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Considering the new feminist slant in Thai Unis (women outnumber men in Unis by quite a bit and Thailand has more women CEOs than any other nation) , I think things will continue to change far quicker than most of us would like.
Another change, most of the younger foreigners I know are just not down with mongering. I know plenty of young dudes through the music scene, foodie scene, and work who have grown up with the Western Feminist model when it comes to mongering. It is deeply engrained in their heads.
Contrast the scene now with what is was just 5 short years ago. A mere shadow in every way, shape, and form.
I would be very surprised if within a decade things have not been cleaned up considerably, at least in BKK. Pattaya may be another matter, but with the awful demographics haunting the place nowadays, who wants to go there anyway?got to agree with Khun Goat on this. The poison of feminism has been creeping into every facet of western society. Here in LA virtually all (white) men below their early 30s are some variation of Metrosexual. There has been such a war on masculinity in this country's schools that it's frightening. When they finally graduate from these Stalinist indoctrination camps, err, schools, they have been completely emasculated. I suspect they all think the sun shines out of some radical lesbian's ass.
Not to be content with fucking up the USA, these dragons have been polluting all of the Western world. While Thailand has a different evolutionary history than the west, I fear that the same poison is creeping into Thai society as well. Maybe not. But the times they are a'changin'.
In my travels I've always preferred, whenever possible, to conduct nocturnal operations as the locals might. Being a furriner you can't do that 100. Having said that, I won't be sorry to see the go-gos, and such garishness, go away. I've long thought that BKK suffered from a long-running Vietnam War hangover. The in-your-face bars, massage venues, etc, are 1970s relics. I'm surprised the Thais have put up with them as long as they have. I truly think their days are numbered.
Oh, and ditto on the PTY demos. Frightening.
Paul Kausch
03-25-14, 01:30
There has been such a war on masculinity in this country's schools that it's frightening.Had a girl friend in San Francisco from Eastern Europe. Had plenty of opportunities to see her middle school son's life. What I noticed was the girls his age were the agents of the emasculation you describe. Twelve-year old girls are so much more mature than boys their age. Empower and encourage those girls and the poor boys lack the maturity to defend themselves. My girl friend, who was a supper smart professional, said her son would not have to deal with that had she stayed in Eastern Europe. A few years ago I listened to an National Public Radio interview with a woman, a sociologist with a teenage daughter. She wrote a book about this problem and complained as a mother she wanted her daughter to have better prospects for a potential spouse than the timid adolescents boys her daughter went to school with. She thought society was making a terrible mistake making concerted efforts to undermine the emotional development of boys. Of course I'm sure all the lesbian feminists who read ISG are laughing at us for writing the posts. Haha!
Salt Lake City may not be swarming with sex workers, but they are plentiful in every major USA city I've visited or lived in. I'm in South Florida now and they are very plentiful here, though mercenary attitudes are common and 90 minutes will cost the equivalent of THB9000 and up.
Can't speak for Manila, though I've heard plenty of good things about it, but as for BKK, I heartily agree. I have no problem finding ladies with good to great attitudes. Every lady I was with in December was fun to be with, and the sex ranged from pretty good to fantastic. Perhaps there are fewer desirable ladies in the gogos, but I've stopped looking for ladies there. I was in Climax with Bo and Cheer from Bamboo one Sunday night and the venue was filled with ladies in the 6 to 8 range. They outnumbered the guys 5 to 1. Of course everything is more expensive than it was 10 years ago. Where isn't it? But I just booked a room in the Sofitel, a newer 5-star hotel right on lower Sukhumvit. I'm paying only US$111++ per night! And I'm confident I'll get a free upgrade when I check in. Not many major cities on this planet where you can get a room in a 5-star hotel in a prime location at that price. I'm looking forward to eating great food from the sidewalk stalls, and paying far less than I would for a lousy hamburger in a fast food joint in the USA. Two hours with a honey from an MP will cost one-third (or less) than 90 minutes with a hooker in South Florida, and I know the Bangkok babe will have a better attitude. Hell, for not much more than the 90 minutes with the Florida hooker costs I can book a great escort in Bangkok for overnight.
Relatively speaking Bangkok is a low cost travel destination with a great sex scene. As for the attitudes of the ladies, what goes around comes around. If you have a good attitude you're more likely to be pleased with the lady's attitude. But don't be foolish and think one can have the same experience on the same budget as 5 or 10 years ago.
Thailand is developing. There are plenty of employment options. For decades now women in Issan have been having smaller and smaller families. Bangkok is still a great destination; I expect it still will be in 5 years; and I expect in 5 years guys will be complaining that it is not as good as it was 5 years ago.
When I was a kid my father used to feed me this crap about it was better when he was growing up. He was growing up in the fucking 1930s during the USA depression! He also told me sometimes he'd eat green beans three meals a day five days a week and feel fortunate his family had a garden so they had food to eat. Right, it sure sounds like it was better when he was growing up. Ah for the good old days.And yes, I imagine it will be less wonderful for the monger in another 5 years. Comparing Bangkok to the US or any other destination is disingenuous, especially for a resident. We are comparing the scene and costs from a decade ago to the scene now in Bangkok, and it is drastically different. As a resident for over 14 years I can tell you that it is easily 100% more expensive to live her than it was in '99 and I am being conservative. Yes, that takes the weak dollar into account as well. Beer in gogos was 80 baht, girls 500-1000 baht, BF in Cowboy bars 400 baht, with a 50% discount card two could eat at the JW Marriot buffet for 12. 50 US per person. Yep 1k baht out the door for 2. 111++? You could stay at the Landmark for well less than 100 USD in 99. Could get a great hotel for 1k a night in BKK. BKK was cheap, user friendly and fun. I still have a great time here, just not in the P4P scene. To throw in a comparison, I doubt it is 100% more expensive to live in a US or European city when compared with 14 years ago.
Most of the residents that I know don't frequent gogos or discos so much and many of the girls that work in those establishments aren't real fond of locals who speak the language. We are just not easy marks. In the "good ole days" the majority of gals wanted one thing, a dude to take care of them. Now most can bank more not having a boyfriend or husband. Good on 'them, but not so good for us.
Don't get me wrong, I like many things about the rampant development (boutique coffee roasters, expanding Indie music scene, etc) , I still choose to live here, but as a mongering destination, maybe for the tourist and the occasional visitor it is ok, but for the long term resident, meh is about the best I can muster.
Tourists and residents have different requirements. Nothing wrong with either. I have been both. If you were living here your perspective would change a bit I think.
Paul Kausch
03-25-14, 03:57
I think long time expats and sex tourists have different perspectives. Expats live in BKK and experience the rising cost of living as the standard of living of the average Thai improves. We live in relatively expensive parts of the world, Northern Europe and North America. We fly in, fuck and fly out. Most things in Bangkok seem cheap to us.
And yes, I imagine it will be less wonderful for the monger in another 5 years. Comparing Bangkok to the US or any other destination is disingenuous, especially for a resident. We are comparing the scene and costs from a decade ago to the scene now in Bangkok, and it is drastically different.
Tourists and residents have different requirements. Nothing wrong with either. I have been both. If you were living here your perspective would change a bit I think.We agree that the tourist and expat have different perspectives. See the part of my earlier post (above) in a reply to Skogis. I was following up on a Skogis post and writing strictly from the perspective of a tourist.
Western787
03-25-14, 04:04
Hi everyone,
This is my first post and I wanted to start by thanking all of your for the great information I have enjoyed! I am preparing to make Bangkok my home and although it is a dream come true, it also means that I will never again be able to enjoy all that the city has to offer with anonymity. I will have to be very careful regarding where I am seen due to my employment and exposure. I have begun to think critically about how to continue the hobby with as little risk as possible. Cowboy, known oilies and the like are unfortunately out. I have found some fun FS times on my travels with the regular massage shops but of course that is hit and miss and it kind of zaps the fun when you must be quiet on a small mat. Is there a scene that fits the bill where one can go during the day (nights are out too unfortunately) with very little risk of being seen. A more local area would very much fit the bill. I must watch out for Farang eyes who might know who I am.
Thanks in advance, and I look forward to becoming a contributor!
ShazFake glasses are the key. Look at Clark Kent, not a single person ever figured out his true identity, just couldn't make the connection given the brilliance of the disguise. This will allow you to go whereever you want, when you want: for example: take in the Beer Garden vibe, check out early morning Sukhumvit beauties between Soi 3 and Soi 5, peruse the late afternoon hotties at Nana Parking Lot, or enjoy the wonders of Soi 4 bars, where you can hang all day playing pool with hot chicks, and then bang em in the shortterm rooms when they won't take no for an answer.
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=clark+kent&qs=n&form=QBIR&pq=clark+kent&sc=8-9&sp=-1&sk=#view=detail&id=BB136796F87DA8C07C367252149B934C150C2E9B&selectedIndex=113
Given that this is an almost identical post to the one on the Bangkok Massage Parlors. Except TULIP and ANNIES! Thread, I've answered it there:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1421-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-Except-TULIP-and-ANNIES!&p=1546616&viewfull=1#post1546616Talking about class management, have fun in reading this PM I got yesterday. The sender has a big 13 post history (I didn't bother to check their content). There is no trace anywhere on ISG I have ever mongered in India, nevertheless the guy decided I am an expert there! Go imagine if they read! This guy must deserve the top prize fir the month. On a side note read the "I request." Not even my employer or my wife address to me this way! LOL.
And then they accuse us of profiling on Indians? It is their behaviour rule! Last night I saw two guys in lower sukhumvit dealing with a lady. I can bet what the deal was about."You. Us. Altogether. Same room. Same price for the hour."
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Re: Hi,
Dear sir, this is a doctor from Bangalore working in karimnagar requesting you to share independent contact girl or ladies from hyderabad prefarably north east or nepali. I would reciprocate with a very nice south indian contact from secundrabad. Thanks. Kindly note if you don't have any northeast girls any good south indian will do.
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I hope not to be sick in India if that is the approach of a doctor there. And FFS, do we care if a mongerer is a doctor or a welder?
I will ask him for the gps coordinates of the girls he is looking for. Starts from Nepal and ends in Andaman Sea, maybe it is sufficient she breathes and her body temperature is 37C: an alive body!
Paul Kausch
03-25-14, 04:51
I will have to be very careful regarding where I am seen due to my employment and exposure.
ShazYou might consider finding some nondescript hotels in parts of town where you are unlikely to run into people you know and have escorts or MP girls on outcalls see you in your hotel room.
All of TWO posts:
09-04-13 09:37, Bombay thread: Dear Esteemed Mumbai Mongers.
I hope you can sympathize with my situation and lend a helping hand. I have been working in a Bermuda Triangle of mongering in the middle east for three yearsGeesh, I worked for a number of years in the Middle East and found that I could offer a few FR's. Yes, you might not work in the UAE, but distance and flights very manageable in the region.
09-04-13 09:37, Bombay thread:I hope this does not come off as desperate even though it is; my last excursion to Beijing was awash with mongering fails which could have been avoided with some sage advice.So, rather than offer cautions of what didn't work to fellow, and I use that term loosely, mongers, well, why waste YOUR time helping OTHERS?
09-04-13 09:37, Bombay thread:I have nothing to offer in terms of returning new information although I will report back on my exploitsUnfortunately for you, ISG offers a very convenient search methodology: click on a member's name to the left of any of their posts, in the pop-up window select "View Forum Posts", and SHAZAAM, there you go. Or NOT, in your specific case.
it also means that I will never again be able to enjoy all that the city has to offer with anonymity. I will have to be very careful regarding where I am seen due to my employment and exposure. I have begun to think critically about how to continue the hobby with as little risk as possible. Cowboy, known oilies and the like are unfortunately out. I have found some fun FS times on my travels with the regular massage shops but of course that is hit and miss and it kind of zaps the fun when you must be quiet on a small mat. Is there a scene that fits the bill where one can go during the day (nights are out too unfortunately) with very little risk of being seen. A more local area would very much fit the bill. I must watch out for Farang eyes who might know who I am.
Thanks in advance, and I look forward to becoming a contributor!Well, I'll wait and see about your contributions. However, unlike you, I'm willing to help: Buy a motorcycle. They are a real godsend for beating the horrendous traffic in BKK Buy a full bike helmet, with tinted face shield. Wear that. Just make sure not to try to walk into any banks. Or try any of the oft mentioned escort agencies - a whole thread here dedicated to them. I am sure YOU think your swelled head will make you stand out, but, sorry to say, the reality is, your head is the SAME size as everybody else's. And, truth be told, to most every Falang, you all look the same.
We negotiated the details for short time and, just after I'd paid the bar fine, I saw a girl exactly my type, #101, go up the stage and start dancing. Darn, it's always like that! Or is it "the grass is greener" automatic regret? When I first started visiting Thailand, was out in a Nana bar with a colleague who lived here. He gave me some very sage advice which has stood me in good stead over the decades: "Don't be a kid in a candy store, looking here, looking there, trying to pick the "best" sweet. Pick one, take, and enjoy. If you've spotted another, just take the NEXT time."
Talking about class management, have fun in reading this PM I got yesterday.
And then they accuse us of profiling on Indians? It is their behaviour rule! Last night I saw two guys in lower sukhumvit dealing with a lady. I can bet what the deal was about."You. Us. Altogether. Same room. Same price for the hour."Obviously, the doctor had done his research. :) I think it's like spam e-mail; they blast out any number, hoping to get a few hits.
And yes, at least with the dxb wg's, the sub-continent known for their "Musketeers" mentality. On the other hand, had one regular who told me, up front, she charged them less than me as they made less money.
We agree that the tourist and expat have different perspectives. See the part of my earlier post (above) in a reply to Skogis. I was following up on a Skogis post and writing strictly from the perspective of a tourist.I think that is spot on Paul. Expats move to place because they like the way it "is." We also tend to come here with our Western perspective on development. Things have changed more in Thailand in the 14 years I have been here than they have changed in 30 back home in D / FW, TX. We just don't expect for it to change that fast.
Many things in Thailand are more expensive then they are in the US. Alcohol for one, western food and good coffee for another. Yes, hotels are cheaper than major cities in the US, but that really has no effect on the expat. Quality clothing is way more expensive in Thailand, as are cars and gasoline. Being in BKK I own a motorbike not a car, but if I ever move out of BKK a car will be needed.
Rents, well that depends. Do you want to live in a place that is new and western standard? Well, for a one bedroom you are looking at a minimum of 25k baht, which is about 100% more than what it was 10 years ago.
Local food is cheap and the biggie, so is health insurance. I pay about 1100 USD per year for a major med policy that covers up to 1 mil US per year. At almost 50 years old, that is a great deal.
Paul Kausch
03-25-14, 08:02
Expats move to place because they like the way it "is." We also tend to come here with our Western perspective on development. Things have changed more in Thailand in the 14 years I have been here than they have changed in 30 back home in D / FW, TX. We just don't expect for it to change that fast.Your first sentence above is very insightful. Anyone lucky enough to find a place to live they love is eventually going to be disappointed, because it will change. Developing countries in particular can change very fast.
So I sympathize with the expats living in Bangkok; and because I'm seriously considering moving to Thailand in the next few years I pay close attention to what you are saying. You fight and struggle in your native land. Your lucky enough to escape and find yourself in Valhalla, only to watch it disappear due to forces beyond your control.
Western787
03-25-14, 08:13
I think that is spot on Paul. Expats move to place because they like the way it "is." We also tend to come here with our Western perspective on development. Things have changed more in Thailand in the 14 years I have been here than they have changed in 30 back home in D / FW, TX. We just don't expect for it to change that fast.
Many things in Thailand are more expensive then they are in the US. Alcohol for one, western food and good coffee for another. Yes, hotels are cheaper than major cities in the US, but that really has no effect on the expat. Quality clothing is way more expensive in Thailand, as are cars and gasoline. Being in BKK I own a motorbike not a car, but if I ever move out of BKK a car will be needed.
Rents, well that depends. Do you want to live in a place that is new and western standard? Well, for a one bedroom you are looking at a minimum of 25k baht, which is about 100% more than what it was 10 years ago.
Local food is cheap and the biggie, so is health insurance. I pay about 1100 USD per year for a major med policy that covers up to 1 mil US per year. At almost 50 years old, that is a great deal.As far as mongering and so forth trend is downhill for sure, but Bangkok still has a long way to go to reach bottom.
Bangkok in terms of intensity and the overall vibe matches up as a world class city, more comparable to NYC than the Dallas Ft Worth Metroplex area. Unless its downtown, newer one bedrooms go below 20k, studios in first rate buildings down to 12k plus most have incredible swimming pools nearly non existent in places like NYC. In fact 8 miles from downtown presentable apartments can be found for approx 5k, and while not fancy, and lacking pools, or next door to the MRT, it will generally be adequate. You can't even find (self) storage boxes in many western cities at those rates. In NYC a one bedroom would typically be around 100k in anyplace with even a minimum amount of safety, and nearly always an old building. As for western food, perhaps you're talking about buying imported steaks at Foodlander or Villa Market, because prepared western food can be far cheaper than the USA in many of the chain restaurants in places like Terminal 21 or elsewhere, and in fact offer better fares than the same restaurants offer back in the states. Now as far as mongering. Let me use Skogis style as an example to prove the point, really the somewhat upper fringes of P4P, basically Hi So / semi pro/ FL club hopping / mongering. Perhaps he can comment, but I doubt he could pull that kind of action in NYC or London or other major western cities for 5 times what he is paying in Bangkok. Nor do I think he would get comparable quality EVEN if it were available and was willing to pay 5 times more. Now while the Global Nanpa guy has disappeared, he too was directing most of his efforts in Bangkok and nearby countries - precisely because he deemed Bangkok a bargain at the higher end also. As far as normal mongering, there is no comparison in the USA at all in terms of extended shortterm or long terms, or the sheer number of semi pros in this market, or anything remotely like the soapie palaces of Ratchada, oil massage parlors, regular bars, Go Go's, or even street girls, unless one considers crack hoes working NYC as comparable to FL's hanging at Nana parking lot, Beer Garden or elsewhere around the city. The market in most western cities, especially the USA just doesn't exist in comparable form. Just the visuals in Bangkok are quite extraordinary, with beautiful women seemingly everywhere, very different than the states and many other western cities.
Stick's report is spot on. The Coyote idiocy certainly adds to the woes. Why should a girl service dudes when she can make 35k a month or more just dancing? It just gets worse and worse.BKK is just too trendy now. No matter where you are going in Thailand, BKK is going to be your first and last stop. Go Go Bars are now just like US strip clubs. But strip clubs are not full of gawking tourists, just drinking and killing time before they head off to some beach.
I lived in BKK for 6 years and I can say without a doubt, I will never drink Singha, San Mig Light, or Heineken ever again. If you have seen 1 temple, you have seen them all. Thai food is good, but there is nothing 100% authentic about eating Thai food in Thailand. Thai food is Thai food.
If getting as many cheap shags as possible is your only goal on a vacation, sure BKK and the sewer known as Pattaya is still perhaps your best bet.
But if your goal is to enjoy many of the finer things in life such as Beer, Wine, a variety of cusines, skunk weed, and clean air! There are lots of better places to go than Thailand. Plus you could probably fuck white and black girls too!
Western787
03-25-14, 08:40
So I sympathize with the expats living in Bangkok; and because I'm seriously considering moving to Thailand in the next few years I pay close attention to what you are saying. You fight and struggle in your native land. Your lucky enough to escape and find yourself in Valhalla, only to watch it disappear due to forces beyond your control.LOL, if someone got to spent 14 years in Bangkok, much of it in the "Golden Years" or just a few years, or can spend months at a time at will, or can do high volume frequent-visits there is no need for sympathy, as such person is thus un shackled from western based ballbusters, something few males can ever hope to accomplish, and thus would be deemed "damn lucky". This brings to mind what the David Mamet created character "Charles Morse" (Anthony Hopkins) in THE EDGE said to Alex Baldwin "Never feel sorry for a man who owns his own plane."
My observations reaches 8 years back when I first started to hit BKK and for the pricing of top ends hotel I think it was relatively more expensive 8 years back then it is today (due to stronger competition today. Demos, floods and in general an unruly gvm ofcourse have brought visitors down atleast into BKK itself). The prices in BHT have been almost the same. For my earlier monger hotel Grand President a deluxe suite costed 2200 incl taxes and still do today (is it more expensive or cheaper today relatively speaking?). For the girls I started with picking a FL girl from Thermae if I remember correctly and I gave her 3K back then and I still do pay the girls 3k in general for real LT play. I pick from every known FL nightclub there is but ofcourse staying many times over the years in Grand President most of my picks have come from Climax. Still 3k compensation. I NEVER discuss price upfront just a hand out when they leave and I have yet, as far as I remember, to see a girl have been unhappy.
Earlier years Spasso in Hyatt Erewan was a typical 5K LT pickup place. Girls pimping themself more up in coctail dresses. The latest years easy to have girls here for 3 to 4K? Have it become cheaper or more expensive? The number and quality of girls same same from my observation. Even had 2 FL`s from spasso for 6K (gave them 3 each).
Once again maby the girls under the barfinesystem one way or another have become more expensive, well it does no affect me as if I meet girls operating in this scene I meet them when they change into the FL scene. Even btls of vodka I think run in the same pricerange than I first started to come here (in the clubs that is).
I am not arguing that in general BKK have become more expensive (I would not have a clue regarding lets say typical living expenses as that does not realy affect me either since I am so lucky I can come and go as I like). What is important to me when in BKK are hotels, taxies, booze, western food, Kamagra and FL thai girls and prices here are still surprisingly cheap.In my experience Bangkok can be as cheap or expensive as you make it out to be. I like to stay in fine hotels as I firmly believe your environment plays a impact on how you feel throughout your trip. If I had had a rough day, I won't feel much better dragging myself to a 3 star filled with low class FL's and sleazy tuk-tuk drivers. I had had some very expensive nights but mostly it wasn't for the sex itself but everything else. Clubbing, drinks, etc. For some reason this really tends to add up in Bangkok. If you just stick to the sex then you are getting a great deal compared to many other mongering destinations.
I have taken girls overnight at 3-5K from Gogo's and ended up spending 10K just on the night out. Dinner, Bottle Service, Cab Rides, Wine etc, etc. By the time we get back to the room I am so inebriated that I can't even perform to my best that even the money for the sex seems wasted. I have never tried the FL scene, normally sticking to Gogos and Escort Services but I think my next trip should be focused here. If the girl is already at the venue, I won't worry about serenading her much and just take her back to the hotel after a few drinks. Escorts can also get very pricey for a night out intown, especially with their rate added to the mix and bar girls tabs can also really add up so I am defo leaning the FL venue next trip. I also get to pick and choose and mingle not worrying about time or bar fines. I have seen some very attractive FL's in front of the Sofitel Hotel on Suk and I am sure I can pull them LT for less than these escorts and Bar Girls
These extra's have really burned a hole in me during some of my trips. Things that you don't consider but add up and the up-sell on the sex becomes that much more and its not worth the price at the day. That being said. 5 star hotels and their service for the price cannot be beat anywhere else in the world and perhaps the seafood.
Your first sentence above is very insightful. Anyone lucky enough to find a place to live they love is eventually going to be disappointed, because it will change. Developing countries in particular can change very fast.
So I sympathize with the expats living in Bangkok; and because I'm seriously considering moving to Thailand in the next few years I pay close attention to what you are saying. You fight and struggle in your native land. Your lucky enough to escape and find yourself in Valhalla, only to watch it disappear due to forces beyond your control.To slightly paraphrase Oscar Wilde, We kill the thing we love.
Yes, Thailand of the late '90s through the '00s was great. I'm convinced it was even better, from what others have told me, in the 70s and 80s. Unfortunately, the beginning of the end was the confluence of cheap airfares and the Internet. All the guys who had found "Nirvana" talked about it. The hordes descended. The place changed.
Doesn't matter if it's a hooker bar in BKK, a hidden gem of a restaurant in Brussels or a deserted beach in Jamaica. If you blab it, they will come. And they did. And things will never be the same. They might be good, they might be bad, but they'll never be the same.
Like you, I have long planned to make Thailand my home, but I've been having second thoughts. I can probably learn to live with being a second class citizen. But I have hobbies I like. I like old cars. I like wine. I like to travel. Unfortunately these things are damned expensive in Thailand. Constant visa renewals, or whatever they call them, have to be a PITA. The inability to (easily) own property. Sometimes I wonder if the Thais really want farang living there. Dunno. Others can shed more light. Maybe I'm overthinking it. But Mexico is looking better as a permanent base. God knows the USA is going to be unlivable in a few years.
Had a girl friend in San Francisco from Eastern Europe. Had plenty of opportunities to see her middle school son's life. What I noticed was the girls his age were the agents of the emasculation you describe. Twelve-year old girls are so much more mature than boys their age. Empower and encourage those girls and the poor boys lack the maturity to defend themselves. My girl friend, who was a supper smart professional, said her son would not have to deal with that had she stayed in Eastern Europe. A few years ago I listened to an National Public Radio interview with a woman, a sociologist with a teenage daughter. She wrote a book about this problem and complained as a mother she wanted her daughter to have better prospects for a potential spouse than the timid adolescents boys her daughter went to school with. She thought society was making a terrible mistake making concerted efforts to undermine the emotional development of boys. Of course I'm sure all the lesbian feminists who read ISG are laughing at us for writing the posts. Haha!And if the boys start to act like boys they are punished (by overwhelmingly female teaching staffs) or medicated. Suspended for pointing a finger at a friend and saying "Bang." Sexual harassment charges filed by a first grade teacher who was hugged by one of her students. Don't forget the pop-tart incident.
Meanwhile, the girls are encouraged to be masculine, to literally "be one of the guys." TV shows and movies now are chock-full of petite females beating the shit out of burly men. Fathers and husbands are portrayed as permanently adolescent dumbshits.
As you so correctly pointed out, the ironic part is that the end product, after the feminists have had their way, is a weak, narcissistic, promiscuous, unable to commit man that no woman wants for a mate. Of course, to be fair, nobody wants an ill-tempered feminist termagant, looking to take your kids and house, as a wife. Way to go, Gloria.
Paul Kausch
03-25-14, 09:51
In my experience Bangkok can be as cheap or expensive as you make it out to be.Like you I prefer to stay in a nicer hotel. For under US$125 one can find excellent hotels in great locations. I always book one of the cheapest rooms and almost always get an upgrade to a deluxe room. I love bargain luxury. I get my food at the sidewalk stalls and hole-in-the-wall open air joints with a table of food in the front and plastic tables and chairs in the back. I think I eat well and spend very little. Where I am really able to save a lot money and time wasted due to poor judgement is by limiting my drinking. I go to Bangkok to fuck, and though I can be drunk as hell and still get it up thanks to the Cialis, I prefer being fully conscious when I bang a young wench. Also, because I'm such an old fart, when I drink too much I'm useless the next day. I saw plenty of nice looking FLs during my December stay. They were in the bars, on the sidewalks and especially in Climax Club. Didn't see and didn't expect to see any nines; saw at least a few eights and lots of sevens. I also had good luck with MP girls on outcall. Aor ended up costing me as much as a good escort, but that is because she was the wildest fuck I had in a long time and my tip reflected that. Bo and Cheer were 1000 each to Bamboo for 9pm to the next morning. Of course I tipped on top of that, but that was at my discretion so I was free to give them exactly what I thought was fair. I think I gave them about 3000 to 4000 each and they were very happy; and twelve hours with two horny young ladies sure made me very happy. I still can't get over what a nympho Cheer is. Even when after I add in the cost of a few escorts which I booked for anywhere from four to ten hours, I was able to consume plenty of pussy without going over my budget.
Western787
03-25-14, 10:35
In my experience Bangkok can be as cheap or expensive as you make it out to be. I like to stay in fine hotels as I firmly believe your environment plays a impact on how you feel throughout your trip. If I had had a rough day, I won't feel much better dragging myself to a 3 star filled with low class FL's and sleazy tuk-tuk drivers. I had had some very expensive nights but mostly it wasn't for the sex itself but everything else. Clubbing, drinks, etc. For some reason this really tends to add up in Bangkok. If you just stick to the sex then you are getting a great deal compared to many other mongering destinations.
I have taken girls overnight at 3-5K from Gogo's and ended up spending 10K just on the night out. Dinner, Bottle Service, Cab Rides, Wine etc, etc. By the time we get back to the room I am so inebriated that I can't even perform to my best that even the money for the sex seems wasted. I have never tried the FL scene, normally sticking to Gogos and Escort Services but I think my next trip should be focused here. If the girl is already at the venue, I won't worry about serenading her much and just take her back to the hotel after a few drinks. Escorts can also get very pricey for a night out intown, especially with their rate added to the mix and bar girls tabs can also really add up so I am defo leaning the FL venue next trip. I also get to pick and choose and mingle not worrying about time or bar fines. I have seen some very attractive FL's in front of the Sofitel Hotel on Suk and I am sure I can pull them LT for less than these escorts and Bar Girls
These extra's have really burned a hole in me during some of my trips. Things that you don't consider but add up and the up-sell on the sex becomes that much more and its not worth the price at the day. That being said. 5 star hotels and their service for the price cannot be beat anywhere else in the world and perhaps the seafood.Sounds like Nana Hotel would be an excellent option. Its actually a fairly decent hotel overall, far better than many in here seem to admit. While the baths are sort of 1970's, they are nicely kept and everything else is pretty good. FL's in the parking lot average 1500 bahts and will often offer repeat for 1000 once they know you're a gentlemen. Add to this 10 to 12 major pool bars on Soi 4 with 100's girls available all day just in those venues, and its hard to beat the setup. And of course at night, Go Go girls actually like the hotel given its safety and close proximity and so forth, and actually seem to prefer it over the shortterm rooms. Except perhaps for Hi-So party girl semi-pros, high end hotels really don't impress Thai working girls that much anyways. Note even in the pool bars on Soi 4, if one checks the inventory at various times of the day, one can and will find some stunners.
Where I am really able to save a lot money and time wasted due to poor judgement is by limiting my drinking.Right on point Paul. Its not just the money spent on drinking too much, but also the poor judgement that leads to spending more without thinking. I am flying dry on my next trip.
and if the boys start to act like boys they are punished (by overwhelmingly female teaching staffs) or medicated. suspended for pointing a finger at a friend and saying "bang." sexual harassment charges filed by a first grade teacher who was hugged by one of her students. don't forget the pop-tart incident.
meanwhile, the girls are encouraged to be masculine, to literally "be one of the guys." tv shows and movies now are chock-full of petite females beating the shit out of burly men. fathers and husbands are portrayed as permanently adolescent dumbshits.
as you so correctly pointed out, the ironic part is that the end product, after the feminists have had their way, is a weak, narcissistic, promiscuous, unable to commit man that no woman wants for a mate. of course, to be fair, nobody wants an ill-tempered feminist termagant, looking to take your kids and house, as a wife. way to go, gloria.i have begun to notice that american "men" who haven't been emasculated since school, those who grew up with a strong father figure and generally don't make excuses for being a man tend to go a complete 180 after marriage. on a subconscious level, especially in the usa after marriage, the woman always thinks to herself "got him!" they are systematically trained by their female peer group that this is the beginning of emasculation for a grown man. after a few years into the marriage you find the man is a complete tool in front of the wife. she dictates everything from his clothing, to the household decisions as well as the kids well being. this is turn will affect the kids, especially if they are young boys. they will get bullied, harassed and even victimized in school and not have the gall to stand up for what they believe in and whats right because the man in their lives is just as bad. these kids then grow up to have a very distorted idea about themselves and it leads to severe mental and social issues.
i love what you said about tv and movies. teeny ass girls beating the shit out of burly men who seem helpless and defenseless. yet there will be an outcry if the woman is given the same treatment no matter how much you prove is a fictitious controlled environment. the movie may be banned, the director vilified. and god knows what else.
case in point. who makes the largest outcry about sex workers and mongering? feminists. as much as they hate to admit it, most girls are in the industry by choice and make a good living much more so than most feminists who are just jealous of the freedom and choice their lifestyle affords. they claim to blame us mongers for perpetuating the industry, but in reality its the girls themselves that they truly hate because it invalidates all their feminist claims.
Case in point. Who makes the largest outcry about sex workers and mongering? Feminists.And fat unattractive women.
As far as mongering and so forth trend is downhill for sure, but Bangkok still has a long way to go to reach bottom.
