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Tempoecorto
07-22-16, 19:15
I agree. Many people I know visiting and expats are suckered into the emotional trap.The emotional "trap" you speak of, is the main constituent of a "girl friend" experience. You can do without it but it is like "wham bam, thank (y) ma'am".
One reason I like the DR (and perhaps places like Colombia or Peru are similar), is that sex is of a superior quality perhaps because of the "emotional" component, based on my decades long experience around the Globe. Quality vs. Quantity! Your choice obviously as to what you want.
SavePros321
07-22-16, 20:42
Man I'm different, in the 5 years I have been going to Sousa, I never fell for those Western Union Hustle Scams, I never understood how guys fall for working girls, you think if she bangs you for $40 that she won't bang another guy while your back in your country.One fun thing to do is to "one-up" them with your faked-fucked up situation:
Chica: "Baby, I need money for food".
You: "I know what you mean. My mother's uncle's great uncle's cousin has a cancerous tumor on the back of his left knee cap that is spreading to his right ass cheek and is in the hospital. It's a very expensive treatment. We are having to help him financially because his dog ate his social security card. Please pray for him."
Man I'm different, in the 5 years I have been going to Sousa, I never fell for those Western Union Hustle Scams, I never understood how guys fall for working girls, you think if she bangs you for $40 that she won't bang another guy while your back in your country.But dig bro. It ain't always about being scammed. A lot of guys may do things without being requested to do so because they may feel good doing it. And enough cats like myself did things back then knowing full well the chicas are fucking other dudes. If a request was made, a dude may be suspicious or know it's BS but decide to consider it an advance until he got there. It may be a Chica he repeats with. That rationale may be an error in judgement and totally unnecessary, but it's not necessarily being scammed. Now for those that rose above that mindset. Try to understand. And see how sharing with others can be helpful to the next guy caught up but senses something's wrong.
Man I'm different, in the 5 years I have been going to Sousa, I never fell for those Western Union Hustle Scams, I never understood how guys fall for working girls, you think if she bangs you for $40 that she won't bang another guy while your back in your country.You never "understood", because you don't uinderstand the game.
There are some guys, mostly European, generally married to some hag, with enough money, that fall in love / lust with a young beautiful girl, and when she tells him she'll be just for him, he buys into it.
He'll send her money every week, buy her a motoconcho, car, and maybe pay rent for an apartment or even buy a condo for her (maybe Momma too) It's not the norm, but it is the scenario a lot of the chicas have seen, and it becomes their dream, while they are still young and fresh enough to pull it off. He's smart enough to have Mr GG's "eyes on the ground" to keep her at home with Momma and the baby (he may have more than one).
It's peanuts to a married businessman from Europe, but it's the world to a chica.
It's doesn't happen with us folks who post here, we want change for a 100 peso note at the bar.
But that is going on as we speak, and it helps you understand the culture.
Mongers only live in a mongering world, but there's lot more going on out there besides mongering.
As some of our noted vets here agree, Sosua is not just for mongers :)
Mr Enternational
07-23-16, 02:00
But dig bro. It ain't always about being scammed. A lot of guys may do things without being requested to do so because they may feel good doing it.I think you are right. I never fully realized that until a couple of months ago when a chick in the Philippines let me see her Whatsapp. One guy said he opened a bank account for her and would bring the ATM card with him next time so he would not have to send money; he could just deposit it for her to take out. (Indian guy). Other guys talked about when they would send money and how much they would send.
This chick said she never asked any of them for shit, but they insisted. She said they want to do it to try to get her to stay out of the street, but she said she is young (18) so she is going to be out anyway. Now she has an engagement ring on (whether it is a real diamond or not who knows) (Black American guy that looks like my twin). I did a threesome with her and her real sister 2 nights ago.
A few years ago when the iPhone 4 came out I remember a chick in Thailand having one. I told her she was very high class. She said she didn't like it and didn't even want the damn phone in the first place, but her boyfriend insisted on buying it. (White Australian guy).
And there is my good buddy who moved from Sosua to Philippines. He is an old retired guy living from check to check. When he got here he got involved with a chick for a few months then the chick died. I wanted him to come visit me in Thailand but he could not because he said he was taking care of his dead girlfriend's daughters. I checked him right there and told him that was not his responsibility. He got all pissy with me about it. The other day he tells me come to find out the chick did not die and he gave away more than $1000 on some bullshit (70+ Black American guy). You know what I said. I told ya. I told ya.
And there are all the guys who buy the chicks in Thailand businesses, houses, condos, cars, and motorbikes every week. That shit knows no race, nor nationality, nor financial boundries. Any guy with a dick will do it.
SavePros321
07-23-16, 02:52
And there are all the guys who buy the chicks in Thailand businesses, houses, condos, cars, and motorbikes every week. That shit knows no race, nor nationality, nor financial boundries. Any guy with a dick will do it.Some guys get off on knowing their girl is fucking other men. There is an entire category on most porn sites for Cuckhold porn.
Some guys get off on knowing their girl is fucking other men. There is an entire category on most porn sites for Cuckhold porn.True, but that isn't the issue for the WU novios. They're the dragon slayer, the white knight, the saviour. In a lot of cases, they are never even seeing the woman. It's only through Skype or Whatsapp. I almost think they believe the only way to get love is to buy it. Many of them, if they find out someone else is sending money to their girl, they'll send larger amounts.
Doesn't make sense to me. If you want to support her, marry her and at least get something out of the arrangement.
If you want to support her, marry her and at least get something out of the arrangement.I'm sorry, but with all due respect, are you out of your fucking mind? What you'll get out of the "arrangement" of marriage is screwed. Plus a lot of the Captain Save A Hos are married which precludes them from marrying the sugar baby.
Ipanema Carioca
07-23-16, 07:54
The emotional "trap" you speak of, is the main constituent of a "girl friend" experience. You can do without it but it is like "wham bam, thank (y) ma'am".
One reason I like the DR (and perhaps places like Colombia or Peru are similar), is that sex is of a superior quality perhaps because of the "emotional" component, based on my decades long experience around the Globe. Quality vs. Quantity! Your choice obviously as to what you want.I feel ya. I'm 57 never married and no kids. When I left home at 18 to explore the world I had a saying, "FFF-Find'them, Fuck'them and Forget'them. " Hence, I have a passport since 20-years old, and I spread my practice world-wide. Thank you very much!
And there is my good buddy who moved from Sosua to Philippines. He is an old retired guy living from check to check. When he got here he got involved with a chick for a few months then the chick died. I wanted him to come visit me in Thailand but he could not because he said he was taking care of his dead girlfriend's daughters. I checked him right there and told him that was not his responsibility. He got all pissy with me about it. The other day he tells me come to find out the chick did not die and he gave away more than $1000 on some bullshit (70+ Black American guy). You know what I said. I told ya. I told ya.Yeah, and I'm pretty sure I know who you are talking about. Ironically though, I think he got a little bit of con / scam artist tendencies himself. He tried to get me to loan him money for some BS. I wasnt even there 24 hrs, when he attempted to hit me up. Later, claimed he had the money in the bank all along, but just did not want to pay the ATM fees. Of course he didn't mind me having to pay ATM fees in order to loan him the money.
Not surprisingly, he claimed the loan was so he could help one of his chicas. I didn't loan him the money and he must have had a problem with that, because I barely saw him the rest of my trip, except one night he made himself available to have a meal that I was treating him to. After that, haven't spoken to him since. And to be honest, I'm not sure I would have got paid back if I did loan him the money. He lives there. It would have been real easy for him to make up an excuse of why he couldn't pay me back. But I eliminated all of that, by not buying into loaning a grown ass man money. Especially under those circumstances.
True, but that isn't the issue for the WU novios. They're the dragon slayer, the white knight, the saviour. In a lot of cases, they are never even seeing the woman. It's only through Skype or Whatsapp. I almost think they believe the only way to get love is to buy it. Many of them, if they find out someone else is sending money to their girl, they'll send larger amounts.
Doesn't make sense to me. If you want to support her, marry her and at least get something out of the arrangement.Wouldn't it be better to just get on a plane from tiime to time to get with the recipient of that support, and "get something" out of it, rather than marry the woman to supposedly "get something" ? IMO it may be cheaper in the long run visiting the recipient, than marrying her just to get the same arrangement.
I'm sorry, but with all due respect, are you out of your fucking mind? What you'll get out of the "arrangement" of marriage is screwed. Plus a lot of the Captain Save A Hos are married which precludes them from marrying the sugar baby.I hear ya. Never married, and never will marry. And would never even entertain the idea. Not even in the DR. Men get screwed here just as bad as other places in the world. In fact, you don't have to marry a woman in the DR to get screwed, just live with her long enough where she may be entitled to shit if you decide to cut her loose.
Wouldn't it be better to just get on a plane from tiime to time to get with the recipient of that support, and "get something" out of it, rather than marry the woman to supposedly "get something" ? IMO it may be cheaper in the long run visiting the recipient, than marrying her just to get the same arrangement.I'm not sure it would be cheaper. If a guy is already sending $1000- $5000/ month, flying back and forth just adds to the expense. He's at least getting something, but just breaking even. It's about supporting and taking care of the girl for these men, not about fucking her. Visiting and staying with her, experiencing the real standard of living, might just cost him more, when he decides she needs air conditioning, new appliances, new furniture, a new house, etc.
I hear ya. Never married, and never will marry. And would never even entertain the idea. Not even in the DR. Men get screwed here just as bad as other places in the world. In fact, you don't have to marry a woman in the DR to get screwed, just live with her long enough where she may be entitled to shit if you decide to cut her loose.Keep in mind we're talking about guys who believe in fairy tales. They believe, month after month, the sick kid, mother, uncle stories. They believe "por favor Papi" and "solo para ti. " They believe in happily ever after. Marrying their WU novia means they will most likely get screwed, but there are some benefits.
First, she's stuck with him until she meets the local residency requirements, so she'll be on good behavior for awhile. Plus she'll be experiencing culture shock. Next, it should reduce the amount being sent to whatever country she's from (depending on the sick mother, sister, uncle situation). He will probably end up spending the same or less.
Most importantly, he gets an education. Once the fairy tale ends, it's unlikely that he will fall into the same trap again. Otherwise, he'll support her until she gets married (or longer if she marries a Dominican), then he'll support her daughter, niece, cousin or whoever is next in line to play "fleece the gringo. ".
And just maybe they'll live happily ever after, but I don't believe in fairy tales.
I'm not sure it would be cheaper. If a guy is already sending $1000- $5000/ month, flying back and forth just adds to the expense. He's at least getting something, but just breaking even. It's about supporting and taking care of the girl for these men, not about fucking her. Visiting and staying with her, experiencing the real standard of living, might just cost him more, when he decides she needs air conditioning, new appliances, new furniture, a new house, etc.Ok. You arent sure it would be cheaper if the guy is flying back and forth, it just adds to the expense. So you must be under the assumption that marrying a chick in the DR is a better option? I don't think so.
Could you explain this please?
Because in my mind, once you marry a chick you may end up having to pay more. Now you have a legal liability on your hands. You may even have more of her family members to support , and acquire enough assets ( while married to her ) that she may have access to legally. In the short and long run. A guy only sending money, decides he no longer desires to support some chick, he can easily walk away. He's done paying. NOT necessarily so if he marries the woman. IMO the financial and legal hell a man may go through trying to divorce a chick would be more costly than if he had just stuck to flying back and forth a few times a year.
You claim some of these men arent about fucking them. Please explain then why those men would marry them, and what do they supposedly gain by marrying them, if they aint fucking them? Thats the part of your position that's unclear to me.
Ipanema Carioca
07-23-16, 17:56
Because in my mind, once you marry a chick you may end up having to pay more.You don't never marry a broke female from a broke family, even if she's a martian. Why do that in the DR or any where. Gaining debt and family of liabilities is foolish. In America and Western culture they brainwash men to carry the burden. The key word here is "burden. ".
Ok. You arent sure it would be cheaper if the guy is flying back and forth, it just adds to the expense. So you must be under the assumption that marrying a chick in the DR is a better option? I don't think so.
Could you explain this please?There is no "better" option. Once you're supporting a stranger in a third world country, the only option is to stop supporting a stranger in a third world country. Marrying a chick in the DR isn't a good option, just like the doctor telling you he has to cut off your balls or you will die, is not a good option. It will completely fuck up your life, but it may cure the other problem.
Because in my mind, once you marry a chick you may end up having to pay more. Now you have a legal liability on your hands. You may even have more of her family members to support , and acquire enough assets ( while married to her ) that she may have access to legally. In the short and long run. A guy only sending money, decides he no longer desires to support some chick, he can easily walk away. He's done paying. NOT necessarily so if he marries the woman. IMO the financial and legal hell a man may go through trying to divorce a chick would be more costly than if he had just stuck to flying back and forth a few times a year. You're absolutely right, but I'm guessing you're not the sort of person who would send money every month, for years, unless there was frequent and very big payoffs. Something along the lines of getting a virgin on her 18th birthday every month. That's what I'm holding out for.
You claim some of these men arent about fucking them. Please explain then why those men would marry them, and what do they supposedly gain by marrying them, if they aint fucking them? Thats the part of your position that's unclear to me.It's unclear to me too, because I can't understand running down to Western Union every time a Chica sends a "Papi please" message. I can't relate to the guy spending $100 k US on a woman he has never met, but there are plenty who do it. Often they bankrupt themselves doing it.
It gets complicated, but let's do the math. For this example we'll use someone I know of, who spends about $8000 US / month on a foreign girl, that's cash and gifts. He's never met her, she has 1 sister, a mother and no kids. The mother works, the sister is in college. He's been spending that amount on her for about 2 1/2 years, roughly $240,000 US total.
Assuming she doesn't marry, or tell him to stop sending her money, she's probably good for another 5-10 years, meaning he will have spent between $0. 75- $1. 25 Million US, without ever so much as kissing her on the cheek. Why? At this point in my life, I'm not taking a woman out to dinner twice if there's no payoff, yet this guy and many others are throwing money.
Because being the provider is the biggest part of their fantasy. In their world, they've taken the little beggar girl and made her a princess. It's Pretty Woman, turning a hooker into a debutante. All most of us are interested in doing is turning a hooker into a hooker with a salty taste in her mouth.
He could fly down several times a year and get laid, but keep in mind, 30 months and $240 k in, sex hasn't been a priority. If he visits, will it spoil his fantasy?
Absolutely marrying her would be a mistake and it would be an expensive mistake, but how expensive? Would it cost more than what he will spend on fantasy girls over the next 20 years? Why would he marry her? It's the final scene in all the fairy tales.
None of this makes sense in the real world, but if you're living in the real world you don't spend enough to support 20 third world families on a woman you've never met. You're trying to force a rational outcome on a series of irrational acts.
None of this is a good thing. None of us are saving anyone. The money we spend getting a nut does at least as much harm as good, same with the money spent by the WU warriors. Most of us enjoy the moments and try not to think about the rest. The people I've been talking about are the ones who honestly believe they are saving someone, they are making the world a better place. Maybe if a few of them went through nasty expensive divorces from the sweet, innocent leeches, they will wake up and realize, it's not about saving the world. It's not about making a difference.
It's just about getting a good fucking for a fair price.
ForceSteeler
07-23-16, 23:18
There is no "better" option. Once you're supporting a stranger in a third world country, the only option is to stop supporting a stranger in a third world country. Marrying a chick in the DR isn't a good option, just like the doctor telling you he has to cut off your balls or you will die, is not a good option. It will completely fuck up your life, but it may cure the other problem.
You're absolutely right, but I'm guessing you're not the sort of person who would send money every month, for years, unless there was frequent and very big payoffs. Something along the lines of getting a virgin on her 18th birthday every month. That's what I'm holding out for.
It's unclear to me too, because I can't understand running down to Western Union every time a Chica sends a "Papi please" message. I can't relate to the guy spending $100 k US on a woman he has never met, but there are plenty who do it. Often they bankrupt themselves doing it.I think its pointless and ridiculous to send western union money to girls that live thousands of miles away in countries like DR. A lot of mongers don't understand that if you want to be a sugar daddy, There are plenty of hot young girls that have student loans and have all kind of bills in the United States. If your going to send $200-$300 a month to DR, You can take that money and spend it on a typical hot 18-19 Year old College Student in the USA. At least you will get the pussy every week and don't have to wait months and use Whatsapp and Skype. I know young girls right now on Instagram, that are fucking dudes for the new pair of Jordan or a new designer bag. So if your going to throw money in the garbage, you can be a sugar daddy's, there plenty of hot girls that want one. No need to spend your hard earn money on a chick from a 3rd World Country, flying to places like DR should be for married guys or guys that are sport fuckers, Never try to have no serious long distance relationship, even if the girl is not a prostitute. Long distance relationships never work.
Mr Enternational
07-23-16, 23:54
You don't never marry a broke female from a broke family, even if she's a martian. Why do that in the DR or any where. Gaining debt and family of liabilities is foolish. In America and Western culture they brainwash men to carry the burden. The key word here is "burden. ".Whenever a chick asks me why I am not married or why I do not want to get married, I pose this question to them. What would it benefit me to get married? I have money, I have a house, I have a car, I have a kid who is an adult, I know how to cook and clean and I don't have any bills. As of yet nobody has even attempted to answer the question. They are usually just like yeah you are right. No reason for you to get married.
Marriage is for young people who don't have shit and still believe in the fairy tale of building something and having a family together. I am well past that stage. In any type of relationship each person should be getting benefits from it. I don't consider pussy any special type of benefit because I can get that anywhere and anytime. Like you are getting at, don't get into a relationship to have more of a burden than you would have had you not entered into one. And marrying a broke female from a broke family is doing exactly that.
Mr Enternational
07-24-16, 00:02
It's unclear to me too, because I can't understand running down to Western Union every time a Chica sends a "Papi please" message. I can't relate to the guy spending $100 k US on a woman he has never met, but there are plenty who do it. Often they bankrupt themselves doing it.
It gets complicated, but let's do the math. For this example we'll use someone I know of, who spends about $8000 US / month on a foreign girl, that's cash and gifts. He's never met her, she has 1 sister, a mother and no kids. The mother works, the sister is in college. He's been spending that amount on her for about 2 1/2 years, roughly $240,000 US total.He is going to shit bricks when he finds out this chick is really a dude. Why wouldn't he just take some of that money to at least go meet the person he is sending all this money to?
With Classicos open 2 nights a week what happens the rest of the week. There is no draw in town now. Everyone will become weekend warriors. Guys will be making decisions on whether there is enough to do. I enjoyed my self without the late night activity. I think sosua can still work but everyone is going have a new mode of operation. The girls are there we just need a place to go to meet them. Rumor has it Rumbas will open in a week. This could be the key to non weekend fun. The sad thing is that the city elders will fail to accomplish their goal of making the city less torrid for natives. If they had pushed back the opening times of bars everyone could win. A sun down opening could have been a win win.
With Classicos open 2 nights a week what happens the rest of the week. There is no draw in town now. Everyone will become weekend warriors. Guys will be making decisions on whether there is enough to do. I enjoyed my self without the late night activity. I think sosua can still work but everyone is going have a new mode of operation. The girls are there we just need a place to go to meet them. Rumor has it Rumbas will open in a week. This could be the key to non weekend fun. The sad thing is that the city elders will fail to accomplish their goal of making the city less torrid for natives. If they had pushed back the opening times of bars everyone could win. A sun down opening could have been a win win.Adjustments are ongoing. I just chatted with a prominent member from this board and guys are distancing themselves from the week warriors and making moves. Even as I sit here now writing from the Piano bar on the strip in Boca Chica its twice the number of brothers here as last weekend.
I feel sorry for the dudes who visited last year and have been hyping their boys for a year to save up and take a trip. They will be a hyped on the Wednesday plane ride then get to Sosua and see women pushing strollers and fat girls LOL. They are going to be pissed.
I won't call everyone who believes in a motivation to clean up the town a fool since the truth is on a completely another level. The motives are different and do not originate from the North Coast. This clean up show is going to pass like the previous ones in due order and the forces behind it are also going to pass.
Just found out that someone murdered the Gay guy who sells panties around Sosua. For us that knew him we called him Pantyman. Always had a smile and was diligent about his hustle. I spent quite a bit of money over the years buying panties for my chicas. He was strangled in an apartment in Puerto Plata. He will be missed. Sad8.
With Classicos open 2 nights a week what happens the rest of the week. There is no draw in town now. Everyone will become weekend warriors. Guys will be making decisions on whether there is enough to do. I enjoyed my self without the late night activity. I think sosua can still work but everyone is going have a new mode of operation. The girls are there we just need a place to go to meet them. Rumor has it Rumbas will open in a week. This could be the key to non weekend fun. The sad thing is that the city elders will fail to accomplish their goal of making the city less torrid for natives. If they had pushed back the opening times of bars everyone could win. A sun down opening could have been a win win.Classico is open every night. The problem are the closing times Sun to Thursday closed at midnight. Lights on at 11:45.
Friday and Saturday open til 2 am.
Doesn't make sense to me. If you want to support her, marry her and at least get something out of the arrangement.I just want to know what is the something he is supposedly getting out of the arrangement, that you were referring to? You made the above statement to presuppose that if a guy chose to support the woman, marrying her would allow him to get something out of that arrangement. It can't be that complicated to give examples of that? What I mean is, if a guy was to come to the same conclusion that marrying her would result in getting something out of it, the guy should know what that is.
I'm not talking about what you or me might think he will learn as a lesson. Nor do we need to go over the cost to benefit ratio. I'm talking about whatever "get something out of the arrangement" is that you were alluding to by marrying the woman. I realize you may not want to quantify one situation as being better than the other, but you presupposed it when you said he should at least get something out of the arrangement. As opposed to sending money and not getting anything out of it. To put it another way, what is he not getting by sending her money, and what is he getting (or could get) by marrying her instead?
Whenever a chick asks me why I am not married or why I do not want to get married, I pose this question to them. What would it benefit me to get married? I have money, I have a house, I have a car, I have a kid who is an adult, I know how to cook and clean and I don't have any bills. As of yet nobody has even attempted to answer the question. They are usually just like yeah you are right. No reason for you to get married.Trying to get somebody to explain the benefits of legal marriage, is like pulling teeth. And often individuals talk as if marriage has benefits, but when you ask them what they are, they can't or won't tell you. Most of their examples, are not exclusive to married individuals / couples. Living together or alone, un married individuals can and do just about everything married folks do.
A lot of mongers don't understand that if you want to be a sugar daddy, There are plenty of hot young girls that have student loans and have all kind of bills in the United States. If your going to send $200-$300 a month to DR, You can take that money and spend it on a typical hot 18-19 Year old College Student in the USA. At least you will get the pussy every week and don't have to wait months and use Whatsapp and Skype. I know young girls right now on Instagram, that are fucking dudes for the new pair of Jordan or a new designer bag. So if your going to throw money in the garbage, you can be a sugar daddy's, there plenty of hot girls that want one. .You really ought to repost this on the USA board, along with more details about the best college towns to visit, as this fact seems to be little known. I imagine thousands of men from Europe might want to visit the US if they knew how easy this was. They could probably fly in with fake Jordans and designer bags and have these teenage girls totally at their disposal for pocket change. Or even buy the real thing--still a bargain. Also you could explain how you found these girls on Instagram and how they told you they were fucking dudes for a new pair of Jordan's. That in itself would be an interesting story.
Last Monday and Tuesday, it seemed rather slow on the strip. We all know why. But this past Wednesday and up to now, I lot of guys have rolled into town. Many walking around in groups of 2 to 6. More chicas have arrived, and started filling up the local hotels / rooms where they stay. I recall last Thurs, about 5 chicas stepping out of a van and all going down that corridor next to the little liquor store near Rumba on PC. Whatever bar / restaurant that is available, this is where many chicas are setting up shop. The rest are on patrol walking around looking for clients, and trying to avoid police. We will see what happens Monday and Tuesday coming up. How many chicas and mongers leave town. And a new set for the up coming weekend.
Friday Classicos was packed, I'm told. I imagine last night it was too. Along with Merengue being the staging area for enough chicas to hang out until heading up, or seeking refuge from the crowd in Classico. I was thinking. About how locals tend to behave when ever there is some kind of commotion, accident, or excitement going down. They don't run from it, they run towards it. It's like they are addicted to drama. And so I thought. Maybe all of this hoopla over trying to clean up the town isn't going to drive chicas away. Instead it may draw them towards Sosua. Because of the excitement from all of this supposed crackdown. Many may be hyped about all of this drama, and consider it a challenge to come to Sosua. The risk of being caught out in the street, having to sneak around. Perhaps seeing this as an opportunity to score heavily on their potential clients. Perhaps thinking a guy might pay $100 or more if he thinks his paradise will vanish if he doesn't pay a premium to preserve it.
Besides, what's the penalty fora chica getting caught? Having to suck the colonels dick? Pay 500 to 1500 pesos and get out of jail? Are any of these women concerned about having an arrest record? Of course not. They are usually back on the street within the hour or next day. And if anybody is paying attention, the police are selective in who they grab anyway. The more nicer looking chicas, or well connected with the police, they don't get touched.
The chicas that get picked on the most, are Haitian chicas, and then the hoodrat / average looking chicas. Especially newbies that just came on the scene. It's not likely you'll see a 8,9 or 10 veteran looking chica, or one that looks and carries herself well being picked up. These chicas know how to play the game though. They act like they are afraid to walk down the street unescorted. But I believe that is just an act. They already know they won't be touched. A couple of chicas come to mind. These women have cars, and park right on PC. Out of respect for the Politur, they will move out of the way, so it looks like the police arent playing favorites.
My main point as far as chicas are concerned; the arrests do not amount to anything. Chica gets arrested, so what? There is no threat to a chica other than her being taken out of play for a little while. It would be a win/win if the arrests or threat of arrest resulted in more chicas being open to what many of us may consider fair compensation for services. Or for those who prefer TLN, enjoy it with a willing chica not expecting a windfall.
Trying to get somebody to explain the benefits of legal marriage, is like pulling teeth. And often individuals talk as if marriage has benefits, but when you ask them what they are, they can't or won't tell you. Most of their examples, are not exclusive to married individuals / couples. Living together or alone, un married individuals can and do just about everything married folks do.You should see the movie Green Card. Also in the US and other countries marital status often affects things like health insurance status, tax status, deductions for children, social security benefits can be doubled if there are children under the age of 18, automobile insurance, and so on. If the wife is stay-at-home the husband can more than double his tax deduction for federal and state income taxes. Additionally, in the US, if you wanted to hire a live-in housekeeper, you would have to pay minimum wage, overtime, social security employers contributions, and so on. As a wife, the woman would not be subject to any of those things.
So, for example, while a live-in nanny is easily affordable in the DR, much less so in the US.
Marriage also affects the citizenship of children. For example if a US man has a child with a Dominican woman, if they are married the child will be able to qualify for automatic US citizenship (and run for president). If the couple are not married, the children may still be able to obtain US status, but it is a more complex process, making it harder to get Social Security numbers for the child, and the non wife will not qualify for joint tax filing.
If the wife obtains an immigrant visa to the US via her married status, then her minor children can also get the same thing and obtain Green Cards and Social Security numbers, attend school for free in the US, and so on.
So there are some differences, but the advantages of marriage are obviously greatly reduced if there are no children or step children involved.
I just want to know what is the something he is supposedly getting out of the arrangement, that you were referring to? You made the above statement to presuppose that if a guy chose to support the woman, marrying her would allow him to get something out of that arrangement. It can't be that complicated to give examples of that? What I mean is, if a guy was to come to the same conclusion that marrying her would result in getting something out of it, the guy should know what that is.
I'm not talking about what you or me might think he will learn as a lesson. Nor do we need to go over the cost to benefit ratio. I'm talking about whatever "get something out of the arrangement" is that you were alluding to by marrying the woman. I realize you may not want to quantify one situation as being better than the other, but you presupposed it when you said he should at least get something out of the arrangement. As opposed to sending money and not getting anything out of it. To put it another way, what is he not getting by sending her money, and what is he getting (or could get) by marrying her instead?If I've already explained it at least 3 times and you either failed to read, or failed to understand, do you think that a fourth attempt will be any more successful?
Last try.
1. Some of the men, specifically the ones spending a lot of money (by US cost of living standards) on girls in foreign countries, without ever visiting, have an over-romanticized view of the supporter / supportee relationship.
2. The main benefit they receive is a pleasure from being the savior, the white knight, the fairy tale Prince.
3. In regards to the relationship, they are living in a fairy tale. In the real world, nobody believes a woman they've never met is going to remain pure and faithful.
4. In fairy tales involving a man and a woman, the ending is always, they get married and live happily ever after. In the US (and probably much of the world) marriage is considered by many to be the ultimate act of support. This is a widely held subjective belief, not an objective fact.
So:
Man considers himself fairy tale Prince.
Man considers girl fairy tale Princess.
Man enjoys act of supporting Princess.
Marriage is top level of support.
Therefore.
Marriage to Princess = win the game.
Marriage to Princess = happy ending.
Marriage to Princess = fairy tale comes true.
