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Why there is guys willing to waste time in working contacts, lie (and be lied) then have a fair share of disappointment in situations that often are borderline to embarrassment, just to have a free fuck, is beyond me to understand...You're right. Free fucks are nice but not worth the hassle.
Old guys know best.
My non-pros usually tell me that they don't care if I fuck pros, I just can not give my heart to anyone else and care for anyone else.You need to understand Thai women better.
What that statement says is.
I like you but do not love you. You are ok and perhaps good husband / long term BF material in that you are ok to be with and can elevate my status to an acceptable level and I will have more money. Therefore, on this basis its ok for you to fuck around as that will keep you with me as you think you have a stready GF and can play around. In fact I am letting you fuck around as I know it will mean you want sex with me less, you will be happy and stay with me and also I can have a BF and if I get caught then there is no hassle as I will cry and talk about all the times you did it with others.
Thats what it says. Thai women are very much into compromise, they will go with the best bet for the moment and be willing to compromise in order to elevate their financial status.
Sushilover808
05-31-11, 08:57
Found Kate at the corner of Soi 5 & Sukhumvit near the telephone booths. I actually saw her in June 2010 and it was fantastic. Made a deal for 1000 baht ST for 3 hole service. After about 1/2 hour of service she started complaining saying,"You machine. I'm hurt." Disappointing service. No finish for me & only 800 baht for her for effort. Phone number not posted per the request of fellow ISG board members. Good hunting!
WARNING: Some pictures are nasty. Open & enjoy if like the NASTY.
NicFrenchy
05-31-11, 12:02
You're right. Free fucks are nice but not worth the hassle.
Old guys know best. Disagree. It all depends on the story one builds when dealing with non pros. I have been very successful in doing this and absolutely none of them hassles me for anything (other than sex of course)
NicFrenchy
05-31-11, 12:04
Open & enjoy if like the NASTY.Yes, the pics are indeed nasty.
Found Kate at the corner of Soi 5 & Sukhumvit near the telephone booths. I actually saw her in June 2010 and it was fantastic. Made a deal for 1000 baht ST for 3 hole service. After about 1/2 hour of service she started complaining saying,"You machine. I'm hurt." Disappointing service. No finish for me & only 800 baht for her for effort. Phone number not posted per the request of fellow ISG board members. Good hunting!
WARNING: Some pictures are nasty. Open & enjoy if like the NASTY. WOW. That hole is deep, dry, and really wide. Wonder if those pics are before or after the dirty deed. If before. Scary. If after- I can understand why she was complaining.
Either way, like sushilover808 said, NASTY. Better not have put your lips down there. YUCK!
Was down Soi Cowboy Sunday night. Went to Midnite to take away a cutie I saw the other week. She was totally disinterested, but so were most of the cute ones there. Gave up after 1 beer and went to Afterskool for a quick BBBJ instead.
GoldenTouch80
05-31-11, 15:45
Heyy guys had a lovely time in Bangkok after little disappointing experience in tokyo. I specially had given myself 2 days just to have some serious fun in BKK. So checked into Grand President on sukhumvit soi 11. Booked a suite.
Firstday went to a go go bar in nana plaza. Had a lvoely girl who claimed to be half japanese. Was really hot. But she said she will be wiht me for 2 hrs but when we finished our deed in arnd 30 mins. She ws ready to leave. Well anyways I too had a good budget in my hands so thot why nt try something new.
Had another girl from the same bar. But her smelling mouth turned me off and I myself finished the deed (anyhow) and opened the door for her.
Called it a night as it was my first day and was really tired as had landed from tokyo same day.
Next day got too late finishing some work which came up on the last moment and had walked miles in a particular mall. So decided to skip that night, but as soon as I was asleep and got a call late night at arnd 2:30. My jhonny started trying hard coming out of my pants. So off I went. A cabbie guy down the hotel took me to honey club. Which by now was about to close. But I didn't like the selection out there. Then he took me to club xl (or something similar) I kinda liked a young chick. 20 yrs sweet and petite. I act at first was walking off as nothign made me squirm from within. But then thought. What the hell. Sleep. And park my thing into some flesh. . And tht mamasan said he is giving her for long time till morning. So. Anyways took that young girl to my hotel. She was nice and sweet. Once we reached the room. We bathed and afterr little bit of kissing she asked me to pump it in. I thought will unload it right now and then after sometgime the 2nd one will be the best shot. Finished it. She was too small and it was clearly painful for her. So did it with little caution. Finished. And she went to the shower room. And after sometime I see her coming out fully dressed and even with the purse in her hands."I have to go to school" I have to study" "my teacher doesn't know I work" blah blah. Called the mamasan who initially didn't pick up and thne is telling me tht let her go she has work tomo! WTF! I said you promised till morning and he said you come again tomo. Give you another good one for more time. And I didn't scare the girl at any point bt I guess she was still thinking maybe I won't let her go so tht mamasan wanted to know my hotel name so tht he comes there to pick her up!
Anyways I let her go bt felt cheated.
SO next day I realised no matter how much we try the girls want to finish fast and look for the next cust. So decided to hire an escort (I know despite some strong reactions from some member saying booking an escorts in BKK is the stupidest thing. But still. Yes I booked". Booked a girl for 10 hrs and if I liked the girl will call for another one. Was thinking about threesome as it ws my last night.
Girls arrived bang on time. The provider said she will send two girls so tht if I like both I can keep them. Welli liked just one. She was cute youngand exactly as I wanted. Had a really lovely time. She was not the regular girl we find on streets who have to act tht they are having sex. She was turned ON. (I know about the fake moans. Its not about them tht I'm referring) its te real SEX THT I LIKED. I cud feel real difference between the sex with te regulars at go go bars and the escort girl.
With the escort which I had. I really felt I was making love to a lady / girl. Where's with the other girls I felt it was something humanlike. So I might be an odd man out but I still rate escorts. Little better if one is looking for quality time. MAybe its bcoz the girl and me gelled well. But I definately if think about sex that I had in Bangkok then it was ONLY with her that I felt I had sex. For the rest it was a contract that they were finishing.
Found Kate at the corner of Soi 5 & Sukhumvit near the telephone booths. I actually saw her in June 2010 and it was fantastic. Made a deal for 1000 baht ST for 3 hole service. After about 1/2 hour of service she started complaining saying,"You machine. I'm hurt." Disappointing service. No finish for me & only 800 baht for her for effort. Phone number not posted per the request of fellow ISG board members. Good hunting!
WARNING: Some pictures are nasty. Open & enjoy if like the NASTY. Great pictures man! Horrible pussy but technically great pics, love the detail. Find some sweet young puss and post her!
JD
You're right. Free fucks are nice but not worth the hassle.Like Frenchy, I disagree with that statement, but I realize it depends on the guy's personality. If you enjoy the company of women, non-pros are best, and pros are good for occasional R&R and extra variety. If you don't, then pros are the way, you pay them to leave as the saying goes.
Arriving in BKK on Thursday. I saw Hangover II last night and thought it might be fun to visit the outdoor high rise lounge / restaurant where some of it was filmed. Any idea which building / hotel that was?
Also would be curious to check out any upscale lounges with live music. Older guy here not as focused on the women as in my many past trips. Just want to see some new territory. Thanks.
Arriving in BKK on Thursday. I saw Hangover II last night and thought it might be fun to visit the outdoor high rise lounge / restaurant where some of it was filmed. Any idea which building / hotel that was?
Also would be curious to check out any upscale lounges with live music. Older guy here not as focused on the women as in my many past trips. Just want to see some new territory. Thanks. I haven't seen the film but I read it was Sirocco at the Dome State Tower / Lebua, it's much more stunning than Vertigo at Banyan Tree Hotel or Red Sky at Centara Grand Hotel!
Dress code smart casual and men must have shoes.
Here's BKK top floor bars:
Sirocco at the Dome: www.thedomebkk.com/web/index.html
Vertigo: www.banyantree.com/bangkok/Vertigo.Html.
Red Sky (newest) : centarahotelsresorts.Com/cgcw/restaurant.Asp
Like Frenchy, I disagree with that statement, but I realize it depends on the guy's personality. If you enjoy the company of women, non-pros are best, and pros are good for occasional R&R and extra variety. If you don't, then pros are the way, you pay them to leave as the saying goes.I enjoy the company of women, as long as their mouth is full the entire time. For example, it could be stuffed with hot dog, tongue, nipple, etc.
Doing this with non P4P would not work for me for various reasons, including my difficulty in keeping track of the multitude of lies I'd have to tell, if I accept what is being said here. With P4P gals I only need to tell a lie on occasion and listen to many, so it's much easier. Besides, I'm a lousy liar.
Was down Soi Cowboy Sunday night. Went to Midnite to take away a cutie I saw the other week. She was totally disinterested, but so were most of the cute ones there. Gave up after 1 beer and went to Afterskool for a quick BBBJ instead.Can't say I've had any problem finding interested girls there, although only some are interesting. Maybe she was waiting for someone else, like me.
Found Kate. Disappointing service. No finish for me & only 800 baht for her for effort. Phone number not posted per the request of fellow ISG board members. Good hunting!
WARNING: Some pictures are nasty. Open & enjoy if like the NASTY. I think that if the service was disappointing there is no need indeed to give means to track this girl.
Or do you want to share the disappointment with others? LOL.
Nasty pictures? I rate some a bit. Dirty!
Found Kate at the corner of Soi 5 & Sukhumvit near the telephone booths. I actually saw her in June 2010 and it was fantastic. Made a deal for 1000 baht ST for 3 hole service. After about 1/2 hour of service she started complaining saying,"You machine. I'm hurt." Disappointing service. No finish for me & only 800 baht for her for effort.She hurt. IOW it was time to get to her next "date" or yaba? This type of con is why I often request an upfront agreement re payment for time doing a service, e. G. 1000B for 30 minute BBBJ & 30 minute fuck in 3 positions, A, B, and C. Tip if very good or overtime. If she fails to fulfill her end of the agreement, then she doesn't get paid, or recieves a partial payment, such as 500B for 30 minutes, if she's lucky.
P4P TGs are often rip off artists, so I feel it's best for me to be very specific about what I want & what she'll get. For example I sometimes tell her 1000B for good service. 1500B for very good, and 2000B for amazing. In saying this I'm hoping she's going to give me her best rather than a half hearted, rude or rushed performance.
IME if you are reasonably generous in Thailand you are probably going to get what you pay for, whether that's tipping the hotel staff, restaurant workers, or P4P girls. I certainly recieve special services that most others don't.
I think that if the service was disappointing there is no need indeed to give means to track this girl. Or do you want to share the disappointment with others? LOL.Service? Maybe he got lost in the cavern or the Sushi wasn't fresh.
So. Anyways took that young girl to my hotel. She was nice and sweet. Once we reached the room. We bathed and afterr little bit of kissing she asked me to pump it in. I thought will unload it right now and then after sometgime the 2nd one will be the best shot. Finished it. She was too small and it was clearly painful for her. So did it with little caution. Finished. And she went to the shower room. And after sometime I see her coming out fully dressed and even with the purse in her hands."I have to go to school" I have to study" "my teacher doesn't know I work" blah blah. Called the mamasan who initially didn't pick up and thne is telling me tht let her go she has work tomo! WTF! I said you promised till morning and he said you come again tomo. Give you another good one for more time. And I didn't scare the girl at any point bt I guess she was still thinking maybe I won't let her go so tht mamasan wanted to know my hotel name so tht he comes there to pick her up!So let me guess. You paid the mamasan before you took the girl right?
NicFrenchy
06-01-11, 00:19
I enjoy the company of women, as long as their mouth is full the entire time. For example, it could be stuffed with hot dog, tongue, nipple, etc.
Doing this with non P4P would not work for me for various reasons, including my difficulty in keeping track of the multitude of lies I'd have to tell, if I accept what is being said here. With P4P gals I only need to tell a lie on occasion and listen to many, so it's much easier. Besides, I'm a lousy liar. Well, That's why I said the Story you build is very important. Of course I lie, but it's always the same Lie so I have no problem remembering.
Hi,
Is the news out already how elections will be handled this time?
No alcohol on 2nd and 3rd until midnight I think as always, but are the gogos and bars open or closed?
Anyone knows?
Mike
GoldenTouch80
06-01-11, 09:01
So let me guess. You paid the mamasan before you took the girl right?Yes Buddy you are Bang on the core of the problem. I paid at the club. And then she came with me to the hotel. But do the clubs send the girls without tkaing the money?
Sushilover808
06-01-11, 10:08
WOW. That hole is deep, dry, and really wide. Wonder if those pics are before or after the dirty deed. If before. Scary. If after- I can understand why she was complaining.
Either way, like sushilover808 said, NASTY. Better not have put your lips down there. YUCK! Yes, I wiped the area then took pictures. Pictures k1 & k2 were before. Pictures K5, k6, & k7 were after. I don't know why they are shown out of order. Her ass was similarly stretched! Hope you enjoyed the pictures!
Sushilover808
06-01-11, 10:13
Great pictures man! Horrible pussy but technically great pics, love the detail. Find some sweet young puss and post her!
JDI have not been able to find any young girls that do anal. Please let me know if you find one.
Sushilover808
06-01-11, 10:15
Arriving in BKK on Thursday. I saw Hangover II last night and thought it might be fun to visit the outdoor high rise lounge / restaurant where some of it was filmed. Any idea which building / hotel that was?
Also would be curious to check out any upscale lounges with live music. Older guy here not as focused on the women as in my many past trips. Just want to see some new territory. Thanks. Http://www.lebua.com/en/the-dome-dining/sirocco-restaurant/
Sushilover808
06-01-11, 10:25
Service? Maybe he got lost in the cavern or the Sushi wasn't fresh.But very fun to open the cavern.
I have not been able to find any young girls that do anal. Please let me know if you find one.Go to to Tulip and ask for one of their "young" girls. It's a "no brainer," man!
Hi,
Is the news out already how elections will be handled this time?
No alcohol on 2nd and 3rd until midnight I think as always, but are the gogos and bars open or closed?
Anyone knows?
MikeMichi,
Difficult issue.
There is a "training" session for the election the week before. No joke. Most likely the week before the election alcohol sales stop at 6 pm on Saturday until midnight on Sunday. (Background: Regulations about early voting, if for some reasons people are not in Thailand on the 3rd of July).
On the 2nd for sure no alcohol after 6 pm. Sunday no alcohol until midnight.
Democracy is a serious issue here in Thailand. It is that serious that the police considers it to be the big pay-day. Especially non-voters (foreigners) drinking or selling alcohol that day (s) are highly appreciated income sources to finance the new car for the [new] mia-nois.
Most of the bars will be open. Many of them will sell alcohol in cups and bowls. A bit hidden. Watch for snipers on the roof, you never know, how seriously democracy is taken in just that moment of opening the beer bottle. Always remember that we are farang, and important people here in Thailand "don't respect farang" (deputy prime minister Suthep). Even worse, some of those farang are "farang bastards" (Suthep about Robert Amsterdam).
Check out who is around you in the bar[s]. If you see Mr. Prayuth - leave. If you wear flip-flops with the face of the PM printed on them - You should leave very very fast! Mr. Prayuth ordered that nobody is allowed to sell and wear those flip-flops. Now, there is [of course] no law in Thailand that forbids this kind of shoes. But Mr. Prayuth ordered that. And that is somehow something similar to a law. So. FOLLOW THE LAWS. Thai's take democracy very seriously!
BTW, Sex is not allowed during those election days (Saturday & Sunday the week before, Saturday & Sunday of the election weekend). Thais shall concentrate on voting! No distraction. If you take a girl out of a bar you have to expect long discussions about the political issues of Thailand: Aehhh. Hmmmmm. Thaksin gooooooood! . You can help her in recommending Party / Candidate No. 15 on the ballots. That's Mr. Chuwit and his "Rak Prathet Thai" party. Some years ago Mr. Chuwit owned most of the massage parlours here in Bangkok (Victoria's Secret etc.). He sold all of them and built the Davis Hotel. May be he can be convinced by his voters to roll this sudden desire for "respectability" back, sell the hotel and build some new massage parlours. .
Democracy is a serious issue here in Thailand. It's that serious that most of the serious opposition politicians meet to a huge party that day. In prison. I don't know whether you can cast your ballot in prison, or whether they allow alcohol there (most likely yes). All that does not matter - I think it is clearly visible how seriously democracy is taken if the ruling power "convinces" the opposition politicians to meet in prison.
There is another election party outside of the prison: The Banned Politician Frustration Boozing Party! For sure the drink alcohol there. All those politicians who are not allowed of being candidates because they are banned from politics for 5 years. That's really hard for them, they decided to "donate" their lifes to the public, work hard for the people - and fill their pockets with "public" tax income of the government. That's fair, right? --- And now they are banned from politics. That's a reason to drink. I understand that.
But - we should take it easy. After the election we are back in 2005. Everything is fine.
Did I forget something?
Giotto.
http://www.livingstones.co.th
PS: The coup was 2006.
BTW, Sex is not allowed during those election days (Saturday & Sunday the week before, Saturday & Sunday of the election weekend). Thais shall concentrate on voting! No distraction. If you take a girl out of a bar you have to expect long discussions about the political issues of Thailand: Aehhh. Hmmmmm. Thaksin gooooooood! . You can help her in recommending Party / Candidate No. 15 on the ballots. That's Mr. Chuwit and his "Rak Prathet Thai" party. Some years ago Mr. Chuwit owned most of the massage parlours here in Bangkok (Victoria's Secret etc.). He sold all of them and built the Davis Hotel. May be he can be convinced by his voters to roll this sudden desire for "respectability" back, sell the hotel and build some new massage parlours. .
Did I forget something? Giotto,
Chuwit used to own most parlors? Slight exaggeration he he! How many Soapy Parlours exist in Bangkok and surrounds, probably hundreds. Chuwit did have a few though in the old days. Good honest living. ;) Actually Victoria's Secret is probably the most obscure of what was the Davis Group parlours, due to its strange location and even marked on Maps incorrectly by Thai experts who probably never went there. Most of the other Soapies in the group are more well known although now sold to other groups. Copacabana, Emmanuelle, Honolulu (now Long Beach) , Hi Class, Victoria's Secret, and Julianna (La Defense). BTW, most of these are on the superior Soapies list (worth a try).
No publicity at all for Mr. Abhisit?, the man who cannot even sensibly spell his own name (in English). Unfortunately his surname is spelled nothing at all like how it sounds.
Abhisit Vejjajiva, Thai: อภิสิทธิ์ เวชชาชีวะ
Here is a much better approximate spelling: Aphisit Wetchaachiwa (or A-[CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140)-it Wait-char-chee-wa: )
There are no V or J sounds in his surname at all whether using English or other European languages.
Abhisit has been trying to woo over the poorer people by having free electricity and water (for the very low frugal users) and subsidised education expenses like free travel on public transport for students, however the poor people are not satisifed with some help they never before got. Give them a little and they want to take a mile. They want all eduction costs to be paid for. They want everything to be free. Its too tiresome to work for money. They want the most talented corruption experts like Thaksin back. In the end it doesn't matter how corrupt he is and how much he lines his own pockets as long as Thai enconomy is going better. Don't for a minute think I would vote for Abhisit (if I were a Thai). Who can be happy with all the killings, specially the innocent bypassers by snipers, even though some of the red-shirts did dreadful things? The Thaksin group seems to have better control of the media and suppressing news not in their favour. Maybe Mr. Chuwit is the one to support, supposedly to help keep the others honest.
Meanwhile the economy suffers from inept politicians, corruption, global warming, China dams, Natural disasters, Floods, Issan many year doughts, reduced tourism due to Yellows blocking the airport, Red blockades, Snipers, Reds burning down the shopping complexes, SARS, Bird Flue, Tsunamis, etc. It makes the regular Coups of the past seem very insignificant. Forgive me for stating the obvious (for newbies who may not have experienced it all).
Thailand has really gone to shit for the poor, except for isolated provinces like Satun, where everything goes on just fine. Meanwhile Thailand is still just fine for us mongers, due to mongering places for Farangs being much less busy. All the so called reasons for not travelling to Thailand hold very little practical sense at all. Its a very safe country unless you stupidly go near or get involved where the shit is happening and where you are told very clearly not to go. Hard to say if Thailand will become less safe in the future, but not a worry just yet.
If we are talking about Thai pussy, its extra fresh here in BKK.
For Japanese very fresh Sushi,"Toaya" (closed Tuesdays) in Sukumvit Soi 33/1 (out back of Villa Markt etc.) is very fresh and well priced and open for lunch and dinner. Yes its hard to find really well priced quality Japanese food but does exist.
I am a very experienced Japanese diner so I do known something.
Red Square
06-02-11, 10:07
They don't want to come to the hotel not because I mentioned sex, I did not. I have said I am looking for somthing.
Serious.
To get laid with a non pro you need time and time. Outside BKK it may be different or not but this is the status.
Even in my country the ladies are more easy to fuck. I want my flight ticket money back.
About NEP, more ladyboys clubs then ladies. I visit NEP yesterday.
Tomorrow I will try Pattaya. I've never found it difficult, really. I usually have, at least, one freebie per trip to Thailand. Tagged works best for me. I've been really successful with it.
Lying, and saying you want something, will probably be a red light if you're just on a trip. Just be straight forward.
Hi,
Is the news out already how elections will be handled this time?
No alcohol on 2nd and 3rd until midnight I think as always, but are the gogos and bars open or closed?
Anyone knows?
MikeCurious also; as I will be in Bangkok at that time.