Bangkok in terms of intensity and the overall vibe matches up as a world class city, more comparable to NYC than the Dallas Ft Worth Metroplex area. Unless its downtown, newer one bedrooms go below 20k, studios in first rate buildings down to 12k plus most have incredible swimming pools nearly non existent in places like NYC. In fact 8 miles from downtown presentable apartments can be found for approx 5k, and while not fancy, and lacking pools, or next door to the MRT, it will generally be adequate. You can't even find (self) storage boxes in many western cities at those rates. In NYC a one bedroom would typically be around 100k in anyplace with even a minimum amount of safety, and nearly always an old building. As for western food, perhaps you're talking about buying imported steaks at Foodlander or Villa Market, because prepared western food can be far cheaper than the USA in many of the chain restaurants in places like Terminal 21 or elsewhere, and in fact offer better fares than the same restaurants offer back in the states. Now as far as mongering. Let me use Skogis style as an example to prove the point, really the somewhat upper fringes of P4P, basically Hi So / semi pro / FL club hopping / mongering. Perhaps he can comment, but I doubt he could pull that kind of action in NYC or London or other major western cities for 5 times what he is paying in Bangkok. Nor do I think he would get comparable quality EVEN if it were available and was willing to pay 5 times more. Now while the Global Nanpa guy has disappeared, he too was directing most of his efforts in Bangkok and nearby countries. Precisely because he deemed Bangkok a bargain at the higher end also. As far as normal mongering, there is no comparison in the USA at all in terms of extended shortterm or long terms, or the sheer number of semi pros in this market, or anything remotely like the soapie palaces of Ratchada, oil massage parlors, regular bars, Go Go's, or even street girls, unless one considers crack hoes working NYC as comparable to FL's hanging at Nana parking lot, Beer Garden or elsewhere around the city. The market in most western cities, especially the USA just doesn't exist in comparable form. Just the visuals in Bangkok are quite extraordinary, with beautiful women seemingly everywhere, very different than the states and many other western cities.You can't compare it to NYC because salaries are not near what they are in NYC. One of the biggest issues with BKK is the disparity between cost of living and salaries. When you start comparing what the average person makes in NYC to what the average person makes here, the cost in BKK is even more out of whack.
I think quality Western food is far more expensive here. I really don't eat at chain restaurants here or in the. I find most of them at best just so-so.
I can get a pretty good steak in the US at a restaurant for less than 20 bucks. Here one can hardly get a good steak for 600 baht.
Again, with working girls you have to look at what the average person makes in that city. If you are making six figures plus in NYC, you can afford to pay for a hooker there.
I agree with you 100% about the visuals. Bangkok is the best place in the world to gaze at beautiful women. Sadly so many are out of reach these days.
Sounds like Nana Hotel would be an excellent option. Its actually a fairly decent hotel overall, far better than many in here seem to admit. While the baths are sort of 1970's, they are nicely kept and everything else is pretty good. FL's in the parking lot average 1500 bahts and will often offer repeat for 1000 once they know you're a gentlemen. Add to this 10 to 12 major pool bars on Soi 4 with 100's girls available all day just in those venues, and its hard to beat the setup. And of course at night, Go Go girls actually like the hotel given its safety and close proximity and so forth, and actually seem to prefer it over the shortterm rooms. Except perhaps for Hi-So party girl semi-pros, high end hotels really don't impress Thai working girls that much anyways. Note even in the pool bars on Soi 4, if one checks the inventory at various times of the day, one can and will find some stunners.I prefer the Majestic Grande tucked away at the corner right across from Annies. I have stayed at a couple of 5 star hotels which don't even match up to this little gem. Ala JW Mariott.
To name just one.
The location is perfect and private and most girls love the hotel and I noticed some of the girls I picked from the Nana Area seems to chit.chat with the door staff which suggested to me they know each other. Many girls also comment on their breakfast service so its a good place to entice a LT as it seems like a place they enjoying going to and being at.
This is my go to place in BKK when mongering. Unless I feel like splurging on a true luxury hotel experience. But mongering in such venues is not as "free"
Again, with working girls you have to look at what the average person makes in that city. If you are making six figures plus in NYC, you can afford to pay for a hooker there.
I agree with you 100% about the visuals. Bangkok is the best place in the world to gaze at beautiful women. Sadly so many are out of reach these days.Clearly you've never seen the girls of Singapore.
If I'm a retired guy making 6 figs, BKK is several hundred percent better value than NYC. There's no comparison. They're miles apart. There's also matters like the climate, feminism, the fat plague & prostitution law.
Western787
03-25-14, 18:46
You can't compare it to NYC because salaries are not near what they are in NYC. One of the biggest issues with BKK is the disparity between cost of living and salaries. When you start comparing what the average person makes in NYC to what the average person makes here, the cost in BKK is even more out of whack.
I think quality Western food is far more expensive here. I really don't eat at chain restaurants here or in the. I find most of them at best just so-so.
I can get a pretty good steak in the US at a restaurant for less than 20 bucks. Here one can hardly get a good steak for 600 baht.
Again, with working girls you have to look at what the average person makes in that city. If you are making six figures plus in NYC, you can afford to pay for a hooker there.
I agree with you 100% about the visuals. Bangkok is the best place in the world to gaze at beautiful women. Sadly so many are out of reach these days.LOL, after taxes and living expenses $100, 000 / yr NYC today? One is living near poverty, and that's w / o a car. Hookers? You mean like crack hoes?
As for the visuals, while she is not going to precisely look like the drop dead stunner you saw working the desk at Terminal 21 or the Hi So 10 you spotted in Siam, the fact is that anyone knowing Bangkok, whether high-frequency visitor or resident can come up with a P4P beauty to sleep with pretty much any night of the week. Now, it might only be once a week depending upon ones resources and so forth, but its doable. That's not routinely the case in either NYC or other major western cities for average males over 45. Despite the ongoing decade long decline in the P4P scene in Bangkok, that difference still exists vs western cities. So in Bangkok, the visuals pretty much become the reality. Yes, when moving about in Bangkok one sees no-touch fantasy level (non-P4P or mistress level) beauties all day long, but every time you see one you know damn well, if you so desire, you will soon be sleeping with one almost as beautiful.
Western787
03-25-14, 19:33
I prefer the Majestic Grande tucked away at the corner right across from Annies. I have stayed at a couple of 5 star hotels which don't even match up to this little gem. Ala JW Mariott.
To name just one.
The location is perfect and private and most girls love the hotel and I noticed some of the girls I picked from the Nana Area seems to chit. Chat with the door staff which suggested to me they know each other. Many girls also comment on their breakfast service so its a good place to entice a LT as it seems like a place they enjoying going to and being at.
This is my go to place in BKK when mongering. Unless I feel like splurging on a true luxury hotel experience. But mongering in such venues is not as "free"OK, you know the deal around Nana pretty well it seems. Yes, in regard to possibly enticing an LT, Majestic Grand would generally have an advantage over Nana Hotel. Probably the same into converting a ST into and extended ST or LT. I guess that's a factor one must consider when spending the extra 600 or so bahts over Nana Hotel.
Lord Necros
03-25-14, 20:41
Hi guys.
I am planning to be in Bangkok for half a week. In some of the older reports I have heard of men who contracted "girl friends" or LT girls for a few days. These girls would guide them, maybe cook for them, provide service and in general show them around.
What is the generally accepted price for such LT services? Also, any recommendations?
Western787
03-26-14, 01:57
Hi guys.
I am planning to be in Bangkok for half a week. In some of the older reports I have heard of men who contracted "girl friends" or LT girls for a few days. These girls would guide them, maybe cook for them, provide service and in general show them around.
What is the generally accepted price for such LT services? Also, any recommendations?Unattractive bar girl (3k to 4k per day) with bar taking 1 to 1. 5 k of that for barfine. Cook and do laundry.
Avg Issan bar girl (4 to 5k a day) cook only, fast food meals Ok, but you pay everything.
Cute bar girl (8k to 15k per day) cook rice and Thai dish only, but only at night.
Avg Go Go Girl (8k to 12k / day) microwave warmup, but no laundry, Tuk Tuk Ok.
Cute Go Go Girl (10 to 18k per day) no cooking, make you cook for her, Skytrain OK, but no Tuk Tuk.
Go Go Stunner (20 to 30k / day) no cooking, eat out all the time. 4 star hotel min
Go Go Superstar (one week min, 250k flat charge for entire week) 5 star hotel min.
G club girl 15k to 20k / day 5 star hotel min, cab Ok, only nice restaurants like " Took Lae Dee" at Foodlander or better
Escort agency girls 12 to 35k / day. 4 star min, fly coach to other asian destinations OK, Tuk Tuk Ok if girl approves.
G Club stunner 20 to 40k per day. 5 star hotel min, limosine service only, no Tuk Tuk, regular cabs only when limo service not available
(off market) model agency girls (50 to 100k / day) 5 star hotel only, only eat at top restaurants, travel other asian destinations only first class or private jet, shop at Siam once a week 50k budget, gaming allowance 25k/day if in Macau
Terminal 21 "special girls" (talk to doorman guy in white uniform about "nice weather", then salute him (in that order) and if he salutes back, he knows what you want) 100k/day flat rate, no other charges, Skytrain OK, but no subway unless journey begin at Terminal 21 Sukhumvit stop.
LOL, after taxes and living expenses $100, 000 / yr NYC today? One is living near poverty, and that's w / o a car. Hookers? You mean like crack hoes?
As for the visuals, while she is not going to precisely look like the drop dead stunner you saw working the desk at Terminal 21 or the Hi So 10 you spotted in Siam, the fact is that anyone knowing Bangkok, whether high-frequency visitor or resident can come up with a P4P beauty to sleep with pretty much any night of the week. Now, it might only be once a week depending upon ones resources and so forth, but its doable. That's not routinely the case in either NYC or other major western cities for average males over 45. Despite the ongoing decade long decline in the P4P scene in Bangkok, that difference still exists vs western cities. So in Bangkok, the visuals pretty much become the reality. Yes, when moving about in Bangkok one sees no-touch fantasy level (non-P4P or mistress level) beauties all day long, but every time you see one you know damn well, if you so desire, you will soon be sleeping with one almost as beautiful.The differences are why I live her for sure, but I would not say "you would be sleeping with one almost as beautiful." It is a very rare occasion I see a P4P gal at any venue as good looking as the gals that I see shopping in malls or eating and drinking in places along Thong Lor with their rich metrosexual Thai dudes. I am really not attracted to the Isaan look at all. High cheek bones and square jaw lines just don't do it for me and haven't for a long time. What attracts me? Easiest to say is the Thai TV stars. Girls are amazing. It is really interesting how one's taste change.
A friend's GF once remarked,"When farang first come to Thailand, their eyes don't work." I think that is true for most of us. It has been for me.
Frustrating thing is most of those gals are very much like Western women. They want dudes their age with money. That is true of BKK, NYC, or where ever. If one is loaded, one gets great looking girls.
But, there is always an oily when one gets really worked up.
Clearly you've never seen the girls of Singapore.
If I'm a retired guy making 6 figs, BKK is several hundred percent better value than NYC. There's no comparison. They're miles apart. There's also matters like the climate, feminism, the fat plague & prostitution law.True! Sing has some great looking gals. But some interesting attitudes. Prostitution is illegal in Thailand, and at some point that will be enforced. The climate in Thailand is really pretty awful. Way too hot.
Wolvenvacht
03-26-14, 07:52
True! Sing has some great looking gals. But some interesting attitudes. Prostitution is illegal in Thailand, and at some point that will be enforced. The climate in Thailand is really pretty awful. Way too hot.Prostitution is not illegal in Thailand. Pimping is illegal; being a nuisance is illegal; exploiting a brothel is illegal.
Western787
03-26-14, 07:59
The differences are why I live her for sure, but I would not say "you would be sleeping with one almost as beautiful." It is a very rare occasion I see a P4P gal at any venue as good looking as the gals that I see shopping in malls or eating and drinking in places along Thong Lor with their rich metrosexual Thai dudes. I am really not attracted to the Isaan look at all. High cheek bones and square jaw lines just don't do it for me and haven't for a long time. What attracts me? Easiest to say is the Thai TV stars. Girls are amazing. It is really interesting how one's taste change.
A friend's GF once remarked,"When farang first come to Thailand, their eyes don't work." I think that is true for most of us. It has been for me.
Frustrating thing is most of those gals are very much like Western women. They want dudes their age with money. That is true of BKK, NYC, or where ever. If one is loaded, one gets great looking girls.
But, there is always an oily when one gets really worked up.As someone said "What you take for granted, others are praying for"
Farangs living in Bankgok can easily get spoiled. And obviously if one can pick out drop dead beauties in Siam or Terminal 21 or on the Skytrain or whereever. Then their eyes are still working.
As far as the typical Issan look, no its not optimal, and its no secret that most drop dead beauties in Bangkok tend to have some kind of Thai / Chinese mixture.
Lets assume for purposes of discussion that some of these drop dead beauties could literally be propositioned for P4P sessions, the actual women one might notice when going about one's business in Bangkok.
I guarantee you, next some of the long term Bangkok resident or high-frequency visitor types would be in here bitching: "didn't notice initially, but turns out her tits are fake, big turnoff" "poor performance," "mouth too small for good DFK","not experienced enough" ("wouldn't put her nose up my ass") 'refused to rim me" "wouldn't let me fuck her in the ass despite me generously lubing her up" "too shy" "got all clingy","no PSE at all," "after only an hour pumping her hard, said she was sore, obviously an attitude problem "starfish"."too tired for round 3" "wouldn't deep throat" "no swallow" "not so hot under different light"
Or as Aldous Huxley once said "most human beings have an almost infinite capacity for taking things for granted.”
Western787
03-26-14, 08:10
Prostitution is not illegal in Thailand. Pimping is illegal; being a nuisance is illegal; exploiting a brothel is illegal.Prostitution is in fact illegal in Thailand, but the law as written also includes clauses about the necessity of creating a public nuisance or other terms making the law somewhat ambiguous
True! Sing has some great looking gals. But some interesting attitudes.Yep, some absolute stunners in Singapore. I personally think Hong Kong has better looking girls than Sing, but only just. As for attitude, it's the 5 C's that Sing girls are after, Car, Condo, Cash and Credit Cards. A lot of girls won't go out with older foreigners either, they don't want to be seen as "that" type of girl.
Plenty of hookers from everywhere in Singapore for any budget, pity it's just so expensive to live there.
Western787
03-26-14, 09:04
Its OK now with plenty of hotties in Rainbow 4 and elsewhere in Bangkok, but eventually one will need a "game" to entice Bangkok P4P hotties. This will give you some idea what will eventually be required.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtshlipvyIc
I am really not attracted to the Isaan look at all. High cheek bones and square jaw lines just don't do it for me and haven't for a long time. What attracts me? Easiest to say is the Thai TV stars. Girls are amazing. It is really interesting how one's taste change.
Frustrating thing is most of those gals are very much like Western women. They want dudes their age with money. That is true of BKK, NYC, or where ever. If one is loaded, one gets great looking girls.The problem with most TV stars is that they look too close to western, with many mixed Thai-western girls. Mostly I don't like this, there are exceptions like old stars: Sonya, Marsha, Benz, Teya, etc. I generally like a real Thai look. So the majority of leading ladies are too western looking for me. Some of us want a more exotic look.
Big square faces do not attract me. Those are actually far more common in the north of Thailand, e. G. Chiang Mai, rather than Isaan. On the other hand some Chiang Rai girls are very good looking with smaller faces (and no square jaw). There are plenty of Isaan girls with no broad nose, no square jaw, and a non-broad face. I don't particularly go for round faced nor Chinese like looks generally either. When I look at Chinese tourists in Thailand, I would say 99% are very plain looking. Hard to find a pretty one. In the company I work for in Europe, the Asian girls are mostly very pretty. Not a representative selection at all. I suspect the hiring selection criteria is not just for brains.
Thais and Japanese are liking girls to look as western as possible and blinded by skin colour. I want them not to look western at all, natural, and skin colour can be light or dark, it doesn't matter.
The problem is beautiful girls, 9-10's, Thai or otherwise, is that they don't really need to try hard, at anything. They don't have to actively seek out a guy, nor want to please them (unless they are in love) as they know that guy is not their only option. They can pick and choose from the plethora of rich dudes available and most will be little puppy dogs waiting on hand and foot to these girls.
Now, there are beauties that are in the industry who are seasoned and provide all the services a guy may desire. Rimming, anal, BBBJ, etc, and they come at a price. These are professionals. For the non-pro hi-so girl out and about town there is no incentive at providing such services even though she is enticed by P4P to make some money. They deem that being with them, seeing them naked is reward enough.
Now its all about your environment. I have been very active in the NYC P4P scene and there are drop dead gorgeous girls who will do what you want, when you want it, if you have the deep pockets and can accomodate them at the Plaza Hotel. Just take a drive down to Jersey and you will find the same hot girls, who will do everything you want at a fraction of the price for longer at a Best Western Motel. Environment plays a factor. Thai culture is very judgmental and a lot of hi-so thai girls will not want to be seen with foreigners. Even though they may be P4P they mingle within their own circles. It comes with the territory.
I have a lot of Thai girl friends who used to work with me in NYC. Girls who dated black, white, asian, indian, latino, etc. When I meet them in Thailand they explain to me that no moderately successful Thai man would see her a GF / Wife potential if they have dated / slept around with other guys of other races and even though they have that freedom outside of Thailand, they are stuck in the cultural warp that so controls their life in their countries.
So these hotties all over Bangkok will be fair game and a easy lay if they were plucked out of that environment. I don't think we should read it as an commentary on how they view foreigners. This is apparent in every country with deep cultural traditions that has dictated societal norms for centuries and more.
I would much rather get the sexual experience of my life then be stuck with a hi-so hottie who is a door-knob in bed. This is only good for impressing your friends, business partners and being the envy around town. It ain't going to matter much once they burn a hole in your pocket and you have nothing but unused condoms to show for it.
Lord Necros
03-26-14, 15:16
Unattractive bar girl (3k to 4k per day) with bar taking 1 to 1. 5 k of that for barfine. Cook and do laundry.
Avg Issan bar girl (4 to 5k a day) cook only, fast food meals Ok, but you pay everything.
Cute bar girl (8k to 15k per day) cook rice and Thai dish only, but only at night.
Avg Go Go Girl (8k to 12k / day) microwave warmup, but no laundry, Tuk Tuk Ok.
Cute Go Go Girl (10 to 18k per day) no cooking, make you cook for her, Skytrain OK, but no Tuk Tuk.
Go Go Stunner (20 to 30k / day) no cooking, eat out all the time. 4 star hotel min
Go Go Superstar (one week min. 250k flat charge for entire week) 5 star hotel min.
G club girl 15k to 20k / day 5 star hotel min, cab Ok, only nice restaurants like " Took Lae Dee" at Foodlander or better
Escort agency girls 12 to 35k / day. 4 star min, fly coach to other asian destinations OK, Tuk Tuk Ok if girl approves.
G Club stunner 20 to 40k per day. 5 star hotel min, limosine service only, no Tuk Tuk, regular cabs only when limo service not available
(off market) model agency girls (50 to 100k / day) 5 star hotel only, only eat at top restaurants, travel other asian destinations only first class or private jet, shop at Siam once a week 50k budget, gaming allowance 25k / day if in Macau.
Terminal 21 "special girls" (talk to doorman guy in white uniform about "nice weather", then salute him (in that order) and if he salutes back, he knows what you want) 100k / day flat rate, no other charges, Skytrain OK, but no subway unless journey begin at Terminal 21 Sukhumvit stop.Thank you mate.
This was some damn good help.
This is so detailed that I am worried that you just pulled my leg. ^_^
Terminal 21 "special girls" (talk to doorman guy in white uniform about "nice weather", then salute him (in that order) and if he salutes back, he knows what you want) 100k/day flat rate, no other charges, Skytrain OK, but no subway unless journey begin at Terminal 21 Sukhumvit stop.Don't give away the secrets, man.
A friend's GF once remarked,"When farang first come to Thailand, their eyes don't work." I think that is true for most of us. It has been for me.
Frustrating thing is most of those gals are very much like Western women. They want dudes their age with money. That is true of BKK, NYC, or where ever. If one is loaded, one gets great looking girls.Yes, the eye part is very true. I still like a slightly "tanned" girl, probably because I'm so darn white. But the dark, heavily Isaan, look no longer does it for me, either. Chinese features with Thai eyes is a very, very nice look, IMHO.
Maybe the young girls are more like Western women, I'm not sure. That is a depressing thought. I don't really care for 18. 25 year olds because they are such twits. Nice looking, fun to joke around with, but twits nonetheless. I've found that an older guy can have a very nice GF much younger than one he'd be able to have in farangland. In my experience, girls from 10 to 15 years my junior had absolutely no qualms about hanging out with me. Try that in LA or NYC. But, much beyond 15 years and it's all P4P. There is nothing in common within granddaughter / grandfather relationships.
Now money, of course, changes the dynamic completely. It always has and always will. But, IMO, arm candy and trophy wives have far more in common with the bar girls of Patpong than middle class women.
Wolvenvacht
03-26-14, 20:17
Prostitution is in fact illegal in Thailand, but the law as written also includes clauses about the necessity of creating a public nuisance or other terms making the law somewhat ambiguousThat law is not at all ambiguous, at least not more than most of the laws in any country. Prostitution as such is not a crime in Thailand. It is actually not much different than similar laws in most of civilized countries.
Western787
03-26-14, 20:21
What attracts me? Easiest to say is the Thai TV stars. Girls are amazing. It is really interesting how one's taste change.In regard to the premise that "Farangs who actually move to Bangkok often tend to get spoiled in regard to women". I submit the above statement as relevant evidence in support of that contention.
Western787
03-26-14, 20:23
Anyone that has a sweet tooth and lives in a candy store (even a candy store not as good as it used to be) and says they are not getting spoiled, is not dealing with reality.
Crocodilexp
03-26-14, 21:37
Unattractive bar girl (3k to 4k per day) with bar taking 1 to 1. 5 k of that for barfine. Cook and do laundry.
Terminal 21 "special girls" (talk to doorman guy in white uniform about "nice weather", then salute him (in that order) and if he salutes back, he knows what you want) 100k / day flat rate, no other charges, Skytrain OK, but no subway unless journey begin at Terminal 21 Sukhumvit stop.WTF? Where do you find all those prices?
Bottom end, if you will, are women in Thai-oriented areas like Khlong Lot and Yaowarat, going ST for 300-600 baht (some look OK but service is poor). If anybody's paying 3k per day for a fugly bargirl, they're being taken for a ride.
As fro the 100k / day girls at Terminal 21, I call bullshit. That's a *yearly* salary for most Thais. I'm sure you'll have no trouble finding a girl who'll take your 100k and a pimp who will procure, but doubt there's any sort of organized market in that price range (with easy access for a rich Farang tourist).
Member #4387
03-26-14, 23:06
Anyone that has a sweet tooth and lives in a candy store (even a candy store not as good as it used to be) and says they are not getting spoiled, is not dealing with reality.Yes it is and it is a big candystore in almost all aspects (regular girls middle class to hi so and the girls frequents the FL scene). It was a nice store 8 years back but is better today from my observations. A few guys here write as it is all black and white. I find the lines to be infact very blurred. I would like to droddle through some of the latest posts in general.
Some state that a hi so thai girl from traditions / culture never can be seen with a fairly successful Thai man. Well, the girls I frequent in this level (hi so) would not have a Thai man whatsoever as they find them as unfaithful and the worst kind of men there is. Some despite the old Thai culture and traditions holding Thailand back as a country as they don't see any modernism to it as well. They come from families where maby their parent generation are more traditionaly directed but over the years their children (aka, lets call them "my girls") have become more and more internationalized, studied abroad, travelled abroad, building themself a net of contacts globaly but still choose to live and work in Bangkok (commercialy or private) or atleast work out from BKK. First I believe there probably are a proper definition of what is a "hi so" girl (I promise I did not bother to google it). To some maby it is just upper middle class, hehe. I remember I read somewhere not long ago that someone viewed FL place Thermae as a Hi So place, hehe. To me a hi so girl is well educated, well connected to the upper parts of a city or community. This will often be moviestars, famous musicians, models, CDO`s, politicians etc. She has her own money (atleast 100K per month) , car, house and probably are from some sort of rich background (don't have to be royal or part of the families owning Chang, Red Bull or Shinga) and she frequent typical hi so places (and they are far from Thermae both in distance and quality). Probably a lot I forgot but this is how I view a hi so girl.
I meet these girls (not all at one time ofcourse) through friends I have in the fashionindustry and aviationindustry. These industries are known to throw quite some parties (fashionindustry in particular). Here it is very likely, if you are a nice decent guy (since I also frequent the FL scene quite a lot I know I am not but they don't know) , you will eventually meet some stunners. They are not reluctant showing themself out in the open with me (a foreign guy) , be it in Thong Lor bars or walking hand in hand at the Siam Paragorn (hand in hand not my favorite). Lets say these girls are pretty (atleast I think so and I have a fairly good taste and I like thaichineese or others of more paleskinned thai origin of some sort, I also like the girls from mixed thai / western background) and they know it.
Despite other posters here most of them are tigers in bed. So saying that a beautiful girl will not perform decent in bedactivies is not how I view it. If I could have them only by game I don't know as they are, like most attractive hi so girls globaly, of high maintainance costs (as in decent wine and dine, nice gifts and expensive trips). My MO I learned from my dad and he convinced me into believing "that beautiful girls are not so popular as we would like to think and many guys are infact afraid to even talk to them". It has worked out well for me and mostly I hit them up by telling them a silly joke (a Monthy Python one) as an icebreaker. Beeing a funny, friendly and a partyguy are all it takes.
These girls have busy careers and are, as far as I know, pretty happy living in their secured residencial areas by themself (aka as singles) in Bangkok and don't want to be a part of this "have to get married and have child soon" stucked up old habit from some earlier years. They are without exceptions citygirls, modern and vibrant, speaks english better or as good as any person not beeing borned / raised in a native englishspeaking country.
I don't mean to argue what earlier posters have posted as they probably write from how they view it. Beeing an expat in Thailand for many years will give you your story. The story will depend a great deal on what kind of people you hang out with and what kind of environment you are beeing a part of. I am a frequent BKK visitor myself (100+ times in approx 8 years) and my story are different. And even if I am not (and never will be) a resident of Thailand I have a pretty good feel of the vibe going on (atleast the latest 8 years). I pretty much exclude FL girls writing this post, hell they can even have the Isaan look without me pulling back, but I have had a decent good fleet of pretty and well educated girls over the years and they have told me about their lifes and how they view BKK of today. Ofcourse I have absorbed some of this and mixed it into my own observations to look for mismatch.
My 4 girls who I have contact with today are from 22 to 31 years. I am 41. Yes they would probably want some on their own age (atleast the two youngest ones) but as long as I am good enough and like to meet me on a very unregular basis I am happy. By beeing nice I even had other regulars recommended me to some of th friends as themself ran into more serious relationships with western guys ofcourse. In all fairness I will never be able to give them a true relationship after all as I am allready taken (poor GF back home).
Only my 5 cents into the debate.
In regard to the premise that "Farangs who actually move to Bangkok often tend to get spoiled in regard to women". I submit the above statement as relevant evidence in support of that contention.Absolutely. And I would say that is completely normal. Bangkok allows a person to hone in on what his taste is. Well, I would say it did. Those of you who were not here 15 years ago cannot really imagine the number of working girls available and the variety of looks, sizes, etc. Did it "spoil" us? Hell yes it did. Spoiled us for looks, attitudes, prices, etc. That is really the point isn't it? That BKK P4P is a far cry from what it was? You have reinforced my point.
I am 41.I am 49. There is a real difference in gal's perception of a dude who is in his early 40s as opposed to a dude who is pushing 50.
They come from families where maby their parent generation are more traditionaly directed but over the years their children (aka, lets call them "my girls") have become more and more internationalized, studied abroad, travelled abroad, building themself a net of contacts globaly but still choose to live and work in Bangkok (commercialy or private) or atleast work out from BKK. First I believe there probably are a proper definition of what is a "hi so" girl (I promise I did not bother to google it).I will agree with you that gals who went to Intl school or were educated abroad are far more likely to be willing to date a farang. I have many friends in the music scene who date these types of girls. Most are middle to upper middle class chicks. Of course most of these gals have Western expectations when it comes to their mates and can be just as demanding, pouty, and bitchy as Western women. Upside is they don't have parasitic families.
Yes, the eye part is very true. I still like a slightly "tanned" girl, probably because I'm so darn white. But the dark, heavily Isaan, look no longer does it for me, either. Chinese features with Thai eyes is a very, very nice look, IMHO.
Maybe the young girls are more like Western women, I'm not sure. That is a depressing thought. I don't really care for 18. 25 year olds because they are such twits. Nice looking, fun to joke around with, but twits nonetheless. I've found that an older guy can have a very nice GF much younger than one he'd be able to have in farangland. In my experience, girls from 10 to 15 years my junior had absolutely no qualms about hanging out with me. Try that in LA or NYC. But, much beyond 15 years and it's all P4P. There is nothing in common within granddaughter / grandfather relationships.
Now money, of course, changes the dynamic completely. It always has and always will. But, IMO, arm candy and trophy wives have far more in common with the bar girls of Patpong than middle class women.I too have no interest in 18-25 yr olds, for the most part late 20s is about as young as I would go for P4P or to date. I see no difference between trophy wives and bar girls. Personally I look for very different qualities in a GF then I do in a P4P gal. They are totally different wants and needs. Asian men have this sorted quite well. The ability to compartmentalize is one thing I have learned living in Asia.
The problem is beautiful girls. 9-10's, Thai or otherwise, is that they don't really need to try hard, at anything. They don't have to actively seek out a guy, nor want to please them (unless they are in love) as they know that guy is not their only option. They can pick and choose from the plethora of rich dudes available and most will be little puppy dogs waiting on hand and foot to these girls.
Now, there are beauties that are in the industry who are seasoned and provide all the services a guy may desire. Rimming, anal, BBBJ, etc, and they come at a price. These are professionals. For the non-pro hi-so girl out and about town there is no incentive at providing such services even though she is enticed by P4P to make some money. They deem that being with them, seeing them naked is reward enough.
Now its all about your environment. I have been very active in the NYC P4P scene and there are drop dead gorgeous girls who will do what you want, when you want it, if you have the deep pockets and can accomodate them at the Plaza Hotel. Just take a drive down to Jersey and you will find the same hot girls, who will do everything you want at a fraction of the price for longer at a Best Western Motel. Environment plays a factor. Thai culture is very judgmental and a lot of hi-so thai girls will not want to be seen with foreigners. Even though they may be P4P they mingle within their own circles. It comes with the territory.
I have a lot of Thai girl friends who used to work with me in NYC. Girls who dated black, white, asian, indian, latino, etc. When I meet them in Thailand they explain to me that no moderately successful Thai man would see her a GF / Wife potential if they have dated / slept around with other guys of other races and even though they have that freedom outside of Thailand, they are stuck in the cultural warp that so controls their life in their countries.
So these hotties all over Bangkok will be fair game and a easy lay if they were plucked out of that environment. I don't think we should read it as an commentary on how they view foreigners. This is apparent in every country with deep cultural traditions that has dictated societal norms for centuries and more.
I would much rather get the sexual experience of my life then be stuck with a hi-so hottie who is a door-knob in bed. This is only good for impressing your friends, business partners and being the envy around town. It ain't going to matter much once they burn a hole in your pocket and you have nothing but unused condoms to show for it.If you marry a hi-so girl, it does not really matter if she is a door knob in bed. You can be discreet, go out, and play. If she is really a hi-so gal chances are she will look ok, but not really be a hottie. Most of the real hi-so folks here look at little in-bred anyway. But, she (her family) will have money and influence and your existence will be easy. I have two friends married to very well off hi-so women, and they live the life of Riley. Yes, you will be expected to produce offspring, and you will have to attend family functions, but so what? You can also have your own fun provided you are discreet. Have a problem? Can usually be solved with one phone call. Interesting that both these dudes met their gals in the states and not here. As one of them said to me,"Might as well be with a girl who can do something for you." I agree 100.
Western787
03-27-14, 03:15
You're preaching to the choir to some extent on the trend issue, because I agree with your central premise, as there is no doubt the P4P situation in Bangkok 12 to 15 years back was far better than today, which was Stickman's basic point and has been affirmed by dozens of other commentators in here. In fact, this site itself has archived records of posts going back to year 2002 and reviewing the Bangkok posts around that time is consistent with that same premise.. There was obviously some kind of "golden era" of sorts occurring in the P4P scene in Bangkok back at that time, perhaps a confluence of factors coming together at the same time - a decent (though not as good as today) infrastructure in combination with Bangkok just entering the age of affluence and prosperity along with the global economy and all its side effects not yet quite the factor that it is today.
The problem with most TV stars is that they look too close to western, with many mixed Thai-western girls. Mostly I don't like this, there are exceptions like old stars: Sonya, Marsha, Benz, Teya, etc. I generally like a real Thai look. So the majority of leading ladies are too western looking for me. Some of us want a more exotic look.
Big square faces do not attract me. Those are actually far more common in the north of Thailand, e. G. Chiang Mai, rather than Isaan. On the other hand some Chiang Rai girls are very good looking with smaller faces (and no square jaw). There are plenty of Isaan girls with no broad nose, no square jaw, and a non-broad face. I don't particularly go for round faced nor Chinese like looks generally either. When I look at Chinese tourists in Thailand, I would say 99% are very plain looking. Hard to find a pretty one. In the company I work for in Europe, the Asian girls are mostly very pretty. Not a representative selection at all. I suspect the hiring selection criteria is not just for brains.
