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Which bank's ATM do not charge 130 baht for a withdrawal.
ThanksAeon ATM. By the way I think the other banks charge 150 and some 180 baht.
From RTF, if I recall correctly, over the last few years, the prices quoted are quite typical for CM2.
Considering this was first a "Russian" & secondly a stunner, the offer might be considered a bargain.
Of course you can always get an average looking TG for 500 baht at Grace Hotel or in African a black girl for a banana per month.My comments were based on a wrong currency. Was not 1500 dirham. But 15000 baht, IE 400usd. I rate those far to much even for a stunning Russian. In Bangkok! IMHO.
That price is more for escort girl (maybe the same, but we know escort age cose and sites have their and outrageous price levels)
Paul Kausch
11-14-13, 16:21
Which bank's ATM do not charge 130 baht for a withdrawal.
ThanksAEON Bank. I use the ATM at the branch in the lower level of Terminal 21. Here is the link to a travel forum that describes other locations.
http://www.travelforum.org/thailand/6366-aeon-atm-locations-bangkok.html
To those who gave me the bank's name.
Global Surfer
11-15-13, 02:14
From RTF, if I recall correctly, over the last few years, the prices quoted are quite typical for CM2.
Considering this was first a "Russian" & secondly a stunner, the offer might be considered a bargain.
Of course you can always get an average looking TG for 500 baht at Grace Hotel or in African a black girl for a banana per month.I have seen girls asking for 8-10K in CM2 but I think 15K is bit too much.
In most cases you could take a Russian for 4K-6K depending upon the time and your bargaining skill.
In my last trip about 6 months ago CM2 was deserted and quality was low but the prices were still the same.
However, the surprise was a Russian (from St. Petersburg) street walker outside Grace Hotel. She was no stunner but excellent GFE and 2 hours of uninhibited fun for just 2K.
If you are after Russians you can try.
Grace Hotel Coffee shop: Average 5K but sometime you may even find a Latina or Turk.
Street and Arab Restaurants outside Grace Hotel offer cheap prices 1-2K but no stunners.
Rajeah hotel offers in-house fun form 2. 5 3K and very good quality but mechanical service
My comments were based on a wrong currency. Was not 1500 dirham. But 15000 baht, IE 400usd. I rate those far to much even for a stunning Russian. In Bangkok! IMHO.
That price is more for escort girl (maybe the same, but we know escort age cose and sites have their and outrageous price levels) I think 400 USD is much closer to 12000 Baht than 15000.
Twelve thousand baht would be a price in the ballpark of some escort girls, that is Thai escorts in Thailand, for a LT or multi hour session.
Though here we are speaking of CM2, a FSR girl, a stunner, in Bangkok, for LT. How much do you think that would cost in Moscow, one or two thousand Euros?
If you are in Krungthep with a craving for some white farang meat, CM2 is a far cheaper & easier option than flying to a northern destination where you could make a snowman & freeze your dick to a lamp post.
Where are you going to find a hot Russian model type P4P lady? In the Beer Garden? Nana Parking Lot? Grace Hotel? Very unlikely.
Would you be able to take her out to your place for the night? Nyet. Impossible.
I have seen girls asking for 8-10K in CM2 but I think 15K is bit too much.
In most cases you could take a Russian for 4K-6K depending upon the time and your bargaining skill.
In my last trip about 6 months ago CM2 was deserted and quality was low but the prices were still the same.
However, the surprise was a Russian (from St. Petersburg) street walker outside Grace Hotel. She was no stunner but excellent GFE and 2 hours of uninhibited fun for just 2K.
If you are after Russians you can try.
Grace Hotel Coffee shop: Average 5K but sometime you may even find a Latina or Turk.
Street and Arab Restaurants outside Grace Hotel offer cheap prices 1-2K but no stunners.
Rajeah hotel offers in-house fun form 2. 5 3K and very good quality but mechanical serviceThus far I've never ever had a "Russian". Not that I can recall. Does that make me a Russian virgin?
I've been tempted by "Russians" or FSR girls a few times in BKK & come close to taking one, but never got the shot off. Partly because of pimps being involved, girls being unavailable for take out, or the circumstances being shady. Some I've seen in convenience stores generally appeared to be major sour pusses.
But I've been satisfying the craving for white meat with Viet & PRC in SG.
The original poster spoke of 200 USD for a ST & 400 for LT. That equates to roughly 6000 & 12000 Baht, rather than the 15000 you mentioned.
BTW, speaking of prices, the various ones you quote for Euro girls are what guys pay for TGs at various venues & locations in LOS. Some reports, if I recall, even speak of Thai gogo superstars demanding 6K for a ST, the same initial asking rate by the CM2 Euro stunner. And perhaps she could have been bartered down a thousand baht or so.
Mr Enternational
11-15-13, 14:24
Today I came in from Swampy at the spend limit for Baht 275 on the meter to Skvt Soi 4, Baht 50 Airport tax and Baht 75 Tolls. Baht 400 the trip. $13 all in.
No one can call that a rip off when LHR to Chiswick cost the equivalent of $60 for a shorter distance.
II met a couple on the plane last night who had asked me the rules for tipping in Thailand. They said they had prepaid $80 for transportation from the airport to the Conrad and wanted to know what they should tip, if anything.
I had read on ThaiVisa that they installed rails and one-way turnstiles on the departure level median. I think they did this only to appease the drivers on the lower level, because it is still possible to get to the side where taxis are dropping off. As soon as I walked out of the door drivers were flagging me over to the median. With a half-turn of the turnstile you can easily fit through the opposite way with bags.
Wolvenvacht
11-15-13, 19:58
I met a couple on the plane last night who had asked me the rules for tipping in Thailand. They said they had prepaid $80 for transportation from the airport to the Conrad and wanted to know what they should tip, if anything.Nana-hotel once tried to charge me 1000 bath for a hotel taxi to the airport. I just smiled and left.
Nana-hotel once tried to charge me 1000 bath for a hotel taxi to the airport. I just smiled and left.If you look at the transportation rates on the small board at the entrance of Nana hotel tells that surely someone pays them, or maybe "negotiating" a 20% cut and happy of his skills! Making the supplier even happier as he could sustain an 80% discount and still walk with a good income.
Somebody paying 80$ for the BKK. Conrad trip should be told to tip 20.
CuningLinguist
11-15-13, 23:50
NEP: Billboard; this used to be one my favorite bars because there were beautifull girls, nice shows and a very helpfull mamassan. All of these have gone! Another observation is that drink prices have gone up! I remember drinks (whiskey) at 120 and now the norm is 150! That's 25% more! Farang inflation? Haha! It seems also that the 2K for short time is the norm. I remember that I had no problem of getting 1. 5 for short time which has some times returned to overnight because I usually use 5 star hotels and the girls loved them.Thanks for the update Life!
It's hard to find a trip report posted on here with any information relevant to my research. Thanks for posting!
It'd be nice to see some decent trip reports in this forum instead of people sniping at one another. I've lurked long enough to know not to ask questions as you either get "RTFF" or the question goes ignored, but it would be nice to see a fresh report with locations and costs so those of us that are looking to plan / budget a trip have an idea of what to look forward to. Also I'd like to point out that, though I have lurked long enough to know some of the slang for various locations, some may not know what we are talking about such as: NEP (for example). If possible, could some of the lesser known abbreviations be annotated.
Mr Enternational
11-16-13, 01:26
Though here we are speaking of CM2, a FSR girl, a stunner, in Bangkok, for LT. How much do you think that would cost in Moscow, one or two thousand Euros?If all of the presumptions in the previous statement did hold true then this chick would have had to be a first class moron. Why in Sam Hill would someone move to a foreign land to do the same job for a small fraction of what they could get at home? The people I see relocating for a job tend to do it in order to make more, not less.
Global Surfer
11-16-13, 02:13
Thus far I've never ever had a "Russian". Not that I can recall. Does that make me a Russian virgin?
I've been tempted by "Russians" or FSR girls a few times in BKK & come close to taking one, but never got the shot off. Partly because of pimps being involved, girls being unavailable for take out, or the circumstances being shady. Some I've seen in convenience stores generally appeared to be major sour pusses.
But I've been satisfying the craving for white meat with Viet & PRC in SG.
The original poster spoke of 200 USD for a ST & 400 for LT. That equates to roughly 6000 & 12000 Baht, rather than the 15000 you mentioned.
BTW, speaking of prices, the various ones you quote for Euro girls are what guys pay for TGs at various venues & locations in LOS. Some reports, if I recall, even speak of Thai gogo superstars demanding 6K for a ST, the same initial asking rate by the CM2 Euro stunner. And perhaps she could have been bartered down a thousand baht or so.I visited BKK in March and will probably visit again early next year. There is nothing wrong in loosing Slavic virginity if you wish.
For quick and dirty job pay a visit to Grace coffee shop or Rajeah hotel (but it may be a very good experience)
Grace is usually full of Central Asians women and super rich Middle Eastern men. Most of them born rich so the rates are high and service quality poor. Most girls will be happy to go with you.
Rajeah hotel Quality better and girls may actually be Slavic. You cannot take them out.
Bossy: I never went and I have no idea where is that. I know many unsuccessful CIS from CM2 go there after 2am.
CM2.
I have noticed stunners sometimes in CM2 but they are usually always surrounded by Indians or local Thais who for some reason are willing to pay over the top.
The best CIS spot outside CIS is probably Dubai.
Stunners or no stunners.
I think beauty is in the eyes of beholder. In my case height is very important and that is why in most cases I end up with CIS or African.
Thai Super Stars demanding 6K.
Thai super stars are exceptionally beautiful – definitely more than most CIS in Bangkok.
Mr Enternational
11-16-13, 02:29
Just got this email from a wingman:
Forgot to tell you. My real estate agent asked if she could borrow 50,000bt.
Said she overspent in Bali. That was last month. Got an email 3 days ago saying
Her grandmother in Udon needs a 3rd cancer surgery and she needs help.
Just got this email from a wingman:
Forgot to tell you. My real estate agent asked if she could borrow 50, 000bt.
Said she overspent in Bali. That was last month. Got an email 3 days ago saying
Her grandmother in Udon needs a 3rd cancer surgery and she needs help.To read Private Dancer. He should have read it before he came to Thailand.
Mr Enternational
11-16-13, 05:29
To read Private Dancer. He should have read it before he came to Thailand.He has read it along with countless other books about the scene. As a matter of fact he passes the books along to me. He has a condo in Pattaya and lived in Brazil before. He has mongered in god knows how many countries. He is actually the one who told me about this website some years ago. So he is no rookie.
If all of the presumptions in the previous statement did hold true then this chick would have had to be a first class moron. Why in Sam Hill would someone move to a foreign land to do the same job for a small fraction of what they could get at home? The people I see relocating for a job tend to do it in order to make more, not less.Could be various reasons for that besides the one you mention.
ISG member Opebo has said he prefers to live & work in LOS even though he could earn more in the USA. The justification for that not being the warm weather, great food & lovely ladies, but that living expenses are so much less in Siam that his standard of living would be higher in the Kingdom despite the lower salary.
Or say the CM2 lady didn't move to the land of som tam, but is stranded there & looking to earn a ticket back home. Or she's under the control of drugs and or pimps who have her passport. Or has a local BF or family in BKK so doesn't want to leave.
Or business in her home nation is slow, such that she can make more in Thaksin's country even though her wage per trick is less. Thirty john's at $400 a shot is 12 times greater than one at $1000.
Wolvenvacht
11-16-13, 09:10
Just got this email from a wingman:
Forgot to tell you. My real estate agent asked if she could borrow 50, 000bt.
Said she overspent in Bali. That was last month. Got an email 3 days ago saying
Her grandmother in Udon needs a 3rd cancer surgery and she needs help.It seems she skipped the "sick water buffalo" story.
It seems she skipped the "sick water buffalo" story.And amazing death rate in the extended family requiring contributions to more funerals in a village than ever giving the impression that a serial killer is on the loose.
Come off it Mr E. This is news, real news, when a newbie asks for advice but not great news when an experienced monger has the sad story story.
Jack Rabbit
11-16-13, 10:51
After reading 10 pages of blogs with limited intel, I thought it prudent to post my own:
Within 24hrs in Bangkok, I had 7 SPs:
1. Nana parking lot. 20 yr old cutie. Her friend spoke good English, so invited her friend later for 2 for 1 special. Worked out well. Damage: 1, 500BHT.
2. While eating lunch, saw Uni student with huge rack and braces. Got name of the massage shop she worked. Shitty massage but great BBJ, CIM. Damage: 500BHT.
3. Went for a swim at Nana Hotel. In hotub, crazy tattooed SP was dancing telling me how she specialized in S & M, and DT (even made the noises LOL). Her BF was taking a shit, so she agreed to come to my room in 15 minutes. DT, Anal, ping pong show (I kid you not) , AR, and CIM. Damage: 1000BHT.
4. Rainbow 4. Ladydrink 2 hottest girls. One serious pro (9/10 stunner-flawless Brit English) and huge racked spinner (8/10). Bar fined and had spectacular threesome. Huge rack flaked out at the end, with her Thai BF arguing with her on the phone in the bathroom. Gave her 2, 000BHT to leave. Stunner wanted 5, 000 for LT, almost gave in (amazing GFE) but knew she wouldn't go the distance. 3,000BHT, she went packing. (Saw her back at Rainbow later, she started some drama LOL).
5. At Climax, debating between plastic surgery hottie, petite dancer in neon shorts (was turning down other punters, eyeing me to move in) and midget cutie. Opted for midget cutie who was very chill. Multiple pops, with some amazing trash talk. Damage: 1000BHT
Jack Rabbit
11-16-13, 11:11
Serious drama night, interesting exploits:
Rainbow 4. Bar fined Seasoned Pro with amazing rack. My mate didn't understand the process, and wanted mine. Some random 6/10 gave him attention, so he barfined her hoping we could switch later. LOL.
Went to bathroom while mine changed, ran into Stunner (see previous report) , more drama. She wanted 7, 000BHT for long time. Seasoned Pro came up pressuring me to leave. Stunner tried to cockblock me (in Thai) saying I had a horsecock. Seasoned Pro dragged me to ST hotel (not our agreement). Rocked my world. Thai bar girls love the drama. I wanted LT with her, but she was straight up telling me she could make more going back to the bar. My mate had kept texting me saying he wanted mine. So we waited in front at a bar for him. LOL He took Seasoned Pro to eat. I went back to Rainbow. Mamasan agreed that since my mate had barfined 6/10 but then she changed her mind, that I could have my pick instead. By then the damage was done, and NO SP would go with me. HAHAHA Damage: 2, 000BHT.
Stunner had already been barfined by some HUGE German. Scowling at me from across the bar. 177 (superhot backup) was gone. I tried negotiating with a few, but Butterfly (me) wasn't getting any response (most wanted ST in ST hotel upstairs). The bar closed. I had a free barfine, but no SP. Finally, I saw a great body roll in to collect her pay, quickly snatched her, but by this time Mamasan had forgotten about the free barfine. As Last Resort was changing, Stunner had returned, glared at me and pouted. 30 minutes later, Last Resort finally came out pouting, not wanting to go (obviously the girls had talked). She complained the whole time back to the hotel (new area). So I punished her. DT, Anal, the works for 1 hr plus. Damage: 2, 000BHT.
No more Rainbow for me. Sticking with freelancers in the clubs.
RandyAndy53
11-16-13, 11:53
Any advices for gogos or beer bars for a 3some with the girlfriend. I am in Bangkok from 25 Dec till 19 Jan.
Hi all,
I've been browsing this forum for more than a year and decided to make a post finally. I've been to many countries in Europe and I realized that its' time to go to the heaven of mongers on my next vacation. I am planning to visit Thailand sometime next year. I've been surfing the internet regarding Thailand, but I have some specific questions to which I couldn't find any answers. So, my questions are as follows:
1. Are there high / low seasons when it comes to mongering scene?
2. Does high / low season affect prices for girls and hotels?
3. I read on this forum that price range in Patayya is more than double cheaper than Bangkok. So, taking into account my 10 days vacation how many days do you recommend for each destination?
4. Given the abovementioned 10 days time period how much money on average should I take with me for solely fucking purposes? (I mean in order to get at least average quality girl every day)
Personally, I'd like to visit on low season due to some reasons that are not related to financial matters. In my native language we have saying "the more stuff / option you have, the less quality it eventually becomes".
Thanks in advance
.I have noticed stunners sometimes in CM2 but they are usually always surrounded by Indians or local Thais who for some reason are willing to pay over the top. .For most mongering Indians it is a lifelong fantasy to fuck a white skin.
Hi all,
I've been browsing this forum for more than a year. I've been surfing the internet regarding Thailand, but I have some specific questions to which I couldn't find any answers. So, my questions are as follows:
1. Are there high / low seasons when it comes to mongering scene?
2. Does high / low season affect prices for girls and hotels?
3. I read on this forum that price range in Patayya is more than double cheaper than Bangkok. So, taking into account my 10 days vacation how many days do you recommend for each destination?
4. Given the abovementioned 10 days time period how much money on average should I take with me for solely fucking purposes? (I mean in order to get at least average quality girl every day)
Personally, I'd like to visit on low season due to some reasons that are not related to financial matters. In my native language we have saying "the more stuff / option you have, the less quality it eventually becomes".
Thanks in advanceYou may have surfed the internet, but you haven't read much of the forum, or gone to other similar sites. All your answers are there. However, here is some help for you,
1. Yes there are high and low seasons. It is very much the tourist season. There are some festivals like Songkran where a lot of the girls go home.
2. No. Desperation yes, seasons No.
3. We have no idea of your average quality.
3. If you read the Pattaya section, you will get a good idea about the price. Your costs will depend on your taste. Add 10% to your calculated budget.
Finally if you have decided to go in the low seasons, why are you asking for low / high season prices?
You may have surfed the internet, but you haven't read much of the forum, or gone to other similar sites. All your answers are there. However, here is some help for you,
1. Yes there are high and low seasons. It is very much the tourist season. There are some festivals like Songkran where a lot of the girls go home.
2. No. Desperation yes, seasons No.
3. We have no idea of your average quality.
3. If you read the Pattaya section, you will get a good idea about the price. Your costs will depend on your taste. Add 10% to your calculated budget.
Finally if you have decided to go in the low seasons, why are you asking for low / high season prices?Hi Duniawala,
Thank you very much for the answers. Yes, you're absolutely right that I shouldn't have asked about either seasons, maybe it's just so exciting that my thoughts get confused, but I'll try to read the forum over again. But what comes to average quality I don't know what are others' ideas about it. I was just referring what members here describe as 6/10 or 7/10 and better. But anyway you're right about adding another 10 % to the price. By the way what would be your personal recommendation regarding how many days to spend both in Pattaya and Bangkok for each of them within 10 days?
Wolvenvacht
11-16-13, 20:10
Hi all,
I've been browsing this forum for more than a year and decided to make a post finally. I've been to many countries in Europe and I realized that its' time to go to the heaven of mongers on my next vacation. I am planning to visit Thailand sometime next year. I've been surfing the internet regarding Thailand, but I have some specific questions to which I couldn't find any answers. So, my questions are as follows:
1. Are there high / low seasons when it comes to mongering scene?
2. Does high / low season affect prices for girls and hotels?
3. I read on this forum that price range in Patayya is more than double cheaper than Bangkok. So, taking into account my 10 days vacation how many days do you recommend for each destination?
4. Given the abovementioned 10 days time period how much money on average should I take with me for solely fucking purposes? (I mean in order to get at least average quality girl every day)
Personally, I'd like to visit on low season due to some reasons that are not related to financial matters. In my native language we have saying "the more stuff / option you have, the less quality it eventually becomes".
Thanks in advance1. Mongering is always "in season". I never noticed a shortage of girls in Bangkok or Pattaya at anytime of the year.
2. Prices seem pretty stable whatever the time of year. Travel to Thailand and hotel accommodation is more expensive in the tourist high season November till February. Most tourists have no impact on the sex scene however.
3. Pattaya is indeed cheaper than Bangkok, but the difference is not that big. Let's say that in Pattaya there is easier access to cheaper sex. A girl from Beach Road can be as cheap as 500 baht. It will be difficult to find that in Bangkok. But you get the (lack of) quality you pay for.
10 days in Thailand is not long. If you are only interested in the carnal pleasures of Thailand, by all means go to Pattaya the full 10 days. You will not be disappointed. But there is not much to see and do in Pattaya, other than that. In about 4 or 5 days you will have seen all other sights (Beach, temples, shopping malls, floating market, Mini-Siam, crocodile farm,.). Bangkok of course offers lots more.
4. I budget about 3000 baht per day just for adult entertainment (but I do not drink any alcohol, so that cuts the costs somewhat) and most of the time I aim for one LT meeting every other day and perhaps a massage with happy ending in the days I have no LT meeting.
Most tourists have no impact on the sex scene however.And members of ISG on here have no impact on the prices charged by MPs, bar girls, FLs, Escort Agencies or any other form of sex provider.
At best here there are indications of excessive charges, at worst some pay them. At best there are some who have read posts on here, walk away from outrageous charges, at worst, even some pay them.
So the more information on what members pay that is posted on here the better. But not if it provokes the usual storm of accusations of 'ruining the market' and 'you overpaid. '
Just the facts, just the facts please
coming back to bkk for first time in a few years.
i have always preferred nana to cowboy, with rainbow 4 being a necessary first stop, and only then (if still alone) moving on to other bars.
just curious what the lay of the land is now, in a nutshell. i mean, does rb4 still have the most of any bar there, and more or less the cream of the young and or hot ones? i don't have much time, so my preference is usually for as close to 18/19 as possible, just because that is something i can get in bkk that i can't get where i usually am. the risk of starfish isn't something that's a big issue for me. what are some other bars that are pretty good now? last tiime i was there, baccara was best at cowboy, with tilac and shark also pretty good, but not quite on par with rainbow at nana.
and i see below there are quotes of 7000 baht happening? wtf?
what are barfines these days? when i was there last 2000 was a fairly typical st price at nana, maybe 1500 on the low end. they'd quote 3000 for lt that would really turn into a st once in your room, god i hate that.
i've always been curious to take a peek at sapphan kwai, wonder if anyone has tried that out, and could speak to its quality compared to nana and cowboy.
is that disco under ambassador hotel still a pickup spot for fl? that option is a bit too difficult for my taste but could be a backup plan.
Coming back to BKK for first time in a few years.
What are barfines these days? When I was there last 2000 was a fairly typical ST price at Nana, maybe 1500 on the low end. They'd quote 3000 for LT that would really turn into a ST once in your room, god I hate that.
Is that disco under Ambassador hotel still a pickup spot for FL? That option is a bit too difficult for my taste but could be a backup plan.Even blokes with over a thousand posts do not read the back-posts. Lazy?
Bartchamdo
11-17-13, 11:02
1. Are there high / low seasons when it comes to mongering scene? It's definitely easy to find ladies any time of the year, but during high season (roughly November through February) I'd say the scene is thriving. During low season some places are understaffed. Many of the workers like to take long holidays when business is slow.
Right now in Bangkok I see evidence of high season starting. Places I visit are busier than normal. I was at Som's Haven a couple weeks ago and practically every girl was busy and it was only 2:30pm. New massage parlors are opening. Recently a new shop named Analisa opened on Suk. 22. Today on the ISG BKK massage parlor forum I found out some former Mango girls are opening a massage business named "Bamboo Massage". (Cute name, since "Bam" and "Bo" are founders.) November is a good time to be in Bangkok.
Even blokes with over a thousand posts do not read the back-posts. Lazy?Hey, writing all those posts was hard work. I'm entitled to some rest and relaxation, don't you think? ;.)
How many pages back will I need to go to find posts talking about Thai girls, not Russians?
OsakaGin11
11-17-13, 16:27
If you look at the transportation rates on the small board at the entrance of Nana hotel tells that surely someone pays them, or maybe "negotiating" a 20% cut and happy of his skills! Making the supplier even happier as he could sustain an 80% discount and still walk with a good income.
Somebody paying 80$ for the BKK. Conrad trip should be told to tip 20.If you paid $80 from the airport to Conrad Hotel. You should be told to have your head read!
Hi Duniawala,
Thank you very much for the answers. Yes, you're absolutely right that I shouldn't have asked about either seasons, maybe it's just so exciting that my thoughts get confused, but I'll try to read the forum over again. But what comes to average quality I don't know what are others' ideas about it. I was just referring what members here describe as 6/10 or 7/10 and better. But anyway you're right about adding another 10 % to the price. By the way what would be your personal recommendation regarding how many days to spend both in Pattaya and Bangkok for each of them within 10 days?1. Just take a look at the pics in the Photo gallery. Rate your own from there.
2. Just split it in half. Go to Pattaya first. Hotel prices are generally cheaper in Pattaya. And so are the women. But as Wolvenacht said you may like the quality better in BKK. That's up to you.
Member #4698
11-17-13, 18:04
Coming back to BKK for first time in a few years.
I have always preferred Nana to Cowboy, with Rainbow 4 being a necessary first stop, and only then (if still alone) moving on to other bars.