Because in the fairy tales, the Prince doesn't go fuck the Princess every 2 or 3 months. He doesn't get a BBBJ followed by CFS with MISH, RCG and Doggy and finishing with COF. He rescues the Princess, takes her to his castle, marries her and they live happily ever after.
As I'm getting tired of saying, none of these are benefits in the real world. Marriage does not equal happily ever after. All of this only works if you are living in this particular fairy tale. The Prince can't go fuck the Princess, it ruins the fairy tale. He has to follow the script and marry her first.
Do you you finally understand? I've been discussing a fantasy benefit for a deluded person in a make-believe relationship. There's no real world connection, no magic wand, no fairy godmother.
In the real world you don't send $1000's every month to a stranger, you don't pay for medicine for her sick mother, kid or goat, you don't carry on a multi-year long distance relationship with no physical component and you don't marry a puta. In the real world, the only benefits to marriage are subjective and personal to the people who are getting married.
It's like anal sex: some people think it's great, but mostly it's just a pain in the ass.
You should see the movie Green Card. Also in the US and other countries marital status often affects things like health insurance status, tax status, deductions for children, social security benefits can be doubled if there are children under the age of 18, automobile insurance, and so on. If the wife is stay-at-home the husband can more than double his tax deduction for federal and state income taxes. Additionally, in the US, if you wanted to hire a live-in housekeeper, you would have to pay minimum wage, overtime, social security employers contributions, and so on. As a wife, the woman would not be subject to any of those things.
So, for example, while a live-in nanny is easily affordable in the DR, much less so in the US.
Marriage also affects the citizenship of children. For example if a US man has a child with a Dominican woman, if they are married the child will be able to qualify for automatic US citizenship (and run for president). If the couple are not married, the children may still be able to obtain US status, but it is a more complex process, making it harder to get Social Security numbers for the child, and the non wife will not qualify for joint tax filing.
If the wife obtains an immigrant visa to the US via her married status, then her minor children can also get the same thing and obtain Green Cards and Social Security numbers, attend school for free in the US, and so on.
So there are some differences, but the advantages of marriage are obviously greatly reduced if there are no children or step children involved.Really Frannie? Now explain to me the tax or other benefits and deductions for that same individual who is now divorcing? After you put things in their proper perspective, those things you mentioned were never benefits of marriage. They were incentives designed to fool some sap into signing up into a system to get fucked. The things you mentioned are things that makes an individual not thinking straight believe he is actually going to get something by being married. What you get is the reverse mortgage effect of marriage deal. Enjoy some now, and pay dearly later plan. In the long run, marriage does not IMO pan out as a benefit that supercedes the comfort zone of being unmarried.
I think its pointless and ridiculous to send western union money to girls that live thousands of miles away in countries like DR. A lot of mongers don't understand that if you want to be a sugar daddy, There are plenty of hot young girls that have student loans and have all kind of bills in the United States. If your going to send $200-$300 a month to DR, You can take that money and spend it on a typical hot 18-19 Year old College Student in the USA. At least you will get the pussy every week and don't have to wait months and use Whatsapp and Skype. I know young girls right now on Instagram, that are fucking dudes for the new pair of Jordan or a new designer bag. So if your going to throw money in the garbage, you can be a sugar daddy's, there plenty of hot girls that want one. No need to spend your hard earn money on a chick from a 3rd World Country, flying to places like DR should be for married guys or guys that are sport fuckers, Never try to have no serious long distance relationship, even if the girl is not a prostitute. Long distance relationships never work.It is not easy being a sugar daddy here in USA. $2-300 a month will not cut it. I know a guy who had a college cutie he takes out on vacations in spite of being married. He buys her lots of things including a car.
Firstly it is very hard to connect. Even craigslist is monitored. Escorts are legal with no negotiating for other services. For any reason the girl is not satisfied she can create lots of problems for you. In other words you opening yourselves to unnecessary worries chasing a pussy.
In many countries prostitution is legal or tolerated. It is cheaper and safer. Like anything else you need to know the game and definitely a hot looking GF waiting for you at airport is a plus. If her demands are limited and your budget allows it you can help out to keep her. This only applies if you make frequent trips and do not want to go looking for new pussy. Many people do not like the chase. That is why they go to black beards resort where everything is right there.
If I've already explained it at least 3 times and you either failed to read, or failed to understand, do you think that a fourth attempt will be any more successful?
Last try.
1. Some of the men, specifically the ones spending a lot of money (by US cost of living standards) on girls in foreign countries, without ever visiting, have an over-romanticized view of the supporter / supportee relationship.
2. The main benefit they receive is a pleasure from being the savior, the white knight, the fairy tale Prince.
3. In regards to the relationship, they are living in a fairy tale. In the real world, nobody believes a woman they've never met is going to remain pure and faithful.
4. In fairy tales involving a man and a woman, the ending is always, they get married and live happily ever after. In the US (and probably much of the world) marriage is considered by many to be the ultimate act of support. This is a widely held subjective belief, not an objective fact.
So:
Man considers himself fairy tale Prince.
Man considers girl fairy tale Princess.
Man enjoys act of supporting Princess.
Marriage is top level of support.
Therefore.
Marriage to Princess = win the game.
Marriage to Princess = happy ending.
Marriage to Princess = fairy tale comes true.
Because in the fairy tales, the Prince doesn't go fuck the Princess every 2 or 3 months. He doesn't get a BBBJ followed by CFS with MISH, RCG and Doggy and finishing with COF. He rescues the Princess, takes her to his castle, marries her and they live happily ever after.
As I'm getting tired of saying, none of these are benefits in the real world. Marriage does not equal happily ever after. All of this only works if you are living in this particular fairy tale. The Prince can't go fuck the Princess, it ruins the fairy tale. He has to follow the script and marry her first.
Do you you finally understand? I've been discussing a fantasy benefit for a deluded person in a make-believe relationship. There's no real world connection, no magic wand, no fairy godmother.
In the real world you don't send $1000's every month to a stranger, you don't pay for medicine for her sick mother, kid or goat, you don't carry on a multi-year long distance relationship with no physical component and you don't marry a puta. In the real world, the only benefits to marriage are subjective and personal to the people who are getting married.
It's like anal sex: some people think it's great, but mostly it's just a pain in the ass.The reason why I didn't get it, is because it doesn't make sense. In essence everything you posted about the mindset of an individual sending money is coming from you, and your opinion of what YOU think is in THEIR heads, not necessarily their reality. And if you know my saying, I always say. YOU CAN ONLY THINK IN ONE HEAD.
1st off, each individual sending money may have reasons you or I have not factored into the equation. The fact that you admit that you do not understand their alleged mindset speaks volumes. If you do not understand it, how can you be so sure of another mans motivation for sending money or his connection to the female? A few personal examples you know does not make it generally the case for every or most men sending money. Moreover, not all men are sending large amounts like what you described. Suppose a guy is only sending $50 a month? Jumping on a plane every now and then to visit the recipient of his generosity is an expense that seems reasonable. Much more reasonable than getting married just to fulfill some fantasy. What if the guy is already married? Hows he supposed to fulfill his fantasy then?
All in all, regardless of the explanation, it still doesn't make sense to get married if all one is getting is his supposed fantasy fulfilled. Shit instead of getting married, he can fantasize about being married, being a white knight and all the rest and just send what he wants and don't marry the woman. Pay until he feels like stopping and walk away. When he walks away, THEN he will get something out of that arrangement. RELIEF.
It's one thing to give our opinions on cost vs benefit when talking about marriage. But it is a totally different thing to attempt to project or give our opinions of what other people are supposedly thinking and their motivation, and how we think they may be fulfilled psychologically.
Really Frannie? Now explain to me the tax or other benefits and deductions for that same individual who is now divorcing? After you put things in their proper perspective, those things you mentioned were never benefits of marriage. They were incentives designed to fool some sap into signing up into a system to get fucked. The things you mentioned are things that makes an individual not thinking straight believe he is actually going to get something by being married. What you get is the reverse mortgage effect of marriage deal. Enjoy some now, and pay dearly later plan. In the long run, marriage does not IMO pan out as a benefit that supercedes the comfort zone of being unmarried.Well, you are going off on a tangent now. Originally you were saying you were unable to obtain any information on what the benefits of marriage might be. Now you are talking about the benefits of divorce, which is a whole new subject. Divorce is painful and expensive, especially when there are children involved. No one denies that.
The union of husband and wife in heart, body, and mind is
intended by God for their mutual joy; for the help and comfort
given one another in prosperity and adversity; and, when it is
Gods will, for the procreation of children and their nurture
in the knowledge and love of the Lord. Therefore marriage is
not to be entered into unadvisedly or lightly, but reverently,
deliberately, and in accordance with the purposes for which it
was instituted by God.
The reason why I didn't get it, is because it doesn't make sense. Welcome to our planet, Dr. Spock. I am afraid that you will find little that makes sense. For example, why do rich men pay millions of dollars for paintings by dead men when photography has superceded painting? Why do people pay $500 per night for hotel rooms that have water views, especially when the waters may contain alligators that might kill their pets or children.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh3Kk5tZSmo
Well, you are going off on a tangent now. Originally you were saying you were unable to obtain any information on what the benefits of marriage might be. Now you are talking about the benefits of divorce, which is a whole new subject. Divorce is painful and expensive, especially when there are children involved. No one denies that.
The union of husband and wife in heart, body, and mind is
intended by God for their mutual joy; for the help and comfort
given one another in prosperity and adversity; and, when it is
Gods will, for the procreation of children and their nurture
in the knowledge and love of the Lord. Therefore marriage is
not to be entered into unadvisedly or lightly, but reverently,
deliberately, and in accordance with the purposes for which it
was instituted by God. Okay you gave some examples deemed to be benefits. So what? I'm saying those "benefits" are not reason or incentive enough to get married. Because if one gets married, they also have to factor in what can happen if that marriage should fail. You can call it going off on a tangent if that is what suits you. But a reasonable person along with those having an intelligent convo/debate are not going to focus only on one aspect of marriage and totally ignore the cons. If you do not like the idea of talking about divorce in conjunction with marriage, so be it. Thats not my problem.
For example, why do rich men pay millions of dollars for paintings by dead men when photography has superceded painting? Why do people pay $500 per night for hotel rooms that have water views, especially when the waters may contain alligators that might kill their pets or children.
And don't forget. Why are men marrying women living in the DR just to complete or fulfill some alleged fantasy, rather than just go to visit them and absorb the expense? I got it Frannie. Kinda reminds me of some of your twisted logic and distortions that I point out from time to time.
Okay you gave some examples deemed to be benefits. So what? I'm saying those "benefits" are not reason or incentive enough to get married. Because if one gets married, they also have to factor in what can happen if that marriage should fail. You can call it going off on a tangent if that is what suits you. But a reasonable person along with those having an intelligent convo/debate are not going to focus only on one aspect of marriage and totally ignore the cons. If you do not like the idea of talking about divorce in conjunction with marriage, so be it. Thats not my problem.But you were saying that no one would give you any information about the benefits of marriage. I explained some. Obviously the benefits of marriage pertain to various finance, taxation, and legal aspects, particularly with regard to children and also with respect to citizenship rights.
But as the quotation from the Book of Common Prayer indicates, marriage is not something to be entered into lightly. You certainly don't want to enter into a marriage and have children with divorce in mind.
Yes, you are right that combining two families where one family is needy is likely to lead to problems.
If the wife is stay-at-home the husband can more than double his tax deduction for federal and state income taxes More than double? Explain. Also, if the woman is not married to the gringo, and the kid is born outside the US, it's not all that difficult to obtain US citizenship for the little bastard. Mostly you have to have a binding agreement in place to support the bastard until age 18. A friend of mine just did this. He is 58 and when he turns 62 all the rest of we US taxpayers will be supporting the little sprout.
More than double? Explain. Also, if the woman is not married to the gringo, and the kid is born outside the US, it's not all that difficult to obtain US citizenship for the little bastard. Mostly you have to have a binding agreement in place to support the bastard until age 18. A friend of mine just did this. He is 58 and when he turns 62 all the rest of we US taxpayers will be supporting the little sprout.Married filing jointly standard deduction, plus personal allowance for the wife is more than double the single standard deduction.
But you were saying that no one would give you any information about the benefits of marriage. I explained some. Obviously the benefits of marriage pertain to various finance, taxation, and legal aspects, particularly with regard to children and also with respect to citizenship rights.
But as the quotation from the Book of Common Prayer indicates, marriage is not something to be entered into lightly. You certainly don't want to enter into a marriage and have children with divorce in mind.
Yes, you are right that combining two families where one family is needy is likely to lead to problems.I don't know why you make me have to mush shit in your face.
Trying to get somebody to explain the benefits of legal marriage, is like pulling teeth. And often individuals talk as if marriage has benefits, but when you ask them what they are, they can't or won't tell you. Most of their examples, are not exclusive to married individuals / couples. Living together or alone, un married individuals can and do just about everything married folks do.I did not say anything about no one would give me information about the benefits of marriage. I talked about individuals, not everyone or no one. I did not say no one. I also said living together or alone unmarried individuals can and do just about everything married folks do. Did you grasp that Frannie? By saying that, I already presupposed that marriage has benefits. And I am aware of some of the things you claimed. But that wasnt my focus. My focus was in accord with who I was responding to, MR E, who was talking about the benefits of being single in contrast to marriage.
Now what you provided don't mean a hill o beans to individuals where non of that applies or will apply. You just decided to do what a Frannie does.
It is not easy being a sugar daddy here in USA. $2-300 a month will not cut it. I know a guy who had a college cutie he takes out on vacations in spite of being married. He buys her lots of things including a car.
Firstly it is very hard to connect. Even craigslist is monitored. Escorts are legal with no negotiating for other services. For any reason the girl is not satisfied she can create lots of problems for you. In other words you opening yourselves to unnecessary worries chasing a pussy.
In many countries prostitution is legal or tolerated. It is cheaper and safer. Like anything else you need to know the game and definitely a hot looking GF waiting for you at airport is a plus. If her demands are limited and your budget allows it you can help out to keep her. This only applies if you make frequent trips and do not want to go looking for new pussy. Many people do not like the chase. That is why they go to black beards resort where everything is right there.Right on Sammon.
I can tell you, you can get that type of "sugar daddy" relationship, and I had it for a couple of years with a young and very beautiful and willing student, which kept me away from Sosua for a couple years. She wasn't on the clock, but didn't come cheap. She expected the perks of a regular North American GF, including my time, "What are you doing, can I come over?", Wanna watch a movie?".
For me, you can't beat Sosua and the abundance of hot smokin' and affordable chicas with absolutely NO strings attached.
That's the deal maker for me, being able to look them over from a distance then make my choice.
Can't do that where I live.
ForceSteeler
07-24-16, 16:44
It is not easy being a sugar daddy here in USA. $2-300 a month will not cut it. I know a guy who had a college cutie he takes out on vacations in spite of being married. He buys her lots of things including a car.
Firstly it is very hard to connect. Even craigslist is monitored. Escorts are legal with no negotiating for other services. For any reason the girl is not satisfied she can create lots of problems for you. In other words you opening yourselves to unnecessary worries chasing a pussy.
In many countries prostitution is legal or tolerated. It is cheaper and safer. Like anything else you need to know the game and definitely a hot looking GF waiting for you at airport is a plus. If her demands are limited and your budget allows it you can help out to keep her. This only applies if you make frequent trips and do not want to go looking for new pussy. Many people do not like the chase. That is why they go to black beards resort where everything is right there.Its not that hard being a sugar daddy for your typical 18-19 Years old female. Most of them just want somebody to take care of there Rent, maybe buy them a few luxury items like bags, clothes, and sneakers, You don't need to buy cars, homes or vacations that's a little bit extreme.
The Point being is that I see too many western union suckers that send hundreds of dollars a month to these Dominician Chicas and maybe visit DR 1 or maybe 2 times a year and they live in a fantasy world were they think these girls are there girlfriends. Trust me I know, sometimes when I'm in bed with some of these chicas, I see there whatsapp messages, "Talking about Papi, I'm so bored,. I Miss you, I love you", after I just finish blowing there back out, and they usually string along 3 or 4 another gringos in Whatapp and tell them the same lines.
Also in the US and other countries marital status often affects things like health insurance status, tax status, deductions for children, social security benefits can be doubled if there are children under the age of 18, automobile insurance, and so on..I just thought about another "benefit" of marriage or marital status. In some instances, if that wife has a baby by another man, the husband may be presumed the father of that child despite a paternity test later saying otherwise, and forced to support that child.
Last Monday and Tuesday, it seemed rather slow on the strip. We all know why. But this past Wednesday and up to now, I lot of guys have rolled into town. Many walking around in groups of 2 to 6. More chicas have arrived, and started filling up the local hotels / rooms where they stay. I recall last Thurs, about 5 chicas stepping out of a van and all going down that corridor next to the little liquor store near Rumba on PC. Whatever bar / restaurant that is available, this is where many chicas are setting up shop. The rest are on patrol walking around looking for clients, and trying to avoid police. We will see what happens Monday and Tuesday coming up. How many chicas and mongers leave town. And a new set for the up coming weekend.
Friday Classicos was packed, I'm told. I imagine last night it was too. Along with Merengue being the staging area for enough chicas to hang out until heading up, or seeking refuge from the crowd in Classico. I was thinking. About how locals tend to behave when ever there is some kind of commotion, accident, or excitement going down. They don't run from it, they run towards it. It's like they are addicted to drama. And so I thought. Maybe all of this hoopla over trying to clean up the town isn't going to drive chicas away. Instead it may draw them towards Sosua. Because of the excitement from all of this supposed crackdown. Many may be hyped about all of this drama, and consider it a challenge to come to Sosua. The risk of being caught out in the street, having to sneak around. Perhaps seeing this as an opportunity to score heavily on their potential clients. Perhaps thinking a guy might pay $100 or more if he thinks his paradise will vanish if he doesn't pay a premium to preserve it.
Besides, what's the penalty fora chica getting caught? Having to suck the colonels dick? Pay 500 to 1500 pesos and get out of jail? Are any of these women concerned about having an arrest record? Of course not. They are usually back on the street within the hour or next day. And if anybody is paying attention, the police are selective in who they grab anyway. The more nicer looking chicas, or well connected with the police, they don't get touched.
The chicas that get picked on the most, are Haitian chicas, and then the hoodrat / average looking chicas. Especially newbies that just came on the scene. It's not likely you'll see a 8,9 or 10 veteran looking chica, or one that looks and carries herself well being picked up. These chicas know how to play the game though. They act like they are afraid to walk down the street unescorted. But I believe that is just an act. They already know they won't be touched. A couple of chicas come to mind. These women have cars, and park right on PC. Out of respect for the Politur, they will move out of the way, so it looks like the police arent playing favorites.
My main point as far as chicas are concerned; the arrests do not amount to anything. Chica gets arrested, so what? There is no threat to a chica other than her being taken out of play for a little while. It would be a win/win if the arrests or threat of arrest resulted in more chicas being open to what many of us may consider fair compensation for services. Or for those who prefer TLN, enjoy it with a willing chica not expecting a windfall.Thanks for the helpful report from the ground.
What about the Haitian Embassy, the Bar Central? Are there now more girls?
And what about the bar with a german owner at the D Rosen street in front of Rockys? Are there now more girls than before?
Thanks for the helpful report from the ground.
What about the Haitian Embassy, the Bar Central? Are there now more girls?
And what about the bar with a german owner at the D Rosen street in front of Rockys? Are there now more girls than before?It's hard for me to say there are more Haitianas. Thats because they do not all congregate in one spot or remain stationary. Just suffice to say, there may be 20 to 30 (could be more) that may come everyday to work. In the day, many go to the beach. At night they are in the venues that you mentioned, or on patrol, or already have a client. Not sure when you've been down here, but it seems there are different Haitianas coming to Sosua to work. Same as the Dominicanas.
Quagmire1974
07-24-16, 19:24
They already know they won't be touched. A couple of chicas come to mind. These women have cars, and park right on PC.I remember when I was in Sosua a little over a year ago, I noticed a chica with bolt-ONS and a big, curly Afro with highlights standing at the bar of Rumba each night, acting like she owned the place. In the afternoons, I'd see her cruising Pedro Clisante in her Volkswagen compact with rap music blaring from the opened windows. Always wondered who that chica was.
Married filing jointly standard deduction, plus personal allowance for the wife is more than double the single standard deduction.No. The married number is exactly twice the single number: $12,600 vs. $6,300. And each person gets a personal exemption of $4,050, so married filing jointly can exclude exactly twice of what a single person can. And for two high earners, marriage is penalized because the phaseout kicks in at 120% of the single level ($311,300 vs. $259,400). So I don't know where you got that idea, but it is incorrect.
Now if I had a favorite impoverished hooker, and I only had a year to live, I might marry her so she could collect my SS when she's 60. You only have to be married for nine months.
No. The married number is exactly twice the single number: $12,600 vs. $6,300. And each person gets a personal exemption of $4,050, so married filing jointly can exclude exactly twice of what a single person can. And for two high earners, marriage is penalized because the phaseout kicks in at 120% of the single level ($311,300 vs. $259,400). So I don't know where you got that idea, but it is incorrect.
Now if I had a favorite impoverished hooker, and I only had a year to live, I might marry her so she could collect my SS when she's 60. You only have to be married for nine months.It depends on how you look at it. Standard deduction is $6. 300 per person, but if you are married, you get to deduct an additional $10,350 from your adjusted gross (taxable) income. Now, if your wife is in the DR and not working, or even if she is working, you can deduct all of her allowances from your income, even though she has none. However the amount of money saved is a bit more complicated than that, because it will depend on how much you earn and at what tax bracket you have income. For example a married man with no kids earning $60,000 per year and a non working wife will save about $3000 in taxes, but if he earns $80,000 he will save about $5000 in taxes, because a higher percentage of his taxes as a single man will fall in the top taxation bracket, so the deductions will take more of his income out of the higher rate of taxation, thus saving more money.
This also applies if your wife is in the US and not working. However if she is also working, then, depending on how much she earns, the savings to you will not be as great. And if she is earning more than you, then there will be no tax savings from being married.
Its not that hard being a sugar daddy for your typical 18-19 Years old female. Most of them just want somebody to take care of there Rent, maybe buy them a few luxury items like bags, clothes, and sneakers, You don't need to buy cars, homes or vacations that's a little bit extreme.
The Point being is that I see too many western union suckers that send hundreds of dollars a month to these Dominician Chicas and maybe visit DR 1 or maybe 2 times a year and they live in a fantasy world were they think these girls are there girlfriends. Trust me I know, sometimes when I'm in bed with some of these chicas, I see there whatsapp messages, "Talking about Papi, I'm so bored,. I Miss you, I love you", after I just finish blowing there back out, and they usually string along 3 or 4 another gringos in Whatapp and tell them the same lines.So why do you travel to the DR to get chicas, when you could save so much money by staying home with a string of teenage students on call?
It depends on how you look at it. Standard deduction is $6. 300 per person, but if you are married, you get to deduct an additional $10,350 from your adjusted gross (taxable) income. Now, if your wife is in the DR and not working, or even if she is working, you can deduct all of her allowances from your income, even though she has none. In other words, it's exactly twice as much and not more than twice as much, and you are wrong, so you are bloviating instead of just admitting it.
'An additional $10,350', in addition to the $6,300 + $4,050 = $10,350 the single person can exclude. Sure sounds like twice as much to me, and it does not 'depend on how you look at it.'
ForceSteeler
07-24-16, 22:52
So why do you travel to the DR to get chicas, when you could save so much money by staying home with a string of teenage students on call?If you read my other post, I would recommend traveling to DR for Guys that are married or Guys that are sportfuckers. If your looking to be in a relationship or a Western Union Sucker / SugarDaddy, Its better and is more bang for your buck to throw money on a local chick, At Least you can fuck the pussy every week, Some of these Western Union Suckers send hundreds of dollars a month and sometimes they won't see there chica for maybe 1 or 2 times a year. If you want a so called relationship Its more economically better to do it locally than internationally.
Mr Enternational
07-24-16, 23:22
You really ought to repost this on the USA board, along with more details about the best college towns to visit, as this fact seems to be little known. I imagine thousands of men from Europe might want to visit the US if they knew how easy this was. They could probably fly in with fake Jordans and designer bags and have these teenage girls totally at their disposal for pocket change. Or even buy the real thing--still a bargain. Also you could explain how you found these girls on Instagram and how they told you they were fucking dudes for a new pair of Jordan's. That in itself would be an interesting story.Hell. The same way guys are on Dominican Cupid finding the ones in the DR for P4 P. Go on any dating website. It is harder to miss them than it is to find them.
Tempoecorto
07-25-16, 00:22
Hell. The same way guys are on Dominican Cupid finding the ones in the DR for P4P. Go on any dating website. It is harder to miss them than it is to find them.Really? Actually, I used to travel to Canada, before the advent of the internet dating as it is less sexually repressive (legally speaking) compared to my New England. In any case, if it is so easy, why the New York crowd are being bad mouthed for screwing Sosua up by going there in droves? I mean they would be happy to do it in their ghettos, wouldn't they? Reading others' notes, like a recent one of Old Kool, who wonders about the life of a 60 yr old male in the US of A, I do not see anything that corroborates your statement or the way you make it sound: Easy, peasy. Of course, you in person are an exception- I know you get free pussy everywhere but I am speaking of the average Joe.
I live here. Went to Santiago on Friday morning, got back Friday afternoon about 5:30 pm and there had to be about 10 cops and cesturs looking for chicas. However, they are still being creative in getting in town as Classico and Merengue was full. Still no Rumba. Chicas are now hanging out across the street at Bourbon Street bar.
Nonetheless, the heat is still on and walking the strip is a automatic trip to jail for them.
Mr Enternational
07-25-16, 09:47
In any case, if it is so easy, why the New York crowd are being bad mouthed for screwing Sosua up by going there in droves? I mean they would be happy to do it in their ghettos, wouldn't they? Reading others' notes, like a recent one of Old Kool, who wonders about the life of a 60 yr old male in the US of A, I do not see anything that corroborates your statement or the way you make it sound: Easy, peasy. Of course, you in person are an exception- I know you get free pussy everywhere but I am speaking of the average Joe.You are acting like people can't get laid where they live. What is the big deal with that? You are a man and I am sure there are women where you live. Nature.
Why does the NY crew go to DR? Dude. For fun. Half of the guys are probably in relationships back home anyway so it is not like they are starving for pussy. Why do people from Miami, NY, CA go on vacation to another beach destination? They have beaches right where they live.
Is it only in Atlanta or don't guys in other cities have fuck parties where you invite a bunch a strippers over to someone's house and you can go fuck them in one of the rooms for $40? Even with setups like that people like a change of scenery every now and then.
Then you have to remember different mongers like different kinds of mongering. Some like the free range that Clisante offers. Some like the corral of Blackbeards. Some like the stripper pole bar set up that La Passion had. Some like the hard casas like GBP. Some like street walkers. Some like a disco filled with hookers so they can have the fantasy that they are picking some chick up. Some like to meet chicks online who will accept money for sex. So why guys from the USA NE go to Sosua in droves hve nothing to do with them not being able to find a hole to stick it in back home.
Ask SubCmdr how to meet sugarbabies online. Hell they have an entire website with that exact name. Besides that, go on some other dating sites, facebook, instagram. It is not hard to discern who the chicks are that will go for that type of arrangement. Most of the time they even write it in their profiles. It is not brain surgery.
You are acting like people can't get laid where they live. What is the big deal with that? You are a man and I am sure there are women where you live. Nature.
Why does the NY crew go to DR? Dude. For fun. Half of the guys are probably in relationships back home anyway so it is not like they are starving for pussy. Why do people from Miami, NY, CA go on vacation to another beach destination? They have beaches right where they live.
Is it only in Atlanta or don't guys in other cities have fuck parties where you invite a bunch a strippers over to someone's house and you can go fuck them in one of the rooms for $40? Even with setups like that people like a change of scenery every now and then.
Then you have to remember different mongers like different kinds of mongering. Some like the free range that Clisante offers. Some like the corral of Blackbeards. Some like the stripper pole bar set up that La Passion had. Some like the hard casas like GBP. Some like street walkers. Some like a disco filled with hookers so they can have the fantasy that they are picking some chick up. Some like to meet chicks online who will accept money for sex. So why guys from the USA NE go to Sosua in droves hve nothing to do with them not being able to find a hole to stick it in back home.
Ask SubCmdr how to meet sugarbabies online. Hell they have an entire website with that exact name. Besides that, go on some other dating sites, facebook, instagram. It is not hard to discern who the chicks are that will go for that type of arrangement. Most of the time they even write it in their profiles. It is not brain surgery.Utter baloney. For a start most of the activities you mention would not be legal in the US, like the fuck parties you mention. Secondly, if a lot of the guys who go to Sosua are in relationships, it would be impossible to conceal their absence for multiple days from home, work, child custody arrangements, and so on.
People who live in beach places rarely go to other beach places for vacations. I lived for many years in Bermuda, so I know what I am talking about.
The Sugarbabies Web site is just a front for a prostitution Web site, just as Ashley Madison was, and there are illegal prostitutes on sites like Facebook. Are you really that naive?