Thais and Japanese are liking girls to look as western as possible and blinded by skin colour. I want them not to look western at all, natural, and skin colour can be light or dark, it doesn't matter.I loved the mixed look. Best of both worlds. Used to like them more exotic though.
Here is the way I see Asian women. The really beautiful North Asians, Koreans, Japanese, and Chinese, are the best looking women on the planet. We have a lot of North Asians staying in hotels on my soi and sometimes I see a gal that just stops me mid-step. Tall, lily white skin, perfect hour glass figure, statuesque, etc. There are very few that fit into this category and the rest of their sisters are not all that great whereas the average Thai gal is pretty nice to look at making BKK a fantastic place to gaze at women.
You're preaching to the choir to some extent, because I agree with your central premise, as there is no doubt the P4P situation in Bangkok 12 to 15 years back was far better than today. Which was Stickman's basic point and has been affirmed by dozens of other commentators in here. In fact, this site itself has archived records of posts going back to year 2002 and reviewing the Bangkok posts proves the same point. There was obviously a "golden era" of some type in this city.Lasted quite a long time. Basically from the war days till recently. Real reason for the change? Economic development and more opportunity for women, which is not a bad thing. Women here have it better than they did 10 years ago and this trend will continue. Given the choice most women don't want to be P4P gals. I think we all know that. Now they can make enough elsewhere.
But as Skogis points out, there are plenty of non-P4P gals out there who are looking for some fun. Thai women are going through their sexual revolution and part of this is due to new found economic freedom. Young folks are out there hooking up without the Western guilt that Christianity places on many folks in the West. There are some gals for us middle aged dudes as well. Plenty of 30 something Thai women who want to have some fun, but you have to get out to Thong Lor, etc and mingle.
Bangkok is still preferable to the US, in almost every way. Two noted exceptions being craft beer and music.
If you marry a hi-so girl, it does not really matter if she is a door knob in bed. You can be discreet, go out, and play. If she is really a hi-so gal chances are she will look ok, but not really be a hottie. Most of the real hi-so folks here look at little in-bred anyway. But, she (her family) will have money and influence and your existence will be easy. I have two friends married to very well off hi-so women, and they live the life of Riley. Yes, you will be expected to produce offspring, and you will have to attend family functions, but so what? You can also have your own fun provided you are discreet. Have a problem? Can usually be solved with one phone call. Interesting that both these dudes met their gals in the states and not here. As one of them said to me,"Might as well be with a girl who can do something for you." I agree 100.This is all well and good if you are looking for a hi-so girl to get married to. The general consensus going around is that hi-so girls are prettier and better looking that your average P4P girl and thus mostly unavailable if you are in the standard P4P circles. In my case, I am only looking for sex with hot girls. Not a GF, nor to settle down. I have not been active in the FL scene in Bangkok as I mostly stick to escorts and bar girls but I have seen some very attractive girls in the clubs. Some may be FL's, some Hi-So and some both. Hi-So is just a label to segregate a group and make themselves feel socially superior, but for me as long as she is moderately hot and gives a great fuck I couldn't care less what they want to call themselves, whether they come free or P4P.
Thank you mate.
This was some damn good help.
This is so detailed that I am worried that you just pulled my leg. _He is pulling everyones leggs! You really believe that doorman has access to hooker Elites. LOL.
Terminal 21 info girls as stunners? Some look ok some look better than ok.
Paul Kausch
03-27-14, 04:31
you young lads with all this stuff about girl friends, marrying hiso ladies and other such nonsense. life is so much easier when you reach my age. a forty year old looks young to me. a twenty year isn't too young, she's an opportunity to live out a [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) fantasy. i can appreciate the really pretty ladies. i can appreciate the really young and just a little pretty ladies. i'm just happy to be fucking girls one-half to one-third my age. the last thing i want is a wife or a girl friend. too damn much trouble! shit, standing in line buying groceries for two would [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off. i'd get mad thinking about all the money i'm wasting feeding her that i could otherwise use to buy pussy.
ervin drake got it.
but now the days grow short.
i'm in the autumn of the year.
and now i think of my life as vintage wine.
from fine old kegs.
from the brim to the dregs.
it poured sweet and clear.
it was a very good year
;)
Sparky8888
03-27-14, 05:04
you young lads with all this stuff about girl friends, marrying hiso ladies and other such nonsense. life is so much easier when you reach my age. a forty year old looks young to me. a twenty year isn't too young, she's an opportunity to live out a [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) fantasy. i can appreciate the really pretty ladies. i can appreciate the really young and just a little pretty ladies. i'm just happy to be fucking girls one-half to one-third my age. the last thing i want is a wife or a girl friend. too damn much trouble! shit, standing in line buying groceries for two would [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off. i'd get mad thinking about all the money i'm wasting feeding her that i could otherwise use to buy pussy.
ervin drake got it.
but now the days grow short.
i'm in the autumn of the year.
and now i think of my life as vintage wine.
from fine old kegs.
from the brim to the dregs.
it poured sweet and clear.
it was a very good year.i preferred to be called an old fuck than an old fart, as what george carlin has once said.
i have to agree with you that while i am pushing 50, i am just happy to fuck a lady half of my age.
you young lads with all this stuff about girl friends, marrying hiso ladies and other such nonsense. life is so much easier when you reach my age. a forty year old looks young to me. a twenty year isn't too young, she's an opportunity to live out a [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) fantasy. i can appreciate the really pretty ladies. i can appreciate the really young and just a little pretty ladies. i'm just happy to be fucking girls one-half to one-third my age. the last thing i want is a wife or a girl friend. too damn much trouble! shit, standing in line buying groceries for two would [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off. i'd get mad thinking about all the money i'm wasting feeding her that i could otherwise use to buy pussy.
ervin drake got it.
but now the days grow short.
i'm in the autumn of the year.
and now i think of my life as vintage wine.
from fine old kegs.
from the brim to the dregs.
it poured sweet and clear.
it was a very good year.got ya on all of that. as i get older my tolerance for a woman's bs grows less and less. i have many single friends in their 60s here that are very happy.
Paul Kausch
03-27-14, 06:00
I have many single friends in their 60s here that are very happy.When I was in my thirties I thought I was a grown man and such hot shit. When I was in my forties I looked back and laughed at what a fucking fool I was when I was a kid in my thirties. I was so smug and self-confident because now was mature and successful. When I was in my fifties I began to mellow and relish all the knowledge and experience I had gained from half a century of living. Now that I'm in my sixties I think it's all bull shit, I'm full of shit, you're full of shit so fuck it while I still can! :D
If you can hold on to your health, and keep enough money in the bank to be secure, growing old ain't so bad, at least until you start to get really old. Hell, I'll worry about that later. I'm too busy now having fun.
Western787
03-27-14, 06:19
When you're back home in London or New York or wherever and the usual ballbusters are stressing you out, just turn the bass up, turn the volume up, close your eyes, and imagine you're back in Bangkok surrounded by Rainbow 4 beauties.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPP8iKUWh4w
FreebieFan
03-27-14, 06:21
you young lads with all this stuff about girl friends, marrying hiso ladies and other such nonsense. life is so much easier when you reach my age. a forty year old looks young to me. a twenty year isn't too young, she's an opportunity to live out a [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) fantasy. i can appreciate the really pretty ladies. i can appreciate the really young and just a little pretty ladies. i'm just happy to be fucking girls one-half to one-third my age. the last thing i want is a wife or a girl friend. too damn much trouble! shit, standing in line buying groceries for two would [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off. i'd get mad thinking about all the money i'm wasting feeding her that i could otherwise use to buy pussy.
ervin drake got it.
but now the days grow short.
i'm in the autumn of the year.
and now i think of my life as vintage wine.
from fine old kegs.
from the brim to the dregs.
it poured sweet and clear.
it was a very good year.like like like.
or as oscar wilde said,"everyone who lives, dies, not not everyone who dies, has lived. get out there and smile and enjoy!
When I was in my thirties I thought I was a grown man and such hot shit. When I was in my forties I looked back and laughed at what a fucking fool I was when I was a kid in my thirties. I was so smug and self-confident because now was mature and successful. When I was in my fifties I began to mellow and relish all the knowledge and experience I had gained from half a century of living. Now that I'm in my sixties I think it's all bull shit, I'm full of shit, you're full of shit so fuck it while I still can! .
If you can hold on to your health, and keep enough money in the bank to be secure, growing old ain't so bad, at least until you start to get really old. Hell, I'll worry about that later. I'm too busy now having fun.Wow, I could not agree more, but I am probably older than you, being in my late 60s (still working throughout Asia and having tons of fun).
Bule2004
Paul Kausch
03-27-14, 06:46
Or as Oscar Wilde said,"Everyone who lives, dies, not not everyone who dies, has lived. Get out there and smile and enjoy!So true. I've fucked up plenty in my life. Given another chance I'd do many things differently, but I have few regrets; and my regrets are the things I didn't do.
Paul Kausch
03-27-14, 06:50
Wow, I could not agree more, but I am probably older than you, being in my late 60s (still working throughout Asia and having tons of fun).
Bule2004Yes, I'm still in my early sixties and looking forward to the future with great gusto!
That law is not at all ambiguous, at least not more than most of the laws in any country. Prostitution as such is not a crime in Thailand. It is actually not much different than similar laws in most of civilized countries.Agree completely. Much like many Western nation legislations.
Thankfully the Thais did not follow the US of A or Swedish type models.
LE sweeps on the street walker scene are for solicitation or public nuisance, not prostitution. And never target the propositioning johns with undercover LE, as in some other nations, but only the ladies & beautiful men. After all, hitting up the customers would be like shooting themselves in the foot or setting their own wallet full of 1000 baht notes on fire.
When I was in my thirties I thought I was a grown man and such hot shit. When I was in my forties I looked back and laughed at what a fucking fool I was when I was a kid in my thirties. I was so smug and self-confident because now was mature and successful. When I was in my fifties I began to mellow and relish all the knowledge and experience I had gained from half a century of living. Now that I'm in my sixties I think it's all bull shit, I'm full of shit, you're full of shit so fuck it while I still can! .
If you can hold on to your health, and keep enough money in the bank to be secure, growing old ain't so bad, at least until you start to get really old. Hell, I'll worry about that later. I'm too busy now having fun.My Dad is early 80s and still going strong!
A mid 2012 Stickman column said:
"Where in the Western world can you not find a quick naughty with a reasonably attractive lady for $100?"
Like a 15 minute session, perhaps? Or AMP? Or crack addict? Is BB on the menu like it is so often in LOS? Very unlikely & inadvisable with a IDU. Even a BBBJ is far less of a possibility, to say nothing of DATO, BLS, etc.
Sorry, Stick, but the hobby in the Western world has way less value & comes with beautiful things like feminism, ice & snow, criminal prosecution of johns, & a large percentage of ladies on the glazed donut diet.
WTF? Where do you find all those prices?
Bottom end, if you will, are women in Thai-oriented areas like Khlong Lot and Yaowarat, going ST for 300-600 baht (some look OK but service is poor). If anybody's paying 3k per day for a fugly bargirl, they're being taken for a ride.
As fro the 100k / day girls at Terminal 21, I call bullshit. That's a *yearly* salary for most Thais. I'm sure you'll have no trouble finding a girl who'll take your 100k and a pimp who will procure, but doubt there's any sort of organized market in that price range (with easy access for a rich Farang tourist).I think you missed the joke.
Paul Kausch
03-27-14, 08:41
My Dad is early 80s and still going strong!That bodes well for you.
That bodes well for you.Hope so. Grandma lived to be 98!
Randy Murican
03-27-14, 11:49
Met up today with a girl from TF, age 29. She looked just like her profile pictures with a nice tight little body and was DTF. Multiple positions, although she had some trouble with deep piledriving. She didn't mind a little well timed spanking either. The hummer was excellent both visually and in sensation, not quite in the league of say Ploy the ex-Cherry girl but still very, very good. 2 grand for the session and a little extra for the motosai home. It was a gamble that paid off. I've had a few girls from there and DIA that needed school or rent money. This one is definitely a pro looking to expand her market penetration. A decent session for less than the average massage parlor visit. The girls are out there and available on these sites. Elapsed time from 1st contact to carnal knowledge- 2 days. What a great hobby.
Josh
Hit Climax around 11 PM. Motley crowd as usual. It gets happening after 12. Did not see a real stunner and chatted up a few ex 'girl-friends'. Saw a real cutie with her friends. Chatted her up. Danced, had drinks, was a good experience. Had to go to the toilet and after that she was like 'Oh, I am a nice girl, cannot go to your hotel etc'. Tried persuading her but to no avail.
So off to Mixx. Its becoming a bit like Spasso now. It was of course an early week-day but did not find many of the 'semi-pro' usually found there. One wanted 7000 which was a laugh! Another wanted 3000 for short time.
Was a bit drunk and picked up a 30 something girl with bolt-ons. She was horny and was sucking my dick as soon as we entered the hotel. Wild sex but her teeth did some damage to my dick LOL. Came 3 times upto morning. Off to work and she texts and calls all the time. Can be a bit irritating. Oh, and put 2, 500 in her bag which she happily took.
Cheers,
McM
Western787
03-27-14, 15:36
A mid 2012 Stickman column said:
"Where in the Western world can you not find a quick naughty with a reasonably attractive lady for $100?"
Like a 15 minute session, perhaps? Or AMP? Or crack addict? Is BB on the menu like it is so often in LOS? Very unlikely & inadvisable with a IDU. Even a BBBJ is far less of a possibility, to say nothing of DATO, BLS, etc.
Sorry, Stick, but the hobby in the Western world has way less value & comes with beautiful things like feminism, ice & snow, criminal prosecution of johns, & a large percentage of ladies on the glazed donut diet.You are correct, Stickman (and I happen to agree with the downward mega trend issue) often makes wild claims about (alleged) comparable providers in the western world. He takes what I would refer to as (poster)"Rick Rock's" position that vast armies of low cost and super attractive providers exist in for example major USA cities and elsewhere in the west.
Here is the applicable paragraph: "Western men in Bangkok bars are bidding against each other, pushing up prices to silly levels that may exceed what you'd pay in the West. Long-time often becomes short-time and short-time seldom lasts more than 30 minutes. Amazingly a quick bonk in Bangkok can cost well in excess of $100 today, maybe as much as $150 if you include the cost of a few drinks, the barfine, a room, the girl's fee, to say nothing of amortizing the cost of air travel. Where in the Western world can you not find a quick naughty with a reasonably attractive lady for $100? Even in ultra-expensive Hong Kong you can find a stunningly attractive lady on ******, the likes of which you simply cannot find in the farang nightlife districts of Bangkok, and spend an hour. A full hour. With her for less than $75 all up."
First, If "s..... x141" site and its "stunningly attractive" ladies he is alluding to were anything close to reality, the saunas in for example Macau would lose half their business. Photoshopping is the rule not the exception on such sites and in fact "141" itself was not many months ago raided and shut down by authorities and while they now link you to a substitute, its not the same site or could even be an LE sting of some type.
Second as to "where in the Western world can you not find a quick naughty with a reasonably attractive lady for $100?" Lets start with New York City and the list gets very long after that. Nor does the LT concept really exist in such locales in the same form at all, nor do soapies palaces or oils, or Beer Gardenor Thermae clones or a dozen other things typical in the Bangkok P4P scene.
Second as to "where in the Western world can you not find a quick naughty with a reasonably attractive lady for $100?" Lets start with New York City and the list gets very long after that. Nor does the LT concept really exist in such locales in the same form at all, nor do soapies palaces or oils, or Beer Gardenor Thermae clones or a dozen other things typical in the Bangkok P4P scene.How long ago since you tried P4P in a western country? Very easy to get a £30 (1500 baht) suck and fuck with a nice east European girl even in London. Bangkok isn't good value at all any more for P4P. There are still many reasons to come here but value isn't one of them.
Crocodilexp
03-27-14, 19:36
Very easy to get a £30 (1500 baht) suck and fuck with a nice east European girl even in London.That's comparing apples to oranges. The apples-to-apples equivalent of that £30 London skid row quickie that you're mentioning is the equivalent of a 300-600 (£5-£10) quickie in Bangkok (off the street in the Thai areas like Chinatown or Khlong Lot). Roughly the same appalling level of customary service (just a semi-hostile meathole for 15-min rent basically). Yeah, occasionally a decent-looking girl can be found.
The Farang-oriented sector is way better in terms of service, a whole different league. Or at least used to be a few short years ago. You are right, however, Bangkok Farang sector is not a particularly good value.
I can appreciate the really young and just a little pretty ladies. I'm just happy to be fucking girls one-half to one-third my age. The last thing I want is a wife or a girl friend. Too damn much trouble! Shit, standing in line buying groceries for two would [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off. I'd get mad thinking about all the money I'm wasting feeding her that I could otherwise use to buy pussy.You got the right idea. I have a GF (rather young but nearly 40). She has a hot body and is a very nice fuck, so that I always want her. However its not often enough. It isn't daily.
If it should all go south, I am determined not to get a new GF, to cramp my style. Hey, I am still day dreaming about taking a hot early twenties girl from a bar, away for a few days soon for travel, adventure, and copious sex. My opportunities are quite limited when I have the GF. I do love her, but its not 100% rosy all the time. Its good to have a part time GF only, I think.
I believe we are much better off outsourcing the sex. Then can sample all you like, or have a few regulars, trade up to a new model, etc. As we find best at the time.
Paul Kausch
03-28-14, 00:43
You got the right idea. I have a GF (rather young but nearly 40).
If it should all go south, I am determined not to get a new GF, to cramp my style.
I believe we are much better off outsourcing the sex.There are emotional benefits to being in a relationship with a good woman. That is not the case with a bad woman (how's that for an understatement!), or even an average woman in my opinion.
As I've mentioned in other posts I really enjoy the total freedom that comes with being an unencumbered male. When I broke up with my last girlfriend a number of years ago my circumstances were such that I couldn't get into another serious relationship. Entirely by accident I discovered I really enjoyed my own company and no longer needed a "steady girl" in my life. Especially for an older man (I'd say 55+), life without a girlfriend and access to a steady stream of new and different willing and affordable young women is a very nice way to live ones life.
It is great to be able to take short vacations with a variety of different young honeys.
I get the impression from other posts that your girl friend is a good lady, so working on the relationship is probably the right thing to do; but if you should break up in the future I recommend trying life without a girlfriend for a while.
"Prostitution is not strictly illegal in Thailand, though solicitation and public nuisance laws are ineffect. In practice it is tolerated and partly regulated. Prostitution operates clandestinely in many parts of the country. [1][2]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Thailand
You got the right idea. I have a GF (rather young but nearly 40). She has a hot body and is a very nice fuck, so that I always want her. However its not often enough. It isn't daily.
If it should all go south, I am determined not to get a new GF, to cramp my style. Hey, I am still day dreaming about taking a hot early twenties girl from a bar, away for a few days soon for travel, adventure, and copious sex. My opportunities are quite limited when I have the GF. I do love her, but its not 100% rosy all the time. Its good to have a part time GF only, I think.
I believe we are much better off outsourcing the sex. Then can sample all you like, or have a few regulars, trade up to a new model, etc. As we find best at the time.Pretty much sums up the way I feel as well.
You are correct, Stickman (and I happen to agree with the downward mega trend issue) often makes wild claims about (alleged) comparable providers in the western world. He takes what I would refer to as (poster)"Rick Rock's" position that vast armies of low cost and super attractive providers exist in for example major USA cities and elsewhere in the west.
Here is the applicable paragraph: "Western men in Bangkok bars are bidding against each other, pushing up prices to silly levels that may exceed what you'd pay in the West. Long-time often becomes short-time and short-time seldom lasts more than 30 minutes. Amazingly a quick bonk in Bangkok can cost well in excess of $100 today, maybe as much as $150 if you include the cost of a few drinks, the barfine, a room, the girl's fee, to say nothing of amortizing the cost of air travel. Where in the Western world can you not find a quick naughty with a reasonably attractive lady for $100? Even in ultra-expensive Hong Kong you can find a stunningly attractive lady on, the likes of which you simply cannot find in the farang nightlife districts of Bangkok, and spend an hour. A full hour. With her for less than $75 all up."
First, If "s. X141" site and its "stunningly attractive" ladies he is alluding to were anything close to reality, the saunas in for example Macau would lose half their business. Photoshopping is the rule not the exception on such sites and in fact "141" itself was not many months ago raided and shut down by authorities and while they now link you to a substitute, its not the same site or could even be an LE sting of some type.
Second as to "where in the Western world can you not find a quick naughty with a reasonably attractive lady for $100?" Lets start with New York City and the list gets very long after that. Nor does the LT concept really exist in such locales in the same form at all, nor do soapies palaces or oils, or Beer Gardenor Thermae clones or a dozen other things typical in the Bangkok P4P scene.Just finished watching The Wolf of Wall Street. Really made me think about the "good old days." What made BKK great? The fact that you could party like a rock star for very little. Early 00s P4P in BKK was really amazing. One small snippet. We used to have private parties upstairs at one particular Cowboy bar. Usually 10 guys. They would close the upstairs provide us with a bartender and we would barfine 10-15 girls. We had unlimited use of the ST rooms, all we had to do was buy drinks (100 baht a pop) , tip the bartenders, and pay the girls for ST (1k a pop). It was crazy. Most of the times it ended up similar to the bachelor party scene out of Wolf. People in various states of undress the smell of booze and sex permeating the air. Just fantastic fun. Parties usually lasted from 9 till 2. And the damage for booze, tips, and a few STs, never more than about 4 or 5k baht per person and at 40 baht to the dollar, quite a deal. That is why most of us moved to BKK. A fantastic time for an amazing price.
Today you would spend that kind of money on a few drinks and one ST.
Aqua64,
3 posts. 3 questions. When will you return something to the forum?
Ayutthaya:
Look for Grand Street in the new city (not the island, not Soi Farang) , off Rojana Road (Krungsri river hotel is located at this road, too). It's where the Grand Hotel is located, and the Ayutthaya Night Plaza. Start with Cowboy Bar, life music, drinks (food not so convincing) , and then walk into the small side roads there. You will find lots of KTV's, Japanese Karaokes, bars, massage places etc. Etc. .
GiottoGiotto thanks for the info. I will share my experiences after the visit this time!
I just arrived in Bangkok last night after a few months away and was told by the girl I barfined that the election alcohol ban is in effect this weekend for the Senate elections. She said her bar is closed Saturday and that she has the night off. Today, I looked through these forums and a bit online but didn't find much info.
The Thai Senate election is Sunday and I saw a few campaign posters on the street today while walking around. I asked my hotel concierge and she said that no alcohol can be served in bars and stores from 6 PM on Saturday March 29 until midnight on Sunday March 30.
Unfortunately for us, these elections and dry Thai holidays seem to happen too frequently and really screw things up. Last year when I was here during one of the dry holiday nights, Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza were shut down but there were a few Nana bars open, including Golden Bar. Also, the western hotels are exempt from the ban, but that doesn't do much good.
I was told they had the pre-elections last weekend with the same ban. Can anyone report what the situation was? I'm hoping a few bars maybe paid off the right people to be able to stay open like last time.
Anyway, it seems like I need to shift to Plan B and break out some phone numbers and make some calls to some girls for Saturday night. Maybe a good night to catch a movie and bring a girl back to the hotel.
Just finished watching The Wolf of Wall Street. Really made me think about the "good old days." What made BKK great? The fact that you could party like a rock star for very little. Early 00s P4P in BKK was really amazing. One small snippet. We used to have private parties upstairs at one particular Cowboy bar. Usually 10 guys. They would close the upstairs provide us with a bartender and we would barfine 10-15 girls. We had unlimited use of the ST rooms, all we had to do was buy drinks (100 baht a pop) , tip the bartenders, and pay the girls for ST (1k a pop).
It was crazy. Most of the times it ended up similar to the bachelor party scene out of Wolf. People in various states of undress the smell of booze and sex permeating the air. Just fantastic fun. Parties usually lasted from 9 till 2. And the damage for booze, tips, and a few STs, never more than about 4 or 5k baht per person and at 40 baht to the dollar, quite a deal. That is why most of us moved to BKK. A fantastic time for an amazing price.
Today you would spend that kind of money on a few drinks and one ST.That first paragraph describes my experience in Bangkok from 07 to 14.
Although it was with hot street walkers (including some stunner ex gogo girls) whose market rate was "1K a pop", or maybe more than one pop.
Also I did not have to pay a "barfine" fee, nor "buy drinks", nor "tip the bartenders".
But now I'm in VN where it's half the price for a hotel of the same quality as I frequent in BKK & the girls may be even more attractive than in LOS.
Last Saturday in the end only Soi Cowboy closed all bars, even Crazy House well known about bending some rules (paying some teamoney) was closed all night.
Nana and Patpong was business as usual, but sometimes you drink your beer or spirit out of a plastic or paper cup. What will happen tomorrow is always the question. Some lady I know say already she have a day off tomorrow since she work on Soi Cowboy. But this is Thailand right? So never know before. Happy hunting.
I just arrived in Bangkok last night after a few months away and was told by the girl I barfined that the election alcohol ban is in effect this weekend for the Senate elections. She said her bar is closed Saturday and that she has the night off. Today, I looked through these forums and a bit online but didn't find much info.
The Thai Senate election is Sunday and I saw a few campaign posters on the street today while walking around. I asked my hotel concierge and she said that no alcohol can be served in bars and stores from 6 PM on Saturday March 29 until midnight on Sunday March 30.
Unfortunately for us, these elections and dry Thai holidays seem to happen too frequently and really screw things up. Last year when I was here during one of the dry holiday nights, Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza were shut down but there were a few Nana bars open, including Golden Bar. Also, the western hotels are exempt from the ban, but that doesn't do much good.
I was told they had the pre-elections last weekend with the same ban. Can anyone report what the situation was? I'm hoping a few bars maybe paid off the right people to be able to stay open like last time.
Anyway, it seems like I need to shift to Plan B and break out some phone numbers and make some calls to some girls for Saturday night. Maybe a good night to catch a movie and bring a girl back to the hotel.
Western787
03-28-14, 20:39
But now I'm in VN where it's half the price for a hotel of the same quality as I frequent in BKK & the girls may be even more attractive than in LOS.Perhaps more beautiful, but for what? A HJ?
Western787
03-28-14, 21:12
"Prostitution is not strictly illegal in Thailand, though solicitation and public nuisance laws are ineffect. In practice it is tolerated and partly regulated. Prostitution operates clandestinely in many parts of the country. [1][2]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_ThailandYes, its de facto legal, and while technically still illegal even the big signs about "police districts" in Soi Cowboy and Nana are telling tourists "don't worry, nobody cares"
Enjoy it while it lasts, because someday it may not be so out in the open and instead revert to something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okx8QuMCPVQ
Paul Kausch
03-29-14, 00:03
What made BKK great? The fact that you could party like a rock star for very little. Early 00s P4P in BKK was really amazing.I enjoy reading and hearing stories about what BKK was like in the good ol' days. About a year ago a fellow reported on an orgy he and three buddies had with Apple and four other ladies from Cherry Massage. It happened in one of the three-bedroom suites at the Lebua State Tower, which I believe they now aptly call the "Hangover Suite." As it turned out they didn't need the bedrooms because all nine of them ended up together in the suite's living room. The party was well stocked with good food and plenty of booze. Everyone had great fun. I've talked to two of the participating ladies; both said they had the time of their lives. This illustrates how you can still create events like you describe in your post. The biggest difference is the cost. I recall they ended up paying each lady about 6000 for three hours of fun, plus there was the suite and the food and the booze. You can do the math. And these guys had to stage everything themselves; well it was Apple who staged the orgy as it started off with everyone paired up in separate bedrooms.
It is great that you had experiences like you describe and they cost so little. To stumble into one such situation once in a lifetime would be a dream come true for millions of men, and almost surely a forever unfulfilled dream. The reports from a year ago made it sound like all the guys thought it was an amazing once in a lifetime experience, and the great thing is that is pretty close to how the two ladies I talked to felt about it as well.
The fact that you were lucky enough to have experiences like this repeatedly is extraordinarily fortunate. I can appreciate that you miss the good ol' days and find it frustrating to watch costs creep higher and higher, and the P4P scene sink lower and lower, but damn man, you are one hell of a lucky guy. You lived the dream, repeatedly. I've learned one's attitude is so important. May I be so bold as to make a suggestion. Savor those memories rather than mourning that they are not being repeated. My buddies who served in Nam talk about what Pattaya was like in 1967. Their attitude is that the gig sucked, but they have memories of R&R, living on the beach for a few days, having a pretty young Thai girl grill a chicken and share it and everything else with them.
As Paul Simon wrote,"Time it was, and what a time it was, it was a time of innocence, a time of confidences. Long ago it must be, I have a photograph, preserve your memories, they're all that's left you."
You are a lucky man.
I enjoy reading and hearing stories about what BKK was like in the good ol' days. About a year ago a fellow reported on an orgy he and three buddies had with Apple and four other ladies from Cherry Massage. It happened in one of the three-bedroom suites at the Lebua State Tower, which I believe they now aptly call the "Hangover Suite." As it turned out they didn't need the bedrooms because all nine of them ended up together in the suite's living room. The party was well stocked with good food and plenty of booze. Everyone had great fun. I've talked to two of the participating ladies; both said they had the time of their lives. This illustrates how you can still create events like you describe in your post. The biggest difference is the cost. I recall they ended up paying each lady about 6000 for three hours of fun, plus there was the suite and the food and the booze. You can do the math. And these guys had to stage everything themselves; well it was Apple who staged the orgy as it started off with everyone paired up in separate bedrooms.
It is great that you had experiences like you describe and they cost so little. To stumble into one such situation once in a lifetime would be a dream come true for millions of men, and almost surely a forever unfulfilled dream. The reports from a year ago made it sound like all the guys thought it was an amazing once in a lifetime experience, and the great thing is that is pretty close to how the two ladies I talked to felt about it as well.
The fact that you were lucky enough to have experiences like this repeatedly is extraordinarily fortunate. I can appreciate that you miss the good ol' days and find it frustrating to watch costs creep higher and higher, and the P4P scene sink lower and lower, but damn man, you are one hell of a lucky guy. You lived the dream, repeatedly. I've learned one's attitude is so important. May I be so bold as to make a suggestion. Savor those memories rather than mourning that they are not being repeated. My buddies who served in Nam talk about what Pattaya was like in 1967. Their attitude is that the gig sucked, but they have memories of R&R, living on the beach for a few days, having a pretty young Thai girl grill a chicken and share it and everything else with them.
As Paul Simon wrote,"Time it was, and what a time it was, it was a time of innocence, a time of confidences. Long ago it must be, I have a photograph, preserve your memories, they're all that's left you."
You are a lucky man.I won't bore you with tales of sweet young girls in Chiang Mai going for B40 in 1963. All night.
Or Lopburi honeys a decade later for B10, short time.
Here are some ladies from the G Spot partying at the Regent (now Four Seasons) about ten years ago. B2, 000 each, all night, plus tip.
Paul Kausch
03-29-14, 01:03
I won't bore you with tales of sweet young girls in Chiang Mai going for B40 in 1963. All night.I definitely would not be bored. I encourage you to share them. I think a thread devoted to tales from the good ol' days would be nice.
I enjoy reading and hearing stories about what BKK was like in the good ol' days. About a year ago a fellow reported on an orgy he and three buddies had with Apple and four other ladies from Cherry Massage. It happened in one of the three-bedroom suites at the Lebua State Tower, which I believe they now aptly call the "Hangover Suite." As it turned out they didn't need the bedrooms because all nine of them ended up together in the suite's living room. The party was well stocked with good food and plenty of booze. Everyone had great fun. I've talked to two of the participating ladies; both said they had the time of their lives. This illustrates how you can still create events like you describe in your post. The biggest difference is the cost. I recall they ended up paying each lady about 6000 for three hours of fun, plus there was the suite and the food and the booze. You can do the math. And these guys had to stage everything themselves; well it was Apple who staged the orgy as it started off with everyone paired up in separate bedrooms.
It is great that you had experiences like you describe and they cost so little. To stumble into one such situation once in a lifetime would be a dream come true for millions of men, and almost surely a forever unfulfilled dream. The reports from a year ago made it sound like all the guys thought it was an amazing once in a lifetime experience, and the great thing is that is pretty close to how the two ladies I talked to felt about it as well.
The fact that you were lucky enough to have experiences like this repeatedly is extraordinarily fortunate. I can appreciate that you miss the good ol' days and find it frustrating to watch costs creep higher and higher, and the P4P scene sink lower and lower, but damn man, you are one hell of a lucky guy. You lived the dream, repeatedly. I've learned one's attitude is so important. May I be so bold as to make a suggestion. Savor those memories rather than mourning that they are not being repeated. My buddies who served in Nam talk about what Pattaya was like in 1967. Their attitude is that the gig sucked, but they have memories of R&R, living on the beach for a few days, having a pretty young Thai girl grill a chicken and share it and everything else with them.
As Paul Simon wrote,"Time it was, and what a time it was, it was a time of innocence, a time of confidences. Long ago it must be, I have a photograph, preserve your memories, they're all that's left you."