Just curious what the lay of the land is now, in a nutshell. I mean, does RB4 still have the most of any bar there, and more or less the cream of the young and or hot ones? I don't have much time, so my preference is usually for as close to 18/19 as possible, just because that is something I can get in BKK that I can't get where I usually am. The risk of starfish isn't something that's a big issue for me. What are some other bars that are pretty good now? Last tiime I was there, Baccara was best at Cowboy, with Tilac and Shark also pretty good, but not quite on par with Rainbow at Nana.
What are barfines these days? When I was there last 2000 was a fairly typical ST price at Nana, maybe 1500 on the low end. They'd quote 3000 for LT that would really turn into a ST once in your room, god I hate that.Rainbow 4 still has the crème de la crème in BKK Go Go bargirls as far as looks are concerned. There are always 4 or 5 stunners on the right hand side bar stage as you enter, but I think the competition is heating up in Nana. The other Rainbow bars are definitely worth a look see. I favorite girl of mine and a stunner as well now works in Rainbow 1. I also recommend that you check out Mandarin and Billboard. I think you will find some very friendly girls there.
That said, I am surprised that you write the starfish risk is not a big issue for you because that is precisely what turns me off about Rainbow 4. In fact it is because of this attitude so common among many of the RB4 girls, that I have altered my hunting methods when it comes to them. I won't barfine a RB4 girl the first time I meet her. Instead I will buy her a drink, get to know her a little, and equally importantly, let her get to know me a little bit and understand that I am aware of and not into the ST hustle: the 'I want to get back to the bar and find another customer' BS mentality that is too common amongst RB4 girls. On a 2nd or 3rd visit to RB4, If the girl I am interested in remembers me and seems happy to see me, then and only then will I barfine her. So RB4 is a 2 step barfine process for me. As a result I have had some great sessions with a couple of really good looking girls there. My screening process has also resulted in my barfining a lot less girls out of RB4 than I otherwise would have barfined. I am ok with that because I consider a starfish session or a rushed get back to the bar session a waste of my time and money no matter how beautiful the girl is.
Of course I have the semi luxury of time on my side because I usually spend 3 weeks in BKK per trip and I already know a few really great girls from past trips. If a punter was on a short time constraint in BKK or didn't know any girls, I would advise that he forget about RB4 and go to Cowboy (Baccara, Suzi Wong, Crazy House, and Shark). On a looks basis only comparison between Rainbow 4 and Baccara, I would say the top 4 or 5 most attractive Go Go girls are in RB4, and then the next 20 best looking girls are in Baccara. So Baccara has more acceptable / barfine able attractive girls than RB4, but RB4 has the top 5 girls IMHO. I never had a starfish experience with a Baccara girl or with any Soi Cowboy girl for that matter. Maybe I am just lucky or maybe it is just that I am so damn good looking. 555. Prices in Cowboy and Nana have been holding steady for the last 9 months or so. 600bt barfine and 2000bt ST/3000bt LT seems to be the current price.
I look forward to reading your take on Nana and Cowboy after a few years absence.
NB
Member #4698
11-17-13, 19:34
I highly recommend the Saphan Kwai bar scene to experienced BKK punters who want to have a different barhop kind of experience from the usual Nana / Cowboy same same every night. Not that there is anything wrong with Nana and Cowboy. It's great and I love it, but Saphan Kwai is old school and seems like time travelling back 20 to 30 years distance from the glitzy Sukhumvit scene we have today. Most of the customers are Thai, but I also spotted some Japanese customers too.
There are about 10 bars in Saphan Kwai all around the Suda Palace Hotel. I have checked out Music VDO, TDED 99, For You and RCA 2. They all had possibilities so YMMV on any given night. I liked T DED 99 and Music VDO bar best. T DED 99 is very large. It looked like they had at least 50 girls consisting of strippers and hostess girls. Many of the girls were very attractive and young. Until you learn your way around, I suggest you hang out in one of these popular bars with plenty of other customers around. Avoid the bars with few customers.
Ok, so you enter a particular establishment. You can look around and decide if you want to stay. If you decide to stay, they seat you in a booth. You can order beer (only large bottles available with a bucket of ice but at a very good price) or a bottle of whiskey if you are in a group of 3 or 4. You can also order food. Then the mamasans or papasans will bring girls around. If you like a girl you can invite her to sit with you. If you spot a different girl you like, you can ask the mama to bring her by and introduce her. There is a sitting fee of 80bt per girl for every 30 minutes. There are no lady drinks. So there you are, sitting with a nice girl, watching the show (some nudity) , drinking your beer, and maybe eating a little Thai food. The girls are nice. I had a little hanky panky going on under the table with my girl. The mamasan spoke enough English to communicate with. My girl spoke a bare minimum of English, but she smiled a lot and that made up for our lack of verbal communication. I liked her. After an hour or so, I felt like having a Boom Boom. I called the mama over and we conducted our business. First I had my offer conveyed to my girl and she responded favorably to my invitation. Prices are all inclusive of barfine + hotel across the street and payable up front to the mama. ST is 1800bt and LT is 2800bt. The session was a lot of fun. No PSE or anything, but nice. Added to my pleasure was the risqué element of doing this young girl in a ST Saphan Kwai Hotel. The feeling kind of reminded me of my first shags in BKK back in the 80's. It was definitely worth my time and money and yes I will go back again.
1. Are there high / low seasons when it comes to mongering scene?
2. Does high / low season affect prices for girls and hotels?
Personally, I'd like to visit on low season due to some reasons that are not related to financial matters. In my native language we have saying "the more stuff / option you have, the less quality it eventually becomes".The tourist high season is when tourists numbers are typically higher than in the low season.
The mongering high season is the tourist low season.
That is when mongers have a higher ratio of girls available to themselves due to relatively lower number of punters which therefore equates to less competition than in the tourist high season.
On that basis I prefer & suggest coming in the low visitor season, not November through March. May & June may be the best.
Wolvenvacht
11-17-13, 19:52
I highly recommend the Saphan Kwai bar scene to experienced BKK punters who want to have a different barhop kind of experience from the usual Nana / Cowboy same same every night.
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Prices are all inclusive of barfine + hotel across the street and payable up front to the mama. ST is 1800bt and LT is 2800bt.That is interesting.
How long is their idea of ST? 2 hours, multiple pops?
For LT will they come with you to your hotel?
Shocking to say the least! Security in Bangkok go-go's are low class crims loaded on apmhetamines. If challenged at any point just shut up, smile, turn and walk away. Don't even try to reason or argue.
Your skin could be as white as the driven snow but they still hate you (although they will tolerate you, just). I have seen a guy sucker punched and then kicked in the face once he was down. And no he was not brown, but a white Brit. This put me off Nana for a while (back in 2005).
Bouncers in Bali are no better, but I reckon they need to be that way to control those completely uncouth Aussie teens. Witnessed some extreme punch ups that would put anyone off mongering for a while.
I was in BKK for a business trip and decided to go to Nana on my last night. I had dinner and a single beer and headed out to check out the scene. I was totally sober and clear headed. I walked into the entry way of Rainbow 4 cause it seemed to have a lot of girls chilling outside. From behind the curtain, the bouncer pushed me hard and said cannot enter. (I am Indian ethnically but am from the US. My family left India over 100 years ago). I asked why though I knew it was due to being of Indian descent. My questioning why I could not enter made him even angrier and he started shouting at me making a scene. I backed off the entrance to the big corridor in front of all the bars and another guy who spoke better English came and started literally shouting at me. Saying he hated me, accusing me of not having money, to go away, etc. I asked him to calm down and he went ballistic.
Out of the blue, the two Rainbow 4 bouncers and this guy jumped on me. One guys held my head in a lock while another guy punched me in the face. Then they dragged me away and threw me on the ground. Man. This has never happened to me before. I went to find the police to make a report but only saw some private security around.
This happened two days ago and my face is still bruised, my lip is swollen, and my neck is tweaked. I thank my lucky stars I did not resist because I probably would have ended up with a knife in my side.
Warning! Rainbow 4 is run by gangsters. No matter where you are from, do not enter unless you want a trip to a Bangkok hospital scene or a police station.
AssLover945
11-18-13, 00:41
I highly recommend the Saphan Kwai bar scene to experienced BKK punters who want to have a different barhop kind of experience from the usual Nana / Cowboy same same every night. Not that there is anything wrong with Nana and Cowboy. It's great and I love it, but Saphan Kwai is old school and seems like time travelling back 20 to 30 years distance from the glitzy Sukhumvit scene we have today. Most of the customers are Thai, but I also spotted some Japanese customers too.
There are about 10 bars in Saphan Kwai all around the Suda Palace Hotel. I have checked out Music VDO, TDED 99, For You and RCA 2. They all had possibilities so YMMV on any given night. I liked T DED 99 and Music VDO bar best. T DED 99 is very large. It looked like they had at least 50 girls consisting of strippers and hostess girls. Many of the girls were very attractive and young. Until you learn your way around, I suggest you hang out in one of these popular bars with plenty of other customers around. Avoid the bars with few customers.
Ok, so you enter a particular establishment. You can look around and decide if you want to stay. If you decide to stay, they seat you in a booth. You can order beer (only large bottles available with a bucket of ice but at a very good price) or a bottle of whiskey if you are in a group of 3 or 4. You can also order food. Then the mamasans or papasans will bring girls around. If you like a girl you can invite her to sit with you. If you spot a different girl you like, you can ask the mama to bring her by and introduce her. There is a sitting fee of 80bt per girl for every 30 minutes. There are no lady drinks. So there you are, sitting with a nice girl, watching the show (some nudity) , drinking your beer, and maybe eating a little Thai food. The girls are nice. I had a little hanky panky going on under the table with my girl. The mamasan spoke enough English to communicate with. My girl spoke a bare minimum of English, but she smiled a lot and that made up for our lack of verbal communication. I liked her. After an hour or so, I felt like having a Boom Boom. I called the mama over and we conducted our business. First I had my offer conveyed to my girl and she responded favorably to my invitation. Prices are all inclusive of barfine + hotel across the street and payable up front to the mama. ST is 1800bt and LT is 2800bt. The session was a lot of fun. No PSE or anything, but nice. Added to my pleasure was the risqué element of doing this young girl in a ST Saphan Kwai Hotel. The feeling kind of reminded me of my first shags in BKK back in the 80's. It was definitely worth my time and money and yes I will go back again.That sounds like I should check it out, so short term means 2 shots?
Crocodilexp
11-18-13, 06:01
That sounds like I should check it out, so short term means 2 shots?
This is almost never The case these days unless you specifically negotiate it.
BTW, specifying two shots in advance (and getting the girl to agree) is a great way of weeding out the ones who are looking to turn over a customer and be out as fast as possible. They'll disqualify themselves so you don't have to waste time and money. Agreeing explicitly in advance is better than leaving it unsaid since a large class of girls would stay if necessary, but normally leave after a single shot.
Sadly, the times of the old-style 2h "short time" where many girls would hang around until you asked them to leave are long, long gone.
Can't comment on Saphan Kwai specifically (last time I've been there is many years ago), but generally, service quality in the Thai-oriented segment of the industry is lower than in the Farang-oriented one, it's good to adjust expectations accordingly.
BTW, specifying two shots in advance (and getting the girl to agree) is a great way of weeding out the ones who are looking to turn over a customer and be out as fast as possible.My problem with this kind of thing was succeeding in negotiating the LT and then right after completing the deed (quickly! Why worry about cumming too fast when you have all night long for the next one) the girl is immediately begging to leave. Oh, and still wants the LT rate. Especially galling because if I had known it was going to be ST I would have slowed things down a bit and enjoyed it more. So to have an eyeblink of a ST for the LT rate, man, that is really hard to deal with. So the "2 shots" thing works? Maybe that's what we need to say instead of "LT". Now they seem to think LT seems means "I'm a complete idiot who prefers to pay double for ST".
Rainbow 4 still has the crème de la crème in BKK Go Go bargirls as far as looks are concerned.Wow even the words "crème de la crème" sound sexy, with their little accents and French maid outfits. That's what we need, a French maid go-go bar. Ooh la la. Yeah so this is good to know. I think I will have to at least visit the RB's there. I'll give SC a go if I have time. My time is very short this visit, might get 2 nights maximum. When I'm not in Thailand I can get comparable price and quality of not-quite-stunners, so the experience of one of those top 5 there is nice for a change.
I highly recommend the Saphan Kwai bar scene to experienced BKK puntersI I ddi not
Wow, great report. If I get enough time I will try to check some of these places out too. Way back when, some time around 2000, these were the very first places I saw in Bangkok. It was my first time in Asia, and long story short a taxi driver took me to a hotel up there when the one I wanted in Sukhumvit was booked, and I saw some of these places on my way to the hotel, which was right around the corner from them. I was completely green at the time, had never been with a working girl at all, so I didn't go check them out. I've always been curious but also have been too short of time when in BKK to risk an evening for just there, and it is pretty secluded. Now with What's a good time to go, any idea?
Member #4698
11-18-13, 19:49
Hey guys, I have received a lot of PM's about Saphan Kwai which tells me many of us are looking for something new and different. I will answer all PM's, but here is a follow up to the original post and a clarification of sorts.
First and foremost, the Saphan Kwai Bar Scene is a Thai entertainment area. At least 90% of the customers are Thai guys in their late 20's / early 30's. Farangs are welcome and treated fairly, but understand this: Saphan Kwai is their ballpark, their rules, and their girls. Don't come here if you are not appreciative of this fact and are not willing to play it their way. The girls are young and friendly although their English speaking skills are very low. You may be a girl's 1st or 20th Farang as opposed to an RB4 girl, who only caters to foreign visitors, where you can be the girl's 1000th Farang. So don't expect a lot of the Sukhumvit extra bells and whistles like A+, rim jobs, cum in mouth, or ménage a trois. Things are real simple and straightforward here, but at the same time, do not expect to see spoiled, bad attitude, bad behavior here either. It is just straight old fashion sex with a little kissing and maybe a BBBJ thrown in. Don't expect multiple shots. ST is 1 hour or 1 pop whichever comes first. My girl was very sweet and she showed no inclination to rush back to the bar to find another customer. So I had a real good time. LT here means multiple pops, so I would guesstimate a LT session would last 2 or 3 hours, but no longer. The game is always played at their ST Hotel across the street. You are not going to be able to change this unless you become a regular customer and friends with one of the mamasans. If you became a regular, I think more things would be possible and they would loosen up and let you take a girl back to your hotel. Everything in the bar is pretty cheap, but they have a few mandatory extras not found in Sukhumvit Go Go's. For example, beer comes only in the large 640ml bottles for around 100bt, but you will also be charged 10bt for a cold towel and 25bt for a bucket of ice. Don't argue and say you don't want these extras. And like I reported before, there is an 80bt sitting fee per girl for every 30 minutes she spends at your table. There are no lady drinks. Don't quibble! A night out just drinking and watching the show in the company of a cute girl in one of these bars is far less expensive than a night out in any Nana / Cowboy Go Go. And by the way, there is no Cowboy 2 step shuffle here. The girls actually dance!
So why go? To try something different, to have fun in a different bar setting with a real Thai urban middle class/working class culture, and to spend time with a kind of Thai working girl that we are normally not used to. Obviously this area is not for all punters, but I enjoyed it and I know some of you guys will too.
To get there either take a taxi or take the BTS Sukhumvit line to Saphan Kwai Station. Exit the station and walk south the way you came along the east side of Phahonyothin Road. Turn left at the first intersection which is Sutthison Winitchai Road. Walk a few blocks down and you will come to the bars. It is a good neighborhood. No problems. I think the best time to go is around 10:30 to 11pm to get a good seat. All the girls will be there by 11pm. The bars close at 3am. I think Friday and Saturday night would be the best night to come and see the bars rocking with the most excitement and customers, but Thursday night might be the best night to come and find the right girl. Have fun fellow explorers.
Apologies if these question is a little annoying but I have searched the forum and googled extensively and still cannot find definitive answers.
1. Is it legal to take Viagra or its geneeric sildenafil into Thailand?
I have found one report that suggests you might get into a lot of sh*t if caught.
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/544861-thailand-cracks-down-on-viagra-for-foreigners
2. Where can I buy Viagra in Bangkok (preferably Sukhumvit area) and how much does it cost? I'm happy with generic sildenafil. I have several packets at home and it works just as good for me.
Thanks guys
Sir Lancelot
11-18-13, 23:11
I highly recommend the Saphan Kwai bar scene to experienced BKK punters who want to have a different barhop kind of experience from the usual Nana / Cowboy same same every night.Great info. I've heard about Saphan Kwai and it sounds interesting with pretty girls with good attitudes at cheaper prices. But there is something about the bright lights of Nana and Cowboy that keeps dragging me back whenever I'm in Bangkok. I like to try new places though so on my next trip early next year I may well check it out.
HornyDude353
11-18-13, 23:16
Hi,
I've been coming to BKK quite a lot but I normally just get my girls in massage parlours or pick them up in clubs. This forum has been helpful in showing me how to approach girs here along with their prices.
I just have a couple of questions though, do girls work in hotels? As in to they only hang out around certain hotels rather than at Nana plaza or Soi Cowboy, and is there a way to tell which ones are working ones?
Also is there anywhere in BKK where girls from different ethnicities hang out, such as Indian, White or Black? I would really like to have one of those if possible.
Thanks for any help in advance.
1. Is it legal to take Viagra or its geneeric sildenafil into Thailand?
I have found one report that suggests you might get into a lot of sh*t if caught.
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/544861-thailand-cracks-down-on-viagra-for-foreignersI replied to Sammy's questions via PM, but I haven't seen anyone have their luggage searched at Bangkok's airports (either one) in donkey's years. I just can't imagine getting searched for vitamin V.
Hi,
I've been coming to BKK quite a lot but I normally just get my girls in massage parlours or pick them up in clubs. This forum has been helpful in showing me how to approach girs here along with their prices.
I just have a couple of questions though, do girls work in hotels? As in to they only hang out around certain hotels rather than at Nana plaza or Soi Cowboy, and is there a way to tell which ones are working ones?
Also is there anywhere in BKK where girls from different ethnicities hang out, such as Indian, White or Black? I would really like to have one of those if possible.
Thanks for any help in advance.I don't think the ladies actually work for hotels, but many hang out in front of them. Some hang out in Soi 4 in front of the Dynasty Inn. Some on Sukhumvit in front of the Landmark, some in front of Hotels in Soi 7/1. Those are only a few examples. They will generally be obvious and or will approach you and ask if you want company. Look them in the eye and they will likely smile and approach you.
Walk down Sukhumvit between Soi 5 and 11 and you will likely see Black women. Last night a Russian women asked me if I wanted company. She was sitting outside of the Starbucks on the corner of Sukhumvit and Soi 7/1. These are just a few examples.
Apologies if these question is a little annoying but I have searched the forum and googled extensively and still cannot find definitive answers.
1. Is it legal to take Viagra or its geneeric sildenafil into Thailand?
I have found one report that suggests you might get into a lot of sh*t if caught.
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/544861-thailand-cracks-down-on-viagra-for-foreigners
2. Where can I buy Viagra in Bangkok (preferably Sukhumvit area) and how much does it cost? I'm happy with generic sildenafil. I have several packets at home and it works just as good for me.
Thanks guysLook at the date when that submission was posted on the Thai Visa Forum and you should be able to ascertain its veracity!
Apologies if these question is a little annoying but I have searched the forum and googled extensively and still cannot find definitive answers.
1. Is it legal to take Viagra or its geneeric sildenafil into Thailand?
I have found one report that suggests you might get into a lot of sh*t if caught.
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/544861-thailand-cracks-down-on-viagra-for-foreigners
2. Where can I buy Viagra in Bangkok (preferably Sukhumvit area) and how much does it cost? I'm happy with generic sildenafil. I have several packets at home and it works just as good for me.
Thanks guysYou can buy ED drugs at a lot of Pharmacies. One I used is on Sukhumvit near Soi 4. If you are on Soi 4 and walking towards Sukhumvit turn right and it will be within a few steps on the right. You have to be looking for it as it may not be so obvious.
I do not believe there are any problems with bringing ED drugs to Thailand. Taking them home without a prescription could get you in deep sh*t.
Good luck
I replied to Sammy's questions via PM, but I haven't seen anyone have their luggage searched at Bangkok's airports (either one) in donkey's years. I just can't imagine getting searched for vitamin V.Thanks for your help and replies guys.
My generic vitamin V will be staying in my bathroom cabinet at home now that I know where to buy it in Bangkok.
Guys,
My flight is two days from now and every time I check the Bangkok post website it scares the hell out of me.
First there were the yellow shirts in protest, now the red seems to be getting into the action and not to forget the courts (they seem to be adding fuel to fire)
I feel time is ripe for all tourists to hold a protest rally of their own "please let us monger in peace" we'll take the girls along too.
On a serious note, all you guys already in BKK. Please advice what the situation is like and seems to be developing for the next weeks.
Do not want to be confined to my Soi 11 hotel.
Bye!
Guys,
My flight is two days from now and every time I check the Bangkok post website it scares the hell out of me.
First there were the yellow shirts in protest, now the red seems to be getting into the action and not to forget the courts (they seem to be adding fuel to fire)
I feel time is ripe for all tourists to hold a protest rally of their own "please let us monger in peace" we'll take the girls along too.
On a serious note, all you guys already in BKK. Please advice what the situation is like and seems to be developing for the next weeks.
Do not want to be confined to my Soi 11 hotel.
Bye!If I didn't read your post I would not have known of any protests. Maybe they are yet to come, but Soi 11 is safe at the moment. I was there today.
Walk down Sukhumvit between Soi 5 and 11 and you will likely see Black women. Last night a Russian women asked me if I wanted company. She was sitting outside of the Starbucks on the corner of Sukhumvit and Soi 7/1. These are just a few examples.It's actually Coffee World not Starbucks. Just saw the Russian lady again and another blonde sitting near her.
AssLover945
11-19-13, 17:45
I am asking forum member to help me with a good thai massage place.
Want to take my girlfriend, so I am looking for a pure thai massage, without happy ending
We have gone to healthland quite a few times and found them very prudish in their customer interaction, so we have decided to change.
But I really have no idea LOL.
So please help.
I am asking forum member to help me with a good thai massage place.
Want to take my girlfriend, so I am looking for a pure thai massage, without happy ending
We have gone to healthland quite a few times and found them very prudish in their customer interaction, so we have decided to change.
But I really have no idea LOL.
So please help.Can recommend you Lavana Spa, no 4 Soi Sukhumvit 12,
http://www.lavanabangkok.com
Nice and clean Spa facilities and good place to go for a massage together with your girlfriend.
Wolvenvacht
11-19-13, 20:28
I am asking forum member to help me with a good thai massage place.
Want to take my girlfriend, so I am looking for a pure thai massage, without happy ending
We have gone to healthland quite a few times and found them very prudish in their customer interaction, so we have decided to change.
But I really have no idea LOL.
So please help.Go to the what Pho temple (next to the Royal Palace) , it is the center of real Thai massage.
Go to the what Pho temple (next to the Royal Palace) , it is the center of real Thai massage.You also might try The King and I. It is on Sukhumvit Soi 12. My Thai friend goes there and reports back that it is very good, no extras.
It's actually Coffee World not Starbucks. Just saw the Russian lady again and another blonde sitting near her.It is Subway on the corner of 7/1 where the Russian Elena sits (terrace) and propositions to passer by's. She dares to ask even 1800 If she thinks the guy is a newcomer. Anal doesn't seem to be in her menu.
Traveler1234
11-19-13, 21:32
I am asking forum member to help me with a good thai massage place.
Want to take my girlfriend, so I am looking for a pure thai massage, without happy endingCefle. In the small side street opp Office, near the old Livingstone's Lodge, Soi 33. Tel: 026 623 304
Crocodilexp
11-19-13, 21:42
My problem with this kind of thing was succeeding in negotiating the LT and then right after completing the deed (quickly! Why worry about cumming too fast when you have all night long for the next one) the girl is immediately begging to leave. Oh, and still wants the LT rate. Especially galling because if I had known it was going to be ST I would have slowed things down a bit and enjoyed it more. So to have an eyeblink of a ST for the LT rate, man, that is really hard to deal with. So the "2 shots" thing works? Maybe that's what we need to say instead of "LT". Now they seem to think LT seems means "I'm a complete idiot who prefers to pay double for ST".I don't even bother asking for LTs anymore. A proper LT requires a certain degree of chemistry, and this is no longer easy to find. If the girl is actively showing that she doesn't want to be there, then I don't really want her there. Going with an ST first, and then extending it to an LT if both of us are comfortable works better for me.
The "2 shot ST" condition used to work really well for me up to 1-2 years ago (girls rarely refusing) , but now I'm finding that more girls ( 60%) flat out refuse. And that's the end of the discussion. I'm willing to negotiate the price, but have no interest whatsoever in crappy service and poor attitude.
It's the changing nature of the scene, girls are far more mercenary these days.
I am asking forum member to help me with a good thai massage place.
Want to take my girlfriend, so I am looking for a pure thai massage, without happy ending
We have gone to healthland quite a few times and found them very prudish in their customer interaction, so we have decided to change.
But I really have no idea LOL.