Yes, people can get laid where they live, sometimes they can get serial partners, but easily getting 18 and 19 year-old students for $200 or $300 per month pocket money is a total fantasy.
Prostitution is illegal, but parties?
For a start most of the activities you mention would not be legal in the US, like the fuck parties you mention
Really? Actually, I used to travel to Canada, before the advent of the internet dating as it is less sexually repressive (legally speaking) compared to my New England. In any case, if it is so easy, why the New York crowd are being bad mouthed for screwing Sosua up by going there in droves? I mean they would be happy to do it in their ghettos, wouldn't they? Reading others' notes, like a recent one of Old Kool, who wonders about the life of a 60 yr old male in the US of A, I do not see anything that corroborates your statement or the way you make it sound: Easy, peasy. Of course, you in person are an exception- I know you get free pussy everywhere but I am speaking of the average Joe.I'm in Canada. Getting a satisfactory connection by answering a hooker ad in backpage, or going on a "dating" site is hard work. It also takes luck!
The sheer logistics, and time spent arranging, meeting, vetting, no shows, phony photos, smelling bad, finding a spot to do the deed, or finding her spot across town, parking, maybe day time off work and and if you're married, maybe risking your anonymity, not to mention the cost. It's also mostly illegal.
I'ts why guys like to go where they are all reasonably clean, young, good looking, healthy, drug free, and everyone you see is guaranteed to fuck. You can choose to suit your mood, you can do it now or later, they ain't going anywhere, so take your time.
No group of outraged Mothers Against ...... is going to be putting your photo on a "shaming the johns" web site :)
Stress free for the older guy!
And it's hard for a particularly aggressive chick (and/or her chulo) to try to game a guy that can just jump on a plane and disappear!
And no baggage, except maybe a coffee mug! How to get rid of them and move on, is still a part of the equation, remember?
The quality of women that you get in the US for these types of parties is very low. US hookers are very hardcore. Absolutely no GFE. 25 years ago strip club girls at dives were asking 100 plus dollars at dive clubs for pop and run. DR chicas are way more decent. E is living in an alternate reality. All relationships are P4 P when you get down to basics. I prefer to be upfront. Guys come to DR from all over the US because they can not get the quality of women for the price they pay in the DR. Finding and setting up relationships 20 something girls for 50 60 year old men is like finding unicorns. "Good Luck" Sure in my day I could pull a 8 but could never have a 3 some with 2 of them for 80 bucks. NOPE! Us normal guys who have some age have hard time having young women even speaking to you.
Prostitution is illegal, but parties?
Mr Enternational
07-25-16, 14:08
Utter baloney. For a start most of the activities you mention would not be legal in the US, like the fuck parties you mention. Secondly, if a lot of the guys who go to Sosua are in relationships, it would be impossible to conceal their absence for multiple days from home, work, child custody arrangements, and so on.Since when do human beings only participate in things that are legal? Have you ever driven over the speed limit? Did you ever visit the illegal La Passion when it was open in Sosua? Smoked weed? Or even drank when you were in high school? Who says someone needs to conceal their absence in order to get away? Not everyone's partner has a ball and chain on their nutsack. I don't think I have any friends or family whose spouse has put a curfew on them. Utter baloney? Which world are you living in? It certainly is not the real one. I guess I can see why people are calling where they live Sex Prison. Seems they are living day to day with a stick up their ass.
Mr Enternational
07-25-16, 14:27
The quality of women that you get in the US for these types of parties is very low. US hookers are very hardcore. Absolutely no GFE. 25 years ago strip club girls at dives were asking 100 plus dollars at dive clubs for pop and run. DR chicas are way more decent. E is living in an alternate reality.Seriously. Have you ever seen a rap video? Or more so a rap video that was made in a strip club in Atlanta? You think those video chicks come from outer space? No. They come right out of the strip clubs. Blue Flame, Magic City, Follies, Strokers, Tease. Those are the same girls that you can get to come by for a party. What quality you consider them to be is a personal issue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyX8LxUrq-c
I own properties in the ATL and have visited all those clubs. My favorite would be Pin Ups. The 5 dollar nude lap dance is a thing of beauty. These girls get earn decent money and are hard as bricks. In ATL there more women stripping then teaching school. 150 bucks is where most start the bidding for a very quick and sterile session. These lovely ladies seem to love the thugs and drug dealers who make it rain. Getting a good session from these girls is challenge no matter what you pay. So as an elderly statesman in the real world pulling babes from strip clubs is a poor option.
Seriously. Have you ever seen a rap video? Or more so a rap video that was made in a strip club in Atlanta? You think those video chicks come from outer space? No. They come right out of the strip clubs. Blue Flame, Magic City, Follies, Strokers, Tease. Those are the same girls that you can get to come by for a party. What quality you consider them to be is a personal issue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyX8LxUrq-c
Don't take this the wrong way, but are you a complete fucking idiot? Give that question some serious consideration.
The reason why I didn't get it, is because it doesn't make sense. In essence everything you posted about the mindset of an individual sending money is coming from you, and your opinion of what YOU think is in THEIR heads, not necessarily their reality. And if you know my saying, I always say. YOU CAN ONLY THINK IN ONE HEAD.Well no shit it's coming from me.
I'm currently friends with 2 different women who have been / are in the types of relationships I have specifically been discussing. Friends as in, they ask me advice, tell me their complaints and problems, sometimes show me the emails and messages, and hang out and drink beer with me when I can visit. There have been other friends, girlfriends and even a sister, who have gone through similar experiences. I'm also casually acquainted with a few men who are currently in, or were recently in these types of arrangements. What I have been saying isn't my opinion, or guesswork, it's a composite of all the sources. In the words of one guy, "I want to be your Superman and save you from Lex Luthor. " Another, who kept promising to divorce his wife and marry the girl, once she let him move her to an apartment convenient to him, "If you are here I will always be there to protect you. " Fairy tales.
1st off, each individual sending money may have reasons you or I have not factored into the equation. The fact that you admit that you do not understand their alleged mindset speaks volumes. If you do not understand it, how can you be so sure of another mans motivation for sending money or his connection to the female? A few personal examples you know does not make it generally the case for every or most men sending money. Which is why I stated I was discussing only a specific case. Did you not understand, when I described the specific case, that I was not making a general statement? If someone is talking about golf, do you assume that everything they say applies to baseball, rugby and bowling?
As for understanding, this part is probably beyond your grasp. There are people who torture and kill animals because they enjoy it. I understand that it happens, I understand that they enjoy it. What I don't understand is the feeling of enjoying torturing animals. I understand that some men send large amounts of money to women they don't know. I understand some of these men want to marry these women. I don't understand wanting to do these things, but I accept the existence.
Moreover, not all men are sending large amounts like what you described. Suppose a guy is only sending $50 a month? Jumping on a plane every now and then to visit the recipient of his generosity is an expense that seems reasonable. Much more reasonable than getting married just to fulfill some fantasy. What if the guy is already married? Hows he supposed to fulfill his fantasy then?Is there any other completely unrelated subject you want to bring up? I once knew a guy who was looking for a woman to treat him like a baby, feed him with a bottle, change him and clean his ass. He's just as relevant. You're asking, "what about a guy who meets none of the conditions you specified? Doesn't something different make more sense?
Why yes. It does make more sense to use a tennis ball to play tennis, instead of a bowling ball.
Once again, you're trying to rationalize a delusion. If the guy is already married, and many are, he'll have to figure it out on his own.
All in all, regardless of the explanation, it still doesn't make sense to get married if all one is getting is his supposed fantasy fulfilled. Shit instead of getting married, he can fantasize about being married, being a white knight and all the rest and just send what he wants and don't marry the woman. Pay until he feels like stopping and walk away. When he walks away, THEN he will get something out of that arrangement. RELIEF.Do you understand addiction? I've never had a problem with it, but I've known sex, alcohol, drug, gambling and religion addicts. The problem with addicts is they can't walk away. Do you understand obsession? An obsessed person is not subject to reason. They can't alter the obsession. A person who is sexually obsessed with goats can't replace the goat with a sheep. Once again you're trying to force rational actions on irrational behavior.
It's one thing to give our opinions on cost vs benefit when talking about marriage. But it is a totally different thing to attempt to project or give our opinions of what other people are supposedly thinking and their motivation, and how we think they may be fulfilled psychologically.When a guy writes an email to a girl, who he has never met, but who he has sent a lot of money to, saying things like: "I can't live without you", "I can only think about you", "The only thing that will make me happy is to marry you", "I will treat you like a queen", "I can't help myself", etc. , I have a pretty good idea what is going on in his head. What's harder is answering the girl when she asks "how do I get rid of him?
Even harder than that is figuring out why you are so obsessed with what was intended as a sarcastic remark.
Since when do human beings only participate in things that are legal? Have you ever driven over the speed limit? Did you ever visit the illegal La Passion when it was open in Sosua? Smoked weed? Or even drank when you were in high school? Who says someone needs to conceal their absence in order to get away? Not everyone's partner has a ball and chain on their nutsack. I don't think I have any friends or family whose spouse has put a curfew on them. Utter baloney? Which world are you living in? It certainly is not the real one. I guess I can see why people are calling where they live Sex Prison. Seems they are living day to day with a stick up their ass.Sex offenses hardly come under the same category as speeding in terms of how they can affect your whole life. Yes, I drank when I was [CodeWord902] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902) and I smoked marijuana (and cigarettes) when I was young and dumb, but I haven't done it for decades. There is a difference between irresponsible adolescents and mature adults who have responsibilities.
The whole point of traveling to the DR is that you can do things legally that would be illegal in the US, thus arbitraging differences in laws. For example, as well as paying for sex, you can also buy prescription drugs like antibiotics, blood pressure medications, or birth control pills without a prescription, thus saving yourself expensive visits to the doctor office, bloodwork, etc.
Prostitution is illegal, but parties?Is it really legal to hold "parties" where men pay $40 to fuck a woman where you live? Not in Florida, it isn't.
In other words, it's exactly twice as much and not more than twice as much, and you are wrong, so you are bloviating instead of just admitting it.
'An additional $10,350', in addition to the $6,300 + $4,050 = $10,350 the single person can exclude. Sure sounds like twice as much to me, and it does not 'depend on how you look at it.'You are correct, but I am not trying to write a manual for tax preparers. If you do not itemize deductions and you marry a non working wife, your taxes will be the same as if you had an additional $10,350 deduction. That is all.
Utter baloney. For a start most of the activities you mention would not be legal in the US, like the fuck parties you mention. Secondly, if a lot of the guys who go to Sosua are in relationships, it would be impossible to conceal their absence for multiple days from home, work, child custody arrangements, and so on.
People who live in beach places rarely go to other beach places for vacations. I lived for many years in Bermuda, so I know what I am talking about.
The Sugarbabies Web site is just a front for a prostitution Web site, just as Ashley Madison was, and there are illegal prostitutes on sites like Facebook. Are you really that naive?
Yes, people can get laid where they live, sometimes they can get serial partners, but easily getting 18 and 19 year-old students for $200 or $300 per month pocket money is a total fantasy.You would be amazed at the illegal things that go on. I talked to a guy recently who used to share an apartment with several other guys. Nobody lived there, it was just a convenient place to take strippers, hookers and escorts. I've been to a similar party, except the strippers were escorts and it cost a lot more than $40 to take one to a bedroom.
Having a full-time sugarbaby in the US for $300/ month isn't reasonable, but you can find one to visit twice a month for that. I have a friend who's spending about $800/ month for apartment plus utilities for a college student he sees about 10 times per month. The sugar daddy who took over an ex girlfriend was probably spending about $1500 per month and he was getting about 10 hours / week. I wouldn't know this except there was a 2 month period where she was his sugarbaby and my girlfriend.
Seriously. Have you ever seen a rap video? Or more so a rap video that was made in a strip club in Atlanta? You think those video chicks come from outer space? No. They come right out of the strip clubs. Blue Flame, Magic City, Follies, Strokers, Tease. Those are the same girls that you can get to come by for a party. What quality you consider them to be is a personal issue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyX8LxUrq-cOK.
Just send 'em over to my place Mr E.
Let's see. I'll take the one on the left and the one in the middle, one row back!
I ask again, with all that pussy around you all the time, why hang around Sosua, a place you hate, and a mongering board that has shit advice you don't need?
Weird shit!
I see a lot of arguments here, but they are not about your own personal experience. They are anecdotal stories about third parties "guy"s who allegedly send thousands of dollars to women they have never met. Other guys who got ripped off, or who didn't, or who can get all the pussy they need with no real effort.
The arguments would be much more instructive and useful, if you related your own experiences as to how you arrive at your conclusions, rather than setting up strawmen, and knocking them down, like "I know a guy. ". Makes you feel OK, by comparison, but proves nothing!
You can't possibly know some unidentified "guy"s reasoning, and you certainly can't challenge him through his pal here. So you finish up with a lot of arguments about other folks alleged behavior who are not here to participate in the discussion, so nothing can ever be resolved, even if these other "guy"s did actually exist and behave in the strange ways we are told here.
Just a thought! To save a little time and trouble!
Mr Enternational
07-25-16, 16:03
Sex offenses hardly come under the same category as speeding in terms of how they can affect your whole life. Frannie surely you are not that green. When you see someone busted for sex offenses how does it always happen? 1 of 2 ways. He is in his car and tries to pick a chick up on the side of the road and it ends up being a cop. Or 2, he finds some chick in an add and meets them in a motel room and it turns out to be a cop.
If you go to a strip club and get a chick's number and say hey we want to throw a party together so get some of your friends up and I will call you with the time and date that we need you. Nobody is busted for being a sex offender that way. And what do you guys do at bachelor parties? For us the two events are pretty much equal, only at a strip / fuck party nobody is getting married.
I see a lot of arguments here, but they are not about your own personal experience. They are anecdotal stories about third parties "guy"s who allegedly send thousands of dollars to women they have never met. Other guys who got ripped off, or who didn't, or who can get all the pussy they need with no real effort.
The arguments would be much more instructive and useful, if you related your own experiences as to how you arrive at your conclusions, rather than setting up strawmen, and knocking them down, like "I know a guy. ". Makes you feel OK, by comparison, but proves nothing!
You can't possibly know some unidentified "guy"s reasoning, and you certainly can't challenge him through his pal here. So you finish up with a lot of arguments about other folks alleged behavior who are not here to participate in the discussion, so nothing can ever be resolved, even if these other "guy"s did actually exist and behave in the strange ways we are told here.
Just a thought! To save a little time and trouble!Wow, I actually agree with something Oakie is saying. To me it is always the personal details and experiences that are interesting, not the grand theories. For example how do your really know how much a month a chica is receiving from various guys unless she actually shows you the Western Union receipt slips, and if that is the case, how did you get into that situation where she was confiding in you to that extent if you do not have more intimate relationships with chicas than you are letting on?
Frannie surely you are not that green. When you see someone busted for sex offenses how does it always happen? 1 of 2 ways. He is in his car and tries to pick a chick up on the side of the road and it ends up being a cop. Or 2, he finds some chick in an add and meets them in a motel room and it turns out to be a cop.
If you go to a strip club and get a chick's number and say hey we want to throw a party together so get some of your friends up and I will call you with the time and date that we need you. Nobody is busted for being a sex offender that way. And what do you guys do at bachelor parties? For us the two events are pretty much equal, only at a strip / fuck party nobody is getting married.I would not even want my car to be seen outside a strip club.
I also would like to see guys describe more of their person experiences to back up their statements. Now watch the conversations fade now because maybe guys don't have those experiences to share.
Thanks Oakie.
Tempoecorto
07-25-16, 16:22
US hookers are very hardcore. Absolutely no GFE. 25 years ago strip club girls at dives were asking 100 plus dollars at dive clubs for pop and run. DR chicas are way more decent. E is living in an alternate reality. I have zero interest in women who are interested in thugs and other low-life creatures. I rarely go to strip club even though at times at the military town I visit, it can be sinfully titillating. I traveled in south east Asia extensively but would never be able to speak to a Thai, Malay, Vietnamese, Cambodian or an Indonesian girl in their language. My Pinay exposure was fairly limited but at least those spoke some decent English, compared to "sucky sucky" of other lands. Compare that to the DR: First off, I can actually relate to the girls (even the Sosua girls even though I have very little interest in the bar girls), thanks to the language and secondly, as you say, the girls are way more decent not to speak of the additional attraction of a young woman.
Comparing what is available at home and the DR is like comparing apples and oranges. Of course, if one is only into pump and dump, it is a whole different ball game but it sounds weird, indeed amusing that an worldly man like Enternational cannot discriminate between the two.
Mr Enternational
07-25-16, 16:46
I ask again, with all that pussy around you all the time, why hang around Sosua, a place you hate, and a mongering board that has shit advice you don't need?
Weird shit!I never said that I hate Sosua. I think Sosua is a cool place. I even found a new barbershop last time I was there. And a guy I met at Field of Dreams turned me on to the fish spot across from Caribe Tours that I didn't know about. I also like drinking coco locos on what I think is a great beach. I do think Sosua is shit for mongering though.
And why keep going there? Probably more force of habit than anything. It definitely is not for the women. Just like when we were hanging in Santo Domingo in February, Gogo was having an itch to go to Sosua. Like I said, probably from force of habit as well. If you read his latest reports he is having a ball roaming around the capital and Boca Chica and it appears Sosua is the farthest thing from his mind.
This mongering board does not have shit advice. Most of the stuff I know about DR is because of people on this mongering board. Sure I will add my own twist after they lock me on though. I had been scared of Santo Domingo for so long then I finally said fuck it and met up with Jaosousa. He told me where to stay and gave me explicit directions on how to drive from the airport to the hotel. Then he picked me up and took me around giving me a crash course on the things he knew, which was a fucking lot. I had information overload and could not remember half the shit. I tell you one mf thing I remember him saying. Is that AMET is the only one that can give you a ticket. The Policia Nacional that is pulling you over hoping for bribes can't do shit. To this day I have yet to give those guys any money either. Due to what Jao taught me that day.
That same trip Gagoo joined up with us. He taught me that I should be using GPS to navigate the streets. I didn't even know I could do that. I consider that shit essential now. And I passed it on to Grown Man telling him how to add internet to his local SIM so it would not eat all his credit up and that would make it feasible to use the GPS.
Then I met up with Gogo who taught me about Independencia and all the street walkers. He also taught me about the cabanas and gave me some of his secret loctions for some of them.
I also would have never known you could pick up chicks on the side of the road and go to a cabana with them if it was not for this board. I am not doing anything new under the sun. I just might be putting it together in a way that you are not used to.
Mr Enternational
07-25-16, 17:01
For example how do your really know how much a month a chica is receiving from various guys unless she actually shows you the Western Union receipt slips, and if that is the case, how did you get into that situation where she was confiding in you to that extent if you do not have more intimate relationships with chicas than you are letting on?I supposed the easiest way would be to ask. When I first met the girl in the Philippines who let me see her whatsapp to read all the messages guys were sending all I did was ask if I could see it. Then she showed it to me and explained about each guy. It has nothing to do with intimacy. Just stop being pussy about everything. All they can do is say no if they don't want you to know.
I would think that most chicks would like to brag about it anyway. My wingman went to a well known hooker's house in Rio. Her mom showed him all the Wester Junior receipts of all the money guys had sent and the house full of furniture they had bought with the money. LOL. The lady even tried to teach him how to fill the form out, thinking he was going to want to send money too.
I never said that I hate Sosua. I think Sosua is a cool place. I even found a new barbershop last time I was there. And a guy I met at Field of Dreams turned me on to the fish spot across from Caribe Tours that I didn't know about. I also like drinking coco locos on what I think is a great beach. I do think Sosua is shit for mongering though.
And why keep going there? Probably more force of habit than anything. It definitely is not for the women. Just like when we were hanging in Santo Domingo in February, Gogo was having an itch to go to Sosua. Like I said, probably from force of habit as well. If you read his latest reports he is having a ball roaming around the capital and Boca Chica and it appears Sosua is the farthest thing from his mind.
This mongering board does not have shit advice. Most of the stuff I know about DR is because of people on this mongering board. Sure I will add my own twist after they lock me on though. I had been scared of Santo Domingo for so long then I finally said fuck it and met up with Jaosousa. He told me where to stay and gave me explicit directions on how to drive from the airport to the hotel. Then he picked me up and took me around giving me a crash course on the things he knew, which was a fucking lot. I had information overload and could not remember half the shit. I tell you one mf thing I remember him saying. Is that AMET is the only one that can give you a ticket. The Policia Nacional that is pulling you over hoping for bribes can't do shit. To this day I have yet to give those guys any money either. Due to what Jao taught me that day.
That same trip Gagoo joined up with us. He taught me that I should be using GPS to navigate the streets. I didn't even know I could do that. I consider that shit essential now. And I passed it on to Grown Man telling him how to add internet to his local SIM so it would not eat all his credit up and that would make it feasible to use the GPS.
Then I met up with Gogo who taught me about Independencia and all the street walkers. He also taught me about the cabanas and gave me some of his secret loctions for some of them.
I also would have never known you could pick up chicks on the side of the road and go to a cabana with them if it was not for this board. I am not doing anything new under the sun. I just might be putting it together in a way that you are not used to.Thanks for the post.
Explains where you are coming from.
But just one more thing, and I'll leave it alone. You learned an awful lot from the vets about mongering, (as I did) and where to get it, so don't you think it sounds a bit hollow, when you are telling us here, that you really don't need hookers? Or it's so easy to get laid anywhere you might as well stay home, and have a fuck party, or call a couple of those Youtube Music Video dancers over who'll fuck our old ancient mongers for pocket change :)
C'mon Mr E, smile! We are just passing time here between visits!
Peace!
Mr Enternational
07-25-16, 17:05
I would not even want my car to be seen outside a strip club.LOL. Frannie I have said this before, and I will say it once again: You are a funny mf. We need to dub you The Tiptoe Mongerer. You must wear a disguise and hide behind palm trees when you go to Sosua.
Tempoecorto
07-25-16, 17:06
I would not even want my car to be seen outside a strip club.Same here.
LOL. Frannie I have said this before, and I will say it once again: You are a funny mf. We need to dub you The Tiptoe Mongerer. You must wear a disguise and hide behind palm trees when you go to Sosua.I have had people ask me if I am Dominican, so I don't really need a disguise. I just blend in with the scenery. If you ran into me in Sosua, you would probably not think I was a monger, even though in Sosua nearly everyone is.
I find it hard to believe you have friends whose wives would not notice if they were out of the country for a few days. Of course people have busy lives these days and in some cases their spouse might be dead for a while before they spotted something different about them.
Mr Enternational
07-25-16, 17:25
But just one more thing, and I'll leave it alone. You learned an awful lot from the vets about mongering, (as I did) and where to get it, so don't you think it sounds a bit hollow, when you are telling us here, that you really don't need hookers? Or it's so easy to get laid anywhere you might as well stay home, and have a fuck party, or call a couple of those Youtube Music Video dancers over who'll fuck our old ancient mongers for pocket change :)No. Because I have explained before that when I first go to a place I will read up on ISG to see what the deal is. I will go on a website and look for regular chicks. I may fuck around with P4P until I can get my bearings on a place then I start learning the language or whatever else. Then P4P becomes a past time. Or something to do in between non-pros.
I went to Vietnam. I can't even say Hello, in Vietnamese. I RTFF and learned the tricks of the mongering trade there. It suited me fine for my 10 day trip. Now if I was to decide to become a frequent visitor to Vietnam then I would decide to learn the language and culture and learn how to move in order to start picking up nonpros there. But for my short visit there was no need to go outside of P4P. I definitely would not make 100 trips to Vietnam and still be relying on P4P though.
Variety is the spice of life. I grew up in Atlanta around the strippers and all that. I had my fill of that when I was in high school and college. These days, one week I might have a taste for Latin Flavor and the next week I might get that Yellow Fever. Like I said, it is more to it than just having a handy hole to stick your dick in. You might have a refrigerator full of food at home, but when the weekend comes you may want to order a pizza or go try a new restaurant. Why not just eat the same thing for every meal everyday? Because fuck that. I got options.
Tempoecorto
07-25-16, 17:28
I'm in Canada. Getting a satisfactory connection by answering a hooker ad in backpage, or going on a "dating" site is hard work. It also takes luck!I was referring to my Canada experience, as I said, before the Internet became all encompassing. There used to be plenty of massage places which always wound up with a satisfactory outcome, one way or the other and even the escorts visiting the hotel room were nice. In this regard, I do have to state that my experience in hotel escorts in Australia and new Zealand in particular have been fabulous, perhaps because those are two lands where prostitution is legal, as it should be in a civilized land.
BTW, with regards to quoting "others' experience", something that you mentioned earlier (and I agree with it), an unique experience that I never thought could be true, happened to me in the DR: picking up a student at the UNI, a complete stranger and then visiting a cabana. Indeed I was bamboozled by that, in that, that kind of experience only happens to "others". DR indeed is full of such surprises, which I daresay only happens in dreams in other lands.
Mr Enternational
07-25-16, 17:46
I find it hard to believe you have friends whose wives would not notice if they were out of the country for a few days. Of course people have busy lives these days and in some cases their spouse might be dead for a while before they spotted something different about them.It is not about noticing they are gone. It is that they are allowed to go places by themselves or with friends. They are grown men. My best friend's wife keeps begging him to go to Thailand with me. Last time I was in Sosua they were in Puerto Plata. She was going to come meet up with me alone because she said he was too scary to drive. He has been on a trip to Sosua 3 times without her.
The other day my dad just got back from Italy with my stepmom, and aunt, and cousins. I called to ask him how the trip was. He said it was okay but going on a mongering trip is more his style. I started laughing at his ass. (Wrx has met my dad in Sosua.)
My cousin, his wife, and son were moving to Malaysia where his wife is from. The only way she got him to go for that deal is that she would have to let him stay in Thailand for the majority of the time. He has even been to Sosua twice while she footed the bill.
When I was married I would ask my wife if we had anything planned for such and such date. If she said no then I would say okay in that case I am going to go to XYZ for a few days. Nobody has to sneak off.
Don't take this the wrong way, but are you a complete fucking idiot? Give that question some serious consideration.Don't need to think that deeply. Yeah sort of. But don't take this the wrong way either. Some people kinda get that way when they respond to a stupid ass suggestion, from someone initially speaking in general about WU novios supposedly getting something out of marrying some chick. Then later, claims he was talking about some individuals/examples he knows about. Meanwhile anybody else your examples don't fit, you can't seem to grasp how stupid that suggestion was. Initially it wasnt even about individuals you knew of, so how the fuck would anybody know who you were referring to when you 1st made that remark? You only made that shit up because you had no where else to go to explain that idiotic remark.
Even harder than that is figuring out why you went through all that trouble to explain something that was meant to apply to indivduals you know, when all you had to do is simply say your remark was intended to only be sarcasm. Idiocy is when you expect your mindset / sarcasm to be understood without a fucking explanation. Thats why the other poster asked you if you were out of your fucking mind when he read that shit. You could have saved yourself several pages of patching hole posts by just coming clean. However, were done. And I mean it. Were done.
That same trip Gagoo joined up with us. He taught me that I should be using GPS to navigate the streets. I didn't even know I could do that. I consider that shit essential now. And I passed it on to Grown Man telling him how to add internet to his local SIM so it would not eat all his credit up and that would make it feasible to use the GPS.A piece of advice off topic. I have been using HERE Maps (Nokia) for my navigation, when I don't have local SIM with Data plan. You can download the maps for the offline navigation. I haven't used the App (Android and iOS) in DR, but it works really well in Brazil. The DR map is only 83,3 MB and it's all free.
Don't need to think that deeply. Yeah sort of. But don't take this the wrong way either. Some people kinda get that way when they respond to a stupid ass suggestion, from someone initially speaking in general about WU novios supposedly getting something out of marrying some chick. Then later, claims he was talking about some individuals/examples he knows about. Meanwhile anybody else your examples don't fit, you can't seem to grasp how stupid that suggestion was. Initially it wasnt even about individuals you knew of, so how the fuck would anybody know who you were referring to when you 1st made that remark? You only made that shit up because you had no where else to go to explain that idiotic remark.
Even harder than that is figuring out why you went through all that trouble to explain something that only applies to indivduals you know, when all you had to do is simply say your remark was intended to only be sarcasm. Idiocy is when you expect your mindset / sarcasm to be understood without a fucking explanation. Thats why the other poster asked you if you were out of your fucking mind when he read that shit. You could have saved yourself several pages of patching hole posts by just coming clean. However, were done. And I mean it. Were done.A simple "Yes" would have sufficed.
I was referring to my Canada experience, as I said, before the Internet became all encompassing. There used to be plenty of massage places which always wound up with a satisfactory outcome, one way or the other and even the escorts visiting the hotel room were nice. In this regard, I do have to state that my experience in hotel escorts in Australia and new Zealand in particular have been fabulous, perhaps because those are two lands where prostitution is legal, as it should be in a civilized land.