SunLover
I haven't seen the film but I read it was Sirocco at the Dome State Tower / Lebua, it's much more stunning than Vertigo at Banyan Tree Hotel or Red Sky at Centara Grand Hotel!
Dress code smart casual and men must have shoes.
Here's BKK top floor bars:
Sirocco at the Dome:
www.thedomebkk.com/web/index.html
Vertigo:
www.banyantree.com/bangkok/Vertigo.Html
Red Sky (newest) :
centarahotelsresorts.Com/cgcw/restaurant.AspYes you are right, Sirocco is the most stunning but not only in views but also with its over the moon drink costs!
NicFrenchy
06-02-11, 14:12
Can you guys keep your political shit out of this forum?
As a tourist, I don't want to read this stuff.
Papae Noel
06-03-11, 01:53
Personally, I appreciate the perspective on the politics.
Any idea how to contact Old Thai Hand? I have a question for him.
Can you guys keep your political shit out of this forum?
As a tourist, I don't want to read this stuff. Only "sex tourism" I presume. ;) Did you have time for any normal (other) tourism?
A forum like this has many shit reports that can be skipped over if desired. Just read the good informative reports, and ignore the rest, especially those negativity packed ones.
Yes Buddy you are Bang on the core of the problem. I paid at the club. And then she came with me to the hotel. But do the clubs send the girls without tkaing the money?Only at MP's do you pay upfront, how much did you pay for LT, and Is Honey club a MP?
NicFrenchy
06-03-11, 16:17
Personally, I appreciate the perspective on the politics.You completely missed my point. But anyway. There is a section about Thai Politics in the other forum. The one where us expats have been asked to hang out and talk about serious matters.
This thread was about ST and LT prices only and the Tourists ruled.
Last time in BKK, I picked up a FL on the south side of Suk, near Soi 5. They usually hang out near the bus stop there.
Very cute with nice smile. I have picked up FL's there several times in the past.
She takes me to a ST hotel off Soi 3. We agreed on 700 ST. The hotel cost 200.
When we got to the room, we started some DFK. Then she pulled down my pants and gave me one of the best BBBJ's I have ever had. It lasted a good 15 minutes with lots of slurping, looking up and smiling. I was reaching down the back of her skirt and playing with her asshole and butt during the BJ. Her top was off and she had great tits that I played with also. I then laid on top of her and we kissed. Damn, if I didn't start to feel a cock bulging. I said "Oh shit". I got out of there quickly and told her I did not know. I went back to my hotel took a long shower and drank mouthwash. Felt pretty stupid that I did not know it was LB.
Last time in BKK, I picked up a FL on the south side of Suk, near Soi 5. They usually hang out near the bus stop there.
Very cute with nice smile. I have picked up FL's there several times in the past.
She takes me to a ST hotel off Soi 3. We agreed on 700 ST. The hotel cost 200.
When we got to the room, we started some DFK. Apparently you were too excited to notice the stubble on her chin and upper lip.
Apparently you were too excited to notice the stubble on her chin and upper lip.I didn't notice it, but I bet the balls were hairy.
You completely missed my point. But anyway. There is a section about Thai Politics in the other forum. The one where us expats have been asked to hang out and talk about serious matters.
This thread was about ST and LT prices only and the Tourists ruled. Some of us didn't appreciate the creation of Expats forum, and don't look in there at all.
Its simple really. Should have just Thailand forum and most frequently access threads should be at the top or those with recent posts if user prefers to sort that to the top. Too many junk threads fixed to the top, IMHO
NicFrenchy
06-04-11, 08:13
Some of us didn't appreciate the creation of Expats forum, and don't look in there at all.Yes, that was my point
Mealticket
06-04-11, 10:16
Damn, if I didn't start to feel a cock bulging.Does this mean you don't "luvpuss" anymore?
SOS. Calling out all New Yorkers. I apologise in advance for using the wrong thread.
There must be something here who can help a fellow punter in need.
Having been spoilt by the choices of FKK's in Germany; Austria and Zurich.
The punting scene in London; HK; China; Singapore; Bangkok and Malaysia. I am really.
Disapponted with the choices on offer in the Big Apple.
It should be renamed the Big Tease!
Only been to a few lap dancing places in Manhattan (Rick's; Flash Dancers; Dolls etc.)
And the bloody online Escort agencies are charging a whopping $500-$600 per hour.
For locals and EE girls I can get in FKK for 100 euros.
Can anyone recommend any online places or hidden houses in NYC. Tried all the papers
And there's NOTHING!
Please PM me. I'm sure to return the favour in the near future
SOS. Calling out all New Yorkers. I apologise in advance for using the wrong thread.
And there's NOTHING!
Please PM me. I'm sure to return the favour in the near futureTime to move out of NY then, eh.
Last time in BKK, I picked up a FL on the south side of Suk, near Soi 5. .......................... Then she pulled down my pants and gave me one of the best BBBJ's I have ever had. ................ Felt pretty stupid that I did not know it was LB.Well now you know who can give the best BJs. Congrats. :)
I apologise in advance for using the wrong thread.
Can anyone recommend any online places or hidden houses in NYC. Tried all the papers
And there's NOTHING!
Please PM me. I'm sure to return the favour in the near futureCheck out Jackson's USA Sex Guide. The link is on the front page.
I would use www.backpage.com (under escorts).
You need to be careful about rip-offs and bait & switch, but many are good providers. Note: The providers used Craig's List previously, but after they stopped that kind of stuff on Craig's List, many providers changed to backpage.
Crazy4Thai
06-05-11, 10:46
Check out Jackson's USA Sex Guide. The link is on the front page.
I would use.
www.backpage.com
(under escorts).
You need to be careful about rip-offs and bait & switch, but many are good providers. Note: The providers used Craig's List previously, but after they stopped that kind of stuff on Craig's List, many providers changed to backpage. I was recently researching this very topic for a return trip to a different US city. It looked to me like backpage is suffering the same pressure and fate of CL. Those provider links were "under review" or words to that effect and the links were dead.
I was recently researching this very topic for a return trip to a different US city. It looked to me like backpage is suffering the same pressure and fate of CL. Those provider links were "under review" or words to that effect and the links were dead.Using craigslist or backpage isn't very good anyways. They're both filled with junk and bait and switch agencies and girls who provide awful service.
You have to read forums and review sites to find the good ones. The going rate is $300 / hr.
Last time in BKK, I picked up a FL on the south side of Suk, near Soi 5. They usually hang out near the bus stop there.
Very cute with nice smile. I have picked up FL's there several times in the past.
She takes me to a ST hotel off Soi 3. We agreed on 700 ST. The hotel cost 200.
- Felt pretty stupid that I did not know it was LB. You re not the first nor the last.
At least you enjoyed till...you found out! LOL.
That might mean the service was excellent! LMAO
New Old Guy
06-05-11, 16:42
A forum like this has many shit reports that can be skipped over if desired. Just read the good informative reports, and ignore the rest, especially those negativity packed ones. Yours are a good example, being packed with contemptuous arrogance toward the working (actually. Exploited) class and their demands."they want anything for free". People like you should serve 5 years living in the conditions these people live in for life.
Yours are a good example, being packed with contemptuous arrogance toward the working (actually. Exploited) class and their demands."they want anything for free". People like you should serve 5 years living in the conditions these people live in for life.New Old Guy,
Wow, it's getting a bit serious now, don't you think?
My comment in regards of the elections was a bit ironic / sarcastic. Syzygies respond was adding some more information to the issue. So where is the problem? That [gay] frog-eaters then misuse my comment for dealing with their problem of coming to terms with some events of the past of this forum - such is [French] life. Who cares? Want another sausage, Froggie :) ?
As for "contemptuous arrogance" towards THE WORKING (EXPLOITED) class - aaeeehh ... I hope you know what you are talking about. Though this is of course a generalization [and the exception proves the rule], if we talk here about the "working" class of Isaan then I am for sure "contemptuous arrogant", too. I had NOTHING to add to Syzygies comments on this issue, its right on the spot.
Giotto.
http://www.livingstones.co.th
PS: Syzygies, we did not talk about Newin :) ...yet !
You can help her in recommending Party / Candidate No. 15 on the ballots. That's Mr. Chuwit and his "Rak Prathet Thai" party.Surely you mean #5.
BTW what's up with Chuwit's English language election poster? Lots of folks who can't read Thai have voting rights?
NicFrenchy
06-06-11, 00:32
Want another sausage, Froggie :) ?Now you offer me one? Last time I came to see you, all you offered me was the smoke of your Cigarette. LOL
Chocha Monger
06-06-11, 03:22
Last time in BKK, I picked up a FL on the south side of Suk, near Soi 5. They usually hang out near the bus stop there.
Very cute with nice smile. I have picked up FL's there several times in the past.
She takes me to a ST hotel off Soi 3. We agreed on 700 ST. The hotel cost 200.
When we got to the room, we started some DFK. Then she pulled down my pants and gave me one of the best BBBJ's I have ever had. It lasted a good 15 minutes with lots of slurping, looking up and smiling. I was reaching down the back of her skirt and playing with her asshole and butt during the BJ. Her top was off and she had great tits that I played with also. I then laid on top of her and we kissed. Damn, if I didn't start to feel a cock bulging. I said "Oh shit". I got out of there quickly and told her I did not know. I went back to my hotel took a long shower and drank mouthwash. Felt pretty stupid that I did not know it was LB. Luvpuss, you can't wash the gay away. You might as well accept that you're at least bicurious. :D
Yours are a good example, being packed with contemptuous arrogance toward the working (actually. Exploited) class and their demands."they want anything for free". People like you should serve 5 years living in the conditions these people live in for life.It wasn't intended to be a very serious piece and included various frivolous things.
My comments about some poor Thai people being greedy, come from a hard working Thai chef who studies the Thai news avidly and daily, and also knows the Thai people very well. I am not knowledgeable myself but get info from Thais who know a lot more. I don't feel special contempt for lazy Thais. I am not extremely hard working myself. BTW their are lazy people in many countries who want free handouts from the government. That's where a lot of my taxes go.
I have a lot of sympathy for hard working Thais that work long hours and earn very little. I am from a lucky country.
BTW, some Thais were getting a nice handout by receiving cash to go join the Red blockade. Bad luck when they got sick but were not permitted to leave. There are always some people we can feel contempt for. That is very normal.
I feel contempt for the super rich bankers who lined their pockets without doing anything productive.
Mr Enternational
06-06-11, 04:02
Luvpuss, you can't wash the gay away. You might as well accept that you're at least bicurious. :DMaybe he can try to pray the gay away. It seems to me he is trysexual. He'll try anything. He still didn't say what he paid for the STBBBJ + tip. Oh, I guess it was him who was supposed to be receiving the "tip." LOL
Asiafanatic
06-06-11, 06:10
I have a return trip to Thailand upcoming (report coming from my last one a few weeks back. First time in Thai in 10 years, too much work). Due to some crazy travel schedules and work related calls I won't be able to get out until 4:00/4:30 AM on the day I arrive, but I do want to have a nice stress reliever with a Thai cutie.
Anyone have experience with Nana Liquid that late? Will there be any talent left or will I be left with the picked over dregs? I'm assuming the short time price should be pretty modest at that time of night / morning.
Any advice / experience would be greatly appreciated
I have a return trip to Thailand upcoming (report coming from my last one a few weeks back. First time in Thai in 10 years, too much work). Due to some crazy travel schedules and work related calls I won't be able to get out until 4:00/4:30 AM on the day I arrive, but I do want to have a nice stress reliever with a Thai cutie.
Anyone have experience with Nana Liquid that late? Will there be any talent left or will I be left with the picked over dregs? I'm assuming the short time price should be pretty modest at that time of night / morning.
Any advice / experience would be greatly appreciatedWhat about stopping and searching a few meters before Nana Liquid, ie Nana park. Some talents should still be round at that time. Not necessarily left overs. No need to get into a club, drink and scout for girls at the time of the early morning. Doesn't look to me the hours of the day to be "wasted" in that!
NicFrenchy
06-06-11, 08:04
Well, well, well.
Met a senior member at asoke and we decided to go to Bangkok Beat but before that, did a Detour by thermae.
22:30 or 23:00 I think and upon arriving there were some ladies and some ladies (with dick) outside. Talent was poor. Many Jappos outside smoking their cigarettes.
We went inside and oh-my-lord what a total mess this place is! Many ladies seating there with guys or alone or in groups. Straight out of Star Wars.
Some girls gave me smiles and inviting looks but I did not even see 1 girl that was worth paying any amount for.
And to think some guys whine because we are losing that place to the Sashimis? Fuck me, let them have it, no need to fight over sub-standard girls.
Bangkok Beat was not that enjoyable, I mean, how can one have a proper conversation when the music is so loud?
There was a band but the Band really sucked. I mean, they must have been pretty cheap. And Drinks were really expensive for such a crap place.
If you went Sunday night then it will be crap.
Its amazing how Thermae brings out the worst in some farangs, seen many coming out of Thermae scolding the girls for not being interested in him as he is not a Jap.
Actually there are some real nice ones in there and you can get them being a farang, but you have to be a nice and attractive farang.
Those that end up pulling nothing and getting rebuked by the girls often tell stories of how bad Thermae is. . Perhaps it was just Sunday night? .
Well, well, well.
Met a senior member at asoke and we decided to go to Bangkok Beat but before that, did a Detour by thermae.
22:30 or 23:00 I think and upon arriving there were some ladies and some ladies (with dick) outside. Talent was poor. Many Jappos outside smoking their cigarettes.
We went inside and oh-my-lord what a total mess this place is! Many ladies seating there with guys or alone or in groups. Straight out of Star Wars.
Some girls gave me smiles and inviting looks but I did not even see 1 girl that was worth paying any amount for.
And to think some guys whine because we are losing that place to the Sashimis? Fuck me, let them have it, no need to fight over sub-standard girls.
Bangkok Beat was not that enjoyable, I mean, how can one have a proper conversation when the music is so loud?
There was a band but the Band really sucked. I mean, they must have been pretty cheap. And Drinks were really expensive for such a crap place.
Well, well, well.
Met a senior member at asoke and we decided to go to Bangkok Beat but before that, did a Detour by thermae.
22:30 or 23:00 I think and upon arriving there were some ladies and some ladies (with dick) outside. Talent was poor. Many Jappos outside smoking their cigarettes.
We went inside and oh-my-lord what a total mess this place is! Many ladies seating there with guys or alone or in groups. Straight out of Star Wars.
Some girls gave me smiles and inviting looks but I did not even see 1 girl that was worth paying any amount for.
And to think some guys whine because we are losing that place to the Sashimis? Fuck me, let them have it, no need to fight over sub-standard girls.
Bangkok Beat was not that enjoyable, I mean, how can one have a proper conversation when the music is so loud?
There was a band but the Band really sucked. I mean, they must have been pretty cheap. And Drinks were really expensive for such a crap place. I was sitting in the bar above, overlooking Thermae, about that time. I would have said Hello!
Rambis Youth
06-06-11, 13:00
Was in Cowboy last night. Checked out a few bars around 9pm. Some cuties at Bacarra as always. Didn't see a single girl in Tilac that I would pay to have sex with.
As much as I loathe the Nana are I'm going to check it out tonight in the hope it's better than Cowboy.
anyone ever tried the places on th ratchaprarop? they look like thai karaoke places, but without karaoke, just some girls hanging out.
on a bit of a bender lately. some reports:
teen massage vip 3:
had 5 girls when i went. definitely not teens; all of them 30-35. very average looking. picked one who was probably about 32 with silicone. 400 for oil massage, which was pretty good with some body sliding. service overall was decent. she bled all over the bed. charged me 2000 for the full service. i suspected i was being overcharged, but i hadn't done my homework so i couldn't really negotiate. would not return or recommend.
[CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s:
had never been here before because i didn't think i would like it. picked the youngest of the girls sitting out front, who were all about 4-5s. went upstairs and got a bj. i was the only customer, thank god. she wasn't very good at it, which i suspect was due to her age. whole thing took about 15 minutes. definitely worth it for the experience. might go again at some point.
nana:
arrived about 8:00pm and barfined a 20 year old by 8:15. great girl. i love the low season.
legit massage places:
i visit these pretty often. have always liked the nice older ladies who give legitimate thai massages. most of them are single and i always wonder if a lot are retired bargirls. most of the time it's just a massage, but once in a while one of them will get more friendly. went to one shop near victory monument and ended up with my hand up the skirt of a nice looking 50 year old lady. she came herself and gave me a hj. and asked for 500 baht.
happened to me also in phuket where i ran through the entire staff at one place. not just a hj, but dfk and everything else too. half of them didn't even want any money. they were really scared the manager would find out, but then she was alone one day and gave me a massage herself and the same thing happened. i guess they get horny just sitting around all day.
So my time has finally come and I'll be landing in BKK next wed. Morning. I just wanted to run a couple questions by all you pro mongers of Thailand
First, I land at 7am on a Wednesday, I'm working on getting a early check in, but if that falls through what would you do to kill some time in BKK. I'm staying right next to Nana plaza, is there any where you guys would recommend for a early morning ST girl?
Second, what is the highest I should pay for a LT girl in BKK? What should my cap be for bar fines as well?
Thanks for any help. Look forward to sharing a few pictures and stories on IGS, cheers Chance
Uncle Volodya
06-06-11, 17:38
Well, well, well.
Met a senior member at asoke and we decided to go to Bangkok Beat but before that, did a Detour by thermae.
22:30 or 23:00 I think and upon arriving there were some ladies and some ladies (with dick) outside. Talent was poor. Many Jappos outside smoking their cigarettes.
We went inside and oh-my-lord what a total mess this place is! Many ladies seating there with guys or alone or in groups. Straight out of Star Wars.
Some girls gave me smiles and inviting looks but I did not even see 1 girl that was worth paying any amount for.
And to think some guys whine because we are losing that place to the Sashimis? Fuck me, let them have it, no need to fight over sub-standard girls.
This makes me sad.
I had some great luck there a few years ago. Found some absolute 20-23 yr old hotties there for very reasonable 2500 LT. You had to look a little hotter but GoGo quality girls could be found for sure. All of them were great GFEs too.
So where did the hot young FLs go?
So my time has finally come and I'll be landing in BKK next wed. Morning. I just wanted to run a couple questions by all you pro mongers of Thailand
First, I land at 7am on a Wednesday, I'm working on getting a early check in, but if that falls through what would you do to kill some time in BKK. I'm staying right next to Nana plaza, is there any where you guys would recommend for a early morning ST girl?
Second, what is the highest I should pay for a LT girl in BKK? What should my cap be for bar fines as well?
Thanks for any help. Look forward to sharing a few pictures and stories on IGS, cheers ChanceAnswer to first question: Get to hotel and check-in if possible. If not, leave bags there and go to Mango, Tulip or Snow White. They open at 10am. Kill 2 hours there. Go back to hotel and recover.
Traveler1234
06-06-11, 19:32
Answer to first question: Get to hotel and check-in if possible. If not, leave bags there and go to Mango, Tulip or Snow White. They open at 10am. Kill 2 hours there. Go back to hotel and recover.Not sure about Tulip but you can email both Mango and Snow White to make a reservation / advance booking and have them come to your hotel for a few Baht more [1, 000 vs 800 for two hrs].
22:30 or 23:00 I think and upon arriving there were some ladies and some ladies (with dick) outside. Talent was poor. Many Jappos outside smoking their cigarettes.
We went inside and oh-my-lord what a total mess this place is! Many ladies seating there with guys or alone or in groups. Straight out of Star Wars.
Some girls gave me smiles and inviting looks but I did not even see 1 girl that was worth paying any amount for. Well have to agree totally. This (the old Thermae) was a great place, and even the little Thermae Soapy upstairs. 15-20 years ago had some great girls. I can still contact a couple of those Soapy girls, Noi and Neung who are pushing 40 years of age now.
But I have concluded that in recent years the Thermae is a total waste of time. Talent poor and some may be looking only for '3-4-5' guys. Can't remember when last got a girl in or outside Thermae. Too long ago. Better off looking at street walkers outside (and I rarely do that unless incredibly pretty and not suspicious). Despite what Nic says, there are better girls available in Cowboy and seeing them naked or nearly naked definitely helps in the choosing (also very few LBs in Cowboy). Not sure if LBs hang out inside Thermae (I forget) but rather "Cantina Bar / Cafe" (Star Wars) as Nic says.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Zd_khk6zXo&feature=fvwrel
Anyone ever tried the places on Th Ratchaprarop? They look like Thai karaoke places, but without karaoke, just some girls hanging out.I used to live there part time (Pratu Nam) , but still didn't bother to try them. Chao Phraya II was nearby and good, a few years back, and Cleopatra was also not far away but closed now.
First time I took a girl out of a Nana gogo. From Angelwitch, the girls were much better than expected from most reports here. Overall I'd say one good notch up in cuteness over the oilies I went to. And not as dolled up as in soapies. Young, good bodies, sexy lingerie etc. The shows were nothing special, but I didn't stay long.
A 22yo made eye contact and was pretty aggressive, and not unpleasant, super cute face. (Plaa) Took me for ST at the upstairs 300Baht hotel (clean, decent room) ; not the best deal in town overall: drinks and barfine about 900Baht, ST 1500+ 200 tip. But really super nice face and tight body and she let go a little during the deed (gave her some oral, she got quite wet.)
Would take her LT but it's always better not to get too attached to those girls, isn't it?