So please help.Asian Herbal Association. Sukhumvit Soi 24
Member #4387
11-19-13, 22:33
I don't even bother asking for LTs anymore. A proper LT requires a certain degree of chemistry, and this is no longer easy to find. If the girl is actively showing that she doesn't want to be there, then I don't really want her there. Going with an ST first, and then extending it to an LT if both of us are comfortable works better for me.
The "2 shot ST" condition used to work really well for me up to 1-2 years ago (girls rarely refusing) , but now I'm finding that more girls (60%) flat out refuse. And that's the end of the discussion. I'm willing to negotiate the price, but have no interest whatsoever in crappy service and poor attitude.
It's the changing nature of the scene, girls are far more mercenary these days.I guess we have different experience then. From my latest BKK stays (8 so far this year and still more coming) I feel BKK is the same as before if not better. My experience with BKK is atleast somewhere around 70 visits last 8 years (until end of 2012). The girls I get comfy with perform good in the sack and gives GFE / PSE and more than LT sessions (if I like). They did 8 years ago and still do. The latter years the FL scene is blooming more and more from what I can see. When I speak of FL scene I do not speak of streetwalkers. Only girls hanging in nightclubs and simular venues.
I do invest a bit time into screening and chemistry building and NEVER discuss any money issues. If possible I let girls choose me but the other way around also works well. I can not remember having a girl starting to discuss her price expectations this year (ex one time visiting Spanky in NEP). Infact i can not say I remember any pricediscussions upon leaving a venue whatsoever. On rare occation over the years maby 3 or 4 girls have started to ask how much I give them when in my room. Then it is pants on and walk her back for a new try. My motivation for doing it like this is ofcourse I strongly believe a girl will perform hard to get a good compensation. In most cases money are never mentioned but i allways compensate them even if not needed. If I can sense a girl would be offended by me offering her money I switch the money into gift mode.
But I guess you are stuck into the BG / GoGo scene am I right? In that case I almost don't know anything about that bcs I don't find that setting attractive at all and I have had 3 BF`s over 11 years of mongering heavily (in my early years only did mongering in Venezuela, Colombia and Brazil). I am a 99,8% FL guy..
By the way before someone talks about the safety issue. The only girl steeling money from me was a girl I did BF. So thumbs up for BKK it is pussy heaven FL wice and still very cheap.
I guess we have different experience then. From my latest BKK stays (8 so far this year and still more coming) I feel BKK is the same as before if not better. My experience with BKK is atleast somewhere around 70 visits last 8 years (until end of 2012). The girls I get comfy with perform good in the sack and gives GFE / PSE and more than LT sessions (if I like). They did 8 years ago and still do. The latter years the FL scene is blooming more and more from what I can see. When I speak of FL scene I do not speak of streetwalkers. Only girls hanging in nightclubs and simular venues.
I do invest a bit time into screening and chemistry building and NEVER discuss any money issues. If possible I let girls choose me but the other way around also works well. I can not remember having a girl starting to discuss her price expectations this year (ex one time visiting Spanky in NEP). Infact I can not say I remember any pricediscussions upon leaving a venue whatsoever. On rare occation over the years maby 3 or 4 girls have started to ask how much I give them when in my room. Then it is pants on and walk her back for a new try. My motivation for doing it like this is ofcourse I strongly believe a girl will perform hard to get a good compensation. In most cases money are never mentioned but I allways compensate them even if not needed. If I can sense a girl would be offended by me offering her money I switch the money into gift mode.
But I guess you are stuck into the BG / GoGo scene am I right? In that case I almost don't know anything about that bcs I don't find that setting attractive at all and I have had 3 BF`s over 11 years of mongering heavily (in my early years only did mongering in Venezuela, Colombia and Brazil). I am a 99, 8% FL guy.
By the way before someone talks about the safety issue. The only girl steeling money from me was a girl I did BF. So thumbs up for BKK it is pussy heaven FL wice and still very cheap.Better? As a resident I find it far worse. The FL scene is only good at the perceived "high-end." Girls that used to be in Thermae, the BG, and the street are now going to the higher end discos and getting far more money. Good for them. But I for one am not going to pay that kind of money for the same Isaan girl in a little bit better dress. Still a gal with a sixth grade "edumacation."
The FL scene was better when the economy was not so good. Thermae would attract semi-pros who had office jobs and needed to supplement their incomes. These girls were degreed, could hold a conversation, and were a bit more selective in who they went with, meaning some fun times. They viewed it as a night out with benefits. With the economy in good shape, well perceived good shape, and workers making a living wage, they don't tend to come out much anymore.
I don't even bother asking for LTs anymore. A proper LT requires a certain degree of chemistry, and this is no longer easy to find. If the girl is actively showing that she doesn't want to be there, then I don't really want her there. Going with an ST first, and then extending it to an LT if both of us are comfortable works better for me.
The "2 shot ST" condition used to work really well for me up to 1-2 years ago (girls rarely refusing) , but now I'm finding that more girls (60%) flat out refuse. And that's the end of the discussion. I'm willing to negotiate the price, but have no interest whatsoever in crappy service and poor attitude.
It's the changing nature of the scene, girls are far more mercenary these days.Agreed. Because the punters don't demand it. And they make so much in STs that they do not need to cultivate any type of relationship.
I am asking forum member to help me with a good thai massage place.
Want to take my girlfriend, so I am looking for a pure thai massage, without happy endingTry the King & I at sukhumvit. I've gone a couple of times (years ago!) with Tulip girls who were staying with me for multiple days. Nice to have a good massage after (or before) mind-blowing good sex at my apartment! You can find reviews on Trip Advisor. TTG
Member #4698
11-20-13, 04:24
Thermae would attract semi-pros who had office jobs and needed to supplement their incomes. These girls were degreed, could hold a conversation, and were a bit more selective in who they went with, meaning some fun times. They viewed it as a night out with benefits. With the economy in good shape, well perceived good shape, and workers making a living wage, they don't tend to come out much anymore.Last March I stayed for a while at T21 so I stopped by Thermae on many nights after l said bye bye to my favorite Go Go girl. I liked hunting the late night FL scene from Sukhumvit Asok to Soi 11 and back even if I was not really into getting laid again. First I would check out Thermae and then later make it over to Soi 11. If I did not pick up a girl in Climax, I would walk back to my hotel and usually stop off for a night cap at a friendly roll-away Sukhumvit street bar where I had become friends with the bar girl that worked there and that I had shagged one time. Anyway I always saw some acceptable girls in Thermae and received a lot of smiles and invitations, but I never saw a girl I had to have. They all seemed a little drab and mostly sub-par Go Go quality to me. Then one night a gem walked into Thermae. She was an 8 and she was dressed fine. She walked around the island once and on her second turn I smiled and said hello. She smiled and we struck up a conversation. She spoke English very well. She said she owned a condo and worked in a law office. She also said she only occasionally stopped by Thermae maybe once or twice a month and only when she wanted to. She proudly said she was 29 and I had no reason to doubt all this or care. This was my lucky night. At 10pm I had shagged my favorite Go Go girl and at 1am I was shagging this fox. It was a memorable session. But, I never saw Mai again after that night or anybody even approaching her quality in Thermae. She was the exception to the rule. I tried texting and calling her, but I must have incorrectly written down her number (I had accidentally smudged the numbers on a small piece of paper) or she might have given me a wrong number on purpose. I will never know. Oh well. That's BKK.
Member #4387
11-20-13, 04:35
Better? As a resident I find it far worse. The FL scene is only good at the perceived "high-end." Girls that used to be in Thermae, the BG, and the street are now going to the higher end discos and getting far more money. Good for them. But I for one am not going to pay that kind of money for the same Isaan girl in a little bit better dress. Still a gal with a sixth grade "edumacation."
The FL scene was better when the economy was not so good. Thermae would attract semi-pros who had office jobs and needed to supplement their incomes. These girls were degreed, could hold a conversation, and were a bit more selective in who they went with, meaning some fun times. They viewed it as a night out with benefits. With the economy in good shape, well perceived good shape, and workers making a living wage, they don't tend to come out much anymore.Yes better from my experience as a frequent visitor the last 8 years. Girls you describe from Thermae (semi pros) are mostly the kind of girls I end up with. And even if it is hard to categorize all the girls in a venue I have still no problem finding them or the other way around. Most of my take outs have work or they need some extras for their studies or both(they seem educated, speaks fair to good english and are well behaved). Surprisingly many drive their own cars these days so maby they also need fuelmoney / morgagemoney. When you describe your high end discos I presume you mean places like Insanity, Climax, CM2, Spasso, Mixx, Shock, Bossy, Thermae (approx 1 year since I did a pretty good take out from the left side lined up girs) , Levels, Q-Bar, Bash? From those I only rate A few of them as high end(Levels, Bash, Q Bar). To me the high end clubs are located away from most of these FL nightclubs and cater almost all in to regular Thaigirls (hiso, middleclass girls). A bit more complicated in places like that but take outs can be had but here some personal game comes in handy and ofcourse some girls are looking for sugar daddies as well.
I see more ladies these days in mentioned FL places and one reason could ofcourse be that more and more girls leave the bar / gogo scene as they want to work indipendantly(i could ofcourse be lucky with time and place but i do not think so as i visit them places quite regulary). But the semi pros are still out there and as easy to locate as before (my experience). I compensate the same today as I did 8 years ago (3k more or less) but since I do not discuss any pricings upfront girls don't know what they will get. I don't discuss any timeframe either but in general it ends in LT and above with very few limitations (some are naturaly not into A+ play). But ofcourse from my spendings in the club when they meet me I do think they will not review me as a cheap charlie so I guess most of them atleast expect some compensation.
I am a well educated guy and even if I don't live in BKK to see the same places every day all year around I am not blind to changes (as economy is getting better and more available work to be had but still pay shitty though). But to me BKK is still a very cheap place to monger which has not changed for the worse the latest 8 years both in prices (FL's) and amount of available girls. Stay strong and monger hard.
Yes better from my experience as a frequent visitor the last 8 years. Girls you describe from Thermae (semi pros) are mostly the kind of girls I end up with. And even if it is hard to categorize all the girls in a venue I have still no problem finding them or the other way around. Most of my take outs have work or they need some extras for their studies or both (they seem educated, speaks fair to good english and are well behaved). Surprisingly many drive their own cars these days so maby they also need fuelmoney / morgagemoney. When you describe your high end discos I presume you mean places like Insanity, Climax, CM2, Spasso, Mixx, Shock, Bossy, Thermae (approx 1 year since I did a pretty good take out from the left side lined up girs) , Levels, Q-Bar, Bash? From those I only rate A few of them as high end (Levels, Bash, Q Bar). To me the high end clubs are located away from most of these FL nightclubs and cater almost all in to regular Thaigirls (hiso, middleclass girls). A bit more complicated in places like that but take outs can be had but here some personal game comes in handy and ofcourse some girls are looking for sugar daddies as well.
I see more ladies these days in mentioned FL places and one reason could ofcourse be that more and more girls leave the bar / gogo scene as they want to work indipendantly (I could ofcourse be lucky with time and place but I do not think so as I visit them places quite regulary). But the semi pros are still out there and as easy to locate as before (my experience). I compensate the same today as I did 8 years ago (3k more or less) but since I do not discuss any pricings upfront girls don't know what they will get. I don't discuss any timeframe either but in general it ends in LT and above with very few limitations (some are naturaly not into A+ play). But ofcourse from my spendings in the club when they meet me I do think they will not review me as a cheap charlie so I guess most of them atleast expect some compensation.
I am a well educated guy and even if I don't live in BKK to see the same places every day all year around I am not blind to changes (as economy is getting better and more available work to be had but still pay shitty though). But to me BKK is still a very cheap place to monger which has not changed for the worse the latest 8 years both in prices (FL's) and amount of available girls. Stay strong and monger hard.Interesting to read about your experiences. Of course we all come at it from a different perspective.
I would rate the prices of many of those clubs as "high end," omitting maybe Climax and Insanity. Drinks are at Western prices and gals are asking in many of them close to what you would pay in the West. And yes, I would say many of the gals there are looking for sugar daddies and are not quite good looking enough for well to do Thai guys.
To me 100 USD (3k) is a lot of money to pay for a ST experience. In fact when you account for currency changes it is 4X what the average ST was 10 years ago. LT, I could see it, but then again I have a live in here and do not take gals LT.
Of course I also don't enjoy the music in discos and have no desire to hang out drinking with a bunch of gals. The "party" aspect has just become less appealing.
Now if there was a great bar that had hundreds of craft beers, bands like Wilco playing, and working girls, I would be all over it.
Peace. Have Fun!
It is Subway on the corner of 7/1 where the Russian Elena sits (terrace) and propositions to passer by's. She dares to ask even 1800 If she thinks the guy is a newcomer. Anal doesn't seem to be in her menu.Actually she was sitting at Subway. However, if you are walking down Sukhumvit from Soi 7, you will see Coffee World first on the corner and Subway, which you don't see until you get to 7/1 and turn left or look back. They share the same building.
She is definitely not one of those hot looking Russians, but she is white, if that is what someone wants.
Fun Filled
11-20-13, 12:37
Hi everyone,
I am interested in Russian / Uzbaki or euro girl. For that which is better place BKK or Pattaya. I know the places in BKK to find Russian girls but I have not been to Pattaya since last 10 year. Update on that will be highly appreciated.
I am asking forum member to help me with a good thai massage place.
Want to take my girlfriend, so I am looking for a pure thai massage, without happy ending
We have gone to healthland quite a few times and found them very prudish in their customer interaction, so we have decided to change.
But I really have no idea LOL.
So please help.Cefle in Soi 33. In the alley opposite the old Livingstone Lodge. They are full in the evenings so make reservation.
To me 100 USD (3k) is a lot of money to pay for a ST experience. In fact when you account for currency changes it is 4X what the average ST was 10 years ago.You can't use currency fluctuation in your valuation of what the price was 10 years ago. Keep the argument in the currency your paying the girl. I used to pay $85 USD for an hour in Canada when the exchange rate was 1. 55 to 1 USD. The canadian rate ten years ago was in the $140 cad range. The rate today is $180 to $200 cad. Not a huge jump for the average canadian but now that the USD is 1:1 tourists from the USA are now paying $180 (more than double).
So what was the price for ST in thai baht ten years ago vs ST today in thai baht?
HornyDude353
11-21-13, 00:07
I don't think the ladies actually work for hotels, but many hang out in front of them. Some hang out in Soi 4 in front of the Dynasty Inn. Some on Sukhumvit in front of the Landmark, some in front of Hotels in Soi 7/1. Those are only a few examples. They will generally be obvious and or will approach you and ask if you want company. Look them in the eye and they will likely smile and approach you.
Walk down Sukhumvit between Soi 5 and 11 and you will likely see Black women. Last night a Russian women asked me if I wanted company. She was sitting outside of the Starbucks on the corner of Sukhumvit and Soi 7/1. These are just a few examples.Thanks for the info. Another question I just would like to know is, is it worth going to the blowjob bars? I have heard mixed reviews as some people say service can be good but the ladies in general are not that good looking. I just want to know if anyone has been to any, I have seen a few like star of light, Kangaroos & Dr BJ's but always been hesitant to go in.
Also with freelance girls is there a higher chance of getting conned?
Fellow mongers,
I have been RTFB, and have seen nothing of late on the Beer Garden in Bangkok. Any reports on that or the general freelancer scene in the area of late?
Thanks
Somewhere15
11-21-13, 04:40
It's actually Coffee World not Starbucks. Just saw the Russian lady again and another blonde sitting near her.Starbucks, Coffee World or Subway and the same (older) Russians who hold their offices their for at least the last 5 years.
The black population is changing from time to time but Elena seems to have a perminent VISA for Thailand. Lol.
Somewhere15
11-21-13, 05:01
Guys,
My flight is two days from now and every time I check the Bangkok post website it scares the hell out of me.
First there were the yellow shirts in protest, now the red seems to be getting into the action and not to forget the courts (they seem to be adding fuel to fire)
I feel time is ripe for all tourists to hold a protest rally of their own "please let us monger in peace" we'll take the girls along too.
On a serious note, all you guys already in BKK. Please advice what the situation is like and seems to be developing for the next weeks.
Do not want to be confined to my Soi 11 hotel.
Bye!Since two days I am back to Bangkok and whatever there is a Monk died of political protest nothing visual is changed.
Tuesday evening around 2 AM Bangkok Beat had too close 2 hours before their normal closing time because of "police" and Wednesday at around 1:15 the same for Levels which means business as usual.
Enjoy your stay!
SirWilliam4
11-21-13, 05:43
Fellow mongers,
I have been RTFB, and have seen nothing of late on the Beer Garden in Bangkok. Any reports on that or the general freelancer scene in the area of late?
ThanksI was just in the BG the last few days. Lots of ladies. Lots of so-so ladies. A couple of real attractive ones. One quoted me 1000 THB. I took one for 1500 THB for 3-4 hours. A real winner. 8.5. 9.0 in looks and body. At least that good in bed. It's always worth a prowl and see what is there.
SW
SirWilliam4
11-21-13, 05:48
I am asking forum member to help me with a good thai massage place.
Want to take my girlfriend, so I am looking for a pure thai massage, without happy ending
We have gone to healthland quite a few times and found them very prudish in their customer interaction, so we have decided to change.
But I really have no idea LOL.
So please help.Foot Joy. Two locations. Soi 11 and Soi 8. Older, experienced ladies. Check out Pa at the Soi 8 location. Attractive, younger lady. Delightful, two hour Thai massage. 500 THB +tip.
SW4
Thanks for the info. Another question I just would like to know is, is it worth going to the blowjob bars? I have heard mixed reviews as some people say service can be good but the ladies in general are not that good looking. I just want to know if anyone has been to any, I have seen a few like star of light, Kangaroos & Dr BJ's but always been hesitant to go in.
Also with freelance girls is there a higher chance of getting conned?First let me add to my previous response. The black ladies can also be found starting between Soi 3/1 and Soi 5. Start at Soi 3/1 and walk to Soi 7/1 and get an idea of the quality. There may be more down to Soi 15. They don't come out until after midnight when the street bars are set up. At least that is when I have seen them. I saw some of them several nights ago.
I can't answer about the BJ joints as I have never been to them. I have seen some good lookers in both the joints in Soi 7/1, but looks does not equal good service. Hopefully someone with experience at some of them can recommend a good performer for you.
business is supposed to right down, due to political troubles, and the isg bangkok forum seems very quiet.
however i walked into doll's house at 7pm opening time and within a few minutes 3 other guys had separately entered also. i thought was suprising that so many arrived by 7:15pm. i was concerned that all, like me, were arriving early to get the special girl before anyone else could. suprisingly noi was available and i barfined her fairly promptly, got a st session in at asoke place st hotel, and then returned to my room to do some more work.
my thought process was that if i did the work first and went to the bar late at 11pm, noi would no longer be available.
she is slim, very sexy ass and good on the bed due to exceptional pussy muscles. also very popular. does lt too but i didn't want it due to work needing to be done. certainly there are very good bar girls around, if pick the right girls. she is apparently over 30 but guys sometimes ask to check her id. as scared she may be ****. lol body shows no signs of wear and tear at all. nice padded pussy. tits small but do not sag.
Bartchamdo
11-21-13, 12:45
thanks for the info. another question i just would like to know is, is it worth going to the blowjob bars? i have heard mixed reviews as some people say service can be good but the ladies in general are not that good looking. i just want to know if anyone has been to any, i have seen a few like star of light, kangaroos & dr bj's but always been hesitant to go in.i think it's worth going. i used to be a fan of [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s, but that was before they raised their price and limited all visits to 30 mins max. i haven't been to dr. bj's salon yet, largely because of the 30 minute time limit there.
it helps to get a recommendation for all these places. your experience will vary tremendously based on the girl. i've had some great experiences at som's haven and a few mediocre ones. i've found that the owner, som, is very helpful in recommending ladies. she has never steered me wrong when helping me pick.
a few years ago i used to visit star of light, but i'm no longer a regular. when i visited in recent months the girls just seem incredibly mercenary, even more than you'd expect from a sw. mercenary to the point of being cold and unfriendly. still, i know there is real talent there.
Thanks for the info. Another question I just would like to know is, is it worth going to the blowjob bars? I have heard mixed reviews as some people say service can be good but the ladies in general are not that good looking. I just want to know if anyone has been to any, I have seen a few like star of light, Kangaroos & Dr BJ's but always been hesitant to go in. Also with freelance girls is there a higher chance of getting conned?And you are expecting Miss Universe to give you a BJ for 700B? Just close your eyes when you go.
And you are expecting Miss Universe to give you a BJ for 700B? Just close your eyes when you go.Over "good looking." Putting it crudely, when she is on her knees with your pr*ck deep in her mouth you won't see much but her the top of her head bobbing up and down. I am trying to imagine a BJ where looks matter but cannot.
Whilst "good looks' are a help if you are walking the lady back to your hotel, they really don't figure if you are getting a BJ.
Rambling round I constantly see tourists "wai'ing" every local they meet. Particularly the Americans who seem to think it is culturally necessary to establish their credentials.
I never 'wai. ' I return a respectable "Good 'Day'". 'Day' being morning, afternoon or evening as appropriate.
Watching tourists thy never get the 'way' quite right and it looks crude.
Comments please. Am I right not to 'wai? '. As a retired gentleman.
And you are expecting Miss Universe to give you a BJ for 700B? Just close your eyes when you go.Even with stunners giving a BBBJ I look at their lips 90 percent of the time.
Even when banging a stunner I'll often close my eyes & imagine all kinds of other girls in porn or those I've done. I'm sure the Thai ladies do the same when with unattractive farang customers. When you fuck them are their eyes open & looking at you, or are they somewhere else?
i think it's worth going. i used to be a fan of [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s, but that was before they raised their price and limited all visits to 30 mins max. i haven't been to dr. bj's salon yet, largely because of the 30 minute time limit there.as in any business, time is money. you can't expect a girl grants an hour of her time for 700b, to be shared with the establishment.
look at oilies or soapies or mp's, call them as you like, either you pay an extra to the girl (500/1000/1500) and the location fee, as in oilies, or the "all included" of soapies, end you will end up to pay more or less the same amoun of money, for a more or less similar amount of time.
take the barber shops in china, where you get a bj or a fs for a few bucks: it is a 10/15' max 30' job.
wam bam thank you m'am business model.
Rambling round I constantly see tourists "wai'ing" every local they meet. Particularly the Americans who seem to think it is culturally necessary to establish their credentials.
I never 'wai. ' I return a respectable "Good 'Day'". 'Day' being morning, afternoon or evening as appropriate.
Watching tourists thy never get the 'way' quite right and it looks crude.
Comments please. Am I right not to 'wai? '. As a retired gentleman.This topic has been done to death several times before. It is not suited to the Bangkok Thread. The General Thread is okay if it really needs rehashing. You can lookup guidelines of Wai in Thai culture on Wikepedia.
As in any business, Time is money. You can't expect a girl grants an hour of her time for 700b, to be shared with the establishment.
Look at oilies or soapies or MP's, call them as you like, either you pay an extra to the girl (500/1000/1500) and the location fee, as in oilies, or the "all included" of soapies, end you will end up to pay more or less the same amoun of money, for a more or less similar amount of time.Why would I go to a BJ shop? Only if really pushed for time (or have very little money). Like I have a 30 min window. If you have plenty of time, you may as well take a great MP girl.
i think it's worth going. i used to be a fan of [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s, but that was before they raised their price and limited all visits to 30 mins max. i haven't been to dr. bj's salon yet, largely because of the 30 minute time limit there.
it helps to get a recommendation for all these places. your experience will vary tremendously based on the girl. i've had some great experiences at som's haven and a few mediocre ones. i've found that the owner, som, is very helpful in recommending ladies. she has never steered me wrong when helping me pick.
a few years ago i used to visit star of light, but i'm no longer a regular. when i visited in recent months the girls just seem incredibly mercenary, even more than you'd expect from a sw. mercenary to the point of being cold and unfriendly. still, i know there is real talent there.lollipop1 is the best of these places. one issue with recommending girls is that they move around so much. six months ago there was a very cute go go type girl a [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) who was very skilled but she has moved on.
also it is very easy to position yourself on the couch to where the girls are looking up at you and making eye contact.
Also it is very easy to position yourself on the couch to where the girls are looking up at you and making eye contact.Of course looks always matter. Others are welcome to be blown by a hag if they wish.
WarmStone25
11-22-13, 01:02
You can buy ED drugs at a lot of Pharmacies. One I used is on Sukhumvit near Soi 4. If you are on Soi 4 and walking towards Sukhumvit turn right and it will be within a few steps on the right. You have to be looking for it as it may not be so obvious.
I do not believe there are any problems with bringing ED drugs to Thailand. Taking them home without a prescription could get you in deep sh*t.
Good luckHow can you tell if the drugs sourced from these places are the genuine article?
How can you tell if the drugs sourced from these places are the genuine article?Tell where the drugs come from unless you track them from the factory. However with the prices of genuine ED drugs dropping to sensible levels, the incentives for knock-off copies has dropped.
If you can buy before you travel often much bette.