BTW, with regards to quoting "others' experience", something that you mentioned earlier (and I agree with it), an unique experience that I never thought could be true, happened to me in the DR: picking up a student at the UNI, a complete stranger and then visiting a cabana. Indeed I was bamboozled by that, in that, that kind of experience only happens to "others". DR indeed is full of such surprises, which I daresay only happens in dreams in other lands.Live the dream TC, live the dream!
Life's a mirror, it gives back what you put into it. !
ID you look for shit, you'll always fine lots of it!
No. Because I have explained before that when I first go to a place I will read up on ISG to see what the deal is. I will go on a website and look for regular chicks. I may fuck around with P4P until I can get my bearings on a place then I start learning the language or whatever else. Then P4P becomes a past time. Or something to do in between non-pros.
I went to Vietnam. I can't even say Hello, in Vietnamese. I RTFF and learned the tricks of the mongering trade there. It suited me fine for my 10 day trip. Now if I was to decide to become a frequent visitor to Vietnam then I would decide to learn the language and culture and learn how to move in order to start picking up nonpros there. But for my short visit there was no need to go outside of P4P. I definitely would not make 100 trips to Vietnam and still be relying on P4P though.
Variety is the spice of life. I grew up in Atlanta around the strippers and all that. I had my fill of that when I was in high school and college. These days, one week I might have a taste for Latin Flavor and the next week I might get that Yellow Fever. Like I said, it is more to it than just having a handy hole to stick your dick in. You might have a refrigerator full of food at home, but when the weekend comes you may want to order a pizza or go try a new restaurant. Why not just eat the same thing for every meal everyday? Because fuck that. I got options.Not being critical here, just checking how you roll.
So you learn everything you can about P4 P hookers, until you "graduate" to free pussy, in these same countries?
That about right?
Is that what it's come to? Before posting anything we need signed and notarized affidavits from all sources of information, plus subpoenas for all witnesses? Nobody is allowed to have any knowledge or experience beyond the confines of this board?
This might come as a surprise, but some of us know people. We even (you may want to sit down for this) talk to people. Amazing, I know, but it does happen. After so many experiences and conversations, you learn things. Sometimes it's something completely unexpected and sometimes it's something you've suspected all along. Often we learn things without realizing it.
When replying on a subject, I depend on what I know. Some of the knowledge is from direct experience, some from observation, some from research and some from the experiences of others. The experiences of others may be from anyone and sometimes involves pictures, videos or copies of messages. All of that just means, I know what I know.
Does it change anything if I write 5000 words explaining that I have a young female friend in Colombia, give full details about how we became acquainted, discuss how we became friends, rather than a more intimate relationship, show supporting evidence that we are friends, give her contact information so you can verify, give examples of the wide array of subjects we've discussed, just to discuss the conclusions I've drawn about one of those subjects?
Should I add that she asked me to advise another of her friends who was in a similar situation? What about the woman in San Diego who showed me the private messages she received online after we had spent the evening in bed? The ex GF in Chino Hills or the fuck buddy in Phoenix? Maybe the friend of a friend who I tried to talk out of buying a Russian bride, or the conversation a year later when he wanted advice on getting rid of the Russian bride? The ex coworker who wanted to dump his wife for some 18 year old in Puerto Rico? The various strippers, escorts and 3rd rate porn stars I've known? Being married into a family of psychologists probably played a part too.
Instead of worrying whether someone is qualified (which raises the question, are you qualified to judge their qualifications?) to voice an opinion, why not stick with the opinion? Does it have merit? Are there inherent contradictions? Is the conclusion consistent with the preconceptions?
If it doesn't make sense, being the world's foremost authority on the subject won't change anything. If it does make sense, does it matter that I'm an idiot and an asshole?
Is that what it's come to? Before posting anything we need signed and notarized affidavits from all sources of information, plus subpoenas for all witnesses? Nobody is allowed to have any knowledge or experience beyond the confines of this board?
This might come as a surprise, but some of us know people. We even (you may want to sit down for this) talk to people. Amazing, I know, but it does happen. After so many experiences and conversations, you learn things. Sometimes it's something completely unexpected and sometimes it's something you've suspected all along. Often we learn things without realizing it.
When replying on a subject, I depend on what I know. Some of the knowledge is from direct experience, some from observation, some from research and some from the experiences of others. The experiences of others may be from anyone and sometimes involves pictures, videos or copies of messages. All of that just means, I know what I know.
Does it change anything if I write 5000 words explaining that I have a young female friend in Colombia, give full details about how we became acquainted, discuss how we became friends, rather than a more intimate relationship, show supporting evidence that we are friends, give her contact information so you can verify, give examples of the wide array of subjects we've discussed, just to discuss the conclusions I've drawn about one of those subjects?
Should I add that she asked me to advise another of her friends who was in a similar situation? What about the woman in San Diego who showed me the private messages she received online after we had spent the evening in bed? The ex GF in Chino Hills or the fuck buddy in Phoenix? Maybe the friend of a friend who I tried to talk out of buying a Russian bride, or the conversation a year later when he wanted advice on getting rid of the Russian bride? The ex coworker who wanted to dump his wife for some 18 year old in Puerto Rico? The various strippers, escorts and 3rd rate porn stars I've known? Being married into a family of psychologists probably played a part too.
Instead of worrying whether someone is qualified (which raises the question, are you qualified to judge their qualifications?) to voice an opinion, why not stick with the opinion? Does it have merit? Are there inherent contradictions? Is the conclusion consistent with the preconceptions?
If it doesn't make sense, being the world's foremost authority on the subject won't change anything. If it does make sense, does it matter that I'm an idiot and an asshole?Well said, but an opinion is in a different category than an argument to used to make a point.
In all the instances you relate above, your experience is directly with the other party, and as such we can take you at your word for what transpires between to two of you and the reasons why.
But if you say someone is stupid to send a little money to a regular, so that she can pay her phone bill, get her hair and nails fixed and take a complete week away from her daily life to be with you, because somebody knows somebody who sends thousands of dollars to women he has never met who steals from him, all the time, that's a false strawman argument, no matter how many "me too" circle jerk thumbs up it gets from some mongers here!
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SavePros321
07-25-16, 23:43
Is it only in Atlanta or don't guys in other cities have fuck parties where you invite a bunch a strippers over to someone's house and you can go fuck them in one of the rooms for $40? Even with setups like that people like a change of scenery every now and then.
Those are the same girls that you can get to come by for a party.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyX8LxUrq-cYou aint fucking ATL strippers for $40 bucks. Quit playing bro. 😐
My foreign broad don't even give up the ass for $40. And she's probably hotter than all those chicks in that video combined. Plus I fuck her bareback and cum inside of her as much as I want.
Mr Enternational
07-26-16, 04:08
You aint fucking ATL strippers for $40 bucks. Quit playing bro. 😐
I apologize for the misinformation. A buddy of mine has told me that it is actually $50 that the chicks want. But of course I would be the one to talk them down to the $40 that I reported previously.
BTW, with regards to quoting "others' experience", something that you mentioned earlier (and I agree with it), an unique experience that I never thought could be true, happened to me in the DR: picking up a student at the UNI, a complete stranger and then visiting a cabana. Indeed I was bamboozled by that, in that, that kind of experience only happens to "others". DR indeed is full of such surprises, which I daresay only happens in dreams in other lands.Absolutely. The great thing about the DR is that you end up having sex with people you never thought you would, like your dentist or bank manager. I remember the time you came to visit me when I was living up the hill in Torre Alta and at the end of the visit, you left on a motoconcho and on the way back down the hill stopped to give a Haitian woman a ride and carried her off to your lair at the Portofino. That kind of thing doesn't seem to happen the same in the US. Or the girl of 18 who came to stay with you in Puerto Plata and you had your way with her and sent her home with chocolate cake for her mother. Only in the DR.
Ipanema Carioca
07-26-16, 06:38
Hey Fellas, I hired a lobbyist in the Sosua City Council to advocate our interests. Read this and tell me if he's doing a great job or not!
Tempoecorto
07-26-16, 06:56
Absolutely. The great thing about the DR is that you end up having sex with people you never thought you would, like your dentist or bank manager. I remember the time you came to visit me when I was living up the hill in Torre Alta and at the end of the visit, you left on a motoconcho and on the way back down the hill stopped to give a Haitian woman a ride and carried her off to your lair at the Portofino. That kind of thing doesn't seem to happen the same in the US. Or the girl of 18 who came to stay with you in Puerto Plata and you had your way with her and sent her home with chocolate cake for her mother. Only in the DR.Jee, you have some memory! I did not remember about the chocolate cake at all which we bought at La Sirena. And this young woman came all the way from Samana!
I was so taken by my Dajabon Uni student experience, that I went back to the same place two years later and entered the uni by myself and tried to convince two different females, even entering class rooms. No luck!! Nevertheless, the Island is so pregnant with possibilities that it is one of the best wet dreams one can have, I think. Forget about the US, I can say this after 40+ trips to Bangkok, or Jakarta, Singapore or Hong Kong, no other place so far has come anywhere in the same league. Perhaps Madagascar would, LOL. I mean the sucky suckys in Phuket or Chiang Mai are putas (no offense intended), to clarify that they are always available vis a vis in the DR, where the magic may happen and again, may not) and the undersigned has not been able to finagle a regular chick anywhere in the SEA nations (first of all language is a huge barrier and then time, for me). So comparing the DR with US or other places is just a puerile exercise of people with little exposure to the real world, even more so, for people of our age.
Hey Fellas, I hired a lobbyist in the Sosua City Council to advocate our interests. Read this and tell me if he's doing a great job or not!Good one very funny!
Ipanema Carioca
07-26-16, 18:04
Hey, at least we know there is someone in Sosua city government with some business sense. Mongers are customers too, and we bring in more money and help employ more people in Sosua than those who want to see us disappear. When we disappear Sosua will too. It is no secret that all those abandoned all inclusive resorts all closed because Sosua can't sustain nothing but men to meet woman, like it or not, newly elected alderman Arismendy Monegro is a voice of reason. He's our man. Soon there will be a revolt in Sosua against that princess mayor from the businesses and residence of Sosua if she keeps up her bullshit!
This is the sentiment of the business owners in Sosua: "Unanimously entrepreneurs think that these actions of the government are very harmful. Customers stay away, turnover is now drastically reduced. Several hundred workers are now unemployed. And to close the street in the evening is also bad for business. The street is now deserted in the evening and this does not invite you to have a walk up and down the street. "
Good one very funny!.
I just read about Pantie Man on FB. I guess he was found dead in his apartment?
Anyone else have any information?
Ipanema Carioca
07-26-16, 19:43
Panty man was found dead last Saturday. It is not known if it is suicide or homicide. A haitian girl I know spoke to him the day before he was found. I never spoke to him but seen him all the time on the beach selling panties. He seemed to be a nice kid, and I don't think he seemed the suicide type.
I just read about Pantie Man on FB. I guess he was found dead in his apartment?
Anyone else have any information?.
Panty man was found dead last Saturday. It is not known if it is suicide or homicide. A haitian girl I know spoke to him the day before he was found. I never spoke to him but seen him all the time on the beach selling panties. He seemed to be a nice kid, and I don't think he seemed the suicide type.
.I've known him for years and bought scores of panties from him.
He was gay and many did not care for that fact.
Not that long ago, he got beat up pretty bad. He told me it was because he was gay.
To me, he was a really nice person that just wanted to make some pesos.
A sad day for the DR.
http://www.noticiassf.com/2015/08/05/sosua-y-cabarete-paraisos-sexuales-del-caribe-video/
http://www.noticiassf.com/2015/08/05/sosua-y-cabarete-paraisos-sexuales-del-caribe-video/Its a year old but thought interesting.
Ipanema Carioca
07-27-16, 02:59
This is only for those interested in Sosua and Cabarete beach. Plus the target age group in the DR will probably won't even read the article, beacue most can't read and have other pressing issues to worry about like inflation, low wages, unemployment, no hospitals, no water, floods, traffic fatalities, corruption, trash every where, and etc. Also notice they put Haitianas first as the participants in prostitution. What we do is a life line in Sosua, so they should not bite the industry that feeds Sosua.
http://www.noticiassf.com/2015/08/05/sosua-y-cabarete-paraisos-sexuales-del-caribe-video/.
Mr Enternational
07-27-16, 03:28
http://www.noticiassf.com/2015/08/05/sosua-y-cabarete-paraisos-sexuales-del-caribe-video/I did find the article interesting. While people here are saying that mongering is keeping Sosua alive, the article says that the monger invasion was the cause of killing Sosua. The surfacing of mongers has driven off the other tourists that filled the 5000 rooms of the 73 hotels in the 1990's. This, in turn, caused 11000 people to lose their jobs. But I guess if you have only seen it in its present form then maybe you will see it as you keeping it alive in lieu of being the cause of its downfall.
Another thing is the law that says it is illegal for someone to benefit from prostitution. So technically a hotel that rents to someone who brings in a prostitute can be guilty of benefiting. I guess this is how they were able to close Rumba that time.
Something that they do not mention is the foreign women who go there to find sanky pankies. It only mentions foreign men going there to find female hookers.
Moreover, I do not think it is a good idea to create a zona rosa or official hooker zone. These zona rosas work out in other cities where the locals are the focus (keeping Amsterdam in the back of the mind as an exception). But to make one official prostitution zone for hookers is a bit mehh. It would certainly keep out mongers like Frannie who wouldn't even want his car to be seen at a strip club. I am definitely sure he would not want his picture to be captured in a sanctioned area for prostitution.
How Sosua is run now someone can always deny they were there for hookers, but if you were "caught" in this one squared off area with government approval for prostitution, out of a big ass country then it would be hella hard to explain any other reason for being there.
Tempoecorto
07-27-16, 03:33
This is only for those interested in Sosua and Cabarete beach..If you read this, you will see how tourism was hit in the 90's (loss of 11000 rooms is mentioned) which somehow led to another kind of services being the lead attraction. The other interesting thing was the traditional foreign resident base. Germans, Canadians and the French which gave away to other nationalities. Guess which one?
The end of the article is full of platitudinous hopes, of International marketing and other tactics to eradicate the festering sore (even though the idea of unionizing women workers in the trade is also tossed in) and to re-jig quality tourism. If wishes were a horse.
http://www.noticiassf.com/2015/08/05/sosua-y-cabarete-paraisos-sexuales-del-caribe-video/You know I think to the left sometimes well most of the time. But the article was aimed and it's actually jealous of what's going down in sosua. First of all it seems like they are hating that business is not jumping in Puerto Plata. There are blaming the Haitian they are blaming women from other areas. Talking about how much these women work and the money they're making. They are blaming poverty and saying these girls are forced into a situation. The writer is meticulously trying to push all the right buttons. Poor Cabarete which was always on the down low gets pulled in while they hate on both areas. I wouldn't be surprised if this was written by some business owner from a half empty Hotel chain from Puerto Plata. I always said Puerto Plata wish they could have the tourism that their little brother sosua has on a weekly basis. For the most part we get off the plane in Puerto Plata and don't see it again until it's time to get back on the plane. To brag on sosua and cabarete beaches is a loco. First of all who the hell would travel that far for those sorry-ass beaches. I mean besides Surfer. I've only been in the water one time in my three years of going there . As I drive from Semana to Sosua I see a lot of abandoned hotels on nice beach fronts. It seems like at one time these were thriving businesses. What happened did the prostitutes run the families aways. It seems whenever you want to downgrade something just mention Haitian and prostitutes. What does sosua, Puerto Plata or cabarete have to offer for a family vacation. A theme park - mountains? The mountains are beautiful. But after 5 minutes it's a wrap. They did admit that prostitution was legal. They're quick to throw up the word Pimpin. Their government are the biggest pimps. They have a very male chauvinistic culture. Most business owners use young cute girls to lure customers. Can you imagine if discrimination of sex and age was illegal and enforced in the Dr. They profit the most out of sex.
I remember talking to the owner of a bar in Santo Domingo. He said it's customary for the owner to have sex with his workers.
Parkinsons
07-27-16, 13:35
http://www.noticiassf.com/2015/08/05/sosua-y-cabarete-paraisos-sexuales-del-caribe-video/I posted about the video inside the article last year. They talked about ISG and zoomed in on Oakie's post.
I did find the article interesting. While people here are saying that mongering is keeping Sosua alive, the article says that the monger invasion was the cause of killing Sosua. The surfacing of mongers has driven off the other tourists that filled the 5000 rooms of the 73 hotels in the 1990's. This, in turn, caused 11000 people to lose their jobs. But I guess if you have only seen it in its present form then maybe you will see it as you keeping it alive in lieu of being the cause of its downfall.
Another thing is the law that says it is illegal for someone to benefit from prostitution. So technically a hotel that rents to someone who brings in a prostitute can be guilty of benefiting. I guess this is how they were able to close Rumba that time.
Something that they do not mention is the foreign women who go there to find sanky pankies. It only mentions foreign men going there to find female hookers.
Moreover, I do not think it is a good idea to create a zona rosa or official hooker zone. These zona rosas work out in other cities where the locals are the focus (keeping Amsterdam in the back of the mind as an exception). But to make one official prostitution zone for hookers is a bit mehh. It would certainly keep out mongers like Frannie who wouldn't even want his car to be seen at a strip club. I am definitely sure he would not want his picture to be captured in a sanctioned area for prostitution.
How Sosua is run now someone can always deny they were there for hookers, but if you were "caught" in this one squared off area with government approval for prostitution, out of a big ass country then it would be hella hard to explain any other reason for being there.I think tourism to the North Coast in general has fallen off slowly over several years. The Playa Dorada complex is not what it was, and many hotels that were originally resorts have been converted into condos like Paraiso de Colon in Sosua, or Puerto Plata Beach Club in Puerto Plata. Even as condos Puerto Plata Beach Club has been unable to survive as a economicallly successful business in spite of a very good location and the clearing away of the prostitution bars and short stay hotel at that end of the malecon several years ago.
Personally I think that the issue is largely that US families are not able to afford to travel overseas for vacations very much, and that Europeans have a huge choice of places where they can go, with Africa being closer than the DR, plus Greece, Spain, Italy, Serbia and so on for beach holidays in the sun. I think the whiff of prostitution and crime might be a deterrent to some, as people definitely Google destinations online. Also the price of air fares from the US to Puerto Plata has gone sky high and the Santiago flights arrive at inconvenient times.
The beaches in Sosua and Cabarete are much better than in Puerto Plata, where storm drains full of all kinds of waste run off onto the beaches at regular intervals.
Prostitution in Sosua, Puerto Plata, Costambar, and so on has been an attraction for overseas visitors for over a decade, really since the Internet took off around 1997, but whether it has driven away other tourists is debatable.
Clearly there is no benefit to be obtained by marketing the North Coast of the DR as a sex tourism destination close to the US for a variety of diplomatic reasons. But I don't think it will go away entirely, though perhaps the overt prostitution with scores of scantily dressed women milling around on the streets of Sosua at weekends will be checked or driven indoors or more online.
Ipanema Carioca
07-27-16, 15:46
Sosua is the scapegoat. And by using the scapegoat tactic on foreigners who made Sosua profitable is the DR govts attempt to take over profitable foreign own businesses. It it correct that while Puerto Plata is a slum and poor excuse for a major DR city, it is definitely jealous of Sosua's tourist traffic of foreign dollars. El Dorado and other resorts are a bust because the same business plan that have the Sosua and Cabarete elected officials thinking they were going to get cruise ship passengers is the same that led them to think resorts outside of Sosua would be profitable. What they are afraid to admit is "foreign families do not want to visit DR. " Plus, Haiti is where a lot of Canadians and Europeans rather visit. Before the earthquake, Haiti was a major destination for French speaking Canadians and from France. With the Euro, Spanish speaking people have too many options than the DR, and so do people who speak a common language in other Caribbean countries. The Dutch and English can go to their former colonies rather than the DR. All the DR has a common language with is [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor Spain and poor Spanish speaking countries. Now that Cuba is opening up, the DR's reputation as the #1 Spanish speaking destination is over. If Puerto Rico is suffering, then so does the DR. What keeps the DR flowing with dollars is baseball and their women who need money to feed their families. Look at how many Dominicans finish college to be unemployed. They have never to have an "engineering school. " Where can yearly graduating Dominicans engineers work in the DR? Fuck, fix the damn electrical, water, plumbing, structures, and etc. Dominican engineers. Oh, DR can't afford to employ all of them educated engineering students, so the girls go to Sosua to either sell pizza slices, do hair, or meet someone who can help them take care of their parents, and, or kids.
I think tourism to the North Coast in general has fallen off slowly over several years.
Ipanema Carioca
07-27-16, 15:50
Yeah man, you are very correct. Canadians and French families have other places to visit over the DR. The Germans not so much. Besides, Sosua was settled by Germans. But how many will German families can afford to fly to Sosua. Even me, If there were no Sosua I would've finished with the DR years ago.
If you read this, you will see how tourism was hit in the 90's (loss of 11000 rooms is mentioned) which somehow led to another kind of services being the lead attraction. The other interesting thing was the traditional foreign resident base. Germans, Canadians and the French which gave away to other nationalities. Guess which one?
The end of the article is full of platitudinous hopes, of International marketing and other tactics to eradicate the festering sore (even though the idea of unionizing women workers in the trade is also tossed in) and to re-jig quality tourism. If wishes were a horse..
Ipanema Carioca
07-27-16, 17:49
The shame and truth about the DR is their college graduates are some of the girls working in Sosua and other other places in and out of the DR. I've met college girls who do not make their money by meeting foreign men with nothing more than a worthless Dominican degree. Even overseas those degrees are useless. Haitian academia is far more valuable than from the DR. In the DR a Haitians are better educated if they had not spent so much of their young like in the DR. The whole educated Dominican thing is a joke unless you are from the upperclass, and that's barely. 5 percent of the DR population.
Yeah man, you are very correct. Canadians and French families have other places to visit over the DR. The Germans not so much. Besides, Sosua was settled by Germans. .
Parkinsons
07-27-16, 18:38
What they are afraid to admit is "foreign families do not want to visit DR. " Plus, Haiti is where a lot of Canadians and Europeans rather visit. Before the earthquake, Haiti was a major destination for French speaking Canadians and from France. With the Euro, Spanish speaking people have too many options than the DR, and so do people who speak a common language in other Caribbean countries. The Dutch and English can go to their former colonies rather than the DR. All the DR has a common language with is poor Spain and poor Spanish speaking countries. Now that Cuba is opening up, the DR's reputation as the #1 Spanish speaking destination is over. If Puerto Rico is suffering, then so does the DR..You got so many things wrong.
1. More foreigners than ever are visiting the DR. The DR didn't lose travelers to other countries; the north coast lost travelers to Punta Cana. More visitors are coming en masse to the all-inclusive assembly lines in Punta Cana. They're attracted by the convenience, free-flowing booze, a "home-away-from-home" (artificial) environment. As more people go, the economies of scale drive down the plane tickets; the hotels getting more revenue in turn are able to constantly add new attractions. That train has passed by the AIs in Puerto Plata. I stayed one night with a girl last year at Barcelo in Playa Dorado and it was sad. Soon after they closed and sold to another chain. Meanwhile mega new resorts like the Nickelodeon are sprouting up in Punta Cana.
"North Americans Drove Dominican Republics Record 2014 Tourism Growth"
http://www.travelpulse.com/news/destinations/north-americans-drove-dominican-republics-record-2014-tourism-growth.html
2. It will be many years before the infrastructure in Cuba can be at a level where it will attract the same kind of convenience and comfort minded travelers -- hate them or love them, they are the engine of DR tourism. If the North Coast can't compete for these folks, how can Cuba?
3. Comparing Puerto Rico and the DR is like apples and oranges. First, tourism. PR is a US territory and follow US labor laws, therefore you will never see cheap AI pricing there as in the DR. Second, while the overall economy is in shambles in PR, the DR keeps getting better and better. For the past few years it's been the most robust in all of Latin America and will continue this year.
"Dominican Republic's economy most robust in Latin America, Caribbean region"
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/money/2016/01/07/dominican-republic-economy-most-robust-in-latin-america-caribbean-region/
"Dominican Republic to lead region with 6.0% growth: UN"
http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/economy/2016/7/26/60124/Dominican-Republic-to-lead-region-with-60-growth-UN
You got so many things wrong.
1. More foreigners than ever are visiting the DR. The DR didn't lose travelers to other countries; the north coast lost travelers to Punta Cana. More visitors are coming en masse to the all-inclusive assembly lines in Punta Cana. They're attracted by the convenience, free-flowing booze, a "home-away-from-home" (artificial) environment. As more people go, the economies of scale drive down the plane tickets; the hotels getting more revenue in turn are able to constantly add new attractions. That train has passed by the AIs in Puerto Plata. I stayed one night with a girl last year at Barcelo in Playa Dorado and it was sad. Soon after they closed and sold to another chain. Meanwhile mega new resorts like the Nickelodeon are sprouting up in Punta Cana.
"North Americans Drove Dominican Republics Record 2014 Tourism Growth"
http://www.travelpulse.com/news/destinations/north-americans-drove-dominican-republics-record-2014-tourism-growth.html
2. It will be many years before the infrastructure in Cuba can be at a level where it will attract the same kind of convenience and comfort minded travelers -- hate them or love them, they are the engine of DR tourism. If the North Coast can't compete for these folks, how can Cuba?
3. Comparing Puerto Rico and the DR is like apples and oranges. First, tourism. PR is a US territory and follow US labor laws, therefore you will never see cheap AI pricing there as in the DR. Second, while the overall economy is in shambles in PR, the DR keeps getting better and better. For the past few years it's been the most robust in all of Latin America and will continue this year.
"Dominican Republic's economy most robust in Latin America, Caribbean region"
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/money/2016/01/07/dominican-republic-economy-most-robust-in-latin-america-caribbean-region/
"Dominican Republic to lead region with 6.0% growth: UN"
http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/economy/2016/7/26/60124/Dominican-Republic-to-lead-region-with-60-growth-UNI agree with you, (and not just because you nearly made me nearly famous on Youtube) :)
There are so many factors, historical, economical, cultural, ethnic and political, that there are many reasons for the situations we observe in the DR.
Most of the individual observations are valid for that observer, but that doesn't mean somebody else's analysis is totally wrong.
Reminds me of the three blind men trying to figure out an elephant.
One feeling the tail says it is like a rope, another feeling the leg, a pillar, one feeling the tusk, a tree branch and so on.
That's Sosua! It's all those things at the same time.
Ipanema Carioca
07-27-16, 18:59
You got so many things wrong.I just say this. I'm a Caribbean American with a long history in the tourism industry. I know the numbers over the observations as a tourist. As in DR, Punta Cana is a small part of the issue, and the DR tourism ministry tried to duplicate PC on the northcoast and it failed, hence, the abandoned all inclusive properties in and near Sosua. Yes PR and DR are different, but similar, from crime to rum. And you're right that Cuba has no infrastructure, but that's an American issue. Everyone but American (no the sneaky ones) have been going to Cuba since Castro came to power. Dominicans, Latin Americans, Caribbeans, Europeans, Mexicans and Canadians have no problem with Cuba, and American cruise ships to Cuba are now more popular than Mamon and POP. This also is why the DR peso is getting weaker at 46 to a US dollar in the banks.
But I am not here to go back and forth with you. My point is Sosua will eventually go the way of Copacabana if the Dominicans keep biting the hands that feed them.
Parkinson's is absolutely correct. Just yesterday BQ Ribs was in the airport in Jersey and it was a big group of African American kids and adults holding up the lines. The group was 49 plus deep and some had been pre-screened and some hadn't. BQ Ribs went up and asked where they were going and they said to a resort in Pubta Cana. It seems it's an annual jaunt for this big group.
Ipanema Carioca
07-27-16, 19:48
New girls from Santiago may be arriving into Sosua. But it shows that DR is also getting aggressive in Santiago with girl oriented establishments /.
Pasion night club closed in Santiago.
The prosecutor's office in Santiago announced the shutdown of the Pasion night club located in LOS Transformadores off the Duarte Highway, near the community of Canabacoa. Jose Gomez and Juan Estrella, co-owners, were arrested in a raid that was conducted on the suspicion of violations of Law 36 on Firearms, Trafficking in People and Money Laundering. Reportedly, 32 women were rescued from sexual exploitation.
Listin Diario reports that Pasion is the second adult club to be closed in Santiago in less than three months. On 9 May 2016, the Casa Blanca adult club was closed. At the time, it was reported that dozens of women were rescued from sexual exploitation, according to prosecutor Luisa Liranzo.
http://www.diariolibre.com/noticias/...urno-CX4462756
Parkinson's is absolutely correct. Just yesterday BQ Ribs was in the airport in Jersey and it was a big group of African American kids and adults holding up the lines. The group was 49 plus deep and some had been pre-screened and some hadn't. BQ Ribs went up and asked where they were going and they said to a resort in Punta Cana. It seems it's an annual jaunt for this big group.I know many people who ask me about DR, but what they are asking is usually about Punta Cana, which is not DR. An awful lot of people from Canada are going down there to vacation, and like the other posters have said, Punta Cana has no labor laws so everything is a lot cheaper than other destinations.