Not sure about Tulip but you can email both Mango and Snow White to make a reservation / advance booking and have them come to your hotel for a few Baht more [1, 000 vs 800 for two hrs].And then of course if it turns out that he can't check in early, they can go for a coffee together for a couple of hours. :)
First time I took a girl out of a Nana gogo. . . . . Took me for ST at the upstairs 300Baht hotel (clean, decent room) ; not the best deal in town overall: drinks and barfine about 900Baht, ST 1500+ 200 tip.How long was the ST "inhouse" at Nana? I mean the ST hotel is in the premises, so kind of inhouse rooms, so no time wasted in going to and back from an hotel in Sukh.
Should give some time in the room benefit. Or not? Or is it 1 pop whatver it takes.
What is always puzzling me is the BF: same for ST and LT.
That's "unfair", since a girl can get 2-3 ST a night and greater benefit for the bar, whilst if she goes out for 1 LT she gets more, and the bar. Not really. Should be the otehr way round.
I was sitting in the bar above, overlooking Thermae, about that time. I would have said Hello!Well we were in there TWICE! (once in each direction) Why the hell didn't you say Hello? Humph!
Not sure about Tulip but you can email both Mango and Snow White to make a reservation / advance booking and have them come to your hotel for a few Baht more [1, 000 vs 800 for two hrs].Forget about email. I tried to book via email for Mango and ended up calling. When I complained they didn't answer email they said that their email hasn't worked for months. Just call them to book.
Would take her LT but it's always better not to get too attached to those girls, isn't it?So take her LT, and don't get attached.
How long was the ST "inhouse" at Nana? I mean the ST hotel is in the premises, so kind of inhouse rooms, so no time wasted in going to and back from an hotel in Sukh.
Should give some time in the room benefit. Or not? Or is it 1 pop whatver it takes.
What is always puzzling me is the BF: same for ST and LT.
That's "unfair", since a girl can get 2-3 ST a night and greater benefit for the bar, whilst if she goes out for 1 LT she gets more, and the bar. Not really. Should be the otehr way round. Well the Hollywood Hotel in Nana is not really inside one of the bars. Really nice place all in all and the girl gets 50 baht of the 350 you pay as a kickback.
Still wondering how much is the most I should spend on a LT in Thailand / BKK? Not really on a budget, but still don't want to be spending to much.
Thanks for the ST suggestions.
Still wondering how much is the most I should spend on a LT in Thailand / BKK? Not really on a budget, but still don't want to be spending to much.
Thanks for the ST suggestions. Tehre is ONE big suggestion here_ RTFF: it is all said here tons of times.
BF.
ST.
LT.
Soapie.
Free alncers.
Go-go.
Etc etc
Well the Hollywood Hotel in Nana is not really inside one of the bars. Really nice place all in all and the girl gets 50 baht of the 350 you pay as a kickback.I know where they ST hotels are.
This is why I say they are nearly "inhouse", just one floor above!
A real advantage for the girl (and the bar) as it does not take long to reach the deeed place.
I RTFF quite a lot actually and I've seen more senior member say RTFF more then I've seen the answers to what ever the question is. You're probably right though, I'll spend the next hour or so digging it up and I'll post it.
Not trying to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) anyone off on here, sorry I asked a simply question.
Tehre is ONE big suggestion here_ RTFF: it is all said here tons of times.
BF.
ST.
LT.
Soapie.
Free alncers.
Go-go.
Etc etc
Well we were in there TWICE! (once in each direction) Why the hell didn't you say Hello? Humph!You must have been wearing your Captain Jack Sparrow disguise. I was sitting at the front with The Shrimp, feeling very jet lagged, eyes propped open with matchsticks.
I RTFF quite a lot actually and I've seen more senior member say RTFF more then I've seen the answers to what ever the question is. You're probably right though, I'll spend the next hour or so digging it up and I'll post it.
Not trying to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) anyone off on here, sorry I asked a simply question. Nobody likes to answer this because there is no easy answer. It all depends on the time, place, girl and the random Thai factor (annd your own appearance and bargaining skills). And anyone who does answer will get shot down with the 'You paid how much? ' retort.
You really will have to RTFF and ask more specific questions. Hope that helps a bit.
Somewhere15
06-08-11, 00:28
Last week I spend some days in Bangkok.
In general it was quite low and not much to do in every bar / disco and around the streets.
Is economy hitting the Thai's or is it the upcoming election?
Visited the Mixx disco at the basement of the President tower / Intercontinental Chit Lom after the time that Spasso / Hyatt closed. 2 AM.
Surprising talent, reasonable music and in a adjacent room with different music they allow you to smoke.
Interesting girls (Spasso level) but could not manage to take one with me for an overnight.
On one of the days I did my Gulliver's tour, entrance the bar at around 5 PM, play some rounds of pool and have something to eat.
As always I had to play during one of the rounds with a funny girl (who was together with a girlfriend) and asked her after some rounds if she was willing to play with me in the backside what in essence means we only play together and not the winner stays and plays with the next on the list.
Of course she accepted immediately and during the rounds we had a nice conversation. On a certain moment I saw that she had a tattoo on her back and I joked during the next smoking break when she would show me her 'painting' on the back. She laught but switched the conversation into the direction of her girlfriend who came there every days because she needed money and did not have a regular job.
My pool girl said (I did not believe BTW) that she only came down to the city if she met with friends as she had a decent job / income.
We continuing with some rounds of pool and incidential touching without any reason was more part of the game.
In the next smoking break I asked her directly if she wanted to go with me and she said immediately yes (she did not said this even she knicked with her head).
No money or time to stay was discussed. I always take the approach that I will reward her after having experiencing her service.
In my room we had a pleasurable time and after the cuddling part on the couch for around 45 minutes we headed to the shower and during the cleaning part I found that her anus was not blocked.
After the shower we tried her backhole for some minutes but it did not really work: she was too tight and I was too thick. We moved over to the kickentable and later to the bedroom and we did all the other positions.
Already on the couch I made jokes of taking pictures (from her tattoos) and she allowed that enthusiastic.
Kicked her out after 2, 5 hours as I wanted to sleep for some hours before I could start on my night tour.
Paid her THB 1500 and THB 200 for taxi and she seemed happy with this.
Next day when I entered Gulliver's again she was sitting direct in front and she smiled greatly, me too but decided. . . . . Never eat the same dinner every day.
Enjoy the pictures.
Thanks for that report.
I wish, I could kick my own ass to be patient enough to do it this way.
Normally I publish pics at the Thai Photo Gallery. Without putting too much effort in writing.
BTW. I know that woman. She told me her name is Kaersorn. She is in the business since years. One day she told me that she is not going with customers anymore. Just trying to find customers for "her" friends, for "her" girls. Sounded to me like a "freelancing Mama San". Later she went to Great Britain and it looks like as if she is back now.
I never went with her. But she sent me some of her own pics. Could forward by pm if you would like to.
Thanks again.
Maa Paa
Franco Cozzo
06-08-11, 02:09
i rtff quite a lot actually and i've seen more senior member say rtff more then i've seen the answers to what ever the question is. you're probably right though, i'll spend the next hour or so digging it up and i'll post it.
not trying to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) anyone off on here, sorry i asked a simply question. the senior members (including bionicman) have a good point. the price will vary depending on where you go and what you look like, and ballpark figures are provided throughout the forums (if you have time to read them). i think one of the reasons for the rtff use is because otherwise there would be a continual stream of posts asking the questions that could be inferred from older posts).
hope the following helps you though:
from personal experience, when i was there last (not too long ago) , i went in with the knowledge that between 2000 and 3000 thb was ok price for lt. i was pleasantly surprised to find all but twice i paid 2000 lt, even at gogo bars (once i paid 2500 (i was drunk and she was hot) , once 1500 (my first night, was with a fl, who i didn't realise was charging, and i had bought a ridiculous number of drinks for in a drunken state, she seemed very happy still). most bar and smaller gogo bar girls seemed to ask 2500, only some would reduce price (it did not seem to depend on their looks either, i barfined the same girl 3 times un-consecutively from soi cowboy who was hotter than 90% of girls in larger gogos). however, due to having a lot more money to play with, i am considering spending a little bit more on this trip (sthat tarts tonight) , and going for that other 10.
barfines are whatever the house sets (unless you pick up a fl). inexpensive and amazing bjs can be had at [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) (from memory 700thb, might have tipped. can't remember. i too will have to rtff).
however, you can only really use this as an approximation, as you and i may be very different ages, body shape, have different demeanors and dress sense etc, which may change many girl's asking price.
oh, and if anyone who is in bkk wants to catch up for a drink and / or mongering pm me, i will be staying at the nanatai from tonight until sunday night (though i do have a martini and foi gras brunch booked at the four seasons sunday).
Nobody likes to answer this because there is no easy answer. It all depends on the time, place, girl and the random Thai factor (annd your own appearance and bargaining skills). And anyone who does answer will get shot down with the 'You paid how much? ' retort.
You really will have to RTFF and ask more specific questions. Hope that helps a bit. Indeed if one just reads the current page he will see some prices.
As nobody can write a BKK guide every two days because of queries, an answer would be:
ST from 500 to 2000.
LT from 1000 to 5/10. 000.
Places: list 5-10 Soi's.
Hours: from 10am to. 10am.
Age range of WG: from 18 and a day through 50.
Services: from kiss on lips to 4-somes with no holes barred and a LB as special guest.
I mean, would that help?
Don't think so. .
NicFrenchy
06-08-11, 07:09
I can Write a complete guide for Massage, Bars, Clubs. But I want to get paid! No way I will waste the time and efforts for nothing.
So, how about a 2 hours. 3 some fuck fest sonsorship@La Belle? (Value 8, 000 thb)
Any takers?
Forget about email. I tried to book via email for Mango and ended up calling. When I complained they didn't answer email they said that their email hasn't worked for months. Just call them to book.When ring Mango, the voice is very feint. The phone doesn't work that well either. Thankfully English is quite okay. As for email, highly unrecommended. TIT.
NicFrenchy
06-08-11, 07:42
Reminds me of a booking I had made at Snow white. They completely fucked it up even though I called in advance and reconfirmed. In Thailand, there is no such thing as a BOOKING. Money talks.
If you book the lady for later in the day and that another asshole arrives 30mn before, cash in hand. They will give him the lady and then make up a sorry excuse for you: She holiday, her mum sick you have to take her to hospital, she have funeral, she have booking before and man decide he want 2 hours more.
Reminds me of a booking I had made at Snow white. They completely fucked it up even though I called in advance and reconfirmed. In Thailand, there is no such thing as a BOOKING. Money talks.
If you book the lady for later in the day and that another asshole arrives 30mn before, cash in hand. They will give him the lady and then make up a sorry excuse for you: She holiday, her mum sick you have to take her to hospital, she have funeral, she have booking before and man decide he want 2 hours more. To be fair, I suspect that a lot of the time phone bookiings don't turn up or arrive late. And if a girl is booked for 5pm and a customer shows up at 3pm for a 1hour session that turns into 2hours?
Ever arrived for a flight only to be told that it is full? Overbooking happens everywhere and actually keeps prices down (in other industries).
NicFrenchy
06-08-11, 09:07
To be fair, I suspect that a lot of the time phone bookiings don't turn up or arrive late.You are right. Maybe but I am a repeat customer and I called the SW Tomboy cashier (who knows me). I am not some Random Joe Blow and she knows it.
When I showed up there, she immediately realised her mistake and was very apologetic. It's ok, Mai pen Rai, mistakes happen. She booked me for the day after (wrong in her calendar).
And yes, I know sessions can go overtime since the lady I booked at SW was a lady I spent 4 hours with already. Yes. 4 hours. That's 1600 thb only for the massage. SW was nice enough to knock off 200 for me.
Anyway, have not been there since the misshap, but might consider them again.
I know where they ST hotels are.
This is why I say they are nearly "inhouse", just one floor above!
A real advantage for the girl (and the bar) as it does not take long to reach the deeed place. This one isn't even a floor up. It is at the top of the escalator.
Mr Enternational
06-08-11, 20:10
To be fair, I suspect that a lot of the time phone bookiings don't turn up or arrive late. And if a girl is booked for 5pm and a customer shows up at 3pm for a 1hour session that turns into 2hours I was in Angeles City getting a 1 hour regular massage. At the end I wanted to add more services with the same person. They told me that I would have to come back the next day because other customers were waiting. First time I ever heard some shit like that.
How long was the ST "inhouse" at Nana? I mean the ST hotel is in the premises, so kind of inhouse rooms, so no time wasted in going to and back from an hotel in Sukh.
Should give some time in the room benefit. Or not? Or is it 1 pop whatver it takes.
I stayed about 50mins, with maybe 30 mins screwing! So just one pop. Good enough for me;
It's the hotel at the top of the elevator next to angelwitch on the right when you get out. I paid 300, not the 350 I see mentioned here and there. I also paid 300 at the DI Hotel down the road, smaller room but clean also. They said I could stay one hour when I asked but didn't seem too worried about it.
I stayed about 50mins, with maybe 30 mins screwing! So just one pop. Good enough for me;
It's the hotel at the top of the elevator next to angelwitch on the right when you get out. I paid 300, not the 350 I see mentioned here and there. I also paid 300 at the DI Hotel down the road, smaller room but clean also. They said I could stay one hour when I asked but didn't seem too worried about it. There is an elevator near Angelwitch?
Primo Bolan
06-09-11, 11:48
being younger than most of the fossils that inhabit this forum and older than the ones who think ps1 was kickass; here is a review of a bar that is out of the usual norm in nana.
with the seemingly new policy of nana bars allowing smoking, dc-10 wins accolades from a customers perspective.
a) its a pretend airplane (wish it was a real l1011, but thats what fantasy is all about)
b) they don't play canned music.
c) the girls are not pushy.
d) the girls acually dance, not the bangkok-shuffle.
e) expect proper stripper etiquette and pole dancing
f) you can smoke there (!)
g) they seem to have actual ventilation and air conditioning, so smokers don't smoke up the place.
disclaimer: a customer who wishes to be back there, writing this from the comfort of suburbia
disclaimer: a customerthought it was a funny and nice place before one of the girls slapped me in my face, wich she thought was fun, i walked away and never returned.
Crazy4Thai
06-09-11, 14:27
Thought it was a funny and nice place before one of the girls slapped me in my face, wich she thought was fun, I walked away and never returned.There MUST be more to this story. What led up this?
Maybe she just watches too much Thai TV. . .
Primo Bolan
06-09-11, 15:28
It was in Feb this year. I walked in and sat down had a beer. There were two gogogirls sitting by the door chatting and giggling with another farang. They invited me somehow and we had a good laugh and everybody seemed to have a good time. Suddenly I saw a girl in a white bikini or some white clothes, from the left comming towards me. She smiled and placed herself right infront of me, took her both hands, boom, on each side of my head and face. Not so hard and afterwards she smiled, but when I said it was not Ok, with a smile, she walked away. I immediately paid my bill and left. The others had seen what happened but no one said anything. Maybe its a good place but I don't go back when they have girls that treat the costumers with no respect at all. My head is very blessed and holy, especially when I am in Thailand. And it don't like to be slapped by a bargirl.
PB
There is an elevator near Angelwitch?On the right when you go out of the bar, near the end of the stairs- I think.
Or was it all just a dream and / or a spiked beer lao? .
It was in Feb this year. I walked in and sat down had a beer. There were two gogogirls sitting by the door chatting and giggling with another farang. They invited me somehow and we had a good laugh and everybody seemed to have a good time. Suddenly I saw a girl in a white bikini or some white clothes, from the left comming towards me. She smiled and placed herself right infront of me, took her both hands, boom, on each side of my head and face. Not so hard and afterwards she smiled, but when I said it was not Ok, with a smile, she walked away. I immediately paid my bill and left. The others had seen what happened but no one said anything. Maybe its a good place but I don't go back when they have girls that treat the costumers with no respect at all. My head is very blessed and holy, especially when I am in Thailand. And it don't like to be slapped by a bargirl.
PBI see rude behavior toward unknowing farangs by gogo girls all the time. Things we dismiss as playful are often very rude and insulting when taken in the appropriate cultural context. Go to the Thai gogos on Suthisan and you would never see this kind of display. It shows contempt for the foreigner and shows the class the girl comes from as well.
It was in Feb this year. I walked in and sat down had a beer. There were two gogogirls sitting by the door chatting and giggling with another farang. They invited me somehow and we had a good laugh and everybody seemed to have a good time. Suddenly I saw a girl in a white bikini or some white clothes, from the left comming towards me. She smiled and placed herself right infront of me, took her both hands, boom, on each side of my head and face. Not so hard and afterwards she smiled, but when I said it was not Ok, with a smile, she walked away. I immediately paid my bill and left. The others had seen what happened but no one said anything. Maybe its a good place but I don't go back when they have girls that treat the costumers with no respect at all. My head is very blessed and holy, especially when I am in Thailand. And it don't like to be slapped by a bargirl.
PBPrimo, you were 100% right to leave!
NicFrenchy
06-10-11, 00:29
She smiled and placed herself right infront of me, took her both hands, boom, on each side of my head and face.If she would have done this to a Thai guy, he would have kicked the living shit out of her
It was in Feb this year. I walked in and sat down had a beer. There were two gogogirls sitting by the door chatting and giggling with another farang. They invited me somehow and we had a good laugh and everybody seemed to have a good time. Suddenly I saw a girl in a white bikini or some white clothes, from the left comming towards me. She smiled and placed herself right infront of me, took her both hands, boom, on each side of my head and face. Not so hard and afterwards she smiled, but when I said it was not Ok, with a smile, she walked away. I immediately paid my bill and left. The others had seen what happened but no one said anything. Maybe its a good place but I don't go back when they have girls that treat the costumers with no respect at all. My head is very blessed and holy, especially when I am in Thailand. And it don't like to be slapped by a bargirl.
PBAren't you taking this a little too seriously?
New Old Guy
06-10-11, 02:45
Aren't you taking this a little too seriously?No he's not, this is Thailand and the girl started with the wrong foot for three or four good reasons, it was perfectly appropriate to leave.
Crazy4Thai
06-10-11, 06:06
No he's not, this is Thailand and the girl started with the wrong foot for three or four good reasons, it was perfectly appropriate to leave.Absolutely agree.
Cannot understand why she did this though. Maybe mistaken identity,
Monkey1818
06-10-11, 08:45
It was in Feb this year. I walked in and sat down had a beer. There were two gogogirls sitting by the door chatting and giggling with another farang. They invited me somehow and we had a good laugh and everybody seemed to have a good time. Suddenly I saw a girl in a white bikini or some white clothes, from the left comming towards me. She smiled and placed herself right infront of me, took her both hands, boom, on each side of my head and face. Not so hard and afterwards she smiled, but when I said it was not Ok, with a smile, she walked away. I immediately paid my bill and left. The others had seen what happened but no one said anything. Maybe its a good place but I don't go back when they have girls that treat the costumers with no respect at all. My head is very blessed and holy, especially when I am in Thailand. And it don't like to be slapped by a bargirl.
PBVery appropriate to leave. Thai's don't usually act that way. Very Rude. Maybe mistaken identity.
Very appropriate to leave. Thai's don't usually act that way. Very Rude. Maybe mistaken identity.It happens all the time that Thai ladies mistake me for someone else. All of us Falangs look the same! And you may be the victim of mistaken identity.
But it can also be that the lady in question was just crazy. Thais will let another Thai person be crazy with a Falang as long as it does not get too violent. Recently I was entertaining a Thai lady in a beer bar when the waitress butted into our conversation and claimed that we were talking about her and saying bad things about her. We never met her before. I am pretty sure the waitress was on something other than a few beers, perhaps yaba which can make them act strangely and paranoid. We left because the waitress was getting crazier and we were getting dirty looks. The rest of the staff looked on and did nothing.
NicFrenchy
06-10-11, 15:01
Aren't you taking this a little too seriously?You think so? Let a girl do this to a Thai guy and then watch how seriously the Thai guy will respond
I leave for BKK Sunday and after 28 hours in the air and in airports will be there-but at a cost of only $90 on a FF ticket.
1. Is the CITI ATM near Asoke still free of the Farang surcharge? If so, how do you find this machine; I didn't find the information on CITI's website very helpful.
2. Are the FL in Thermae looking more favorably at Farangs since I expect tourism from Japan is down quite a bit with all the problems that country is dealing with.
Thanks. All the rest of my questions were answered from reading the posts here.
I thought I was the only one to get this treatment but apparently not. Last year in Phuket at a run-of-the-mill mp I laid down with a young girl that seemed rather frisky. That's was fine until she gave me a poke in the nutsack, twice, hard! At that I sat up and gave her a double poke in each nipple and asked her how she liked that. Her whole expression changed to that of a thief caught in the act. When I told her to get the mamasan she freaked out and begged me to let her finish out the massage. No way she was going to touch me again. So I got dressed and went to the front desk and told mms that I would not get the massage after all but I would leave a tip. I left her a 10 baht coin and the other girls sitting around laughed their ass off and started chattering away.
When there is a good alternative 5 doors away I see no need to put up with whatever this crap is. Mistaken identity, pent up frustration, racial issues, etc. I don't care since I have never treated these girls badly there is no way I will put up with it. I do have to point out that it was the only instance in the 3 times I have vacationed there. Takes all kinds I guess. LDP
- from the past couple of days.
Siam Dreamer
06-11-11, 00:45
1. Is the CITI ATM near Asoke still free of the Farang surcharge? If so, how do you find this machine; I didn't find the information on CITI's website very helpful.If you have a CITIBANK account in the states or your home country, you should not be charged fees. I used this ATM a few times and was not charged a fee for cash withdrawals. There is a well staffed CITIBANK branch located directly above the ATMs and the receptionist is very friendly / helpful (spoke perfect english also). She will confirm for you.