How can you tell if the drugs sourced from these places are the genuine article?From Suk Soi 4 petrol station, head towards Soi 2. The 2nd pharmacy is a very reliable provider of good generic copies of many pills of various types with best prices, not just ED (I had to look up what ED was). They do massive sales business and rely on their reputation for quality. They will not sell anything below standard. Open long hours too. You can also pay a lot extra for "original" Viagra, Cialis or whatever, if want to waste your money. It will probably be priced 5 times higher than the generics. My boss asked me to get some genuine Cialis for him. Very important LOL. I have no idea how to prove it is genuine. You can test the hologram quality? I would suggest just buy the cheaper "genuine" generic copy.
I would not be game to buy the street sold versions.
Mr Enternational
11-22-13, 04:05
What ever happened to this guy who was supposed to go to Thailand last month? A lot of questions and no field reports.
Thanks for the response. I am not worried about getting fake 100B but about the fake 1000B at the money changers. I will be bring cash and will be changing about US$2000 in Bangkok. I never saw anything on the forum about fake money which is why I never gave it a second thought until one friend told me that he had gotten fake 1000B at a money changer. This was the reason why I ask if anyone here have ever received fake money at a money changer.
Paul Kausch
11-22-13, 07:20
From Suk Soi 4 petrol station, head towards Soi 2. The 2nd pharmacy is a very reliable provider of good generic copies of many pills of various types with best pricesIs it the pharmacy next to Bully's Pub?
How can you tell if the drugs sourced from these places are the genuine article?I bought some Levitra from a pharmacy in Pattaya and they were fake. I could tell by the color. Levitra shows the pill on their web site and it states that if the color doesn't match, it's fake. The fake pills worked, but not near as good as the real ones. They were half the price of the real thing. I decided to stick with the real stuff that I mostly bring from home. I don't know how to tell if V or C are fake. Although, I have heard you can get some good fake V in Thailand.
The pharmacy on Sukhumvit, going right around the corner from Soi 4, had the real stuff and the real price tag.
Is it the pharmacy next to Bully's Pub?If you were here in Thailand, you would not need to ask the question. You can use Google street view to have a virtual reality of it and answer your own question.
If I go there, I am not noticing Bully's pub, so I guess it is just before. Next door? Maybe, but who cares?
Are you coming to Bangkok eventually? ;) Or were you here when I was not? I just returned after 2 months away.
Crocodilexp
11-22-13, 15:16
As in any business, Time is money. You can't expect a girl grants an hour of her time for 700b, to be shared with the establishment.
Take the barber shops in China, where you get a BJ or a FS for a few bucks: it is a 10/15' max 30' job.
Wam bam thank you m'am business model.That's exactly what we don't want in Thailand and instinctively recoil from.
I've done plenty of Chinese hookers and it's remarkable how unpleasant they turn as soon as money exchanges hands. They want you out of there quick and make no secret about it. In Thailand, it's obviously about money, but we used to have an illusion of not being rushed. Sure, most people will take under 20 min to pop, but the thought of not being rushed through and forced out is something that distinguishes Thailand from most working girl scenes the world over.
If the girl is so blatantly on the clock, why go any further than Frankfurt-am-Main? Sure saves the airfare for most folks.
It's fair not to reward of a business for too aggressive time-limit practices.
Paul Kausch
11-22-13, 16:03
If you were here in Thailand, you would not need to ask the question. You can use Google street view to have a virtual reality of it and answer your own question.
If I go there, I am not noticing Bully's pub, so I guess it is just before. Next door? Maybe, but who cares?
Are you coming to Bangkok eventually? . Or were you here when I was not? I just returned after 2 months away.I did use use Google street view to follow your directions. It appeared the pharmacy you recommend was next to Bully's. If it is, it's a good landmark to use to locate the pharmacy. As the Google street view images are not current and commercial buildings turnover I was just asking for confirmation. I'll be staying on Sukhumvit on my December trip and am using street view to re-familiarize myself with the neighborhood.
Sure, most people will take under 20 min to pop, but the thought of not being rushed through and forced out is something that distinguishes Thailand from most working girl scenes the world over.
If the girl is so blatantly on the clock, why go any further than Frankfurt-am-Main? Sure saves the airfare for most folks.
It's fair not to reward of a business for too aggressive time-limit practices.I take a full 2 hour short time. Girls don't mind so much because the tip is good, and at Suzi Wong take two girls to share the workload. There is never any rush with these girls.
Cannot say the same for Rainbow 4 girls where are often looking to return within the half hour I reckon.
In Frankfurt I am not sure if you refer to Red Light district quickies or to FKK where you can go as long as you like but will pay for each half hour.
Sometimes a BKK bargirl will day she has a customer booking at 10PM but can fit you in at 7PM. At least can still get a 2 hour ST in.
In one case I took a popular bargirl at 6. 30PM. Was either take her early or miss out. However still got well over an hour.
Its amazing how many guys think they can pay the girl to not take any other customers on same day or same week, but she will find ways to sneak in some other customers, even if paid not to. Girls that are very busy making a lot of money, don't want a BF and the jealousy hassles that come with it. Some of them would rather work as a hooker and make good money themselves.
That's exactly what we don't want in Thailand and instinctively recoil from.
I've done plenty of Chinese hookers and it's remarkable how unpleasant they turn as soon as money exchanges hands. They want you out of there quick and make no secret about it. In Thailand, it's obviously about money, but we used to have an illusion of not being rushed. Sure, most people will take under 20 min to pop, but the thought of not being rushed through and forced out is something that distinguishes Thailand from most working girl scenes the world over.
If the girl is so blatantly on the clock, why go any further than Frankfurt-am-Main? Sure saves the airfare for most folks.
It's fair not to reward of a business for too aggressive time-limit practices.I am not supporting the clock watchers, but I was elaborating on the cost / time.
I too don't like the rush, doesn't matter if I pop 1 or 3 times in 60 or 90 minutes.
But on the other hand I cannot expect that at 700 baht for a BJ in a venue, much time being given to me. Even if, as a joke, I can say 10' is enough, including shower.
My example, wanted to show that the hourly rate in MP and alike is more or less 1500/1800 baht, if not more.
So 700 for half an hour is a "cheap" price, taking into account that covers both the venue and the girl fees.
Rambling round I constantly see tourists "wai'ing" every local they meet. Particularly the Americans who seem to think it is culturally necessary to establish their credentials.
I never 'wai. ' I return a respectable "Good 'Day'". 'Day' being morning, afternoon or evening as appropriate.
Watching tourists thy never get the 'way' quite right and it looks crude.
Comments please. Am I right not to 'wai? '. As a retired gentleman.Old and respected Thai hands told me not to wai. The subtleties of the wai escape use anyway and we could easily demean ourselves.
Return the wai with a smile. Leave it to the tourists.
Feelz Good
11-23-13, 03:01
First off, thanks to all the posters for info that made me confident enough to travel 30 hours for some fun all alone. I am a first timer to the scene in Thailand, and started out in Bangkok and will Pattaya. Stayed in hotel near Nana Plaza. Got to hotel at midnight Bangkok time. I don't know what time my body was on, except to say tired. Got settled and got a burst of adrenaline. So I had a Thai massage to loosen me up from trip. Nothing to look at but god she had strong hands and knew how to use them. Day one woke up at 8 had some breakfast and walked around to check out the area. Wow, those internet videos and photos did not prepare for how small this Nana district is. Must be me, anyway I had to have a Bangkok soapy first and a friendly hotel staff referred me to Angara Massage located on Petburi Road Bangkok. At 4PM gave taxi driver the address and because of political protest mobs blocking street travel, we arrived in about an hour. Couldn't tell you how far away from hotel this place was, but I arrived. Didn't look like much from a back alley entrance and once inside greeted by a gentleman that guided me to fishbowl of about 15 ladies. He wrote 3000 on a card and pointed at 3 of the young ladies. I asked are they the best, he nodded yes. It took me about 2 seconds to pick #28. They were all doable except maybe three or four which impressed me. Joy, #28 comes out behind the glass wall and takes my hand. Don't know the correct protocol but took me to front counter and the gentleman boss guy asked for payment. Handed him 3000 Baht and then he looked at me with his hand out and said 500 Baht for me. WTF, they got me. I must have had a newbie sign on my back. Gave him 500 Baht and Joy took me up 2 flights of stairs. Now, to say this place looks tired and needs some cosmetic work is an understatement. If the wear in the carpet could talk, somebody here is rich. Went to room with a big tub, blow-up mattress on floor, and a bed. Joy says for me to get undressed and begins to fill up tub. She undresses and is beautiful with perfect natural tits. Start of in tub and then blow-up mattress, and then a fantastic massage and fuck on bed. Typical soapy from what I have reviewed and lasted about hour and half with one pop. She cleaned me up, I was walking on air, grabbed taxi back to hotel that was almost an hour again but I have no sense of distance. Got in my room at about 8 and fell asleep. Woke up at 1AM took a shower and got to Nana Plaza at 2AM. Took me about 10 mins to get approached by young ladies and I am an old fat guy. Don't know if this is the norm but at 2:30 AM there was gorgeous pussy everywhere. Any look or age group you wanted was there plentiful. Settled on a Chinese / Thai mix gal that was 31years old. She wanted 2000 Baht for long stay and two pops. I played hard to get and got her down to 1200 Baht for ST 2 pops with massage. She agreed and we went to my hotel and had pretty mechanical half and half. After first pop she washed me up and proceeded to a very good massage. Wow, do they teach massage in high school here? Proceeded to second pop and after a energetic half an hour I apologized and told her it wasn't going to happen. It wasn't her fault. Jetlag or whatever I just didn't have any more juice. Sent her on her way and got some sleep. More experiences to come when I get a chance.
Old and respected Thai hands told me not to wai. The subtleties of the wai escape use anyway and we could easily demean ourselves.
Return the wai with a smile. Leave it to the tourists.That has always been my approach. And is a useful warning to Americans who think that they are being culturally aware by trying to way.
Paul Kausch
11-23-13, 06:22
that has always been my approach. and is a useful warning to americans who think that they are being culturally aware by trying to way.while i think it is not wise to practice a custom one does not know, i found this alternative point of view on the internet.
the thailand wai is very important to thai people but they forgive and ignore stupid foreigners about it like they do with the other stupid mistakes thoughtless visitors make because they are too lazy to learn.
highest wai. thumbs on top of the nose and a slight bow. basically what the thai news readers on the news shows do at the end of the show. this demonstrates max respect and should be given only to an older person who is highly placed or revered. not often used by foreigners because it risks over doing it, but definitely use this when acknowledging a buddha.
mid high. thumbs on top of chin. this would be good to use with your doctor or other person important to you, but almost never to a person younger than yourself regardless.
standard. tops of fingers almost touching chin. this is to say hello / goodbye to persons of respect, like police, judges, teachers, grandparents and the like but rarely to a person younger than yourself.
lower standard. thumbs touching center of your chest. good to use to answer anyone wai ing you in the higher categories if they are younger or in a serving capacity to you. note, this is the wai all people use when in a buddhist ceremony where the whole audience is listening to a monk prayer or speech. the all purpose return wai for serving people wai-ing to you.
the general rule is the wai is higher for people older than you or if a boss or superior, for example. it is used for both hello and goodbye. if one hand is full, join it in the best wai you can and if both hands full, wai anyway as best you can; never give a thai a single hand wai, although it is very common in tibetan buddhism.
note that a little bow, like a dip of the head is another sign of respect and often is given by people on motorbikes and while driving car or if acknowledging someone across the street or at a distance.
the wai is not a strictly religious gesture like western praying hands are.
it is better to practice these positions because sloppy wai is seen as half hearted and not sincere. just going thru the motions or even being cynical or insulting on purpose. an open handed wave near the face is ok done by foreigners, but do not crook the fingers in motion or in a still gesture.
some thai enjoy a hand shake because it makes them feel cosmopolitan but many see it as an intrusion but will smile and do it to humor the cute / pet acting that foreigners do. better to wai or wave unless the thai extends hand to shake first.
this is no small matter to thai, but like the other things uninformed foreigners do, thai will smile and think "aren't these foreigners quaint or childlike or just rude."
so there are four ways to wai. most people would rarely encounter a situation where the first kind would be used. so that leaves three not very difficult actions to master and learning the context in which to use each. not very difficult. easy to see why thais perceive visitors to their country who don't bother to learn how to wai as stupid and lazy.
I am an American. I never wai. It is totally unecesary for a Westerner to wai. But if a falang does the wai I doubt it would be offensive to a Thai. Most Thais realize the falang doing the wai is trying to be respectful whether they do it correctly or not.
Americans aren't the only falangs I've seen doing the wai.
So there are four ways to wai. Most people would rarely encounter a situation where the first kind would be used. So that leaves three not very difficult actions to master and learning the context in which to use each. Not very difficult. Easy to see why Thais perceive visitors to their country who don't bother to learn how to wai as stupid and lazy.That was actually a very good summary indeed that you quoted, leaving out just one point, which is can Wai with just one hand, if the other hand is busy carrying something. Your last point is a bit too strong re "stupid and lazy". Its well known that Farangs don't understand the Wai well.
business is supposed to right down, due to political troubles, and the isg bangkok forum seems very quiet.
however i walked into doll's house at 7pm opening time and within a few minutes 3 other guys had separately entered also. i thought was suprising that so many arrived by 7:15pm. i was concerned that all, like me, were arriving early to get the special girl before anyone else could. suprisingly noi was available and i barfined her fairly promptly, got a st session in at asoke place st hotel, and then returned to my room to do some more work.
my thought process was that if i did the work first and went to the bar late at 11pm, noi would no longer be available.
she is slim, very sexy ass and good on the bed due to exceptional pussy muscles. also very popular. does lt too but i didn't want it due to work needing to be done. certainly there are very good bar girls around, if pick the right girls. she is apparently over 30 but guys sometimes ask to check her i'd. as scared she may be ****. lol body shows no signs of wear and tear at all. nice padded pussy. tits small but do not sag.not enough sex going on right now. lol.
i took noi from doll's house a 2nd time this week. she is highly recommended for guys who have a soft and slow approach. she is not keen on being hammered but can be quite orgasmic with the soft slow approach. slim girl only a cups but a stunning ass and pussy. pussy muscles that squeeze and massage your dick. during the 69, i was so much in heaven i was unsure i should stop that and move on to another position. her bbbj was super excellent for me. did not ask if she takes cim. however cannot leave out doggy with that stunning ass. she is very busy, despite working the bar less than a year, and has a lot of pre-booked customers. wise to show up quite early, before the best girls get taken. naturally i collected her phone number so i check when she is available.
NeverJerkOff
11-23-13, 07:14
I've lived here 9 1/2 months and don't pretend to study the culture but I have always been heavily advised not to wai. It is a very silly thing to do, especially for an older person but I've seen far worse behaviors displayed. The only time I do this is when I am introduced to an older person. For instance, I go to a girls apartment building and we bump into her neighbor. If the person is younger they will probably wai to me.
I will tell you the number one thing to do in Thailand that I never see mentioned anywhere. It will be the difference between people respecting you and not respecting you. From getting good service as opposed to bad service and deter people from ripping you off. Say khrap after everything. For taxis, hotel khrap. Airport khrap. For food, hamburger khrap, coke khrap. A subway order should go down like this. Bacon and Egg khrap. Rye bread khrap. Mayonaise khrap. Chili Sauce khrap.
Paul Kausch
11-23-13, 07:22
Your last point is a bit too strong re "stupid and lazy". Its well known that Farangs don't understand the Wai well.Syzygies,
You are right to call me out on that. It's wrong to suggest farang tourists who have amassed the means to fly halfway around the world, stay in a five star hotel, eat at over priced restaurants and over tip SWs are stupid and lazy. (I've tried unsuccessfully to insert a smile and wink here but for some reason the semicolon followed by closed parenthesis is not producing the desired result even though smilies is on in this post).
I think being polite, friendly and cheerful is universally understood and sufficient. I also think taking the time to learn how to properly wai and say a few basic polite phrases in Thai is a good idea.
I went to Thermae a few days ago just to have a quick look and check out my luck. Started chatting with one girl, who was resisting first, as I am not a Japanese, or a 'Falang' as they say. But I pulled a few jokes, she started laughing and was cool. I asked her, 'why girls at Thermae only go Japanese' and she said 'because Thai girl think Falang vely big and take long time' to which I told her 'but Japanese also big and long time or not? ' She insisted, 'no, no, Japanese small 'showing me her small finger 'and finish fast; quick money for Thai girl. ' I told her it was not like that until a few years ago, she said, she only had been going to Thermae for two years.
Then she started telling me this story: 'One time, Falang like my friend a lot, he told her she go with him but no sex, only looking. ' Apparently, he paid the girl 3, 000 Baht to get naked and he would wank it off. We both started laughing a lot and joking about that. 'Ok, you naked for me and I wank wank for you'
Then she started pointing me to girls, which ones might go with non Japanese and which ones wouldn't. It was funny, I was getting first hand inside info on Thermae, and the girls seem to all know each other. One white old man would walk to some girl and right away the girl I was talking to said 'she no go Falang, no way, ' and the guy was desperately trying to talk to the girl, but she told him off and kept looking away, getting little annoyed. I joked and told her may be the girls should wear a sign that read Farang ok, or Japanese only.
In the end, the girl came with me and said 'some time big size ok for me. ' Had a pretty good time with her, getting drunk together, etc, we really talked and joked a lot :); . I had told her I would pay long time, but after a few hours and sessions, she asked 'ok I leave now, or me stay till morning', and I happily told her 'ok to leave now', I was ready to sleep for the night, alone in my own bed.
Syzygies,
You are right to call me out on that. It's wrong to suggest farang tourists who have amassed the means to fly halfway around the world, stay in a five star hotel, eat at over priced restaurants and over tip SWs are stupid and lazy. (I've tried unsuccessfully to insert a smile and wink here but for some reason the semicolon followed by closed parenthesis is not producing the desired result even though smilies is on in this post).I don't waste money on 5 star Hotels unless its a cheap special price, nor eat in massively priced restaurants, and my trips to a good restaurant are limited. I have more sympathy for needy girls trying to support their children, parents etc, and would rather over tip just a little instead, if the girl really deserves it. I believe in reward for giving a great time, and effort put in. I can't pay a great performing girl exactly the same as a crap girl. It would not be justice. I have to consider do I want her to treat me as a priority customer or not. I am a believer that very popular girls will give their customers a preference or pecking order based on how good a customer they are for providing good money regularly, and then on how much they enjoy the time with the customer as 2nd criteria. Treating girls poorly or being stingy does not get a customer to a priority status.
Working girls are often preferring old nice and generous guys over young handsome men that are up themselves.
I am still not a price negotiator, rarely discussing prices with girls at all. Occasionally, I get a girl that says "I need 2000 for a ST". Rather than negotiate, I normally just take it, or leave it, depending on how the chemistry is going. Its a bit too steep for a very short session but to me O.K. for a 2 hour session. In Germany I would get just 30 mins for around that price so 4 times the amount of time is getting close to equivalent. In Germany, would be normal to take extra time rather than just tip a girl extra. However in Thailand there is no time based model, unless you are at an MP and need more than the standard time of 1.5 or 2 Hours. Can happen I have wanted to extend in an MP when girl was unreleasable.
Paul Kausch
11-23-13, 18:17
I don't waste money on 5 star Hotels unless its a cheap special price, nor eat in massively priced restaurants, and my trips to a good restaurant are limited. I have more sympathy for needy girls trying to support their children, parents etc, and would rather over tip just a little instead, if the girl really deserves it. I believe in reward for giving a great time, and effort put in.
Working girls are often preferring old nice and generous guys over young handsome men that are up themselves.Syzgies,
I've missed your posts while you were out of town. They are filled with useful information and good advice. My facetious remark about expensive hotels, restaurants and generous tipping was written to convey that I understand if you have money to travel to Bangkok you probably work at least reasonably hard and are probably reasonably intelligent; or you inherited it or won the lottery. And I was poking fun at the tipping arguments on the forum.
I agree with you about giving deserving girls a good tip. Last week's Stickman article was an interview with four ladies working for Pure Bangkok Escorts, a new advertiser on his column. The ladies make remarks I've heard from dozens of escorts. These ladies are trying to do their job well, genuinely want to please their clients, care nothing about the appearance or age of their clients, prefer older men because they are nicer and don't try to turning fucking into a contest to see if they can get five shots in one night; they are only in it for the money; and their is nothing wrong with that. They all make it clear that no woman would want to be an escort, and escorts are at the top of the SW pecking order, if there was another way to make as much money. One young lady's family lost their house in a flood and is trying to make enough money to rebuild it. Others have bought houses, farm land, cars for their mums and are saving money to start businesses. I always remember these are attractive young ladies who are giving me their bodies for my pleasure. As long as they have a good attitude and are trying to please me I tip them generously. Also, when it comes to feeding myself I almost always eat at the street stalls. The food is good and cheap, and I try to be sensibly frugal so I can afford to splurge on certain things. However, when I'm with a working girl LT I will take her to a nice restaurant, take her dancing at a nice club, try to make that part of the evening fun for the lady. What goes around comes around, which gets confirmed back in my hotel room.
Feelz Good
11-23-13, 20:54
Did some site seeing and shopping. Met up with a fellow board member and we had a few beers and compared notes on our first time to the Thailand scene. As we sat talking and having a beer 2 bar girls came over rubbing our legs asking for drinks and food. I mostly refused because I had the less attractive one, but my lucky partner in crime bar fined his and took off. I sat there to finish my beer and then left and walked around for while and stopped at few beer bars enjoying the scenery. Found this little spinner starring at me so I got up and introduced myself. Well, she spoke very little English but I thought I could teach her a few words like, suck, swallow, cowgirl, and again. Finally figured her name was Eye and she agreed to 1500 Baht for single pop and from all indications from the night before that is all this old guy gots anyway. This 23 year old girl was very tiny and petit and that is what I wanted tonight. So far you can have anything you want. So did this 90 pound Barbie doll and threw around in several positions and finished after of about a hour of pounding. I was proud of myself on how good did. Not pornstar stuff, but I will remember this episode.
From Suk Soi 4 petrol station, head towards Soi 2. The 2nd pharmacy is a very reliable provider of good generic copies of many pills of various types with best prices, not just ED (I had to look up what ED was). They do massive sales business and rely on their reputation for quality. They will not sell anything below standard. Open long hours too. You can also pay a lot extra for "original" Viagra, Cialis or whatever, if want to waste your money. It will probably be priced 5 times higher than the generics. My boss asked me to get some genuine Cialis for him. Very important LOL. I have no idea how to prove it is genuine. You can test the hologram quality? I would suggest just buy the cheaper "genuine" generic copy.
I would not be game to buy the street sold versions.It is a very reliable shop indeed. Usually there is a large thai Chinese lady pharmacist behind the counter or an older gent (probably the husband). I have frequently bought genuine Cialis from here. The price was around 2000-2500 Baht for a box of 4 (over 3 years back). I would like to try the generics but have no idea which ones to go for and which ones are sold in Thailand. Any recommendations are welcome.
It is a very reliable shop indeed. Usually there is a large thai Chinese lady pharmacist behind the counter or an older gent (probably the husband). I have frequently bought genuine Cialis from here. The price was around 2000-2500 Baht for a box of 4 (over 3 years back). I would like to try the generics but have no idea which ones to go for and which ones are sold in Thailand. Any recommendations are welcome.I don't know every generic. Simple Kamagra green tabs are the generic Viagra 300 Baht per 4 tabs. Apcalis is the generic Cialis probably 400 Baht per 4 tabs. I did not check recently. So generics are massively cheaper.
I guess will have generic Levitra too and Kamagra gel packs, etc.
Don't know much about Levitra.
Old and respected Thai hands told me not to wai. The subtleties of the wai escape use anyway and we could easily demean ourselves.
Return the wai with a smile. Leave it to the tourists.Well I have lived here for 8 years. I find this advice a bit silly and paternalistic. If I am waied, and I usually am, I will always return it. As I am older, people wai me first; I regard it as impolite not to return this. You don't need to make a big deal about it regarding the hand positions unless you are in the presence of high ranking people.
I don't know every generic. Simple Kamagra green tabs are the generic Viagra 300 Baht per 4 tabs. Apcalis is the generic Cialis probably 400 Baht per 4 tabs. I did not check recently. So generics are massively cheaper.
I guess will have generic Levitra too and Kamagra gel packs, etc.
Don't know much about Levitra.Thanks. Will try out Apcalis and Kamagra gel.
Thanks. Will try out Apcalis and Kamagra gel.Be careful. Don't take a whole Kamagra 100 mg dose. Its too powerful. Unless you already have used Viagra and know how much is right. Many find a quarter or 25mg dose is adequate.
ConquerorVal
11-24-13, 14:40
I was proud of myself on how good I did. Not pornstar stuff, but I will remember this episode.Great trip report. Continue the good work. Looking forward to reading more about your experiences.
WarmStone25
11-24-13, 15:09
Thanks. Will try out Apcalis and Kamagra gel.The safest way to buy these drugs is from a registered and reputable pharmacy. Where I come from I have used an online service, a well known chain of high street pharmacy's, where you get a prescription from a doctor online, to buy generic Sildenafil. This has the same active ingredient as Viagra.
I have not had any trouble carrying these in my wallet, on my trips in Europe.
I am planning a trip to Bangkok, and it occurred to me as to whether or not there may be regulations against carrying such drugs, in a small quantity, into the country.