The closest rival to Punta Cana for Canadians would be Cancun, which is much more expensive in comparison. They would never contemplate Sosua, because of its world wide reputation.
I was with my family in Punta Cana, they had been there before, and I asked them to go to dinner in town. Oh sure, they said we go to town all the time, so we got into two taxis and took off.
Turns out what they thought was "town", was some new little commercial Galleria that had a bank and shops and a couple of high end tourist restaurants.
I was there with my local GF and we both laughed at what they believed was the town.
Things could change, bur I don't think we'll be seeing a WaterPark or an Ocean World, in Sosua anytime soon!
Just lots of beautiful, cheap, pussy!
Can anyone provide a guesstimate of what I should expect to pay for pussy in Sosua this weekend (short term session).
Thanks.
I know many people who ask me about DR, but what they are asking is usually about Punta Cana, which is not DR. An awful lot of people from Canada are going down there to vacation, and like the other posters have said, Punta Cana has no labor laws so everything is a lot cheaper than other destinations.
The closest rival to Punta Cana for Canadians would be Cancun, which is much more expensive in comparison. They would never contemplate Sosua, because of its world wide reputation.
I was with my family in Punta Cana, they had been there before, and I asked them to go to dinner in town. Oh sure, they said we go to town all the time, so we got into two taxis and took off.
Turns out what they thought was "town", was some new little commercial Galleria that had a bank and shops and a couple of high end tourist restaurants.
I was there with my local GF and we both laughed at what they believed was the town.
Things could change, bur I don't think we'll be seeing a WaterPark or an Ocean World, in Sosua anytime soon!
Just lots of beautiful, cheap, pussy!There is an Ocean World not that far from Sosua, just a few miles northwest of Puerto Plata. I have been there. The dolphin show is excellent and you can also handle sharks, if you like.
Mr Enternational
07-28-16, 05:41
My point is Sosua will eventually go the way of Copacabana if the Dominicans keep biting the hands that feed them.And which way did Copacabana go? They closed Help Disco and Balcony Bar and stopped hookers from hanging out at Meia Pataca cafe. (They do, however, still hang out at Mab's cafe.) Hookers no longer hang at the beach. Hell, even the top couple of escort websites shut down. The residents got what they wanted. The neighborhood has not even hiccupped from it.
We are talking Rio, a metro of 13 million that has hosted the World Cup and will be hosting the Olympic Games, versus Sosua/Puerto Plata that most of the world has never even heard of with 300,000 residents.
50 mongers at any time who made those 4 places their only hunting ground did not interfere with the local economy because they did not return. Copacabana is still a top attraction among Brazilian and foreign tourists alike. And the mongers who diversified and got to know other places such as the privees and casas and termas downtown as well as Vila Mimosa and meeting non-pro chicks online, have not skipped a beat.
Punta Cana has better hotels, better beaches and more beautiful sea than Puerto Plata and Sosua. More than 9 million arrivals to PUJ in 2015 and 2 million to STI and POP together. It's very difficult for Puerto Plata province to compete with Punta Cana / Bavaro.
Ipanema Carioca
07-28-16, 17:51
Sosua/Puerto Plata that most of the world has never even heard of with 300,000 residents.
That wasn't the point. The point is Sosua's business practices will make that small town and geographical economy lose the biggest tourist draw it has.
That wasn't the point. The point is Copacabana is still a top attraction among Brazilian and foreign tourists alike. And the mongers who diversified and got to know other places such as the privees and casas and termas downtown as well as Vila Mimosa and meeting non-pro chicks online, have not skipped a beat.
I prefer to stay in centro hotels to meet non-pro chicks in Lapa and office workers or shop girls, visit the office buildings, privees, casas, or take the boat to Niteroi. Online dating, never!!! Do you pay attention to the world's economic situation? The Euro has gotten a lot weaker and is slipping every day, and Brasil is suffering from it's worst economy since the 1930's. On that, Europeans and Brasilians use to come to Copa but no longer, and they are dumping their Rio apartments to liquidate for cash on hand especially with a weak real that will get even weaker after the Olympics.
But no way was I comparing Sosua to Rio! You miss understood! My point is if Sosua's mayor keeps screwing arounds with something that is not broken it will get broke.
Mr Enternational
07-29-16, 02:13
Do you pay attention to the world's economic situation? The Euro has gotten a lot weaker and is slipping every day, and Brasil is suffering from it's worst economy since the 1930's. On that, Europeans and Brasilians use to come to Copa but no longer, and they are dumping their Rio apartments to liquidate for cash on hand especially with a weak real that will get even weaker after the Olympics.Do I pay attention to the world's economic situation? Well I can tell you that I did work on my MBA in Rio, so I am more familiar with the Brazilian economy than most others. And maybe prostitution is Sosua's biggest draw, but it most certainly has never been Copacabana's biggest draw. Hell, my first time in Brazil was with my ex wife. We stayed at the Windsor Hotel on Copacabana Beach and at that time I had no idea of the prostitution that was there. Not until over a year later when I returned with some friends who already knew the scene was I tuned into it.
But my point is that you alluded to the banishing of prostitution in Copacabana as being the reason that Copacabana went whichever way (as you said the same fate awaits Sosua if "Dominicans keep biting the hands that feeds them.") Now you are saying the Euro is weak and the Brazilian economy is bad so the Copa neighborhood is suffering. A handfull of mongers at any given time would do nothing to prop up neither a neighborhood of 150,000, a weak Euro, nor a country that you say is suffering from its worst economy. And what benefit did anyone in Copa receive from mongers and hookers? They only patroned a couple of restaurants and the apartment owners that they rented from did not even live in the neighborhood.
That is why I can't see the comparison you are making between Copacabana and Sosua. I guess you could have just as well said Sosua is going to go the way of Detroit or Kansas. Nobody in Brazil is saying if we would not have driven off the mongers and the hookers from Copacabana, then the economy would not be in the shitter, because one had no bearing on the other.
Ipanema Carioca
07-29-16, 16:57
But my point is that you alluded to the banishing of prostitution in Copacabana as being the reason that Copacabana went whichever way (as you said the same fate awaits Sosua if "Dominicans keep biting the hands that feeds them.") Now you are saying the Euro is weak and the Brazilian economy is bad so the Copa neighborhood is suffering. A handfull of mongers at any given time would do nothing to prop up neither a neighborhood of 150,000, a weak Euro, nor a country that you say is suffering from its worst economy. And what benefit did anyone in Copa receive from mongers and hookers? They only patroned a couple of restaurants and the apartment owners that they rented from did not even live in the neighborhood.You missed another point. I was talking about the cash flow from mongers. I mention that the cash spent by the girls spent in Copa by the girls; the apartments they rented for high fees, the clothes they bought, their hair and nails fees. I think you're seeing things from an American male tourist POV, which is not from a carioca POV. Just the unofficial changing of Euros and US dollars is missed for the money cambios isn't the same. I still speak to Bobby of Blame it on Rio and his office manager Dani and my opinion is based on their boots on the ground opinion besides my own recent visits. Marcos who rent the chairs on Hoe Beach I talk to will tell you that business is not as good as it was. They will tell you the politicians fucked up a great cash flow that today's tourists visiting can't compare. I wasn't talking about the mongers who sat at Mei Pataca and Bibis. LOL!
That is why I can't see the comparison you are making between Copacabana and Sosua. I guess you could have just as well said Sosua is going to go the way of Detroit or Kansas. Nobody in Brazil is saying if we would not have driven off the mongers and the hookers from Copacabana, then the economy would not be in the shitter, because one had no bearing on the other.Sosua will go the same way, because Sosua before they started closing bars was "fish in a barrel" for lazy mongers. Now it is on and off a respirator. Ask the unemployed "Dominican Sosua food chain" who are unemployed. The beach is the only place, but that's for nonpro hoes and families. Like Copa I left the Golden triangle long before Help closed, and I still can do my thing in Rio without the old day level of hoes. Hell, there are more Copa hoes in the US because of simps marrying them. For me I can do without the PC strip if needed be. The closing of the bars will mean less weekend warrior crowd, but cheaper hotel rooms and the price of the girls will go down in a buyer's market. My expat friends in Sosua who migrated from Copa, or Rio communities, will tell you that even with the PC shut down the hoes are still around with nothing else to do. There is no money in the DR for Dominicans. Sosua is even having a water crisis, and the girls like simple things like a nice hotel shower. It's all resetting to default in Sosua and Rio after the games back to their 3rd world comfort zones, where hunger and deprivation of dreams is the norm, unfortunately. As the girls who went to college and graduated just to work in hotels and restaurants with their uneducated fellow Dominican or carioca. Ask the cops who beg tourists for 50 pesos to put gas in their personal motoconchos so they can ride around Sosua two at a time patrols. The cops will miss those gringo tips. And unlike Rio, the cops do not have Olympic athletes to kidnap and rob like they did to New Zealand Jiu-jitsu athlete Jason Lee, http://www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/36883479. Y'all do not have to panic. LOL!
Trip report day 1:
I arrived yesterday around 7 pm. Everything was pretty smooth except the driver the hotel sent ran out of gas midway through the journey. He was pretty apologetic and it was no big deal but for a second I was a bit worried it would take an hour to get it. Luckily some dude on a motorcycle saw us and brought us a can of gas from down the road. People here seem friendly when they're not trying to offer you drugs or sell you crap.
Classico and Rumbas were not open, so the big hang out was Bourbon Street bar. On my way over to the bar, I saw a beautiful girl but resisted the temptation to just go with first chica I saw. Scoped out Bourbon Street: most of the girls didn't appeal to me, and I was all nervous because of my new surroundings. While I was sipping a Presidente, the beautiful girl from before walks by. I could sort of tell from the front that she had an amazing ass and beautiful skin, but seeing it from behind I knew I wanted her. I wave her down and she takes a seat. Ask her a few questions in my shitty Spanish, and eventually she says why don't we speak in English. (Red flag #1). After I run out of things to ask her, and the conversation feels forced because she's not really trying (red flag #2), I ask her to come to my hotel room. She asks for 3000 p and doesn't budge on the price. Being sort of eager to pop my Sosua cherry, I agreed.
In the room, she's pretty cold and was clearly annoyed when I denied her request to pay up front. I tried to get her to loosen up with some music and dancing, but it was clear she was just trying to get in and out as fast as possible. She didn't really want to kiss me, doesn't even pretend to enjoy it. Too much of that kind of stuff kills the mood.
All in all, my first Sosua girl was a let down. BUT, I have learned a couple of lessons, and I'm expecting Classico to be bumping.
Riky Rapido
07-29-16, 18:36
Punta Cana has better hotels, better beaches and more beautiful sea than Puerto Plata and Sosua. More than 9 million arrivals to PUJ in 2015 and 2 million to STI and POP together. It's very difficult for Puerto Plata province to compete with Punta Cana / Bavaro.60 miles of resorts, that is a lot of cement. For me, laying on a beach all day is boring. I will take the mountains, the trees, the people of the North any time over the boring landscape of Punta Cana.
60 miles of resorts, that is a lot of cement. For me, laying on a beach all day is boring. I will take the mountains, the trees, the people of the North any time over the boring landscape of Punta Cana.You are absolutely right. Me too, but most of the tourists don't seem to think that way. Venturing outside your comfort zone, may it be Pedro Clisante or a AI is too risky for most. They should try something different in Puerto Plata/Sosua from what they are doing in Punta Cana.
Mr Enternational
07-29-16, 19:59
You missed another point. I was talking about the cash flow from mongers. I mention that the cash spent by the girls spent in Copa by the girls; the apartments they rented for high fees, the clothes they bought, their hair and nails fees. I think you're seeing things from an American male tourist POV, which is not from a carioca POV. Just the unofficial changing of Euros and US dollars is missed for the money cambios isn't the same. I still speak to Bobby of Blame it on Rio and his office manager Dani and my opinion is based on their boots on the ground opinion besides my own recent visits. Marcos who rent the chairs on Hoe Beach I talk to will tell you that business is not as good as it was. They will tell you the politicians fucked up a great cash flow that today's tourists visiting can't compare.You could count the Copacabana hookers that actually lived in the same area on 2 hands. And they didn't even live alone, but lived 2 or 3 to a place. I still say that the absence of mongering has had no economic effect on the neighborhood. Bobby and John are not even Brazilian. They moved there to cash in on the mongers. So of course they are going to hurt if the mongers are gone. The part that people called Hoe Beach was not even a swath. The area of beach that the mongers and hookers were confined to wasn't even half a block. So maybe a couple of chair vendors did lose some clientele. What businesses or hotels had to close their doors because of an absence of mongers? JW Marriott is still open for business. Copacabana Palace is not hurting for its rooms to be filled. Big Nectar is still serving up sandwiches 24 hours / day. None of the bus routes have been cut. Copacabana is a large neighborhood (did I mention 150,000 people) with countless stores, restaurants, banks, post office, shops, movie theater, 2 metro rail stations and mostly retired old people. A few mongers did nothing to add value to their neighborhood. That is why they wanted that shit gone.
The closing of the bars will mean less weekend warrior crowd, but cheaper hotel rooms and the price of the girls will go down in a buyer's market.Now YOU are thinking like a gringo. You know good and well that when business is bad they increase the prices to try to compensate. In the days that things were good for mongers in Rio my studio apartment was $500/ month. That place has more than doubled in cost now. And I have the same size place in Thailand for $125. And last time I was in Rio, Copacabana hookers were talking about 400 reais for all night, when in the good old days they were happy with 100 reais for all night.
https://www.sosuaevents.com/sosua-changes-july-2016/
ForceSteeler
07-29-16, 22:20
You could count the Copacabana hookers that actually lived in the same area on 2 hands. And they didn't even live alone, but lived 2 or 3 to a place. I still say that the absence of mongering has had no economic effect on the neighborhood. Bobby and John are not even Brazilian. They moved there to cash in on the mongers. So of course they are going to hurt if the mongers are gone. The part that people called Hoe Beach was not even a swath. The area of beach that the mongers and hookers were confined to wasn't even half a block. So maybe a couple of chair vendors did lose some clientele. What businesses or hotels had to close their doors because of an absence of mongers? JW Marriott is still open for business. Copacabana Palace is not hurting for its rooms to be filled. Big Nectar is still serving up sandwiches 24 hours / day. None of the bus routes have been cut. Copacabana is a large neighborhood (did I mention 150,000 people) with countless stores, restaurants, banks, post office, shops, movie theater, 2 metro rail stations and mostly retired old people. A few mongers did nothing to add value to their neighborhood. That is why they wanted that shit gone.
Now YOU are thinking like a gringo. You know good and well that when business is bad they increase the prices to try to compensate. In the days that things were good for mongers in Rio my studio apartment was $500/ month. That place has more than doubled in cost now. And I have the same size place in Thailand for $125. And last time I was in Rio, Copacabana hookers were talking about 400 reais for all night, when in the good old days they were happy with 100 reais for all night.You guys can't compare a country like Brazil with 200 Million people, (9 million alone in Rio De Janerio) to a small island like the Dominican Republic Sousa. Copacabana and Ipanema have a lot of Rich Brazilians and Rich Foreigners that live and work around that area. So Hotels, Restaurants, etc. Are not going to be hurt if mongers don't show up to Brazil anymore, even when you go to the termas. You hardly see Foreigners. Its mostly rich Brazilian Business men, Police Officers, Doctors, etc. When I go to the 4 x 4 Termas I might meet about 1-2 Americans or Europeans, the rest are Brazilian. It would help that a place like help was still open but in Brazil those business on Copacabana can still survive without the gringo dollar, there is a lot of well to do Brazilians.
Now in a place like Sousa is going to be hurt if mongers stop showing up, Hotels like New Gardens, and Clubs like Classicos are going to hurt, because Sousa is a very small town. The Expat community is small, and most Dominicans are broke and poor. The ones that are rich you won't catch them spending money in a place like Sousa. They need the Gringo Dollar because its a small community.
For some reason my other post wasn't cleared by the moderator, or it somehow wasn't submitted properly.
In summary, I arrived yesterday. There were a good number of girls on the strip, most of them didn't appeal to me, but some beautiful girls. I grabbed one and after negotiating poorly, she was really cold in the bedroom.
This afternoon, more of the same. Met a girl on the strip who was pretty but didn't vet her properly. When we got to the room, she was sort of bitchy and stole 200 pesos of change from my pockets when she took some gum. Like the girl from last night, she spoke a bit of English. Should I just auto-reject a girl who speaks some English? Hoping things pick up a lot when I go to Classico tonight. I've mostly been chilling at the hotel to avoid the touts, and it's really hot outside.
The hotel I'm at is OK, not much to complain about. Almost no one is here, and I think I might be one of a handful of young white guys in Sosua.
Ipanema Carioca
07-29-16, 23:28
Now YOU are thinking like a gringo.Hell, I am a gringo, and so are you! LOL!
Mr Enternational
07-30-16, 01:20
This afternoon, more of the same. Met a girl on the strip who was pretty but didn't vet her properly. When we got to the room, she was sort of bitchy and stole 200 pesos of change from my pockets when she took some gum.Damn bro. Unless you had 8 25 peso pieces I would say she did you a favor. You are probably walking around feeling about 10 pounds lighter now. You must have been walking with a gangster lean before that.
I cared less about the 200 pesos than the blatant disrespect. She had a pretty nice car and demanded my Whatsapp number but scurried like a rat at the sight of $4.50! Hope to meet some nicer girls tonight and tomorrow.
Ipanema Carioca
07-30-16, 02:02
Wait! What conversation are you looking at? What's comparing countries?
You guys can't compare a country like Brazil with 200 Million people, (9 million alone in Rio De Janerio) to a small island like the Dominican Republic Sousa. Copacabana and Ipanema have a lot of Rich Brazilians and Rich Foreigners that live and work around that area. So Hotels, Restaurants, etc. Are not going to be hurt if mongers don't show up to Brazil anymore, even when you go to the termas. You hardly see Foreigners. Its mostly rich Brazilian Business men, Police Officers, Doctors, etc. When I go to the 4 x 4 Termas I might meet about 1-2 Americans or Europeans, the rest are Brazilian. It would help that a place like help was still open but in Brazil those business on Copacabana can still survive without the gringo dollar, there is a lot of well to do Brazilians.
Now in a place like Sousa is going to be hurt if mongers stop showing up, Hotels like New Gardens, and Clubs like Classicos are going to hurt, because Sousa is a very small town. The Expat community is small, and most Dominicans are broke and poor. The ones that are rich you won't catch them spending money in a place like Sousa. They need the Gringo Dollar because its a small community..
Ath Trainer
07-30-16, 02:32
Trip report day 1:
I arrived yesterday around 7 pm. Everything was pretty smooth except the driver the hotel sent ran out of gas midway through the journey. He was pretty apologetic and it was no big deal but for a second I was a bit worried it would take an hour to get it. Luckily some dude on a motorcycle saw us and brought us a can of gas from down the road. People here seem friendly when they're not trying to offer you drugs or sell you crap.
Classico and Rumbas were not open, so the big hang out was Bourbon Street bar. On my way over to the bar, I saw a beautiful girl but resisted the temptation to just go with first chica I saw. Scoped out Bourbon Street: most of the girls didn't appeal to me, and I was all nervous because of my new surroundings. While I was sipping a Presidente, the beautiful girl from before walks by. I could sort of tell from the front that she had an amazing ass and beautiful skin, but seeing it from behind I knew I wanted her. I wave her down and she takes a seat. Ask her a few questions in my shitty Spanish, and eventually she says why don't we speak in English. (Red flag #1). After I run out of things to ask her, and the conversation feels forced because she's not really trying (red flag #2), I ask her to come to my hotel room. She asks for 3000 p and doesn't budge on the price. Being sort of eager to pop my Sosua cherry, I agreed
In the room, she's pretty cold and was clearly annoyed when I denied her request to pay up front. I tried to get her to loosen up with some music and dancing, but it was clear she was just trying to get in and out as fast as possible. She didn't really want to kiss me, doesn't even pretend to enjoy it. Too much of that kind of stuff kills the mood
All in all, my first Sosua girl was a let down. BUT, I have learned a couple of lessons, and I'm expecting Classico to be bumping.Been there done that. Don't be in a hurry to pick a chica. You will end up overpaying, and being disappointed with looks and performance. They keep on showing up. No hurry. I hate when I do it. Especially when I'm only in town a couple nights.
Many times a girl who speaks good English is a wiley veteran, and not your best choice. If your Spanish is limited, you feel a comfort zone with a girl who speaks your language. There's always an exception, though. Met a Dominican girl in St. Martin. Spoke excellent English. Learned from school not the streets. Was the sweatest, pretty little thing you could imagine.
For some reason my other post wasn't cleared by the moderator, or it somehow wasn't submitted properly.
In summary, I arrived yesterday. There were a good number of girls on the strip, most of them didn't appeal to me, but some beautiful girls. I grabbed one and after negotiating poorly, she was really cold in the bedroom.
This afternoon, more of the same. Met a girl on the strip who was pretty but didn't vet her properly. When we got to the room, she was sort of bitchy and stole 200 pesos of change from my pockets when she took some gum. Like the girl from last night, she spoke a bit of English. Should I just auto-reject a girl who speaks some English? Hoping things pick up a lot when I go to Classico tonight. I've mostly been chilling at the hotel to avoid the touts, and it's really hot outside.
The hotel I'm at is OK, not much to complain about. Almost no one is here, and I think I might be one of a handful of young white guys in Sosua.Just try to focus on chatting with the girls and finding one whom you seem to click with, where there is some kind of mutual attraction. Many of the chicas are going to know a few phrases of English these days. It is easy to underestimate how difficult it is to obtain satisfactory experiences when everything in the environment is new to you, but probably after a couple of days you will be more relaxed and things will flow more easily. Most of the guys who write regularly on this board have had sex with scores, hundreds, or even thousands of chicas, so they have a rather different perspective.
I also got the word both clubs are closed down. Thank you for the confirmation and the on the ground report Ath
I also got the word both clubs are closed down. Thank you for the confirmation and the on the ground report AthWhat do you all think about this information. Thanks Grownman for the update!
Mr Enternational
07-30-16, 15:42
What do you all think about this information. Thanks Grownman for the update!Everybody already said that things would be back to normal soon, so... But what is the other club besides Clasico?
SavePros321
07-30-16, 15:54
I also got the word both clubs are closed down. Thank you for the confirmation and the on the ground report AthThe question is did it open up on the weekend. Others have already reported that it is closed during the week and is only supposed to open on the weekend (I think Revere was the first to report this).
Let's see what NZSmith reports back with.
I just read about Pantie Man on FB. I guess he was found dead in his apartment?
Anyone else have any information?I missed this earlier.
He was part of the Sosua I knew and he always had something in that truck worth buying. He knew which chicas to target with what.
I will miss his happy smile and sense of humor about his gayness.
Add him to the list of casualties that includes another Sosua icon, tranny Naomi, who I also knew fairly well.
The alternate lifestyle down there is a dangerous business.
Classico was open and very busy. Don't know the gender ratio, definitely way more women than men. (At first I was just in the bar and didn't understand why people were obsessed with the place. Then I realized the upstairs was where it was at!) Went against my own intentions and within 20 minutes picked up a hottie who was really nice. I will be back tonight.
FuckAfMedDig
07-30-16, 17:52
And which way did Copacabana go? They closed Help Disco and Balcony Bar and stopped hookers from hanging out at Meia Pataca cafe. (They do, however, still hang out at Mab's cafe.) Hookers no longer hang at the beach. Hell, even the top couple of escort websites shut down. The residents got what they wanted. The neighborhood has not even hiccupped from it.
We are talking Rio, a metro of 13 million that has hosted the World Cup and will be hosting the Olympic Games, versus Sosua/Puerto Plata that most of the world has never even heard of with 300,000 residents.
50 mongers at any time who made those 4 places their only hunting ground did not interfere with the local economy because they did not return. Copacabana is still a top attraction among Brazilian and foreign tourists alike. And the mongers who diversified and got to know other places such as the privees and casas and termas downtown as well as Vila Mimosa and meeting non-pro chicks online, have not skipped a beat.This is correct. Monger diversification is a natural evolution. You can't keep coming to the same spots when you know better. In Copa spots like Monte Carlo are really only for the green gringo and some Brazilians with money.
The wise gringo is bangin the girl from MC outside pretending to be dating them and leading them on a bit!
SavePros321
07-30-16, 18:26
Classico was open and very busy. Don't know the gender ratio, definitely way more women than men. (At first I was just in the bar and didn't understand why people were obsessed with the place. Then I realized the upstairs was where it was at!) Went against my own intentions and within 20 minutes picked up a hottie who was really nice. I will be back tonight.Thanks for reporting back NZSmith.
And you did it correctly with following your instincts (picking a hottie quickly). The hot ones usually get snatched up pretty fast, so no point in waiting around all night hoping to get a grand bargain.
Manizales911
07-31-16, 15:51
I also got the word both clubs are closed down. Thank you for the confirmation and the on the ground report AthClassico's is open on Friday and Saturday nights only.
Trip report day 1: Classico and Rumbas were not open, so the big hang out was Bourbon Street bar. On my way over to the bar, I saw a beautiful girl but resisted the temptation to just go with first chica I saw. Scoped out Bourbon Street: most of the girls didn't appeal to me, and I was all nervous because of my new surroundings. While I was sipping a Presidente, the beautiful girl from before walks by. I could sort of tell from the front that she had an amazing ass and beautiful skin, but seeing it from behind I knew I wanted her. I wave her down and she takes a seat. Ask her a few questions in my shitty Spanish, and eventually she says why don't we speak in English. (Red flag #1). After I run out of things to ask her, and the conversation feels forced because she's not really trying (red flag #2), I ask her to come to my hotel room. She asks for 3000 p and doesn't budge on the price. Being sort of eager to pop my Sosua cherry, I agreed.
In the room, she's pretty cold and was clearly annoyed when I denied her request to pay up front. I tried to get her to loosen up with some music and dancing, but it was clear she was just trying to get in and out as fast as possible. She didn't really want to kiss me, doesn't even pretend to enjoy it. Too much of that kind of stuff kills the mood.
All in all, my first Sosua girl was a let down. BUT, I have learned a couple of lessons, and I'm expecting Classico to be bumping.I know when a guy is new even with a shitload of intel, advice, and instincts, theres a tendency to throw some caution to the wind and wing it and see what happens. It's good you had an opportunity to experience what you did. Now for the record, your experience could have gone another way. She could have been pleasant, appreciative, fun to be with and more. It's not always easy to predict what you are going to get from each chica.
However, each individual monger can try to strike a balance between taking a risk with an unknown chica, vs paying close attention to certain details, yellow and red flags. Also bearing in mind that chicas are also sizing you up too. A new guy trying to strike up a normal conversation is going to make an impression about you. And it may not be a good one. Personally, I like to keep things very light with them. I don't try to get to know them, don't need to know if they have children, nothing personal that I really don't give a shit about. To do so, can make a guy look like he doesn't realize she is a hooker playing a role. Most of them got boyfriends, chulos, western union novios and husbands. So it kinda is unnecessary to get that deep into them on a personal level. Further, a guy should not necessarily expect a hooker to be "getting into you" on a personal level either. She's there to make money, and not every chica has time to market herself and behave as a paid escort.
Sounds like the moment she joined you she started taking control. You wanted to make things seem more like a personble encounter, hoping she may respond in kind. She on the other hand wanted to work towards getting back to your spot, hustle her money and split. So now that you had this happen, you have to determine what will your priorities be while you are mongering. Would you prefer to have more semblance of control in your future dealings, or will your desire for a particular chica have you disregarding pertinent details?
At the time you both were discussing price, you apparently had your own price. Whatever that was, I assume you made her aware of your price. And if she then tells you she wants 3000, then it's up to you not to budge from your price. Not you accepting her price because she won't budge. Hopefully all of this negotiating was done before leaving to go to your spot? You could if you want, ask the chica what is she providing for 3000 that you can't get from her for 2000? By the time I may ask that question, I've probably already decided to leave her alone. I would just thank her for stopping by.
Next in your spot. When that chica asked for money up front, that was a definite sign of potential trouble ahead. There are several chicas out there asking for money up front. Thats because what's to come next is not going to be satisfying to the guy, and they know it. So they want to secure the money up front. In addition, your newness lets them know that they can attempt to get you to pay up front. Good for you, you didn't let it happen. Knowledgeable vets would rarely ever pay a chica up front for services not rendered. Thats not how its done. IMO, that chica should have been showed the door. You had enough to go on to dismiss her entirely.
Getting back to general vetting conversation. Especially with these cute chicas, I think it's a good idea of going over some basics. If the chica doesn't seem very sociable or you feel like you are interrogating the chica, then just get to the point of things you need to know. Like, telling her the services you want. BBBJ or with a condom. kissing, massages etc, That you only pay when done. And anything else you have in mind. Be careful about negotiating time with these chicas. For instance, a chica may say she wants 3000 for 2 hrs.