Once you exit the Asoke station and are at steet level. You will see the massive CITI signs on the building acrooss the intersection. The ATMs are located in the building lobby entrance directly across the street at the intersection. Their ATMS are safe / secure and fast also.
GregLondon
06-11-11, 05:38
Has anyone flown with Kingfisher BKK-MUM-LON? I usually take Jet Airlines who are excellent, but I see Kingfisher now fly the route a little cheaper, is the service and baggage allowance as good (I think Jet allow 30kg baggage allowance)
Has anyone flown with Kingfisher BKK-MUM-LON? I usually take Jet Airlines who are excellent, but I see Kingfisher now fly the route a little cheaper, is the service and baggage allowance as good (I think Jet allow 30kg baggage allowance)Personally I think Kingfisher are marginally better than Jet. Haven't done that particular route all the way, but LON-MUM very good. Can't comment on the baggage allowance as I travel light. You planning on bringing the kitchen sink?
If she would have done this to a Thai guy, he would have kicked the living shit out of herI think you exaggerate greatly. Its usually only husbands or boyfriends that beat up Thai girls, as they seem to think they own the girls.
In any case, if you are Farang and are not looking for serious trouble, you don't don't go too physically at Thai girls in a situation like this. I have witnessed Farangs who wanted to respond physically to a stupid Thai girl, get very seriously beaten up.
Crazy4Thai
06-11-11, 07:29
If you have a CITIBANK account in the states or your home country, you should not be charged fees. snip . . . .As of a month ago (not in BKK now) my NON citibank atm was not charged fees. I read somewhere that this has changed or will change. Anyone else know the status of this?
C4T
StreetHawk
06-11-11, 09:27
and asked her after some rounds if she was willing to play with me in the backside what in essence means we only play together
In my room we had a pleasurable time and after the cuddling part on the couch for around 45 minutes we headed to the shower and during the cleaning part I found that her anus was not blocked. LOL Play with me in the backside! Bet that wasn't the 1st time she's heard that. Hilarious! Good report!
Aren't you taking this a little too seriously?He's definitely took it on the serious side rather than lightheartedly. As I have my moods it's impossible to say how I would have reacted, but probably not so impulsively to a constantly smiling chick in a gogo. When I go out in public I prefer to be in party rather than sour mode. Otherwise it's best just to stay in, listen to music, watch comedies and wank off alone.
Even if Thais consider the head sacred or holy, I am a farang & I don't. My joystick is just as important, but I wouldn't have had a problem with such a lady grabbing it or even slapping it around a little. Painlessly, of course. Been there, done that.
Even as early as grade 3 a girl I had never talked to suddenly pinched my bum as we were standing in a school lineup. It hurt a bit, but I didn't go crying to the teacher or my mommy. In fact I was happy she did it, taking it as a sign she liked me.
Personally I might have taken advantage of the situation of the TG making physical contact with me, reciprocated, planted a wet one on her mouth, with tongue deeply inserted down her throat. Might as well grab her ass and tits while your at it, as she was evidently offering him the opportunity for a freebie.
I recall the time in the NPL a P4PTG suddenly kissed me on the mouth, several times. She knew of me, but I didn't know her and had never spoken to her before. While her actions surprised me, I wasn't offended. She is now one of my best regulars.
To novices wanting to enjoy the Land Of Smiles, you need to learn how to have fun, cause that's what TGs are all about. Childish joking around is what they are into 36 hours a day, whether they're dreaming, on the throne, or banging farang. And that was the best piece of advice you'll ever recieve on this site. TGs are nothing like, actually the exact opposite of, bitter Western feminists.
Re what Thai guys would do to her if she did the same to them, it is not relevant to the situation at hand {no pun intended}, though I'd suggest not all of them are as abusive as someone may think. Maybe that idea comes from listening to the propaganda of TG "stories" for too long and actually believing it. And the type of TGs who seek out farang on websites & in P4P. I also expect the TG in question would be aware of Thai customs & the possible repercussions from Thai men should she violate them. But, again, in this case she didn't interact with a Thai man, but a farang. One who, for some reason, considers his head "very blessed and holy, especially when in Thailand", yet visits dens of iniquity there, places that are well known for TGs & LBs handling customers various body parts, suddenly and without permission.
As to the girl, she could have been on ice, yabba, other illicit drugs, or overly intoxicated. It could also have been a case of mistaken identity, spontaneous over enthusiasm, watching too much Thai TV or LBs around go gos, etc, or a mixed cocktail of items.
I arrived here in Bangkok for the forst time in a long time. I went looking for Club Eden but they were closed. Decided to irder in and looked thru the yellow pages and called 08-4918-29914 or 08-1617-2639. I asked for yioung but she was obviously mid 30s. I paid for 3 hours and she was gone after less than one! I called the company to complain but they did nothing. I recomend if you order in, pay half or less than that until your agreed upon requirement is met. Ag=fter several calls abck and forth with the company, I got no resolution. A TOTAL ripp off! Stay away from them as they will not provide service as advertised. They are listed under massage: International Model's Massage! Horrible service!
As of a month ago (not in BKK now) my NON citibank atm was not charged fees. I read somewhere that this has changed or will change. Anyone else know the status of this?
C4TOnly Thai banks were charging this fee. Citibank and HSBC which are not headquartered in Thailand were not charging this fee.
SunLover
Only Thai banks were charging this fee. Citibank and HSBC which are not headquartered in Thailand were not charging this fee. SunLoverYes, but if you check the amount drawn from your account, it turns out that Citibank, at least, charges about the same as a Thai bank for the total withdrawal. I have compared this several times now. There does not appear to be any savings in using the Citibank ATMs over the Thai ones. I don't know about HCBC but I will check.
I arrived here in Bangkok for the forst time in a long time. I went looking for Club Eden but they were closed. Decided to irder in and looked thru the yellow pages and called 08-4918-29914 or 08-1617-2639. I asked for yioung but she was obviously mid 30s. I paid for 3 hours and she was gone after less than one! I called the company to complain but they did nothing. I recomend if you order in, pay half or less than that until your agreed upon requirement is met. Ag=fter several calls abck and forth with the company, I got no resolution. A TOTAL ripp off! Stay away from them as they will not provide service as advertised. They are listed under massage: International Model's Massage! Horrible service!With all of the information on this Forum you use the yellow pages? Som nom na. (Thai for "serves you right").
Decided to irder in and looked thru the yellow pages and called 08-4918-29914 or 08-1617-2639. Horrible service!Thanks but I think nobody will efver use Yellow Pages in BKK.
The town is over full of places where you can get everything you like, when you like and where you like (take away)
If Eden was closed, (early morning? Over midnight?) there should still full of opportunities, including a free lancer.
Get on the road, mate!
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To novices wanting to enjoy the Land Of Smiles, you need to learn how to have fun, cause that's what TGs are all about. Childish joking around is what they are into 36 hours a day, whether they're dreaming, on the throne, or banging farang. And that was the best piece of advice you'll ever recieve on this site. TGs are nothing like, actually the exact opposite of, bitter Western feminists. YOu made a very good point.
Sometime when I resume what I talk about with thai girls, ok most of them Bar girls, etc, I find out it is all jokes, couble sense, silly talks.
Their english language is not alwyas at the best.
But even whe it is, they do like to chat in a light and jokenly way = non sense talks!
On the other hand nobody wants to change the fate of the world when mongering!
NicFrenchy
06-12-11, 04:26
With all of the information on this Forum you use the yellow pages? Som nom na. (Thai for "serves you right").Agreed, you got what you deserved. There are so many places (even around EDEN). Shit, I couldn't even find the yellow pages even if I wanted to. Do they still make these books? I thought they died a long with my Grandpa.
He's definitely took it on the serious side rather than lightheartedly. As I have my moods it's impossible to say how I would have reacted, but probably not so impulsively to a constantly smiling chick in a gogo. When I go out in public I prefer to be in party rather than sour mode. Otherwise it's best just to stay in, listen to music, watch comedies and wank off alone.
Even if Thais consider the head sacred or holy, I am a farang & I don't. My joystick is just as important, but I wouldn't have had a problem with such a lady grabbing it or even slapping it around a little. Painlessly, of course. Been there, done that.
Even as early as grade 3 a girl I had never talked to suddenly pinched my bum as we were standing in a school lineup. It hurt a bit, but I didn't go crying to the teacher or my mommy. In fact I was happy she did it, taking it as a sign she liked me.
Personally I might have taken advantage of the situation of the TG making physical contact with me, reciprocated, planted a wet one on her mouth, with tongue deeply inserted down her throat. Might as well grab her ass and tits while your at it, as she was evidently offering him the opportunity for a freebie.
I recall the time in the NPL a P4PTG suddenly kissed me on the mouth, several times. She knew of me, but I didn't know her and had never spoken to her before. While her actions surprised me, I wasn't offended. She is now one of my best regulars.
To novices wanting to enjoy the Land Of Smiles, you need to learn how to have fun, cause that's what TGs are all about. Childish joking around is what they are into 36 hours a day, whether they're dreaming, on the throne, or banging farang. And that was the best piece of advice you'll ever recieve on this site. TGs are nothing like, actually the exact opposite of, bitter Western feminists.
Re what Thai guys would do to her if she did the same to them, it is not relevant to the situation at hand {no pun intended}, though I'd suggest not all of them are as abusive as someone may think. Maybe that idea comes from listening to the propaganda of TG "stories" for too long and actually believing it. And the type of TGs who seek out farang on websites & in P4P. I also expect the TG in question would be aware of Thai customs & the possible repercussions from Thai men should she violate them. But, again, in this case she didn't interact with a Thai man, but a farang. One who, for some reason, considers his head "very blessed and holy, especially when in Thailand", yet visits dens of iniquity there, places that are well known for TGs & LBs handling customers various body parts, suddenly and without permission.
As to the girl, she could have been on ice, yabba, other illicit drugs, or overly intoxicated. It could also have been a case of mistaken identity, spontaneous over enthusiasm, watching too much Thai TV or LBs around go gos, etc, or a mixed cocktail of items. With all due respect, when a Thai treats you in the manner of this BG it is a huge sign of disrespect. It is not playful, it simply shows her contempt for you. It is the ultimate [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) take. You not being offended is the point."Look at the stupid farang! I am treating him like a dog and he is laughing," that is the point. No wonder so many Thai / Farang relationships fail. There are just certain aspects of the West that you cannot bring over here.
Once you have established a relationship with a girl what you do in private is one thing, but the public "face" should always be of concern to both of you. If she or you in any way lessens that public "face" it is a pretty grave issue.
That being said, we do love living here because Thais are very childlike in many ways. The playfulness is great, but respect still needs to be kept in mind. You would probably never grab your Thai gal's ass in public like you would in the US, same holds true for her respecting you.
Again, as has been said many time here, this is not the West. When in Rome!
With all of the information on this Forum you use the yellow pages? Som nom na. (Thai for "serves you right").Som Numb Nar (just to show pronunciation English style)
Agreed, you got what you deserved. There are so many places (even around EDEN). Shit, I couldn't even find the yellow pages even if I wanted to. Do they still make these books? I thought they died a long with my Grandpa.Many years ago I found Soapy Chaopraya II using the yellow pages, I believe, which was difficult to use for Farangs. The taxi insisted on taking me Chaopraya I (J-One) for the kick back but I quickly left and went to the other one. However my very first Soapy was I believe the Golden Gate in some low Soi of Sukhumwit, possibly Soi 2, but it doesn't exist any more. The girl was out of this world (to a newbie) but couldn't speak English. The massage was highly skilled Thai massage.
I don't believe Nana Plaza existed at that time, but could be wrong. Maybe it was too tame to be worth going to in those days. Like 25 years ago.
Agreed, you got what you deserved. There are so many places (even around EDEN). Shit, I couldn't even find the yellow pages even if I wanted to. Do they still make these books? I thought they died a long with my Grandpa.Wait, I'll check my hotel room for one. This could be fun. New game if checking random YP services until we find good service.
With all due respect, when a Thai treats you in the manner of this BG it is a huge sign of disrespect. It is not playful, it simply shows her contempt for you. It is the ultimate [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) take. You not being offended is the point."Look at the stupid farang! I am treating him like a dog and he is laughing," that is the point. No wonder so many Thai / Farang relationships fail. There are just certain aspects of the West that you cannot bring over here.Dramatic but wrong! Last night investigative news reports on Channel 13 showed that the BG was (Yaba) high, repeat she was high, which explains her actions.
In regards to ATM fees for US bank cards:
Here is the best guide available:
http://www.flyerguide.com/wiki/index.php/Credit/Debit/ATM_Cards_and_Foreign_Exchange
In my experience. Citibank outside of the US DOES charge fees (I think 3%) for ATM use with their regular US based account ATM cards. Before 2006 or so it was free at their ATMS. Then it went to 1, then about 2-3 years ago. Now 3. A ripoff.
I do not know if the Asoke Citibank ATM charges the Thailsn 150 baht fee in addition to that.
I exclusively use AEON atms as they are the only ones in Thailand that DO NOT charge the 150 baht ATM fee.
On Rachadapisek there is an AEON in Tesco at Praham 9, and AEON ATM in the Carrefour / BigC, and two ATM's in Robinson's.
I use my NO Fee Schwab ATM / Debit cards with a very good exchange rates to avoid any fees for access to my money in the US.
I also use the Capital One Mastercard which also does not have a ripoff foreign currnecy conversion fees.
I refuse to let the greedy banks get any of my money by nickel and diming me with needless fees.
TigerWoods
06-12-11, 06:18
I am in BKK for the first time for longer than 2 nights. Look for a nice contact outside the usual places such as Nana etc. Anybody who can propose a nice girl to stay with? Help is very much appreciated. Thanks
NicFrenchy
06-12-11, 06:29
I am in BKK for the first time for longer than 2 nights. Look for a nice contact outside the usual places such as Nana etc. Anybody who can propose a nice girl to stay with? Help is very much appreciated. ThanksSushilover posted a few of his girls, with phone numbers and all. You can contact him I guess
Primo Bolan
06-12-11, 07:08
He's definitely took it on the serious side rather than lightheartedly. As I have my moods it's impossible to say how I would have reacted, but probably not so impulsively to a constantly smiling chick in a gogo. When I go out in public I prefer to be in party rather than sour mode. Otherwise it's best just to stay in, listen to music, watch comedies and wank off alone.
Even if Thais consider the head sacred or holy, I am a farang & I don't. My joystick is just as important, but I wouldn't have had a problem with such a lady grabbing it or even slapping it around a little. Painlessly, of course. Been there, done that.
Even as early as grade 3 a girl I had never talked to suddenly pinched my bum as we were standing in a school lineup. It hurt a bit, but I didn't go crying to the teacher or my mommy. In fact I was happy she did it, taking it as a sign she liked me.
Personally I might have taken advantage of the situation of the TG making physical contact with me, reciprocated, planted a wet one on her mouth, with tongue deeply inserted down her throat. Might as well grab her ass and tits while your at it, as she was evidently offering him the opportunity for a freebie.
I recall the time in the NPL a P4PTG suddenly kissed me on the mouth, several times. She knew of me, but I didn't know her and had never spoken to her before. While her actions surprised me, I wasn't offended. She is now one of my best regulars.
To novices wanting to enjoy the Land Of Smiles, you need to learn how to have fun, cause that's what TGs are all about. Childish joking around is what they are into 36 hours a day, whether they're dreaming, on the throne, or banging farang. And that was the best piece of advice you'll ever recieve on this site. TGs are nothing like, actually the exact opposite of, bitter Western feminists.
Re what Thai guys would do to her if she did the same to them, it is not relevant to the situation at hand {no pun intended}, though I'd suggest not all of them are as abusive as someone may think. Maybe that idea comes from listening to the propaganda of TG "stories" for too long and actually believing it. And the type of TGs who seek out farang on websites & in P4P. I also expect the TG in question would be aware of Thai customs & the possible repercussions from Thai men should she violate them. But, again, in this case she didn't interact with a Thai man, but a farang. One who, for some reason, considers his head "very blessed and holy, especially when in Thailand", yet visits dens of iniquity there, places that are well known for TGs & LBs handling customers various body parts, suddenly and without permission.
As to the girl, she could have been on ice, yabba, other illicit drugs, or overly intoxicated. It could also have been a case of mistaken identity, spontaneous over enthusiasm, watching too much Thai TV or LBs around go gos, etc, or a mixed cocktail of items. So you were there? Strange that some guys here can write a long lesson to us others in how things work when they don't even know the details. Hes got the head. I have been to Thailand alot, this situation wasnt fun at all. And one more thing, If you read my report, I was not sour, I had a great time in DC-10 before this happened.
PB
Suddenly I saw a girl in a white bikini or some white clothes, from the left comming towards me. She smiled and placed herself right infront of me, took her both hands, boom, on each side of my head and face. Not so hard and afterwards she smiled, but when I said it was not Ok, with a smile, she walked away. I immediately paid my bill and left.
With all due respect, when a Thai treats you in the manner of this BG it is a huge sign of disrespect. It is not playful, it simply shows her contempt for you.I'll agree with Goatscrot and others that this is disrespectful. As others have said, maybe a case of mistaken identity, or a yaba girl. But just as likely a girl showing off, of what she can get away with.
No need to get violent with her (always a big mistake on her turf [or anywhere for that matter]) , but before leaving, I'd have asked to speak to the manager, explaining why you were leaving and wouldn't be coming back. I always feel it's not right to complain about a place without informing management. Not saying he would have done anything, but then again, you'll never know. Sometimes you can be surprised.
Dramatic but wrong! Last night investigative news reports on Channel 13 showed that the BG was (Yaba) high, repeat she was high, which explains her actions.Maybe so, but wouldn't that also explain why she displayed her true contempt for a farang which she might otherwise not have done had she been sober?
New Old Guy
06-12-11, 10:54
Couple nights ago I was at Hollywood with my TG. Another girl comes behind me to dance, I make one or two circumstance moves, then I turn over to indicate that I have company already. Evidently pissed off by that, a moment after she slaps me in back of the head, and then again. At that point I tell her loud and gesture that she cannot "joking" my head and I make sure she get the message, looking at her face she did. Her friend apologizes and bows deeply. However in this case the girl was drunk as a fish.
In another case it was another girl that made an ugly face when I saluted. I did so only because I know she knows my girl. I asked if she had a problem with me and that she must be polite to me for too many reasons. She shut up, gestured Ok and was never seen around anymore.
If you let them get away with disrespect, it will grow in their mind that it's Ok and "we" may even like it. Thing that some troubled guy certainly does.
Wait, I'll check my hotel room for one. This could be fun. New game if checking random YP services until we find good service.ISG should now open a new forum "YP: where are they in hotel rooms?"
New Old Guy
06-12-11, 11:55
In regards to ATM fees for US bank cards:
Here is the best guide available:
http://www.flyerguide.com/wiki/index.php/Credit/Debit/ATM_Cards_and_Foreign_Exchange
In my experience. Citibank outside of the US DOES charge fees (I think 3%) for ATM use with their regular US based account ATM cards. Before 2006 or so it was free at their ATMS. Then it went to 1, then about 2-3 years ago. Now 3. A ripoff.
I do not know if the Asoke Citibank ATM charges the Thailsn 150 baht fee in addition to that.
I exclusively use AEON atms as they are the only ones in Thailand that DO NOT charge the 150 baht ATM fee.
On Rachadapisek there is an AEON in Tesco at Praham 9, and AEON ATM in the Carrefour / BigC, and two ATM's in Robinson's.
I use my NO Fee Schwab ATM / Debit cards with a very good exchange rates to avoid any fees for access to my money in the US.
I also use the Capital One Mastercard which also does not have a ripoff foreign currnecy conversion fees.
I refuse to let the greedy banks get any of my money by nickel and diming me with needless fees. Good advice man, thanks for that!
Maybe so, but wouldn't that also explain why she displayed her true contempt for a farang which she might otherwise not have done had she been sober?But how do you know the inebriated one is actually displaying true compempt? In her altered state we will never know. She may have been a former employee of Mistress Midori or Barbar's Club and had flashbacks. There's just too much unknown for anyone here to arrive at a conclusive known based on the little info we have. The OP did handle himself well though, that we know.
Citibank at Asoke DOES NOT charge the 150bt Thai rip off fee. Add US 'State Farm Bank' as another place that will re-imburse ATM fees and has no Visa Add on fee.
In regards to ATM fees for US bank cards:
Here is the best guide available:
http://www.flyerguide.com/wiki/index.php/Credit/Debit/ATM_Cards_and_Foreign_Exchange
In my experience. Citibank outside of the US DOES charge fees (I think 3%) for ATM use with their regular US based account ATM cards. Before 2006 or so it was free at their ATMS. Then it went to 1, then about 2-3 years ago. Now 3. A ripoff.
I do not know if the Asoke Citibank ATM charges the Thailsn 150 baht fee in addition to that.
I exclusively use AEON atms as they are the only ones in Thailand that DO NOT charge the 150 baht ATM fee.
On Rachadapisek there is an AEON in Tesco at Praham 9, and AEON ATM in the Carrefour / BigC, and two ATM's in Robinson's.
I use my NO Fee Schwab ATM / Debit cards with a very good exchange rates to avoid any fees for access to my money in the US.
I also use the Capital One Mastercard which also does not have a ripoff foreign currnecy conversion fees.
I refuse to let the greedy banks get any of my money by nickel and diming me with needless fees.
I am in BKK for the first time for longer than 2 nights. Look for a nice contact outside the usual places such as Nana etc. Anybody who can propose a nice girl to stay with? Help is very much appreciated. ThanksMost of the girls places aren't really nice enough fo us to stay with them. I suggest you get a hotel room.