I took Noi from Doll's House a 2nd time this week. She is highly recommended for guys who have a soft and slow approach. She is not keen on being hammered but can be quite orgasmic with the soft slow approach. Slim girl only A cups but a stunning ass and pussy. Pussy muscles that squeeze and massage your dick. During the 69, I was so much in heaven I was unsure I should stop that and move on to another position. Her BBBJ was super excellent for me. Did not ask if she takes CIM. However cannot leave out doggy with that stunning ass. She is very busy, despite working the bar less than a year, and has a lot of pre-booked customers. Wise to show up quite early, before the best girls get taken. Naturally I collected her phone number so I check when she is available.Nice meetig.
How old?
How to find her? Number?
Feelz Good
11-24-13, 21:41
Did some tourist stuff and had a good dinner and took a nap. Woke up at 9PM showered and got out to Nana for few drinks. Remarkably less crazy on Sunday night compared to last night. But, the bitchs were out. Also noticed, but it could be me as I am getting more in tune, that there was a lot more lady boys out than what I saw the previous few days. Maybe Sunday night is their day, or maybe just a coincidence. After a few drinks at Golden's, I like Golden's because you get to check out the freelancers at Nana parking lot, right in front of you. I think it is humorous to watch and see mongers do their moves and see the hoe reactions. But it was time for my move, I spotted this cutie and I think she spotted me checking her out, so I went over to make sure she was looking at me and not the guy next to me at Golden's. Sure enough, it could of been me or the other guy, whatever we will never know, she didn't care she is there for the money. Her name was Anna. 25 year old, and she had more meat on the bone than previous conquests and was what I was looking for. Negotiated ST for 1000 Baht for 1 pop and massage. Had a very loud session, she is a screamer, which was kind of neat. She loves to fuck and boy she was probably my best lay so far in Thailand. She wasn't the prettiest, she didn't have the best body and wasn't the best built, and she wasn't the most expensive, but I would love to do her again. Monger Wisdom 101, don't guess the content of a book by its cover. I have had many a dead fish in my bed that could have won a beauty pageant. I am leaving Bangkok and off to Pattaya in the morning. Don't know when I will get my next chance for an update and need to get settled and check things out.
Nice meetig.
How old?
How to find her? Number?I don't use numbers so have no clue. Turn up to Doll House very early. I have described her well enough already. Not so young but looks young.
Suzie Wong opposite has many young girls. Also can look at Shark and Baccarat side pending on your style.
Well I have lived here for 8 years. I find this advice a bit silly and paternalistic. If I am waied, and I usually am, I will always return it. As I am older, people wai me first; I regard it as impolite not to return this. You don't need to make a big deal about it regarding the hand positions unless you are in the presence of high ranking people.Agree 100%. Its no great effort to Wai back to acknowledge rather than completely ignore. Makes us look more friendly if we Wai back in the similar way that the Thai people would do. We look like tourist when we Wai first, the wrong status people.
Those that have been here many years and cannot Wai at all, might look either ignorant or arrogant. Tourists don't need to worry.
My company cancels the BKK trip due to the political situation developing over in Thailand.
So many thought about fantasies down the drain.
This to be lucky dog. Is now a weeping puppy.
Next targeted trip to be now in Jan. Fingers crossed.
All you guys take care!
In Bangkok go-go's being quoted 600BF and 2000ST Are these acceptable prices? Is this want most of you go go hounds are paying? If not what are you actually paying the girls and how are you getting them to reduce prices? Also noticed that in the places I went to the mamasan or management was the one explaining prices to me.
Thanks
Last night I decided to visit a place I heard about but never went to before-Climax disco on Soi 11. I had no intentions of getting a girl; just wanted to sit quietly and observe to see if it was a place I wanted to pick up from in the future. Whenever I do this in a Pattaya disco I am completely ignored; and so I thought it would be the same here.
To make a long story short I paid my 250B got my "free" beer and found a lone table in the back and sat to observe. But I found that even though guys out numbered the girls I was drawing a lot of attention and smiles. I smiled back and quickly looked away to avoid any interactions. (It was 2AM and I had to get up early the next morning; I wasn't here to buy just to look) These are working girls and I didn't want to waste their time.
But I found my "non-interaction strategy" was not going to work. Because then the girls started to approach me to introduce themselves! Now this was completely unexpected; it never happened in Pattaya. The girls were not stunner but otherwise attractive. I wold smile and tell them I am waiting for a friend and they would get the hint and slink away. But then a new girl would soon take her place! And the replacements kept getting younger and more attractive until the final one was a real young beauty with a great personality! I finally decided I had to abort my mission and made my escape.
So my question: Is this normal for this disco? Is it really this easy to pick up young very attractive hookers? You just have to sit there and they come to you or was this unusual? Were these girls targeting me for a robbery or something? Or am I being paranoid? I old enough to be the young beauties father; why talk to me with all the other sausage in there?
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So my question: Is this normal for this disco? Is it really this easy to pick up young very attractive hookers?It's normal. They are hookers as you yourself said. You pay and you cum.
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So my question: You just have to sit there and they come to you or was this unusual? Were these girls targeting me for a robbery or something? Or am I being paranoid?You are being paranoid.
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So my question: I old enough to be the young beauties father; why talk to me with all the other sausage in there?Old man, one pop, old man happy, easy money for the beauties.
Paul Kausch
11-25-13, 19:12
I old enough to be the young beauties father; why talk to me with all the other sausage in there?It is probably universally true that SWs prefer older men. It is not a myth. They are not saying this to ingratiate themselves to old farts like you and me. They find us to be more polite, easy going, not inclined to turn sex into a contest to see how many times we can cum; and we are less critical. If you are a gentleman of a certain age even a 30+ year old SW with a few minor flaws or blemishes seems young and beautiful. SWs really do worry about whether we think they are pretty. They feel more confident with older men. Read last week's Stickman Weekly interview with four escorts. They discuss this topic in that article. I have heard pretty much the same from scores of escorts on several continents over the past couple of decades.
Wolvenvacht
11-25-13, 19:38
In Bangkok go-go's being quoted 600BF and 2000ST Are these acceptable prices? Is this want most of you go go hounds are paying? If not what are you actually paying the girls and how are you getting them to reduce prices? Also noticed that in the places I went to the mamasan or management was the one explaining prices to me.
ThanksThese are prices that indeed are quoted in Bangkok agogo-clubs. When you ask the mamasan, for sure she will tell you that is the "normal" price, so I never ask her.
But "a price quoted" is not necessarily "a price paid". Only two years ago I found a girl from Suzie Wong willing to go LT for 1500 baht (+ 600 baht BF) only. But then again I have paid 3000 baht for LT in that same establishment as well. Everything will depend: do you still have time enough to go and hunt elsewhere? Then do so! Or is it already 3PM and clubs are closing? Then your options may be more limited. Is she a real stunner (and she knows it!) , then you will need superior negotiating talents to make her come down to a more reasonable price-level.
In the end, it is a "willing buyer - willing seller" market. You can tell the girls that you read on the internet the "right" price is only 1200 baht for ST. It will not make any impression on her. Just quote the price you think she is worth and see if she accepts. If not, there are many more fish in the sea.
I don't know if this has been covered before, but right now there is a police presence in Soi Cowboy. They are not interested in the girls in bars at all. They have stopped street vendors from selling in the Cowboy, and there are no people selling watches, clothes, dolls, food, etc. And especially no Cambodian street urchins begging for money.
Still seeing some Asian gentlemen talking away a ladyboy or two though. Not sure if the LBs came from Cockatoo (a cock-or-two) bar or somewhere else. Of course I could be mistaken. Asian guys are into girls with a lot of operations or adjustments, so its possible some could be girls that look like LBs.
I managed to get Noi at Doll House again after her regular customer could not show due to wife issues. She is an amazing girl from butt to pussy, to BJ, to the way she moves on the bed. No wonder she has accumulated so many regular customers in just 6 months. It is to great advantage to her to dance naked as her body is an eye magnet despite small tits. No one has an ass like hers. If she worked in an MP, customers might think she looked ordinary with clothes on. She will quit early next year having paid off all the debts. Many customers have requested her not to change phone numbers since she might want a bit of freelance on the side after she quits the bar.
In the end, it is a "willing buyer - willing seller" market. You can tell these girls that you read on the internet the "right" price is only 1200 baht for ST. It will not make any impression on her. Just quote the price you think she is worth and see if she accepts. If not, there are many more fish in the sea.Yes indeed. With many girls, it is about how much they need more so than how much they are worth. Some girls are wanting significantly more than they are worth. These types don't get many repeat customers.
My girl Noi was happy with 2K for ST, but turns out she is actually worth more than that in comparison to average girls. She is like top 1% in my opinion.
Wolvenvacht
11-25-13, 22:20
I don't know if this has been covered before, but right now there is a police presence in Soi Cowboy. They are not interested in the girls in bars at all. They have stopped street vendors from selling in the Cowboy, and there are no people selling watches, clothes, dolls, food, etc. And especially no Cambodian street urchins begging for money.At last! For almost a year now there is a banner over Soi Cowboy, declaring the area a specially secure area, thanks to your friendly neighborhood police force. So it seems they finally got their act together.
Yes indeed. With many girls, it is about how much they need more so than how much they are worth. Some girls are wanting significantly more than they are worth. These types don't get many repeat customers.
My girl Noi was happy with 2K for ST, but turns out she is actually worth more than that in comparison to average girls. She is like top 1% in my opinion.Quite a statement. 2k is a lot of money for an hours work. Starting salary for a uni grad is supposed to by 15k a month, but is usually more like 12k. Yet a sixth grade "edumacated" bumpkin from upcountry who does not really know sh*t from Shinola can get some foreign dude to pay her 2 full working days salary for an hour. Good on the gal and too bad for the Farang.
Yes indeed. With many girls, it is about how much they need more so than how much they are worth. Some girls are wanting significantly more than they are worth. These types don't get many repeat customers.They all want more than they're worth!
Any guy who understands the Thai prostitution market knows that all of the girls in the tourist gogos are overpriced and are being propped up by ignorant tourists and japs (and there's no shortage at the moment). If all the tourists (and Japs) dissapeared, these girls would have to sell it at their true Thai "worth" which would be about 1k ST (1kST +600 bf). No thai man would pay more than that for these type of girls.
In Bangkok go-go's being quoted 600BF and 2000ST Are these acceptable prices? Is this want most of you go go hounds are paying? If not what are you actually paying the girls and how are you getting them to reduce prices? Also noticed that in the places I went to the mamasan or management was the one explaining prices to me.
ThanksIt would be hard to maneuver much on these prices during high season! Also, look at the numbers of Japs around. If you see a lot of them then you're pretty much fucked, and will have to pay top dollar!
Quite a statement. 2k is a lot of money for an hours work. Starting salary for a uni grad is supposed to by 15k a month, but is usually more like 12k. Yet a sixth grade "edumacated" bumpkin from upcountry who does not really know sh*t from Shinola can get some foreign dude to pay her 2 full working days salary for an hour. Good on the gal and too bad for the Farang.It's the same world over. A university graduate in the Uk can get £25, 000 / year; an uneducated tart can make four / five times that for half a year's work. Tax free. It is true the distortion in Thailand is greater but that is because it is moving from a low paid day worker agrarian economy to a more mixed economy.
Whilst Baht 2, 000 may be a lot of money in Thai terms to the European a f*ck for £40 = and often for £20 is bloody good value.
Paul Kausch
11-26-13, 03:41
Yes indeed. With many girls, it is about how much they need more so than how much they are worth. Some girls are wanting significantly more than they are worth. These types don't get many repeat customers.
They all want more than they're worth!
Any guy who understands the Thai prostitution market knows that all of the girls in the tourist gogos are overpriced and are being propped up by ignorant tourists and japs (and there's no shortage at the moment). If all the tourists (and Japs) dissapeared, these girls would have to sell it at their true Thai "worth" which would be about 1k ST (1kST +600 bf). No thai man would pay more than that for these type of girls.I think we're all aware there are two prices in Bangkok: one for farangs, one for Thais. This is true for sex; it is also true for entry into the National Palace.
While some individuals may overpay, when there is a free market supply and demand will always result in a "fair" price. We all know the Ratchada soapies apply a farang surcharge, and my experience frequenting these establishments is some of the ladies absolutely do not want to go with a farang while other are willing because they will get a couple hundred extra bahts. Natty Bumpo made some excellent posts about Saphan Kwai. The prices sound good but notice he warned not expect a PSE. The ladies f*ck the way Thai ladies and gentlemen f*ck, not the way farangs do.
I think Thai women initially have to overcome their reluctance of getting f*cked by a farang and their disdain for the way we use our mouths while having sex. While we are willing to pay extra to women who are willing to f*ck us the way we like it.
What I find interesting is that Thai woman who go into the segment of the sex industry that caters to us initially do so because they know the money is good; however after awhile some discover they enjoy DFK and DATY, which would never have happened if they had stuck to just Thai men.
It's the same world over. A university graduate in the Uk can get £25, 000 / year; an uneducated tart can make four / five times that for half a year's work.A university graduate in the USA can get $30,000 / year. While an uneducated, no talent drek can go drive a truck in Afghanistan and make triple that, plus get a couple weeks vacation in Thailand every three months. And a westerner who can't afford to live in his own country can strut around like a little kinglet in SE Asia. You do the best you can for yourself, while these Thai girls do the best they can for themselves. Live and let live.
Quite a statement. 2k is a lot of money for an hours work. Starting salary for a uni grad is supposed to by 15k a month, but is usually more like 12k. Yet a sixth grade "edumacated" bumpkin from upcountry who does not really know sh*t from Shinola can get some foreign dude to pay her 2 full working days salary for an hour. Good on the gal and too bad for the Farang.My ST is 2 hours. Plus I did not mind to pay 2k for a very superior girl. I would not pay that for average girl. There was no negotiation. Same as I tip very superior girls at MPs a bit extra, but not for a crap session. I reward performance and never will pay the same to every girl.
In Germany 2 hours would cost 8000 Baht with a Romanian girl. I would then often take just 1 hour to reduce the cost. These Romanian girls are making massively more money than they could get in a normal job back home. Guys who want really cheap have options of Pattaya or Cambodia. In my case price is not the main criteria.
When she gets several guys showing up at the same time, and she does some days, she has to decide which customer she should run to.
Wolvenvacht is dead right about matching the buyers price with the sellers price but I don't like to negotiate. Mostly girls do not quote a price to me.
Girls are taking sex over a normal job in order to make much more money than normal. Otherwise why put up with these guys fucking and groping them. Comparing to a normal salary makes little sense. Some bar girls are not making much because they have few customers. I would estimate that my bar girl Noi is making 40k to 50k per month as is very popular and does both ST and LT. Busy MP girls can make a lot more than that but they have the drawback of no choice of customer. Many bargirls are struggling now as BKK very quiet.
I guess Amjeck has to take time to find a girl willing to screw for very little. Some of us don't have the time for that. If can find a hot girl I will just sneak to the MP for a short time. If have a bit more time can do a bargirl. I have been to biergarten to look at the freelancers, but they just don't do much for me, and I don't have time to wait for the right superior girl to show. Nana car park girls are not interesting me either. I also prefer to see an array of girls naked first so I am sure the body is what I look for.
Different guys are in completely different situations and therefore have completely different modes of operation. For me time is scarce and than is my main focus. There is no time to hunt for a great girl at a great price. Today I have to put in several hours of work, and have to take GF shopping LOL.
They all want more than they're worth!
Any guy who understands the Thai prostitution market knows that all of the girls in the tourist gogos are overpriced and are being propped up by ignorant tourists and japs (and there's no shortage at the moment). If all the tourists (and Japs) dissapeared, these girls would have to sell it at their true Thai "worth" which would be about 1k ST (1kST +600 bf). No thai man would pay more than that for these type of girls.I got news for you. The Thai men at upper class Soapies are paying considerably more than 1K for girls whose looks are not that special (to my eye) and whose performance is also not that special. There are relatively few all natural great lookers (I am quite fussy) in these places and they go for a lot more than 1K for Thai customers. Most Soapy girls are just very average lookers, perhaps with whiter skin (does little for me) and perhaps with silly sharp or piggy noses and silly ball shaped tits. These girls spend much on doing hair styles and makeup but it doesn't hide their somewhat average looks. I am not finding girls I want to keep repeating in the lowest class Soapies. Most of my regular Soapy girls seem to come from up market places, and even there its not easy to find the right super girl. I have tried the cheap places if have anything that looks acceptable (often not).
2k is a lot of money for an hours work. Starting salary for a uni grad is supposed to by 15k a month, but is usually more like 12k. Yet a sixth grade "edumacated" bumpkin from upcountry who does not really know sh*t from Shinola can get some foreign dude to pay her 2 full working days salary for an hour.No its not. That's always been a false argument.
There's no shortage of accounting clerks with uni degrees. They are a dime a dozen. And you don't have to fly thousands of miles to third world, ooops, developing nations to find them. Pretty young girls who are willing to spread their legs for a few bucks for some slob who can't otherwise get laid have much more value.
And if she can fake it and make you actually believe she likes it she become 'gem' does't she?
Paul Kausch
11-26-13, 04:48
I got news for you. The Thai men at upper class Soapies are paying considerably more than 1K for girls whose looks are not that special (to my eye) and whose performance is also not that special. There are relatively few all natural great lookers (I am quite fussy) in these places and they go for a lot more than 1K for Thai customers. Most Soapy girls are just very average lookers, perhaps with whiter skin (does little for me) and perhaps with silly sharp or piggy noses and silly ball shaped tits. These girls spend much on doing hair styles and makeup but it doesn't hide their somewhat average looks. I am not finding girls I want to keep repeating in the lowest class Soapies. Most of my regular Soapy girls seem to come from up market places, and even there its not easy to find the right super girl. I have tried the cheap places if have anything that looks acceptable (often not).Additionally, based on what I read and hear G-clubs are cropping up right and left and their business is booming. Most members are Thai, the ladies are very expensive company, and they only offer company. For sex you make arrangements to see them on another night. The ladies aren't interested in a one night stand. They are looking for a full-time sponsor. Men with plenty of money to spend will spend plenty of money on women.
JohnsonAndBill
11-26-13, 06:00
My company cancels the BKK trip due to the political situation developing over in Thailand.
So many thought about fantasies down the drain.
This to be lucky dog. Is now a weeping puppy.
Next targeted trip to be now in Jan. Fingers crossed.
All you guys take care!I am planning to come to Bangkok on Saturday for a week. Can someone in the area tell me how bad the situation is?
Any general statement about what Thai guys pay or get is never going to be really accurate because there are such a range of them. There are truck drivers and laborers who pay B300 for the girls in the bushes at Sanam Luang. There are rich guys who pay huge amounts for models and actresses. And there are loads of middle-class guys who pay a whole range of prices depending how flush they're feeling at the moment. It's also hard to generalize about whether or not they get 'better' girls than we do as their tastes tend to be different than ours. For one thing they tend to be more concerned with the girls' personalities and conversational abilities. Western guys tend to be more into the girl's performance.
Bottom line, Thai or farang, given enough time and effort, most of us can still usually find in Thailand what we want at a price we're willing to pay. And what else matters?
I am planning to come to Bangkok on Saturday for a week. Can someone in the area tell me how bad the situation is?As of today the demonstrations are confined to a small art of the city intent on disrupting the GoT a lll to the west of China town. Main tourist areas totally unaffected.
Mr Enternational
11-26-13, 06:19
It is probably universally true that SWs prefer older men. It is not a myth.You wrote about SWs whereas Monopoly asked about disco chicks. On the flip side of what you are saying, I know many hookers who say they are grossed out by older men, the same as you may be by women much older than you.
JohnsonAndBill
11-26-13, 06:27
As of today the demonstrations are confined to a small art of the city intent on disrupting the GoT a lll to the west of China town. Main tourist areas totally unaffected.Thanks for your reply. Hopefully the situation will come under control in next 2 3 days.
Bottom line, Thai or farang, given enough time and effort, most of us can still usually find in Thailand what we want at a price we're willing to pay. And what else matters?Yes otherwise why would we be here or on this Forum?
Quite a statement. 2k is a lot of money for an hours work. Starting salary for a uni grad is supposed to by 15k a month, but is usually more like 12k. Yet a sixth grade "edumacated" bumpkin from upcountry who does not really know sh*t from Shinola can get some foreign dude to pay her 2 full working days salary for an hour. Good on the gal and too bad for the Farang.Thailand is getting expensive. supermarket prices have risen a lot. Its hard to live in central Bangkok on 15K and impossible if have others to support. Most working girls do have others to support. Could be mother, sister, daughter, BF, etc.
Paul Kausch
11-26-13, 08:13
You wrote about SWs whereas Monopoly asked about disco chicks. On the flip side of what you are saying, I know many hookers who say they are grossed out by older men, the same as you may be by women much older than you.I wasn't aware FLs are not SWs? As for the women at Climax, a large percentage go there when the gogos they work in close. They're gogo bar dancers moonlighting as FLs trying to pick up one more client. I'd be willing to bet a fair number of those ladies approaching Monopoly were gogo bar girls.
FLs, gogo bar girls, MP girls, escorts, they're all SWs working in different segments of the industry. I described my conversations with escorts because I've had more frank conversations with more escorts than other types of SWs.
I'm expect you could find some SWs who tell you older men gross them out. They're going to tell a younger guy they prefer younger guys and muscular guys that they like men with big muscles; and I agree when it comes to relationships most women prefer a man who is not too much older; but when it comes to sex for money, they don't care about age or appearance. They do care about whether you are clean; and the petite and less experienced ones may be concerned when they encounter a man who is unusually well endowed. SWs are looking for the best client and the older men tend to be better clients. It's not uncommon to see an elite escort who is in high demand stating on her website that she will not see a man who is younger than 35.
Put a well dressed, well groomed older man who appears to have money next to a good looking young guy who looks like a bum with no money and see who attracts the SWs. Now it may be true that some of those SWs may have a cute young boyfriend with no money whom they are supporting, but that's a different matter. SWs see no connection between work and their personal lives. The fact that both involve sex is just because that's the nature of their work.
Personally, I believe good SWs provide a valuable service. They give men who are young and old, fat and fit, handsome and not so an opportunity to have a great time with a pretty young lady. I guy who is self conscious because of his age or appearance can set those concerns aside and just enjoy himself.
Wolvenvacht
11-26-13, 08:27
They all want more than they're worth!
Any guy who understands the Thai prostitution market knows that all of the girls in the tourist gogos are overpriced and are being propped up by ignorant tourists and japs (and there's no shortage at the moment). If all the tourists (and Japs) dissapeared, these girls would have to sell it at their true Thai "worth" which would be about 1k ST (1kST +600 bf). No thai man would pay more than that for these type of girls.You have just described 75+% of the economy: a fair price for most consumer goods would be production + shipping + "normal" profit margin". Except "normal" is something like 200% for companies like Apple, Nike, ... They only survive because we, the consumer, are happy and willing to pay for their overpriced things.
I see no difference between that and our hobby.
Paul Kausch
11-26-13, 09:38
You have just described 75+% of the economy: a fair price for most consumer goods would be production + shipping + "normal" profit margin". Except "normal" is something like 200% for companies like Apple, Nike, . They only survive because we, the consumer, are happy and willing to pay for their overpriced things.
I see no difference between that and our hobby.Good point, but I'd change the formula slightly:
Cost of goods + overhead + profits. It's not uncommon for a product's MSRP to be 10 times what it cost to manufacture. However, when you look at the company's annual report you may see a profit of only 5 percent. This is because overhead costs are huge. Packaging often costs more than the product. Liquor brands spend more money on the fancy bottles super premium vodkas are packaged in than the contents of the bottle. The same is true with cosmetics. Advertising, marketing and promotion costs for some products are also huge expenses. Decades ago in the USA Kmart revolutionized retail by adopting a merchandising plan and point of sales system like grocery store chains use to lower overhead. Target, Walmart and many other discount retailers have copied the strategy. Stuff is expensive because we want shopping to be an "experience" and are willing to pay for the posh stores, fancy packaging and stupid ads.
Similarly, we are paying for the overhead in the sex industry. The space the gogo bar's stage takes up adds to the rent, and then there is the stage, lighting and sound system. Part of the bar fine and the cost of the lady drinks are covering these costs. The MPs have to pay for the room you're shagging in and the water you use when you shower. The people running the escort agencies take half of what you pay to the escort to cover their overhead.
You do get rid of these overhead costs when you negotiate directly with an FL; however, the price point reflects the most the guys are willing to spend and the least the ladies are willing to accept. Sure there are some outliers. Some guys don't know the going rate and overpay. Some ladies are desperate and will occasionally sell themselves at a discount. But by and large it's the market place at work.
The ladies do have several advantages. The guys have spent a bundle on plane tickets, hotel rooms, food and drink because they want to get f*cked. What are they going to do? Will they spend two weeks refusing the prices the ladies are asking? These are factors at work in the market and it is inevitable they will influence the price. Additionally, the guys have been drinking and probably have less experience at negotiations than the ladies. It's easy to understand why they're likely to pay more than a guy who lives in BKK, knows the prices, has a lot of experience negotiating for sex and can easily decide to walk away and look for a lady the following night. Naturally this will create some contention between the two week millionaires who flew in for a few f*cks and the expats residing in the City of Angels.