Trust me, the minute you bust a nut most chicas will be ready to bounce and expect to get paid 3000. She (for the most part) aint going to stay for 2 full hrs. So don't pay for hours or her time. Pay for leches / sex, Sounds more practical telling a chica you will give her 1500 to 2500 for 1 leche / sex, And add that you only need 1 HR of sex. If you bust a nut in 25 minutes, no problem. You pay 1500 to 2500 and your happy. But nobody wants to be bamboozled by some chica telling him he's paying 3000 for 2 hrs. Which essentially is 1500 per hour. If your done in 40 minutes, and got to pay 3000, that may not sit well.
And don't forget if a chica is asking for a lot of money, your time should start in your hotel room when you are having sex, not in the bar. And that's one of the things you can discuss upfront in the bar / restaurant. Thats meaningful and productive conversation. Not how many kids she's got, and does she have a boyfriend. Some chicas are going to try to eat up your time, by wasting it supposedly in the bathroom, fucking with their telephones etc, or some other bullshit. Be mindful, some chicas are in the bathroom a while because they are on their periods. And they are trying to clean up good, so you don't see it until later.
All in all, you have nothing to lose by taking it slow and not being too eager. Personally I thinks it's best being pursued rather than chasing women. If you feel free to do so, you can offer a chicas you are unsure of, YOUR number to call or whatsapp you. You may vet her a little more by text. If you want to take the plunge you can advise her that you are willing to give her a try at your price. And also that if she is good, you will offer her repeat business and references to other guys. If she doesn't bite, so what? You probably avoided something you could do without. Better to do that, then you taking her number and chasing a hooker. "Hey baby! I have money, I have the 3000 you want. I want you to come to my hotel. " Thirsty dudes who let their loins do most of the thinking, can be seen coming a mile away.
This is not intended to be gospel. Just one mans opinion / perspective. Something to think about.
Mr Enternational
08-01-16, 07:34
Also bearing in mind that chicas are also sizing you up too. A new guy trying to strike up a normal conversation is going to make an impression about you. And it may not be a good one. Personally, I like to keep things very light with them. I don't try to get to know them, don't need to know if they have children, nothing personal that I really don't give a shit about. To do so, can make a guy look like he doesn't realize she is a hooker playing a role. Most of them got boyfriends, chulos, western union novios and husbands. So it kinda is unnecessary to get that deep into them on a personal level. Further, a guy should not necessarily expect a hooker to be "getting into you" on a personal level either. She's there to make money, and not every chica has time to market herself and behave as a paid escort.Great post Wrx. I shall add it to ROD later. A lot of guys talk of vetting, but as I say to the girls a lot of times when they try to start small talk. Names don't matter. You are here for money and I am here to fuck. We already know that. To me there is no sense in acting like that is not the case and pussyfooting around like you want to know shit that you don't give a damn about (except for maybe fantasy's sake). That is the reason I have no problem walking up to a chick and saying let's go without saying anything else.
As I was saying in the Medellin thread the other day, I also don't act like the girl is doing me a favor by giving me pussy. I see it more as it is her lucky day that I am going to give up these x amount of pesos to her. My attitude is that she needs this money more than I need to fuck her. And I never have to run down a list of things that I need her to do. Unless it is some out of the ordinary stuff like anal, I find that nature always takes its course. If I want to wiz on a broad then I get in the shower with her and just start doing it. None of that asking shit. Just SURPRISE! I am there for fun, not to check off an itemized sex list. I like to play it by ear, always remembering that my mileage may vary.
To each his own but some guys like to have fun, while some other guys choose to simplify it to "The act". Some head straight to "go"and collect while others prefer to run the board and find that more rewarding.
Grabbing the girl and saying "lets go "without the proper vetting, can sometimes lead to misunderstandings latter but I'm sure this has never happened to Mr E.
By vetting them and in essence putting them on your time you have already established that they don't control the situation. Small chit-chat is vital not because you care but because you are testing their patience. One guarantee for a bad session is a girl who is rushing and strictly business.
My trip last week I hung with an ex pro who had grown tired of the business. My trip before last week I always thought she was gorgeous but always in a rush and pushy so I passed. Guys only interested in a quick fuck and no conversation would enjoy this hardcore Chica probably.
Even on whatsup she asked too many damn questions which turned me off and made me call her on it. Well this trip she was total different. She hated the strip and wouldn't go nowhere near it. She stayed at home all day watching TV and living with her sister and the sisters baby. She was no longer pushy or asking questions. She was now making my time a priority and showed extreme patience. In the bedroom I was even more surprised. She was very tight and was uncomfortable on entry. Why doesn't this ex working girl have a big pussy I thought? Maybe it was probably because her sex game before was strictly a hustle for unsuspecting guys in a rush. She would probably rush them into a trap and then make excuses in the bedroom. Once that went sour she would probably act crazy and make a scene because the guy let her control the situation by not vetting her.
Her sex game wasn't mind blowing but she was so pretty that I enjoyed seeing her getting fucked. She hung out exercising extreme patience and just wanted someone who didn't treat her like a trick. I completely enjoyed her company. Money was never discussed beforehand. She came by at 11: am and it was now 6 pm. We fucked 3 times, at a pizza, slept, watched TV, sat on the balcony drinking a presidente and she twerk danced for me to reaggaeton music. I slipped 1500 pesos in her purse while she took a shower getting ready to leave. By properly vetting her and putting her on my time and having her completely understand it was about my schedule, we were able to have an enjoyable day. A guy rushing and not caring would probably get that hardcore girl in her by the tone he set.
Great post Wrx. I shall add it to ROD later. A lot of guys talk of vetting, but as I say to the girls a lot of times when they try to start small talk. Names don't matter. You are here for money and I am here to fuck. We already know that. To me there is no sense in acting like that is not the case and pussyfooting around like you want to know shit that you don't give a damn about (except for maybe fantasy's sake). That is the reason I have no problem walking up to a chick and saying let's go without saying anything else.
As I was saying in the Medellin thread the other day, I also don't act like the girl is doing me a favor by giving me pussy. I see it more as it is her lucky day that I am going to give up these x amount of pesos to her. My attitude is that she needs this money more than I need to fuck her. And I never have to run down a list of things that I need her to do. Unless it is some out of the ordinary stuff like anal, I find that nature always takes its course. If I want to wiz on a broad then I get in the shower with her and just start doing it. None of that asking shit. Just SURPRISE! I am there for fun, not to check off an itemized sex list. I like to play it by ear, always remembering that my mileage may vary.That's one way to roll, I guess.
But those of you who are complaining here that Sosua is not what it used to be, and that the chicas have become hardened and impatient, and it's time to move on, might find some of the reasons in posts like this.
As I was saying in the Medellin thread the other day, I also don't act like the girl is doing me a favor by giving me pussy. I see it more as it is her lucky day that I am going to give up these x amount of pesos to her. My attitude is that she needs this money more than I need to fuck her. Thats how I feel now. I don't go out of my way of being arrogant about it. It's just that I go about the matter like I am just as important as she is. And in this culture like any other, women tend to acknowledge assertiveness and confidence even if they don't respect the individual (because they may see most men as marks renting pussy).
And I never have to run down a list of things that I need her to do. Unless it is some out of the ordinary stuff like anal, I find that nature always takes its course. If I want to wiz on a broad then I get in the shower with her and just start doing it. None of that asking shit. Just SURPRISE! I am there for fun, not to check off an itemized sex list. I like to play it by ear, always remembering that my mileage may vary.I agree, especially if that works for the individual. A vet can roll like that, after so much experience and encounters. I too like things to be spontaneous and natural. However sometimes, a guy needs to know some things up front. Like whether a chica uses a condom for a BJ or not. For me, I absolutely do not want a BJ with a condom. I want to know that before I take her to my spot. Not after. In most instances, I will end it right there.
Makes sense that if a guy wanted to playfully do something with a chica in the shower, he can initiate that, and see the chicas reaction. But that is something you have the control of doing. A guy can't make a chica suck his dick without a condom if she don't want to. If its important, he can attempt to get certain things straight before taking her back to his spot.
When vetting it's about observing her responses that may give clues to her overall attitude and demeaner with you. It's not necessarily about running down a list. I want to give this chica every opportunity for me to bring out something, so I can reject her. Observing her, helps me to discern things about her that may result in me wasting my time and money, After all, the sexual experience starts in the brain. If a guy is turned off by the chica, or senses major attitude or indifference, it's likely to be a waste of time. Anybody can get a sexy chica to come back to his spot. But it's their chemistry together that may make all the difference, between a decent encounter vs a bad one.
Like we both may agree. Our money and time is just as important as theirs. On the other hand, I do mix it up some times. I do not always vett. Sometimes I make quick assessments, take chances and go with the flow.
Sometimes things turned out ok, other experiences helped remind me of why vetting chicas is still a valuable practice. We all would like more natural encounters with these women. But these days, many of these females (locals in general not just women) make it a full time job of catching a mugg napping. They will seize any opportunity they can to exploit a weakness, an uninformed decision, a risky judgement, failing to get something straight, being treated like a stupid tourist, being more impressed by their beauty / sex appeal than paying attention to blatant details.
Mr Enternational
08-01-16, 13:17
That's one way to roll, I guess.
But those of you who are complaining here that Sosua is not what it used to be, and that the chicas have become hardened and impatient, and it's time to move on, might find some of the reasons in posts like this.Au contraire mon frere. Because of all the chicks I have hit in Sosua over the last 10 years, I have had a major problem with only 1. And 99% of the time I opt for long time. That 1 outlier chick must have been bipolar or something. Most of the time the chicks are trying to trade numbers and telling me to come see them in Santiago, Moca, or where ever else they may be from. And the most I have ever given a chick is I think 1800 for long time. So however I am rolling, though it may not be your style, I guess it works for the women.
I am reminded of the time I saw (I forgot the poster's name - but knew it was him because he posted about it later) in Merengue wearing a blazer, glasses, and carrying a composition book. He would call these chicks over and show them this book (I guess he had his checklist and was vetting them), and chick after chick would leave in disgust. Finally, I called one of the chicks over and asked why everyone kept leaving the guy. She said because he wants someone to fuck him with a strap-on and they were not with that shit.
I think Jackson finally banned him for writting about wanting/getting chicks to do that. But he may have come out better if he would have just sprung it on chicks in the room and been spontaneous with it rather than trying to plan it out.
Vetting for me is enjoyable. To each his own of course but if ypu only want to bust a nut you can masturbate or buy a sex doll. Some sessions can be that sterile There is a huge contrast banging a chica who want to have sex and one only complying. Casa girls sessions are almost always lame. Most guys are as anxious to the get the next sessions as the girls are to leave. I am not in a rush with the girls and a I prefer chicas who are comfortable.We have the money so we control much of what happens. Some girls cope by having game and will rip unsuspecting guys. No matter how good you think you are eventually you will get one of these bad girls. Not vetting results in more bad sessions. I have a few hard core girls who give me great sessions. They know how fuck and rock your world if motivated.
Charles Pooter
08-01-16, 16:15
... buy a sex doll. Get one made by ISIS. They blow themselves up.
Tempoecorto
08-01-16, 17:35
To each his own ....
Grabbing the girl and saying "lets go "without the proper vetting, can sometimes lead to misunderstandings latter but I'm sure this has never happened to Mr E.Jajaja! That was quite a dig at Mr. E, whose swag I like. Nothing untoward ever touches him, like the proverbial rain drops rolling away from the lotus leaves.
Having said this and without writing an academic treatise, I kind of agree with Mr. E, for the DR at least. If it were back home and I do not do it often, but in a club, I would definitely check for chemistry. In the DR, on the other hand, one can enjoy the spontaneity and go with the flow rather than having to check a laundry list also because the stakes are a lot lower. Clearly this depends on one's game: experience, linguistic and cultural comfort and ability of dealing with women. I never discussed money when I first went to Sosua and even this last trip, I picked three people walking about the town, day time, as they caught my fancy. Establishing some form of rapport is important but not having to vet, or at least not having to be religious about it, is one of the serious privileges of the place.
Mr Enternational
08-01-16, 17:45
There is a huge contrast banging a chica who want to have sex and one only complying. Casa girls sessions are almost always lame...Not vetting results in more bad sessions. How do you know this if you never go to casas? The last chick (see photo) I hit at a casa in Santo Domingo blew my socks off and I started seeing her outside of the casa. (I actually went there to look for the girl who blew my socks off the time before that, but didn't see her so I had to choose someone else.) When I took GrownMan to GBP he had a great session. When I took my wingman to the casa a chick from Santiago blew his socks off and she invited him to come stay at her house in Santiago. When I took my dad to GBP he said if he lived in Santo Domingo then he would stop there everyday after work. You must be doing something wrong!
And I do not vet and have never had a bad session in Sosua. The session with the person I had the problem with was damn good; it is just that she tried to pull some slick shit the next day.
I am reminded of the time I saw (I forgot the poster's name - but knew it was him because he posted about it later) in Merengue wearing a blazer, glasses, and carrying a composition book. He would call these chicks over and show them this book (I guess he had his checklist and was vetting them), and chick after chick would leave in disgust. Finally, I called one of the chicks over and asked why everyone kept leaving the guy. She said because he wants someone to fuck him with a strap-on and they were not with that shit.
I think Jackson finally banned him for writting about wanting/getting chicks to do that. But he may have come out better if he would have just sprung it on chicks in the room and been spontaneous with it rather than trying to plan it out.That is one difference between Brazilian and Dominican chicks. Brazilians are very open minded about sex. I would say more than half of the Brazilian girls advertising in the net offer the service. If there is so much offer, there must be some demand? I suppose.
Vetting for me is enjoyable. To each his own of course but if ypu only want to bust a nut you can masturbate or buy a sex doll. Some sessions can be that sterile There is a huge contrast banging a chica who want to have sex and one only complying. Casa girls sessions are almost always lame. Most guys are as anxious to the get the next sessions as the girls are to leave. I am not in a rush with the girls and a I prefer chicas who are comfortable.We have the money so we control much of what happens. Some girls cope by having game and will rip unsuspecting guys. No matter how good you think you are eventually you will get one of these bad girls. Not vetting results in more bad sessions. I have a few hard core girls who give me great sessions. They know how fuck and rock your world if motivated.So there is the GFE, PSE and SDE. I like erotic games, but haven't tried the sex doll experience, yet.
Recently the Association of Sustainable Sosa Development and the Association of Hotels and Restaurants of Sosua and Cabarete expressed support for the actions initiated last June to mitigate and contain the progress of the business of prostitution in Sosua and Cabarete.
It is an initiative driven by the Attorney General of the Republic, with the active participation of local heads of the Ministry of Tourism (July Almonte and Lorenzo Sancassani), CESTUR (Ignacio Pea Grullon), mayor of Sosa (Ileana Newman), National Police (Colonel Manuel Ant. Brito Quiroz) and Ministry of Interior (Waldo Musa); with the support of Attorney Francisco Dominguez Brito, ministers Francisco Javier Garca, Monchy Fadul and general pilot Juan Carlos Torres Robiou brigade. I.
Do not usually include many names of people, but this time, because the short list of merchants sex, that embarrass the community, it is campaigning to counter the first inter consistent effort made 8203;to prevent our first destination for sex tourism institutionalized.
They argue that 200 jobs are being lost. It would be good to count the thousands of jobs lost Sosa and Cabarete by the drop in tourism that began to register from 2001, with the visible deterioration of the economy without promoting sex tourism it has reversed, demonstrating that this is not the right strategy as proclaim the beneficiaries of this business which bars, restaurants, nightclubs and hotels do not bring development, but bring prostitution, drugs, corruption, abuse of adolescents and children, and indiscriminate sexual exploitation.
A Unlike other areas in Sosua and Cabarete tourism is inserted and is an intimate part of the community. Hotels, bars, restaurants and other tourist establishments share space with residents of the city.
In recent years some authorities looked to the left to not see on the right as the prostitution business grew and overflowed in the heart of Sosa. Information received from reliable sources claim that the actions taken by the authorities in the last six weeks have been successful and the downtown area of Sosa has ceased to be embraced by the prostitution market. The cry traders sex is a confirmation, but have already found support in the council, despite the position of mayor Ileana Newman.
Some sponsor the idea of creating a tolerance zone somewhere in the city. Do you fix what, ask?, Because doing this would be the institutionalization of Sosua and Cabarete as our first destination for sex tourism and Sosa not deserve that. What we should promote is to convert the urban area of Sosua and Cabarete as a NO TOLERANCE ZONE prostitution. It's the solution.
http://m.elcaribe.com.do/2016/07/29/zona-tolerancia-prostitucion
Recently the Association of Sustainable Sosa Development and the Association of Hotels and Restaurants of Sosua and Cabarete expressed support for the actions initiated last June to mitigate and contain the progress of the business of prostitution in Sosua and Cabarete.
It is an initiative driven by the Attorney General of the Republic, with the active participation of local heads of the Ministry of Tourism (July Almonte and Lorenzo Sancassani), CESTUR (Ignacio Pea Grullon), mayor of Sosa (Ileana Newman), National Police (Colonel Manuel Ant. Brito Quiroz) and Ministry of Interior (Waldo Musa); with the support of Attorney Francisco Dominguez Brito, ministers Francisco Javier Garca, Monchy Fadul and general pilot Juan Carlos Torres Robiou brigade. I.
Do not usually include many names of people, but this time, because the short list of merchants sex, that embarrass the community, it is campaigning to counter the first inter consistent effort made 8203;to prevent our first destination for sex tourism institutionalized.
They argue that 200 jobs are being lost. It would be good to count the thousands of jobs lost Sosa and Cabarete by the drop in tourism that began to register from 2001, with the visible deterioration of the economy without promoting sex tourism it has reversed, demonstrating that this is not the right strategy as proclaim the beneficiaries of this business which bars, restaurants, nightclubs and hotels do not bring development, but bring prostitution, drugs, corruption, abuse of adolescents and children, and indiscriminate sexual exploitation.
A Unlike other areas in Sosua and Cabarete tourism is inserted and is an intimate part of the community. Hotels, bars, restaurants and other tourist establishments share space with residents of the city.
In recent years some authorities looked to the left to not see on the right as the prostitution business grew and overflowed in the heart of Sosa. Information received from reliable sources claim that the actions taken by the authorities in the last six weeks have been successful and the downtown area of Sosa has ceased to be embraced by the prostitution market. The cry traders sex is a confirmation, but have already found support in the council, despite the position of mayor Ileana Newman.
Some sponsor the idea of creating a tolerance zone somewhere in the city. Do you fix what, ask?, Because doing this would be the institutionalization of Sosua and Cabarete as our first destination for sex tourism and Sosa not deserve that. What we should promote is to convert the urban area of Sosua and Cabarete as a NO TOLERANCE ZONE prostitution. It's the solution.
http://m.elcaribe.com.do/2016/07/29/zona-tolerancia-prostitucionNo pretense any more! Now there's no excuse to keep it open! It used to be a dating scene!
I'm OK, I got a GF down there, and she has lots of friends.
I feel sorry for the newbies. It used to be a magical mystery tour of a new culture, and you were in good hands with a chica who gave you what she could, her body and her world, in return for a little dinero.
Now it's:
"Names don't matter. You are here for money and I am here to fuck. We already know that. To me there is no sense in acting like that is not the case and pussyfooting around like you want to know shit that you don't give a damn about".
Some of these women are human, not animals. Your mileage obviously varied. You don't need Sosua. You appear to have missed the ones that were human. :)
If all mongers were like that I'd shut her down too! :)
But you missed a lot!
Might as well stay home!
Mr Enternational
08-02-16, 02:16
Might as well stay home!Or learn Spanish and stop being lazy by depending on Clisante! Learn the language and learn how to navigate a place during the good times, so if bad times come you will not be as affected by it.
Some of these women are human, not animals. Your mileage obviously varied. You don't need Sosua. You appear to have missed the ones that were human. :)
Yeah I know. Prostitutes are people too. But there are millions more women in the DR outside of Clisante who are also human and are not prostitutes and do not need nor want your money. Maybe you have missed them.
Or learn Spanish and stop being lazy by depending on Clisante! Learn the language and learn how to navigate a place during the good times, so if bad times come you will not be as affected by it.Yeah I know. Prostitutes are people too. But there are millions more women in the DR outside of Clisante who are also human and are not prostitutes and do not need nor want your money. Maybe you have missed them.Depends what turns you on. Obviously they play the roles of hookers and we play the roles of johns, but when I get into the bedroom I would rather drop the act and get to know the real person behind the front, at least for a short while. I think it makes for better sex. The chit chat before going to the room gives them a chance to reveal something of the type of personality they might be, and if it is soon apparent that they totally despise mongers, it is probably better to give them a miss. I don't reveal a lot of things about myself, because most of my interests would not be of interest to chicas, but you can converse on a general level about families, children, the price of things, what hair styles look nice, and so on without getting into discussions about the NASDAQ options board, John Coltrane, Charles Dickens, medical quality assurance, Brexit, and so on.
Yeah I know. Prostitutes are people too.Yeah, I know.
So are some Johns. :)
Jajaja! That was quite a dig at Mr. E, whose swag I like. Nothing untoward ever touches him, like the proverbial rain drops rolling away from the lotus leavesNo a dig Sir. I know the guy personally and he has no shame. Probably one of the most honest guys on this board. He doesn't dwell long with negativity. I remember in Thailand at the zoo and this girl turned him down twice in ten minutes. I would have given up but he took a third shot. We were laughing and she was looking at him crazy but he was determined to get her number and he didn't care how many times he was turned down before. Mr E doesn't care what other people think, he is just living his life the way he sees fit.
Charles Pooter
08-02-16, 21:32
Mr E doesn't care what other people think, he is just living his life the way he sees fit.People like that are called "sociopaths".
Or learn Spanish and stop being lazy by depending on Clisante! Learn the language and learn how to navigate a place during the good times, so if bad times come you will not be as affected by it.Yeah I know. Prostitutes are people too. But there are millions more women in the DR outside of Clisante who are also human and are not prostitutes and do not need nor want your money. Maybe you have missed them.Yeah, I know.
But this is "Sosua Reports", not Fantasy Dating.
How's J-Lo and Beyonce? :)
Mr Enternational
08-03-16, 03:53
I remember in Thailand at the zoo and this girl turned him down twice in ten minutes. I would have given up but he took a third shot. We were laughing and she was looking at him crazy but he was determined to get her number and he didn't care how many times he was turned down before.LOL. I think I remember that. Was it the chick at the ticket window? I think I was trying to weasel a discount out of her. I always flirt with chicks regardless. A lot of times if you worry the shit out of them they will end up giving you some pussy. Persistance.
I was at the currency exchange in Santo Domingo airport in April trying to holler at the chick who works there but she was telling me that she is married. My answer to that is always bullshit, I don't see a ring. So he don't love you anyway. She finally wrote her number down and here are some pictures of her coming to my hotel in Gascue to give me that pussy.
Yeah, I know.
But this is "Sosua Reports", not Fantasy Dating.
How's J-Lo and Beyonce? :)Damn dude. I like hookers just as much as the next guy. (As you can see, I just woke up next to one.) But you must be pretty far gone if you consider going out with a regular chick a fantasy. I don't know how J-Lo and Beyonce are, but the chick from the currency exchange sure had a J-Lo booty. I know how that shit was!
I like hookers just as much as the next guy. (As you can see, I just woke up next to one.) But you must be pretty far gone if you consider going out with a regular chick a fantasy. I don't know how J-Lo and Beyonce are, but the chick from the currency exchange sure had a J-Lo booty. I know how that shit was!No disrespect for the lady, but I don't need to get on a plane and pay for that.
We move in different circles obviously :)
To each, his own!
El Tiburon
08-05-16, 14:39
Sosua seems a lot less active than the time I visited last year. The bars are closing early and the street activity is down. A hear a lot of police action going on here.
So I thought I will head to PP hotel and plan to wife up with someone for the week. I liked the chica who works as waitress in the sports bar opposite the Classico. She goes by the name Isabel. Anyone have any experience with her? Is she available P4P? Any good? Don't want to waste my whole week with someone lousy, if she agrees.
Hope Sosua recovers soon to its former glory. I travel from West coast and it is farther and expensive for me to get to DR. Trying to make sure the trip is not wasted, as in, it is below the high expectations that Sosua set last year, which was my first time here.
Sosua seems a lot less active than the time I visited last year. The bars are closing early and the street activity is down. A hear a lot of police action going on here.
So I thought I will head to PP hotel and plan to wife up with someone for the week. I liked the chica who works as waitress in the sports bar opposite the Classico. She goes by the name Isabel. Anyone have any experience with her? Is she available P4P? Any good? Don't want to waste my whole week with someone lousy, if she agrees.
Hope Sosua recovers soon to its former glory. I travel from West coast and it is farther and expensive for me to get to DR. Trying to make sure the trip is not wasted, as in, it is below the high expectations that Sosua set last year, which was my first time here.August is the slowest season.
The good news is it should be less crowded, and you might get cheaper and better service.
Grandnash84
08-06-16, 00:21
Sosua seems a lot less active than the time I visited last year. The bars are closing early and the street activity is down. A hear a lot of police action going on here.
So I thought I will head to PP hotel and plan to wife up with someone for the week. I liked the chica who works as waitress in the sports bar opposite the Classico. She goes by the name Isabel. Anyone have any experience with her? Is she available P4P? Any good? Don't want to waste my whole week with someone lousy, if she agrees.
Hope Sosua recovers soon to its former glory. I travel from West coast and it is farther and expensive for me to get to DR. Trying to make sure the trip is not wasted, as in, it is below the high expectations that Sosua set last year, which was my first time here.I've always heard that girls that work in the sports bar are game, just order a drink and talk to her and find out yourself. But def take a test drive before you commit to wifing up. Plus if she is working at the bar most likely she won't be able to leave her job to stay with you for a few days.
I've always heard that girls that work in the sports bar are game, just order a drink and talk to her and find out yourself. But def take a test drive before you commit to wifing up. Plus if she is working at the bar most likely she won't be able to leave her job to stay with you for a few days."Wifing up" is something that happens to you (for better or worse, hopefully for better) after a long and good experience with one chica.
It would be hard to find a satisfactory wifing up experience on a one week vacation Especially in Sosua. Even a GF experience can be a challenge, so I'm told.
But good luck anyway!
We arrived in sosua today. Besides Rumba being closed everything seemed normal. There are a lot new Chica on the stroll. A lot of these chicas are starting their price with 3000. I give them the Mr. E laugh. When they see you react that way they quickly try to renegotiate. Readjusting to this scene is not hard. Big Red was telling me during the week the girls still ask for 3000 pesos. Even though negotiation is easy 80% of them started with that bid. There are no shortage of women here police or not. You can't solve prostitution until you solve the job solution. These chicas have to eat. I just had a session with a 35 year-old pro. I love it when a chica is skilled in the bedroom and wants to prove it. She gave me a foot massage. Locked her legs around mine thrusting her pelvis on me and yelled "fuck this pussy repeatedly". Well I did requested it. It was fun. 2000 pesos sin condom. I definitely will repeat with her again but not tonight. I have a bunch of repeat blowing up my phone. I'm only here for one night I'll catch you next month.
Late last night City officials walk down the street with the police. Never seen that happen before. Adjustments will have to be made. I never was really a big Rumba fan anyway.
Classico last night wasn't so packed. A lot more guys on the Dance Floor. Still have enough selections for everyone. I fell in there about 1:15 am. It was at its height. 20 minutes later and you had all the space you need. I hung out on the balcony and what the girls at the last minute coming up. Trying to catch with a can at the last minute. A nice selection always scroll through.
There are no shortage of women here police or not. You can't solve prostitution until you solve the job solution. These chicas have to eat. I just had a session with a 35 year-old pro. I love it when a chica is skilled in the bedroom and wants to prove it. Locked her legs around mine thrusting her pelvis on me and yelled "fuck this pussy repeatedly". Well I did requested it. It was fun. 2000 pesos sin condom. Sounds like she was trying to get pregnant. I think I would pay the extra 100 pesos for the condom. I know it is a bit of extra expense, but paying child support for the next 18 years might be costly too. I hope she was on the pill and it wasn't mentioned.
"Wifing up" is something that happens to you (for better or worse, hopefully for better) after a long and good experience with one chica.
It would be hard to find a satisfactory wifing up experience on a one week vacation Especially in Sosua. Even a GF experience can be a challenge, so I'm told.
But good luck anyway!It rather depends on whether the two of you enjoy each other's company, and no one on this board can determine that.
Late last night City officials walk down the street with the police. Never seen that happen before. Adjustments will have to be made. I never was really a big Rumba fan anyway.
Classico last night wasn't so packed. A lot more guys on the Dance Floor. Still have enough selections for everyone. I fell in there about 1:15 am. It was at its height. 20 minutes later and you had all the space you need. I hung out on the balcony and what the girls at the last minute coming up. Trying to catch with a can at the last minute. A nice selection always scroll through.Thanks for the "Boot on the Ground" reports. ".
OK, everyone else can continue your pissy argumentative posts.
Sounds like she was trying to get pregnant. I think I would pay the extra 100 pesos for the condom. I know it is a bit of extra expense, but paying child support for the next 18 years might be costly too. I hope she was on the pill and it wasn't mentioned.
Sorry I meant bbb. I am not hitting these hoes raw.