You are a lucky man.I could not agree with you more Paul. I look back and am damn fortunate to have experienced the end of the Golden Era of Wh*ring in Thailand. BKK was amazing and really so was Pattaya. You could go during low season (after Cobra Gold till the end of Oct) and basically have the town to yourself. We would go with a group and have a ball. The Starbucks on Beach and 13 had just opened and we would be the only customers sitting upstairs. Would hit it about 330 after having torn off our first piece of the day in Soi 6. Evenings were great. Gogo gals were never more than 1k LT, freelancers, between 500 and 1k, and Marine Disco after 2 am, off the hook in so many ways.
It was not the awful demographic you have now, just Western mongers and the occasional Asian tour group. Went at least once a month.
Nom Penh was also fantastic. The old Martinis across from the Intercon was the bomb.
Only have two real mongering regrets, that I did not get to Brazil when it was cheap and I missed out on Eastern Europe in the very early 90s. Hot Czech gals for 10. 20 USD would have been wonderful.
Overall I have just had a great time, but as you say Paul, times they do change, and BKK in some ways is a better place and in some ways a worse place. Whatever, it has been my home for over 14 years. The only place I have lived longer than the condo I am in now is the home I grew up in. I am far more comfortable here then I ever was in the US. I eat great food, play in a band, and have wonderful like minded friends. I have a very well educated girlfriend I have been with for many years. Over the course of 7 years we have had a total of three instances where we have raised our voices to each other. We give each other lots of space. We have great fun together. I can hit an oily a few times a month when I need to "get the white out." Overall life is really pretty good.
I won't bore you with tales of sweet young girls in Chiang Mai going for B40 in 1963. All night.
Or Lopburi honeys a decade later for B10, short time.
Here are some ladies from the G Spot partying at the Regent (now Four Seasons) about ten years ago. B2, 000 each, all night, plus tip.Would love to hear the stories! Bring 'them on.
I hit the bar next to Nana Hotel parking lot around 9 pm, the bar directly across from Hilary 4, great place to scope out the freelance talent in the parking lot and a good place to watch the Nana Plaza hotties arrive for work in their short skirts and high heels. Fun. I saw two really pretty girls in the parking lot around 9:30 and had decided I would chat with them, choose one when a boring American guy stood in front of me and started a conversation about football. I love football (I'm just as boring, I guess) and we chatted for about 45 minutes, when he finally left both girls were gone! Several big, bony lady boys and a few fat girls were left, I'd lost interest so went to my room at JW Marriott and slept several hours.
Woke at 3, back to Nana Hotel parking lot and there were about 30 girls hanging around. I saw a girl-next-door type right at the entrance, we talked a few minutes, she asked THB 2, 000, I countered with 1, 000, we talked about 10 minutes more (I wanted her to know I was not a psycho and was worth the safety discount) and finally offered 1, 300. She accepted, off we went. 4 am when we entered my hotel room. Om is dark-skinned, short, great ass, small breasts, has a 16 month-old baby and still has some of the baby fat, but she was very enthusiastic, became quite excited and dripping wet during foreplay so the sex was great. I doubt I was her first customer of the night but she gave a great performance. I'm happy.
Western787
03-29-14, 04:32
One could easily name a dozen or P4P destinations across the world experiencing similar declines, and generally its some combination of improved standard of living, NGO influence, and in the case of Kiev actual war or with Sosua (DR) its seems to be about cruise ship destinations.
In regard to Bangkok, even Stickman himself in his Jan 12, 2014 column quotes a Bangkok bar manager visiting Saigon on holiday as saying "We're spoiled in Bangkok, we don't know how good we've got it!" Among other things while Saigon should probably be in the midst of ITS "golden age", apparently the infusion of guys loaded with cash (and young expats looking for freebies) is not exactly helping the situation very much for the average monger.
Also, even by the benchmark fantasy standards of iconic Hollywood films (here with Japanese girls) Bangkok today holds up pretty well. For example any guy in Bangkok able to put a few bahts together can afford a soapie girl or perhaps 2 or more, and in fact this clip the girls range only from probably mid 7 to one high 8, so fantasy can still be turned into reality without much difficulty.
At some point it is true, Bangkok may turn into present day Japan, which has now effectively priced out most mongers from the P4P scene, but its still got a long way to go.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLau1ANQO2I
Paul Kausch
03-29-14, 05:15
Even Stickman himself in his Jan 12, 2014 column quotes a Bangkok bar manager visiting Saigon on holiday as saying "We're spoiled in Bangkok, we don't know how good we've got it!"It's all relative. I've stated more than once that I think Bangkok is one of the best if not the best major city that is also a mongers' destination. I also think it was even better ten years ago, and ten years before that, and before that. It will be a very long time, if ever, before it becomes as expensive and as closed a system as you have with Japan. In ten years those of us who are still around may say it was better back in 2014, but it's still a great place to monger. Of course that could change with a change in politics and the emergence of some hyper-nationalist who wanted to discourage and expel all the evil farangs. Could happen but I'm not really worrying about that.
Western787
03-29-14, 06:19
Wow, almost as hot as the Terminal 21 "special" girls. http://wikibit.net/video/sB2hY7uR9AI
Western787
03-29-14, 06:27
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Wolvenvacht
03-29-14, 08:37
I won't bore you with tales of sweet young girls in Chiang Mai going for B40 in 1963. All night.
Or Lopburi honeys a decade later for B10, short time.
Here are some ladies from the G Spot partying at the Regent (now Four Seasons) about ten years ago. B2, 000 each, all night, plus tip.Ah, the "old" times seem to have had their pleasures too. But the good thing now is that we can monger in color!
Perhaps more beautiful, but for what? A HJ?From reading many ISG reports from the Vietnam section, it seems massage places where BBBJ is offered is quite popular, with FS being less attainable in such venues. Besides that there are various other possibilities like street riders (girls on motos) , incall, escorts, dirt cheap fuck houses, and more pricy higher end hotels full of stunners, etc.
This speaks of KTVs & clubs "full of prostitutes".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Vietnam
One day mid afternoon a bike lady asked me re "boom boom". Had a couple others on wheels speak to me as I was walking around, saying they were students & offering a tour of the city.
As an aside, Vietnam has a larger population than Thailand, roughly 89 to 66 million. In VN the minimum wage varies from 25 to 50 USD a month, while in Siam it is about 9 USD a day or $270 per 30 days.
"I found a similar experience in Saigon. Usually Asian girls do nothing for me but I was surprised at how many attractive girls I saw in Vietnam. Maybe it was their white skin and slightly more European features but coming back to Bangkok and seeing all the brown skinned flat nosed Issan girls was a huge disappointment."
"Since returning from Pattaya, I love the VN girls more. Lighter skin, nicer bodies, not so many tattoos! And if a VN girl smokes she usually does it when you are not around. But I love all the SE Asian women, long black hair, soft skin, strong sex drives!"
I won't bore you with tales of sweet young girls in Chiang Mai going for B40 in 1963. All night.
Or Lopburi honeys a decade later for B10, short time.
Here are some ladies from the G Spot partying at the Regent (now Four Seasons) about ten years ago. B2, 000 each, all night, plus tip.I am amazed you got them into the Regent. It used to be my business hotel of choice in 1980's & 1990's and I got a clear veto on tart entry & had to keep a separate room elsewhere for P4P.
Western787
03-29-14, 18:14
As an aside, Vietnam has a larger population than Thailand, roughly 89 to 66 million. In VN the minimum wage varies from 25 to 50 USD a month, while in Siam it is about 9 USD a day or $270 per 30 days.
"I found a similar experience in Saigon. Usually Asian girls do nothing for me but I was surprised at how many attractive girls I saw in Vietnam. Maybe it was their white skin and slightly more European features but coming back to Bangkok and seeing all the brown skinned flat nosed Issan girls was a huge disappointment."
"Since returning from Pattaya, I love the VN girls more. Lighter skin, nicer bodies, not so many tattoos! And if a VN girl smokes she usually does it when you are not around. But I love all the SE Asian women, long black hair, soft skin, strong sex drives!"I think one could plausibly argue at least in terms of facial beauty, (all other things equal) Vietnamese women on average could be the most beautiful women on the planet. Theoretically Vietnam, like Burma another populous country which is also loaded with beauties, should be these amazing mogering destinations, yet it doesn't seem to be the reality.
Its seems noone is quite able to explain why either destination has not fullfilled its theoretical (on paper at least) promise, I guess some combination of globalization, the internet, improving standard of living (in Burma though barely) , NGO influence, cheap air tickets, China's growing importance and dominance, and many other factors. The factors that produced Thailand's "golden age" could have been a rare confluence of factors all hitting at once, and perhaps will be very hard to ever duplicate anywhere else. For example if SST (Super Sonic Transport) aviation technology did not have to deal with the basic intractable physics problem of of sonic booms, and the interrelated issues concerning overland routes, and the technology had continually been developed over the past 40 plus years, it would have turned NYC to Bangkok into an 7 to 8 hour flight vs 20 hours, a huge difference, and affluent americans and other deep pocket westerners (europeans also) would have ruined Thailand many years earlier..
FruitNinja
03-29-14, 18:51
I think one could plausibly argue at least in terms of facial beauty, (all other things equal) Vietnamese women on average could be the most beautiful women on the planet. Theoretically Vietnam, like Burma another populous country which is also loaded with beauties, should be these amazing mogering destinations, yet it doesn't seem to be the reality.
Its seems noone is quite able to explain why either destination has not fullfilled its theoretical (on paper at least) promise, I guess some combination of globalization, the internet, improving standard of living (in Burma though barely) , NGO influence, cheap air tickets, China's growing importance and dominance, and many other factors. The factors that produced Thailand's "golden age" could have been a rare confluence of factors all hitting at once, and perhaps will be very hard to ever duplicate anywhere else. For example if SST (Super Sonic Transport) aviation technology did not have to deal with the basic intractable physics problem of of sonic booms, and the interrelated issues concerning overland routes, and the technology had continually been developed over the past 40 plus years, it would have turned NYC to Bangkok into an 7 to 8 hour flight vs 20 hours, a huge difference, and affluent americans and other deep pocket westerners (europeans also) would have ruined Thailand many years earlier.I think culture has a lot to do with it. In my never ending pursuit of new ways to get laid I have used a lot of social media and dating sites. For instance Filipino girls will have no problem going out with, going to bed with, or even marring a 40 years older. Thai girls yes but not as much. Vietnamese girls have no interest for the most part. Not saying there aren't isolated instances but rare in my experience. Vietnam and the Phils are both dirt poor. My personal experience with Vietnamese is they are very shy. Much more than the Thai or Filipino. I spend quite a bit of time with a woman I met the last time. I could have done a long term deal with her. Very successful attorney in Saigon. Divorced with one child but smart and very pretty at 35. I went to kiss her and she was truly embarrassed. She went on to explain that you do not do this in their culture until you have gotten to know someone very well and are "officially" dating and even then never in public. It's even impolite in their culture to touch the opposite sex in public unless married and even then very little.
On the other hand in Thailand even a bar girl will hold your hand and hug you in public. They almost seem to see it as a sign of success. Bagged a foreigner. Most times the bar girls congratulate each other at getting a barfine. The Filipino girls are very loving, in public and in private. The girl I took to Puerto Galera was all over me, almost as if she was proud to have a white guy.
I have gotten more than just BJs in Vietnam. Each of the times has been darn good but it's pretty much "lets do this" attitude. They are very adept at leasing but the vibe is different than anything I've seen before. I even had a young Viet girl in the states that I was helping. She was a dynamo in bed, but it was "get it done, please your man" and move on. She was very sexy and she is one of the few girls I've had that way that are on my regular facebook. I think they are very tribal in a lot of ways.
I would also agree that they are some of the most beautiful girls in Asia. Maybe it's the years of French influence. I'm sure the French like the Americans fathered many children over the years. Whatever it is it works. There are plenty of available bar girls but you're not going to get it at $30 USD as in the Philippines or Thailand. I had a stunner from Bue Vien Crazy Girl and she was amazing. But she wouldn't budge off of 100 USD. I'm sure if I had picked one of the more homely ones I could have paid considerably less.
It would be nice if it were easier but it's not. I also imagine if you lived there or were a regular you could get a system working. I've had some luck on both visits. Still need to do some more research. And, they do not like giving head on the first outing but you get them comfy with you and the will blow your mind. They also do not shave as it's considered bad luck.
I'm ok with that as long as I'm ok with that. I'm just happy to be balls deep.
FN
Paul Kausch
03-29-14, 19:05
The factors that produced Thailand's "golden age" could have been a rare confluence of factors all hitting at once, and perhaps will be very hard to ever duplciate anywhere else.I think many people who were literally there would say the Vietnam War and the way the USA GIs used Pattaya and Bangkok for R&R is the catalyst that got the business started. I have several friends, most a few years older than me, who served in Vietnam. Some were there as early as 1965-66. I was of an age when I used to think of time as a year of high school. A good friend who flew choppers remembers in 1966 going to Pattaya. He described it as just a small fishing village. The first time my buddy literally camped out on the beach for a few days. A strapping young farang in his early 20s living on the beach was a curiosity. It didn't take him long to attract the interest of one particular young local lady. He said she showed up at his camp site with a recently killed and cleaned chicken. In some tellings of the story the chicken was still alive. He killed it. She cleaned it. Anyway, he rustled up the implements to build a fire and cook the chicken. Afterwards they ate it. She ate a little. He ate most if it. No sex on the first visit. He had learned a couple of Thai phrases. She knew no English. Still he had a great time. Of course my friend wasn't the first GI to visit Pattaya. He heard about it from a few other guys. Over time he kept going back. He claims when he started going there few people had heard about it, but word spread fast. Other GIs started to go. The appeal was that it was peaceful and the people were very friendly. That was it. After just a few visits he and the other GIs were fucking the local girls; giving them small gifts; buying food for them; and giving them a few baht. Eventually the USA military deliberately turned it into a big brothel for the GIs. Of course the GIs also were going to Bangkok, which in the mid-sixties was also very different. This particular buddy of mine preferred Pattaya.
Below are some photos of Pattaya in the 1960s I found on the internet.
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.but times they do change, and BKK in some ways is a better place and in some ways a worse place.A huge advantage today for mongers over the alleged "golden years" a quarter century ago is the internet. This helps with the entire hobbying experience from air travel to girls to hotels, & scams to sex venues to visas.
Without it it is like a chicken running around trying to finds its way with its head cut off.
Even 10 to 15 years ago the internet was not nearly as developed or useful in this regard.
Much the same can be said re cell phones which were unheard of in the so called heyday of Siam.
The number of P4P ladies & businesses in the city of angels has grown substantially over the decades, giving sex tourists far more choices.
The city itself has become more modernized & westernized, making it more convenient & appealing.
Then there are the girls themselves. Do more of them speak English now? Are they more sophisticated & aware of what Western men are like & want. More liberal re sex & the services they offer? Less clingy.
In some ways it is without debate a more golden time in recent years, rather than decades ago, especially at times such as the last several months.
World Jockey
03-29-14, 21:00
It's all relative. I've stated more than once that I think Bangkok is one of the best if not the best major city that is also a mongers' destination. I also think it was even better ten years ago, and ten years before that, and before that. It will be a very long time, if ever, before it becomes as expensive and as closed a system as you have with Japan. In ten years those of us who are still around may say it was better back in 2014,That's a very good point. If years from now the system changes dramatically 2014 may be lumped in with the "golden age". However I agree with you and Western; outside of some strange event I think it would take many years for it to become priced out.
Despite the election, Tonight (Saturday) , all of the Soi Nana / Soi 4 area seemed pretty much normal with everything open, with a few twists. I first looked down from the JW and everything was lit up as usual. After getting down on the street, it actually seemed busier than a normal Saturday night in March, even with the football games going. I think it might be because if Soi Cowboy was closed, then a lot of their customers were in Nana instead. Add to that that it's a Saturday night and you get crowded. Even the street at 10PM seemed to have a more girls freelancing than usual, maybe from closed bars.
The bars along Soi 4 were all pretty packed, Morning-Night, Big Dogs, Hillary 4. I settled in a packed Bar 4 lucky to get a table. The beer was served in a glass as they took the bottle away, and I had to pay with each round, no tab. At least I knew my bill wasn't going to get padded. The girl I was hoping to meet was either already BF'ed or not working, so I then went into Nana Plaza to Billboard on the 3rd floor looking for another girl who also wasn't there, but there was no shortage of talent or customers. Beer got served in a tall 20 oz paper cup marked for coffee and again no bin (tab) , you paid for each round as it came.
I then hit Spellbound on the first level where last visit in DEC I had great luck, but again the girl I was looking for "went home", so it was Plan B, a great dancing 30ish hottie who appealed to me. A few beers for me and a few tequila shots for her with her dancing a few rounds and the deal was struck and we were off to the JW. The session was extraordinary, like a top 3%er, some weird mixture when I'm in the right mood and on my game and so is the girl. We made plans to meet again which I'll do, knowing we won't match tonight. She let me shoot some good photos too so tipped her well, fully intending to take her again before my 10 days wears down.
Bottom Line: Nana is for the most part normal, except you can't run a tab by filling a bin with receipts. You pay by the drink / round. And in some bars you drink from paper cups, which sucks. Many used glasses and a few guys had bottles, it wasn't 100% consistency but everybody was serving. I'd have no issue going there again tomorrow as the alcohol ban is supposed t extend until midnight Sunday.
Can anyone report on other areas in Bangkok last night with the election "no alcohol" restrictions in place? I made the nana report but I didn't venture elsewhere and was told by a bar girl friend that her bar in Soi Cowboy was closed tonight. Was all of SOi Cowboy shut down? Same for Patpong? Soi 33? Other areas?
I guess it's supposed to be the same tomorrow (Sunday) night until midnight, so it would be good info to know.
Crocodilexp
03-29-14, 21:41
while Saigon should probably be in the midst of ITS "golden age", apparently the infusion of guys loaded with cash (and young expats looking for freebies) is not exactly helping the situation very much for the average monger.The problem is not the customers, but the vendors. Sexual services can still be very cheap (starting from $15+ for a BJ, $20+ for FS) in Vietnam if you know where to look. However, the Vietnamese simply do not have the interpersonal grace, warmth and a sense of decency and duty to finish a job that Thais do. Paying for sex there is simply opening up the opportunity for them to extract more money, and they rarely feel obliged to do anything more than the minimal required service. Often less.
Thais tend to be way more honest and tend to have an uncanny ability and desire to put people they're with at ease (it works even through a language barrier). I can count many times when I took a long time to come (after too many fucks) , and a Thai girl I was with was trying very hard and long to squeeze one out, with genuine concern that she failed at her job (even if I tell her it doesn't matter). A Chinese or Vietnamese? Never. They'll try to kick you out if you don't finish as quickly as you think you should (and often they think you should finish before you start). At best, they won't hassle you much because they see that as an efficient way to get over with you faster.
Moreover, with a Thai girl, if I start out feeling a bit anxious / reluctant at first, she'll make me feel at ease quickly. With the Vietnamese, it's quite the opposite. It might start out OK (they do have to reel you in, after all) , but gets antagonistic fairly easily. They often like pushing completely unnecessary rules like not taking off your pants beyond your ankles (for the BJ) , turning the light off, insisting on a position they (not you) want and so on. Thais are usually happy to do small stuff that costs them little or no effort, if it makes you feel better.
Unfortunately, poverty, and even wide availability of pretty girls, are not sufficient conditions for a good mongering scene.
Western787
03-30-14, 00:07
The problem is not the customers, but the vendors. .Its always a combination of supply and demand at some level, and certainly in Bangkok which has had both supply reductions (a dwindling supply of hot P4P girls) combined with demand increases (with each year ever increasing hordes of sex tourists descending upon the city) a trend only temporarily disrupted by political protests.
Consider that female beauty is a commodity and females, particularly those ultra beautiful, will by 18 years of age normally start to convert that commodity into currency, whether it be initially with wealthy boyfriends, later marrying males with resources, or less often selling it on the P4P market.
Low cost mongering with beautiful P4P women to some degree depends upon a (usually temporary) mispricing of the resource being sold and in the pre internet/globalization age that could last for decades in a certain market, but in the global market where information can flow across the globe in mere seconds at virtually zero no cost, a beautiful girl by her late teen years, lets say even in a remote Burmese village, is going to pretty much know what her value is in international terms.
In the case of Veitnam, perhaps a lot of these ultra hot Vietnamese girls are now fully pricing their beauty by international standards, in a way that was not possible before, and that could explain why those in the P4P realm just don't seem to very customer-oriented.
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Doing a lot in BKK but I have never been to The strip and tried there booths!
What's going on in the booths is it like a lapdance or like FS in there?
Price for it?
Its always a combination of supply and demand at some level, and certainly in Bangkok which has had both supply reductions (a dwindling supply of hot P4P girls) combined with demand increases (with each year ever increasing hordes of sex tourists descending upon the city) a trend only temporarily disrupted by political protests.
Consider that female beauty is a commodity and females, particularly those ultra beautiful, will by 18 years of age normally start to convert that commodity into currency, whether it be initially with wealthy boyfriends, later marrying males with resources, or less often selling it on the P4P market.
Low cost mongering with beautiful P4P women to some degree depends upon a (usually temporary) mispricing of the resource being sold and in the pre internet / globalization age that could last for decades in a certain market, but in the global market where information can flow across the globe in mere seconds at virtually zero no cost, a beautiful girl by her late teen years, lets say even in a remote Burmese village, is going to pretty much know what her value is in international terms.
In the case of Veitnam, perhaps a lot of these ultra hot Vietnamese girls are now fully pricing their beauty by international standards, in a way that was not possible before, and that could explain why those in the P4P realm just don't seem to very customer-oriented.I would say there are far fewer Western sex tourists than there were "back in the day." Far fewer. Might be more Asian guys, but that tends to be a bit different scene. There are also fewer gals. Proportionally though there has been more loss on the gal side then on the sex tourist side.
You are absolutely correct about information. These gals know they are "wanted." Sadly, with the Western scene, value is arbitrary. Dudes pay BMW prices for a Toyota. From then on that Toyota will think it is a BMW, and unlike in the West the Toyota will not accept Toyota prices again. The Toyota would rather starve than lose face. I would also never say mis-priced. Dudes throw sense out the window when sex is concerned. A 1k baht P4P gal is still a 1K baht P4P gal even if some guy gives her 3k. Sadly this does not impress the gal. Most just think the guy is moron. That is the nice thing about soapies and oilies. Fixed pricing there has not really changed in 15 years. Soapies all went up 100 baht in '04 due to a new tax. Girls in soapies are priced on certain physical attributes. Taste with most Asian guys is not arbitrary. Beauty is judged on a certain set of criteria.
Supply and demand work a little different when sex is concerned. Case in point, oilies. There are far more of them then there were 5 years ago, yet on average service is not as good as it was. Conventional thinking tells us that competition benefits the consumer. In this case it has not. Why? Because to get and retain better "looking" gals oilies have allowed them to change the game. CBJs in some parlors, no kissing, etc. In order to retain gals even the PSE shops have become less rigid. Gone are the days when Saeng at Tulip would tell you,"all girls do everything." And it was 100% true. Service was even better at the more Japanese oriented shops 5 years ago.
Of course in the end mongers let gals get away with poor service and that is a shame. I pretty much stopped taking FLs a couple of years ago due to a very bad run. Actually walked out on 7 out of 10 chicks in a short period of time. Got to the room, no kissing, no fingering, no this, no that. When I am getting no no no, I very politely explain that I expect the gal to do me like we are in a porn or like she is with her BF. When things don't get better I get dressed and leave, telling her that I am not at all angry, and that I don't want her to do anything she is not comfortable with. Depending on what happened, I leave 100-200 baht. I just won't pay for lack of service. Sadly many guys do and that as greatly changed the scene. So many guys are not leaving their Western ideas of relationships, gender roles, expectations, etc at home. They are bringing them to Thailand more and more. A shame really as so many of us came over to get away from those.
About a year or so ago three of us say outside the ST room on the 2nd floor of Nana having a few beers. We decided to time guys while they were in the ST hotel. We did this over a period of two hours. The average stay in the ST room was 20 min. That's two showers and sex. Talk about two pump chumps. Only one "couple" stayed longer than 30 min. Amazing really when you consider most of these gals are getting 2k for what is probably less than 10 min of sex. We saw one gal turn three tricks in those two hours. Of course they have poor attitudes. Give a poor uneducated farm girl this kind of money and perceived power and poof, its all over.
The problem is not the customers, but the vendors. Sexual services can still be very cheap (starting from $15+ for a BJ, $20+ for FS) in Vietnam if you know where to look. However, the Vietnamese simply do not have the interpersonal grace, warmth and a sense of decency and duty to finish a job that Thais do. Paying for sex there is simply opening up the opportunity for them to extract more money, and they rarely feel obliged to do anything more than the minimal required service. Often less.
Thais tend to be way more honest and tend to have an uncanny ability and desire to put people they're with at ease (it works even through a language barrier). I can count many times when I took a long time to come (after too many fucks) , and a Thai girl I was with was trying very hard and long to squeeze one out, with genuine concern that she failed at her job (even if I tell her it doesn't matter). A Chinese or Vietnamese? Never. They'll try to kick you out if you don't finish as quickly as you think you should (and often they think you should finish before you start). At best, they won't hassle you much because they see that as an efficient way to get over with you faster.
Moreover, with a Thai girl, if I start out feeling a bit anxious / reluctant at first, she'll make me feel at ease quickly. With the Vietnamese, it's quite the opposite. It might start out OK (they do have to reel you in, after all) , but gets antagonistic fairly easily. They often like pushing completely unnecessary rules like not taking off your pants beyond your ankles (for the BJ) , turning the light off, insisting on a position they (not you) want and so on. Thais are usually happy to do small stuff that costs them little or no effort, if it makes you feel better.
Unfortunately, poverty, and even wide availability of pretty girls, are not sufficient conditions for a good mongering scene.Thais are by no means more "honest." They just know you "catch more flies with honey than vinegar." Thais are amazingly manipulative and are very patient. They can wait years for the big payoff. Can't say the same about Viets.
The Viets are far more Chinese in their approach. I like Viet girls. They tend to be very physical and intense in bed. They screw you like they hate you. I have always taken their rules to be a challenge. They are simply testing you to see what you are made of. Kind of like breaking a horse. Lots of fun. Koreans are similar.
I have found the most straight shooting chicks in SE Asia to be Indonesian. They are also a lot of fun. Monotheistic religions still consider sex dirty and taboo, hence it is more exciting and fun. Indo gals fit the bill. Never had a shy one there. No shower crap, just hit the bed and down to it. Also found them to be a bit more honest as guilt exists. One has to realize that most Asians don't experience "guilt" as we do. Loss of face and shame are not the same as guilt. If you don't get caught, it did not happen. This is what allows us to monger within a relationship as long as we don't flaunt it, but also allows her to do "x and y."
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FruitNinja
03-30-14, 03:26
I think many people who were literally there would say the Vietnam War and the way the USA GIs used Pattaya and Bangkok for R&R is the catalyst that got the business started.Paul,
I think I read that the first bar on Soi Cowboy was opened by a US GI. I can only dream of what it was like during the war. I would have loved to be in Vietnam. I've read that you could have a maid for a few dollars a week and she would do most wife duties including bedroom duties. Talk about LT. I'm sure there are a few vets here. Like you I have no problem reading about the golden years.
Off to get a massage.
Paul Kausch
03-30-14, 03:51
I have found the most straight shooting chicks in SE Asia to be Indonesian. They are also a lot of fun.I lived in Semarang for the better part of five years, from 2002 to 2007. I have a lot of experience with Indonesian ladies and I believe they are among the best on the planet, as sexual partners and as female companions.
First I think many of them are very attractive. They look very similar to the Malays. Beautiful darker skin which I like. Generally they have nice round hips, a good waist to hip ratio and nice breasts, not huge but full and rounded. I found the semi-pros in Jakarta to be a lot of fun; but after awhile I stopped going there because I had so much fun with the non-pros in Semarang. Eventually I had a steady girlfriend. That is a story and a happy one, but this is a Thai thread not an Indonesian thread.
One misconception is that they're Muslims. If you ask someone in Indonesia what is their faith they will give you that as an answer; but when you really get to know them you learn what they really believe in is the indigenous pre-Islamic, pre-Buddhist, pre-Hindu animistic belief-system that is native to Java. The way I would describe it to my friends in the USA is you'd heard the call to prayer at the appointed times, but nobody bothered to pray. In my factory we had a quiet room where anyone in the factory could pray. Fewer than 5% of my employees used it. Though the few who did pray were very devout. These were mostly young women. I never observed any tension between the few who prayed and the many who did not. They were all friends. Oh and I never fucked any of my employees. I don't get my meat and bread from the same store.
Semarang is an industrial city of a couple million (at that time) and not a tourist destination. Businessmen do visit it, and those who do tend to go on a regular basis. I was a bit unusual to live there much of the year. People got to know me and I would be quickly recognized by many people whom I had never met. Being 188cm made me stand out. There was a big club that only the locals and the few of us who knew the city went to on Saturday night. It was about two or three times the size of Climax. There was a high ceiling. A great laser show and some of the best DJs I've ever heard. They had Javanese rhythms in their blood and the music they mixed sounded like nothing I've heard anywhere else. Imagine electronic dance meets gamelan. I'm not highly knowledgeable in the genres that are popular in clubs but I know music, played musical instruments, and could tell these DJs were talented.
Socially it was interesting. First, as you would expect nobody consumed alcohol, though I could buy an imported beer or Johnny Walker with soda. Nobody cared that I drank. I was a heathen. The people there were almost all in their early twenties. The young men danced with one another as did the young ladies. People having fun filled the air. The young men were genuinely happy when I joined them in the dancing. When I was ready to leave I had dozens of ladies to choose from. These were all non-pros who were thrilled to have an opportunity to go back with me to my suite. I was living out of a local hotel, not one that catered to western businessmen. The lady I would pick would be so excited as were her friends. It was kind of weird. The ladies were very sweet and great in bed. Young Javanese ladies really liked and really knew how to fuck. They weren't big on DFK. Most would try to give me a BBBJ, but they were not very skilled. However, when it came to the fucking, they really loved it and really knew how to do it. These ladies really got into having me fuck them. Offering them money would have been an insult. The next morning I just took them to the Asian breakfast buffet in my hotel; and when they left gave them about twice as much money as they would need to take a taxis home. They got home on someones motor scooter for the fraction of the cost of a taxis.
I think I read that the first bar on Soi Cowboy was opened by a US GI. I can only dream of what it was like during the war. I would have loved to be in Vietnam.Golden Age back in the draft days, when the US military was a People's Army. Fast forward to now and see the mercenary force culled from the underclass trash and poor dreks desperate for a green card, or contracted labor enjoying their off-time in Thailand, not so golden?
Paul Kausch
03-30-14, 04:10
Paul,
I think I read that the first bar on Soi Cowboy was opened by a US GI. I can only dream of what it was like during the war. I would have loved to be in Vietnam. I've read that you could have a maid for a few dollars a week and she would do most wife duties including bedroom duties. Talk about LT. I'm sure there are a few vets here. Like you I have no problem reading about the golden years.
Off to get a massage.That is true. He was a tall Black dude who wore a cowboy hat, hence the name Soi Cowboy.
Many of my friends came back slightly to very fucked up. On rare occasions they would open up and talk about what really happened over there. Horrible stories. I sure would have come back fucked up. It's terrible the way my country has treated our Vietnam veterans, and most veterans for that matter.
Crocodilexp
03-30-14, 04:37
Thais are by no means more "honest." They just know you "catch more flies with honey than vinegar." Thais are amazingly manipulative and are very patient. They can wait years for the big payoff. Can't say the same about Viets.You're right about the long term, Thais can be long-term manipulative if we let them. Any woman in the world can be, and if sourced them from the bottom (as Farang normally do) , plus a disillusioned reject (why is she going for Farang in the first place) is quite likely to be.
However, I disagree on Thais not being honest in general. They tend to be very pleasant in one-shot interactions (not just sex workers, but all over the place) , with no chance of repeat business. Except for occasional scum in tourist areas, Thais won't rip you off (not by much) even if you're careless and they won't see you again. Chinese or Vietnamese, almost everywhere, go for any advantage they can get.
Try it with a street food vendor by not asking the price. If a Thai overcharges you it will be in a somewhat shy way for up to 2x the normal price. A Vietnamese will stick you with a 5x price, very much get in your face if you complain.
They [Viets] screw you like they hate you. I have always taken their rules to be a challenge. They are simply testing you to see what you are made of. Kind of like breaking a horse. Lots of fun. Koreans are similar.
You're entirely correct, they are testing you, and being firm helps... however, unlike you, I don't find this much fun. I'm paying for pleasure and relaxation, and find no pleasure in struggle for dominance and battle of the wills with a sex worker (I can do it when called for, but it ruins the mood). Definitely not everyone's cup of tea.
Thank you for the note on Indonesians, it's the only place in SE Asia I haven't tried yet, I have to get there soon (before it changes like Thailand is changing).