Good point, but I'd change the formula slightly:
Cost of goods + overhead + profits. It's not uncommon for a product's MSRP to be 10 times what it cost to manufacture. However, when you look at the company's annual report you may see a profit of only 5 percent. This is because overhead costs are huge. Packaging often costs more than the product. Liquor brands spend more money on the fancy bottles super premium vodkas are packaged in than the contents of the bottle. The same is true with cosmetics. Advertising, marketing and promotion costs for some products are also huge expenses. Decades ago in the USA Kmart revolutionized retail by adopting a merchandising plan and point of sales system like grocery store chains use to lower overhead. Target, Walmart and many other discount retailers have copied the strategy. Stuff is expensive because we want shopping to be an "experience" and are willing to pay for the posh stores, fancy packaging and stupid ads.
Similarly, we are paying for the overhead in the sex industry. The space the gogo bar's stage takes up adds to the rent, and then there is the stage, lighting and sound system. Part of the bar fine and the cost of the lady drinks are covering these costs. The MPs have to pay for the room you're shagging in and the water you use when you shower. The people running the escort agencies take half of what you pay to the escort to cover their overhead.
You do get rid of these overhead costs when you negotiate directly with an FL; however, the price point reflects the most the guys are willing to spend and the least the ladies are willing to accept. Sure there are some outliers. Some guys don't know the going rate and overpay. Some ladies are desperate and will occasionally sell themselves at a discount. But by and large it's the market place at work.
The ladies do have several advantages. The guys have spent a bundle on plane tickets, hotel rooms, food and drink because they want to get f*cked. What are they going to do? Will they spend two weeks refusing the prices the ladies are asking? These are factors at work in the market and it is inevitable they will influence the price. Additionally, the guys have been drinking and probably have less experience at negotiations than the ladies. It's easy to understand why they're likely to pay more than a guy who lives in BKK, knows the prices, has a lot of experience negotiating for sex and can easily decide to walk away and look for a lady the following night. Naturally this will create some contention between the two week millionaires who flew in for a few f*cks and the expats residing in the City of Angels.That I could just go bar fine a spinner and f*ck her without hang to go through MSc economics to determine a price for my pleasure.
I have just spent an hour with no 44 at Annies and paid Baht 2, 500 fixed price. And I gave her Baht 500 tip. All in $90+ Do I give a shit about the price (my last who in Florida cost me $360 / hour) my business class fare here cost me $3200 and I ain't going to get pissed off about paying for a fun hour.
Last night, in a bar I watched a slightly (maybe. More drunk) guy surrounded by three / four women all piling lady's drinks on his tab. As I left I did suggest he watched his bar tab."Hell, no," he said,"I am having fun." I doubt he got away with a bar tab of under Baht 4, 000.
PS Gullivers empty, Beer Garden 50:50 who's punters.
You wrote about SWs whereas Monopoly asked about disco chicks. On the flip side of what you are saying, I know many hookers who say they are grossed out by older men, the same as you may be by women much older than you.Don't you know by now not to feed the pedants.
Mr Enternational
11-26-13, 16:16
I wasn't aware FLs are not SWs? As for the women at Climax, a large percentage go there when the gogos they work in close. They're gogo bar dancers moonlighting as FLs trying to pick up one more client. I'd be willing to bet a fair number of those ladies approaching Monopoly were gogo bar girls.PK, I think you are confusing the abbreviations. SW means street walker; for example, the girls in the Nana parking lot or up and down Sukhumvit. Besides that, I would suspect that a FL does not step into Climax hoping to find a 70 year old gentleman. Keep dreaming. I hope that when I am 70 that my dreams will be as big.
Paul Kausch
11-26-13, 16:29
PK, I think you are confusing the abbreviations. SW means street walker; for example, the girls in the Nana parking lot or up and down Sukhumvit. Besides that, I would suspect that a FL does not step into Climax hoping to find a 70 year old gentleman. Keep dreaming. I hope that when I am 70 that my dreams will be as big.It is always good to agree on definitions first. Here is how I was using the acronyms.
SW = sex worker, anyone who offers sex for money.
FL = free lancers, any SW who works independent of an establishment or agency.
PK, I think you are confusing the abbreviations. SW means street walker; for example, the girls in the Nana parking lot or up and down Sukhumvit. Besides that, I would suspect that a FL does not step into Climax hoping to find a 70 year old gentleman. Keep dreaming. I hope that when I am 70 that my dreams will be as big.How do you figure freelancers anywhere do not go for 70 something guys?
I have personally seen good looking freelancers go with really old looking guys. Do not know how old they really are. Girls do not ask how old you are. Even if they ask you can lower your number by 15 years anyway, it is not like you need to show them your I. D.
Any age + Money = girl in bed.
Young age + little money = girl in bed.
Regular girls + no money + young age = Maybe free sex.
Let me guess:
SW= Street walkers; The working girls walking on the street, so far as we see sex service providers in upper sukhumvit.
FL= Free lancers; Don't have any bondage with clubs or bars or any establishments. Provides sex services too, but they are on their own. Found in discos or clubs etc places.
SWs might be counted as FLs, but never been seen in any discos or clubs. But FLs are on street? Nahhh, never ever. Some times FLs are seen in the web world too, if they are fallen from their best days. But never on the street.
Regular girls + no money + young age = Maybe free sex.But please add some side costs.
It is always good to agree on definitions first. Here is how I was using the acronyms.
SW = sex worker, anyone who offers sex for money.
FL = free lancers, any SW who works independent of an establishment or agency.Usually SW goes for Street Worker, as your definition goes under the acronymous of WG, working girl.
A WG can be anywhere.
A SW won't be in a bar or in an establishment.
A FL can be anywhere, in a pinch even in a bar if that is open to accept those girls being there (with no money paid by the bar, but the bar earning for their LD) , so a FL can be a WG acting as SW, LOL
Mr Enternational
11-26-13, 17:01
How do you figure freelancers anywhere do not go for 70 something guys?Again, the original poster, Monopoly, asked about FL in the discos, not in BG, not Thermae, not Sukhumvit. How many 70 something guys have you run into in the discos? Me, 0.
Member #4698
11-26-13, 17:02
From ISG Abreviations Page:
SW = Street Walker.
SW = Sex Worker.
SYT = Sweet Young Thing.
So the term can have two meanings. I have always assumed SW stood for Street Walker, a certain type of Sex Worker as well as a certain type of Free Lancer. I think this is the more accurate definition of the abbreviation I. E. A girl that works the street as opposed to a girl working a disco or bar where I think the FL term better applies. They are all Sex Workers or better yet, Working Girls, God bless their little hearts.
From ISG Abreviations Page:
SW = Street Walker.
SW = Sex Worker.
SYT = Sweet Young Thing.
So the term can have two meanings. I have always assumed SW stood for Street Walker, a certain type of Sex Worker as well as a certain type of Free Lancer. I think this is the more accurate definition of the abbreviation I. E. A girl that works the street as opposed to a girl working a disco or bar where I think the FL term better applies. They are all Sex Workers or better yet, Working Girls, God bless their little hearts.I don't want to be semantyc, butif You scrolled a bit more on the abbreviation guide, you'd find.
WG Working girl. A prostitute.
i want to change the topic. lol.
had a look in crazy house tonight. its still a very busy bar. they have the set of girls who dance nude and the set that cover the tits and wear a frilly skirt but no knickers. the reason is two fold. firstly not all girls have beautiful tits, maybe some have stretch marks to cover, and some guys like to look up skirts more than see a girl fully nude.
at 9pm, i thought that all the girls were fairly acceptable looking, well above average faces, with no shockers at all. however the best lookers were already bar fined by this time, so no stunners left. some quite slim girls but not many. most sporting a bit of baby fat even if normally classified as slim. not much silicone thankfully. not one super stunning ass on display. so if noi from doll house were transplanted into crazy house, i would still look at her, as having easily the most sexy slim body. some girls would possibly have a slightly prettier face than noi though.
the girl with prettiest face i ever saw at ch does not work there any more. anyway she was **** and had a bf (appeared to have). she hated going with old customers, so was an exception to the rule about bar girls liking old guys. there always are a few exceptions. i wonder if girls that are looking for a very quick st, whether they prefer young guys or old guys?
generally the standard at ch is pretty good, which is what draws the customers, but get there early. most of the waitresses are gatoeys, which is a bit unusual. maybe they can be bar-fined too. lol. fortunately we did not have to see them nude.
i did not bf a girl as was very satisfied after my sex workout at cherry massage with bo. so was just window shopping. lol bought my girl a few drinks and gave her a good tip though, just to help support her that little bit as she is a relative newbie and young mother deserted by her thai man and has serious debts to cover. does not want to work in a bar, but needs the extra money. a sweet shy thing compared to most.
Hey everyone,
Its been ages since I've posted at these forums. Last time I posted here it seems that a good amount of people enjoyed them. I hope to do the same with my BK report though targeting a different subculture of girls. Athletic girls. The kind of girls that have either played sports, are into exercising, or born with God given great genetics.
Last time I was here it was pretty tough to find the busty big butt girl with the thin waist (or even abs) but I did manage to find some. One was a street walker (she didn't have a super thin waist, though she had an ass. The other times was just browsing through some pics of girls through sites like Caesars and the rest of the gang. I did manage to find a few that way too. One was swimmer and the other used to run. The best was at a bar I think it was at Nana. She was one of the many dancers there, a spinner like the rest, except she had an ass.
She got that way through Yoga.
From what I've heard, the girls in Isaan tend to be more athletic percentage wise than say BK girls, who are more of the skinny legged, lighter skin types.
My question is where I can find these athletic girls? Or fit girls? I was thinking a GoGo bar that had a variety of real pole dancers which is probably a good workout for these girls.
Since I am planning to live here, maybe get a college gymnast Thai girl (though don't where to find that either!) for long term. Maybe go check out Isaan?
Thanks for any help gentlemen.
The ladies do have several advantages. The guys have spent a bundle on plane tickets, hotel rooms, food and drink because they want to get f*cked. What are they going to do? Will they spend two weeks refusing the prices the ladies are asking? These are factors at work in the market and it is inevitable they will influence the price. Additionally, the guys have been drinking and probably have less experience at negotiations than the ladies. It's easy to understand why they're likely to pay more than a guy who lives in BKK, knows the prices, has a lot of experience negotiating for sex and can easily decide to walk away and look for a lady the following night. Naturally this will create some contention between the two week millionaires who flew in for a few f*cks and the expats residing in the City of Angels.Correct. The girls know what they are up against during what time of year and act accordingly.
Also, don't assume that every expat negotiates price. There are plenty of expats who pay top dollar all the time. There are lots of reasons for this.
My question is where I can find these athletic girls? Or fit girls? I was thinking a GoGo bar that had a variety of real pole dancers which is probably a good workout for these girls.
Since I am planning to live here, maybe get a college gymnast Thai girl (though don't where to find that either!) for long term. Maybe go check out Isaan?
Thanks for any help gentlemen."fit girls"?
Its not clear if you seek a girl with stamina, or big powerful legs, or tiny with skinny legs with wire like muscles, or extremely toned body with no fat.
I have not seen any extended "pole dances", mostly go-go girls holding a pole suggestively. I have met girls that worked out in the Gym regularly and had very strong legs, so I suggest you look in the fitness centres.
Long Gun and Suzi Wong used to have some fairly athletic dance routines that utilised the poles just a little, pole dance style. The best dancers left Long Gun some time back.
Member #4387
11-27-13, 04:57
I have a fairly known face into the FL discos in lower Suk and others. I have from very relaible sources that no streetwalkergirls are allowed entering clubs in this area. Reason; troublemakers, hiv positive and drugs or combinations.
I see many old punters comfort themself with sayings like girls like us as we do fasttrack (maby slow, hehe) service. I been browsing a couple of days ago spinners in Climax. My observations;
I have just turned 40 (maby look like 35ish) and I stand alone. I don't give any hints verbaly, smiley or behaviourly I want girls. I am a chemistrymaker and spend a lot of baths creating my safe haven at a table at the back. I see girls (in Climax) often with elderly guys looking at me and eyeballing. I have a nice fleet of drinks, vodkas and stuffs resting at my table and on manu occations I see girls leave oldies and hit me to have fun. I am a chemistry guy and a creater of good mood. I ask sometimes the girls why they stand next to the oldie and many times I hear they say they preferelably like to milk the oldie for some good money. What hits me is sth how cheap people are. Many travel half away around the globe to save and save and stand alone at a table hitting their half empty Carlsberg and did not know what hit them. Looking at my table with vodkas (bottles) girls for sure atleast think they will have more fun time at my table.
A sexworker is a sexworker and she flows with the possibility of good compensations. But oldies recieving better ladies than I do, hm, well I don't know. I have to say, when speaking of I. E Climax; this is my nr one spot for picking up FLs. I don't take girls away from their "dates" but they seem to leave their date and arrive at my table (I am sorry about this). I groom well and look fresh and young with decent fashion clothes. I am sure there will be girls for everyone but speaking of the best looking girls they also want some attraction believe it or not (my exp approx 8 years now)
I am a rather hardcore motherfucker and the girls know it won't be easy. I create good laughs, chemistry and enjoy when a girl realy takes her initiative and ask if we should go for bang bang. I never discuss money upfront but almost never did I hear questipns about it anyway. Ofcourse I do compensate girls. One girl a couple of days ago I did infact forget to pay any money as instill where drunk and she had to go off to work (late afternoon after multiple pops, cim and a+ service. I did infact look her up and reimburshed her later servicing reception at one of BKKs finest establishments (hotelwice). I know managment very well some places and in this case she was rather new to the scene and would never go older than 40. I guess exceptions where to be had. But she did recognice me from from staying at her workplace (very upscale hotel and nothing like the cheapies Landmark, T21, S 31 etc etc.
But to be frank there will be someone for everyone but no chance in hell they choose a old guy if they can have a rather young smashing one. My exp anyway.
Paul Kausch
11-27-13, 07:05
Well you young whipper-snappers can go on denying reality, but here it is straight from three ladies who work for Pure Bangkok Escorts. (Taken from a recent interview in Stickman's Weekly column.)
Candy: "I like older men. They are more relaxed and they speak politely."
Jessica: "I don't like young men. I prefer men aged 35 up." "Young women get men excited. Older men see us as young women and they get excited. And when older men are done they want to sleep right away."
And the barely legal Fiona adds: "It's work, it's not love so I don't even think about their age. They're paying so any age is ok."
Of course I'm sure these ladies would be more than happy to have some of you youngsters try to convince them they should reconsider their attitudes towards young men.
But there you have it. Ladies of the night prefer polite, sleepy old men. Eat your hearts out!
Paul Kausch
11-27-13, 07:59
Writing guidelines instruct us to spell out a phrase the first time it is used and only use the acronym afterwards. The confusion I created illustrates why.
I was deliberate in choosing to use SW for sex worker in one of my earlier posts. Many of the ladies I've known over the years have made it very clear to me that they did not like people to use terms like prostitute, call girl, stripper and especially street walker. They were adamant that they were sex workers, a term first used by Carol Leigh in her book Sex Work: Writings By Women In The Sex Industry. The strippers said they were dancers, sex workers who danced in clubs. Women who were once known as call girls wanted to be called escorts. Today health organizations, NGOs and governments widely use the term sex worker. Resistance to the newer terminology comes from social conservatives, anti-prostitution feminists, and other prohibitionists. So when we call a lady a prostitute, street walker or wh*re, we are reinforcing the stigmas these people try to impose on these women.
So in a tender moment I decided to use the term my former lady friends preferred. In some of my posts I'm certainly guilty of using some pretty foul language when discussing sex workers, but not when I'm interacting with them. While I may yell out some rather graphic phrases as my lust builds and the action gets hot and heavy, before and after the sex I act like a gentleman and treat my partner like a lady.
I see nothing wrong with getting as raunchy and nasty as you want and the lady permits, that's what you're paying for, but before the action begins and after it ends the lady deserves to be treated with respect.
Besides, attitude is important and the right attitude brings out other people's best.
Now I'll climb off my soap box.
"fit girls"?
Its not clear if you seek a girl with stamina, or big powerful legs, or tiny with skinny legs with wire like muscles, or extremely toned body with no fat.
I have not seen any extended "pole dances", mostly go-go girls holding a pole suggestively. I have met girls that worked out in the Gym regularly and had very strong legs, so I suggest you look in the fitness centres.
Long Gun and Suzi Wong used to have some fairly athletic dance routines that utilised the poles just a little, pole dance style. The best dancers left Long Gun some time back.Sadly many Thai gals are "skinny fat." Thin but with very little muscle tone. Reason- Women who are toned get mistaken for ladyboys."Fit" has never really caught on here. That is too bad, as fit gals look great.
Love Sex 22
11-27-13, 08:27
I have a fairly known face into the FL discos in lower Suk and others. I have from very relaible sources that no streetwalkergirls are allowed entering clubs in this area. Reason; troublemakers, hiv positive and drugs or combinations.
I see many old punters comfort themself with sayings like girls like us as we do fasttrack (maby slow, hehe) service. I been browsing a couple of days ago spinners in Climax. My observations;
I have just turned 40 (maby look like 35ish) and I stand alone. I don't give any hints verbaly, smiley or behaviourly I want girls. I am a chemistrymaker and spend a lot of baths creating my safe haven at a table at the back. I see girls (in Climax) often with elderly guys looking at me and eyeballing. I have a nice fleet of drinks, vodkas and stuffs resting at my table and on manu occations I see girls leave oldies and hit me to have fun. I am a chemistry guy and a creater of good mood. I ask sometimes the girls why they stand next to the oldie and many times I hear they say they preferelably like to milk the oldie for some good money. What hits me is sth how cheap people are. Many travel half away around the globe to save and save and stand alone at a table hitting their half empty Carlsberg and did not know what hit them. Looking at my table with vodkas (bottles) girls for sure atleast think they will have more fun time at my table.
A sexworker is a sexworker and she flows with the possibility of good compensations. But oldies recieving better ladies than I do, hm, well I don't know. I have to say, when speaking of I. E Climax; this is my nr one spot for picking up FLs. I don't take girls away from their "dates" but they seem to leave their date and arrive at my table (I am sorry about this). I groom well and look fresh and young with decent fashion clothes. I am sure there will be girls for everyone but speaking of the best looking girls they also want some attraction believe it or not (my exp approx 8 years now)
I am a rather hardcore motherfucker and the girls know it won't be easy. I create good laughs, chemistry and enjoy when a girl realy takes her initiative and ask if we should go for bang bang. I never discuss money upfront but almost never did I hear questipns about it anyway. Ofcourse I do compensate girls. One girl a couple of days ago I did infact forget to pay any money as instill where drunk and she had to go off to work (late afternoon after multiple pops, cim and a+ service. I did infact look her up and reimburshed her later servicing reception at one of BKKs finest establishments (hotelwice). I know managment very well some places and in this case she was rather new to the scene and would never go older than 40. I guess exceptions where to be had. But she did recognice me from from staying at her workplace (very upscale hotel and nothing like the cheapies Landmark, T21, S 31 etc etc.
But to be frank there will be someone for everyone but no chance in hell they choose a old guy if they can have a rather young smashing one. My exp anyway.I am older guy mongering and spending good part of my last 15 years in Bangkok. I agrry with your aproch of having at least one bottle of whiskey in any club that I go, thats defenetly works in my favor 90% of the time getting girls coming to my table and opening conversations with me.
But disagree about freelancers in Climax. Most of the girls from beer garden gulliver and nana parking will end up in Climax or other sukhumvit disco.
Also I hate climax because its so dark that you can't see the faces of the girls with all that heavy make up untill you leave the bar and you see there faces in real light. Many times when the lights open up at the closing I dump the girl seeing her real face.
Sorry just my opinion,
Lover Boy #2
11-27-13, 08:35
I have a fairly known face into the FL discos in lower Suk and others. I have from very relaible sources that no streetwalkergirls are allowed entering clubs in this area. Reason; troublemakers, hiv positive and drugs or combinations.
I see many old punters comfort themself with sayings like girls like us as we do fasttrack (maby slow, hehe) service. I been browsing a couple of days ago spinners in Climax. My observations;
I have just turned 40 (maby look like 35ish) and I stand alone. I don't give any hints verbaly, smiley or behaviourly I want girls. I am a chemistrymaker and spend a lot of baths creating my safe haven at a table at the back. I see girls (in Climax) often with elderly guys looking at me and eyeballing. I have a nice fleet of drinks, vodkas and stuffs resting at my table and on manu occations I see girls leave oldies and hit me to have fun. I am a chemistry guy and a creater of good mood. I ask sometimes the girls why they stand next to the oldie and many times I hear they say they preferelably like to milk the oldie for some good money. What hits me is sth how cheap people are. Many travel half away around the globe to save and save and stand alone at a table hitting their half empty Carlsberg and did not know what hit them. Looking at my table with vodkas (bottles) girls for sure atleast think they will have more fun time at my table.Please hold my hand while I vomit.
I look at your table "with vodkas" and say to myself;
"ha ha. This guy thinks he is in a club in the real world. Not in BKK. Pathetic that he thinks he has to impress anyone"
JMHO dude.
Lover Boy #2
11-27-13, 08:42
I am older guy mongering and spending good part of my last 15 years in Bangkok. I agrry with your aproch of having at least one bottle of whiskey in any club that I go, thats defenetly works in my favor 90% of the time getting girls coming to my table and opening conversations with me.
But disagree about freelancers in Climax. Most of the girls from beer garden gulliver and nana parking will end up in Climax or other sukhumvit disco.
Also I hate climax because its so dark that you can't see the faces of the girls with all that heavy make up untill you leave the bar and you see there faces in real light. Many times when the lights open up at the closing I dump the girl seeing her real face.
Sorry just my opinion, You are on target with your commentary about who freelances in Climax. Add the bar girls from Soi Cowboy, Patpong and Nana who can possibly bring a "customa" who might spring for some drinks or a bottle. Some guys have to believe they have discovered an oasis to be happy. Climax is just a freelancer gathering place for hungry girls and ladyboys. No special show is necessary for them. If you look fairly normal, you can have what you want and you don't have to have beautiful "vodkas" available. Anyone who doubts this, I will meet you there and prove my point. Just bring your vodka money.
Lover Boy #2
11-27-13, 08:50
Demonstrations are spreading to outlying areas. They have vowed to take over every government building and topple Yingluck. The government has issued arrest warrant for Suthep Thaugsuban, but has left enforcement to Police. Police are doing little visibly (kind of like when you get pick pocketed) , but continue active program of fining motorsai drivers with no helmet. Suthep is leading marches and doesn't seem concerend over the warrant, as long as he has his security team around him. THB is up slightly today, but you can get around 31. 85 on the street. Come to BKK. You can go to discos where you can fantasize that you have picked up the girl next door.
Asian Lover Oz
11-27-13, 11:10
was in thailand a few days ago and decided to try a variety of adventures.
most of the farangs here seem to go the common farang friendly places, but i wanted to try something else.
was reading on the thai forums (thanks google for sort of translating them) about various place and located one called [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) spa (about 15-20 mins walk from sala daeng bts station)
it's in a house in a suburban st, but there is a sign when you walk down soi 1 sala daeng.
the papa was very friendly and had no problems with me being there.
went around lunch time and only 2 girls avail (the one i was hoping to see wasn't on).
first girl wasn't my type, but the 2nd definitely was!
slim and almost perfect teen body (said she was turning 20)
now the prices are on the high side.
b2000 for 1hr massage and hj only.
in the room the extras are b1000 for cbj and and b2000 for full service.
since i was already rearing to go, took the full option.
very inexperienced and she was clearly not expecting a farang. maybe her first. not sure.
overall she tried to be accommodating, but kept holding her belly saying it hurt.
i tried to go relatively gentle and worked through a number of positions but they were all too much for her.
overall glad i tried. model quality. said she was from born in bangkok with mixed chinese heritage, and clearly a different class to the girls in the bars.
something different if you are a bit jaded from the bar and disco scenes.
Mr Enternational
11-27-13, 11:31
I look at your table "with vodkas" and say to myself; "ha ha. This guy thinks he is in a club in the real world. Not in BKK. Pathetic that he thinks he has to impress anyone".Well it's no different than the lady drink thing. I pretty much agree with you though. My method is to wake up in the middle of the night, head to the disco, find someone I like, go up to them and say "Let's go." Sometimes she may say,"How much you give me?" Then I may have to negotiate. If not she will find herself with 1000-1500 baht the next morning. No names or bullshit formalities needed. I've never felt the need to wine and dine a hooker. Now if I feel like wining and dining myself and can't find a non-pro to tag along then that is different.
Please hold my hand while I vomit.
I look at your table "with vodkas" and say to myself;
"ha ha. This guy thinks he is in a club in the real world. Not in BKK. Pathetic that he thinks he has to impress anyone"
JMHO dude.Not sure what is your vomit problem. Is he really trying to "impress" girls, or really just giving a single that he is not too cheap. He certainly is not trying to impress you. I give the bargirls signals that I am not too cheap also, one way or another, and therefore rarely have to discuss the price of a fuck. Then I can pay whatever was fair in my view.