It rather depends on whether the two of you enjoy each other's company, and no one on this board can determine that.We can only report what works for us.
(And try to share that information).
I have friend on the ground who gave me a call yesterday. He says Classicos is open until 12 everyday until the weekend. He says there is active construction on the streets and rumurs of some clubs opening. He says he is having a good time. My friend is vet so his opinion carries weight.
I have cut through sousa last couple of days taking my chica to a resturant she likes on the waterfront. It is hard for me to tell quality but just my opinion way down. On the back streets I saw what look like a couple of cuties the road has not been blocked off when I have come. Have not been in classico I might drive through later today. I went to kaviar disco in puerto plata Saturday it was packed and saw a lot of dimes.
Grandnash84
08-10-16, 06:44
I have friend on the ground who gave me a call yesterday. He says Classicos is open until 12 everyday until the weekend. He says there is active construction on the streets and rumurs of some clubs opening. He says he is having a good time. My friend is vet so his opinion carries weight.I got a couple friends living there now and they say its getting better each day. Classicos is packed every night and more girls walking the streets. A couple chicas I have on snapchat never left durning the start of the crackdown and were posting videos everyday at classico or bourbon st, most of the girls I have on snap are back in sosua. Can't stop people from eating.
Camaro1257
08-10-16, 14:42
Personal anecdote:
I stopped by Bourbon Street on my way home from Boca Chica to have lunch with some friends and I saw something most of us have seen in Sosua. I know I am stating the obvious but it never ceases to amaze me how chicas can literally change from Jekyl to Hyde from daylight to nightfall.
I saw a the'Latins crush from days gone by. She has the look I like along with her flaca body. She also has a strut that makes her stand out. I smashed a while ago and later she un-friended me on Facebook saying she had a boyfriend after which I saw her in Classicos one night and I asked her about seeing her on a regular basis, she said I wasn't her type. Maybe it was my cologne. Or lack of it. LOL!
I have seen her several times and she walks up to me flirting with me obviously looking for work but I am thinking "but I am not your type?" I've blown her off since then. What I found interesting is how different she looked in the sunlight she had blemishes on her face that made her look totally different during the day than at night. Even her body looks different, I don't know if she has lost weight but the difference between night and day was startling.
It's not just her but seeing other chicas wear their hair up with tubis during the day but they let it all hang out is and seeing them wear Jordans or sandals during the day and heels at night is interesting.
Construction on Pedro Clisante:
The side walk on the south side of Pedro Clisante from Rumbas to old the Latins is currently under construction. Around the corner on Dr Rosen at the Terra Linda they are renovating their front raised balcony adjacent to their pizza parlor.
Bourbon Street:
Bourbon Street has come to life by default due to the closure of Rhumba. It is clear that they are only a restaurant-bar with no dancing which is right in line with their permits. Since Rumba has shut down chicas are allowed to occupy a seat, however, someone at the table must order either a drink or something to eat. In addition it is reported that chicas are not allowed to approach Bourbon Street customers while they are in the restaurant. The restaurant is the place to be in the evenings every day of the week.
Law Enforcement:
Apparantly Policia Nacional are a little less aggressive recently as opposed to 2 weeks prior. Chicas are randomly arrested while others simply walk by without CESTUR-POLITUR paying attention. I have heard reports chicas pay between 500 – 3000 pesos to be released after they have been detained.
Other notable Pedro Clisante clubs:
Merengue Bar:
Monday thru Thursday & Sundays closes at midnight.
Friday & Saturday closes at 2 am.
Classico's Disco:
Monday thru Wednesday closed.
Thursday 9 pm -midnight.
Friday & Saturday 9 pm -2 am.
Sundays closes at midnight.
Conclusion:
I have heard there are very powerful interest that want to invest in Sosua and that is part of the reason for the recent crackdown. Both Rumbas and the Latins are supposed to re-open with a new format only time will tell what's in the future for our favorite hoe town.
Its been a few years since I went to Sosua so forgive the ignorance. Been trying to figure it out in the posts but get no clear idea about this so here goes. What are the going rates for:
ST.
TLN.
Motos during the day.
Motos at night.
Taxi from POP to SU.
Taxi between SU and Costambar.
I can see the girls are asking for less, last time I was there (2012) they were all opening with 4000 TLN, but how much less right now? I'm guessing the motos and cabs are around the same but just wanted to ask anyway.
Thanks for any help offered.
I saw a the'Latins crush from days gone by. She has the look I like along with her flaca body. She also has a strut that makes her stand out. I smashed a while ago and later she un-friended me on Facebook saying she had a boyfriend after which I saw her in Classicos one night and I asked her about seeing her on a regular basis, she said I wasn't her type. Maybe it was my cologne. Or lack of it. LOL!
I have seen her several times and she walks up to me flirting with me obviously looking for work but I am thinking "but I am not your type?" I've blown her off since then. What I found interesting is how different she looked in the sunlight she had blemishes on her face that made her look totally different during the day than at night. Even her body looks different, I don't know if she has lost weight but the difference between night and day was startling.
.Time is a punta worst enemy. I've noticed a lot of chicas have seen in the past 4 years. I noticed the aging weight and other things that lets me know they are past their Prime. When a chica is in her prime she is riding high and turns down many requests from guys like us. Most of whom regret it later when they realize they see you a lot and they cutted off a lifeline.
ForceSteeler
08-11-16, 02:50
Time is a punta worst enemy. I've noticed a lot of chicas have seen in the past 4 years. I noticed the aging weight and other things that lets me know they are past their Prime. When a chica is in her prime she is riding high and turns down many requests from guys like us. Most of whom regret it later when they realize they see you a lot and they cutted off a lifeline.Well I would not say that. Its all about how a working girl take care of themselves. Most DR Chicas, drink beer, fuck different gringos every night, Do not exercise or workout, hang out late, party all night. So after a few months or 1-2 Years go by they usually start looking like shit, that kind of lifestyles takes a toll on the body heavy.
Now when I go to Brazil, I have seen working girls that I met maybe 4-5 Years ago, Look even better now, Because a lot of Brazilians, workout heavy, they eat good food, and they take care of themselves and it shows. Age is nothing but a number You can slow the aging process if you take care of yourself.
Personal anecdote:
I have heard there are very powerful interest that want to invest in Sosua and that is part of the reason for the recent crackdown. Both Rumbas and the Latins are supposed to re-open with a new format only time will tell what's in the future for our favorite hoe town.As usual, thanks for the real time update, and your own special take!
My first time in Sosua next month, just need to know if there are ATM's or Banks in the town.
Charles Pooter
08-11-16, 16:31
What are the going rates for: ST?
I never pay more than 1500 pesos and never less.
What are the going rates for: Motos during the day.30 pesos short trip within El Batey. 50 pesos if into LOS Charamicos or Sosua Abajo, or out past the clinic towards Cabarete.
What are the going rates for: Taxi between SU and Costambar?1000 to 1200 pesos each way. Plus waiting time.
To save money (unless you have a lot of baggage and need picking up from your hotel) go to La Parada de Puerto Plata and negotiate with a publico driver for a dedicated publico to Costambar for 600 pesos. But they will not want to wait around for you.
StripperMan
08-11-16, 22:56
Is taking a carro publico from Sosua to POP for 300 pesos an option?
First, I believe they are called carro publicos. They are the older Toyota Camry's mainly that most Dominicans use to get from Sosua to PP (& other areas). Last I checked the charge was 50 pesos one-way with each car being packed 6-deep not including driver. The pickup / drop-off point is Dr. Rosen & 5 (south side about 100 m from Rumba).
I have taken one to Cabarete and just took the option of renting out the whole car for 300 p.
Can I do this to get to POP? Just rent out the whole car for 300 p?
My first time in Sosua next month, just need to know if there are ATM's or Banks in the town.As long as you stick to the big banks, and the large stores, no problem.
But NEVER use a card otherwise, especially the ScotiaBank ATM in the drug store at the Texaco station. That machine is compromised most of the time, and there's no one to complain to.
As long as you stick to the big banks, and the large stores, no problem.
But NEVER use a card otherwise, especially the ScotiaBank ATM in the drug store at the Texaco station. That machine is compromised most of the time, and there's no one to complain to.I have used that one quite a few times and not had a problem, but it is probably best to use the one at the main branch of Banco Popular where there is security 24 hours, though preferable to use in the daytime, or the ATM inside supermercado Playero when it is open, or there is a Banco Popular machine in the air conditioned booth on the outer wall of La Pola supermarket. There is also a Banco Popular ATM on the outdoor concourse at the airport at Santiago, on the main highway through Puerto Plata, and at La Sirena. The ATM at Scotia Bank in Puerto Plata also has armed security round the clock. I would avoid the BanReservas ATMs as they tend to have low limits, which makes it an expensive proposition.
Manizales911
08-12-16, 10:42
Can I do this to get to POP? Just rent out the whole car for 300 p?Yes you can do it but it is not 300 pesos, it's more like 550 if I remember correctly.
Charles Pooter
08-12-16, 15:34
Yes you can do it but it is not 300 pesos, it's more like 550 if I remember correctly.450 last time I dd so two years ago, so 550 now sounds about right.
A cheaper alternative is just to buy both front seats for 100 pesos. I always do that.
StripperMan
08-12-16, 15:58
450 last time I dd so two years ago, so 550 now sounds about right.
A cheaper alternative is just to buy both front seats for 100 pesos. I always do that.
Yes you can do it but it is not 300 pesos, it's more like 550 if I remember correctly.Thanks for the info. The carro publico will take you all the way to the airport I assume? They don't try to just dump you off at "the 5 & airport drive" do they?
Manizales911
08-13-16, 18:37
450 last time I dd so two years ago, so 550 now sounds about right.
A cheaper alternative is just to buy both front seats for 100 pesos. I always do that.That is what I do if I am traveling solo but sometimes I am traveling with one of my favorita's and her son in which case I just take the entire car.
ReadyToGetOnIt
08-13-16, 18:48
Thanks for the info. The carro publico will take you all the way to the airport I assume? They don't try to just dump you off at "the 5 & airport drive" do they?I did this to meet some friends arriving after I did. I went to the taxi stand, told him that I wanted to go to the airport. Bought out the whole car, and he dropped me off at the toll booth. They can't go any further than that. Saved a few steps from being dropped off at hwy 5.
Charles Pooter
08-14-16, 00:48
That is what I do if I am traveling solo but sometimes I am traveling with one of my favorita's and her son in which case I just take the entire car.Flash git! In that case just pay for the whole back seat (200 pesos).
Charles Pooter
08-14-16, 00:50
I did this to meet some friends arriving after I did. I went to the taxi stand, told him that I wanted to go to the airport. Bought out the whole car, and he dropped me off at the toll booth. They can't go any further than that. Saved a few steps from being dropped off at hwy 5.Actually 800 metres. Makes a difference if you have baggage.
I have used that one quite a few times and not had a problem, .There's always a first time.
That machine was my go to for years. It was often out of cash on weekends, so I got a lot of "cannot process your request", or "transaction declined". Then I found out it was charging my account with the initial amount requested.
Took a lot of time to deal with that. Than a few months ago, thinking that was just an anomaly (ScotiaBank has a good record in the DR) I tried it again. "Card declined" I needed money fast so I tried my other card, and sure enough no cash but deductions from my bank account!
Buyer beware!
There's always a first time.
That machine was my go to for years. It was often out of cash on weekends, so I got a lot of "cannot process your request", or "transaction declined". Then I found out it was charging my account with the initial amount requested.
Took a lot of time to deal with that. Than a few months ago, thinking that was just an anomaly (ScotiaBank has a good record in the DR) I tried it again. "Card declined" I needed money fast so I tried my other card, and sure enough no cash but deductions from my bank account!
Buyer beware!I had that problem just one time with the Scotia Bank ATM in Puerto Plata. I think it was empty, and it just churned for ages, and then I aborted the transaction, and found I was charged 10,000 pesos for it, but I got the money refunded fairly quickly. I think I had to send a fax somewhere regarding the transaction. As I said before, I think Banco Popular is the best option, but Scotia Bank seems to be about the second best. There used to be a Scotia Bank branch in Sosua just behind the Hotel Europa, with an ATM on the wall, but then that bank closed and they moved the ATM to the Metro Bus terminal, with the closest Scotia Bank then being found in Cabarete. I imagine that is the reason why it is not stocked as often as before and runs out of cash. That and being the closest ATM to the downtown chica bars.
Simon Says
08-16-16, 02:04
I've been in Sosua for a couple days. Its not my first visit. The first time being four years ago the second was 2 years ago, and this would be my third visit. Sosua is alive and well although it is certainly different. All of the action has moved to the opposite side of the street from Rumbas and Dlatins. There are still lots of chicas here working. Most work out of Classicos and the disco upstairs, but you can find them spread throughout all the little bars and restaurants including several at City Lights (an otherwise inconsequential bar in my previous visits). Its not as easy as shooting fish in a barrel anymore. There's a little more legwork involved. Rumor has it Rumbas may open later this week. Who the fuck knows.
Everything closes at 12 o'clock Sunday through Thursday although the casino is a good option after midnight. Lots of action on Saturday with female options to suite every taste. Although I miss sitting along the edge of Rumbas and watching the best Sosua has to offer walk by in all its spandex glory.
The biggest difference I noticed is most of the old white the guys that were prevalent in my previous visits have been outnumbered by large young black guys. It's a like every collegiate football team was released here all at the one time. I didn't see any of the drama that has been previously mentioned on this board from either the old white guys or young black guys. Seemed like everybody was chilling. The girls don't seem to care either way. Pesos are pesos.
If you are considering cancelling your trip to Sosua because of all the latest news. Don't. There is still lots of action here. Some of the girls still look smoking hot. Some of the girls still look fucking crazy. Some things will never change.
Another significant difference is the number of new high end condo developments being built along the oceanfront. These are obviously geared towards families and not Mongers. I believe (although I'm hardly an expert) this is the reason why there is a crackdown on working and girls in the city. Slowly but surely I believe the country / city wants to turn this into a sister resort to Cabrete. There is significant dollars being spent in development and the city wouldn't want those investment dollars being scared away by lured tales of prostitution. There is nothing more awkward to watch than a family, or young couple, trying to navigate their way down the street though hordes of working chicas as they realize this was not the typical beach resort they were expecting. Sousa as we know it is going to die a slow death only to resurface in another Dominican city over time. So goes the circle of life.
Simon.
I've been in Sosua for a couple days. Its not my first visit. Sousa as we know it is going to die a slow death only to resurface in another Dominican city over time. So goes the circle of life.
Simon.Good report I agree with your prediction.
Last month I was eating at Sinatras with the owner who has lived in Sosua for over 15 years. He described a Sosua that had many 100's of girls and very crowded streets that very impossible to walk through the crowds. These where monger tourists. The guys were a very diverse group from all over the world. It was his opinion that Sosua is a shadow of its former glory. It appears that Sosua was has long been a monger magnet. Replacing its infrastructure will not be easy. A whole town built around prostitution.
Good report I agree with your prediction.
Mr Enternational
08-17-16, 15:31
A whole town built around prostitution.You say the craziest stuff. Pattaya was built around prostitution when the servicemen would go there for R&R during the Vietnam War. Today there are literally hundreds of bars and clubs and massage parlors that you can get a chick from to fuck or fuck them on premises.
The only prostitution you see in Sosua is generally by a handfull of freelancers on half a block of the entire town. If mongers stopped going to Sosua tomorrow, the only ones that would suffer would be two hotels, two restaurants, and two bars.
You say the craziest stuff. Pattaya was built around prostitution when the servicemen would go there for R&R during the Vietnam War. Today there are literally hundreds of bars and clubs and massage parlors that you can get a chick from to fuck or fuck them on premises.
The only prostitution you see in Sosua is generally by a handfull of freelancers on half a block of the entire town. If mongers stopped going to Sosua tomorrow, the only ones that would suffer would be two hotels, two restaurants, and two bars.YMMV, obviously :)
A whole town built around prostitution.That is a bit of an exaggeration. There are several schools in the town educating hundreds of children, churches, a hospital, supermarkets full of people who are not mongers, a military base close by, s couple of all-inclusive resorts, and so on. By no means all the locals derive their income from prostitution-related travel, although I would agree that sex tourism and retirement homes are the twin pillars of the local economy, bringing in a lot of foreign currency, and that there is some overlap between the two.
I have seen some times when the town seems to be full of crowds, but these usually occasions like Superbowl Weekend or Holy Week, when huge numbers of Dominicans seem to be bused in for religious revivals where participants can safely catch a sniff of sin in the air.
I think prostitution has shot itself in the foot in Sosua by being insufficiently discreet. If it appears to most people that single male visitors are meeting attractive young Dominican women in the disco late and night for vacation romances, then no one is too bothered, but when there are open bars packed with young women showing a lot of flesh and women grabbing men's arms on the streets, then it is all a bit obvious. There has also been a tendency in recent years for male visitors to show a lack of discretion about the main purpose for their travel. For example men I have spoken to on flights in and out of the DR hardly bother to disguise their true purpose at all, asking questions about where to buy Viagra and so on from complete strangers like me on the plane who have not indicated any interest in the sex scene.
That is a bit of an exaggeration. There are several schools in the town educating hundreds of children, churches, a hospital, supermarkets full of people who are not mongers, a military base close by, s couple of all-inclusive resorts, and so on. By no means all the locals derive their income from prostitution-related travel, although I would agree that sex tourism and retirement homes are the twin pillars of the local economy, bringing in a lot of foreign currency, and that there is some overlap between the two.
I have seen some times when the town seems to be full of crowds, but these usually occasions like Superbowl Weekend or Holy Week, when huge numbers of Dominicans seem to be bused in for religious revivals where participants can safely catch a sniff of sin in the air.
There should be no doubt about Sosua's raison d etre. Even my NA nieces smile conspiratorially, when they ask when's my next trip down there. Those who don't know Sosua's reputation haven't travelled.
I think prostitution has shot itself in the foot in Sosua by being insufficiently discreet. If it appears to most people that single male visitors are meeting attractive young Dominican women in the disco late and night for vacation romances, then no one is too bothered, but when there are open bars packed with young women showing a lot of flesh and women grabbing men's arms on the streets, then it is all a bit obvious. There has also been a tendency in recent years for male visitors to show a lack of discretion about the main purpose for their travel. For example men I have spoken to on flights in and out of the DR hardly bother to disguise their true purpose at all, asking questions about where to buy Viagra and so on from complete strangers like me on the plane who have not indicated any interest in the sex scene.The word has been out for a long time about Sosua. At least since ISG made it one of the busiest boards in their forums, many years ago.
When I first went there 9 years ago, I couldn't believe so many part timers and semi pro hookers in one spot at the same time!
There's no shortage of hooker destinations in the world, but fresh, semi pros, newbies and part timers, where nobody thinks twice about an old 80 year old fart with a 20 year old beauty walking hand in hand back to the New Garden, not so much!
Nothing new here, move along citizen!
Every year, in the slow season, folks (who mostly don't even go there) predict the demise of our Hooker Paradise.
Seems they just can't help themselves.
The word has been out for a long time about Sosua. At least since ISG made it one of the busiest boards in their forums, many years ago.
When I first went there 9 years ago, I couldn't believe so many part timers and semi pro hookers in one spot at the same time!
There's no shortage of hooker destinations in the world, but fresh, semi pros, newbies and part timers, where nobody thinks twice about an old 80 year old fart with a 20 year old beauty walking hand in hand back to the New Garden, not so much!
Nothing new here, move along citizen!
Every year, in the slow season, folks (who mostly don't even go there) predict the demise of our Hooker Paradise.
Seems they just can't help themselves.These lines which you quoted me as saying were inserted and were not part of my post:
There should be no doubt about Sosua's raison d etre. Even my NA nieces smile conspiratorially, when they ask when's my next trip down there. Those who don't know Sosua's reputation haven't travelled. The vast majority of people don't even know where the DR is or that it shares an island with Haiti. My own niece actually announced that she would be visiting the Dominican Republic on a cruise ship a couple of years ago, but then had to back track and admit that it was Dominica, not the Dominican Republic. Most people don't even know there are two places with similar names in the Caribbean.
The number of people other than those who are interested in reading about sex tourism who read ISG or have heard of ISG is miniscule. Of course if you Google Sosua, you will probably find racy pictures and videos, but the first time I went to the DR, I don't think I had even heard of Sosua.
These lines which you quoted me as saying were inserted and were not part of my post:
The vast majority of people don't even know where the DR is or that it shares an island with Haiti. My own niece actually announced that she would be visiting the Dominican Republic on a cruise ship a couple of years ago, but then had to back track and admit that it was Dominica, not the Dominican Republic. Most people don't even know there are two places with similar names in the Caribbean.
The number of people other than those who are interested in reading about sex tourism who read ISG or have heard of ISG is miniscule. Of course if you Google Sosua, you will probably find racy pictures and videos, but the first time I went to the DR, I don't think I had even heard of Sosua.You have my apologies for that weird edit inserting my comments in the middle of your post.
Aside from that, you sound like you are trying to dump some real estate on an unsuspecting buyer.
Google "Sosua"
5,000,000 hits and the very first description is "Sex Tourism".
You are in denial!
SavePros321
08-18-16, 00:54
The vast majority of people don't even know where the DR is or that it shares an island with Haiti. My own niece actually announced that she would be visiting the Dominican Republic on a cruise ship a couple of years ago, but then had to back track and admit that it was Dominica, not the Dominican Republic. Most people don't even know there are two places with similar names in the Caribbean.
The number of people other than those who are interested in reading about sex tourism who read ISG or have heard of ISG is miniscule. Of course if you Google Sosua, you will probably find racy pictures and videos, but the first time I went to the DR, I don't think I had even heard of Sosua.I will admit that prior to 2007 I was not even aware of the existence of the DR or Haiti as countries (I'm from the Midwest: wouldn't have known a Dominican or Haitian back then if one walked up to me and slapped me in the face). True testament as to how fucked up the school systems are in the US. When my history books covered the period of slavery, it did not mention anything about the fact that there were more african slaves taken to some country named "Brazil" than were brought to the United States. I did not even know Brazil had "black people" until I watched the movie "City of God".
Our history books were stripped down to be very "US-Centric", on purpose. You would be surprised how oblivious the average American is to the existence of most countries outside of the US if they did not come across it in a Hollywood action flick.
Google "Sosua"
5,000,000 hits and the very first description is "Sex Tourism".
You are in denial!The average guy looking for info on sex tourism would have to know that the word "Sosua" is even a thing before googling it. Like I wouldn't go to google and type the word "dog" into the search box if I were not aware of the existence of the word "dog".
I actually found this forum (ISG) completely by accident in mid-2007 by googling "what do Dominican women look like?
Mr Enternational
08-18-16, 02:19
The average guy looking for info on sex tourism would have to know that the word "Sosua" is even a thing before googling it. Like I wouldn't go to google and type the word "dog" into the search box if I were not aware of the existence of the word "dog".
I actually found this forum (ISG) completely by accident in mid-2007 by googling "what do Dominican women look like?It is easy to assume "everyone" knows something or that something must be very popular because it is part of your life on a daily basis. You are on the inside looking around. To those on the outside it is the farthest thing from their mind or could even be nonexistant. How many people even post on this Sosua forum? How many people even go to Sosua? Not very many.
I had been to Boca Chica twice before a friend told me I should go to a place called Sosua. I had been to Bangkok a million times before I met a Black American guy in the hotel lobby who was a contractor in Iraq. I asked him what was going on and he said he was waiting on a bus to Pattaya. I asked what that was. He said it is better and cheaper. I still did not visit until a few trips after that and have not looked back at Bangkok. I did not know the mongering capital of the world was only an hour and a half away.
Most of the shit we find, we stumble upon by accident or word of mouth. Nobody just wakes up one day knowing they want to go to Sosua to find chicks.
My first time hearing of Dominican Republic was in 1994 when me, my cousin, and my best friend were living together in our bachelor pad. We were 22 years old and would go out to party every weekend in Atlanta. My best friend met a chick named Altagracia at one of the clubs and she started coming over to bang him until he got tired of her. We used to make fun of her name because we had never heard no shit like that. Haiti I had already known about because I had been studying French since I was 13.
When I first went to Sosua, prostitution was not in your face. There were small bars along Pedro clisante with some girls. Also there were many open air bars everywhere. Clientele were mix of locals, foreigners and regular tourists. Everybody drank, danced and had a good time. Obviously there were many single girls mixed in with families and nobody batted an eyelid when mongers made deals and picked up girls. There were some bars who employed girls as escorts. You can go into the bars and if the girl likes you, you can take the girl by paying a salida fee otherwise known as bar fine. I believe it was 300 pesos and you give the girl separate money ST or LT. Regular tourists also mixed in taking in the local culture. Had to be careful not to make indecent proposals to every girl there. Most of P4 P girls were plying their trade at the Sosua beach during daytime. At night it was a big Disco place I believe known as Disco Carrebean where literally hundreds of girls who came from many small towns to make money. I have also met some nice looking girls at many of the casinos. There were many casinos and sadly almost all of them are closed now. There were many AI resorts from PP to Cabarete. Now most of them are closed. It was easy to hook up with shop girls, waitresses, massage girls. All looking for extra money in the evening.
After that Rumba, Latinoes, Passions etc opened and prostituition was evident along a small stretch of road. Granted in Pattaya families with children co exist along with bars and prostitutes. Also granted that in Las Vegas children enter casinos and see what is happening.
But in Sosua word got around at the resorts where normal tourists stay that prostitution is rampant and not to go out to local places at night. Administration tried to control by closing bars etc but because of corruption none of the bars were closed for long.
Now at least for the time being administration is strict.
I believe in the long run government has to relent because the whole town of Sosua will be dead with high unemployment. All the hotels will close if there is no mongering. So too are the restaurants and bars. Whenever the nightlife is restricted in a small town business goes downhill. If is done in the hope of reviving regular tourist business it will fail. Just look at playa dorada resorts. There was no prostitution but still many are closed.
ForceSteeler
08-18-16, 03:48
But in Sosua word got around at the resorts where normal tourists stay that prostitution is rampant and not to go out to local places at night. Administration tried to control by closing bars etc but because of corruption none of the bars were closed for long.
Now at least for the time being administration is strict.
I believe in the long run government has to relent because the whole town of Sosua will be dead with high unemployment. All the hotels will close if there is no mongering. So too are the restaurants and bars. Whenever the nightlife is restricted in a small town business goes downhill. If is done in the hope of reviving regular tourist business it will fail. Just look at playa dorada resorts. There was no prostitution but still many are closed.You also have to understand Dominican Politicians and Government Officials are also catching heat and getting pressured from US Government. Remember the Dominican Republic Signed a NGO Anti-[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) Pledge Started by the Bush Administration.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-prostitution_pledge
They receive millions of dollars in Government aid from the US. From time to time they have to look like they are combating [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) / Prositiution Stopping the risk spread aids or they risk getting there funds restricted. So you might think these Politicians are stupid for cracking down on Prostitution but you have to understand the real money is in trying to Stop the Problem and not solving it. Kinda like the war on drugs. Its a money grab, these Politicians know they can never stop drug use, but there is a lot of money trying to stop it because it funds the legal system, from judges, Lawyers, Police, and it help fill Jails! Everybody gets a payday.
So if I'm your average Dominican Politician who do I want to please? Tourist mongering dollars? Or the US Government that send me millions of dollars to try to correct the problem?
Sosua is in bad shape in my opinion. I was there 10 days ago and all the bars are closing at 12 am during the week.
After 12. Am everybody heads down to the Casino which is the only place alcohol is served. Very smart concept on the governments part.
The police conduct periodic sweeps were they ride up the street and chase the girls off.
I will admit that prior to 2007 I was not even aware of the existence of the DR or Haiti as countries (I'm from the Midwest: wouldn't have known a Dominican or Haitian back then if one walked up to me and slapped me in the face). True testament as to how fucked up the school systems are in the US. When my history books covered the period of slavery, it did not mention anything about the fact that there were more african slaves taken to some country named "Brazil" than were brought to the United States. I did not even know Brazil had "black people" until I watched the movie "City of God".
Our history books were stripped down to be very "US-Centric", on purpose. You would be surprised how oblivious the average American is to the existence of most countries outside of the US if they did not come across it in a Hollywood action flick.
The average guy looking for info on sex tourism would have to know that the word "Sosua" is even a thing before googling it. Like I wouldn't go to google and type the word "dog" into the search box if I were not aware of the existence of the word "dog".
I actually found this forum (ISG) completely by accident in mid-2007 by googling "what do Dominican women look like?You don't find hookers by looking through history books.
Here's what you do: (or most 10 year olds anyway)
Google "Sex tourism". "Sex tourist" or "Sex tourist countries".
The very first listing after the WIKI definition of the phrase is "10 of the most popular countries for Sex Tourism".
The first large identified picture is Dominican Republic. No 10.
(But keep it quiet, between you and me. No point in having a lot of mongers, weekend warriors "making it rain", johns from all over the world, including Netherlands, Canada, the USA, Germany, the U.K. lining the streets on weekends)
As Mr. E says, "Most of the shit we find, we stumble upon by accident or word of mouth. Nobody just wakes up one day knowing they want to go to Sosua to find chicks. ". Let's just keep it that way!