Hi,
I have an old cell with the old type of large SIM card.
I am looking to purchase a prepaid SIM card. Questions are: where can I find cheap SIM prepaid cards? Which operator is the best in BKK?
Thanks!
/KirsiaBuy a 121 in any 7-11 and start the phone. Top it up with a couple of hundred bahts. The card itself is cheap.
I lived in Semarang for the better part of five years, from 2002 to 2007. I have a lot of experience with Indonesian ladies and I believe they are among the best on the planet, as sexual partners and as female companions.Largely OT from a geographical POV but a really enjoyable report. So thanks for it.e
Paul Kausch
03-30-14, 05:14
Largely OT from a geographical POV but a really enjoyable report. So thanks for it.eYes I know it didn't belong here. Sorry I go carried away. Goat's post brought back some fond memories. I'm glad you enjoyed.
World Jockey
03-30-14, 05:56
+rep for this post. I have plans to visit there in the coming months and this post help solidify my decision.
I lived in Semarang for the better part of five years, from 2002 to 2007. I have a lot of experience with Indonesian ladies and I believe they are among the best on the planet, as sexual partners and as female companions.
there is apparently a newish bj place very close to [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) so i set out to check it out today.
i was unaware that you can pass between soi 6 and soi8 so the directions left me a bit clue less. i never made it past [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) from the 8 side before. it's a basic bj place with fs option. the door is located right next to a hotel entrance and some sort of travel agency so if you are bothered by the sales girls looking super embarrassed as you enter / leave you might wish to pass.
the place looks decently new inside but there was a horde of grandmas in every corner, seriously there was more grandmas than providers there and i mean 60+ age wise. the providers are young and cute though.
ladies look like bj bar ladies everywhere, some ugly some cute and the technique was ok. bill was 765bath for a blow and a bottle of water.
left a tip as my tip was to large for her mouth and she had to work it for a good while.
i could see myself going there again but there is nothing to differentiate the place from the others.
Wolvenvacht
03-30-14, 09:18
Hi,
I have an old cell with the old type of large SIM card.
I am looking to purchase a prepaid SIM card. Questions are: where can I find cheap SIM prepaid cards? Which operator is the best in BKK?
Thanks!
/KirsiaI don't think there are big differences between operators. They probably all work through the same network anyhow. I just go for the cheapest one, but only use it for telephone and SMS service. You can get these at the airport. Sometimes you are even handed a SIM-card for free or you can go to one of the operator booths, buy it there and have it installed by one of those nice looking girls. Welcome to Thailand!
Yes I know it didn't belong here. Sorry I go carried away. Goat's post brought back some fond memories. I'm glad you enjoyed.Better such an OT than the tens of "hey bro' share digits" of the class managers.
Western787
03-30-14, 16:19
Thais tend to be way more honest .Minus the bar girl con game, IMHO they tend to be honest. And to a large extent that con game is part of the business model made necessary by girls needing to cash-in while they are still young and attractive. And it isn't like Farangs are not warned ahead of time, so if they don't get the "Money #1" type warnings, its their own fault.
The good news is once you discount the bullsh...t I'd say 9 out of 10 times you're left with a somewhat decent person.
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Western787
03-30-14, 17:01
Of course in the end mongers let gals get away with poor service and that is a shame. I pretty much stopped taking FLs a couple of years ago due to a very bad run. Actually walked out on 7 out of 10 chicks in a short period of time. Got to the room, no kissing, no fingering, no this, no that. When I am getting no no no, I very politely explain that I expect the gal to do me like we are in a porn or like she is with her BF. When things don't get better I get dressed and leave, telling her that I am not at all angry, and that I don't want her to do anything she is not comfortable with. Depending on what happened, I leave 100-200 baht. I just won't pay for lack of service. Sadly many guys do and that as greatly changed the scene. So many guys are not leaving their Western ideas of relationships, gender roles, expectations, etc at home. They are bringing them to Thailand more and more. A shame really as so many of us came over to get away from those.In Bangkok the business is loaded with semi pros, part-timers, girls just entering the business and so forth, and even with the full time hookers its not like all or probably most are even going PSE with their boyfriends anyways, so you are fighting the tide.
there is apparently a newish bj place very close to [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) so i set out to check it out today.
i was unaware that you can pass between soi 6 and soi8 so the directions left me a bit clue less. i never made it past [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) from the 8 side before. it's a basic bj place with fs option. the door is located right next to a hotel entrance and some sort of travel agency so if you are bothered by the sales girls looking super embarrassed as you enter / leave you might wish to pass.
the place looks decently new inside but there was a horde of grandmas in every corner, seriously there was more grandmas than providers there and i mean 60+ age wise. the providers are young and cute though.
ladies look like bj bar ladies everywhere, some ugly some cute and the technique was ok. bill was 765bath for a blow and a bottle of water.
left a tip as my tip was to large for her mouth and she had to work it for a good while.
i could see myself going there again but there is nothing to differentiate the place from the others.good to know this, the more of these places the better for us. no need to be embarrassed or bothered by any sales girl or anyone near by. if they are that close by and in that area, they know what is up so walk in with your head held high, render your hand salute and get busy. we are like foot soldiers doing a good deed when we patronize these places and the girls appreciate it.
Western787
03-30-14, 17:08
I thought pimping was illegal in Thailand.True, and the moonwalking mamasan in Rainbow 1 will be the first arrested when the BIG BUST goes down.
Western787
03-30-14, 17:24
Good to know this, the more of these places the better for us. No need to be embarrassed or bothered by any sales girl or anyone near by. If they are that close by and in that area, they know what is up so walk in with your head held high, render your hand salute and get busy. We are like foot soldiers doing a good deed when we patronize these places and the girls appreciate it. Agree, and consider not far away on Soi 7/1 its the non mongers refusing to do good deeds that are forced to hang their heads low and do the walk of shame
FruitNinja
03-31-14, 01:57
That is true. He was a tall Black dude who wore a cowboy hat, hence the name Soi Cowboy.
Many of my friends came back slightly to very fucked up. On rare occasions they would open up and talk about what really happened over there. Horrible stories. I sure would have come back fucked up. It's terrible the way my country has treated our Vietnam veterans, and most veterans for that matter.Paul,
We need a separate thread about how fucked up our country is and especially towards those that have served in battle. How about multiple deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan and then not upping the guys just before they get vested? Recently the ruled in favor of denying benefits to the homeless vets. Can you imagine? The outrage was so big they backed off right away. The president parades out one disabled vet a year to bullshit the public into thinking that we go all out for our boys. The reality is much different.
I'm so tired of our government. A move to Asia and non-involvement is looking better and better.
Hi,
I have an old cell with the old type of large SIM card.
I am looking to purchase a prepaid SIM card. Questions are: where can I find cheap SIM prepaid cards? Which operator is the best in BKK?
Thanks!
/KirsiaI just cut down my large SIM card until it fitted into my new phone (for smaller sims) and it worked OK if that relates in any way to your issue.
Paul,
We need a separate thread about how fucked up our country is and especially towards those that have served in battle. How about multiple deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan and then not upping the guys just before they get vested? Recently the ruled in favor of denying benefits to the homeless vets. Can you imagine? The outrage was so big they backed off right away. The president parades out one disabled vet a year to bullshit the public into thinking that we go all out for our boys. The reality is much different.
I'm so tired of our government. A move to Asia and non-involvement is looking better and better.Its the only way to go. They have plenty of money to line the pockets of the defense contractors, but not enough to take care of vets. Shows you how corrupt the US really is."War is a racket." It is fought by the poor to enrich the upper class and they sell the poor folks on it with terms about loving one's country, and defending freedom. All a load of crap. Time for folks to wise up and not join up, but there are suckers joining every day.
Was "in the area" so I thought to hit up star of light for a good start of the day. Service was as expected, some chitchat during the blow from both ladies. After the deed I wanted to get a drink for the road."whiskey and coke please". I repeated "cola and whiskey". They started mixing some gin / whiskey + coke brew in two glasses and giving me a bin for two 300bath(each!) lady drinks. Suddenly they didn't understand English and the cash lady got involved to sort it out. Then cashlady gave me a 200bath bin for everything when I was to leave. Sorted that out and left, must be low oxygen atmosphere in there or something.
there is apparently a newish bj place very close to [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) so i set out to check it out today.
i was unaware that you can pass between soi 6 and soi8 so the directions left me a bit clue less. i never made it past [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) from the 8 side before. it's a basic bj place with fs option. the door is located right next to a hotel entrance and some sort of travel agency so if you are bothered by the sales girls looking super embarrassed as you enter / leave you might wish to pass.
the place looks decently new inside but there was a horde of grandmas in every corner, seriously there was more grandmas than providers there and i mean 60+ age wise. the providers are young and cute though.
ladies look like bj bar ladies everywhere, some ugly some cute and the technique was ok. bill was 765bath for a blow and a bottle of water.
left a tip as my tip was to large for her mouth and she had to work it for a good while.
i could see myself going there again but there is nothing to differentiate the place from the others.i have heard about this place recently. will need to avoid the grandmas when i pay a visit lol!
did you get any names of any of the cuties by any chance?
DogsBreakfast
03-31-14, 14:56
This is a follow up to Natty Bumpo's very good reports on the Saphan Kwai area. I have been coming to Saphan Kwai for about the last 7 years. Started rather by accident when the first time I came to BKK I chose the Asha guesthouse to stay (yes, because it started with the letter A!). The Asha is unfortunately closed down now but I still love this area and so stay in the (ironically named) Nice Palace hotel. I love the area because it is fully Thailand and not a veritable island full of Aussies, kiwis, Brits, Yanks. My dear colleagues, I see all these every day of the year so let me have something different when I'm on holiday.
I agree with most everything Natty says about Saphan Kwai except the following. I have never been made to take a girl to a particular hotel. I have always taken them back to my hotel. The only time I had to use the short term hotel was when the girl didn't have an I'd and Asha wouldn't let her in. A sensible policy so I couldn't argue too much. The other point where my experience differs from Natty's is that LT in Saphan Kwai usually does mean all night. As with anywhere girls will sometimes try to get away early to spend their money or whatever. What is a LT can be negotiated with the mama / papa san if you're worried.
Prices are, as Natty noted, about 1,500 ST and 2,500 LT but there is quite a bit of variation. Sometimes a mamasan will ask double those prices, in a bar where I have previously had the normal rate. In that case, I head for the door, there are other bars that will charge the normal rate. I put this down to the fact they don't see farangs here much. And sometimes you can get less than the normal rate, eg 1,500 LT. This is usually at some of the smaller bars in the area. Note that there are some rough specimens in those smaller bars. One had hold of my arm last night and I was contemplating chewing the arm off to escape. But there is always the potential for a diamond in the rough in those smaller bars so I still look in.
I don't have much Thai so that's a challenge in Saphan Kwai although the mamasans usually have enough to get you a girl and extract your cash. I will often give the mamasan 100 baht tip as they are mostly pretty helpful. Have a few 20 baht notes in your pocket too to flick to the door boys who will badger you for something on the way out.
Final notes: 1) if you're staying at the Nice Palace (and who wouldn't haha) , the sour faced bloke on the desk will try to extract a few hundred baht from greenhorns bringing a girl back. Either smile and ignore it, flick him a 20 or take your room key out with you.
2) spend a bit of time at Saphan Kwai in daylight hours. There is great street food and some of the massage places are excellent (traditional but happy ending can be arranged and at least one will do FS)
3) I'm here now for a couple of nights if anyone wants to link up here.
Saphan Kwai is not for everyone but if you want a little roughage in your mongering diet then drop by for a look.
Asian Flava
03-31-14, 15:57
Hey guys,
Looking to head to BKK for a short fun break over the Songkran break. Was just wondering how the New Year affects the bars in places like Soi Cowboy or Nana and if the various massage parlours / soapies are open or closed or short staffed if lots of people go to their hometowns or provinces during the holiday?
I've tried to RTFF but can't seem to find much on Songkran. Apologies if this question was brought up earlier.
Thanks and much appreciated,
AF
I think many people who were literally there would say the Vietnam War and the way the USA GIs used Pattaya and Bangkok for R&R is the catalyst that got the business started. I have several friends, most a few years older than me, who served in Vietnam. Some were there as early as 1965-66. I was of an age when I used to think of time as a year of high school. A good friend who flew choppers remembers in 1966 going to Pattaya. He described it as just a small fishing village. The first time my buddy literally camped out on the beach for a few days. A strapping young farang in his early 20s living on the beach was a curiosity. It didn't take him long to attract the interest of one particular young local lady. He said she showed up at his camp site with a recently killed and cleaned chicken. In some tellings of the story the chicken was still alive. He killed it. She cleaned it. Anyway, he rustled up the implements to build a fire and cook the chicken. Afterwards they ate it. She ate a little. He ate most if it. No sex on the first visit. He had learned a couple of Thai phrases. She knew no English. Still he had a great time. Of course my friend wasn't the first GI to visit Pattaya. He heard about it from a few other guys. Over time he kept going back. He claims when he started going there few people had heard about it, but word spread fast. Other GIs started to go. The appeal was that it was peaceful and the people were very friendly. That was it. After just a few visits he and the other GIs were fucking the local girls; giving them small gifts; buying food for them; and giving them a few baht. Eventually the USA military deliberately turned it into a big brothel for the GIs. Of course the GIs also were going to Bangkok, which in the mid-sixties was also very different. This particular buddy of mine preferred Pattaya.
Below are some photos of Pattaya in the 1960s I found on the internet.Paul,
I was in Pattaya before, during, and after the Vietnam war. Except for the airman from U-tapao air base near Sattahip, Pattaya was little affected by the war. It was never turned into a brothel by Uncle Sam. That credit belongs to the Thai mafia from Cholburi who controlled (and still do) the sex trade in the area.
In Bangkok during the war there were 52 hotels (some like the Grace, Federal, and Miami are still in business) that belonged to a consortium organized by the US military and Tommy's Tours to take care of the troops. Rooms were $5 each. 24-hour bar / restaurant. A / C, pool, and liberal guest policy. There were 1, 000 R&R troops (including some women) in Bangkok at any given time. There were also about 50, 000 US Air Force personnel in Thailand. They did not get (or need) R&R. They were well taken care of the Isaan girls around Udorn, Korat, Ubon, etc.
The troops generally agreed that among the sites that were available for R&R (including Honolulu, and Sydney) Bangkok gave the best bang for the buck. Still does.
Hey guys,
Looking to head to BKK for a short fun break over the Songkran break. Was just wondering how the New Year affects the bars in places like Soi Cowboy or Nana and if the various massage parlours / soapies are open or closed or short staffed if lots of people go to their hometowns or provinces during the holiday?
I've tried to RTFF but can't seem to find much on Songkran. Apologies if this question was brought up earlier.
Thanks and much appreciated,
AFCall me a miserable old git if you like, because that's what I am.
Personally I never use the word 'fun' and 'Songkran' in the same sentence. All I can say is that Songkran is better in Bangkok than Pattaya where it lasts 5 miserable days of being drenched by stupid drunk farangs.
Hey guys,
Looking to head to BKK for a short fun break over the Songkran break. Was just wondering how the New Year affects the bars in places like Soi Cowboy or Nana and if the various massage parlours / soapies are open or closed or short staffed if lots of people go to their hometowns or provinces during the holiday?I return to Thailand for Easter, fortunately just missing the "fun" for Songran. Keep all you important valuables in plastic bags with seals against the water drenching. Watch out for flying ice. Its hard. Watch out for dirty water. Stay away from the crazy areas.
Saphan Kwai is not for everyone but if you want a little roughage in your mongering diet then drop by for a look.What does roughage mean? What do like about this area besides the lack of Farangs? Is there anything special about the girls or is it just the prices?
I have really been meaning to visit there for a long time. So might try soon. Perfect for a meeting with a buddy of mine who hasn't been to Thailand much lately but was frequent 30 years ago, and we both speak Thai well.
Paul Kausch
03-31-14, 18:28
It was never turned into a brothel by Uncle Sam. That credit belongs to the Thai mafia from Cholburi who controlled (and still do) the sex trade in the area.Yes, all over the world the mob is involved in prostitution. My writing was very sloppy. It does sound like I implied the US military was running a a bunch of brothels. I didn't mean to imply that. What I meant to imply was that everyone from the buck privates to the generals knew what was going on and was fine with it.
Call me a miserable old git if you like, because that's what I am.
Personally I never use the word 'fun' and 'Songkran' in the same sentence. All I can say is that Songkran is better in Bangkok than Pattaya where it lasts 5 miserable days of being drenched by stupid drunk farangs.Agreed. Abhor it. Honestly, if it were one day I would probably love it. Three days is overkill. Best place for Songkhran is MA or Sing. Anyplace they don't celebrate it.
Paul Kausch
03-31-14, 19:00
Agreed. Abhor it. Honestly, if it were one day I would probably love it. Three days is overkill. Best place for Songkhran is MA or Sing. Anyplace they don't celebrate it.Ah, but Singapore is planning to start a Songkhran festival, as are other cities in the region, and Thailand is crying foul!
Buy a 121 in any 7-11 and start the phone. Top it up with a couple of hundred bahts. The card itself is cheap.In January when I arrived, there was a booth at the airport offering free sim cards with minutes for tourists. The booth was right on the walk path thru the airport. The card worked fine in an unlocked BB. Reloaded the card at 7-11. Chicas seemed to like I had a thai cell phone, thinking maybe there long-time rather than one week fun-in-sun. Text messages also makes for less misunderstanding for dates, directions etc. Big difference I noticed was that Thai girls always had minutes and would call you talk on their minutes versus Colombianas
Would call you and hang-up expecting you to call them back on your minutes.
Ah, but Singapore is planning to start a Songkhran festival, as are other cities in the region, and Thailand is crying foul!Singapore is planning a Songkran but apparently without water. At least the world will know there is nothing fake about Singapore.
Wolvenvacht
03-31-14, 20:09
Hey guys,
Looking to head to BKK for a short fun break over the Songkran break. Was just wondering how the New Year affects the bars in places like Soi Cowboy or Nana and if the various massage parlours / soapies are open or closed or short staffed if lots of people go to their hometowns or provinces during the holiday?
I've tried to RTFF but can't seem to find much on Songkran. Apologies if this question was brought up earlier.
Thanks and much appreciated,
AFSongkran in Soi Cowboy is a riot. I was there two years ago and had lots of fun, but it is not the best moment for mongering. There are still enough girls in the bars and MPs but they are in a festive mood and not really looking for work.
Harry Dude
03-31-14, 21:03
Hi,
I have an old cell with the old type of large SIM card.
I am looking to purchase a prepaid SIM card. Questions are: where can I find cheap SIM prepaid cards? Which operator is the best in BKK?
Thanks!
/KirsiaYou can buy SIM cards from any of the major operators (AIS, DTAC, and so on) in the airport. They have all sizes of SIMs. I have used DTAC and it works fine, I am sure the other ones do too.
I return to Thailand for Easter, fortunately just missing the "fun" for Songran. Keep all you important valuables in plastic bags with seals against the water drenching. Watch out for flying ice. Its hard. Watch out for dirty water. Stay away from the crazy areas.In a few words. Stay home! LOL
Singapore is planning a Songkran but apparently without water. At least the world will know there is nothing fake about Singapore.Knowing what Singapore is like, after having lived there for 4 years, I'm sure the festival will be located in a nice, controlled area, like the grand prix pits.
Songkran, or Pei Mei in Laos, is fun to do once, after that it's a bit of a pain. It's hopeless if you are actually working there and they start throwing water around a day or 2 early. A wet suit is not a good look for a business meeting.
Traveler1234
04-01-14, 14:22
At the arrival terminal, BTW doors 5-9 are kiosks for 3-4 providers. You can get a 7 day plan with 2gb and B100 of voice / text for B$300 and then top off; there are also 30 days plans. They are super efficient and you'll be done in 10 minutes. I've used AIS and Trucall prepaids, about same service / coverage.
Just came across this photo on Wiki and it reminded me of why I avoid Thailand during Songkran. How much fun is this, eh?
Wolvenvacht
04-01-14, 19:51
Just came across this photo on Wiki and it reminded me of why I avoid Thailand during Songkran. How much fun is this, eh?It only shows you have not yet caught the right spirit of Songkran. ;)
nana hotel may have been a good hotel once (perhaps during the vietnam war, when gis did their r&r here?) but it is now long past its prime. unless of course you like fluorescent lights, glacial airco, windows with a view on a blind concrete wall and furniture that is still the original one when the hotel was built. and they try to get you in the hotel taxi to the airport at prices at least 3 times the metered taxi price.aircon has 4 speeds at your control. low, medium, high & off.
in many visits only once did i ever get the view of a wall. could have asked for & recieved a room with a more pleasant view, if it mattered.
bed very comfortable. not like the typical hard asian mattress.
furniture. nice if you like the classical wood look.
tv. flat screen. 20 or so channels, including english speaking bbc, sports, movies, news.
in room safe. bolted solidly to the wall. easy to use with pin or cc.
internet. excellent wifi in room & throughout the hotel. free 30 minutes daily. various plans for more time, like 450 baht for 3 days, maximum use 24 hours within that period.
laundry service. fast, efficient, very cheap.
room service. menu in room, hot food delivered to your door.
security guards at the elevator entrance, taking identification cards.
taxi to airport. posted price 500 baht. a step up in safety, comfort & class from typical roadside pickups. feel free to negotiate for a lower price. no obligation to use the hotel taxis, of course. it is entirely up to you.
location. across the street from nep. within 5 minutes walk to 3 seven eleven stores, pharmacies, street walkers & shops galore. ten minutes to 2 supermarkets & skytrain.
have their own website:
http://www.nanahotel.co.th/html/information.html
"be sure to ask for a refurbished room facing the sukhumvit side of the building to get a good view of the city."
"and the hotel is full of old men from europe with thai girls. it is awful!"
http://www.tripadvisor.com/hotel_review-g293916-d311439-reviews-nana_hotel-bangkok.html
I prefer the Majestic Grande tucked away at the corner right across from Annies. I have stayed at a couple of 5 star hotels which don't even match up to this little gem. Ala JW Mariott.
To name just one.
The location is perfect and private and most girls love the hotel and I noticed some of the girls I picked from the Nana Area seems to chit. Chat with the door staff which suggested to me they know each other. Many girls also comment on their breakfast service so its a good place to entice a LT as it seems like a place they enjoying going to and being at.
This is my go to place in BKK when mongering. Unless I feel like splurging on a true luxury hotel experience. But mongering in such venues is not as "free"Thanks for the recommendation. Am planning to stay here in a few months for the first time. Hope being back on Soi 2 isn't too far for fun. I've mainly been a NEP oriented person. I have walked down to Terminal 21 for food (sushi!) but not to Cowboy. Looking forward to checking out the hotel.
Bartchamdo
04-03-14, 11:26
i checked out the new bj bar kasalong today. to get there you go down soi 8, turn down a subsoi to get to [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s, keep walking past [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s and go around the corner. it's about 40 meters past [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s. blowjobs are 700 baht. upstairs there are 4 rooms, and down the hall and around the corner is another wing with 2 more rooms. 6 rooms total. my room had a couch and a sink. service was good.
there were around 6 or 7 girls working during day shift when i visited. 1 or 2 were fairly old (40s or so?) , but the others looked to be in their 20's. one of the younger ladies was actually pretty cute. also there was an old lady, not in uniform, who seemed to be just hanging out. so yes, i can confirm what the other report said about there being "grandmas", but they didn't outnumber the younger working girls.
the main bar room itself had a nice atmosphere, plenty of seats, and a pool table. there's a hotel and a coffee shop across the street and the coffee shop delivers food to kasalong. i checked out the menu and saw lots of western food and thai dishes with most costing under 100 baht.
overall, the place is pleasant, but not exceptional. they've only been open a few weeks and, as you might expect, they don't have many customers yet. my lady told me i was her first customer all week and went out of her way to please. shift change happens at 6 pm, so i'd show up around 6 pm if you want to see as many girls from both shifts as possible.
i checked out the new bj bar kasalong today. to get there you go down soi 8, turn down a subsoi to get to [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s, keep walking past [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s and go around the corner. it's about 40 meters past [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s. blowjobs are 700 baht. upstairs there are 4 rooms, and down the hall and around the corner is another wing with 2 more rooms. 6 rooms total. my room had a couch and a sink. service was good.
overall, the place is pleasant, but not exceptional. they've only been open a few weeks and, as you might expect, they don't have many customers yet. my lady told me i was her first customer all week and went out of her way to please. shift change happens at 6 pm, so i'd show up around 6 pm if you want to see as many girls from both shifts as possible.thanks for the update, i'll be in bangkok in a couple of weeks so i'll try to make it down there. been to [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s before but didn't think much of the place, i prefer after skool in soi cowboy for my bj's. on this trip though i'm staying up towards that end of town though.
FruitNinja
04-03-14, 12:31
had a "date" set up with a cutie from january 2013 that i kept in touch with. in my top 10 category. when i met her in 2013 she had just started work. very cute, innocent, and eager to learn. i was curious to see what a year plus had done to her. i was supposed to meet her at 12 but i took a nap at around 8 and we all know how that goes. it's been a fast and furious month. i finally get there around 1:30 and it's still hopping. i didn't really check out the 1st floor as it's not to my liking. the second floor is usually less crowded or at least that's my experience. she automatically spots me and is over in a second. we chit chat but her english is not much better than before. we have a couple of drinks and i decide to bar-fine her.
she does a little of the 'buy my friend, sister, cousin, a drink" thing and i play along with it. no big deal but that's a change from last time. she's obviously learned a lot. we taxi back to the hotel and settle in for the night. she has changed quite a bit. gone is the innocence and eagerness. replaced with the usual bg mentality. get as much as you can for the least amount of effort. we do our business, but she no longer is the loving little thing she used to be. kissing is minimal, bj the same. i'm a little miffed and tell her she can leave if she doesn't enjoy being here. well she erupts in tears. i take a few minutes to sooth her and we go back about our business. she's a little more willing but nothing like last year. oh well. if she wasn't a pretty as she is i would have let her go but i would have enjoyed fucking her if she were a starfish.
i assumed that a little over a year would have changed her but was a little surprised as we had a bit of history. last time i bar-fined her for 5 days in a row so i thought that might make a difference. not saying that the experience was bad, but nothing like before. i'd rate the experience a 7 on bar girl scale. my overall experience with bar girls has been bad this trip other than mikati but i'm sure it's that i know the club owner, so the girls tend to be well behaved.
bar-fine was 600 plus two drinks. drinks pricier than in pattaya but that's understandable. the quality is much better here. and this is a big city. there tend to be more businessmen mongers as well. big difference between the bacarra here and the one in pattaya. st appears to be 2500 and lt between 4-5000. i've hear that crazy house has somewhat set the rate in soi cowboy. will take a peek at that tonight.
as i've said before: this is my experience save me the "you're ruining the market" or any other negatives. if you have something helpful and positive to say relating to your experiences please do. otherwise have some keyboard restraint. this place can easily erupt into a pissing match and it's tiring and totally non-constructive. a lot of guys that used to post good field reports stopped because of it. if you can't help yourself please do it in pm to keep the forum free of the nonsense.
FruitNinja
04-03-14, 12:51
Sleep a little after breakfast and after waking gave the good Dr. A text. He replies "I'm at the bar now." I got ready and headed to 7/1. Spent a good part of the afternoon solving the worlds problems with the Doc. Good guy to chat with. Knowledgable and intelligent. And he's got a good sense of what's happening in town. He also has a good understanding of the bar girl mentality. Lot's of laughs around that one. I wasn't going to partake but that would be the equivelant of setting down a big juicy t-bone in front of a pit bull and telling him to "stay" as you walked out the room. Yeah right!
The girls do a line up and I'm thinking this is crazy, I'll never get off as I usually don't just from a BJ. I pick one of the girls. We get a drink and up we go. She does the compulsory wash and inspection and apparently I'm good to go. She sits me down and then proceeds to do her business. She's very good, building excitement with a lot of great tongue until I can't stand it anymore. She finally takes me in her mouth and proceeds to give me a AAA BJ. After a good five minutes I'm ready to pop and she says "no not yet, wait." Hmmm, that's a new one. Five more minutes of great sucking and she decides it's time. I was helpless to do anything about that. Very nice! A little chit chat and I find out she's from Laos. Maybe I need to add Laos to my next itinerary. Especially if they all give head like that. She also has two kids and you would never know it from her body. She pulls up her dress to show me her perfect belly. She's very proud of it.
Doc, I took a picture. I hope you don't mind. This sight has always made me laugh.
Sleep a little after breakfast and after waking gave the good Dr. A text. He replies "I'm at the bar now." I got ready and headed to 7/1. Spent a good part of the afternoon solving the worlds problems with the Doc. Good guy to chat with. Knowledgable and intelligent. And he's got a good sense of what's happening in town. He also has a good understanding of the bar girl mentality. Lot's of laughs around that one. I wasn't going to partake but that would be the equivelant of setting down a big juicy t-bone in front of a pit bull and telling him to "stay" as you walked out the room. Yeah right!Ha ha, put a juicy steak in front of me and I wouldn't stay. Anyway, another BJ place for me to try out on my next trip.
Maybe I need to add Laos to my next itinerary.There's not much of a scene there these days. I lived there between 99 and 02 and went back for the first time about 3 years ago. Been back several times since but there isn't much happening, lots of LB's cruizing the street. My trips were pretty short but I went to most places given in the Laos forum but it was a bit disappointing. Maybe they're all in Nong Khai.
CheeChee889
04-03-14, 16:19
Pattaya observations.
1. Those on Beach Road at 500 baht are vastly overpaid. LOL. OK maybe not vastly but you get the picture.
2. Just a small agogo sample so far. Baccara is ok. Happy a go go is a bit ok. Super girl just blew my mind. About 20 girls, perhaps 5 with really darn good faces, of those 2 with nice tits. LOL. Super girl per capita way better than any BKK bar around.
Wolvenvacht
04-03-14, 20:22
Pattaya observations.
1. Those on beach road at 500 baht are vastly overpaid. LOL. OK maybe not vastly but you get the picture.
2. Just a small agogo sample so far. Baccara is ok. Happy a go go is a bit ok. Super girl just blew my mind. About 20 girls, perhaps 5 with really darn good faces, of those 2 with nice tits. LOL. Super girl per capita way better than any BKK bar around.Someone please put this report in the right forum.
Global Surfer
04-06-14, 00:25
Reduced number of LBs in Front of Nana Plaza and Nana Hotel Parking although late night they still dominate the scene.
Quality and quantity of WGs on Soi 3 and surrounding areas has improved. Some look dangerously young.
Rate still the same ST 1K and LT 2K to 3K.
Words 'Special Promotion' are in fashion. Many offered 'special promotion' 1K ST.
The only downside is the attitude which I feel as obedience rather than GFE.
In my opinion Street WGs score better than those in Beer Garden (although it's largely an issue of personal taste)
Some WGs are from Laos or Cambodia
Global Surfer
04-06-14, 00:26
Area between Soi 3 and Soi 5 is full of foreign WGs.
Most WGs in the street and Arab / Indian restaurants are from Uzbekistan, Iran, Afghanistan and Africa. A few from India and one as far as from Columbia.
Most Africans work informally in the make shift late night bars on Sukhumvit. Lady drink is usually 100 BHT.
Mostly Iranian and Afghan use Abaya (Cover their faces) to please their preferred clients. I noticed even local Thai WGs using Abaya.
Average weight is significantly higher. You can notice heavy weight WGs in Abaya after dark in front of Grace Hotel.
Going rate is ST 1500 and LT 3000. Although some of them may try their luck. The Columbian asked me ST 4K on the pretext that flight from South / Central America is more expensive. In general I find no correlation between higher price and their looks.
Service again more obedience than GFE and significant flatter. The Kenyan did not seem to realize that I was getting fed up of her repeatedly telling me 'you are a real man'. All she wanted was to convert ST to LT. I felt the same with Uzbek. All other were local Thais.
Hot Spots.
Ali Baba Indian Restaurant: Walk from Sukhumvit towards Grace Hotel. This is the corner restaurant on the first street on right.
Dubai Restaurant: Restaurant on the right on Soi 3 just after Grace Hotel.
On the opposite side of Ali Baba you will notice an Arab night club (tinted glasses covering the front). Too many people asking you to go to Arab night club for Syrian WGs. The restaurant was lavishly furnished in Arab / Syrian style with red carpets and red sofas. Two Arab / Syrian girls singing but no clients. It appeared like a rip of bar in Istanbul. I didn't bother to stay there. However, next day (unfortunately last night) I was told by the Uzbek WG that it is a very nice bar and I should have stayed there. It is expensive but they do allow you to take Syrian girls out. The girls were very good looking although I understand they can only speak Arabic. I think some local punter can investigate further.
If you walk around and find single women in Abaya in any restaurant,
Paul Kausch
04-06-14, 02:19
Quality and quantity of WGs on Soi 3 and surrounding areas has improved. Some look dangerously young.
The only downside is the attitude which I feel as obedience rather than GFE.