With all due respect, when a Thai treats you in the manner of this BG it is a huge sign of disrespect. It is not playful, it simply shows her contempt for you. It is the ultimate [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) take. You not being offended is the point."Look at the stupid farang! I am treating him like a dog and he is laughing," that is the point. No wonder so many Thai / Farang relationships fail. There are just certain aspects of the West that you cannot bring over here.At least he seems happy as he's "laughing". Would it be better to see the cup half empty, choosing to assume someone else intended to disrespect you and be feeling sad, angry, and disrespected?
One of my regulars kicked me in the bum. According to Thai customs that is a disrespectful thing to do. If I could know her thoughts I might know if she intended that to purposely disrespect me or if she was just playing, but that's impossible to do. I am not a mind reader.
When I was goofing around in an MP getting a normal massage I attached my foot to a TGs tush. She scolded me and then I remembered you don't do this in Thailand. I apologized, waied to her, told her I forgot about the custom here and that in my country that is considered playing or joking. She forgave me.
Once you have established a relationship with a girl what you do in private is one thing, but the public "face" should always be of concern to both of you. If she or you in any way lessens that public "face" it is a pretty grave issue.One time I was alone with a P4P TG waiting for the hotel elevator. We had just finished steamy hot sweaty sex for hours, but when I tried to kiss her there she ducked away. But with another girl I suggested jokingly we french kiss on the BTS. The funny thing is when we got on it, with a full load of Thai people all around, she not only took the initiative to stick me with her tongue, but also mimick spoon style sex as I stood behind her. Perhaps the Thai kissing police will catch up with us one day, deal with us "gravely" and put us in our place?
That being said, we do love living here because Thais are very childlike in many ways. The playfulness is great, but respect still needs to be kept in mind. You would probably never grab your Thai gal's ass in public like you would in the US, same holds true for her respecting you.I'd probably do it just because I don't have much respect for man made traditions that enslave the masses. I'm sure many Thais also feel the desire to break free from their Victorian and 1920's USA society. Maybe our DC 10 slapper is one of them, eh? Anyone up for grabbing her ass tonight? Don't forget to report back here.
"A tiny little Nana Entertainment Plaza GoGo. A friendly little GoGo with some very aggressive girls albeit a bit worn and some very dark corners to do all sorts of nasty things."
Primo Bolan
06-13-11, 06:04
At least he seems happy as he's "laughing". Would it be better to see the cup half empty, choosing to assume someone else intended to disrespect you and be feeling sad, angry, and disrespected?
One of my regulars kicked me in the bum. According to Thai customs that is a disrespectful thing to do. If I could know her thoughts I might know if she intended that to purposely disrespect me or if she was just playing, but that's impossible to do. I am not a mind reader.
When I was goofing around in an MP getting a normal massage I attached my foot to a TGs tush. She scolded me and then I remembered you don't do this in Thailand. I apologized, waied to her, told her I forgot about the custom here and that in my country that is considered playing or joking. She forgave me.
One time I was alone with a P4P TG waiting for the hotel elevator. We had just finished steamy hot sweaty sex for hours, but when I tried to kiss her there she ducked away. But with another girl I suggested jokingly we french kiss on the BTS. The funny thing is when we got on it, with a full load of Thai people all around, she not only took the initiative to stick me with her tongue, but also mimick spoon style sex as I stood behind her. Perhaps the Thai kissing police will catch up with us one day, deal with us "gravely" and put us in our place?
I'd probably do it just because I don't have much respect for man made traditions that enslave the masses. I'm sure many Thais also feel the desire to break free from their Victorian and 1920's USA society. Maybe our DC 10 slapper is one of them, eh? Anyone up for grabbing her ass tonight? Don't forget to report back here.
"A tiny little Nana Entertainment Plaza GoGo. A friendly little GoGo with some very aggressive girls albeit a bit worn and some very dark corners to do all sorts of nasty things."He waied a working girl. Hehe.
NicFrenchy
06-13-11, 10:22
He waied a working girl. Hehe.Seriously? Hahahahaha
After several visits to Thailand, doing the boneheaded newbie of waiing back, I learned 'just don't'. Return a smile. That's appreciated. But waiing? Unless you're someone experienced, like NicFrenchy, who knows the custom and ritual, how high to place the fingertips, WHO and when, forget it. Return a smile, or a nod of the head in acknowledgement.
After several visits to Thailand, doing the boneheaded newbie of waiing back, I learned 'just don't'. Return a smile. That's appreciated. But waiing? Unless you're someone experienced, like NicFrenchy, who knows the custom and ritual, how high to place the fingertips, WHO and when, forget it. Return a smile, or a nod of the head in acknowledgement.Its not bone headed to Wai back, at all. May help to be better accepted in places that don't have many Farangs.
I didn't read the whole thread.
Its better if you do Wai back, or make some attempt or head nod (if your hands are full). Even a one handed Wai if one hand is unavailable. Probably only Royalty and Monks need not Wai back, or newbie Farangs who know no better. The critical thing is to let them Wai first, unless you are visiting someone clearly superior like a monk, when you must Wai first. The higher your fingertips, the higher the level of respect. So fingertips somewhere on the chest to children, and up to your chin or nose for elders and monks. Waiing first to children is silly and indicates you don't understand.
Thias don't want to shake someone's grubby mit, usually. The Wai is a bit like a replacement.
Don't use your feet for anything except standing, walking, football, etc. Thais consider your feet in much worse light than your hands. Don't point at something with your foot. Critical error. A playful kick is probably far too dangerous too.
It always makes me laugh whenever I see guys giving wais to bargirls. It would be more appropriate to wai the cockroaches on the floor.
In my experience, you do not wai anyone who has lower status than you, and you do not wai anyone younger than you (except for monks and royalty).
It always makes me laugh whenever I see guys giving wais to bargirls. It would be more appropriate to wai the cockroaches on the floor.
In my experience, you do not wai anyone who has lower status than you, and you do not wai anyone younger than you (except for monks and royalty). Correct sir!
NicFrenchy
06-13-11, 20:40
It always makes me laugh whenever I see guys giving wais to bargirls. It would be more appropriate to wai the cockroaches on the floor.
In my experience, you do not wai anyone who has lower status than you, and you do not wai anyone younger than you (except for monks and royalty). Correct indeed. Hell, I don't even Wai monks, why should I? I am not religious so to me a monk is a somchai in an orange bathrobe.
On a serious note, I do Wai certain people (Older) if it is going to help my business, otherwise, I do not wai.
Thais do not care if Farangs Wai, they know it's not our culture and it is widely accepted for us not to wai anyone.
I laugh when tourists Wai Cashiers, taxi drivers and the likes. But it's not their fault, they don't really know.
Correct indeed. Hell, I don't even Wai monks, why should I? I am not religious so to me a monk is a somchai in an orange bathrobe.
On a serious note, I do Wai certain people (Older) if it is going to help my business, otherwise, I do not wai.
Thais do not care if Farangs Wai, they know it's not our culture and it is widely accepted for us not to wai anyone.
I laugh when tourists Wai Cashiers, taxi drivers and the likes. But it's not their fault, they don't really know. What is a "somchai"? Did you mean "some guy" like a "John Smith"?"Somchai" is a common Thai given name.
It always makes me laugh whenever I see guys giving wais to bargirls. It would be more appropriate to wai the cockroaches on the floor.
In my experience, you do not wai anyone who has lower status than you, and you do not wai anyone younger than you (except for monks and royalty). Most people are missing the critical issue with Wais. That is: don't Wai FIRST, unless to a very important person. You can Wai back or give some acknowlegement, just to be polite to them, unless ignoring them.
Its not ridiculous to Wai back to someone of lower status, if she / he waied you first.
Thais of higher status will not Wai you first anyway.
BTW Its okay to compare to cockroaches here, but seriously impolite when talking to Thais, to compare other Thais with low class animals.
It always makes me laugh whenever I see guys giving wais to bargirls. It would be more appropriate to wai the cockroaches on the floor.
In my experience, you do not wai anyone who has lower status than you, and you do not wai anyone younger than you (except for monks and royalty). Wrong.
The higher status (or older person) should not WAI FIRST.
The lower status (or younger person) should wai first and then it is at the discretion of the other person to wai back.
It is considered good and decent to return a wai irrespective of the persons class.
Times which you may consider not returning a wai are if you do not know the person (eg a sales assistant or airport staff etc.).
In this example if the customer knows the bar girl, and she wai's to the customer it could be considered ill mannered and ignorant of the person not to return a simple wai.
So you are very wrong on your understanding. And you need to correct your understanding.
Primo Bolan
06-14-11, 05:52
At least he seems happy as he's "laughing". Would it be better to see the cup half empty, choosing to assume someone else intended to disrespect you and be feeling sad, angry, and disrespected?
One of my regulars kicked me in the bum. According to Thai customs that is a disrespectful thing to do. If I could know her thoughts I might know if she intended that to purposely disrespect me or if she was just playing, but that's impossible to do. I am not a mind reader.
When I was goofing around in an MP getting a normal massage I attached my foot to a TGs tush. She scolded me and then I remembered you don't do this in Thailand. I apologized, waied to her, told her I forgot about the custom here and that in my country that is considered playing or joking. She forgave me.
One time I was alone with a P4P TG waiting for the hotel elevator. We had just finished steamy hot sweaty sex for hours, but when I tried to kiss her there she ducked away. But with another girl I suggested jokingly we french kiss on the BTS. The funny thing is when we got on it, with a full load of Thai people all around, she not only took the initiative to stick me with her tongue, but also mimick spoon style sex as I stood behind her. Perhaps the Thai kissing police will catch up with us one day, deal with us "gravely" and put us in our place?
I'd probably do it just because I don't have much respect for man made traditions that enslave the masses. I'm sure many Thais also feel the desire to break free from their Victorian and 1920's USA society. Maybe our DC 10 slapper is one of them, eh? Anyone up for grabbing her ass tonight? Don't forget to report back here.
"A tiny little Nana Entertainment Plaza GoGo. A friendly little GoGo with some very aggressive girls albeit a bit worn and some very dark corners to do all sorts of nasty things."Its obviuos that he try to gain some respect from the Thais by making out in public and wai to the working girls. He want them to break free, poor guy.
Most people are missing the critical issue with Wais. That is: don't Wai FIRST, unless to a very important person. You can Wai back or give some acknowlegement, just to be polite to them, unless ignoring them.
Its not ridiculous to Wai back to someone of lower status, if she / he waied you first.
Thais of higher status will not Wai you first anyway.
BTW Its okay to compare to cockroaches here, but seriously impolite when talking to Thais, to compare other Thais with low class animals.Correct. Finally someone who understands a little about Thai culture. Not many about.
Firstly Thai's have come to accept most farang are ignorant and in their home countries they are obnoxious anti-social animals who will not even say Hello, to their next door neighbour.
In Asia its very different, in India everone wants to shake your hand, in Thailand they wai, in Japan they bow.
Now, if I want to be an ignorant arse then yes, I can go to Japan and I do not have to bow to anyone. Japs will accept it based on me being a foreigner and thats it.
Same goes for Thailand, its accepted as with Japan they view foreigners are not knowing and also uncaring anti-social ignorants.
However THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTIHNG WRONG WITH GIVING A WAI TO ANYONE who has given a wai to you first. In fact you will be considered a good farang by Thai's, better than the ones who do not wai.
So while there is no need to wai first for the general farang here in Thailand who is not doing business, it is considered good manners to return a wai if someone gives a wai to you, with exceptions to the likes of stores sales people etc. Where a simple nod of the head and acknowledgement of the wai will suffice.
You do not have to of course, but Thai's will view you as a "jai dee" person if you wai back to someone who has given a wai to you.
It costs nothing, its simple good manners, but of course in this day and age simple good manners is missing from many people.
NicFrenchy
06-14-11, 07:35
What is a "somchai"? Did you mean "some guy" like a "John Smith"?"Somchai" is a common Thai given name.Yes, that is what I meant.
GregLondon
06-14-11, 12:12
I'm thinking of bringing a Filipina GF with me to Thailand. One option is to fly with her from the Phils another for her to fly by herself. She has got a newly minted passport with no previous travel.
My understanding is that as a member of ASEAN she can get a 30 day visa waiver. Under scenairio B where she flies alone my understanding os that she will need:
1 A confirmed RETURN ticket.
2 Confirmed hotel booking or similar proof of accommodation.
3 A letter from me guaranteeing that I will cover her expenses during the trip.
Is this correct? Does the letter 3 need to be authorized in some way if so how?
If we got for option A where I travel with her I presume that 2 and 3 are no longer necessary as I can just waive my credit cars and say I will pay for everything is this right?
Is a RETURN ticket still necessary? Ideally we would like to get 1 way then maybe travel overland to other places.
We are thinking of a 45 day stay. One option is a 30 dayvisa waiver then a visa run to the border getting another 15 days. Another option would be a 60 day visa can on eobtain these on arrival or is itnecessary to buy that in advance?
Any feedback and info appreciated.
New Old Guy
06-14-11, 13:38
I'm thinking of bringing a Filipina GF with me to Thailand.
It doesn't make any formal difference if she travel alone or with you, another foreign. In the (absurd) case immigration have an issue with her, they may refuse you to do anything for her.
To my knowledge, none of 1 to 3 are ever asked at immigration. I never heard of anybody being denied entry on a Visa waiver. You can have the airline insist on 1, however. This is because the airline gets fined when carrying passengers that are sent back (and have to carry them back at their own expenses.
After, going to the border would get her more 30 days, not 15. You can have up to 90 days of visa waiver within a period of 180.
There are no Visa or arrival in Thailand.
I'd recommend she gets a 60 days tourist visa to avoid worries and the border run. It can be extended for 30 more days going to any immigration office with 1, 900 Baht and two pictures.
It doesn't make any formal difference if she travel alone or with you, another foreign. In the (absurd) case immigration have an issue with her, they may refuse you to do anything for her.
To my knowledge, none of 1 to 3 are ever asked at immigration. I never heard of anybody being denied entry on a Visa waiver. You can have the airline insist on 1, however. This is because the airline gets fined when carrying passengers that are sent back (and have to carry them back at their own expenses.
After, going to the border would get her more 30 days, not 15. You can have up to 90 days of visa waiver within a period of 180.
There are no Visa or arrival in Thailand.
I'd recommend she gets a 60 days tourist visa to avoid worries and the border run. It can be extended for 30 more days going to any immigration office with 1, 900 Baht and two pictures. Although I have never taken a Phi girl out of the country, I have heard lots of single girls were not allowed to leave by Phi immigration people. I believe they check the legality of travel whether it is for work or leisure. It seems they ask lots of questions. So the best way is for you to escort her and provide proof of financial and social support.
Happy Harry
06-14-11, 17:33
Sorry this question has been asked to death but I haven't been able to find any recent posts about it.
What is the most reliable (real) and cost effective way to buy Cialis / Apcalis / Some other generic?
Is it still at the pharmacy close to soi 4 and sukhumvit, or via an online pharmacy?
Thanks.
HH
I wai quite a lot. I don't worry about status and the local customs behind it that much. I must even have waied children a bunch of times.
I can't remember a single time when being too nice has caused me trouble. More like the opposite. Imagine if a foreigner entered your business and was more polite than a local would, even to the point of looking a bit silly? Would you be more likely to treat him better, or a little worse? In my experience, all over the world, the tendency is to treat people in that situation better.
It always makes me laugh whenever I see guys giving wais to bargirls. It would be more appropriate to wai the cockroaches on the floor.What a sick thing to say. Get your head checked.
New Old Guy
06-14-11, 20:26
Is it still at the pharmacy close to soi 4 and sukhumvit, or via an online pharmacy?If you find a reliable online seller in Thailand, please post it here. Don't try thai-meds. Com as the (western) guy running it is a clown.
New Old Guy
06-14-11, 20:28
Although I have never taken a Phi girl out of the country, I have heard lots of single girls were not allowed to leave by Phi immigration people. I believe they check the legality of travel whether it is for work or leisure. It seems they ask lots of questions. So the best way is for you to escort her and provide proof of financial and social support.Wow, one thing is not being allowed in, another not being allowed out, with a valid passport."Legality of travel" really seems a communist country concept. What a fukced up country it must be.
NicFrenchy
06-15-11, 00:21
THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTIHNG WRONG WITH GIVING A WAI TO ANYONE who has given a wai to you first. In fact you will be considered a good farang by Thai's, better than the ones who do not wai..Firstly, you are completely wrong. LEt me give you an example:
You are at emporium. You buy things and pay at the cashier, the 17 years old boy who is in charge of puting your stuff in a bag, gives you a Wai (as they all do when you purchase things from the store) do you wai back?
I have NEVER seen a Thai wai baci these people.
What makes me laugh is all these ignorant Farangs who thing Wai-ing is going to get you brownie points in the eyes of the Thais. What a crack of shit. Dammit, where is OTH when you need him LOL.
One should NEVER Wai the Following People:
- Taxi Drivers.
- Cashiers.
- Shop Attendants.
- Cleaning Staff.
- Waitresses.
- Kids or Anyone Younger than you.
A nod and a smile are more than enough.
You are at emporium. You buy things and pay at the cashier, the 17 years old boy who is in charge of puting your stuff in a bag, gives you a Wai (as they all do when you purchase things from the store) do you wai back?Obviously you did not read the earlier post 14460 by me which says clearly what you have said.
Try reading the whole thread first before answering to later posts only, you have ignored post 14460 and simply cut a bit of post 14662 and using it out of context.
LittleBigMan
06-15-11, 01:45
Firstly, you are completely wrong. LEt me give you an example:
You are at emporium. You buy things and pay at the cashier, the 17 years old boy who is in charge of puting your stuff in a bag, gives you a Wai (as they all do when you purchase things from the store) do you wai back?
I have NEVER seen a Thai wai baci these people.
What makes me laugh is all these ignorant Farangs who thing Wai-ing is going to get you brownie points in the eyes of the Thais. What a crack of shit. Dammit, where is OTH when you need him LOL.
One should NEVER Wai the Following People:
- Taxi Drivers.
- Cashiers.
- Shop Attendants.
- Cleaning Staff.
- Waitresses.
- Kids or Anyone Younger than you.
A nod and a smile are more than enough. Nic,
I never got the chance since OTH was kicked out.
Should I Wai, if I think it would get me a better GFE? I have no ego or shame.
LBM
Etaoin2003
06-15-11, 02:24
I can't remember a single time when being too nice has caused me trouble.Good answer.
Firstly, you are completely wrong.
One should NEVER Wai the Following People:
- Kids or Anyone Younger than you.
A nod and a smile are more than enough. Barely enough! If what you claim were true, the "Wai back" would not exist at all in Thailand. So Nic only Wais his superiors/elders and they never Wai back? :confused:
When Thai kids and younger people Wai their elders, do they get a Wai back? Of course they do (usually).
Its vaguely like if a Thai were in a western country, we put out our hand to shake his or her hand, and the Thai refuses to shake hands, thinking that its not necessary (and the hand may well be very dirty).
In general Farangs are in far more danger of being rude or ignorant of Thai customs than of being over polite (as Chill Out points out). I for one, am working on improving my politeness in Thailand, but still have lapses caused by being angry.
Look I partially agree, but the NEVER was too strong. I give a taxi driver, or bar waitress a tip, and get a quick little Wai from them, I probably wouldn't bother to Wai back in this case. Yes just a nod would be O.K. But when two people have some regular or close relationship (not a sexual one) or in formal circumstances, and one Wais the other, then probably should get a Wai back.
Same goes for Thailand, its accepted as with Japan they view foreigners are not knowing and also uncaring anti-social ignorants.
However THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTIHNG WRONG WITH GIVING A WAI TO ANYONE who has given a wai to you first. In fact you will be considered a good farang by Thai's, better than the ones who do not wai.
Completely and utterly incorrect. Most Thais do not perceive us as "good farangs" no matter how much we wai or do not wai.
Many just look at us as sex tourists, which is why you almost never see a white skinned Bangkok girl from a proper family and good upbringing with a farang. Don't believe me? Read this: http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/Reader/reader1844.htm
I for one, am working on improving my politeness in Thailand, but still have lapses caused by being angry.Maybe you should work on the anger before the politeness.
GregLondon
06-15-11, 05:10
I'm thinking of bringing a Filipina GF with me to Thailand. One option is to fly with her from the Phils another for her to fly by herself. She has got a newly minted passport with no previous travel.
My understanding is that as a member of ASEAN she can get a 30 day visa waiver. Under scenairio B where she flies alone my understanding os that she will need:
1 A confirmed RETURN ticket.
2 Confirmed hotel booking or similar proof of accommodation.
3 A letter from me guaranteeing that I will cover her expenses during the trip.
Is this correct? Does the letter 3 need to be authorized in some way if so how?
If we got for option A where I travel with her I presume that 2 and 3 are no longer necessary as I can just waive my credit cars and say I will pay for everything is this right?
Is a RETURN ticket still necessary? Ideally we would like to get 1 way then maybe travel overland to other places.
We are thinking of a 45 day stay. One option is a 30 dayvisa waiver then a visa run to the border getting another 15 days. Another option would be a 60 day visa can on eobtain these on arrival or is itnecessary to buy that in advance?
Any feedback and info appreciated. Thanks for the feedback to date.
I know it's going to be tough if she is travelling alone. Another Phil ex GF of mine was recently refused passage on her flight to Singapore (where she was due to meet her American BF and then fly on to Bali for what was supposed to be a celebration of their engagement. She was taken away fro a heavy interrogation and they concluded that she didn't have enough money (she had 6000P in cash only) to support herself with no verified letter of support from her BF) She was devastated as had been looking forward to her first ever foreign trip for months and they later split up.