Each guy just finds a method of operation that works for him and provides the satisfactory amount of illusion to get his enjoyment.
I really didn't like the music at Insanity and was bored by it, and I don't have time for discos. Climax was better for me in the past (more suited to my age group). I get girls for sex more directly and more quickly, which is usually MPs or bars. Still like looking at naked girls from time to time (not every day) , when they have great bodies that is.
"fit girls"?
Its not clear if you seek a girl with stamina, or big powerful legs, or tiny with skinny legs with wire like muscles, or extremely toned body with no fat.
I have not seen any extended "pole dances", mostly go-go girls holding a pole suggestively. I have met girls that worked out in the Gym regularly and had very strong legs, so I suggest you look in the fitness centres.
Long Gun and Suzi Wong used to have some fairly athletic dance routines that utilised the poles just a little, pole dance style. The best dancers left Long Gun some time back.Actually all of the above would be my answer. Well. Aside from the stamina issue. But yeah, pretty much any girl that has a tiny bit of muscle tone, usually around the lower body. I took dance lessons one time and the girls there had amazing bodies. Didn't do anything at all since I was in BKK for just a short time and took the dance lessons for my own amusement to try something new that was cheap.
One time I went to gym in the Lad Prao area and was hanging out with a girl that worked as a trainer. She invited me to eat, paid and all, but she was hard to score with since she either wanted to be friends (or to learn free English, maybe status, or just liked my company) or she wanted something more serious and didn't want to put out. Again, was there for short time so nothing could really develop. Didn't have the patience either when I could get my thrills in an MP, at Soi Cowboy and what not.
Sadly many Thai gals are "skinny fat." Thin but with very little muscle tone. Reason- Women who are toned get mistaken for ladyboys."Fit" has never really caught on here. That is too bad, as fit gals look great.This is kinda what I notice, though nothing like Phillipines from what I've heard. In Phills, I've heard most of the working girls in gogo bars are chubby to fat with little to no muscle in general, but that it wasn't too hard to find the really decked out extremely fit girl too since there were a good amount of professional pole dancers and many girls there did some kind of semi professional dancing growing up or gymnastics.
In Thailand, believe or not, I did find some athletic girls but it was a bit of a pain in the ass. One time I got lucky. I got a girl who was very fit with a good amount of muscle (no, not a ladyboy! LOL) almost like a cross between fitness and lightweight bodybuilder. Other times I would go to the gogo bars and try to find a bar / stage that showed the ass of the girls (many gogo bars have the girls wearing skirts most of the time) and go from there.
Maybe after going through 3 or 4 bars say in Nana Plaze, there might be a few that have a semi athletic butt (spinner body but actually had a TINY bit of muscle on their ass) and there would be a girl that would have an ASS to die for. Though nothing that would be consider like a fitness girl or college gymnast, but not far off either.
When I went to border of Isaan one time, I did notice that girls looked more fit and athletic than say in the South of Thailand or in BKK in general. It could still be a mothers tale but even Thai people say that Isaan guys / girls have a stronger build / more muscle from the farming culture.
But yeah, I do agree with you that it is pretty much skinny-fat with these girls. Kinda on the thin side, soft, and a flat ass.
I know this is not Brazil (looks like Rio may be too pricey to monger) but will go hunting soon in BKK and perhaps try to get pics. Lets see.
One country that has a TON of fit girls is South Korea! WOW. Really toned legs with some muscle. Thick but hard yet feminine at the same time. It was a head turner. For mongering Iv heard Korea sucks though for getting non-pros I've heard its not hard once you live there.
Lover Boy #2
11-27-13, 18:24
Not sure what is your vomit problem. Is he really trying to "impress" girls, or really just giving a single that he is not too cheap. He certainly is not trying to impress you. I give the bargirls signals that I am not too cheap also, one way or another, and therefore rarely have to discuss the price of a fuck. Then I can pay whatever was fair in my view.
Each guy just finds a method of operation that works for him and provides the satisfactory amount of illusion to get his enjoyment.
I really didn't like the music at Insanity and was bored by it, and I don't have time for discos. Climax was better for me in the past (more suited to my age group). I get girls for sex more directly and more quickly, which is usually MPs or bars. Still like looking at naked girls from time to time (not every day) , when they have great bodies that is.Vomit problem is that I get sick watching guys who think these girls are not prostitutes. Give them the money and they will fuck you. It is simple as that. It doesn't take a game plan, strategy or movement of chess pieces. The girls care about your money. If you have it and spend it. You get laid.
I realize very few guys are trying to impress me. Unless they are gay and like big dick. But impressing me would be a waste, because this hansome man only does ladies. Ha ha!
I don't need any illusion. I have spent a lifetime having fun with this and I am rarely disappointed. Because I know the game and play the way that gets me the highest quality for a fair price. I am well known in most places having been here for years. And rarely need a bottle or to tell anyone I am not cheap. When I enter climax the girls line up. Because they know I have cockroaches in my room and they are aroi. Mak mak!
If any of you have been attenders of Suzie Wong for very long time, you might know one of the girls that first started at SW (Suzi Wong) quite a few years ago, called Bo. Tall almost no tits but a good waist to thigh ratio. Always did the lesbian show and had braces for quite some time. Was still at SW this year, after some long disappearances.
The news is that she is now working a rubber plantation in Nong Khai with her girlfriend who is a "Tom". That's right! Those who never believed that any girls did lesbian for real, better think again. I used to take Bo with another girl to do Menage a Trois at my Hotel (usually just ST). Bo would whisper to me which girl she had the hots for, and she had good taste usually (perhaps not always) , but Dtom was a common pairing as she was also into pussy licking and reckoned she was best at it."Nu" was another girl, with spiky hair (not my style as looked more like a Tom) , that was also a real lesbian, and perhaps a some others may have been Bi.
Anyway, I guess its not likely that Bo will be back soon unless gets very desperate for money.
There were a large contingent of girls at SW today and customer attendance was quite good, a bit short of real stunners, as some got BFed before I arrived at 9:20PM. Took the usual contenders, Noi and Knot. Yao had to miss out as I was feeling a bit below par and 3 would have been too much LOL. These 2 girls are not real lesbians and don't even do the lesbian show so they did not do each other, however having two working on you at the same time can be exquisite.
So my advice is same as for Crazy House and DollHouse. Get there early if you want the best lookers. Most girls at SW are a slimish but with puppy fat. Not too many sillies these days. The girls bring too much food to work and don't go for fitness like G. Scrot said. So not very toned. Noo Dee was a toned and very pretty girl, but not sure if she still works there or maybe retired already. I should ring her to check. However she doesn't perform as well for me as some other girls, so no rush.
Vomit problem is that I get sick watching guys who think these girls are not prostitutes. Give them the money and they will fuck you. It is simple as that. It doesn't take a game plan, strategy or movement of chess pieces. The girls care about your money. If you have it and spend it. You get laid.I don't give a damn about labels myself. Some girls are full time WGs and some are part time, when they need a bit of extra money. Some girls would never consider taking money for sex, but that seems to a religious conditioning to me. Many will change their minds if enough money is offered (obviously). Some girls are into taking money for sex, as they need it, but also will not go with just any guy. They have been seen to knock back many until there is one that appeals. Maybe this is rarer than I think but I have seen it, even in the Nana car park.
So I believe a small percentage of girls want it both ways. To have good sex, or at least spend their time with the guy quite tolerable, and to make money as well. There are girls with normal day jobs that are making some sex money on the side. It matters little whether someone chooses to label them as a Prostitute or not. I can be very relaxed about that. Its more important if they are a very nice girl into having some fun, or a dead fish fuck, or a really bad trickster type girl. Are they a good honest worker or not? (when they regard it as work).
There are girls that are too shy to discuss money and state "its up to you". Wish that was available on tap in my country. I have no delusions. I am not trying to pick up young girls for free sex. Many WGs are mouthing off how they hate all the young handsome men who seem to think they should get it for free. LOL.
Even WGs are known very occasionally (or outside the work place) to offer a guy a freebie if they are really into him big time. I have been offered freebies on very rare occasions from WGs or ex-WGs. They can be human too, not just paid robots. There is one ex-WG who wants to be my GF right now (and she does have money and property) , but unfortunately I would rather pay for it elsewhere. She is about 10 years younger than me, which maybe not quite enough for me.
Allow for endless variation in the circumstances of WGs. If you think they are no good, can stay away.
When a girl is very popular, you do need to have some strategy to optimise your chances that she will pick you amongst her options . Not all of us are happy with just any girl.
Member #4698
11-27-13, 19:38
I get sick watching guys who think these girls are not prostitutes. Give them the money and they will fuck you. It is simple as that. It doesn't take a game plan, strategy or movement of chess pieces. The girls care about your money. If you have it and spend it. You get laid.It is not a question of getting laid. Sure, you can "give them the money [and nothing else] and they will fuck you." And I am sure a certain percentage of those kind of lays will be fine, this is South East Asia after all and not South Beach, but I want more. For me it is about the quality of the lay and maximizing my percentage of those quality lays that matter. So I tend to treat my girls pretty good. I think I get paid back many times over, but to each his own. Whatever rocks your boat.
B2000 for 1hr massage and HJ only.
In the room the extras are B1000 for CBJ and and B2000 for full service.
Since I was already rearing to go, took the full option.Just to understand, this means FS cost B4000 for one hour?
Member #4387
11-28-13, 02:33
Vomit problem is that I get sick watching guys who think these girls are not prostitutes. Give them the money and they will fuck you. It is simple as that. It doesn't take a game plan, strategy or movement of chess pieces. The girls care about your money. If you have it and spend it. You get laid.
I realize very few guys are trying to impress me. Unless they are gay and like big dick. But impressing me would be a waste, because this hansome man only does ladies. Ha ha!
I don't need any illusion. I have spent a lifetime having fun with this and I am rarely disappointed. Because I know the game and play the way that gets me the highest quality for a fair price. I am well known in most places having been here for years. And rarely need a bottle or to tell anyone I am not cheap. When I enter climax the girls line up. Because they know I have cockroaches in my room and they are aroi. Mak mak!Hello Loversomething. Why you get offended of my writings? Atleast I hope you finish vomiting? I just state what is my exp during 8 years or so in specific Climax. I do most of my hunting outside known pussy areas like Climax ok? I cater more hi so places and do quite some pickups from modern, fresh BKK citygirls wanna just fuck and thats it antad younger but also tad older than me. Cheap Whiskey don't do it for top notche ladies. I am a regular pickup artist in famous venues in BKK known to regular girls beautiful like there is no tomorrow. I only cater girls above 165cm so all the small ones are yours(exceptions are to be had, hehe)..
But like you i can also do lowscale mongering. Sometimes I need to get feet on ground and not only act like keyboardwarrior. Reason simply bcs I need new stars for my photogallery. In Photogallery I would never put out pica from my real stunners (regular fleet babes). I am a rich guy also staying sometimes at Kempinski for approx 20000k a night if money is your issue(just go with the flow)..
But my girls never know, they pic me (mostly) , I pick them (who cares). I dress in Paul Smiths clothes, Prada googlies, an15000bht Diesel jean, Versace shoes(but have many outfits). I do see my pickups trust and care they will have good time. I compensate bigtime but accordingly to known limits + 1000 or so. Everything is deadcheap in LOS. Except from one or two ugly buglies from BG during the years (8 in BKK, MNL, CGK, HKG, PEK, PVG, New york (JFK / EWR) , KUL, HKG etc etc)DP purpouses and daytimefucks only i am happy without vomiting. To me everything is chemistry and i dont negotiate. Girls come and go rather regular but it is far easier beeing "young" and handsooome... Even if girls are freebies i take pride into compensate them as i will never fall from tactics "i looove you big time" or girls wanting relationship. LT sessions only and i do pay them to leave as some dont want to..
So I believe a small percentage of girls want it both ways. To have good sex, or at least spend their time with the guy quite tolerable, and to make money as well. There are girls with normal day jobs that are making some sex money on the side. It matters little whether someone chooses to label them as a Prostitute or not. I can be very relaxed about that. Its more important if they are a very nice girl into having some fun, or a dead fish fuck, or a really bad trickster type girl. Are they a good honest worker or not? (when they regard it as work).The number of sem-pros as you refer to has declined over the past few years as the economy has improved and salaries have increased. 10 years ago one could go out to the discos and freelance hangouts the last week of the month and they would be filled with gals looking for a few baht to make ends meet that month.
Now, there are fewer. Well there are always the turds in the higher end discos looking for money to buy a new Chanel bag, but frankly, gals that think like that just do not interest me.
an15000bht Diesel jean, Versace shoes(but have many outfits).Dude, if you are going to spend tall coin on some jeans, go out and buy some good Japanese raw selvedge denim. Don't be seen in pre-washed jeans. Create your own fades. I ditched Diesel years ago. Yeah, new raw is a pain to break in, but after you will have the best fitting and best looking jeans you have ever had.
And if you want to buy local, there are several fantastic small brands here in Thailand (that use Japanese selvedge) and lots of shops selling Japanese brands. Try 'them out, you will love them, and no one will ever call you a douchebag. Peace.
Lover Boy #2
11-28-13, 03:50
Hello Loversomething. Why you get offended of my writings? Atleast I hope you finish vomiting? I just state what is my exp during 8 years or so in specific Climax. I do most of my hunting outside known pussy areas like Climax ok? I cater more hi so places and do quite some pickups from modern, fresh BKK citygirls want to just fuck and thats it antad younger but also tad older than me. Cheap Whiskey don't do it for top notche ladies. I am a regular pickup artist in famous venues in BKK known to regular girls beautiful like there is no tomorrow. I only cater girls above 165cm so all the small ones are yours (exceptions are to be had, hehe).
But like you I can also do lowscale mongering. Sometimes I need to get feet on ground and not only act like keyboardwarrior. Reason simply bcs I need new stars for my photogallery. In Photogallery I would never put out pica from my real stunners (regular fleet babes). I am a rich guy also staying sometimes at Kempinski for approx 20000k a night if money is your issue (just go with the flow).
But my girls never know, they pic me (mostly) , I pick them (who cares). I dress in Paul Smiths clothes, Prada googlies, an15000bht Diesel jean, Versace shoes (but have many outfits). I do see my pickups trust and care they will have good time. I compensate bigtime but accordingly to known limits + 1000 or so. Everything is deadcheap in LOS. Except from one or two ugly buglies from BG during the years (8 in BKK, MNL, CGK, HKG, PEK, PVG, New york (JFK / EWR) , KUL, HKG etc etc) DP purpouses and daytimefucks only I am happy without vomiting. To me everything is chemistry and I don't negotiate. Girls come and go rather regular but it is far easier beeing "young" and handsooome. Even if girls are freebies I take pride into compensate them as I will never fall from tactics "I looove you big time" or girls wanting relationship. LT sessions only and I do pay them to leave as some don't want to."Lowscale mongering".... who said that? I think you are making assumptions which usually turn out to be wrong. My girls usually come from the area of Siam Paragon / Central, having just dabbled in Prada, Diesel and Versace. Hoping I won't vomit. But alas, also hoping to see and abuse my cockroaches. I am certainly not offended by your writings. I just think you are making this more complicated than it needs to be. Simplicity is the saviour of all mankind. Last night I introduced my special purpose to the cutest 20 year old I have seen in years. Freebie from University in BKK where I am professor of Cockology. If I offered her money she would be highly offended. But she did like the high end steak. She doesn't drink and says she likes me because I don't drink. Lowscale / highscale. Who really knows? I think I saw a "highscale" last week with some fresh Somtam on her teeth sloshing it down with Sang Som.
Lover Boy #2
11-28-13, 03:55
Dude, if you are going to spend tall coin on some jeans, go out and buy some good Japanese raw selvedge denim. Don't be seen in pre-washed jeans. Create your own fades. I ditched Diesel years ago. Yeah, new raw is a pain to break in, but after you will have the best fitting and best looking jeans you have ever had.
And if you want to buy local, there are several fantastic small brands here in Thailand (that use Japanese selvedge) and lots of shops selling Japanese brands. Try 'them out, you will love them, and no one will ever call you a douchebag. Peace.This is really a beautiful post from a person who knows real jeans. My heart soars.
Lover Boy #2
11-28-13, 04:00
http://www.google.co.th/imgres?imgurl=http://memecrunch.com/meme/LK9Q/two-wild-and-crazy-guys/image.png&imgrefurl=http://memecrunch.com/meme/LK9Q/two-wild-and-crazy-guys&h=300&w=400&sz=180&tbnid=cGRzZycJQdBk2M:&tbnh=90&tbnw=120&zoom=1&usg=__Vqqqz52jL5tgybm2FAvWFkcUw9U=&docid=PeUaTy0nZ29s4M&sa=X&ei=YLGWUtHuE8eCiQesrYGgCA&sqi=2&ved=0CDIQ9QEwBA
Paul Kausch
11-28-13, 04:30
http://www.google.co.th/imgres?imgurl=http://memecrunch.com/meme/lk9q/two-wild-and-crazy-guys/image.png&imgrefurl=http://memecrunch.com/meme/lk9q/two-wild-and-crazy-guys&h=300&w=400&sz=180&tbnid=cgrzzycjqdbk2m:&tbnh=90&tbnw=120&zoom=1&usg=__vqqqz52jl5tgybm2favwfkcuw9u=&docid=peuaty0nz29s4m&sa=x&ei=ylgwuthue8eciqesryggca&sqi=2&ved=0cdiq9qewbaoh boy, do i ever. suave, debonair, great fashion sense and a very sophisticated approach to women. i should find some old snl and watch these guys in action so i can be up to speed the moment i step off the plane.
This is really a beautiful post from a person who knows real jeans. My heart soars.Thanks man. Should we tell 'them not to wash those jeans for at least six months? Might blow their minds.
oh boy, do i ever. suave, debonair, great fashion sense and a very sophisticated approach to women. i should find some old snl and watch these guys in action so i can be up to speed the moment i step off the plane.i think they would be some excellent training videos for newbies.
Paul Kausch
11-28-13, 05:06
I think they would be some excellent training videos for newbies.Great minds think alike!
http://www.hulu.com/watch/19591
Watch carefully, take notes and with a little practice you could pull off a reasonable imitation of these guys.
Member #4698
11-28-13, 05:34
Great minds think alike!Happy Gobble Gobble! What is Love (SNL) ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-0R-UVBXLM
Paul Kausch
11-28-13, 05:38
Happy Gobble Gobble! What is Love.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-0R-UVBXLMIt's nice to see some useful posts appearing on the forum for a change.
Guys,
Was hoping to return to Bangkok from Pattaya. I know that if things go "tits up" in Bangkok that would not prevent getting to the airport from Pattaya. But if your in Bangkok at the time, I guess it could get difficult getting to the airport.
The problem is I don't know the geography well enough. Are the protesters currently in any farang monger areas? What are the chances they could stop traffic to airport. Are they even in an area that would allow them to do that?
I guess what I would like to know is how likely is it I would regret returning to Bangkok instead of just staying in Pattaya. (I definitely prefer Bangkok P4P over Pattaya. But don't want to get trapped there.).
JohnnieBravo
11-28-13, 13:39
I have heard that having ones hair cut in Thailand can be a more sensual experience than back home; anyone know where in Bangkok or Pattaya for that matter I can experience a nice hair cut experience?
Guys,
Was hoping to return to Bangkok from Pattaya. I know that if things go "tits up" in Bangkok that would not prevent getting to the airport from Pattaya. But if your in Bangkok at the time, I guess it could get difficult getting to the airport.I am in Sukhumvit Soi 19. Its close to Cowboy and not far from both BTS and MRT. I can get to Massage places easily. I am have seen any sign of demonstrations right here.
Ploenchit rode was cut of by demonstration today, close to Siam central exchange station. Motorcycle simply took a detour to Rama IV. No problem. Still got back to Sukhumvit 19 quickly enough.
There are traffic jams. Taxi may not be the best choice. Use BTS or MRT where possible, or motorcycle for very short trips in back Sois, or when traffic is hell.
I have heard that having ones hair cut in Thailand can be a more sensual experience than back home; anyone know where in Bangkok or Pattaya for that matter I can experience a nice hair cut experience?Do yourself a favour. There is little reason to mix a haircut with sex, other than novelty value, if you want a good haircut and good sex. Get the haircut first and then go to Cherry, Snow White, etc. Just my opinion. What out for ladyboy hairdressers as well.
I am in Sukhumvit Soi 19. Its close to Cowboy and not far from both BTS and MRT. I can get to Massage places easily. I am have seen any sign of demonstrations right here.
Ploenchit rode was cut of by demonstration today, close to Siam central exchange station. Motorcycle simply took a detour to Rama IV. No problem. Still got back to Sukhumvit 19 quickly enough.
There are traffic jams. Taxi may not be the best choice. Use BTS or MRT where possible, or motorcycle for very short trips in back Sois, or when traffic is hell.Lets face it. Until the demonstrators close the airports and close the route into Sukhumvit most tourists will not see any problems unless they try to get to the riverside (expensive) hotels. It will take a lot of action to close Soi Cowboy and Nana and this will be counterproductive to tourism. Already the Baht has weakened a few percentage points. Would the FLs would.
Do yourself a favour. There is little reason to mix a haircut with sex, other than novelty value, if you want a good haircut and good sex. Get the haircut first and then go to Cherry, Snow White, etc. Just my opinion. What out for ladyboy hairdressers as well.I am bad at Soi numbers but there is a place on Soi 11 where you can get a hair cut and a trip up-stairs to FS. My first thing o / a in BKK is a haircut, manicure and massage. Way to go.
Lover Boy #2
11-28-13, 18:02
Great minds think alike!
http://www.hulu.com/watch/19591
Watch carefully, take notes and with a little practice you could pull off a reasonable imitation of these guys.If you are in America, then the watch will be fun. If you are in Thailand. No hulu. The sidewalks are hell here. But no hulu. Wahwahwah!
It's nice to see some useful posts appearing on the forum for a change.Actually its very disappointing right now, how few posts have some useful info on the topic where to find some great ladies for sex. Specific girl reports or failing that at least a sex venue report. Most of the rest its padding with little value really. I guess very few people are here in Thailand and getting sex, or don't have any useful info they want to share. What I have reported is limited somewhat by my infrequent mongering opportunities. Surely someone else is finding some good girls somewhere.
I other night I decided to try a cutie called Phrao at Doll House, despite suspecting she would be suspect in bed (lacking experience) , as she has nice lips and nice tits. In the end wasn't much fun as although she spread her legs very nicely and let me finger her pussy, she didn't like the DATY to get her too worked up, and did not move with it at all during sex. I was not very satisfied, and learnt my lesson.
Returned to the bar and since Noi's expected customer booking was not able to show, I could then take Noi for the usual super GFE session. Better to stick to known super girls, instead of taking a punt on a suspect girl. To me Noi's body is hotter than all girls in Suzi Wong and in Crazy House. Some won't see it that way as the tits are not large, but the ass is unbeatable.
Bar girls can range fabulous to crap, merely depending on making the right choice.
Paul Kausch
11-28-13, 19:07
Actually its very disappointing right now, how few posts have some useful info on the topic where to find some great ladies for sex. Specific girl reports or failing that at least a sex venue report. Most of the rest its padding with little value really. I guess very few people are here in Thailand and getting sex, or don't have any useful info they want to share. What I have reported is limited somewhat by my infrequent mongering opportunities. Surely someone else is finding some good girls somewhere.I've noticed the decline in posts with good info on good ladies. As you suggest we're probably at the end of a slow period. I'm off for BKK next Tuesday. After I return home I'll be posting a number of reports about my trip, so for a change I'll be writing something worth reading, perhaps. ;)
Crocodilexp
11-28-13, 19:27
I think we're all aware there are two prices in Bangkok: one for farangs, one for Thais. This is true for sex; it is also true for entry into the National Palace.This is NOT true for sex, except at a few select soapies. If you go to 300-500 baht hookers at Chinatown or Sanam Luang, they'll go with you for 300-500 baht. If a Thai guy approaches a Sukhumwit skank (not that many would) , she'll ask for 1500-2000 and settle on 800-1200, same as she would for you or me.
Of course, many girls will _try_ charging a sex tourist newbie more than they would a Thai guy or a Thai-speaking sexpat, but in the end most will come down to the going rate. If you're clueless and horny, they'll charge you anything they can get away with, whether you're Farang or Thai. If you're unaware of the going rate or unwilling to negotiate, you'll get charged more. I occasionally monger at Thai-oriented venues, and once talked to a young Thai guy in the elevator of a ST hotel and was surprised he paid 200 baht _more_ than me.
The price depends first and foremost on the venue, then on the girls' popularity within a narrow range.
Paul Kausch
11-28-13, 20:20
This is NOT true for sex, except at a few select soapies.I was commenting on venues tourists are likely to visit and the Thai-centric soapies along Ratchada, of which Colonzi 2 is the only one I know of that doesn't have a farang surcharge. You are certainly right about the Sukhumvit oilies. Thai men wouldn't visit one so they can't be used as examples to support my premise. I also think a factor affecting prices is that farang are often more sexually demanding. (Read Natty Bumpo's advisory regarding the Thai bars he recently visited.) However, it is interesting that some sex workers who cater to farangs say they will not accept Thai men as customers. Not quite sure what to make of that. I know a guy who reads Thai. He visited a venue with a lower posted price written in Thai, read the Thai language poster to the admissions person and was allowed in for the lower price. You're also correct to point out that many visitors are not skilled negotiators and pay unnecessarily high prices.