Some WGs are from Laos or CambodiaInteresting. It was a slow high season, but if these are young girls working the streets I bet they're new to the business. I wonder if Thaksin's failures to pay the rice farmers and the desperation that has created has motivated these girls to come to Bangkok and make a little money to send home. That would explain their obedient nature. They don't know enough to offer a good GFE but are desperate enough to go along with whatever the client wants. As desperate as the gogo bars are to find dancers the fact that these girls are not dancing in the bars may mean if they were hired the bars would risk another bust. Sounds like one needs to be careful with these girls. My philosophy is if there is any doubt in my mind I take a pass. Of course all of this is speculation on my part.
In December 2013 I did ST with a sweet girl who was a good fuck. I found her in one of the NEP gogos. She looked Khmer, was living in the ST hotel room we fucked in and when I asked her about LT in my hotel she replied."Can't leave Nana Plaza." Hmmm
I'm glad you mention it. For the average guy, buying socks ranks right up there with taking out the garbage and cleaning the bathroom on the list of life's thankless chores. However, a well-planned, well-executed socks-buying mission can take care of all your lederhosen needs for a couple of years. Here's how to go about it.
First, take out all your shoes. Unless you're the kind of guy who wears purple polka-dot socks with black leather shoes, you'll want to at least nominally match your socks to your shoe ensemble. Take note of how many shoes you own, in which colors, and what color of socks would match them best. (For example, blue socks go well with dark brown shoes, and light brown socks with light brown shoes.) Next, make all your purchases in one store. The last thing you want to do is buy dress socks at a men's clothing store, gym socks at a sporting-goods store, and ordinary, everyday socks at your local retail store. See if there's a good outlet store in your area, or a department store that carries a variety of styles. Sure, you may have to visit different departments, but you'll only have to get out of your car once. Third, look for bargains. Most stores have promotions on socks, offering 3 pairs for $7 or $10. Before you load up your cart, feel the fabric and figure out if these socks will last more than 2 weeks (you'd be surprised how quickly a hole can develop in a cheaply woven sock). If you decide it's a good deal, get as many bundles as you can afford-it's not like your feet are going to grow. Remember, you don't want to shop for socks again any time soon. Also, buy 2 or 3 pairs of nice socks. It may seem criminal to spend $15 on a single pair of socks, but you can generally count on them lasting for a few years and looking spiffy along with your dress shoes. Make sure not to wear these socks while you're jogging or lounging around in your apartment-you want to preserve them for a special occasion. Finally, avoid white gym socks (unless you jog or belong to a gym). Remember those thick, white, dorky socks with the colored stripes on top that always fell down around your ankles in gym class? Unless you'd like to relive your elementary school days, act like an adult and opt for nice, solid colors like blue or brown. Remember, sneaker socks should only be worn with sneakers. ;.) For the record, socks should match your trousers. Don't know why I felt compelled to answer state this, but have my moments of insanity for the hell of it. Enjoy
Area between Soi 3 and Soi 5 is full of foreign WGs.
Most WGs in the street and Arab / Indian restaurants are from Uzbekistan, Iran, Afghanistan and Africa. A few from India and one as far as from Columbia.
Most Africans work informally in the make shift late night bars on Sukhumvit. Lady drink is usually 100 BHT.
Mostly Iranian and Afghan use Abaya (Cover their faces) to please their preferred clients. I noticed even local Thai WGs using Abaya.
Average weight is significantly higher. You can notice heavy weight WGs in Abaya after dark in front of Grace Hotel.
Going rate is ST 1500 and LT 3000. Although some of them may try their luck. The Columbian asked me ST 4K on the pretext that flight from South / Central America is more expensive. In general I find no correlation between higher price and their looks.
Service again more obedience than GFE and significant flatter. The Kenyan did not seem to realize that I was getting fed up of her repeatedly telling me 'you are a real man'. All she wanted was to convert ST to LT. I felt the same with Uzbek. All other were local Thais.
Hot Spots.
Ali Baba Indian Restaurant: Walk from Sukhumvit towards Grace Hotel. This is the corner restaurant on the first street on right.
Dubai Restaurant: Restaurant on the right on Soi 3 just after Grace Hotel.
On the opposite side of Ali Baba you will notice an Arab night club (tinted glasses covering the front). Too many people asking you to go to Arab night club for Syrian WGs. The restaurant was lavishly furnished in Arab / Syrian style with red carpets and red sofas. Two Arab / Syrian girls singing but no clients. It appeared like a rip of bar in Istanbul. I didn't bother to stay there. However, next day (unfortunately last night) I was told by the Uzbek WG that it is a very nice bar and I should have stayed there. It is expensive but they do allow you to take Syrian girls out. The girls were very good looking although I understand they can only speak Arabic. I think some local punter can investigate further.
If you walk around and find single women in Abaya in any restaurant, Very interesting report. Thanks for the info. Might give the area a look. Might be a hoot to do a girl in a hijab.
Hi Guys,
Aom, formerly of SOL is now at Rose Bar in Patpong. Called in last night and only Aom and an older girl we're working. No choice really. Aom was great! Rose Bar is very run down and a little sleazy, but service with a smile.
Mamasan said 800 baht, but I said BJ was only 700 in SOL and price quickly came down to 700. Drink prices reasonable. 90 baht for lady drink and no bill padding. I declined the private room as I am a bit of an exhibitionist and chose to be blown at the bar. Can recommend.
Johnie.
FruitNinja
04-06-14, 04:57
Today ends a great trip covering Tokyo, Manilla, Cebu, HCMC, Pattaya, and BKK. I bar fined my girl from last year in Bacarra for 4 days. We hung out, did sight seeing stuff, went to a live shows at a few discos, drank a lot, fucked a lot and had a pretty good time. She's still in bed and will probably leave when she gets up. After a little more fun of course.
I took a quick look into Crazy House at about 11 last night and didn't really see anything that I would take home.
I leave for the airport at 9 so I have time for at least 1 BJ at Dr BJ. I know, I know, why would I do that when I have a girl in my room already? I don't know! I mean if I told my friends what the real nature of this trip was 95% would think I was a nutcase. They might be right.
Someone mentioned street girls and there were plenty this trip. Much more than January 2013. There were a lot along Sukhamvit. Some I would have taken if I hadn't already had a plan.
For me Bacarra still has the best looking girls in BKK.
It's been fun. Thanks for all the help from guys in PM. Invaluable information. I hope to be able to pay it back.
The good news is that this awaits me when I get home. I'm a lucky man.
On a very recent trip to BKK I noticed there are considerably less tourists on Sukhumvit. Even the highly praised Rainbow 4 in Nana was only 50% full at 10pm. The selection of girls was good and it gives the interested punter a nice choice and bargaining power! I guess the Westin had an occupancy rate of 30% and they didn't even bother to open their restaurant in the evening! Room rates are 50% down in April. So overall a good time to visit BKK and to enjoy some fun at discounted prices!
For the record, socks should match your trousers. Don't know why I felt compelled to answer state this, but have my moments of insanity for the hell of it. EnjoyI used to be a follower of the trousers-socks matching philosophy, but matching your shoes finally made more sense to me.
I apologize for the digression.
For me Bacarra still has the best looking girls in BKK.So you like all the surgeries or did you find a natural one? Are you Asian? Personally, I don't like these girls with high levels of surgeries and so only go to Baccarra occasionally out of curiosity to see Japanese guys call out from the stage, the most ugly girls (with most altered faces) to sit with them. Some look very similar to LBs to my sight. Clearly personal taste varies tremendously. Ha Ha! Something is wrong with me, because I just don't get it. I like more exotic but natural looks and don't care if the skin is white or brown. I like both Chiang Rai girls and also some Isaan girls provided they have cute little upturned noses (not broad squashed noses or adjusted noses).
I did barfine a Baccara girl from the front of house recently, who did not fit the typical Bacarra mold at all, but her performance was quite ordinary, so would not repeat. In the past I have BFed three Bacarra dancing girls, who were all natural (at the time) , who were all quite reasonable on the bed. Only 1 remains in Bacarra, but she seems to be not popular. Her pussy is a bit loose (cavenous) even though no baby, so would not suit most Asian customers.
Strangely I have a close buddy that is Japanese, who does not like Baccara either, he also prefers more natural looks, and for him the girl personality and willingness to have fun is the key. His favourite hunting ground recently was the Thermae, where he can interact with girls for extended time to evaluate chemistry before making his choice. Unfortunately, I am Farang, so I don't expect much luck from the Thermae, but may go along sometime soon just to survey the talent there and see how it works.
Is your girl's name Ngaam or Ngoen? (trying to guess from the photo label - never hard of name Nghan) Ngaam means beauty and Ngoen means silver or money? LOL
I'm glad you mention it. For the average guy, buying socks ranks right up there with taking out the garbage and cleaning the bathroom on the list of life's thankless chores. However, a well-planned, well-executed socks-buying mission can take care of all your lederhosen needs for a couple of years. Here's how to go about it.No one wears lederhosen (leather pants) in Bangkok, surely?
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Sure socks are worn together with lederhosen, but that is typically very long socks.
I hardly wear socks in Bangkok at all, mainly sandals, as not attending posh nightclubs or upper class establishments often enough. Socks and shoes are for work and formal occasions. Your toes need good air supply to keep free of fungal infections. So don't wear socks for long periods and change them frequently if even slightly sweaty. If wearing socks, its important to have cotton and no synthetics in Bangkok.
FruitNinja
04-06-14, 17:16
So you like all the surgeries or did you find a natural one? Are you Asian? Personally, I don't like these girls with high levels of surgeries and so only go to Baccarra occasionally out of curiosity to see Japanese guys call out from the stage, the most ugly girls (with most altered faces) to sit with them. Some look very similar to LBs to my sight. Clearly personal taste varies tremendously. Ha Ha! Something is wrong with me, because I just don't get it. I like more exotic but natural looks and don't care if the skin is white or brown. I like both Chiang Rai girls and also some Isaan girls provided they have cute little upturned noses (not broad squashed noses or adjusted noses).
I did barfine a Baccara girl from the front of house recently, who did not fit the typical Bacarra mold at all, but her performance was quite ordinary, so would not repeat. In the past I have BFed three Bacarra dancing girls, who were all natural (at the time) , who were all quite reasonable on the bed. Only 1 remains in Bacarra, but she seems to be not popular. Her pussy is a bit loose (cavenous) even though no baby, so would not suit most Asian customers.
Strangely I have a close buddy that is Japanese, who does not like Baccara either, he also prefers more natural looks, and for him the girl personality and willingness to have fun is the key. His favourite hunting ground recently was the Thermae, where he can interact with girls for extended time to evaluate chemistry before making his choice. Unfortunately, I am Farang, so I don't expect much luck from the Thermae, but may go along sometime soon just to survey the talent there and see how it works.
Is your girl's name Ngaam or Ngoen? (trying to guess from the photo label. Never hard of name Nghan) Ngaam means beauty and Ngoen means silver or money? LOLSyzygies,
Her name is actually ngan and that's the way she's got it on her FB and drivers license. She's an interesting mix of 50% Vietnamese. 25% African American, and 25% Romanian. Or at least that's what I remember her telling me when we first met. She totally looks asian though. Slim, tight, energetic. Actually has a BF that's a drug and never fucks her or never really can. If he knew what she was capable of in bed he would slit his wrists. His loss my gain.
I'm in total agreement with you. I have a few rules, No tattoos, no silicone, and no bad teeth. I don't care for any of the Bacarra girls with silicone, but there are quite a few natural girls. I also like upstairs better. More natural ones.
I posted a picture of the one I was with I think. She's laying in bed, face hidden by her phone if I remember right. Too tired to look for it now. And although she has been working for about a year and a half she has a certain innocence in bed, is very playful but even though I have history with her the first night she was a little cold. I went back the next night and told her that I had fun but it didn't seem like she did and if she didn't, I didn't want to make her do something she wasn't into. That was like flipping a with. By the last day of four she was asking me to fuck her again. I came to fast as I was forcing it because I was fucked out. She didn't get off and was a little pissed. Papa finis, me no finish, and kept pointing at my cock. LOL I got the vibrator out and it appeared that it was a first. It took a little convincing but man o man did she blow. She was laughing about the intensity of her orgasm. I'm going to do a week or more with her in September. I love this hobby!
Happy hunting!
FN
FruitNinja
04-06-14, 17:26
My last day of my trip. Fucking sucks big time but I am tired, and need the rest of getting back to my daily grind. The heat was pretty brutal and I think that didn't help. It could also be that I am getting up there in age. Ah well!
My regular from Bacarra left at about 3 pm after another go. We went out to a few discos and didn't get back until 4:30, a quicky then sleep and a good shagging before she left.
Checked out, grabbed a bite to eat, and went to Dr BJ's for a last hurrah. Well I get to talking to the Dr and we talk me into going to Annie's. I have a 1 am flight so I have time. Did #47 and although she's a little bigger that her picture I guess that after a month of skinny it was exactly what I needed. The massage was ok but the head and fuck were great. Tight for a bigger girl. Surprised the hell out of me. She was open to anal until she saw my cock. She wasn't going for any of that. I didn't push it. I was at the end of my trip, tired, and it's really not that big a deal.
I decide to walk back to 15 to get my bags. Well you have to pass 7/1 and I stood there for about 10 minutes, debate raging in my head about getting a blow job. The normal FN is saying "hey man, you probably can't even get off." And the evil retarded FN is saying,"hey, you're not going to be back for a while, it's with a try." Guess who won.
Back to Dr BJ's, pcik a girl the whole time thinking "no way this is going to work." I think I picked U. Fucking brilliant she was, got me off no problem.
DAMN I LOVE SE ASIA!
I posted a picture of the one I was with I think. She's laying in bed, face hidden by her phone if I remember right.FNThe body looks nice to me. I see now there was no indication she was from Bacarra or even from Thailand. My mistake. No tattoos is a tough rule. There seem to be so few girls these days without tattoos or piercings, or other rubbish, in addition to nose jobs, and sillies. Tatoos? I forget? Maybe something small. So like "what for"? Just a gimmick. She claimed that she had had sex with Thai guys on a small number of occasions but never given a BJ. My recent newbie Long Gun bargirl had a tongue piercing, and she did not even know to to do BJs.
I have not found that tongue piercings have any discernible benefit for blow jobs at all. Could even make them worse if the girl doesn't know how to do soft.
Must say I appreciate it greatly when the girl has no tats, no piercings (apart from ear-rings), does not smoke, and all natural beauty.
Paul Kausch
04-06-14, 20:31
I used to be a follower of the trousers-socks matching philosophy, but matching your shoes finally made more sense to me.
I apologize for the digression.Back last century when I was teaching at a university I was sitting in a meeting with a group of faculty, some from the school of business, some from the psychology department, some from the statistics division of the math department. A colleague noticed that the psychologists' socks matched their shoes; the business profs' socks matched their trousers; and the color of the statisticians socks matched neither. I have no idea what that means. I just had a burning desire to share that meaningless piece of information.
To all my friends who helped me on the forum and personal messaged me for the enquiry.
Went to a place close by to Emmanuelle, I think it was called Lords. Went there by 4-5pm. Nice clean place and girls were sitting on a round sofa. Quality was good and was a little more expensive than other places.
I picked up one for 5, 000 and she was really really cute and I just didn't mind this amount. We went to a nearby place, this was kind of a hotel only with room inside. We went inside and the girl gave me a nice shower, (no soapy). She cleaned me nicely and we hit the bed. She was really soft and horny. She blew me and gave a nice massage afterwards, I did her twice in an hr. She was that good or probably I was that horny.
I gave her a small tip and left.
Same procedure repeated the following day with another girl.
I would definitely recommend this place if budget is not a problem. Have fun guys, cheers
and the color of the statisticians socks matched neither. I have no idea what that means. I just had a burning desire to share that meaningless piece of information.I am with the Statisticians. We just don't give a fuck. Actually my socks are probably such a plain dark grey (although hardly used in Thailand) that no one would ever notice them, even with whatever coloured shoes. Who has time to worry if its better to match trousers or shoes? That's why girls and Ladyboys take so long to get ready. Its better for guys to attend to their fingernails and toenails, make sure they do not draw undue attention, and make sure the hair looks washed. Completely avoid the yahoo singlet and thongs look. And of course, smelly armpits will make you a pariah in Thailand.
O.K. I know its the new age and guys have to look beautiful. How many have face powder and lipstick? How many have the carefully maintained and groomed two to three day growth?
Wolvenvacht
04-07-14, 18:50
okay I know its the new age and guys have to look beautiful. How many have face powder and lipstick? How many have the carefully maintained and groomed two to three day growth?Two to three day beard growth? The Thai girls with their soft skins don't like that at all. A definite no no!
I wet shave in the morning *and* in the evening before I go out to pick up a lovely companion.
Member #4387
04-07-14, 19:23
Two to three day beard growth? The Thai girls with their soft skins don't like that at all. A definite no no!
I wet shave in the morning *and* in the evening before I go out to pick up a lovely companion.I often run a 2/3 days without shaving (but ofcourse I stay well groomed) and I never heard any complaints from girls I dealt with. I even sometimes run a goatie and girls seems to enjoy it. It tickles them greatly when I play down in the Y area.
Sir Lancelot
04-07-14, 20:45
I was excited as my plane rose in to the grey Manchester sky. A three week trip lay ahead of me which would be split between Thailand and Burma. I was keen to visit Bangkok and Pattaya again and excited to be visiting Burma too, where I would explore the pay-per-play scenes of Yangon and Mandalay. As ever I will start by giving you some context for my diary. I'm a 37 year old English man and bar-girls say I'm handsome (and why would they lie about such a thing?). Although I enjoy massage parlours and gogo bars, my motto is 'variety is the spice of life' and I have picked up girls from brothels, nightclubs, X-houses and even from the street. Welcome to the diary of my trip to Thailand and Burma. 2014.
Day 1, Monday, Bangkok.
After 18 hours of travel I was excited as my plane touched down at Suvarnabhumi Airport. Despite the fact I didn't sleep at all on the journey, I felt wide awake. Would Bangkok and Pattaya live up to my high expectations after last year? What would Burma be like as a mongering destination? Could I beat my record of 23 girls in a trip? The next three weeks held the answers.
The train service from the airport in to Bangkok is excellent. I descended down to the lower level and bought a 90 baht ticket for the Phaya Thai line. It took 20 minutes and meant I avoided the heavy Bangkok traffic. At Phaya Thai I took the skytrain to Nana. It cost 31 baht and was just five stops. Public transport in Bangkok is cheap, quick and easy.
My hotel of choice is Nana Hotel. I realise that others in the Nana area represent better value but it has the perfect location opposite Nana Plaza and I enjoy walking past the freelancers who congregate in its car-park each night. I checked in at 4pm and it was the same old woman behind reception as always. Amazingly she smiled when she passed me my key, the first time I can ever recall her smiling. Perhaps it was a good omen of things to come.
My room was on the 9th floor and cost 1490 baht per night. It was clean and spacious and had air-con, cable TV and a safe. The window had a great view looking across to Sukhumvit Road, overlooking the swimming pool on the 3rd floor. A couple of well-fed tourists were soaking up the late afternoon sun.
The young bell-boy dumped my luggage and asked "you like lady boss?" I wonder whether anyone has ever taken a bell-boy up on this offer in Bangkok? I can understand why people might employ their services in other cities but why choose blind in a city like this where there are available girls everywhere you look? I declined but gave him a small tip before he left. Suddenly the long journey caught up with me, so I crawled on to the bed and was asleep before my head hit the pillow.
It was 7.30pm when I woke. I still felt tired but had a shower to wake myself up. I had three nights in Bangkok and there were three certainties. As a gogo fan I would certainly spend one night at Nana Plaza and another at Soi Cowboy. My third must-visit was Nataree massage parlour where I have taken some beautiful girls in the past. I decided that all three of those places could wait until another night though. I would get this trip up-and-running at Mango, a massage parlour that gets rave reviews online.
It was easy to find. I walked to Nana skytrain station and paid 22 baht to go to Phrom Pong just two stops away. I descended the steps at Phrom Pong station and from Sukhumvit Road turned on to Soi 24. A short distance up Soi 24 is a short alleyway on the left and I immediately spotted the sign for Mango. It looked like a regular massage shop, the type you see on almost every street in Thailand. It was opposite EZ Massage which gets mixed reviews online.
I entered at 8.30pm. The receptionist welcomed me and immediately invited me to choose a girl. No messing about here I thought, straight down to business! My preference is to take my time and choose a girl from a fishbowl but at Mango there is no fishbowl, the available girls sit in the reception area. There were eight girls and they all placed their hands together in a wai and said sawasdee khap in unison which I thought was a nice touch. I slowly looked along the line and was greeted by a number of sweet smiles. I'd guess they were aged between 25 and 30. Nataree has girls but Mango enjoys a good reputation because the girls are experienced and provide a great service as a result.
There were a few strong contenders. The girl sat nearest to me had cheekbones like a model and her hair was tied up elegantly. She had pale skin and fair hair but she was the only girl who didn't smile when I looked at her. In contrast the girl sat next to her gave me a big smile when I looked in her direction. I've fucked many girls in many massage parlours and the main lesson I've learnt is to always go for the girl you think will provide the best service. I picked the girl with the warm smile.
"You pay one hour or two?" asked the receptionist. I opted for one hour which cost 2100 baht. The smily girl led me up to our room and I stared at her shapely bum as we climbed the stairs. The room was basic but clean, with a single bed and a shower area in the corner. Alongside the bed was a big mirror and there was one on the ceiling too.
"We shower" she said and we got undressed. She had a curvy figure with more meat on the bone than the 18 year olds at Nataree. Although her tits were small, she had big nipples. Her name was Ning and I knew I'd picked well because she smiled almost constantly as we showered.
We dried ourselves off and I lay on the hard bed."Massage or sex?" she asked. After a long day of travel I didn't want to pass up the invitation of a massage so I said "both". She instructed me to lie on my front and slapped oil over my back before giving me a really nice massage. She had magic hands and when she asked me to turn over I was rock hard. I pulled her on top of me and we kissed. She was a passionate kisser which is one of my biggest turn-ons. Slowly she kissed down my body until she was licking my dick like a lollipop. She gave me a nice blowjob and then rolled a condom on. The sex was excellent and we fucked in lots of positions, all of which looked great in the mirrors surrounding the bed. Due to my usual enforced pre-holiday drought, I couldn't get enough of her.
Afterwards we cuddled up to each other and chatted via the ceiling mirror. I asked her how old she was and jokingly guessed 43. She slapped me on the arm. She was 26 years old and was born in Hua Hin. She told me that she has two kids but they live with their father."I not see them" she told me sadly. It was about the first time she stopped smiling since we walked in to the room together.
We showered and after we got changed she posed for some photos. I was pleased that she wasn't one of those girls who tries to look sexy by pouting, instead she gave me lots of big grins. She was a good girl to start my trip. She didn't ask for a tip but I gave her 300 baht which she seemed delighted with.
I think Mango deserves its good reputation although in my opinion Annie's is superior as there is a fishbowl, there are more girls to choose from and they are prettier too. At Annie's last year I had a soapy followed by two pops with the legendary Aor for 2500 baht, whereas in Mango I had an oily and one pop for 2100. I assume if I had paid for two hours at Mango I'd have got another pop. The good thing with both places is that service is guaranteed. Nataree charges 2600 baht for younger girls but it can be a lottery whether you get the 'girlfriend experience'. Mango and Annie's girls know how to please.
It was 10pm when I got back to Nana and the place was buzzing. Vendors sold food at the roadside, voluptuous ladyboys circled like sharks and dozens of freelancers lingered in front of Nana Hotel's car-park. The beer-bars that line Soi 4 were packed with customers. Music was playing, girls were screaming, the night was in full swing.
Big Dogs used to be my favourite beer-bar as it is located right next to the entrance to Nana Plaza and therefore offers the perfect observation post to watch girls as they arrive for work. But now it seems to be one of the sleepier options. Morning & Night and Stumble Inn were far livelier while Zen B and Hillary 4 on the other side of Nana Plaza were buzzing too.
I picked Stumble Inn as I spotted a spare stool overlooking the street. I bought my first beer of the trip and enjoyed watching the street from my elevated spot. Directly in front were food stalls, stacked with raw chicken skewers waiting to be grilled. A ladyboy walked past with fake tits like bowling balls. On the opposite side of the street I watched the freelancers waiting patiently to be approached. Most were well-worn but I did spot a few younger specimens, including one with blond hair and that winning combination of a curvy figure and a dress a few sizes too small.
The beer-bars have girls who are available too. I counted 15 in Stumble Inn and was pleased that none of them tried to hassle me for a drink, they just sat on stools waiting to be invited over. Generally the girls were over 30 and more geared towards ex-pats. A few were younger though and I spotted a foxy girl in a tight top talking to a man wearing a Singha vest. Surprisingly the bar-fine here is 600 baht, the same as the gogo bars.
I stayed for a few beers before jet-lag caught up with me. The gogo bars could wait until another night. I paid my chit before walking to the nearby 7Eleven to buy myself a bottle of water. On the way I noticed that Nana Liquid is now called Mai Peng Disco. Normally when places are rebranded it means that money has been invested and it's on the up. A good quality freelance disco in the Nana area could be very lucrative indeed, both for the owner and for mongers.
At the 7Eleven I stood in the queue behind a pretty Scandinavian girl with long blond hair. She had a tattoo on her shoulder which spelled out the word 'tranquility'. If she was after tranquility, she was definitely in the wrong place. Bangkok was as vibrant as ever and Nana was buzzing.
I walked back to my hotel with a spring in my step. My trip was finally under way.
Sir Lancelot
04-08-14, 01:12
These photos are to go with day 1 of my diary, below. I'm not sure why they didn't attach as they showed up on the preview. They are all photos of Mango massage parlour, including the girl I went with.
Day 2 tomorrow.
Yes we all arrive at Savarnabhumi and go to massage places, etc. Etc.
Name of the girls would have been the only useful information in this post.
I wasted my time reading it. (and now posting this comment)
Day 1, Monday, Bangkok.
After 18 hours of travel I was excited as my plane touched down at Suvarnabhumi Airport.
These photos are to go with day 1 of my diary, below. I'm not sure why they didn't attach as they showed up on the preview. They are all photos of Mango massage parlour, including the girl I went with.
Day 2 tomorrow.I will disagree with the post below this one. I don't necessarily need names, I am fully capable of choosing my own in a massage place. If you want to add them fine, but IMHO not necessary. I enjoyed the story, because it gives me some perspective about the way others go about the hobby. I may glean something I want to try that is not just names or the services provided. Of course if they add to the story, then by all means keeping adding. I look forward to the rest of the "diary".
My suggestion is if someone doesn't like your style they are free to scroll right on past your posts.
Sky
These photos are to go with day 1 of my diary, below. I'm not sure why they didn't attach as they showed up on the preview. They are all photos of Mango massage parlour, including the girl I went with.
Day 2 tomorrow.Your experiences and diary from your last vacation was very interesting. If there are some here on ISG, who does not like your style, they just skip.
I look forward to reading about your adventures in the rest of your vacation.
Your diary is a good inspiration.
So had a last minute chance to go to BKK but unfortunately its during songkran. I arrive the 12th and leave the 17. Seems like most soapies will be closed. Does anyone have experience on whats open for mongering during this time?
Help!
Hey guys,
So I found a last minute chance to go to Bangkok. Unfortunately I arrive on the 12 and leave the 16. Any ideas on what mongering will be available? Most soapies seem to be closed.
I will disagree with the post below this one. I don't necessarily need names, I am fully capable of choosing my own in a massage place. If you want to add them fine, but IMHO not necessary. I enjoyed the story, because it gives me some perspective about the way others go about the hobby. I may glean something I want to try that is not just names or the services provided. Of course if they add to the story, then by all means keeping adding. I look forward to the rest of the "diary".
My suggestion is if someone doesn't like your style they are free to scroll right on past your posts.
SkyI also enjoyed the report, it gave me goosebumps thinking about my upcoming trip, I'm also looking foward to the rest of his report, I think your correct he should of just scroll right past it!
Please keep it coming sir, thanks!
Yes we all arrive at Savarnabhumi and go to massage places, etc. Etc.
Name of the girls would have been the only useful information in this post.
I wasted my time reading it. (and now posting this comment) To be fair to you, you have posted girls' names in the past. This was a recent post of yours from a year or so ago:
"Three visits at Ipanema: a little Thai spinner and solid performer, a gorgeous Cambodian Ani (photos: Facebook Ani Ani) and Lan Lan, a Vietnamese who told me she was Cambodian. This was discovered back in the hotel room when I asked to see her I'd. However she was sweet and we had a very good time. I dislike the Vietnamese for their lack of innocence and sweetness. Ani is a hairdresser back in Phnom Pen, making USD 200 per month. Lan Lan works in a supermarket in Hanoi for SGD 200 per month."
I was in the Ipanema bar a few weeks back. How useful was your post to me? Absolute zero.
Conversely I have always enjoyed reading Sir Lancelot's posts.
Sir Lancelot
04-08-14, 17:25
Yes we all arrive at Savarnabhumi and go to massage places, etc. Etc.
Name of the girls would have been the only useful information in this post.
I wasted my time reading it.As someone else suggested you could quite easily have scrolled past. It's fair enough if you do not like my writing style but I'm certainly not going to apologise for being too in-depth. I've tried to include as much information as possible and that includes nitty-gritty about prices and how to get around. Just because you know your way around Bangkok and how to find Mango you shouldn't assume that everyone else does.
By the way, I did mention the name of the girl:
Her name was Ning and I knew I'd picked well because she smiled almost constantly as we showered.Sky Ryder, AskeAske, Mouse1.
Cheers gents, I'm glad you enjoyed.
Wolvenvacht
04-08-14, 19:19
Yes we all arrive at Savarnabhumi and go to massage places, etc. Etc.
Name of the girls would have been the only useful information in this post.
I wasted my time reading it. (and now posting this comment)
Day 1, Monday, Bangkok.
After 18 hours of travel I was excited as my plane touched down at Suvarnabhumi Airport.Really! It is a pity we do not have more members who write nice prose.
Sir Lanceot, please continue and don't mind some sour puss who is surely jealous of your talent!
Usually I can pick the girl out after seeing a picture. Maybe I have saught after skill. Enjoyed the prose Sir Lancelot
Sir Lancelot
04-08-14, 22:22
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FruitNinja
04-09-14, 03:58
Yes, no tattoos is a hard rule but I try to stick by it. I also end up keeping a good girl once I find her. My Bacarra girl will go to an island with me in September. Although she has changed some since I saw her in 2013 she is still not a hardened girl. Every day the sex got better as she got comfortable. I think its very hard for these girls to give true GFE unless they have a comfort level. The can fake it but not much else.
The body looks nice to me. I see now there was no indication she was from Bacarra or even from Thailand. My mistake. No tattoos is a tough rule. There seem to be so few girls these days without tattoos or piercings, or other rubbish, in addition to nose jobs, and sillies. Tatoos? I forget? Maybe something small. So like "what for"? Just a gimmick. She claimed that she had had sex with Thai guys on a small number of occasions but never given a BJ. My recent newbie Long Gun bargirl had a tongue piercing, and she did not even know to to do BJs.
I have not found that tongue piercings have any discernible benefit for blow jobs at all. Could even make them worse if the girl doesn't know how to do soft.
Must say I appreciate it greatly when the girl has no tats, no piercings (apart from ear-rings) , does not smoke, and all natural beauty.
Western787
04-09-14, 05:59
It was now past 11pm and time to bar-fine a girl. I had a few options but there was one standout, Tan from Mandarin. As I headed along the balcony towards Mandarin I saw some pretty 'hello girls' outside Fantasia. One had bright orange hair and tattoos. I sometimes like girls that are different and this girl was definitely different. I made a mental note to return another time.Excellent report, minor point but I think you meant Rainbow 4 on Floor 2 not Floor 1.
Sorry to tell you, but when she see attractive dancers in or outside of Fantasia these days, they too are usually coyotes. Its almost seems at Nana Plaza that the Rainbow clubs are one of the few holdouts sticking to the no-coyote rule. Some clubs like DC-10 are so dependent on coyotes (even only 1 or 2 per shift at least) I don't think they otherwise could open the curtain each night.
The Rainbow rule obviously gives punters a predictable stage inventory to draw from since they know virtually all dancers are available to barfine at a fixed known price, except the infrequent cases where a girl refuses to establish stage-side eye contact with a prospective customer, however my guess is that Rainbow recruitment is now being negatively impacted by switch toward coyotes around town.
Even aside from the extra per diem base pay, these takeout-Coyotes do seem to have a lot more flexibility than regular dancers, and they are probably even now given discretion (probably no lower than 1200 though to cover the extra costs to the club) to adjust the barfine depending on whether they want to go with a particular customer, and depending upon how late in the shift it is and so forth. It could be worse though, as they could all be authentic (dance-only) Coyotes
Excellent report, minor point but I think you meant Rainbow 4 on Floor 2 not Floor 1.European call ground floor what the American call floor 1. So for an European the floor above the ground one is floor 1. And not floor 2.
Matter of point of views.