I doubt we have time to get the 60 day visa as she is not in manila and plan to travel ina few days. Someone said she can get an additional 30 days in an overland visa run, have the rules for all foreighn ers changed or is this a ASEAN thing?
One should NEVER Wai the Following People:
- Taxi Drivers.
- Cashiers.
- Shop Attendants.
- Cleaning Staff.
- Waitresses.
- Kids or Anyone Younger than you.
A nod and a smile are more than enough. That's not a bad list; I think mostly I smile and nod at these people, because usually it's just a commercial transaction with them anyway, there is no connection being made. However, if for example I spill something on the floor, I might wai at the cleaning lady who rushes to clean it up. I don't give a fuck if it's considered stupid by traditional thai people who might consider a cleaning lady low-status. I don't.
I wouldn't stone to death an unveiled woman if I were living among the talibans either. There is a line where "do as locals do" must stop. I understand if one has to be guarded in a business context, where face might win or lose a deal and you can't know what kind of prejudices the client has. But in your daily life, I don't believe this is stuff one should worry about. In my experience, truly Hi-so, well-educated folks feel the same way. The ones who worry too much about class usually don't have much of it to begin with.
What makes me laugh is all these ignorant Farangs who thing Wai-ing is going to get you brownie points in the eyes of the Thais. What a crack of shit...I think I agree with everything you said, Nic, but pray tell: what is "a crack of shit"? :)
FreebieFan
06-15-11, 08:10
I know it's going to be tough if she is travelling alone. Another Phil ex GF of mine was recently refused passage on her flight to Singapore (where she was due to meet her American BF and then fly on to Bali for what was supposed to be a celebration of their engagement. She was taken away fro a heavy interrogation and they concluded that she didn't have enough money (she had 6000P in cash only) to support herself with no verified letter of support from her BF)
I doubt we have time to get the 60 day visa as she is not in manila and plan to travel ina few days. Someone said she can get an additional 30 days in an overland visa run, have the rules for all foreighn ers changed or is this a ASEAN thing?Hi Greg, there are many Filipinas who stay in KL. They do visa runs to Thailand all the time. Its quite normal and as long as you get her into BKK you sohuld be able to do a Malaysia visa run. It works equally well in reverse.
A filipina friend of mine is waiting to get her passport (see Manila report from last weekend) and I'm wondering where I will take her first, whether to BKK, Singapore or HK. I've taken many Filipinas, and Indonesians to Singapore in past and never had problem yet, but we all know the rules and how the game is played can change from time to time. Certainly the return ticket is a manadatory one.
I think I agree with everything you said, Nic, but pray tell: what is "a crack of shit"? :)That's when you really have to go to a Thai toilet and there's no butt gun, or paper! Of course, then the bucket of water must do.
Of course, the French language is a little different, so it may have another meaning. ;)
New Old Guy
06-15-11, 10:11
Thanks for the feedback to date.
I know it's going to be tough if she is travelling alone. Another Phil ex GF of mine was recently refused passage on her flight to Singapore (where she was due to meet her American BF and then fly on to Bali for what was supposed to be a celebration of their engagement. She was taken away fro a heavy interrogation and they concluded that she didn't have enough money (she had 6000P in cash only) to support herself with no verified letter of support from her BF) She was devastated as had been looking forward to her first ever foreign trip for months and they later split up. I'm amazed by hearing that because anywhere over the world is the country where you travel to that can impose this kind of restrictions, not the one that you leave. What about the millions of Philippino that leave the country to seek work and do not have a work permit intially. Seriously, I would check the legality of this with a lawyer and possibly have him accompany her to the airport.
I doubt we have time to get the 60 day visa as she is not in manila and plan to travel ina few days.Visa are normally issued the day following the application.
Someone said she can get an additional 30 days in an overland visa run, have the rules for all foreighn ers changed or is this a ASEAN thing?The visa exemption rules are the same for any country the visa exemption applies to. Once out of the country, one can try to re-entry for 30 days more, even if refused can always go the consulate and get the Visa. This if course only practicable when traveling by land.
New Old Guy
06-15-11, 11:29
GL,
Also remember that overstay is fined 500 Baht a day, so in some cases it can be more convenient to just pay up.
From what I've heard, previous overstays do not make a reason for being denied a visa or visa exemption.
Barely enough! If what you claim were true, the "Wai back" would not exist at all in Thailand. So Nic only Wais his superiors / elders and they never Wai back? :confused:
When Thai kids and younger people Wai their elders, do they get a Wai back? Of course they do (usually).
Its vaguely like if a Thai were in a western country, we put out our hand to shake his or her hand, and the Thai refuses to shake hands, thinking that its not necessary (and the hand may well be very dirty).
In general Farangs are in far more danger of being rude or ignorant of Thai customs than of being over polite (as Chill Out points out). I for one, am working on improving my politeness in Thailand, but still have lapses caused by being angry.
Look I partially agree, but the NEVER was too strong. I give a taxi driver, or bar waitress a tip, and get a quick little Wai from them, I probably wouldn't bother to Wai back in this case. Yes just a nod would be okay But when two people have some regular or close relationship (not a sexual one) or in formal circumstances, and one Wais the other, then probably should get a Wai back.Well said!
Some people only know about Thailand what they read from others who do not know, leading to many who do not actually know the ins and outs of it all.
Hey guys,
Just wanted to let you know that I'm having no trouble finding freelancers to take 500 baht for ST. Sure they'll quote 1000 or 1500 if I ask, but many are accepting 500.
It's interesting that many of the posts I've seen lately are quoting much higher rates.
GregLondon
06-15-11, 12:28
I'm amazed by hearing that because anywhere over the world is the country where you travel to that can impose this kind of restrictions, not the one that you leave. What about the millions of Philippino that leave the country to seek work and do not have a work permit intially. Seriously, I would check the legality of this with a lawyer and possibly have him accompany her to the airport.
Visa are normally issued the day following the application.
The visa exemption rules are the same for any country the visa exemption applies to. Once out of the country, one can try to re-entry for 30 days more, even if refused can always go the consulate and get the Visa. This if course only practicable when traveling by land. Yes you would have thought that wouldn't you but I'm afraid having spoken to quite afew people its fairly common for Philippines airlines and immigartion people to cause all sorts of hassles. The issue for them is that given the wage differentials its pretty attractive for penniless phil girls to try to hop on a plane to Singapore or BKK in the hope of earning enough there to pay for their flight. They therefore try to enforce the standard visa regulations to the absolute letter in order to deter as many as possible. This includes insisting on Return tickets, booked accommodation and proof of financial status, things which they just ignore if you area western traveller. If the girl can actually get on the plane she will generaly be OK at Thai Sing immigration, getting on the plane is the hurdle.
If you check with the Thai Embassy on line it states that Filipinos qualify fro a 30 day visa waiver. We tried to book a ticket at aCebu travel agent today and they insisted that they could not sell a ticklte unless you had a 14 day return ticket.
I need to hear from guys who have actually had experience of taking Phil girls into Thailand to find out what the situation in reality is.
GregLondon:
Overland Visas are only 15 days now I believe. Only flying into Thailand gets you 30 days.
New Old Guy
06-15-11, 13:06
GregLondon:
Overland Visas are only 15 days now I believe. Only flying into Thailand gets you 30 days. That is right. I stand corrected.
Wow, one thing is not being allowed in, another not being allowed out, with a valid passport."Legality of travel" really seems a communist country concept. What a fukced up country it must be.It is not really a fucked up rules and regulations. According to my friends in Phi who advised me not to take the girls out of the country is few years ago any and all of the Phi people could travel anywhere. It was not the problem of Phi immigration if for whatever reason the specific country did not allow them in. It seems lots of people travelled with fake documents like job offer and financial support documents etc. Even the countries in question allowed them in on those papers.
Next thing is whoever brought them in could not find jobs for them and abandoned them. Only thing these people could do is go to the Phi embassy and ask for help. Phi embassy had to pay for their ticket back home with no hope of ever getting re-imbursed.
After countless cases like this Phi government started checking the papers and the legality at the source. When the immigration stops the people from boarding the persons loose their air-ticket unless they have a refundable fare. Since most of the fares are non.refundable these days there is no way to get the money back not counting how much money the person invested in transportation from home, other logistics etc.
Unfortunately the law is not selective towards tourism travel. All Phi people irrespective are scrutinized.
Befor I wanted to take my GF from Leyte to China but my friends told me it is better to take her local tourism and enjoy. It was a big dissappointment for her.
Even in Hong Kong I have personally seen many single girls escorted by police back on the plant I was travelling obviously were refused entry. The police stayed till the doors were closed.
Irrespective of Visa free rules immigration people can block entry.
If anybody has a thirld world poor country passport, they become targets for questioning and discrimination irrespective of laws.
Yes you would have thought that wouldn't you but I'm afraid having spoken to quite afew people its fairly common for Philippines airlines and immigartion people to cause all sorts of hassles. . If the girl can actually get on the plane she will generaly be OK at Thai Sing immigration, getting on the plane is the hurdle.
If you check with the Thai Embassy on line it states that Filipinos qualify fro a 30 day visa waiver. We tried to book a ticket at aCebu travel agent today and they insisted that they could not sell a ticklte unless you had a 14 day return ticket.
I need to hear from guys who have actually had experience of taking Phil girls into Thailand to find out what the situation in reality is. I really don't understand what you are trying to get from this forum. This is a mongering forum. Yes, there are many travelers here, but every visa case is different. You clearly state the problems you are facing yet you want people to give you suggestions. For what? The visa rules are clear. If you are that enamored with your GF then just buy a return ticket for her. You want her for more than 30 days then you clearly know what the methods are.
I am not trying to be rude, but I don't see the point of this pointless discussions. If you are looking for sympathies, then I feel sorry for you.
Peace and have a great trip.
Hey guys,
Just wanted to let you know that I'm having no trouble finding freelancers to take 500 baht for ST. Sure they'll quote 1000 or 1500 if I ask, but many are accepting 500. Please post some pics of these girls if you can. I doubt any off the girls you're getting for 500ST are pretty or they could be ladyboys LOL!
Hi all,
Could anybody advice on a good dvd shop in BKK? I mean a shop which would have most of the titles you could think of but would sell it at 100 bath or less a piece.
Same question for porn, is there a shop with a lot of choice of japanese porn in BKK?
Thanks in advance!
K.
Primo Bolan
06-15-11, 20:01
It always makes me laugh whenever I see guys giving wais to bargirls. It would be more appropriate to wai the cockroaches on the floor.
In my experience, you do not wai anyone who has lower status than you, and you do not wai anyone younger than you (except for monks and royalty). This is the first lesson for every farang going to LOS. Its harsh but very true. I thought it was clear to many of you on the forum, but after this discussion I understand its not. So you try to get some respect by waing the bargirls? Embarrassing!
Hey guys,
Just wanted to let you know that I'm having no trouble finding freelancers to take 500 baht for ST. Sure they'll quote 1000 or 1500 if I ask, but many are accepting 500.
It's interesting that many of the posts I've seen lately are quoting much higher rates. That would not surprise me, as there are some real dogs out there. And the rare stunner. The former would have to pay me 10, 000 or find me extremely drunk. I approached one of the latter the other day and asked how much. She said what will you give me. I replied with the usual rate they ask near NEP of 1000. She immediately agreed. Her service was fabulous and I gave her 2000 per hour because she's worth it, I want her to be calling me every day, to say no to guys offering 1000 or less, and be availabble to me anytime I want her.
Please post some pics of these girls if you can. I doubt any off the girls you're getting for 500ST are pretty or they could be ladyboys LOL!Let's just say they are of the kind you find down by the Grace Hotel and inside the BG, not at Thermae or those who have just left NEP. Although if his point is that he's finding better deals or better gals at that price than before, my experiences in the last month or so seem to agree in that girls are more desperate out there now than back in April and May. So now you can get more bang for your baht. Why would that be? Concerns about the effect of upcoming elections, Japanese disasters, rainy & low season, increased police raids of SW FL's?
I tried Eden Club last week. The cost is 3, 900 for two girls. Girls line up, to the left of the wall marker are the ones that do anal, and to the right not.
The lineup was more mature than other options in BK. Unfortunately I can't recall the names of the two I picked but both were petite (probably the only two that were thin). They worked well together performing a BBBJ in unison. A strap-on was being used on one while she gave me a BJ. Quite fun. In another position, I was taking one in the ass doggy style while fingering the other.
I recommend if you don't mind a MILF type of provider.
Could anybody advice on a good dvd shop in BKK? I mean a shop which would have most of the titles you could think of but would sell it at 100 bath or less a piece.
Same question for porn, is there a shop with a lot of choice of japanese porn in BKK?
K. There are some guys who sell good quality DVDs on Sukhumvit soi 11, to the right as you exit the soi, just before the stairs up to the BTS. (Go in the direction of Nana.) The quality is good (in my experience) and I think the deal is 100 THB each, or 6 for 500 THB. The guys have good English. Someone will go somewhere to get the titles you select from empty DVD covers, return with everything in less than 5 minutes.
No clue about where to find porn, except that the street vendors also seem to (openly) sell porn DVDs. You could ask the guys who sell you the ordinary DVDs. TTG
Hi all,
Could anybody advice on a good dvd shop in BKK? I mean a shop which would have most of the titles you could think of but would sell it at 100 bath or less a piece.
Same question for porn, is there a shop with a lot of choice of japanese porn in BKK?
Thanks in advance!
K. You need to find a vendor who will honestly tell you which ones are "Chat" good standard copies. Because I can speak Thai, they usually will tell me. I buy at Phanthip Plaza or Mah Boon Khrong (same floor as the mobile phones).
I find that street vendors often don't even know which of their DVDs are good quality as they didn't produce them and just the person doing the selling. If you are going to buy off the street I suggest you take your portable player with you to check the quality, and make sure can play the very end scene of the movie.
I don't agree with TimTimGuy on this one.
Porn is difficult because lots of it will be poor quality. Test it before buying too much.
Not sure why you want Japanese porn, but personally, I don't like it.
Better to get free porn on the internet these days, or in Thailand you make your own real porno scenarios with Thai girls rather than just watch video.
Many just look at us as sex tourists, which is why you almost never see a white skinned Bangkok girl from a proper family and good upbringing with a farang. Don't believe me? Read this:
http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/Reader/reader1844.htmMango Fan,
Don't believe everything you read by some "expert" is true ALL of the time. Turns out the writer was a Thai man, so automatically biased.
There are always exceptions to break the rule. The world is not all "same same".
You can certainly say "Rarely" but never say "Never".
Some Thai girls like some Farangs better than Thai men, regardless of which class the girl comes from.
Not sure why you had to say "white skinned".
Could anybody advice on a good dvd shop in BKK? I mean a shop which would have most of the titles you could think of but would sell it at 100 bath or less a piece.
Same question for porn, is there a shop with a lot of choice of japanese porn in BKK? All that stuff will be in Pantip Plaza on Petchaburi Road. It's a multi-story plaza with many stores that sell electronics H / W, S / W etc.
At those prices you mentioned, it has to be pirated. In Pantip, many stores offer pirated DVD, including porn. It won't be as open as it was before, but it should be easy to find what you want.
Note: It will be cheaper if you get the DVDs in Phnom Penh. It will cost either $1.30 or $1.50 for each DVD.
Crazy4Thai
06-16-11, 12:42
Hi all,
Could anybody advice on a good dvd shop in BKK? I mean a shop which would have most of the titles you could think of but would sell it at 100 bath or less a piece.
Same question for porn, is there a shop with a lot of choice of japanese porn in BKK?
Thanks in advance!
K. My experience has been that I can buy at Panthip on the 2nd floor for 80 bt if I haggle. Regular movies. I don't know about porn. Quality is still hit or miss no matter what they tell you. You can preview non-porn right there in the shop before you buy. In Panthip the porn touts hang out by the escalators on the 2nd level. I've had very bad luck with quality on the ground floor@100 Bt per disc, no haggling allowed. I bought some good quality porn on Suk and soi 7/1 from the street vendor for 100 bt each. No quality issues. Stickman wrote about massive amounts of porn in Chinatown for what? 60 baht I think. Maybe one of the more seasoned expats could chime in on details about that.
Mr Enternational
06-16-11, 15:30
Some Thai girls like some Farangs better than Thai men, regardless of which class the girl comes from.Same as I'm an American guy and I like Latina and Asian women better than I like American women. Many times it's just personal preference and has nothing to do with money or opportunity.
Not sure where you went on the ground floor but the shop I go to (same one for a number of years) is 70bt each. Only once did I get a disc that would not work and that is out of many I have bought there over the years. If you walk in the door and sort of follow A&W fast food place which is on the left down that aisle. It is the first small aisle to the left and first stall on the right (maybe only stall on that small Aisle. Was last there 3 weeks ago. For whatever it is worth.
My experience has been that I can buy at Panthip on the 2nd floor for 80 bt if I haggle. Regular movies. I don't know about porn. Quality is still hit or miss no matter what they tell you. You can preview non-porn right there in the shop before you buy. In Panthip the porn touts hang out by the escalators on the 2nd level. I've had very bad luck with quality on the ground floor@100 Bt per disc, no haggling allowed. I bought some good quality porn on Suk and soi 7/1 from the street vendor for 100 bt each. No quality issues. Stickman wrote about massive amounts of porn in Chinatown for what? 60 baht I think. Maybe one of the more seasoned expats could chime in on details about that.
Thanks all for the info!
Is Pantip better than MBK? MBK is more that ok but there is some shops in other south-east asian cities where the owner has almost anything you could think of (including older movies) and would be able to order the titles which are not in store (we're still talking about pirated, cheap but good quality dvds). Is it lile that in Pantip?
I was taking one in the ass doggy style while fingering the other.Maybe poor word choice but if not hey. We won't judge you.
AussieDoug
06-17-11, 12:39
Yes you would have thought that wouldn't you but I'm afraid having spoken to quite afew people its fairly common for Philippines airlines and immigartion people to cause all sorts of hassles. The issue for them is that given the wage differentials its pretty attractive for penniless phil girls to try to hop on a plane to Singapore or BKK in the hope of earning enough there to pay for their flight. They therefore try to enforce the standard visa regulations to the absolute letter in order to deter as many as possible. This includes insisting on Return tickets, booked accommodation and proof of financial status, things which they just ignore if you area western traveller. If the girl can actually get on the plane she will generaly be OK at Thai Sing immigration, getting on the plane is the hurdle.
If you check with the Thai Embassy on line it states that Filipinos qualify fro a 30 day visa waiver. We tried to book a ticket at aCebu travel agent today and they insisted that they could not sell a ticklte unless you had a 14 day return ticket.
I need to hear from guys who have actually had experience of taking Phil girls into Thailand to find out what the situation in reality is. Filis qualify for a tourist visa if they have a return ticket, that is the definition of a tourist, you are going there to look at the sights and then going back home. It is not some dastardly plot by the airline to keep girls in the country, the airline cops a fine from the receiving country if it carries people who do not meet the visa regs and they get caught. Ok, so you need to buy her a rerturn ticket, and when you think about it, that's the safest for the girl, at least she can get home if you dump her.
Mealticket
06-17-11, 13:45
This is awesome
Rather than talking about banging chix, we're talking about buying porno at phantip, importing flips to Thailand and whether to wai go go touts or not.
How sad is that?
Well I just finished up my first 3 days in Bangkok and am now heading to Pattaya. I figured I give a quick report on my findings in BKK. After RTFF I thought I had a pretty good idea of what to expect as far as prices were going to go. All the bars and go gos I'm talking about were in the Nana area. I was able to get girls from bars for 1500-2000 baht with little trouble. I also found that no matter how good or bad my haggling skills were the girls at the go gos were always more expensive. Many would set such a high LT price that it seemed like they were trying to force you into ST. That being said I never took a girl out of a go go, but I did enjoy having a drink or two at a few go gos, Billboard was by far my personal favorite. I should also note that there seemed to be a higher concentration of younger girls in the go gos vs the bars. I preferred the bars, but thats just me, to each there own.
The first night I went to a good many bars and go gos, but ended up spending the most time at Hillary bar a little ways past NEP. I had a few drinks with Mi and decided that it was about time to head back to the room, because I was getting pretty drunk at this point. We agreed on 1500 baht LT and headed back to the room. Gave a great BBJ with CIM. All in all not the best, but for 1500 baht well worth a repeat and I did on my last night.
On my second night I decided to hold out a little later and ended up having a drink in probably about 10 go gos and 5 or so bars. Every once in awhile a girl would catch my eye and I'the inquire on a LT price, but as stated early I found almost all the go go girls wanting way to much imo. I ended up waiting for NEP to start closing down (around 0230 on a wed night) that is when Taa caught my eye. She was with 2 friends and they we're all heading to a disco to drink and Dance. Much to my surprise not only was the disco still open when we got the around 0300, but the were also still serving and hand live music. Drank and danced (or tried to dance I should say) for about an hour, then headed back to my room. Great BBJ, but she was a little reserved about giving one at first. She also had some great tits for a Thai girl, at least a large C cup. In the best she was very good and full of energy. We also had a repeat in the morning before she left. We never really talked price before going back to my room and when I asked her how much she wanted she told my 3000. I told her because we never spoke about a price I'the give her 2000 plus a 500 tip. She seemed okay with that and left. I don't know where you can find her. Never asked were she work and I found here walking out of NEP.
Also I noticed the were some Russian girls working (most ugly) in the Soi 3 area with all the Arab restaurants.