Bottom line, I think you're mostly right and I'm mostly wrong.
Ok I have been to SC a couple of times and soon its time for next trip!
I always visit 3 clubs and thats Baccara, Suziewong and Dollhouse.
Why? I have heard and read many times that most of you mongers think these clubs are the top 3 at Cowboy.
But if I want to try a 4th club in SC what club you guys think is the nr 4 in SC?
Or is it time to try Nana instead?
I have hear / read the girls at Nana are not as slim and good looking as in SC?
What do you pros think?
JohnnieBravo
11-29-13, 01:05
This is NOT true for sex, except at a few select soapies. If you go to 300-500 baht hookers at Chinatown or Sanam Luang, they'll go with you for 300-500 baht. If a Thai guy approaches a Sukhumwit skank (not that many would) , she'll ask for 1500-2000 and settle on 800-1200, same as she would for you or me.
Of course, many girls will _try_ charging a sex tourist newbie more than they would a Thai guy or a Thai-speaking sexpat, but in the end most will come down to the going rate. If you're clueless and horny, they'll charge you anything they can get away with, whether you're Farang or Thai. If you're unaware of the going rate or unwilling to negotiate, you'll get charged more. I occasionally monger at Thai-oriented venues, and once talked to a young Thai guy in the elevator of a ST hotel and was surprised he paid 200 baht _more_ than me.
The price depends first and foremost on the venue, then on the girls' popularity within a narrow range.The novelty is exactly why I would go for a haircut with some type of massage or sexual activity to go along with it, Chinaton hookers? Please do share I was not aware of this previously do you have any details?
Also I have had an arthritis flare up that is ruining my mongering activity does anyone know where I could go to get a cortisone shot in my knee here in Thailand as I am feeling fairly miserable right now.
Much thanks again.
Johnnie
Juicyclamlover
11-29-13, 02:00
The novelty is exactly why I would go for a haircut with some type of massage or sexual activity to go along with it, Chinaton hookers? Please do share I was not aware of this previously do you have any details?
Also I have had an arthritis flare up that is ruining my mongering activity does anyone know where I could go to get a cortisone shot in my knee here in Thailand as I am feeling fairly miserable right now.
Much thanks again.
JohnnieBumrungrad Hospital is the place to go for your injection, all English speaking doctors and top service.
Ok I have been to SC a couple of times and soon its time for next trip!
I always visit 3 clubs and thats Baccara, Suziewong and Dollhouse.
Why? I have heard and read many times that most of you mongers think these clubs are the top 3 at Cowboy.
But if I want to try a 4th club in SC what club you guys think is the nr 4 in SC?
Or is it time to try Nana instead?
I have hear / read the girls at Nana are not as slim and good looking as in SC?
What do you pros think?I think you want to have a look in Crazy House round the corner in Soi 23. To me the girls are better looking (more natural looking) than Baccara. I don't know if they perform well though. I only took one girl from there who was a raw newbie for training up a bit.
Nana has some girls with great bodies but plain faces. The number with a very pretty face is very limited at any venue. You should look in Rainbow, Rainbow 4, and Mercury and see for yourself. Finding great lookers without attitude in Nana is a tougher. You find more of the girls that want to do extremely short time for too much money. Many of the hot girls are used to doing 20 min STs with Japanese customers, so don't want me for a 2 hour ST. Some Baccara girls may be like this too. I don't know.
The novelty is exactly why I would go for a haircut with some type of massage or sexual activity to go along with it, Chinaton hookers? Please do share I was not aware of this previously do you have any details?
Also I have had an arthritis flare up that is ruining my mongering activity does anyone know where I could go to get a cortisone shot in my knee here in Thailand as I am feeling fairly miserable right now.
Much thanks again.
JohnnieI think Samitvej Srinakarin will be your best option. The hospital is specialized on Bone function (Orthopedics). I have a friend; she have knee problem and having good service from here. It is on Srinakarin road, any cabbie should know.
. To me the girls are better looking (more natural looking) than Baccara.
Nana has some girls with great bodies but plain faces. The number with a very pretty face is very little.
You find more of the girls that want to do extremely short time for too much money. Many of the hot girls are used to doing 20 min STs with Japanese customers, so don't want me for a 2 hour ST.What is 'more natural? ' I have this penchant for the gamin look, cheeky face and seriously short hair cut with fringe, perky nose and high up boobs.
We each have different tastes and as Thai girls get fatter (sorry to be cruel but size 6 is disappearing) I increasingly go for the petite, small bobbed, tight waisted ladies.
And I guess that limits the field. Since I am not in to PSE unless the girl has adequate English, she will be a non-starter
*Watch 90 percent of last nights' romances at breakfast. They eat in sullen silence. He "How soon can I pay her off and get rid of her." She "How soon can O get my money off and report back to the girls in the bar?"
New Old Guy
11-29-13, 15:49
Just a quick report on this place that is not often mentioned. It is on Thonglor and any taxi driver will know. I ended there after a fruitless time at Insanity and soi cowboy that was closed already. There are many girls lined up and few are attractive. Of course a fat one kept winking at me, yeah rigth. Price started at 3000 to which I reacted talking bullshit with the driver. After 5 minutes dropped to 2500 and that caused some more head shooking by me. Finally the 2000 price came with the request of not divulging it, that I took up as it was my first night. Papasan by all means wanted a 100 tip, gave me back the 2000 as I did not wanted to, eventually I did not without soms mutual banter. The girl was accomodating enough and should have stayed 2 or 3 hours but I did even tried to get that because I needed to sleep.
I think you want to have a look in Crazy House round the corner in Soi 23. To me the girls are better looking (more natural looking) than Baccara. I don't know if they perform well though. I only took one girl from there who was a raw newbie for training up a bit.
Nana has some girls with great bodies but plain faces. The number with a very pretty face is very limited at any venue. You should look in Rainbow, Rainbow 4, and Mercury and see for yourself. Finding great lookers without attitude in Nana is a tougher. You find more of the girls that want to do extremely short time for too much money. Many of the hot girls are used to doing 20 min STs with Japanese customers, so don't want me for a 2 hour ST. Some Baccara girls may be like this too. I don't know.Was at CH last night. Maybe 40 girls of which I would say 10 were fairly nice. But have had 2 friends tell me that they were asked for 3, 000 baht st to which they said, are you crazy but the girls did not budge. This place has become very popular very quickly but I hope they don't think they can raise the standard fee to 3, 000 because if they do and get away with it other gg's will follow eventually.
What is 'more natural? ' I have this penchant for the gamin look, cheeky face and seriously short hair cut with fringe, perky nose and high up boobs.
We each have different tastes and as Thai girls get fatter (sorry to be cruel but size 6 is disappearing) I increasingly go for the petite, small bobbed, tight waisted ladies.
And I guess that limits the field. Since I am not in to PSE unless the girl has adequate English, she will be a non-starterMy favourite bargirl right now would be perfect for you if she got a haircut LOL.
Well your English is a bit weird probably screwed by the forum auto software. I have no clue what is a gamin look. I looked it up and perhaps you intended "gamine" look of famous actress Audrey Hepburn. I suppose your small "bobbed" is small boobs or is this still referring to the hair? Your taste is not that weird except for requiring the short haircut. All my girls have long hair.
I am fortunate that I don't need a girl that can speak English even in the slightest. When I started in Thailand 22 years ago, many girls did not speak much English so I was learning Thai by spending time with Thai girls with almost no English often 24 hours a day.
"Since I am not into PSE unless the girl has adequate English" looks like your punctuation is completely haywire too as these two things seem unconnected. You really should take a little more care with posts. We all have errors creeping in, but you could look a bit silly. Try rereading your posts immediately after posting and fix up a few things.
The debate on the good looking girls is quite interesting.
Many mentions some gogo's at NEP have the best looking (underline: nice looking, not necessarily best performers as we know)
Spending some time at the rails of the two bars in the short alley opening into NEP will give a great parade of the girls BEFORE they get on duty.
I have see quite some beauties (in a way) inside the bars but seldom seen a stunner walking in.
Do they have a secret entrance? LOL
It is quite obivous thy don't, and that can only mean that they enter as nice and ordinary girls and transforms themselves into stunning girls.
was at ch last night. maybe 40 girls of which i would say 10 were fairly nice. but have had 2 friends tell me that they were asked for 3, 000 baht st to which they said, are you crazy but the girls did not budge. this place has become very popular very quickly but i hope they don't think they can raise the standard fee to 3, 000 because if they do and get away with it other gg's will follow eventually.okay i did not know that. i have only taken one girl and that was lt booking, more than once. she wasn't that brilliant at anything, being very much a newbie, but was willing to learn and improved a lot with coaching. i probably felt sorry for her, but she did have a nice face, nice ass, and nice character. very sweet, possibly abnormal for crazy house. maybe the hotter girls there are finding guys that will pay the 3k and that is why they don't need to budge. i would not like to agree to such a figure. one doesn't even know if they are any good, so might not be worth even 2k.
my super figure slim girl at dollhouse (she is the only one of a kind) is a lot cheaper than that and is so good on the bed, that i simply have to keep going back. bfed her today before she got up to dance even once. the mama-san was a little peeved that i am stealing her girl with the best ass immediately. i never had to negotiate a price with her from memory, or maybe she mentioned an amount the very first time, i can't really remember for sure.
maybe crazy house is best just for a look rather than actually taking a girl.
Do they have a secret entrance? LOL
It is quite obivous thy don't, and that can only mean that they enter as nice and ordinary girls and transforms themselves into stunning girls.A few transform themselves somewhat but really the stunners are very scarce. Many guys are seeing a very young girl with a good body nearly naked and calling her a stunner. They forgot to notice the face was just plain Jane. When you look at the girls entering they have clothes on and just the face is showing properly.
Lets be honest, there are very few stunners and they don't last. I believed that Suzi Wong had just one stunning girl that guys were falling over each other to get to. Yet to Thai people she is not stunning as skin is a bit too brown. Her performance on the bed is quite ordinary or less. Yet several guys are wanting to marry her. Probably gone now.
Many say that Baccara has stunners, but I go in there and fail to see those stunners. I see a lot of fake doll faces. I saw some pretty girls spoiled by silly cones. I did see a very pretty faced girl go into Shark today and another very pretty face Aom sitting outside at Long Gun. I think their are the odd "stunners" around but really not many.
What is 'more natural? 'I thought that was obvious to anyone been around here."More natural" means lacking a nose job, lacking a tit job, having real hair, and generally lacking surgical adjustments except for maybe a bit of makeup.
The percentage of girls in Crazy House with silicones or nose job is not that high. I like to look at them dance naked.
In Baccara, so many are fake, that I largely don't like to look at them, and they tend to jiggle around stupidly as well where Crazy House girls dance better.
Each to their own. I know there are many guys around that like Baccara and the Japanese are picking girls so fake looking that they look like ladyboys.
When you look at the girls entering they have clothes on and just the face is showing properly.And when you see most of the girls from Cowboy in the daylight. Yesh! Horror show!
What's itlike getting around on the roads, BTS? With the protestors?
And when you see most of the girls from Cowboy in the daylight. Yesh! Horror show!To me the horror show is drunk girls waiting to go home or buy food at 3am.
What's itlike getting around on the roads, BTS? With the protestors?Yes some disruption to taxi rides if you have luggage. Try to use BTS or motorcycle more than usual when not much luggage. BTS can be sardine tin stuff at peak times though.
New Old Guy
11-30-13, 15:18
To me the horror show is drunk girls waiting to go home or buy food at 3am.Actually that is more a kind of a squallid show. I'm sure in many cSeses an opportunist thai guy gets a ddrunken freebie.
Woops. I'm in Bangkok and my bank cards (both maestro) don't seem to work in any of the machines (even those that say that they accept maestro).
I'm not trying to draw above daily amounts either.
No panic at the moment. My hotel is pre paid for a few days and I had some cash to convert. But I was rather hoping to party a bit tonight and tomorrow.
Instead I am catching up on my work and sleep until I know I can replenish my cash reserves. Not the best way to spend one's first night in the LOS!
JesseJames
11-30-13, 17:13
What's itlike getting around on the roads, BTS? With the protestors?No problem
Coconut8888
11-30-13, 17:58
No problemSo, to answer the question, is it safe to visit Bangkok at this time? Absolutely!
Don't cancel or postpone your trip!
At this point in time the protests are taking place well away from most areas popular with foreigners. Siam Square, Sukhumvit Road and Silom Road are all free of protesters. There has been the odd assembly around the Asoke skytrain station at lunch time but lasts no more than an hour.
The exception is the protesters' main occupation site at and around Democracy Monument which is close to Khao San Road. It remains business as usual at Khao San with everywhere open and operating as per normal. I imagine, however, that it might not be that easy to get a taxi from other parts of town to Khao San Road. Taxi drivers may be reluctant to venture to the area with some roads in the area closed as they are occupied by protesters, and a few roadblocks / checkpoints in place. If you're on a budget, it mightn't be a bad idea to consider staying in one of the other areas popular with budget travellers such as Soi Kasemsan 1, next to the National Stadium skytrain station where there are a handful of guesthouses.
For all visitors to Bangkok, it would be wise to avoid any protest groups or areas, should you happen to come across them. They aren't looking for trouble and foreigners will largely be invisible to them, but should the situation escalate with clashes between opposing groups then it could become a situation best avoided.
Come to Bangkok and you'll have a great time!
Coconut8888
11-30-13, 18:03
Woops. I'm in Bangkok and my bank cards (both maestro) don't seem to work in any of the machines (even those that say that they accept maestro).
I'm not trying to draw above daily amounts either.
No panic at the moment. My hotel is pre paid for a few days and I had some cash to convert. But I was rather hoping to party a bit tonight and tomorrow.
Instead I am catching up on my work and sleep until I know I can replenish my cash reserves. Not the best way to spend one's first night in the LOS!I usually used Aeon Bank ATM in Terminal 21 lower level or at MBK 2nd floor.
Also sometime your Bank's debit card put a hold, if the see fund withdrawn from ATM that is out of you country.
Western787
11-30-13, 18:48
No problemAs of 5:30 pm London time, reports coming in from Bangkok. Do not sound promising. Very very troubling.
Paul Kausch
11-30-13, 19:23
As of 5:30 pm London time, reports coming in from Bangkok. Do not sound promising. Very very troubling.Really? The last reports I read said there were significant drops in the number of protesters who continued to be peaceful. The US State Department was sending me daily updates which summarized the events and said there was no problem traveling to Thailand. As of a few days ago they stopped sending the updates. Apparently they don't think the situation is very serious.
New Old Guy
11-30-13, 19:29
Woops. I'm in Bangkok and my bank cards (both maestro) don't seem to work in any of the machines (even those that say that they accept maestro).
I'm not trying to draw above daily amounts either.
No panic at the moment. My hotel is pre paid for a few days and I had some cash to convert. But I was rather hoping to party a bit tonight and tomorrow.
Instead I am catching up on my work and sleep until I know I can replenish my cash reserves. Not the best way to spend one's first night in the LOS!Sorry, what is the purpose of your posting? Recently I had blocked cards, broken or lost important items, etc but did not report, check again the purpose of the forum.
Wolvenvacht
11-30-13, 20:09
Woops. I'm in Bangkok and my bank cards (both maestro) don't seem to work in any of the machines (even those that say that they accept maestro).
I'm not trying to draw above daily amounts either.
No panic at the moment. My hotel is pre paid for a few days and I had some cash to convert. But I was rather hoping to party a bit tonight and tomorrow.
Instead I am catching up on my work and sleep until I know I can replenish my cash reserves. Not the best way to spend one's first night in the LOS!It is only very obliquely related to the theme of this forum, but of course ready access to money is one of the elements in our hobby. After all the subtitle of this forum is "Money is the greatest aphrodisiac".
I don't know where you hail from, but since about a year European Banks have blocked debit cards for extra-European transactions. In other words: outside of Europe they will not work anymore. One is advised to use credit cards. Nevertheless if you ask it nicely, they can undo this blockage, so perhaps you can speak to your friendly banker or send them a secure email through the internet banking app.
Hi Wolvenvacht. Appreciated it was a bit tangential. But then there are lots of tangential posts on this forum!
Indeed my cards are European and I suspected that that might have been the case and will have to get on the case tomorrow or Monday.
So back to the main topic:
In the meantime I went Window shopping in Nana Plaza. Elegant Angels had the best floor shows (a bit Parisian 1930s Chic). Though Cascade on the top floor had some hot. But very pushy. Women (although some. Actually the hottest ones.were almost certainly not women). I realised I couldn't afford bar fines let alone those girls asking prices this weekend so cruised up and down the street outside and picked up this fine young girl (Tike) for an hour of intimate fun back at my place. Damage 1k Baht plus a tip. She was one of the shy ones on the block. (relatively) demurely dressed, sitting on water barrel, not really making lots of eye contact. Until I asked if she was looking for business. But she was a very good provider. Alternating between a (very) good blow job and a hand job with deep kissing. Every time I said go slower she did. So no clock watcher.
So much for the experiences of people who say the girls outside Nana Plaza won't go anywhere for less than 2-3K. Photos to follow.
It is only very obliquely related to the theme of this forum, but of course ready access to money is one of the elements in our hobby. After all the subtitle of this forum is "Money is the greatest aphrodisiac".
I don't know where you hail from, but since about a year European Banks have blocked debit cards for extra-European transactions. In other words: outside of Europe they will not work anymore. One is advised to use credit cards. Nevertheless if you ask it nicely, they can undo this blockage, so perhaps you can speak to your friendly banker or send them a secure email through the internet banking app.
New Old Guy
11-30-13, 22:16
I don't know where you hail from, but since about a year European Banks have blocked debit cards for extra-European transactions. In other words: outside of Europe they will not work anymore.Reference? I have european debit cards and they work perfectly all over the world, expecially for atm withdrawal s. Nobody is obliged yet to use a credit card for withdrawals and take the related extra fees.
I don't know where you hail from, but since about a year European Banks have blocked debit cards for extra-European transactions. In other words: outside of Europe they will not work anymore. One is advised to use credit cards. Nevertheless if you ask it nicely, they can undo this blockage, so perhaps you can speak to your friendly banker or send them a secure email through the internet banking app.Maybe you hail from an obscure part of Europe but as far as UK banks are concerned one word. Nonsense. I have been using my debit card regularly over the last month to draw up to my daily limit.
My US Debit card works equally well.
I do inform both banks that I am travelling and not to block the access.
I have never been told to use a credit card as a generalisation. But some cards do not add as much transaction cards as others.
So if you are Brit. Don't worry.
Hi Wolvenvacht. Appreciated it was a bit tangential. Though Cascade on the top floor had some hot. But very pushy. Women (although some. Actually the hottest ones. Were almost certainly not women).
So much for the experiences of people who say the girls outside Nana Plaza won't go anywhere for less than 2-3K. Photos to follow.Cascade has only LB's at work, not some.
Really? The last reports I read said there were significant drops in the number of protesters who continued to be peaceful. The US State Department was sending me daily updates which summarized the events and said there was no problem traveling to Thailand. As of a few days ago they stopped sending the updates. Apparently they don't think the situation is very serious.Paul,
I live in east Bangkok near where the shooting occurred yesterday & it is a heavy atmosphere, ambulances & sirens through the night. As well as the US travel info keep an eye on the UK and Australian travel advice. The latter often seem to be the fastest off the mark. I have been here through three coups & all the trouble since 2006 & it is now getting bad with both competing groups assembling en masse. The reality is this is now 2 countries not one and neither side can tolerate being governed by the other.
So, to answer the question, is it safe to visit Bangkok at this time? Absolutely!
Don't cancel or postpone your trip!
Come to Bangkok and you'll have a great time!Fewer tourist means more fun!
Paul Kausch
12-01-13, 03:07
Paul I live in east Bangkok near where the shooting occurred yesterday & it is a heavy atmosphere, ambulances & sirens through the night. As well as the US travel info keep an eye on the UK and Australian travel advice. The latter often seem to be the fastest off the mark. I have been here through three coups & all the trouble since 2006 & it is now getting bad with both competing groups assembling en masse. The reality is this is now 2 countries not one and neither side can tolerate being governed by the other.The shooting is terrible.
The last news reports I read prior to my post did not mention a shooting, just dwindling numbers of protesters. Since my post I have read reports about the shooting. It will be interesting to see what the State Dept recommends in their next email; however, I take their emails with a grain of salt. Thank you for the advice to follow the UK and Australian travel alerts. Regardless, I'm not changing my travel plans; and of course I won't be heartbroken if the airport shuts down and I have to extend my stay for reasons beyond my control. It would be interesting to find myself in the middle of a story that Graham Greene could have written. Notice I write interesting, not fun. While I certainly don't want to get caught in the middle of a violent protest Bangkok is a big city and it should be possible to stay out of harms way.
I think you are correct about there being two countries. It's a problem when you have an elite old guard trying to hang on to power, a rising middle class that wants a stable country and healthy economy, and a majority of poor, uneducated people who support a populist party that gains their support by gives them a share of the spoils. No matter how many elections are held the current government, perhaps in a slightly different form will get re-elected. The opposition knows this, and the alternative is a military junta or a government appointed by the military. What a mess.
The shooting is terrible.
The last news reports I read prior to my post did not mention a shooting, just dwindling numbers of protesters. Since my post I have read reports about the shooting. It will be interesting to see what the State Dept recommends in their next email; however, I take their emails with a grain of salt. Thank you for the advice to follow the UK and Australian travel alerts. Regardless, I'm not changing my travel plans; and of course I won't be heartbroken if the airport shuts down and I have to extend my stay for reasons beyond my control. It would be interesting to find myself in the middle of a story that Graham Greene could have written. Notice I write interesting, not fun. While I certainly don't want to get caught in the middle of a violent protest Bangkok is a big city and it should be possible to stay out of harms way.
I think you are correct about there being two countries. It's a problem when you have an elite old guard trying to hang on to power, a rising middle class that wants a stable country and healthy economy, and a majority of poor, uneducated people who support a populist party that gains their support by gives them a share of the spoils. No matter how many elections are held the current government, perhaps in a slightly different form will get re-elected. The opposition knows this, and the alternative is a military junta or a government appointed by the military. What a mess.Well I think the best strategy not to become a Dead American is indeed to be a Quiet American.
The WSJ intimated that the timing of the protests may be linked to an imminent eminent death. That actually explains a lot & of course could be the catalyst for a real no holds confrontation.
Whilst the chances of a farang getting killed are statistically low I found the intimidating atmosphere across a lot of the city v unpleasant last time. My part of town contains the main entrée point for reds from the east & lower N East to enter the city and sometimes this vast surge of people literally clogs up all the roads around where I live for hours. I exited to Chiang Mai for several months last time to get away from it. That of course is the best alternative. Go to a solidly red or yellow area and life proceeds as per usual except there are less tourists. I have done some long recent trips around the North East and found it delightful, just like the Thailand I remembered from 28 years ago. Trouble in Bangkok can be a great incentive to get out and about.
Sukhumvit is quieter than usual and there is no evidence of any protestors.
Do stay away. We don't want the scaremongers frightening off the ladies.
The demonstrations & deaths are currently focussed in specific areas where the protesters are concentrated.
My area of east Sukhumvit is normal but 2 miles away last night they were shooting & killing each other as news reports show.
While certainly nobody wants scaremongers, also some of us don't want dead mongers either.
Anybody who pretends they know how this will end and when it will end is not smart but dumb.
Was at CH last night. Maybe 40 girls of which I would say 10 were fairly nice. But have had 2 friends tell me that they were asked for 3, 000 baht st to which they said, are you crazy but the girls did not budge. This place has become very popular very quickly but I hope they don't think they can raise the standard fee to 3, 000 because if they do and get away with it other gg's will follow eventually.I paid less than 3K for ST with Min. The mamasan was a bit irritating and possibly trying to tell me the girl rates but I was not paying attention. She also wanted to mention how much was on my drink bill. Again, I am ignoring her. It doesn't seem to be her business. She did not want to add the 700 Baht BF to the bill. Appears that they are not trusting the customers in this bar at all.
Min is not a typical bargirl. Seems to be 100% honest and trustworthy, despite the myth that all bargirls are liars and cheats. Min warned me that some girls in the bar are indeed trying to cheat the customer. So if the girl tries to get you to pay up front, it could mean she has been ripped off by customers refusing to pay for the sex, or could mean she is a cheat and will run away at the first possible opportunity. Certain nationalities of customers have bad reputations for disputing the bill (bad memories or a culture thing?) , and others for ripping off the girl. Guys from the USA enjoy the very best reputation (I am not from there) for fairness, honesty and avoiding foul language. I could practise my American accent. I can even speak Thai with a funny American like accent LOL. Not sure if Americans can be picked by the way they dress, but its wise not to dress too sloppy and make sure you are clean. Sweaty singlets is not a good look. Typically Singaporeans, Koreans, and Japanese can be picked by dress style I am told.
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