Western787
04-09-14, 06:43
European call ground floor what the American call floor 1. So for an European the floor above the ground one is floor 1. And not floor 2.
Matter of point of views.True, I see him using the term "ground floor" for R2.
Uncle Volodya
04-09-14, 07:04
Many thanks Sir L!
Great report with plenty of useful details on pricing, girl quality, etc.
One question. You give prices for ST, but what about LT?
I look forward to reading more reports form your trip. I will also be there in about 3 weeks and am now considering a side trip to Burma. I didn't know air tickets were so cheap!
Stay horny my friend.
Uncle-V
ConquerorVal
04-09-14, 15:46
Sir Lancelot! Looking forward to your Burma report. It will be interesting to see what that piece of shit Golfinho will have to say about your posts. Your flight was much cheaper than when I went with Air Asia in December. I guess because I went during the high season. Also, expect crappy food, especially after great Thai food, but lovely people. During my last two trips, namely Sosua and Pattaya, all together, I managed to take only four touristy photos. My family is not expecting any photos anymore. I enjoy your detailed diary approach narrative, but since you are a number keeper, does Tan who you did last year count toward this tripr's tally? Do repeaters count more than one-can you double dip(pun intended)? Keep up the great work!
Sir Lancelot
04-09-14, 18:53
Excellent report, minor point but I think you meant Rainbow 4 on Floor 2 not Floor 1.As Bionic says, in Europe the first floor is the one above the ground floor.
Sorry to tell you, but when she see attractive dancers in or outside of Fantasia these days, they too are usually coyotes.Haha, yeah. As you will see in my latest report, I found that out first-hand.
One question. You give prices for ST, but what about LT?I'm glad you enjoyed it. Whenever I bar-fine I tend to choose ST. One reason is because I always bar-fine late in the night and LT girls usually want to leave early in the morning. Another reason is that it's possible to negotiate up to LT in the room if the girl is a good performer. In fact, in the past ST girls have stayed with me for LT for no extra cost but I think this will only happen if you BF them late at night. I don't ask for LT prices but I think that if a girl accepts 2000 for ST, they will probably stay LT for 3000. Personally I prefer the bar-fine system in Philippines when you pay an all-inclusive BF upfront at the bar (BF + LT) and the girl will stay all night.
I enjoy your detailed diary approach narrative, but since you are a number keeper, does Tan who you did last year count toward this tripr's tally? Do repeaters count more than one-can you double dip(pun intended)?Thank you. The reports will start appearing on the Burma thread tomorrow. To answer your question, I didn't BF Tan last year. I liked her a lot but she was too shy. Regarding my 'tally', I only include girls I've never been with before. I presumed everyone had a tally!
Also, expect crappy food, especially after great Thai food, but lovely people.Not sure why a lot of people bag the food in Myanmar, OK, it's not as awesome as Thai food but it's reasonably good. There is good variety, Thai, Chinese Korean, Japanese, etc. And even steak for $5. The Thai food isn't as spicy as in Thailand but it's still tasty enough and very cheap. Worse case you can wash it down with a beer or wine, both of which are cheap.
I've spent a lot of time in some real sh*t hole places and have had to put up with far worse food.
Sir Lancelot
04-10-14, 00:16
day 3, wednesday: bangkok.
today was my last day in bangkok so i wanted to go out with a bang. two girls, no less.
at midday my phone buzzed in my pocket. it was a message from min, the freelancer i met in beer garden. it said 'hey how are you, meet somewhere for launch? ' i'm pretty sure that she meant lunch but i preferred the freudian slip and the idea of launching in to her knickers. i texted her back and told her that i couldn't because i was sight-seeing. in a way i was telling the truth because my plan was to go to nataree massage parlour, where there are always plenty of sights to see.
nataree is located in the din daeng district of bangkok, on rachadapisek road. it's a distance from the nana area but if you take a taxi your bill will be inflated to cover commission for the driver. a way around this would be to take a taxi to emerald hotel nearby but i don't see the point when public transport is so cheap and easy in bangkok. i took the skytrain to asok (15 baht) and then the mrt train to huay kwang (22 baht). it took fifteen minutes.
i left the station through exit 3, sign-posted 'emerald hotel', and there in front of me was the large sign for emmanuelle. incongruously it has a blond western woman smiling down from it. nataree is next door. there are two entrances and despite the fact i have been numerous times before, i accidentally walked in to the wrong one. there was a small fishbowl in which two average girls sat. i'm not sure what differentiates these girls from the other nataree girls but i walked out and in to the correct entrance on the right. it was 4pm. the same cheerful papasan as last year intercepted me at the door and proceeded to walk me around to introduce me to the girls.
the majority of girls are sat in the lounge when you first walk in. there were about 40 and they were all young and cost 2600 baht. along the left-hand wall was a sparsely populated fishbowl in which six older, curvier girls sat. these costs 2100 baht and provide a soapy service. as the papasan walked me around, the girls smiled sweetly and some said hello. at the far end of the room was a bench on which five timid looking girls were sat. the papasan said "these girls new. 4,5 or 6000 baht". they weren't any prettier than the rest of the girls but nataree is popular with japanese customers and they will always pay a premium for innocence.
i like to take my time in massage parlours so i sat down at a table in the middle and ordered a cola. the place was busy with customers but i was the only westerner. the rest were asian, predominantly japanese but also some chinese and possibly a few korean's too. in the corner there was a lift that was in constant use, taking customers and their choice of girl to the rooms upstairs. this place is very popular.
i didn't see either of the two girls i fucked here last year. amy was a big-boobed 19 year old with blonde hair and noy was one of the funniest, most 'ting tong' thai girls i've ever met, who provided some of the best sex. not to worry, there were plenty of other pretty girls to choose from. a girl walked past with an average face but big natural tits that jiggled with each step. facially she was a 6/10 but i mentally undressed her and liked what i saw. the prettiest girls seem to congregate on the bench in front of the fishbowl. a cute girl with her hair tied up kept looking over her shoulder at me. i smiled and she smiled back. she was exactly the type i go for, young and pretty with an innocent appeal. after a few more rounds of smile tennis i decided that she would be the perfect choice.
i decided to have a bit of fun with her. i walked in front of her and dropped down on to one knee and took her hand like i was proposing marriage. the rest of the girls laughed and i took my blushing bride to the payment counter. she was tiny. even on tip-toes she barely reached my shoulder. i paid 2600 baht and as we waited for the lift she told me that her name was som and she was 21 from chiang rai. she was cute and smiley and i was delighted with my choice.
the rooms in nataree are scruffy. there were rips in the couch, the wallpaper was peeling and the tv set had a permanent snow-storm. i tried to turn it off but the switch was missing so i unplugged it at the wall. given the amount of money this place must make, surely they should spend some on redecorating? to be fair, it had the basics. there was a freshly made double bed underneath an air-con unit and the other half of the room contained a bath big enough for two. next to the bed was a long mirror.
she undressed and had a small girly figure with larger than average tits. she hadn't even touched me but my dick voted yes. we had a bubble bath together and she went through the usual routine of carefully washing me. it's always a good chance to get to know your girl and i told her how pretty she was. smooth. when she washed my arms i took hold of her hands and pulled her towards me. she giggled as she fell on to me and we kissed. we dried ourselves off and got on to the bed. she stroked my hair and said 'i like short hair' to which i told her 'i like long hair'. she pulled her hair-clip out and her long hair fell down over my chest. she softly kissed my neck and then my chest and then lower and lower, teasing me, until she was darting her tongue around my thighs and groin. it was an intense sensation. i remembered that noy had drove me crazy doing exactly the same thing last year and i wondered whether both girls had the same teacher? or perhaps noy was the teacher!
she rubbed her lovely tits over my chest and then gave me an inexperienced blowjob, all head-bobbing and no suction. then she slowly lowered herself on to my dick with both feet planted on the bed. her pussy was extremely tight, so tight in fact i worried i might shoot my load too quickly unless i took control. i flipped her on to her back and was gentle with her at first but before long we were frantically fucking in lots of different positions. my favourite was when i was flat on the bed beneath her, entering her from behind as she lay on top of me. as i thrust up in to her, she arched her back and groaned. she rode me reverse cowgirl before assertively pulling me to sit up and then leaning her body forward. she rocked her hips back and forward on mine and i had a great view of my dick sliding in and out of her pussy. it looked great in the mirrors surrounding the bed.
although she delivered great sex and was a passionate little thing. it was every bit as good as the service i received at mango.
she agreed to pose for photos but as is often the case with thai girls, she tensed up in front of the camera. thai girls sometimes try too hard to look sexy so they lose the cuteness that attracted me to them in the first place. i took her mobile phone number and gave her a well-deserved tip before we took the lift back down to the ground floor. we held hands and when the lift doors opened, two girls were escorting two middle-aged japanese men upstairs. one of the girls was a stunner. i kissed som goodbye and walked to the exit. there were now 60 girls in the lounge and a high percentage of honeys. perhaps 6pm is the optimum time to visit nataree for the best selection. i took the train back to asok and then the skytrain to nana. it was getting dark and the streets were coming alive.
i ate at beer garden again on soi 7. it was busier so i wasn't able to get a prime perving spot next to the entrance this time. i found a seat and ordered a beer, as well as spicy tom yam soup and stir-fry beef. again the food was excellent. there were about 50 freelancers and although they were older than i tend to go for, there were a few foxes. if i was living in bangkok i would utilise beer garden regularly but when you only have three days in bangkok there are better options elsewhere.
an average looking girl sat down next to me. her name was june and she was probably mid thirties. she asked 'you take girl? ' and i replied that i just wanted to eat dinner. 'i make you happy' she chimed but i lied and told her that i have a girlfriend. she gave it some thought before saying 'okay, i give you blowjob! ' haha, you've got to love these girls!
after an excellent night at nana plaza the night before, soi cowboy had a lot to live up to. it's easy to find as it is right next to asok skytrain station. it's a road about 200 meters long, linking soi 21 and 23. i was greeted by the usual blaze of neon as i stepped on to it. gogo bars lined each side of the street and groups of 'hello girls' chorused 'hello welcome' to me as i slowly walked past. the time was 8. 45pm.
i chose to start at a bar i'd never been to before, suzie wong. ten average girls were dancing but i have a rule that whenever i enter a bar i will always stop for a drink. i dislike it when men walk in, study the girls and leave straight away. it's disrespectful and i know first-hand that girls feel the same. i sat down and ordered a bottle of beer. it cost 100 baht since it was happy hour. the girls were topless and one had a very large pair of natural tits. i've been known to bar-fine solely based on cup-size but another customer called her down from the stage before i had chance. her tits wobbled enticingly as she walked past me. it's always worth sticking around to see both dance-shifts and number 58 was also very well endowed. she was naked apart from leather boots and red fishnets.
i like bars like suzie wong because they offer something different. the girls were slightly older than other bars but that can mean better sex. the place had a relaxed atmosphere and was busy with ex-pats, always a sign that it is a well run bar with reasonable prices.
last year i was impressed by shark. it had some of the prettiest girls and i bar-fined a girl called joy who lived up to her name. coincidentally i was shown to the exact same seat but sadly i had no joy looking for joy. these bars have a quick turnaround of girls which is great news for us because it means a never-ending supply of pretty girls. 16 girls were crowded on to the small stage and the talent was high. 44 had a sexy figure and was wearing a semi see-through bra, number 4 had a lovely face and kept smiling in my direction while 77, a cute blond with a neatly squared off fringe, would almost certainly be bar-fined by a japanese man by the end of the night.
shark has an intimate layout so it is easy to build rapport with the girls. i noticed a beautiful girl sat on a stool next to the stage wearing a number 11 badge. she looked like a dark-skinned version of the actress kristin kreuk. she was yawning. she saw me looking over and i pretended to yawn which made her laugh. i like girls with a sense of humour so i waved her over. she was exceptionally pretty up close. i offered her a lady-drink and a tequila went on to my bill. her name was pam, she was 23 and she had a fun personality. i joked to her 'last year short-time 500 baht, still the same? ' and she pretended to strangle me. the bar-fine was 600 and she quoted 3000 for short-time. it was very steep but she would certainly accept less and might even agree to my standard short-time offer of 2000 if i returned later.
'have to dance now' she said and for five minutes she danced sexily in my direction as if to say this could be all yours tonight. i liked what i saw. she had a great face, a great body and was a great mover too. just as i was thinking that she ticked all of the boxes, she spotted an elderly asian gent sat nearby and focused all of her attention on him instead. perhaps she was trying to make me jealous? joking aside, it was a bad sign. she knew i was interested but she saw the asian man as a more lucrative prospect. i finished my drink and waved to her when i walked past. she was a good option for later perhaps.
baccara has a reputation for having some of the prettiest gogo girls in bangkok but whenever i have visited the place lacks atmosphere. last year there was no flirting, no smiles and no fun, the girls just danced in a zombie-like trance while watching themselves in the mirrors. but i figured for the price of a beer it was worth half an hour of my time. as i walked in i set myself a challenge to make a baccara girl smile. was it mission impossible?
it was packed with customers who were almost entirely asian. i couldn't see a free seat so i walked around the stage and found a solitary stool next to the bar. there were 20 girls crammed on stage and 10 topless girls dancing on the glass ceiling above. the quality was excellent but just like last year it felt cold and clinical. the girls looked bored.
however, my stool proved to be an excellent spot. it was next to the steps up to the stage so girls brushed past me whenever there was a shift change. with 20 girls leaving the stage and 20 more girls waiting to go up, there was an inevitable bottle-neck. as a result i sat on my stool surrounded by lots of cute young girls wearing skimpy white bikinis. i was able to make eye contact with them and, hallelujah, even managed to get some smiles! mission accomplished. my favourite was 182 who was stood right in front of me. she was a fresh-faced cutie with a slender body. i said 'sawasdee khrap' to her and she giggled. she seemed very shy and when she walked up on to the stage she faced away from me and danced in the middle, surrounded by other girls. it was almost as if she didn't want any customers to see her. i figured she was new and lacked confidence.
i spotted six girls i'd seriously consider bar-fining and in contrast to last year received lots of smiles. it proves the importance of getting a good seat in gogo bars. last year i was sat away from the stage and was invisible to the girls but now i was in a prime spot and got lots of smiles. i looked up and saw a topless girl on the glass dance floor above. i could see from my angle that she wasn't wearing any underwear under her skirt. she saw me staring and gave me a grin.
a 7/10 walked up to me and introduced herself as ras but i had finished my drink and was ready to leave. on the way out i saw two very pretty girls chatting with asian men. this place has definitely got some heart-breakers. on the way out i enquired about the bar-fine and was told it was 600 baht. given the largely japanese clientele and the age of the girls, i feel sure that pretty girls in baccara would quote 3000 for short-time. i reckon most would go for 2500 though and some might even be attainable for 2000 baht. if you dress smartly and can make a girl smile, the chances of getting her for a lower price increase. after midnight your chances are even better.
it was 10. 30pm and tilac was packed with customers too. i can't recall soi cowboy being so busy. i was shown to a stool next to the stage which gave me a good close-up view of the dancing girls. there were 12 on stage and more were dancing on small tables around the side of the bar. the girls were young and there were lots of nice bodies on show. just like last year there were a few regular tourists inside, including a young couple who looked like backpackers. the girlfriend looked uncomfortable, no doubt the novelty of seeing scantily clad girls dancing around poles replaced with the dawning realisation that these girls were in fact sex workers. but whereas the girlfriend was disapproving, the boyfriend was drooling. i imagined that he would say all of the right things to his girlfriend ('how terrible', 'it's just wrong') while secretly wishing he was single for the night.
a sexy girl danced right in front of me, her leather boots precariously close to knocking my beer over. at the same time a middle-aged waitress began massaging my shoulders. normally i politely shoo them away when they do this but this girl had magic fingers, so for five minutes i had a front-row seat of a sexy girl dancing while being massaged. i was in heaven. i gave the waitress a nice tip for her efforts. i was then joined by a sweet girl called sam. she had an average face but she was nice a girl and didn't pester me for a drink so i bought her one. sometimes i like to do this to help boost a girls confidence.
a trip to the toilets in tilac is a must. as you stand at the urinal you can watch the girls dancing on stage through a convenient hole in the wall. as i was relieving myself i saw sam waving, so i waved back with my one free hand. when i finished i washed my hands and was passed a towel by the toilet attendant. although i like tilac, there is significantly more pressure for lady-drinks and tips than other bars on soi cowboy.
it was now 11pm and time to choose my girl. pam from shark was the standout but i was put off when she focused her attention on the asian man instead of me. i didn't blame her as she obviously saw him as a more lucrative prospect than me (she was probably right too!) but it suggested that she might not provide the 'girlfriend experience' i crave. i've learnt to trust my instincts when it comes to choosing girls and i sensed it best to look elsewhere. the other memorable girls were the young cutie from bacarra and the girl with wobbly tits from suzie wong. i decided against both. 182 was too shy and the big-boobed girl would surely have been bar-fined by the customer who was drooling all over her.
instead i decided to go back to nana plaza and see if i could bar-fine the orange-haired girl i saw outside fantasia. she had a distinctive look and her tattoos suggested a wild performer. as i waited for the skytrain at asok i got a text message from tan, the girl i bar-fined last night from mandarin. it said 'me want go with you tonight ok'. i was tempted because she was a great girl and we had a lot of fun but i wanted a different girl.
fantasia was relatively small inside with just nine girls dancing. unusually there were hardly any customers. i didn't see the girl with orange hair but the standard of girls was good. an 8/10 with a great figure danced suggestively in front of me and came to sit next to me when her dance shift was over. seconds later her friend sat the other side so i was sandwiched between two near-naked young cuties. i knew a waitress would appear soon and try to pressure me in to buying them both a drink so we played 'guess my age' and i told them i'd buy the winner a drink. i let the prettiest girl win even though she guessed wrongly. her name was pom but disappointingly she wasn't as fun and flirty as she had been on stage. after a few minutes of awkward conversation she said "have to go put make-up on". she walked out of the bar and was gone for ten minutes. it soon became apparent why. the bar had been empty but ten minutes later a dozen new customers had entered. pom was clearly one of the best-looking girls so they had utilised her outside to entice customers in. never underestimate the value of pretty 'hello girls'.
while pom was outside, two other girls sandwiched themselves either side of me and asked for a lady-drink each. 'i buy drink for pom, she outside' i said, pointing to pom's untouched vodka orange. at that moment pom walked back in but went straight up to dance. she was clearly one of fantasia's star girls.
suddenly i noticed the orange haired girl, sat on a table near the door. she was a 7/10 elevated up to another level by her unusual bright orange cropped haircut. she reminded me of milla jovovich in fifth element but an asian version with tattoos. when i come to asia i like to mix things up and take different types of girl and she was definitely different. sadly she was chatting with a large man with a shaved head. i waited patiently, hoping miss tango would be freed from the evil clutches of kojak, but he looked keen.
ten minutes later pom rejoined me. she had been gone twenty minutes which i found annoying but of course she was only doing her job. she was a pretty girl and a great mover too, so i enquired about her price. she told me that she was a coyote dancer and her bar-fine was 1000 baht and she charged 3000 for short-time. i noticed that the girl with orange hair wore the same colour badge as pom so she was a coyote dancer too. i decided to leave as i could find equally attractive girls elsewhere for cheaper. as i stood up to go pom asked for a tip. just like wild thing, fantasia is a great bar with great girls but is far too commercial and flawed by the coyote concept. i voted with my feet and left.
where next? i needed a sure-fire bet and rainbow 4 usually delivers the goods. i sat in my usual place between the stages and it was like following a tennis rally, looking left and right at all of the girls. there were 25 dancing and plenty on the sidelines too. number 9 looked like a japanese doll but sadly she was sitting with a customer. on the left hand stage there were lots of fake tits and hair extensions and on the right hand stage i saw one girl that had definitely crossed the line between curvy and fat. she had thighs like a rugby player. there were plenty of girls but for the second night running in rainbow 4, none i wanted to bar-fine.
it's funny on nights like these how i can be too picky. if i saw any of these girls back in england on a night out, i would jump at the chance to get in to their knickers. but here i was in bangkok, on the hunt for perfection. i put a 500 baht note in to my plastic cup and as i waited for change i saw the fat girl head towards the exit with a skinny japanese man. it just goes to show, beauty is in the eye of the beholder!
time was ticking. the longer you leave it to bar-fine, the less girls you have to choose from. i walked along the balcony and saw a nice girl with short hair outside angelwitch. she was pretty but not quite pretty enough. i dodged a few amazonian ladyboys outside cascade and descended down to the ground floor. i decided to try rainbow 1 which is on the same side as its sister rainbow 2. the rainbow bars are always a good bet in nana plaza.
there were 20 girls dancing and the quality was extremely high. immediately i knew my girl was sitting in this bar somewhere. i sat down, ordered a drink and got that thrill of anticipation when i know i'm close to choosing a girl. i asked the mamasan about the bar-fine and was pleased to hear it was 600 baht. i surveyed the talent. 79 was very pretty. 91 was cute with pigtails and 144 walked past with a big pair of enhanced tits. i could have happily bar-fined any of them. but my favourite was 47. she had an exceptionally pretty face and was having lots of fun with the other girls. she swung an invisible lasso over her head and pretended to throw it over me and pull me towards her. i pretended to cast a fishing rod and reeled her in to sit next to me.
her name was kung and she was a 10/10. she had one of those faces i couldn't take my eyes off and had a dazzling smile. when i complimented her on it she said "i big mouth!" i bought her a drink and she held my hand. she told me that the other girls on stage said that i was 'nala' (handsome). she was a lovely girl with a great attitude so i decided to bar-fine her. instead of asking how much i said "2000 short-time plus tip if you make me smile". it was a gamble because the rainbow bars on the ground floor have a reputation of being pricy. she smiled and gave it some thought before countering with 2500. i stuck to my initial offer of 2000 but said "good tip if you make me smile". she accepted and went to get changed. on the short walk back to nana hotel she told me "you very smart, nice shirt, nice shoes'. i always make an effort to dress smartly when i go to gogo bars as i figure that the more desirable you can make yourself, whether it be the way you dress, the way you act or the way you treat a girl, the more chance you have of success.
her hair had been styled in to a bow so she asked whether it was okay if we showered separately as she was worried it might get splashed. i liked the fact that she asked. i showered first and then lay on my bed waiting for her. i was excited because girls like kung are the reason why i travel to the other side of the world every year. she appeared five minutes later and stood at the end of the bed before dropping her towel to the floor. she had large fake tits that somehow i had failed to notice earlier. she crawled on to the bed and kissed me. i knew i was in for a good time.
i gave her oral and then we manoeuvred ourselves to 69. she sucked me slow and deep as i pulled her on to my face. she groaned each time i sucked her clit or stuck my tongue as far in to her pussy as i could. the sex was fantastic. we tried lots of positions and for fifteen minutes we couldn't get enough of each other, kissing passionately. when we climaxed she rolled off me, looked me in the eye and said "me hot, your fault".
she carefully reapplied her lipstick in the mirror and agreed to pose for photos. she was extremely photogenic. she showed me a photo of her beautiful daughter on her phone and i gave her a well-deserved tip. before she left she planted a big kiss on my cheek. i waved her goodbye and felt satisfied with myself. i'd fucked two great girls in the day and kung was a strong contender for 'girl of the trip'.
my flight to burma left early so i did some packing before bedtime. i went to the bathroom to clean my teeth and smiled when i saw myself in the mirror. kung had deliberately left me with a big lipstick kiss on my cheek. what a great girl. she was the perfect way to sign off from the bangkok leg of this trip.
[please note: this diary will continue on the yangon thread].
Guys,
These last few days before the holiday are the best mongering times in BKK. The ladies are all out in full force to earn extra money to take home to their families. I will start with the Beer Garden on Soi 7. During the day up until about 10PM it is still full of old fugly uglies. But around 10 it gets the girls coming in to try and snag an older guy with money. If that does not work they head over to Insomia, Climax, or Mixx to find a customer. Recently I scored a real Gem in the beer garden. A new girl from Laos with the hottest little spinner body. Stayed with me two nights on separate occasions. This theory has worked for me many times recently. I have met 4 really hot girls in the Beer Garden between 10 and midnight. The FL scene has improved a lot before Songkran. I visited Climax on Monday and the place was jammed pack with more ladies I have ever seen before. Some were alone, some brought their customers from the go go but it was on fire. I suggest to all to get your asses over their Thursday, Friday, and even Saturday. The girls need money and are more flexible with their fee, and time. I met some amazing FL's there this week who ate true par timers and maybe only work the bar FL scene once or twice a month. Great GFE's can be found there. 2000LT in Bangkom for a FL stunner is not possible most times but now just before the holiday when money is needed badly they all come out of the wood work. I felt the same at insomnia but on a much lower scale. Insomnia after the name change seems to have gone down hill but is knows for the younger ladies and Japanese customers now.
Happy hunting guys.
Recently after a long absence from the scene I decided to check it out. Back to Soi Cowboy I went. Not much change in the atmosphere since one year had passed. First stop Lone Gun. Great music and cheap drinks but that's where the buck stops. Baccara has not changed a bit but the pricing of the ladies seems to have gone up a little. Still a good place to meet a little spinner for a short time romp but nit recommended for long time. Most of the girls are not wanting a LT anymore since with two or three ST encounters they are happy with that being a good nights work. I went the rounds of the various bars and the big change is the edition of the coyote dancers. Soi Cowboy has now begin to cater to this market like Singapore, Malaysia, and the Bangkomgentlemens clubs like the Pimp. There has been a lot of speculation on the board about the coyote dancers. Can they be bar fined? The answer is yes. Why is the bar fine between 2000THB-4000THB? Because with the label of coyote this gives the mind set of a higher bar fine which gets you a more attractive girl. Do you have to pay more to the girl for your encounter? Typically these coyotes only want to go short time. They will hit you up for 4000ST. Are they getting it? Yes, I have seen many Japanese and Chinese punters bar fining these girls. After 1AM the coyote girls will reduce the bar fine to about half. So if the bar fine was 4000THB before 1 it will be 2000THB after 1. Typically they do not want to go long term but will and the asking was 5000-6000THb after 1. Maybe 4000THB if lucky. The bars on Soi Cowboy seem to be moving towards selling lady drinks as their number one source of revenu with bar fines as a second. Some of these bars are fully packed with customers while others are dead. Baccara seems to be the only go go in soi cowboy with absolutely no coyotes. Where others will have a mix of normal go go girls and coyotes. So before you sit and chat with your favourite go go girl it would be wise to ask her which category she falls into. If she says coyote, be prepared to buy a slew of lady drinks and just maybe you can end up bar finding her for an outrageous amount of money. I tried it once and the experience was great but for the money you can get the same with a non coyote go go dancer. In my opinion it is not worth the risk and I would recommend sticking to Baccara or Nana plaza. There is maybe only one bar in Nana which has started this trend of coyote dancers which I read about on this board a few days ago. This trend in the go go's in BKK seems to be catching on fast. So we better enjoy the normal go go's while they last.
Just a quick note to the board about what sites are good for hook ups. There are four main sites to choose from. Date in Asia, Tagged (High 5) , Thai Friendly, and Badoo. They all offer free membership options where you can exchange messages with the ladies. Badoo and Thai Friendly offer upgrades to enhance your experience. I personally upgraded with Thai friendly but personally did not find the value any greater. Badoo is the hands down winner for me. There are way more girls on there than tagged, offering a free Instant messaging service with iPhone apps to match. Badoo has a good mix of working girls and normal Thai girls. I have found dates and one night hook up free and paid on this site. I love it so much because in the morning most if the working girls from here are happy with 1000THB as a tip. I have also dated seriously with some of the woman from this site. A good place to start before and after you arrive in Thailand.
Western787
04-10-14, 06:40
Her name was Kung and she was a 10/10. She had one of those faces I couldn't take my eyes off and had a dazzling smile. When I complimented her on it she said "I big mouth!"
She was extremely photogenic.In person this girl is even more stunning, quite beyond what one can see in the (partially blocked) photos, a truly exqusite level beauty with a amazing complexion and refined facial features, particularly when seeing from a side angle, her stunning facial profile. Normally she is seen going with Japs so you must be quite a charmer for her to put the lasoo around you and rope you in like she did.
i had a 28 hour stopover in bangkok, arriving on a friday night, leaving on a saturday evening. so i arrived in bkk with spermagames in mind. it's a long flight thinking of bkk girls.
the flight arrived at 8:30, by the time i cleared customs, grabbed suitcase, ogled some thai girls who were up the back of economy (business class is a lonely experience) and got to the hotel it was 9:30, then over to the airport express and into makkasan, which is of course a dump in the middle of nowhere. i was now stuck. how to get to som's, get sucked / fucked, back on the train and over to makkasan before 11:45 to get an express back to airport. i desperately did not want to waste money on a cab back to novotel svb but time was running out. what's a guy to do. grabbed a cab and of course traffic jams, all the way to asok / soi cowboy. shit. i instructed the driver to take me to soi 14, but even that took 20 mins. came to 60 baht or something ridiculous like that. finally jumped out and ran down the soi to som's. phew. made it at 10:45.
there were no other customers, nearly all the girls were out the front waiting. some really hotties and in the tired, dark state i was in, all looking tasty. wouldn't kick any out of my bed. that said, i'm usually am not fussy at places like these because it's only a clean and most thai girls aren't too bad! i got kaw, a roundish figure with a bubble butt, a cute face and big titties. perfect.
we discussed the option of 2 girl bbbj but i was thinking of the next day where i had planned a two girl bbbj and tulip or mango, so reneged and asked her to go for it. up stairs, stripped off (at lollipops, this isn't the norm, som's seems to be ready for it as the room had a shower). she also stripped off with great titties. man. she washed me in the shower, then on to the sofa.
she started on the cock and just went like a wild thing, fantastic head. had to stop her, play with her great tits, then let her carry on. we talked about converting to a fuck or a fuck with anal, she even opened a condom at one stage, but a bbbj is a wonderous thing. great technique, both hand mouth, sucking and wanking. she sucked me over the line with her wonderful mouth and spat it out in the shower, all done in 15 good mins. washed up, discussed two girl bbbj again (for saturday, after 2pm) and anal (not her, but her friend).
all sucked out, i got confused on how to get an express back and ended up at phaya thai so was forced to take the long multiple stop train to the airport.
my only peeve about som? the 100 baht charge for bottled water. otherwise, highly recommended bj bar. if i had more time, i'd have ventured over to soi cowboy for a virgin visit, but time got away from me. always tomorrow in the los.
Personally I prefer the bar-fine system in Philippines when you pay an all-inclusive BF upfront at the bar (BF + LT) and the girl will stay all night.The BF in AC & Subic is dying a death these days. Last thing I read the girls no longer officially get BF, they are free to leave when ever they want. And its down to your skills to agree a price for what happens outside of the bar.
Lord Necros
04-10-14, 17:00
Guys,
These last few days before the holiday are the best mongering times in BKK.
What about right after the holiday? Don't the girls all go back to their villages right after Songkran?
I will be going there in 2 weeks and am scared that all I'll find in Bangkok are a couple of ladyboys and empty go go bars. :X
@Sir Lancealot: wonderful reports mate. For people new to Thailand, your extremely detailed reports are very helpful.
I myself will be in Thailand for 3 days and am planning to check out the major mongering establishments. I will be writing my own FRs for that, though certainly nowhere as detailed as yours. ^_^
Day 3, Wednesday: Bangkok.Serious question: do you take notes as you move around? Otherwise your capacity for remembering girls locations, names, numbers and prices is amazing. I find that I can chat to a girl in a bar, walk away and 5 minutes later struggle to remember her name. I do find it helps to make cryptic notes on my phone (bar, name of girl, and some feature to jog my memory like 'orange hair') as I'm walking to the next bar.
What about right after the holiday? Don't the girls all go back to their villages right after Songkran?
I will be going there in 2 weeks and am scared that all I'll find in Bangkok are a couple of ladyboys and empty go go bars. :XThey'll be back! Conversely I have just spoken with one lady who says she doesn't go back at Songkran because bus fares are higher and they are crowded. Instead she goes back before or after. I imagine others do the same. But there is never a shortage.
Lord Necros
04-10-14, 17:19
They'll be back! Conversely I have just spoken with one lady who says she doesn't go back at Songkran because bus fares are higher and they are crowded. Instead she goes back before or after. I imagine others do the same. But there is never a shortage.Phew! Thats a relief!
By the way, I have another question which may be too perverted for this forum.
Any place that you guys would recommend for pure dry thai massage?
No hanky panky. I just love me some nice relaxing massage.
Phew! Thats a relief!
By the way, I have another question which may be too perverted for this forum.
Any place that you guys would recommend for pure dry thai massage?
No hanky panky. I just love me some nice relaxing massage.Try the King and I Massage, Sukhumvit, Soi 12. That is where my girlfriend goes and gives high praise.
Sir Lancelot
04-10-14, 18:17
In person this girl is even more stunning, quite beyond what one can see in the (partially blocked) photos, a truly exqusite level beauty with a amazing complexion and refined facial features, particularly when seeing from a side angle, her stunning facial profile. Normally she is seen going with Japs so you must be quite a charmer for her to put the lasoo around you and rope you in like she did.As you describe she was an absolute gem. She wasn't just beautiful, she had a great attitude and was lots of fun.