Anyway headed to Pattaya now to see what it has to offer. Hoping to find some girls that are a little more camera friendly.
----- It is not some dastardly plot by the airline to keep girls in the country, the airline cops a fine from the receiving country if it carries people who do not meet the visa regs and they get caught. -----.Correct airlines will have to pay 5000US$ fine and have to bring the passenger back on their own expenses (then if they get it back from the passenger is another story)
Happens everywhere in the world.
I personally had a problem in Bolivia (after a 3hrs airport transit coming from Colombia, where I stayed 12hrs) heading to Brazil. I did not have the yellow fever vaccination done (required in Brazil for people coming from either Colombia and Bolivia). I was denied check in and boarding. After mails exchange with ariline office at finalk destination I was allowed on the plane. When I arrived I was escorted to the Airport Health for vaccination. Then they let me in the country.
It is then I learnt from the airline about the fine for allowing people on board and not legally entitled to enter a country.
This is the first lesson for every farang going to LOS. Its harsh but very true. I thought it was clear to many of you on the forum, but after this discussion I understand its not. So you try to get some respect by waing the bargirls? Embarrassing!I've been told that if you're wai is not brought high when waing a youngster or a 'lesser' it is appropriate. The higher you bring your wai, the more reverence and respect you show. Bowing lower is also thrown in for people you respect, so maybe a chest high wai and little to no bow would be a reasonable way to give a polite Hello, to a sex worker?
Crocodilexp
06-17-11, 20:30
maybe a chest high wai and little to no bow would be a reasonable way to give a polite Hello, to a sex worker?You're correct in general, but the specific example is not what Thais would do. They would never use wai at all as a greeting with a sex worker, or any far-lower-ranking service worker (e. G. 7-11 clerk, street vendor, maid) -- it's more appropriate to just nod, even in response to a wai.
The low wai is be used for greeting people of same or slightly lower rank. for instance your direct reports or a junior external vendor if you're a manager (and in a good mood).
Note that this applies to greeting, but it's appropriate to use a wai as a thank you with anyone, including a lower ranking person if they go out of they way to help you (but not as a routine "thanks" if they're doing their job well). For higher ranking people (say, higher-up government officials), it's wais all the way, even if they're just doing their job (and poorly).
I usually don't go for the small petite thai gogo girl. I prefer seeking out tall girls with big booties, but this girl was the most seductive and slutty pole dancer I've ever seen in a thai gogo. I barfined her and took her straight back to my room. Just as I suspected she was an animal! Glorious BBBJ, DATY, DFK and a great attitude. She definitely brought her pole dancing energy back to the sack! Now it must be explained that My bank account only lets me withdraw $300 per day from ATMs. I only had 1500 bht when I got to Nana and explained to the Mamasan (who drug me in there and insisted it didn't matter and I could pay the girl of my choice 1000 for an hour) Wasn't going to argue with that, but apparently she didn't communicate this to my pole dancer. So our session is coming to an end I decide to finish with a BBBJCIM which takes for ever, at the end I'm on my knees on the bed and she's on her knees going to town. For some reason when I tell her I'm coming she didn't want me to explode in her mouth so she lifts her head up a bit and opens her mouth like waiting for me to shoot up in her mouth. Right as I explode she moves her head slightly and the first huge stream blasts straight up her left nostril! So she starts choking and gagging, meanwhile hot streaks of jizz are still spraying into her mouth and face. At this point she turns her head and amidst loud gags makes a comical hunched over, break for the bathroom. So I'm sitting there, still shuddering from an amazing orgasm with mingled feelings of guilt and amusement over whats taking place. Now the waters running, she's spitting, and rinsing her mouth out and gagging so hard it sounds like she might be puking. I gave her her space. Eventually she comes back smiling shyly. I apologize and we laugh it off. Whew! Things didn't stay comfortable for long however. I hand her two pathetic 500 baht notes for an amazing performance and taking a load up her nose. She is pissed! I try to explain but she won't even look at me, won't leave and now she's got tears running down her face, it was terrible, I felt like such an asshole, but had no way to make it up to her. She didn't believe me about my ATM so I told her to call her Mamasan. She's arguing and bitching on the phone and starts crying harder and hangs up, she turns and spits some serious venom in thai for a minute then storms out the door. After recovering from the What the f*k just happened moment I walked into the bathroom to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) and explode into laughter. There was slightly digested rice all over in the sink. She had actually vomited from the ordeal. She puked rice from a load up the nose! HAHAHAHAHAHA! Terrible I know, but you have to see the humor in it. I swore to find her again in her gogo and just hand her 2000 baht. I felt I owed it to her. It must have been an embarrassing slap in the face of an evening. I stopped in on two different nights but couldn't find her.
You're correct in general, but the specific example is not what Thais would do. They would never use wai at all as a greeting with a sex worker, or any far-lower-ranking service worker (e. G. 7-11 clerk, street vendor, maid). It's more appropriate to just nod, even in response to a wai.
The low wai is be used for greeting people of same or slightly lower rank. For instance your direct reports or a junior external vendor if you're a manager (and in a good mood).
Note that this applies to greeting, but it's appropriate to use a wai as a thank you With anyone, including a lower ranking person if they go out of they way to help you (but not as a routine "thanks" if they're doing their job well). For higher ranking people (say, higher-up government officials) , it's wais all the way, even if they're just doing their job (and poorly). Good to know. Thanks Croco!
NicFrenchy
06-18-11, 00:05
Now it must be explained that My bank account only lets me withdraw $300 per day from ATMs. I only had 1500 bht when I got to NanaSo let me get this straight. You come all the way to Thailand. With no money and rely on the $300 / day withdrawal you are allowed to make? No backup cash at all?
You're correct in general, but the specific example is not what Thais would do. They would never use wai at all as a greeting with a sex worker, or any far-lower-ranking service worker (e. G. 7-11 clerk, street vendor, maid). It's more appropriate to just nod, even in response to a wai.
The low wai is be used for greeting people of same or slightly lower rank. For instance your direct reports or a junior external vendor if you're a manager (and in a good mood).
Note that this applies to greeting, but it's appropriate to use a wai as a thank you With anyone, including a lower ranking person if they go out of they way to help you (but not as a routine "thanks" if they're doing their job well). For higher ranking people (say, higher-up government officials) , it's wais all the way, even if they're just doing their job (and poorly). Generally speaking if you don't know the wai protocol well (heck that's just about almost all of us farang) as in trying to figure out the appropriate height of your wai or whether you should wai at all, you're far better off not wai'ing at all than screwing it up. This is an aspect the Thai grow up knowing from early childhood on, how they figure out the appropriate wai'ing posture is something they know by instinct borne from many years of doing it and from knowing their place in the pecking order. Two week millionaires will never come close to this level of familiarity with the gesture.
You can nod your head once briefly to acknowledge the wai. You may even throw in a smile with the head nod if the mood calls for it, but that's it. They know you're a foreigner, you're not going to be expected to know everything about local customs.
So let me get this straight. You come all the way to Thailand. With no money and rely on the $300 / day withdrawal you are allowed to make? No backup cash at all?I also never bring much cash with me to Thailand. Just whatever baht I have left over from my previous trip. Of course, my ATM allows for $1000 withdrawal per day but that one reams me with fees and bad exchange rate. So I got a second account for traveling with no fees and great exchange rate with a $500 limit per day.
I see no reason to bring USD to Thailand.
And now you have spoilt what was a good girl and probably made her hate farangs now. She will demand more money, demand money up front, not give good service etc.
This I am afraid happens all the time, whether by accident or planning and its why many complain about high prices, paying up front, poor service etc. Because the girls get screwed like this over and over and over until they are the ones who start to screw customers.
If you do not have enough money to pay for the goods do not take the girl.
HOWEVER, some key errors in your story.
You have 1500 baht.
You entered a bar, you managed to pay a bar fine and also have a drink for under 500 baht? When bar fine is 600 baht. As you claim later to have still 1000 baht over?
And no go-go girl ever agrees to go short time for 1000 baht. Thats 1500 baht minimum.
So I am guessing your story is not true. Perhaps a little story to try to ingite some flames. ? .
I usually don't go for the small petite thai gogo girl. I prefer seeking out tall girls with big booties, but this girl was the most seductive and slutty pole dancer I've ever seen in a thai gogo. I barfined her and took her straight back to my room. Just as I suspected she was an animal! Glorious BBBJ, DATY, DFK and a great attitude. She definitely brought her pole dancing energy back to the sack! Now it must be explained that My bank account only lets me withdraw $300 per day from ATMs. I only had 1500 bht when I got to Nana and explained to the Mamasan (who drug me in there and insisted it didn't matter and I could pay the girl of my choice 1000 for an hour) Wasn't going to argue with that, but apparently she didn't communicate this to my pole dancer. So our session is coming to an end I decide to finish with a BBBJCIM which takes for ever, at the end I'm on my knees on the bed and she's on her knees going to town. For some reason when I tell her I'm coming she didn't want me to explode in her mouth so she lifts her head up a bit and opens her mouth like waiting for me to shoot up in her mouth. Right as I explode she moves her head slightly and the first huge stream blasts straight up her left nostril! So she starts choking and gagging, meanwhile hot streaks of jizz are still spraying into her mouth and face. At this point she turns her head and amidst loud gags makes a comical hunched over, break for the bathroom. So I'm sitting there, still shuddering from an amazing orgasm with mingled feelings of guilt and amusement over whats taking place. Now the waters running, she's spitting, and rinsing her mouth out and gagging so hard it sounds like she might be puking. I gave her her space. Eventually she comes back smiling shyly. I apologize and we laugh it off. Whew! Things didn't stay comfortable for long however. I hand her two pathetic 500 baht notes for an amazing performance and taking a load up her nose. She is pissed! I try to explain but she won't even look at me, won't leave and now she's got tears running down her face, it was terrible, I felt like such an asshole, but had no way to make it up to her. She didn't believe me about my ATM so I told her to call her Mamasan. She's arguing and bitching on the phone and starts crying harder and hangs up, she turns and spits some serious venom in thai for a minute then storms out the door. After recovering from the What the f*k just happened moment I walked into the bathroom to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) and explode into laughter. There was slightly digested rice all over in the sink. She had actually vomited from the ordeal. She puked rice from a load up the nose! HAHAHAHAHAHA! Terrible I know, but you have to see the humor in it. I swore to find her again in her gogo and just hand her 2000 baht. I felt I owed it to her. It must have been an embarrassing slap in the face of an evening. I stopped in on two different nights but couldn't find her.
So let me get this straight. You come all the way to Thailand. With no money and rely on the $300 / day withdrawal you are allowed to make? No backup cash at all?On principle $300 a day should be ok to survive lodging, food and mongeting as I assume such a kind would not call at JWMarriott or alike.
I also agree one should always have back up cash, especially in the first part of the stay.
Anyhow I am not surprised of anything when I read so often about ATM fees etc, just as anything should be free. I don't want to digress further.
And now you have spoilt what was a good girl and probably made her hate farangs now. She will demand more money, demand money up front, not give good service etc.
HOWEVER, some key errors in your story.
So I am guessing your story is not true. Perhaps a little story to try to ingite some flames. ? . I usually do not share your opinions on pricing, but this is another story.
In this case I fully agree with your concepts. 100%.
I don't think the girl will see a humorous side even if and when she gets the 2000b.
The girl's pride has been touched. She probably felt betrayed.
Let's not forget, with all respect, she is a Thai bar girl, a WG, not a sophisticated and well cultured girl so we have to take into account what and how her head will elaborate.
Relaying on the mama-san to communicate all to the girl can't be taken for granted. All what she cares is take her stake of the deal. She got it! The rest is irrelevant. How many times did we hear or experienced that girl services or performances agreed with mama-san are then not happening? Some mama-san or pimps are just like salesmen of "previously owned cars".
Would not wonder if the girl disappeared for a while after the episode, rethinking in her little head the sense of her job and the earnings out of it. Ultimately it is all related to her daily income. And that doesn't come back. Gone! Unless the next punter is charged double, to recover the missed money.
I also never bring much cash with me to Thailand. Just whatever baht I have left over from my previous trip. Of course, my ATM allows for $1000 withdrawal per day but that one reams me with fees and bad exchange rate. So I got a second account for traveling with no fees and great exchange rate with a $500 limit per day.
I see no reason to bring USD to Thailand. This is one of the dumbest things I have read in a while.
As most frequent travelers know criminals are not breaking into hotel rooms robing unsuspecting guests. Just not happening, so if that's your concern get over it. Again, as most frequent travelers know it is not difficult for hotel staff to gain access to the inside of your in-room safe - (bar garls CAN NOT and won't try) but again, not only not common, ALMOST non-existent in Bangkok.
There is no reason NOT to bring money to Thailand.
Conversely........
And now you have spoilt what was a good girl and probably made her hate farangs now. She will demand more money, demand money up front, not give good service etc.
This I am afraid happens all the time, whether by accident or planning and its why many complain about high prices, paying up front, poor service etc. Because the girls get screwed like this over and over and over until they are the ones who start to screw customers.
If you do not have enough money to pay for the goods do not take the girl.
HOWEVER, some key errors in your story.
You have 1500 baht.
You entered a bar, you managed to pay a bar fine and also have a drink for under 500 baht? When bar fine is 600 baht. As you claim later to have still 1000 baht over?
And no go-go girl ever agrees to go short time for 1000 baht. Thats 1500 baht minimum.
So I am guessing your story is not true. Perhaps a little story to try to ingite some flames. ? . .
...........and this is one of the smartest things I have read in a while. Well said!
And now you have spoilt what was a good girl and probably made her hate farangs now. She will demand more money, demand money up front, not give good service etc.
This I am afraid happens all the time, whether by accident or planning and its why many complain about high prices, paying up front, poor service etc. Because the girls get screwed like this over and over and over until they are the ones who start to screw customers.
If you do not have enough money to pay for the goods do not take the girl.
HOWEVER, some key errors in your story.
You have 1500 baht.
You entered a bar, you managed to pay a bar fine and also have a drink for under 500 baht? When bar fine is 600 baht. As you claim later to have still 1000 baht over?
And no go-go girl ever agrees to go short time for 1000 baht. Thats 1500 baht minimum.
So I am guessing your story is not true. Perhaps a little story to try to ingite some flames. ? . Thanks for the edit, Pro! Yeah those numbers don't add up at all. Thinking back all I remember clearly, like for sure, is handing her two five hundred baht notes. Forgive the error. In my defence I was trashed almost every day for the 30 days of my vacation and I've been back for about a month now. As for the story it is exactly what I remember happening one fine night in Bangkok. Nana was cursed for me that trip. I'm sure very few gogo girls would accept 1000 for ST, but this one didn't have to. Her mamasan accepted it for her.
And now you have spoilt what was a good girl and probably made her hate farangs now. She will demand more money, demand money up front, not give good service etc.I'll have to go with The Pro on this. Accidental or intentional, when a girl gets ripped off, she learns the lesson, and passes it on.
I'm sure very few gogo girls would accept 1000 for ST, but this one didn't have to. Her mamasan accepted it for her.Really? Sure about that? You and the mamasan might be sure, but the girl, obviously not. No problem if you'd pulled the mamasan, but I always deal directly with the provider.
New Old Guy
06-18-11, 12:31
This is one of the dumbest things I have read in a while.
As most frequent travelers know criminals are not breaking into hotel rooms robing unsuspecting guests. Just not happening, so if that's your concern get over it. Again, as most frequent travelers know it is not difficult for hotel staff to gain access to the inside of your in-room safe. (bar garls CAN NOT and won't try) but again, not only not common, ALMOST non-existent in Bangkok.
There is no reason NOT to bring money to Thailand.
Conversely. Cash gives you the very best exchange rate and some worry about keeping it safe.
No-fees ATM is a great thing but not easy to obtain.
Both are good things to have, I stand corrected, MONEY in any form or shape is good to have ;-)
NicFrenchy
06-18-11, 14:44
my ATM allows for $1000 withdrawal per day but that one reams me with fees and bad exchange rate. So I got a second account for traveling with no fees and great exchange rate with a $500 limit per day.I must be a complete mug. Whenever I travel overseas I always use my Card to withdraw money and never paid any attention to exchange rates or ATM Fees.
Are these that high hat one needs to be careful?
And no go-go girl ever agrees to go short time for 1000 baht. Thats 1500 baht minimum.I've had many who went for 1000ST, so you're wrong. Sorry.
I must be a complete mug. Whenever I travel overseas I always use my Card to withdraw money and never paid any attention to exchange rates or ATM Fees.
Are these that high hat one needs to be careful? One has to travel in style and he feels better.
I agree, I mean, how much money will one spend in ATM fees? 20/30 $, is that a killer in a few weeks?
One has to travel in style and he feels better.
I agree, I mean, how much money will one spend in ATM fees? 20/30 $, is that a killer in a few weeks? It is not the question of money. In some countries your security maybe compromised or the atm transactions duplicated or triplicated. There is absolutely no recourse generally. It is your word against theirs. They will say you did use your card more times as stated.
Although most transactions nowadays are computerized there are ways some crooks working with the bank can swindle you. Always after a overseas trip, check your credit / debit card statements carefully.
I have had credit card double charged by hotels, restaurents etc. Fortunately I had kept copies of my reciepts.
Long Time ago I reserved a room in Sevilla, Spain. Because of the EXPO taking place there they said the charges have to be fully prepaid in order to hold the reservation. I sent them the full money for 7 nights. Low and behold when I landed there with my GF there was no reservation and no record of payment. Fortunbately they had rooms but they did not honor their quote before. I had to pay extra. But since the pre-payment was dome through american express I contacted American express. It took them 6 months to return my money.
So when you are travelling in some countries better take cash and make use of credit / debit card usage minimal.
Also use ATM from reputed International banks rather than some local banks.
So she starts choking and gagging, meanwhile hot streaks of jizz are still spraying into her mouth and face.
Now the waters running, she's spitting, and rinsing her mouth out and gagging so hard it sounds like she might be puking.
She's arguing and bitching on the phone and starts crying harder and hangs up, she turns and spits some serious venom in thai for a minute then storms out the door.
After recovering from the What the f*k just happened moment I walked into the bathroom to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) and explode into laughter.
She had actually vomited from the ordeal. She puked rice from a load up the nose! HAHAHAHAHAHA! . You do sound like a really fun guy with a great sense of humor.
And we wonder why the rest of the world calls us "Ugly Americans"
It is not the question of money.
Banks. I actually never withdraw cash abroad at ATM.
I carry cash and indeed make wide use of visa, aside Thailand as it is not much of a plastic money country. Just use it at LL.
I am extensively traveling since 30 years (some good 150 days / year) and luckily I never had a problem or double charge.
Very true odds like the one you had in Sevilla might happen.
It is also true I call nearly always at same hotels.
I can monitor billings on my card very accurately as I get a txt msg anytime it is billed with an amount over 50€, and that helps, in addition to weekly mails resuming expenditures, both for the 2 company cards and the private one.
Nevertheless precautions are always needed so no unknown girl enters the room with my valuables accessible, for instance. And I am not much into freelancers (although most of them are as safe as your best friend)
It is not the question of money. In some countries your security maybe compromised or the atm transactions duplicated or triplicated. There is absolutely no recourse generally. It is your word against theirs. They will say you did use your card more times as stated.
Although most transactions nowadays are computerized there are ways some crooks working with the bank can swindle you. Always after a overseas trip, check your credit / debit card statements carefully.
I have had credit card double charged by hotels, restaurents etc. Fortunately I had kept copies of my reciepts.
Long Time ago I reserved a room in Sevilla, Spain. Because of the EXPO taking place there they said the charges have to be fully prepaid in order to hold the reservation. I sent them the full money for 7 nights. Low and behold when I landed there with my GF there was no reservation and no record of payment. Fortunbately they had rooms but they did not honor their quote before. I had to pay extra. But since the pre-payment was dome through american express I contacted American express. It took them 6 months to return my money.
So when you are travelling in some countries better take cash and make use of credit / debit card usage minimal.
Also use ATM from reputed International banks rather than some local banks. The only time I was double billed in my numerous travels was. In the USA. Should I bring cash and pay all my expenses there in cash? No, I guess.
I may also be a mug, but I don't bother, pay by card, wherever I am in the world, and accept the few tens of dollars extra as the price to pay for conveneince.
I actually never withdraw cash abroad at ATM.
I carry cash and indeed make wide use of visa, aside Thailand as it is not much of a plastic money country. Just use it at LL.
I am extensively traveling since 30 years (some good 150 days / year) and luckily I never had a problem or double charge.
Very true odds like the one you had in Sevilla might happen.
It is also true I call nearly always at same hotels.
I can monitor billings on my card very accurately as I get a txt msg anytime it is billed with an amount over 50€, and that helps, in addition to weekly mails resuming expenditures, both for the 2 company cards and the private one.
Nevertheless precautions are always needed so no unknown girl enters the room with my valuables accessible, for instance. And I am not much into freelancers (although most of them are as safe as your best friend)When I go for mongering I use online account, rechargeable card and only a little money,
Z
Mr Enternational
06-19-11, 00:11
I agree, I mean, how much money will one spend in ATM fees? 20/30 $, is that a killer in a few weeks?At $5 / pop it would be more than $20/$30 in a few weeks. Only in a couple of countries (Thailand, Philippines) do I bring cash. The rest of the planet it is ATM city like Nic said because I am going to get a better rate from my bank by using a machine than from a currency exchange place.
At $5 / pop it would be more than $20/$30 in a few weeks. Only in a couple of countries (Thailand, Philippines) do I bring cash. The rest of the planet it is ATM city like Nic said because I am going to get a better rate from my bank by using a machine than from a currency exchange place.Ok, let's count for 50$ in a few weeks (3? 5?)