Although I'd hate to ask him how he manages to find a toilet if he wants to take a shit :)
Sosua is in bad shape in my opinion. I was there 10 days ago and all the bars are closing at 12 am during the week.
After 12. Am everybody heads down to the Casino which is the only place alcohol is served. Very smart concept on the governments part.
The police conduct periodic sweeps were they ride up the street and chase the girls off.Yeah, I hear you can't even find a bar TV showing a live Superbowl, World Cup Soccer game, or even my favorite the Stanley Cup Finals.
Is it the end of sports and hookers in Sosua?. Or is it just August? :)
The word has been out for a long time about Sosua. At least since ISG made it one of the busiest boards in their forums, many years ago.
When I first went there 9 years ago, I couldn't believe so many part timers and semi pro hookers in one spot at the same time!
There's no shortage of hooker destinations in the world, but fresh, semi pros, newbies and part timers, where nobody thinks twice about an old 80 year old fart with a 20 year old beauty walking hand in hand back to the New Garden, not so much!
Nothing new here, move along citizen!
Every year, in the slow season, folks (who mostly don't even go there) predict the demise of our Hooker Paradise.
Seems they just can't help themselves.Slow season or not the way I see it is the demise is definitely on the horizon. In my books the reason is the the change in the mongers; now there are too many loud mongers who lack decorum and discretion. No venue in the world will continually allow in your face p4 p with that sort of clientele.
Slow season or not the way I see it is the demise is definitely on the horizon. In my books the reason is the the change in the mongers; now there are too many loud mongers who lack decorum and discretion. No venue in the world will continually allow in your face p4 p with that sort of clientele.Don't worry.
It is safe to say that hookers care more about dinero, than "lack of decorum" or "discretion".
You guys slay me.
Johns, tricks, and marks are not usually noted for their "decorum"!
The average guy looking for info on sex tourism would have to know that the word "Sosua" is even a thing before googling it. Like I wouldn't go to google and type the word "dog" into the search box if I were not aware of the existence of the word "dog".
Absolutely, and even among men who are interested in sex tourism, a significant percentage (perhaps as many as 50%) believe that the is a place called "Sousa", which will reveal absolutely nothing if Googled. Of course, if you Google "sex tourism" you will probably find a mention of Sosua sooner or later.
Don't worry.
It is safe to say that hookers care more about dinero, than "lack of decorum" or "discretion".
You guys slay me.
Johns, tricks, and marks are not usually noted for their "decorum"!I sense there is a need for a monger school to teach those ("others", you know who we are talking about, nudge, wink) how to monger respectfully and with decorum. Also how not to spoil the market for cheapskates who won't spend a dime more than they have to to get laid.
I would suggest there would be more than a few volunteers from here, that would step in, if asked! .
Sosua is in bad shape in my opinion. I was there 10 days ago and all the bars are closing at 12 am during the week.
After 12. Am everybody heads down to the Casino which is the only place alcohol is served. Very smart concept on the governments part.
The police conduct periodic sweeps were they ride up the street and chase the girls off.A saying I use. Where you stand on the issue depends on where you sit. Is it absolutely necessary that individuals have to be out in the street 2 - 4 in the morning, to eat, drink and pick up women? Why can't the same individuals get whatever they want accomplished by 12 AM? And why is certain venues closing at 12 AM partially representative of Sosua being in bad shape?
IMO that mainly applies to individuals who can't or won't adapt to a schedule change. Speaking for myself. As an adult, I have always been an early riser and early to be home. When I was young I partied and hung out until 5 am in NYC. Rode the iron horses to get home. Now, in order for me to be out after 12 AM, I would have to prepare for it. Go to bed at 7 PM and wake up so I would be rested. Not being a night owl, you usually won't find me out past 12 AM unless I choose to. Or perhaps to drop off a chica. So venues closing at 12 AM aint no threat to my monger activities or my livelyhood. Nor for the hundreds of other mongers not impacted directly by venues closing early.
In the day, a dude can meet a chica, take them then, or make arrangements for later. Talent can be found on the beach in the day. Take them then, or hook up later. From 8 pm to 12 am a guy should be able to make a hookup with at least one freaking chica? Besides, if you pay attention, you see more than enough guys sitting around fucking bullshitting. Drinking, talking etc, just because. They may be at the bar, club or restaurant or the beach. They arent focused on taking anybody. And chicas are usually nearby sitting around like a "Hey Love" commerical waiting to be picked up. Or walking around like extras in a movie. If muggs are going to be sitting around for hours flossing or socializing, what's the big deal over a bar / club closing at 3 am, when you could have had that same chica at 12 am. Or hooked up hours before?
If guys are too lazy or too set in their ways to get up and out to make hookups between 9 pm and 12 am, or can't make connections during the day, they are the ones in bad shape, not Sosua. Is it that important that one has to be filled with alcohol after 12 midnight in order to have a good time? Are muggs forgetting to eat earlier in the evening? But they need to get a meal at 2 am? Is a chica going to look any better at 3 am, than she did at 12 midnight. (some would say yes, after enough alcohol LOL) . Or are muggs holding out until the pussy rental price drops? WTF is the issue here?
I have never really understood why some people have a hard time adapting and still be able to get their needs met? Now as far as the impact on business for the bars, restaurants and clubs, I fully understand their concerns. They make good money on the night owl bunch. However not having business past 12 am doesn't necessarily mean that Sosua is in bad shape. For one, many businesses IMO need to learn about providing better customer service. Bourbon Street restaurants success for the time being isn't a by product of their staff being well trained in customer service. Their business and pedestrian traffic picked up mostly due to the closing of other places. If Rumba reopened, Bourbon Streets business volume would drop ( slowly at 1st, then pick up ) as soon as guys and chicas started hanging back in Rumba or Rumba restaurant outside.
Absolutely, and even among men who are interested in sex tourism, a significant percentage (perhaps as many as 50%) believe that the is a place called "Sousa", which will reveal absolutely nothing if Googled. Of course, if you Google "sex tourism" you will probably find a mention of Sosua sooner or later.Sooner pal, mucho sooner!
Google Sex Tourism, Sex Tourist or Sex Tourism Countries.
First page, first article (after WIKI definition).
Don't worry.
It is safe to say that hookers care more about dinero, than "lack of decorum" or "discretion".
You guys slay me.
Johns, tricks, and marks are not usually noted for their "decorum"!It is not so much the hookers who care as the general population and politicians. However even in the US, although I have never visited a hooker from Backpage, I have looked at some of the ads, and the women will often make certain stipulations as to the kind of men they are willing to see, for example age restrictions, and other restrictions.
I have never been to other sex tourism countries other than Amsterdam, but from what I saw there the people in the red light district behaved about the same as tourists anywhere in the world. I have not been to Thailand, so cannot say what the standards of decorum are like there or in Brazil.
Interesting story in the media about US Olympic swimmers who were possibly robbed by a group of men dressed up as cops while on their way home from a late night party. Reading between the lines, I would say they spent the missing hours at a brothel, one of them lost his wallet, and the robbery story was made up for the benefit of the girlfriend, but went badly wrong. (Probably worth while making a note to self not to allege that you have been robbed by men in police uniforms when traveling overseas in case the robbery is investigated by men in police uniforms.).
I sense there is a need for a monger school to teach those ("others", you know who we are talking about, nudge, wink) how to monger respectfully and with decorum. Also how not to spoil the market for cheapskates who won't spend a dime more than they have to to get laid.
I would suggest there would be more than a few volunteers from here, that would step in, if asked! .Not necessary, but I think locals in Sosua have been put off by the overt nature of prostitution in Sosua. Remember that Sosua's oldest school is located right next to the prostititution bars. Would such a thing be tolerated in the US? I think you know the answer to that. Because prostitution is legal in the DR, some wide eyed mongers assume that prostitution is legal in the DR in the same way that gambling is legal in Las Vegas, and that it is completely out in the open, but in reality it doesn't work that way. So saying that you are "here for the girls" along with your father, uncles, and cousins, does not go down as well as just saying that you are in town to visit a girlfriend.
Not necessary, but I think locals in Sosua have been put off by the overt nature of prostitution in Sosua. Remember that Sosua's oldest school is located right next to the prostititution bars. Would such a thing be tolerated in the US? I think you know the answer to that. Because prostitution is legal in the DR, some wide eyed mongers assume that prostitution is legal in the DR in the same way that gambling is legal in Las Vegas, and that it is completely out in the open, but in reality it doesn't work that way. So saying that you are "here for the girls" along with your father, uncles, and cousins, does not go down as well as just saying that you are in town to visit a girlfriend.It's slow season in Sosua. August!
Not enough on the ground reports to keep the board alive, so a little chance to blow off a little steam against a lot of the bullshit that I see building up over time.
My problem is that I talk to a lot of putas down there who can go on for hours with shared stories about the johns, trick and marks they come across. By my experience they are generally correct. Generally speaking I would sooner sit with a bunch of putas than a bunch of their marks, but that's just me!
I am respectful and polite, and I know how to say a firm no, without pissing people off, so I do not condone anything less in others. But government sanctioned mongering, will never be the same as a monthly book club meeting.
It attracts, gasp!, mongers! Johns, tricks, and marks. Not to mention lots of putas!
If you don't want lassaire fare prostitution with all it's baggage, I would suggest Amsterdam.
To try to impose your own standards on the local industry is a bullshit waste of time. Anyone who chooses to go there or to live there, should accept it for what it is, leave it, or run for office to change it!
Ath Trainer
08-18-16, 16:43
A saying I use. Where you stand on the issue depends on where you sit. Is it absolutely necessary that individuals have to be out in the street 2 - 4 in the morning, to eat, drink and pick up women? Why can't the same individuals get whatever they want accomplished by 12 AM? And why is certain venues closing at 12 AM partially representative of Sosua being in bad shape?
IMO that mainly applies to individuals who can't or won't adapt to a schedule change. Speaking for myself. As an adult, I have always been an early riser and early to be home. When I was young I partied and hung out until 5 am in NYC. Rode the iron horses to get home. Now, in order for me to be out after 12 AM, I would have to prepare for it. Go to bed at 7 PM and wake up so I would be rested. Not being a night owl, you usually won't find me out past 12 AM unless I choose to. Or perhaps to drop off a chica. So venues closing at 12 AM aint no threat to my monger activities or my livelyhood. Nor for the hundreds of other mongers not impacted directly by venues closing early.
In the day, a dude can meet a chica, take them then, or make arrangements for later. Talent can be found on the beach in the day. Take them then, or hook up later. From 8 pm to 12 am a guy should be able to make a hookup with at least one freaking chica? Besides, if you pay attention, you see more than enough guys sitting around fucking bullshitting. Drinking, talking etc, just because. They may be at the bar, club or restaurant or the beach. They arent focused on taking anybody. And chicas are usually nearby sitting around like a "Hey Love" commerical waiting to be picked up. Or
walking around like extras in a movie. If muggs are going to be sitting around for hours flossing or socializing, what's the big deal over a bar / club closing at 3 am, when you could have had that same chica at 12 am. Or hooked up hours before?
If guys are too lazy or too set in their ways to get up and out to make hookups between 9 pm and 12 am, or can't make connections during the day, they are the ones in bad shape, not Sosua. Is it that important that one has to be filled with alcohol after 12 midnight in order to have a good time? Are muggs forgetting to eat earlier in the evening? But they need to get a meal at 2 am? Is a chica going to look any better at 3 am, than she did at 12 midnight. (some would say yes, after enough alcohol LOL) . Or are muggs holding out until the pussy rental price drops? WTF is the issue here?
I have never really understood why some people have a hard time adapting and still be able to get their needs met? Now as far as the impact on business for the bars, restaurants and clubs, I fully understand their concerns. They make good money on the night owl bunch. However not having business past 12 am doesn't necessarily mean that Sosua is in bad shape. For one, many businesses IMO need to learn about providing better customer service. Bourbon Street restaurants success for the time being isn't a by product of their staff being well trained in customer service. Thei business and pedestrian traffic picked up mostly due to the closing of other places. If Rumba reopened, Bourbon Streets business volume would drop ( slowly at 1st, then pick up ) as soon as guys and chicas started hanging back in Rumba or Rumba restaurant outside.I agree with everything you have said. In my vew visits to Sosua, I've, never made it to Classicos, because it didn't get started till late. I was usually already hunting something, or in my room, taking care of business by then.
OTOH, if they are trying to make Sosua more family friendly, why are they soo concerned about places open after midnight? You would think they would encourage the adult activity, late at night, not during the family hours.
I am respectful and polite, and I know how to say a firm no, without pissing people off, so I do not condone anything less in others. But government sanctioned mongering, will never be the same as a monthly book club meeting.
It attracts, gasp!, mongers! Johns, tricks, and marks. Right, but all those derogatory terms are part of the negative image of prostitution and don't say anything about the character of mongers per se. The only difference between mongers in general and men who are not mongers is that those who are mongers, for whatever psychological reasons, see nothing wrong with paying available for a variety types of sexual experiences that they cannot easily obtain on the free market, and obtain a certain kind of satisfaction from it that makes their lives happier, and have enough money to be able to do that. Now some mongers may be drunks, drug addicts, criminals, and so on, but being a monger does not necessarily define someone as being of any particular type of character or personality any more than being a tourist defines someone's personality.
I would take it for granted that individual mongers would favor models of prostitution that serve their own needs, but at the same time it is possible to be somewhat objective and be a monger without necessarily agreeing that mongering is a equal universal benefit to all societies. It comes down to that old cliche, 1. Would you want you mother or daughter to be a puta? If the answer is yes, 2. Would you actively promote her towards that career, perhaps by taking her to mongering areas on a kind of "take your daughter to work day" basis, so she could see what it was all about.
Probably many people would say something like: "Well if she really wanted to do it and had made her mind up, I would try to warn her of the possible hazards to her mental and physical welfare and health, but if she really wanted to do it I would accept her decision and support her as best I could. " But at the same time, they probably would not be telling all their friends. "Oh, I am so proud of my daughter. She started work as a hooker last week and already make $1500 off an old, fat guy. She is training for brothel management too. Good head on her shoulders. Chip off the old block. Just like her mama. ".
Mr Enternational
08-18-16, 17:12
If guys are too lazy or too set in their ways to get up and out to make hookups between 9 pm and 12 am, or can't make connections during the day, they are the ones in bad shape, not Sosua. Is it that important that one has to be filled with alcohol after 12 midnight in order to have a good time? Are muggs forgetting to eat earlier in the evening? But they need to get a meal at 2 am? Is a chica going to look any better at 3 am, than she did at 12 midnight. (some would say yes, after enough alcohol LOL) . Or are muggs holding out until the pussy rental price drops? WTF is the issue here?The issue here is that people are on vacation and want to go out and party. What party do you know that gets started at 8 pm? Guys like Old Kool like to go into the club and dance with the girls.
You and I follow a different MO. I have been saying in the Pattaya thread for years that it is not brain surgery. You can walk into the disco and go up to a chick and say let's go and leave with her. No need to buy neither yourself nor her 1 drink. In and out like the movie Gone in 60 Seconds.
But guys on vacation are not trying to go that direct route. They want to buy bottles of liquor and champagne, eye different chicks, and celebrate. They want to do as they do back home, but be guaranteed to get some ass at the end of the night.
When you are living somewhere you are not taking the vacationers route. I'm counting the days til Camaro stops posting about going to Kviar. (Although I do know a guy who lives in Thailand and every night you will see him go through the discos - they are free to get in. For years I have never seen him buy a drink or anything; he just goes and walks around to show his face.) It is the same people night after night in those places. By now everyone should know Camaro, and Camaro should know everybody. When I go in a disco in Thailand, I collect numbers and like you, will just call one of them over another night about 8 pm or so to come spend the night with me. I have alcohol in my crib if I want to drink. No need nor desire to stay out at all times of the night.
Camaro1257
08-18-16, 17:38
I'm counting the days til Camaro stops posting about going to Kviar. (Although I do know a guy who lives in Thailand and every night you will see him go through the discos - they are free to get in. For years I have never seen him buy a drink or anything; he just goes and walks around to show his face.) It is the same people night after night in those places. By now everyone should know Camaro, and Camaro should know everybody. When I go in a disco in Thailand, I collect numbers and like you, will just call one of them over another night about 8 pm or so to come spend the night with me. I have alcohol in my crib if I want to drink. No need nor desire to stay out at all times of the night.I have been living in the Dominican Republic almost 2 years and I have posted about my various experiences in various destinations throughout the Island. It just so happens Kviar is 5 minutes from where I live and serves as a diversion when I am bored. I respectfully disagree with the comment that it is the same peope night after night in Kviar it is exactly the opposite. Yes there are regulars but the pro, semi pro and civilian talent varies from night to night. In fact that is one of the reasons for my posting about Kviar, it is in transition just as many establishments are in the Dominican Republic. As always my postings are intended to be informative and only for those who are interested.
Right, but all those derogatory terms are part of the negative image of prostitution and don't say anything about the character of mongers per se. The only difference between mongers in general and men who are not mongers is that those who are mongers, for whatever psychological reasons, see nothing wrong with paying available for a variety types of sexual experiences that they cannot easily obtain on the free market, and obtain a certain kind of satisfaction from it that makes their lives happier, and have enough money to be able to do that. Now some mongers may be drunks, drug addicts, criminals, and so on, but being a monger does not necessarily define someone as being of any particular type of character or personality any more than being a tourist defines someone's personality.
I would take it for granted that individual mongers would favor models of prostitution that serve their own needs, but at the same time it is possible to be somewhat objective and be a monger without necessarily agreeing that mongering is a equal universal benefit to all societies. It comes down to that old cliche, 1. Would you want you mother or daughter to be a puta? If the answer is yes, 2. Would you actively promote her towards that career, perhaps by taking her to mongering areas on a kind of "take your daughter to work day" basis, so she could see what it was all about.
Probably many people would say something like: "Well if she really wanted to do it and had made her mind up, I would try to warn her of the possible hazards to her mental and physical welfare and health, but if she really wanted to do it I would accept her decision and support her as best I could. " But at the same time, they probably would not be telling all their friends. "Oh, I am so proud of my daughter. She started work as a hooker last week and already make $1500 off an old, fat guy. She is training for brothel management too. Good head on her shoulders. Chip off the old block. Just like her mama. ".Phsychobabble from a disgruntled customer? LOL.
I'm a john, trick, mark that pays for sex with relative strangers. Because I am old and not married I worry less about STD, and such. In that respect I've been lucky.
I don't take pride in what I do (It doesn't define me) but it satisfies my carnal desires.
The game is as old as civilization.
Pardon me if I don't see it as some sort of hobby for intellectuals with "game", or an excercise in judgemental relative discretion. Or even a full time drag on my life. (I wouldn't live there).
The DR maybe.
This is one area where the cliche, "It's NOT rocket science, is valid.
Hookers and johns, is all it is.
Deal with it, and if you can't handle it for god's sake get out of Sosua. With your problems, I can't see why you would choose to live in a government sanctioned third world brothel.
There's a whole world out there!
I have been living in the Dominican Republic almost 2 years and I have posted about my various experiences in various destinations throughout the Island. It just so happens Kviar is 5 minutes from where I live and serves as a diversion when I am bored. I respectfully disagree with the comment that it is the same peope night after night in Kviar it is exactly the opposite. Yes there are regulars but the pro, semi pro and civilian talent varies from night to night. In fact that is one of the reasons for my posting about Kviar, it is in transition just as many establishments are in the Dominican Republic. As always my postings are intended to be informative and only for those who are interested.Thanks for posting Camaro. Always current and interesting.
Don't be chased off the board by the usual suspects, amateur psychologists, and disgruntled ex mongers.
They haven't found a way to enjoy Sosua and they apparently hate anyone who does.
A lot of boards go this route!
But WE got OUR Sosua!
Peace!
SavePros321
08-18-16, 21:26
You don't find hookers by looking through history books Who does that? What does this comment have to do with anything I posted?
Who does that? What does this comment have to do with anything I posted?Might be over your head, so I'll leave it to the reader to figure it out! :)
SavePros321
08-18-16, 23:31
Might be over your head, so I'll leave it to the reader to figure it out! :)"It's a Canadian thing. You couldn't possibly understand." would have been an acceptable answer as well 🙃
Camaro1257
08-19-16, 10:57
Thanks for posting Camaro. Always current and interesting.
Don't be chased off the board by the usual suspects, amateur psychologists, and disgruntled ex mongers.
They haven't found a way to enjoy Sosua and they apparently hate anyone who does.
A lot of boards go this route!
But WE got OUR Sosua!
Peace!Thanks, I really didn't understand the motive for his comment about me, asi es la vida.
Thanks, I really didn't understand the motive for his comment about me, asi es la vida.I don't know, summer doldrums, lack of pussy.
Whatever, some of the regulars are in foul moods these days.
(I can't resist poking them with a stick).
Tempoecorto
08-19-16, 14:14
"It's a Canadian thing. You couldn't possibly understand." would have been an acceptable answer as well 🙃The photo was telling. For once, a grown up boy has to ask Dad about Canada shows the doldrums the US education system is in. Also, the two attributes mentioned are extremely positive in my mind, except of course in those la la lands where they are infringement on freedom and toothless young people abound. What a sad state of affairs!
The photo was telling. For once, a grown up boy has to ask Dad about Canada shows the doldrums the US education system is in. Also, the two attributes mentioned are extremely positive in my mind, except of course in those la la lands where they are infringement on freedom and toothless young people abound. What a sad state of affairs!Stereotypical nonsense from Readers Digest.
Canada's gangland gun and drug crimes are routine and getting worse, and some of our eminent politicians go to the USA For medical care for themselves and their elders.
A saying I use. Where you stand on the issue depends on where you sit. Is it absolutely necessary that individuals have to be out in the street 2 - 4 in the morning, to eat, drink and pick up women? Why can't the same individuals get whatever they want accomplished by 12 AM? And why is certain venues closing at 12 AM partially representative of Sosua being in bad shape?
IMO that mainly applies to individuals who can't or won't adapt to a schedule change. Speaking for myself. As an adult, I have always been an early riser and early to be home. When I was young I partied and hung out until 5 am in NYC. Rode the iron horses to get home. Now, in order for me to be out after 12 AM, I would have to prepare for it. Go to bed at 7 PM and wake up so I would be rested. Not being a night owl, you usually won't find me out past 12 AM unless I choose to. Or perhaps to drop off a chica. So venues closing at 12 AM aint no threat to my monger activities or my livelyhood. Nor for the hundreds of other mongers not impacted directly by venues closing early.
In the day, a dude can meet a chica, take them then, or make arrangements for later. Talent can be found on the beach in the day. Take them then, or hook up later. From 8 pm to 12 am a guy should be able to make a hookup with at least one freaking chica? Besides, if you pay attention, you see more than enough guys sitting around fucking bullshitting. Drinking, talking etc, just because. They may be at the bar, club or restaurant or the beach. They arent focused on taking anybody. And chicas are usually nearby sitting around like a "Hey Love" commerical waiting to be picked up. Or walking around like extras in a movie. If muggs are going to be sitting around for hours flossing or socializing, what's the big deal over a bar / club closing at 3 am, when you could have had that same chica at 12 am. Or hooked up hours before?
If guys are too lazy or too set in their ways to get up and out to make hookups between 9 pm and 12 am, or can't make connections during the day, they are the ones in bad shape, not Sosua. Is it that important that one has to be filled with alcohol after 12 midnight in order to have a good time? Are muggs forgetting to eat earlier in the evening? But they need to get a meal at 2 am? Is a chica going to look any better at 3 am, than she did at 12 midnight. (some would say yes, after enough alcohol LOL) . Or are muggs holding out until the pussy rental price drops? WTF is the issue here?
I have never really understood why some people have a hard time adapting and still be able to get their needs met? Now as far as the impact on business for the bars, restaurants and clubs, I fully understand their concerns. They make good money on the night owl bunch. However not having business past 12 am doesn't necessarily mean that Sosua is in bad shape. For one, many businesses IMO need to learn about providing better customer service. Bourbon Street restaurants success for the time being isn't a by product of their staff being well trained in customer service. Their business and pedestrian traffic picked up mostly due to the closing of other places. If Rumba reopened, Bourbon Streets business volume would drop ( slowly at 1st, then pick up ) as soon as guys and chicas started hanging back in Rumba or Rumba restaurant outside.Years ago a mentor said If you are not in bed by midnight go home, this has served me well in travels all through the DR, Cuba, central and South America. Give me a fresh chica at 2 in the afternoon any day over a 2 am in the morning one. Got to go meet my chica here in el centro Medellin now at 2 pm.
I have been living in the Dominican Republic almost 2 years and I have posted about my various experiences in various destinations throughout the Island. It just so happens Kviar is 5 minutes from where I live and serves as a diversion when I am bored. I respectfully disagree with the comment that it is the same peope night after night in Kviar it is exactly the opposite. Yes there are regulars but the pro, semi pro and civilian talent varies from night to night. In fact that is one of the reasons for my posting about Kviar, it is in transition just as many establishments are in the Dominican Republic. As always my postings are intended to be informative and only for those who are interested.Many thanks for all your great reports on the DR, I will give you the poetic license to mention Kviar as much as want.
When you are living somewhere you are not taking the vacationers route. I'm counting the days til Camaro stops posting about going to Kviar.But why? But why Mr. ENT? Why does Camaro or anyone have to be like you? If most of us were alike, the world would not be worth living. As long as a guy or gal, is having a good time, enjoying their life, the way they like it (and as long as it is legal) and they are decent human beings, why try to limit their choices in life?
I love Camaro and as you know too well, I too love to hit the clubs and discos. In Thailand, I also find chicas I like, but in the DR I almost never find any chica I like in a club. I just go there mostly to enjoy the ambience, the music, to dance and generally just be happy!
The chicas come to me before or after in the DR and I keep the two separate. In Pattaya, I am happy with some of the chicas I meet at IBar and Insomnia.
So, can't we all just each of us be happy in our way? Peace my man!
"It's a Canadian thing. You couldn't possibly understand." would have been an acceptable answer as well 🙃Way too funny! I would have added: " it's an unarmed North Ametican freezing his butt off, but with health insurance, eh! ".
It is easy to assume "everyone" knows something or that something must be very popular because it is part of your life on a daily basis. You are on the inside looking around. To those on the outside it is the farthest thing from their mind or could even be nonexistant. How many people even post on this Sosua forum? How many people even go to Sosua? Not very many.
I had been to Boca Chica twice before a friend told me I should go to a place called Sosua. I had been to Bangkok a million times before I met a Black American guy in the hotel lobby who was a contractor in Iraq. I asked him what was going on and he said he was waiting on a bus to Pattaya. I asked what that was. He said it is better and cheaper. I still did not visit until a few trips after that and have not looked back at Bangkok. I did not know the mongering capital of the world was only an hour and a half away.
Most of the shit we find, we stumble upon by accident or word of mouth. Nobody just wakes up one day knowing they want to go to Sosua to find chicks.
My first time hearing of Dominican Republic was in 1994 when me, my cousin, and my best friend were living together in our bachelor pad. We were 22 years old and would go out to party every weekend in Atlanta. My best friend met a chick named Altagracia at one of the clubs and she started coming over to bang him until he got tired of her. We used to make fun of her name because we had never heard no shit like that. Haiti I had already known about because I had been studying French since I was 13.I never heard of Sosua until about 3 years ago! But, I was married before that for decades and on the professional global exec path. I had heard of Pattaya and other South and Central American Countries. But Sosua never. Until I heard about ISG at a prive in Sao Paulo about 3 years ago!
So, there you have it! And, so yes, relative to most of you here, I am very much a newbie ! 😇
Hello,
I'm looking for reliable and safe transportation from STI. Airport early morning to Sosua. Can anyone provide suggestions?
Thank you.
Tempoecorto
08-20-16, 16:29
Hello,
I'm looking for reliable and safe transportation from STI. Airport early morning to Sosua. By "early morning", I presume you mean something like 2 AM? You can find cabs at the airport itself, they should be dependable. About $100. FYI, there is highway and a mountain road, to get to Sosua. If it has been raining, I would not recommend the latter at that hour.
Quagmire1974
08-20-16, 18:25
Hello,
I'm looking for reliable and safe transportation from STI. Airport early morning to Sosua. Can anyone provide suggestions?
Thank you.I visited Sosua in April 2015 and also flew into STI. The cost for a taxi from the airport to Sosua was $90 US and took about 1 1/2 hours. Taxis are located immediately in front of the airport when you exit the terminal. You can probably also arrange transportation through your hotel but the cost is likely to be similar if not a little higher. And someone else here on ISG is likely to respond to your post with a cheaper alternative.
Manizales911
08-20-16, 20:36
Hello,
I'm looking for reliable and safe transportation from STI. Airport early morning to Sosua. Can anyone provide suggestions?
Thank you.I have one but spanish speaking only, do you speak spanish?
I have one but spanish speaking only, do you speak spanish?Unfortunately I Diego only English and Haitian Creole.
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