Haha, not sure about being a charmer. I'm in my thirties, I'm slim and I've got blue eyes, plus I've got extremely white skin which the girls always love, but I'm experienced enough to know that girls prefer short, pot-bellied Japs so long as they think their wallet is fatter! However, I strongly believe that appearance does matter. I was dressed smartly in a long-sleeved shirt, trousers and my best shoes and girls definitely notice this kind of thing. They've told me so. Another factor perhaps is that I like to smile and have fun whenever I'm in a gogo bar, so perhaps that's why she lassoed me?
The BF in AC & Subic is dying a death these days. Last thing I read the girls no longer officially get BF, they are free to leave when ever they want. And its down to your skills to agree a price for what happens outside of the bar.Just before I was in Phils two years ago, some of the bars in Angeles got raided. To get around this lots of bars (including all of the Pasha group) came up with an ingenious solution. The word 'bar-fine' got banned but if a customer wanted to take a girl, they bought her a bottle of 'Party Animal' (which of course cost the same as the old bar-fine). The girl would be so grateful for this, she'd leave the bar by her own free will with the customer! It was quite an amusing charade. I wrote about it in my Philippines diary a few year ago.
Serious question: do you take notes as you move around? Otherwise your capacity for remembering girls locations, names, numbers and prices is amazing.Yes, I make LOTS of notes on my phone. Between bars I'll write everything I can remember. It might amuse you to hear that the recent reports I've posted are actually heavily edited.
For people new to Thailand, your extremely detailed reports are very helpful.Thank you, I'm really pleased you found it useful. I look forward to reading your own reports. Ps. Regarding your latest post about 'dry massage', you'll find places on just about every main street in Thailand. My advice. Pick the older women as they've been doing it for longer.
SirWilliam4
04-10-14, 18:25
Phew! Thats a relief!
Any place that you guys would recommend for pure dry thai massage?
No hanky panky. I just love me some nice relaxing massage.No problem at all with that question. Many of us enjoy a traditional Thai massage. One of the best is with Foot Joy. Two shops. One on Soi 8, 20 meters from Sukhumvit. The other is on Soi 11 about 250 meters up the soi, close by the 7-11.
Enjoy,
SW
Wolvenvacht
04-10-14, 18:30
Phew! Thats a relief!
By the way, I have another question which may be too perverted for this forum.
Any place that you guys would recommend for pure dry thai massage?
No hanky panky. I just love me some nice relaxing massage.For the real deal, straight from the source, go to what Po: www.watpomassage.com
Don't take the main entrance (entrance for the Sleeping Buddha statue) but take the side entrance. The massage shop is directly to the left of the side entrance.
Wolvenvacht
04-10-14, 18:52
All sucked out, I got confused on how to get an express back and ended up at Phaya Thai so was forced to take the long multiple stop train to the airport.To and from Phaya Thai run both express and multiple stop trains. Just ask at the ticket counter. I actually like Phaya Thai more than Makkasan which indeed in the middle of nowhere with hardly a taxi in sight.
Lord Necros
04-10-14, 19:56
For the real deal, straight from the source, go to what Po:
www.watpomassage.com
Don't take the main entrance (entrance for the Sleeping Buddha statue) but take the side entrance. The massage shop is directly to the left of the side entrance.Thanks. I can tie both my sleeping Buddha visit with a massage.
No problem at all with that question. Many of us enjoy a traditional Thai massage. One of the best is with Foot Joy. Two shops. One on Soi 8, 20 meters from Sukhumvit. The other is on Soi 11 about 250 meters up the soi, close by the 7-11.
Enjoy,
SWThanks. Is this the exact address?
"4/3 Soi Sukhumvit 8.
Khwaeng Khlong Toei, Khet Khlong Toei, Krung Thep Maha Nakhon 10110, Thailand"
Western787
04-10-14, 21:02
Recently after a long absence from the scene I decided to check it out. Back to Soi Cowboy I went. Not much change in the atmosphere since one year had passed. First stop Lone Gun. Great music and cheap drinks but that's where the buck stops. Baccara has not changed a bit but the pricing of the ladies seems to have gone up a little. Still a good place to meet a little spinner for a short time romp but nit recommended for long time. Most of the girls are not wanting a LT anymore since with two or three ST encounters they are happy with that being a good nights work. I went the rounds of the various bars and the big change is the edition of the coyote dancers. Soi Cowboy has now begin to cater to this market like Singapore, Malaysia, and the Bangkomgentlemens clubs like the Pimp. There has been a lot of speculation on the board about the coyote dancers. Can they be bar fined? The answer is yes. Why is the bar fine between 2000THB-4000THB? Because with the label of coyote this gives the mind set of a higher bar fine which gets you a more attractive girl. Do you have to pay more to the girl for your encounter? Typically these coyotes only want to go short time. They will hit you up for 4000ST. Are they getting it? Yes, I have seen many Japanese and Chinese punters bar fining these girls. After 1AM the coyote girls will reduce the bar fine to about half. So if the bar fine was 4000THB before 1 it will be 2000THB after 1. Typically they do not want to go long term but will and the asking was 5000-6000THb after 1. Maybe 4000THB if lucky. The bars on Soi Cowboy seem to be moving towards selling lady drinks as their number one source of revenu with bar fines as a second. Some of these bars are fully packed with customers while others are dead. Baccara seems to be the only go go in soi cowboy with absolutely no coyotes. Where others will have a mix of normal go go girls and coyotes. So before you sit and chat with your favourite go go girl it would be wise to ask her which category she falls into. If she says coyote, be prepared to buy a slew of lady drinks and just maybe you can end up bar finding her for an outrageous amount of money. I tried it once and the experience was great but for the money you can get the same with a non coyote go go dancer. In my opinion it is not worth the risk and I would recommend sticking to Baccara or Nana plaza. There is maybe only one bar in Nana which has started this trend of coyote dancers which I read about on this board a few days ago. This trend in the go go's in BKK seems to be catching on fast. So we better enjoy the normal go go's while they last.You say "there is maybe only one bar in Nana which has started this trend of coyote dancers" A very large wave of Coyotes arrived at Nana Plaza sometime in December or soon thereafter, something in fact Stickman (quite accurately in fact) predicted several weeks before it actually occurred. Coyotes are now all over the clubs in Nana Plaza. While there could be a few others, the only obvious "no-coyote" exception seems to be the Rainbow clubs in Nana, similar to Baccarra in Soi Cowboy.
The question at this point: when or will Baccarra or the Rainbow Clubs also let in Coyotes? Their business model is basically 1. Generally prettier than average Go Go girls thereby drawing-in more punters than other clubs 2. All dancers barfine at a fixed reasonable rate. 600 or thereabouts. Whether that business model is still viable its hard to tell.
Western787
04-10-14, 21:33
While its disruptive of everything else, its definitely drawing talent into the P4P business. Not that the quality is usually as high but just like G Clubs, the girls will often enter the edges of the business under a sort of pretense, rationalizing it by in effect saying 1. I ONLY have to dance and sell drinks or 2. I only have to stand in front of a club in Soi Cowboy and draw customers in. Even the ones claiming 10, 000 baht barfines, will eventually run into cash heavy punters. Once they do one guy, more will follow.
IMHO once these girls get a taste of the big money to spend at the shopping malls, they don't go back. However they may change venues, so while some may no longer stand out in front of clubs, many could well end up working the FL market in the Hi So clubs.
Or in the rare cases where they are ultra hot drop dead gorgeous playful ("Aibolit" quality) stunners, perhaps just work out of the mysterious, enigmatic, baffling, puzzling, and so far little understood secret world of Terminal 21.
Western787
04-10-14, 21:46
It's funny on nights like these how I can be too picky. If I saw any of these girls back in England on a night out, I would jump at the chance to get in to their knickers. But here I was in Bangkok, on the hunt for perfection.You can imagine what happens to the guys that actually live here.
To and from Phaya Thai run both express and multiple stop trains. Just ask at the ticket counter. I actually like Phaya Thai more than Makkasan which indeed in the middle of nowhere with hardly a taxi in sight.The Phaya Thai Express line is temporarily suspended starting 14 April. I believe for a year. The Makkasan Express is still running.
http://www.srtet.co.th/en/
SirWilliam4
04-11-14, 01:18
Thanks. Is this the exact address?
"4/3 Soi Sukhumvit 8.
Khwaeng Khlong Toei, Khet Khlong Toei, Krung Thep Maha Nakhon 10110, Thailand"Sorry, I'm not sure of the exact address. From Sukhumvit Road, walk about 25 meters into Soi 8 and Foot Joy is right there on your right, at the corner of a small sub soi leading to the On8 hotel. And excellent value, incidentally. And, right across from that hotel is Bamboo Massage! All nice and conveniently located together.
SW
You can imagine what happens to the guys that actually live here.So why are you still there?
Lord Necros
04-11-14, 05:55
Sorry, I'm not sure of the exact address. From Sukhumvit Road, walk about 25 meters into Soi 8 and Foot Joy is right there on your right, at the corner of a small sub soi leading to the On8 hotel. And excellent value, incidentally. And, right across from that hotel is Bamboo Massage! All nice and conveniently located together.
SWIt is the same one. I have added the location to my Google map.
Don't know about Bamboo, but I have heard good things about Bo who works there.
I don't think I will be able to squeeze this one in my short trip. Will have to check it out in a later one.
Thanks.
Ariman2789
04-11-14, 10:22
Hey Guys,
Me and a friend will be in Thailand for a week in June. Just wanted some advice from fellow members as to how the scene will be in June, is it an off season, and will that affect the prices in the city. Also any recommendation for a decent place to stay which will be guest friendly near Nana will be appreciated.
Thanks in advance
That is f*ing inconvenient. Getting stuck in Makkasan is like getting stuck in the western world. Too far from the action.
If I were ever to actually stay in BKK and need to take the airport express from near Phaya Thai, the regular stops of the normal run would be impossible with luggage. Bloody mindedness to get tourists to use Makkasan perhaps?
The Phaya Thai Express line is temporarily suspended starting 14 April. I believe for a year. The Makkasan Express is still running.
http://www.srtet.co.th/en/
Western787
04-11-14, 11:31
Even if I had a "contact" number of a beautiful Go Go dancer, I wouldn't give it out, and aside from the obvious reason that any punter is free to visit the particular Go Go club themself and find the girl, there is another reason: in Go Go clubs in Bangkok the unstated rule is that dancers (at least with Farangs) get to decide which customers they will or will not go OTC with, and usually they do this with cues or signals sent from stage.
Now on the issue of stage cues: 1. she refuses to look at you. Not good 2. Giving you a dirty look. Not good 3. A brief smile. Good even if obviously fake 4. Good eye contact. Usually good. 5. girl turns her ass toward you and point toward it all while still looking at you (generally only happens when there are next to zero customers) -usually good
Now when the mamasans point to the girl and then point toward you (when clubs are slow), then usually follow with a pelvic thrust that's a GO signal IMHO but the problem is the girl herself is not really in the loop, so i think its still best to get an independent vibe.
If the mamasan jumps on you and starts "humping" you, i guess that means any girl on stage should be ready to go with you, but same issue as above.
While everyone believes Go Go dancers are just looking in the mirror, they seem to have excellent situational awareness of where good prospects are in the club at any given moment, and some are pretty much constantly scanning the room for potential customers. While you might think you are hiding sitting far back, you will be scanned in some form, often even in crowded clubs, and if a girl wants you to barfine her, the signals will be sent, and no doubt very expllicity signals once you are at stage side.
Even if I had a "contact" number of a beautiful Go Go dancer, I wouldn't give it out, and aside from the obvious reason that any punter is free to visit the particular Go Go club themself and find the girl, there is another reason: in Go Go clubs in Bangkok the unstated rule is that dancers (at least with Farangs) get to decide which customers they will or will not go OTC with, and usually they do this with cues or signals sent from stage.
Now on the issue of stage cues: 1. She refuses to look at you. Not good 2. Giving you a dirty look. Not good 3. A brief smile. Good even if obviously fake 4. Good eye contact. Usually good. 5. Girl turns her ass toward you and point toward it all while still looking at you (generally only happens when there are next to zero customers).usually good...I am just wondering why you feel the need to post this? Has someone been pestering you for numbers of girls? I personally don't have a problem giving a fellow board member a number from one of my reports. In most cases it will help the girl involved! That's what the board is all about, sharing information. Never get attached to a bar girl BTW!
Bartchamdo
04-11-14, 13:53
That is f*ing inconvenient. Getting stuck in Makkasan is like getting stuck in the western world. Too far from the action.
If I were ever to actually stay in BKK and need to take the airport express from near Phaya Thai, the regular stops of the normal run would be impossible with luggage. Bloody mindedness to get tourists to use Makkasan perhaps?Phaya Tai is about as far from the action as Makkasan. In both cases you have to transfer to another mass transit system. In both cases you have to navigate stairs with your luggage. Phaya Tai has more stairs, but a shorter overall distance to walk. I'd guess about a 5 minute walk and 15 or 20 minutes to take the skytrain to Nana or Asok. From Makkasan station to Petchaburi MRT it's around a 10 minute walk and another 10-15 minutes to catch the next train to Sukhumwit.
In short, they're roughly the same. Neither one is that convenient, especially with lots of luggage, but neither is hugely inconvenient.
Or in the rare cases where they are ultra hot drop dead gorgeous playful ("Aibolit" quality) stunners, perhaps just work out of the mysterious, enigmatic, baffling, puzzling, and so far little understood secret world of Terminal 21.Do tell! 21?
SirWilliam4
04-11-14, 15:47
Hey Guys,
Me and a friend will be in Thailand for a week in June. Just wanted some advice from fellow members as to how the scene will be in June, is it an off season, and will that affect the prices in the city. Also any recommendation for a decent place to stay which will be guest friendly near nana will be appreciated.
Thanks in advanceTake a look at On8 Hotel. On Soi 8. Clean. New. Short walk to Nana. Girl friendly. June will be hot. Not too crowded. Not much effect on prices.
Lot's of information here if you'll take the time to read a little.
SW
Crocodilexp
04-11-14, 18:05
That is f*ing inconvenient. Getting stuck in Makkasan is like getting stuck in the western world. Too far from the action.
Not at all.
After 10pm or so, there are usually a few dozen working girls on the dark street next to railroad tracks very close to the Makkasan Airport Link station. Cross Rachada road, then continue just 200m along the tracks. 1000-1500 ST in a nearby curtain hotel. Customers usually come by taxi, but on foot is OK too.
Yeah, it's not Nana, Cowboy or any of the world-famous neon-marked spots that can be found by a blind hillbilly from Nowhere, Wyoming. But calling it "too far from the action" is inaccurate.
Not at all.
After 10pm or so, there are usually a few dozen working girls on the dark street next to railroad tracks very close to the Makkasan Airport Link station. Cross Rachada road, then continue just 200m along the tracks. 1000-1500 ST in a nearby curtain hotel. Customers usually come by taxi, but on foot is OK too.
Yeah, it's not Nana, Cowboy or any of the world-famous neon-marked spots that can be found by a blind hillbilly from Nowhere, Wyoming. But calling it "too far from the action" is inaccurate.Not far at all. And the gals are much better looking that what you would find in the Nana parking lot. Most of the clientele are local Thai dudes, so service is not exactly porn star.
Wolvenvacht
04-11-14, 18:55
Hey Guys,
Me and a friend will be in Thailand for a week in June. Just wanted some advice from fellow members as to how the scene will be in June, is it an off season, and will that affect the prices in the city. Also any recommendation for a decent place to stay which will be guest friendly near Nana will be appreciated.
Thanks in advanceEven during the lowest moment of the low season, there will still be more girls in Bangkok than you can ever hope to make love too. WG prices will not change for high or low season. Hotel prices will be lower in low season. Search the usual hotel booking sites (such as www.booking.com) for the Sukhumvit area. Most hotels in that area are guest-friendly and if you have doubts just email them and ask about their joiner fee policy for unregistered guests. Of course you must book a room for two persons!
Wolvenvacht
04-11-14, 19:10
Now on the issue of stage cues: 1. she refuses to look at you. Not good 2. Giving you a dirty look. Not good 3. A brief smile. Good even if obviously fake 4. Good eye contact. Usually good. 5. girl turns her ass toward you and point toward it all while still looking at you (generally only happens when there are next to zero customers) -usually good6. Girl allows you to lick her pussy in public while she is on stage: very very good!
While everyone believes Go Go dancers are just looking in the mirror, they seem to have excellent situational awareness of where good prospects are in the club at any given moment, and some are pretty much constantly scanning the room for potential customers. While you might think you are hiding sitting far back, you will be scanned in some form, often even in crowded clubs, and if a girl wants you to barfine her, the signals will be sent, and no doubt very expllicity signals once you are at stage side.As Nicholas Cage said in "Bangkok Dangerous" (www.imdb.com/title/tt0814022/) : "This is a city of mirrors. Eyes in the back of your head".
Western787
04-11-14, 20:09
I am just wondering why you feel the need to post this? Has someone been pestering you for numbers of girls? I personally don't have a problem giving a fellow board member a number from one of my reports. In most cases it will help the girl involved! That's what the board is all about, sharing information. Never get attached to a bar girl BTW!Would you take a girl from a Go Go and then go to your hotel and then (without telling her) have 10 of your friends waiting for her in the room? Now what group is known for that? And yes, I posted what I did for a reason. Now the example I cite is extreme (and not true of all) but IMHO it reflects a certain mindset.
Western787
04-11-14, 21:25
That's what the board is all about, sharing information. In regard to "sharing information", on Feb 3, 2014 a full 2 months before Sir Lancelot's (accurately) described "Kung" in his superb field report (describing her as a "10/10" and having "one of those faces I couldn't take my eyes off and had a dazzling smile.") I posted the following "Also super hot dancer in Rainbow 1 I saw being barfined by a scruffy looking Japanese dude. At least in terms of facial beauty, classic 10 level Japanese look stunner. Not sure of her number. A bit skinny for some though. My guess is that she had done a barfine or two earlier. I cannot imagine a girl that stunning just hanging on the stage all night. Of course when she was picked by the Jap dude, she was absolutely over the top enthusiastic and was acting like she has won the lottery, and his 2 friends also picked girls with a Japanese look. Not sure how the vibe would be with a westerner unless big bucks was being tossed around."
Its well known that one is not typically (particularly in quantity) going to see girls in Go Go's in Bangkok precisely comparable to the world class stunners one might run across on an everyday/ every few minute(s) basis in for example Terminal 21, so when someone on the open boards posts he spotted a flat out "classic 10 level Japanese look stunner" (in this case facial beauty at least) dancer and names the club, any bloke can follow this up and check it out himself, so the poster is hardly holding back information. These boards if read carefully contain a treasure trove of information
6. Girl allows you to lick her pussy in public while she is on stage: very very good! .Back in the late 90s early 00s old Hollywood Strip / Carousel Bar on the third floor used to have "pussy eating time" at 11 pm every night. About six or so gals would come out, sit on the front carousel stage bottomless and dudes could come up, tip them 20 baht or so, and eat a little poon.
Ah, the good ole days. I miss them. Can't imagine this happening in any BKK bar these days. Maybe Fannys or the like, but doubtful.
Wolvenvacht
04-12-14, 07:58
6. Girl allows you to lick her pussy in public while she is on stage: very very good! Back in the late 90s early 00s old Hollywood Strip / Carousel Bar on the third floor used to have "pussy eating time" at 11 pm every night. About six or so gals would come out, sit on the front carousel stage bottomless and dudes could come up, tip them 20 baht or so, and eat a little poon.
Ah, the good ole days. I miss them. Can't imagine this happening in any BKK bar these days. Maybe Fannys or the like, but doubtful.Happened to me in Suzie Wong two years ago.
WhiteTiger666
04-12-14, 09:46
So I guess it is time for a short trip report.
I hope it is ok to split the report into two posts, one for each day.
I had the opportunity to include two nights in Bangkok over the weekend last week before business meetings would take over post of my time on this trip again.
Arrived last Saturday early afternoon and too a taxi into town. We had a bit of traffic on the highway but my driver found some really creative ways to try and pass it on side streets.
We eventually arrived at Sukhumvit Soi 2 and I checked into the Majestic Grande Hotel. I will post a short review in the Hotel section but let me just say that I was happy with my choice of hotel.
I am not an "eight girls in 48 hours" type of guy anymore. That happened by accident a few years back in Pattaya but a little less but more quality is what I prefer at this time. Anyway, I did not have too much time available and had made a very easy plan for the two days: Saturday; Annie's in the afternoon, NEP in the evening, Sunday: Shopping Siam Square Area, late afternoon Dr BJ and round it off with a visit to Soi Cowboy.
Let the fun begin:
Annie's is located directly across from the Majestic Grande and so the decision to go there right after my arrival was an easy one: A good massage with extras after a long haul flight just seems to be logical, to me at least. I will put a more detailed report in the appropriate thread and can summarize it here short with: I had a very enjoyable time with #8 and left happy and relaxed after about 1.5 hours.
2500 baht standard fee + 200 baht tip.
Since it was around 5 pm by that time I strolled over to NEP. It is easily reachable from Annie's (and the Majestic Grande of course) through the sub Soi between Soi 2 and 4 past the Rajah Hotel. I took a front row seat at Big Dogs at the entrance of the Plaza. The combination of happy hour beer, free wifi and the ensuing show with the arrival of the girls for the night is something I really enjoyed.
After a few beers there I left and got some food, replenished the needed support materials for the night and freshened up at the hotel.
As mentioned before Nana was my target for the evening and so my first stop was at Rainbow 4. The line up of girls was really great and something for every taste: girls with a small frame, natural small A / B sized tits, very shapely girls with huge bolt ons, normal girls and a few chubbies. It was quite full, the mood was good so I stayed for a beer but did not see anything I needed to take out right away.
Next stop: Angelwitch. I have to admit that I am a rock guy so the music at Angelwitch suits my taste. I don't really care that much for the shows although I have to say that they are pretty good. Anyway I stayed for a while and checked out the girls: There were some really nice ones but again nothing that needed immediate booking. One thing I noted at Angelwitch was that there were no silicone enhanced breast to be seen. The downside is that many girls had really nothing to show and play with in that department, most had small Bs to A and below.
Next on my plan to visit was Wild Things. The interior is a bit too sterile for my taste and with only a few punters it did not have a nice atmosphere for me. The girls, on the other hand, were absolutely to my taste: At that evening Wild Things had the best selection of thin, but not skinny girls with nice small and tight asses and firm and nicely shaped B sized tits. There were one or two that I would have liked but I somehow did not get a connection to either of them. I like to start off my selection process with a bit of smiling going back and forth to establish a mutual feeling that the night could be good for both parties. But somehow this did not work out at Wild Things that night. Oh well, time to move on.
Not sure why but I headed back to Angelwitch. Sat down ordered a beer and spotted a small cutie with a small tight ass and A cup tits. Made eye contact, which this time worked right away, and ordered a drink for her. After her dance shift we got talking a little bit and I more and more got the impression that I have found my girl for the night. After another dance shift she brought another girl with her and suggested that I take both of them back to the hotel. The other girl had a great slim body, very firm ass and B sized tits, a little bit Chinese type, hair dyed orange. I had not really planned a threesome, as the results were sometimes mixed, even at DD, but on the other hand: F*ck it! This is Bangkok and this is what I am here for. I payed and we left for the hotel. Girls left their ID at the reception (mandatory) and we went up to the room. The girls showered first, then me. What followed was really great threesome to my surprise. Always a girl in front and in the back of me, or a tight little ass in my face with my member in some hole or other, double sucking, rimming, lots of switching back and forth with many condoms being used, the works. I have not had any expectations but it turned out to be a great night with quite a bit of PSE. After about 2 hours and two pops later I was exhausted and sent one of the two home, kept the one with the orange hair. I was just in the mood to fall asleep with some firm tits and ass to play with. There was a lot of smiling, hugging and kissing, as she seemed very happy to stay until the morning. Sweet! The night ended with an unspectacular round of early morning sex, after which I sent her on her way. A perfect day for me!
Rates: BF: 700, ST: 2000, LT: 4000
WhiteTiger666
04-12-14, 09:50
After such a great night on the first day, Day was starting off much slower: breakfast buffet at the hotel was quite nice and I was surprised that I made it downstairs in time.
After that I took a taxi to shopping mall area around Siam BTS. MBK, Siam Paragon, walking around and buying bits and pieces. Went back to the hotel early afternoon. Relaxed a bit and then started to walk towards Soi 7/1. Dr BJ experience was the plan. Walked passed Eden Club but the girls outside were not to my liking at all, so continued down the soi. Unfortunately the girls sitting in front of Dr BJ also were not really turning me on. I admit that it was quite early in the day, but I just could not convince myself to go inside and see what else is on offer. So that part of my plan was fucked.
Not letting this disturb my generally good mood, I went back to Big Dogs at the entrance of NEP and had a few "happy hour beers" with complimentary wifi. It is just a circus what is going on at the entrance of NEP from 5 pm to around 8 pm. Do yourself the favor and take the time to just sit there, have a beer and watch what is going on around you.
After a light snack I took a taxi to Soi Cowboy, as that was the plan for tonight. I started my exploration at the back of Soi Cowboy: Crazy Horse. And what a great start it was! As I entered and the curtains were pulled back, I saw about 30 cute girls in their birthday suites dancing and jumping around on stage. All natural tits and some real lookers. Great selection! The place was pretty much packed (on a Sunday!) and the mood across girls and punters seemed to be great! In the second shift of dancers I spotted a real cutie for me: tall, slim, a bit exotic face, dark, slanted eyes, full lips, tight ass, . Perfect! #59 IIRC. I ordered another beer and waited for her to reappear on stage. Unfortunately I seemed to have missed her somehow. Probably went with another customer already. Oh well, bad luck. Another 10. 000 girls around to choose from.
So turned into Soi Cowboy and checked out a few more GoGos. It was a bit of a disappointment! Tilac was boring with not many dancers or punters (it was around 10:00 pm). Went into Shark's, Long Gun and a few more but was underwhelmed. I shortly considered going to one of these high end places like La Belle instead, but decided otherwise in the end. Not bringing a girl back to the hotel for some serious bed time action was not an option!
So I headed back to Nana Plaza to check out some more GoGos.
In the end I somehow ended up in Spanky's. A very much party atmosphere, some drunk punters having a lot of fun, a very good show girl on stage about every hour, at least two falang couples getting appetite from the sexy girls and on stage performance and almost doing the full thing right next to the stage: it is hard to describe what was going on but it was great and a lot of fun. I found a sexy girl with long legs, nicely shaped A cup tits, long hair (extensions as I found out later) and a great ass. She was constantly smiling and flirting with me from the stage, so I called her over for a drink. She was one of the show dancers there and is featured in the January photo shoot on the Spank'why homepage (pic #6 and following). After a bit of harmless groping (on both sides) I decided to barfine her. She said that she needed to do two more shows before heading back to the hotel with me. In the end it turned out to be great. She was funny, sweet, friendly and did all the right things in my hotel room with the right amount of PSE for me. We were both pretty exhausted after the session (see pic) and I sent her on her way after a great ST session with no issues at all.
Rates: BF: 700, ST: 2000.
That was all the time I had for mongering purposes, the rest of the trip in Asia is purely business.
Not too interested in the places you named (Soi Cowboy, Nana) and much prefer Som's or one of the parlors like Tulip, or Snow White. Hence, for me, it is a nuisance getting stuck there. I'm also not interested in street WGs. I'm different like that. So for me, it is the middle of nowhere. Thanks.
Not at all.
After 10pm or so, there are usually a few dozen working girls on the dark street next to railroad tracks very close to the Makkasan Airport Link station. Cross Rachada road, then continue just 200m along the tracks. 1000-1500 ST in a nearby curtain hotel. Customers usually come by taxi, but on foot is OK too.
Yeah, it's not Nana, Cowboy or any of the world-famous neon-marked spots that can be found by a blind hillbilly from Nowhere, Wyoming. But calling it "too far from the action" is inaccurate.
Relaxed a bit and then started to walk towards Soi 7/1. Dr BJ experience was the plan. Walked passed Eden Club but the girls outside were not to my liking at all, so continued down the soi. Unfortunately the girls sitting in front of Dr BJ also were not really turning me on. I admit that it was quite early in the day, but I just could not convince myself to go inside and see what else is on offer. So that part of my plan was fucked.
Crazy Horse. And what a great start it was! As I entered and the curtains were pulled back, I saw about 30 cute girls in their birthday suites dancing and jumping around on stage. All natural tits and some real lookers. Great selection! The place was pretty much packed (on a Sunday!) and the mood across girls and punters seemed to be great! In the second shift of dancers I spotted a real cutie for me: tall, slim, a bit exotic face, dark, slanted eyes, full lips, tight ass, . Perfect! #59 IIRC. I ordered another beer and waited for her to reappear on stage. Unfortunately I seemed to have missed her somehow.
In the end I somehow ended up in Spanky's. A very much party atmosphere, some drunk punters having a lot of fun, a very good show girl on stage about every hour, at least two falang couples getting appetite from the sexy girls and on stage performance and almost doing the full thing right next to the stage: it is hard to describe what was going on but it was great and a lot of fun. I found a sexy girl with long legs, nicely shaped A cup tits, long hair (extensions as I found out later) and a great ass. She was constantly smiling and flirting with me from the stage, so I called her over for a drink. She was one of the show dancers there and is featured in the January photo shoot on the Spank'why homepage (pic #6 and following). After a bit of harmless groping (on both sides) I decided to barfine her. She said that she needed to do two more shows before heading back to the hotel with me. In the end it turned out to be great.Better looking girls at Dr BJ start to arrive late afternoon. Some are better looking than I reasonably expected. I don't mind if they are over 25 years old. You could have been too early.
I believe I previously wrote that #59 (if I remember number correctly) at Crazy House is a girl with very bad personality despite a pretty face. You may have been lucky to miss her. Pretty face, fairly significant nose (not wide though) and small tits.
La Belle is one of my least favourite up market Soapies these days. Hard to find lookers that perform and not dick scared there. Many seem to do mediocre BJ and want to fuck 5 mins. I have had poor success rate there. Only really one ex favourite I saw many times was any good for me. However my taste in girls is abnormal as I don't like the nose jobs and silicones.
I agree that Spankies has a few nice girls. I found a good one there not long ago. Mine had teeth braces.
That is f*ing inconvenient. Getting stuck in Makkasan is like getting stuck in the western world. Too far from the action.
If I were ever to actually stay in BKK and need to take the airport express from near Phaya Thai, the regular stops of the normal run would be impossible with luggage. Bloody mindedness to get tourists to use Makkasan perhaps?Years ago, I used to stay in Hotels in Makkasan (e. G. D'Ma) , and it did not inhibit my mongering at all. Soapy CP II was close. Also Plaza, Aqua and Petchburi Soapies. Not far from MRT to go to Ratchada. Also easy motorcycle ride to Nana. Just so happens, I wasn't into Oily ugly porn stars back then. O.K. These days Makkasan traffic is bad, but motorcycle through back Sois is quick enough.
Not that its relevant to the Airport Express in any way at all. If you were ever actually in BKK, why would you need to take Airport express from Phaya Thai? Just forget the Airport express unless it happens to really suit you. For years it never existed.
O.K. You only do PSE Oilies. It was me I wouldn't want to stay right next to Tulip or the others. Working girls outside coming or leaving might recognise me too often.
These days I am very happy to stay close to Petchaburi MRT station. I find I can get to a wide range of mongering destinations quite quickly.
Happened to me in Suzie Wong two years ago.Happened to you? Ha Ha! Surely you were the one responsible for it. LOL.
Yes rarer but still exists. Still some wayward girls around. Very disappointing when "Maa" left SW. She was very raunchy and a damn good fuck too. I still have plenty of regular girls at SW. They don't mind if I grope them inside the knickers a bit. Its normal for girls to grope and massage your dick too. Even a married waitress has massaged my dick from outside the shorts. I reckon some bargirls would allow a pussy lick too, I just haven't tried recently since I don't want to show off too much. Girls do get slightly concerned that what they do with one customer, will be copied by the other customers, and they don't necessarily want to provide same level of raunchiness to everyone.
Many years ago in Phat Phong it was very common to molest girls in the bar or lick their pussies. Fire Cat, Pussy Galore, Kangaroo, Rose, Star of Light etc. Still can be done at some of these bars. Also BJ type bars in Soi Cowboy I guess. I haven't really been in one lately.
If I was to go to SOL, I would certainly expect to lick some pussy in the bar.
Lord Necros
04-12-14, 18:46
Hey guys.
There really isn't a lot of recent FRs for the Eden Club. Is the place so dead that noone even visits it? _<
So I am going to book a session at Eden and was wondering which pair to pick?
Som is probably the only one I have ever even seen mentioned here. But she seems too old now.
I am going for the sleazy / nasty / PSE fun.
Any recommendations?
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