I still believe that people is moaning about the ATM jsut for the sake of it.
Same as reaching some places far away to get a "better" exchange rate, another 50% in 3-4 weeks?
I feel that if 50$, shared in 3-4 weeks is a killer, one should stay home.
But of course I speak for myself! . [and I do not stay home, I can still afford that]
AlLostInSpace13
06-19-11, 03:59
I just spent a fabulous 5 days in Bangkok. I don't know where to begin, so let's start with the game plan. I do have a good job now, but these days one just can't take anything for granted, so my travel budget is as if I'm about to lose my job. I visited Soi Cowboy, but I didn't quite like the high pressure to keep buying lady drinks. Especially for girls that invited themselves to my seat. I mostly spent my time at the Beer Garden. There are some nice ladies there, but mostly are either ugly or old. The Beer Garden is like a fishing trip for local house wives. If they're lucky then get to bring home some extra green. First of all, we are truly blessed for the Thai society to allow such behavior. This doesn't happen even in Cambodia. Well, not as widespread anyway. This type of house wives only do short time and they leave around 10pm, so it's a different shift / game after 10pm. I was able to meet a few fine ladies this way. Standard price is 1, 000 baht for ST.
For Beer Garden the point of no return is around midnight when the live band call it quit. If you can't find your lady by then, move on, or return to your hotel for a nap and return after 2am for Nana parking lot. One night I overslept and arrived at the parking lot at 3am! The crowd had disappeared but the sidewalk booze bar was still open, so I sat next to a drunk expat. I just ignored him but I felt sorry for his date and the street musician that tried to make a living off this guy. I wasn't planning on sleeping so I kept drinking slowly and eventually my patience paid off. The waitress selected a girl for me and she was okay looking "6". When we walked back to my hotel I found out she's 22. A bit too young for me but I figure it wasn't going to get better. She has a lady tattooed on her back, but after chatting with her, I discovered that she was actually very sweet and innocent-ish. Standard ST pricing more or less.
One night I just about struck out everywhere else and saw this quiet lady in front of the old Starbucks coffee shop. I took her back to my hotel and then I discovered that she had a nice package hidden underneath those clothes! Nice see-cup breasts, brazilian trim pubs, and not a gram of fat. I took her number for a repeat.
Another night at 2am I was walking the beat around Nana parking lot and along the sidewalks between soi 3 & 7. Guys, do not give up. I discovered this young thing at Nana parking lot. I really do not go out looking for young ladies, but some how they just stand out from the rest. Turns out she's 22 and had 1 kid, but much to my surprise the kid was from see-section and she's got the tightest pussy I've ever sampled. I'm sure some asian men from Japan or Korea would pay top dollars for her. Because of her tightness, my 20-minute session stretched out to a full 45-minute mini porn movie. I really wish I had a video camera to capture the expression on her face. I gave her a 1, 000 baht note, plus US$20. We agreed on 1, 400 baht but I ran out of bahts. She told me she works at a convenience store as a cashier and it was her 1st time at Nana! I believe her.
I also visited Patpong, but left without trying anything.
Happy mongering,
Spaceman
I got handed the laminated card at Rainbow 1 last night. Probably because the girl I was barfining was new.
It said 600 barfine. 2000 ST. 4000 LT. I countered 1500 ST and they said OK, but wanted me to pay everything upfront. I said no and they said OK.
When we got to the ST hotel room the girl asked for payment before we started. I tried to mime "after" but we didn't understand each other. Took showers and boom boomed.
I paid her before we left and everybody was happy.
This is one of the dumbest things I have read in a while.
Conversely. No it isn't dumb, and stupid to say so. Its fine for him to not bring cash to Thailand. I don't bother either, I have a Thai bank account. I transfer to there only in large quantities. Its okay for you to use cash if you wish.
I have lost my wallet once in Thailand. Fortunately amount of cash wasn't large. With cash you are always taking some risk when travel from one place to another. If large cash should be lost, there is no way to get it back, its as simple as that.
Hotel safes are not that relevant. I don't care if my room has one or not.
In my experience exchange rates for cash are poor, particularly in my home Country. Travellers cheques get a better deal, but I don't bother with them any more.
Its very convenient to me just to get my cash from Thai AC at ATM. I don't like to carry large amounts of cash.
Its the thing I love about Bangkok.
Thai "good girls". Well, lets just say not so naughty will often use farangs as a kind of emergency piggy bank. They will work quite happily in their job getting 6K to 10K baht a month and never sleep around for money. They have boyfriends and giks but its not for money, only for food and drink and dancing etc.
But when something goes wrong and they need a sudden wedge of money you will find girls like this who venture out for 1 night or a few nights to get the needed money and then return to their normal day job and never do it again. Until next time if needs be.
I had a really lovely little thing out of Thermae last month and she was only there as one of her workmates (office) suggested she try Thermae on a Saturday night to earn some money she needed to pay her rent that month.
......ssion on her face. I gave her a 1, 000 baht note, plus US$20. We agreed on 1, 400 baht but I ran out of bahts. She told me she works at a convenience store as a cashier and it was her 1st time at Nana! I believe her.
I got handed the laminated card at Rainbow 1 last night.OMG!
Will this become the standard for nana now? Anybody else see this card.
I discovered this young thing at Nana parking lot. I really do not go out looking for young ladies, but some how they just stand out from the rest. Turns out she's 22 and had 1 kid, but much to my surprise the kid was from see-section and she's got the tightest pussy I've ever sampled. I'm sure some asian men from Japan or Korea would pay top dollars for her. Because of her tightness, my 20-minute session stretched out to a full 45-minute mini porn movie. I really wish I had a video camera to capture the expression on her face. I gave her a 1, 000 baht note, plus US$20. We agreed on 1, 400 baht but I ran out of bahts. She told me she works at a convenience store as a cashier and it was her 1st time at Nana! I believe her.
SpacemanI think you're lost in space! What you smokin?
No it isn't dumb, and stupid to say so. Its fine for him to not bring cash to Thailand. I don't bother either, I have a Thai bank account. I transfer to there only in large quantities. Its okay for you to use cash if you wish.
I have lost my wallet once in Thailand. Fortunately amount of cash wasn't large. With cash you are always taking some risk when travel from one place to another. If large cash should be lost, there is no way to get it back, its as simple as that.
Hotel safes are not that relevant. I don't care if my room has one or not.
In my experience exchange rates for cash are poor, particularly in my home Country. Travellers cheques get a better deal, but I don't bother with them any more.
Its very convenient to me just to get my cash from Thai AC at ATM. I don't like to carry large amounts of cash. Sorry but I'm missing your point. How is it a "bother"?
OK, so you lost your wallet ONCE. Do you feel that if you did not have the cash you would not have last your wallet? I don't think that's what you are saying, is it?. So isn't that kind of like saying 'I got lost driving in some city once so I'll never drive there again? '
Most people, when they lose their wallet are not concerned with the cash as its only cash but a few hours in a local motor vehicle dept. is a killer. Then the credit cards, phone numbers and all the other shit in there you never really look at but don't want to lose. In fact, why does your wallet ever come out of your briefcase when you travel at all? Stick a hundred or $200 or $500 in the right pocket (or whatever working amount you need for the next few hours or the day) and your good to go. Keep the larger amount in your briefcase (with your wallet) or your left pocket if your concerned about your briefcase also being stolen, and don't pull from the left pocket so no one sees it. What's the issue?
How many times have you been robbed traveling? Or in life in general for that matter? If it an issue with losing things or being forgetful then that a different story then all bets are off. Then yes, measures should be taken to deal with one's absentmindedness.
But people talk about carrying cash like it's a scarlett letter with big a neon 'C' on their chest!
You agree that hotels are rarely an issue so again, what's the problem?
Now, if one is frequenting less reputable establishments/areas (and your living on the edge, god bless you!) then yes I strongly agree that stricter measures must be taken (and call me and I'll join you, more fun more risk!) But if the worst that it gets is Cowboy to beergarder to NaNa to NaNa parking lot, even at 4 in the morning, I think it's a bit of irrational paranoia.
Unless of course, as I strongly suspect from all the 'extreme cheap' talk here, that in fact many of the posters just have no money. Then sure, there's nothing to carry....
Crazy4Thai
06-19-11, 11:59
I just spent a fabulous 5 days in Bangkok. Snip. . . .
Another night at 2am I was walking the beat around Nana parking lot and along the sidewalks between soi 3 & 7. Guys, do not give up. I discovered this young thing at Nana parking lot. I really do not go out looking for young ladies, but some how they just stand out from the rest. Turns out she's 22 and had 1 kid, but much to my surprise the kid was from see-section and she's got the tightest pussy I've ever sampled. I'm sure some asian men from Japan or Korea would pay top dollars for her. Because of her tightness, my 20-minute session stretched out to a full 45-minute mini porn movie. I really wish I had a video camera to capture the expression on her face. I gave her a 1, 000 baht note, plus US$20. We agreed on 1, 400 baht but I ran out of bahts. She told me she works at a convenience store as a cashier and it was her 1st time at Nana! I believe her.
I also visited Patpong, but left without trying anything.
Happy mongering,
SpacemanI enjoyed your report and you can log this as Mission Accomplished!
Never mind those who challenge. Sometimes that's all they do is challenge. Not report.
C4T
I must be a complete mug. Whenever I travel overseas I always use my Card to withdraw money and never paid any attention to exchange rates or ATM Fees.
Are these that high hat one needs to be careful? Not that they are so high, but they do keep going up (especially for US customers, given banks have been recently limited in some cc charge fees by federal regulation, so are looking for other avenues to make up the lost income). You can be charged an atm fee, an out of network fee, a foreign exchange fee all from your bank, then the local Thai bank throwing in their own charge on top of all these (what is it, 500 baht seems excessive, but rings a bell).
Anyway, if you've got a low limit on your atm card, it can be costly. Better to up the limit while you're traveling, and make the occasional large withdrawal, keeping the money, as Rjsss212 says, in a "safe" wallet, while you have your "limited cash" wallet in your pocket.
I appreciate the atm's convenience, the 'wall that spits money', I just like to keep the overhead charges as low as possible as I think banks are the scum from hell.
OMG!
Will this become the standard for nana now? Anybody else see this card. Yep.
As I mentioned in a report a couple of months ago, waitresses of NEP bars have this card on the back of their "I'd" tag showing BF / ST / LT price list.
Smart to move to make it look like a non negotiable official price list.
Works for the newcomers as they think this is the proper price.
Maybe even better, as they see an official price so they do not feel they are cheated and that it is a legitimate price level.
Only experienced monger will not be ready to pay that, but it is a minority and for the girls worth the effort to try.
The regular customers of a bar or of a BG will as well pay less, but as regular they provide repeated business, more than welcome.
A newcomer who will negotiate and get 100baht discount will feel super happy to have knocked the price down!
Just like a tricked taxi meter. If you do not know the rate from BKK to Sukh and the meter shows 700 you are happy to pay that, feeling to have escaped a scam, LOL
Not that they are so high, but they do keep going up (especially for US customers, given banks have been recently limited in some cc charge fees by federal regulation, so are looking for other avenues to make up the lost income). You can be charged an atm fee, an out of network fee, a foreign exchange fee all from your bank, then the local Thai bank throwing in their own charge on top of all these (what is it. 500 baht seems excessive, but rings a bell).
Anyway, if you've got a low limit on your atm card, it can be costly. Better to up the limit while you're traveling, and make the occasional large withdrawal, keeping the money, as Rjsss212 says, in a "safe" wallet, while you have your "limited cash" wallet in your pocket.
I appreciate the atm's convenience, the 'wall that spits money', I just like to keep the overhead charges as low as possible as I think banks are the scum from hell.Help me understand. Cash exchange places always have unfavorable exchange rates compared to the interbank transfer rates on ATM and credit cards. The ATM fee is less than the exchange rate rip off from the cash exchange places, not to mention the fee from the cash exchange places on top.
I don't get what the debate is. When I do the math, the ATM wins and I walk away from the cash exchange places every time.
(what is it, 500 baht seems excessive, but rings a bell).Nope 150 baht
Mr Enternational
06-20-11, 05:32
Help me understand. Cash exchange places always have unfavorable exchange rates compared to the interbank transfer rates on ATM and credit cards. The ATM fee is less than the exchange rate rip off from the cash exchange places, not to mention the fee from the cash exchange places on top.
I don't get what the debate is. When I do the math, the ATM wins and I walk away from the cash exchange places every time. As I said before, your argument is valid in most other countries, however Thailand is one of the few places it is not. In Thailand, you get a better rate from the exchange places and they do not charge fees on top. If you use your ATM card then you automatically have to pay 150 baht (US$5). Plus as 11Bravo said,"You can be charged an atm fee, an out of network fee, a foreign exchange fee all from your bank."
For example, http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert/?Amount=1&From=USD&To=THB Shows US$1=30.57 THB at the moment. I just came from Second Road here in Pattaya and the exchange places are showing US$1=30.55 THB.
If I change US$100 at an exchange place I am going to get 3055 THB into my pocket.
If I use the ATM to draw out 3055 THB, out of my account is going to come 3055 THB (withdrawl amount) + 150 THB (Thai Bank Fee) + 30.55 THB (1%: my USA bank's fee for currency exchange) + 46 THB (US$1.50 my bank charges for using out of network ATMs) = 3281 THB or US$ 107.19
As I said before, your argument is valid in most other countries, however Thailand is one of the few places it is not. In Thailand, you get a better rate from the exchange places and they do not charge fees on top. If you use your ATM card then you automatically have to pay 150 baht (US$5). Plus as 11Bravo said,"You can be charged an atm fee, an out of network fee, a foreign exchange fee all from your bank."
For example,
http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert/?Amount=1&From=USD&To=THB
Shows US$1=30. 57 THB at the moment. I just came from Second Road here in Pattaya and the exchange places are showing US$1=30. 55 THB.
If I change US$100 at an exchange place I am going to get 3055 THB into my pocket.
If I use the ATM to draw out 3055 THB, out of my account is going to come 3055 THB (withdrawl amount) + 150 THB (Thai Bank Fee) + 30. 55 THB (1%: my USA bank's fee for currency exchange) + 46 THB (US$1. 50 my bank charges for using out of network ATMs) = 3281 THB or US$ 107. 19Thanks for the clarification. It would seem that the enterprising brother could start a forex cash op and make a killing, especially on Sukhumvit in the lower Soi. I'll use cash next time through.
Cheers
Sorry but I'm missing your point. How is it a "bother"?Did not say anything was "a bother".
"Don't bother" simply means don't make the effort to do something (more than one meaning). I often stay in Hotel room that has a safe but I don't usually use it. I don't feel stuff in my Hotel is particularly unsafe. I don't take risky girls to my room and leave them unsupervised. My most imporntant / valuable luggage is my passport, and notebook and phone comes 2nd and 3rd. Have no interest in very expensive paraphernalia.
OK, so you lost your wallet ONCE. Do you feel that if you did not have the cash you would not have last your wallet? I don't think that's what you are saying, is it?. So isn't that kind of like saying 'I got lost driving in some city once so I'll never drive there again? 'Your analogy is not at all relevant.
I lost my wallet once and never have been robbed. No it doesn't mean I will never carry a wallet again. It simply means its wise to not carry large amounts of cash with you in your wallet.
Most people, when they lose their wallet are not concerned with the cash as its only cash but a few hours in a local motor vehicle dept. Is a killer. Then the credit cards, phone numbers and all the other shit in there you never really look at but don't want to lose. In fact, why does your wallet ever come out of your briefcase when you travel at all? Stick a hundred or $200 or $500 in the right pocket (or whatever working amount you need for the next few hours or the day) and your good to go. Keep the larger amount in your briefcase (with your wallet) or your left pocket if your concerned about your briefcase also being stolen, and don't pull from the left pocket so no one sees it. What's the issue?
How many times have you been robbed traveling? Or in life in general for that matter? If it an issue with losing things or being forgetful then that a different story then all bets are off. Then yes, measures should be taken to deal with one's absentmindedness. Yes I am absent minded. That's how I lost my wallet. I have been lucky enough not to get robbed, but have heard numerous stories of people robbed or their belongings stolen from tour buses, or bags snatched by motorcycle thieves. So I wouldn't take the risk to carry a large amount of cash, beyond what can afford to loose, whether in briefcase or whatever.
Unless of course, as I strongly suspect from all the 'extreme cheap' talk here, that in fact many of the posters just have no money. Then sure, there's nothing to carry....Drifting off topic, but sure I agree that many arguments seemed to relate to penny pinching.
For me I don't see the need to travel with lots of cash with me, so I don't.
I can afford transfer fees and ATM fees when hit with them.
As I said before, your argument is valid in most other countries, however Thailand is one of the few places it is not. In Thailand, you get a better rate from the exchange places and they do not charge fees on top. If you use your ATM card then you automatically have to pay 150 baht (US$5). Plus as 11Bravo said,"You can be charged an atm fee, an out of network fee, a foreign exchange fee all from your bank."
For example,
http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert/?Amount=1&From=USD&To=THB
Shows US$1=30. 57 THB at the moment. I just came from Second Road here in Pattaya and the exchange places are showing US$1=30. 55 THB.
If I change US$100 at an exchange place I am going to get 3055 THB into my pocket.
If I use the ATM to draw out 3055 THB, out of my account is going to come 3055 THB (withdrawl amount) + 150 THB (Thai Bank Fee) + 30. 55 THB (1%: my USA bank's fee for currency exchange) + 46 THB (US$1. 50 my bank charges for using out of network ATMs) = 3281 THB or US$ 107. 19If you're from Germany, you can get a DKB Visa Card, you can withdraw any amount with absolutely no additional cost, the rate is always better than what you get at the exchange places.
GentleBoner
06-20-11, 08:27
If you're from Germany, you can get a DKB Visa Card, you can withdraw any amount with absolutely no additional cost, the rate is always better than what you get at the exchange places.There are American cards that do the same thing.
Carrying a lot of cash around when you travel is just stupid.
GentleBoner
06-20-11, 08:31
OMG!
Will this become the standard for nana now? Anybody else see this card.I think they just bring the card out if the girl is brand new and doesn't know how to negotiate yet or doesn't know how to say "2000 baht" in English.
Slightly incorrect.
If you withdraw from ATM you get "TT" rates, if you exchange cash you get cash rate (Buy Note)
For example use this as a guide :
http://www.krungsri.com/en/foreign-exchange-rates.aspx
Xe. Com shows the mid rates and not cash or TT (ATM) rates.
If you want to find which ATM's are giving the best rate then use the link below and change the currency into whichever you want and change "Currency Type" into TT. Then do search rates and it will show which ATM is givng the best rate. :
http://bankexchangerates.daytodaydata.net/default.aspx
As I said before, your argument is valid in most other countries, however Thailand is one of the few places it is not. In Thailand, you get a better rate from the exchange places and they do not charge fees on top. If you use your ATM card then you automatically have to pay 150 baht (US$5). Plus as 11Bravo said,"You can be charged an atm fee, an out of network fee, a foreign exchange fee all from your bank."
For example,
http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert/?Amount=1&From=USD&To=THB
Shows US$1=30. 57 THB at the moment. I just came from Second Road here in Pattaya and the exchange places are showing US$1=30. 55 THB.
If I change US$100 at an exchange place I am going to get 3055 THB into my pocket.
If I use the ATM to draw out 3055 THB, out of my account is going to come 3055 THB (withdrawl amount) + 150 THB (Thai Bank Fee) + 30. 55 THB (1%: my USA bank's fee for currency exchange) + 46 THB (US$1. 50 my bank charges for using out of network ATMs) = 3281 THB or US$ 107. 19
If you really want to avoid card fees you could always bring your cash and put it on a thai bank account after your arrival. So you have both the lack of international fees and the security of a card instead of cash.
If I use the ATM to draw out 3055 THB, out of my account is going to come 3055 THB (withdrawl amount) + 150 THB (Thai Bank Fee) + 30.55 THB (1%: my USA bank's fee for currency exchange) + 46 THB (US$1.50 my bank charges for using out of network ATMs) = 3281 THB or US$ 107.19It is usually unwise to exchange into a foriegn currency in your home country as they like to rip off. Exchange rates are better in Thailand.
Usually I find that exchange rates are better for electronic funds transfer (or Travellers Cheques) than cash exchange in Thailand by about 1% (see various web sites). So I transfer in my home country's currency to Thai Bank Account, not allowing the home bank to make the exchange at a poor rate. The Thai bank makes the exchange at a good rate and charges a nominal fee of perhaps 100 Baht.
Suppose I send $4000 to Thailand Acct to last for a while. I believe I save approx. $40 over a cash exchange and even though I might have to pay a transfer fee of $20, I am still slightly better off. This method works because I don't bother to transfer amounts too small that would waste Xfer fees, unless its an emergency.
Perhaps I am not getting absolute best possible exchange rate all the time, from searching from one place to another, but I can't be bothered to go searching for top exchange rate unless its going to be a saving of at least $30 (and Ha Ha that just ain't going to happen). I would be better off spending my time working and earning money, rather than searching for the best place.
Obviously everyone has different priorities. My priority is to get more of my time when not at home in Thailand to enjoy. Its convenient to be easy to get money from any Thai ATMs, but pull enough at a time to not have to visit ATM too often. I have never been pick-pocketed. Hell, I have great trouble to get wallet out of front pocket myself, so wouldn't be real easy. Its only my own carelessness to worry about. I find that's what causes me to lose things in Thailand on occasions.
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