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Yes they do, especially if you treat them right and get them on the right night or in the right moment. Not worth arguing over, you keep paying 3-4000, we will keep paying 1-2000. At 15 times out a month, that amount in extra baht goes an incredibly long way. It astounds me that guys are that naive that they think they actually get better service by paying more. Then again, there's a sucker born every minute.Right night of the month. IOW on their day off at the mall, or "that time of the month" when they are in a mood.
Right moment. IOW drunk or high out of their mind. That should be fun in the sack.
Not worth arguing over. Yet you keep repeating yourself, without addressing points already made.
Extra baht goes a long way. Yeah, no need to waste time or effort talking to the girl or playing the game or games with her, which is another kind of payment, so I'm happy to pay a bit more. But keep doing it your way, if that makes you happy.
Hot chicks from Rainbow 4 LT for 1000 baht? This whole discussion is rather useless without pics, receipts & videotape. By hot do you mean the photo thread kind of hot, which is at best average, or a truly smoking stunner.
Also, lets not forget adding other costs to the alleged story of 1000 Baht, besides all your hard work sharking in bars for hours, IOW drinks and bar fines.
BTW, personally, I've picked up freelancers for 1000 ST off the street that were hotter than anything I've seen in Rainbow 4. With no 600 baht BFs or drinks involved, of course.
Member #4387
06-21-12, 02:01
Did my arriving 16. 6 and leaving 20. 6 trip to Bangkok. Have some regulars I usualy meet but this time I left them out of it and did an all freelance long weekend except from 1 lady (who I met in Novotel Airport hotel my last day Tuesday 19. 6 as my flight to Oslo departed at 0050am Wednesday 20. 6 I have met her a few times before actually and never had her in the sack but telling her I just had a few hours in BKK before leaving realy did the trick.
Arrival 16. 6 at 06:15am. I was horny as hell as I was lucky to sit next to a stunning girl, called Natkanda, on my 11hrs flight from Oslo to Bangkok. We had a good chat and she could tell me she had been on a Visa run in Norway for almost 3 months. Now she was heading back and it seems she was ready for new adventures. The guy she been visiting in Norway she claimed was now going to sponsor her with 40000Bht per months so she could leave her work and she smiled. She was actually going to her parents place near Udon Thani for a few days before heading back to work in Phuket so now meeting for me and her. I got her contact details if I ever come to the Phuket area so I guess her sponsor was not so lucky after all.
Checking in to Grand President soi 11 around 7:30. Am and had a shower and a few hours of sleep. Went for a walk.
Girl 1. 16. 6 around 11am.
Street walker called herself Boi (picked up from across the street from Landmark and went to my hotel)
Asked for 1000bht.
25 years old. 160cm. 6 in looks (slim but firm body small tits but cute face) and 7 in performance.
Did everything without complaints and gave good service in general.
Fair English.
Added 500bht because she did Anal as well and CIF.
1 pop and one great and long lasting BBBJ.
Girl 2 16/17. 6 (met her around 11pm and we head back to hotel around 4am)
Freelance called herself Bunny met her in Climax. Also ran into one of my regulars and she tried to create a drama saying she lost face and all that BS. But saved the situation with assistance from some management present.
No price discussed.
23years old. 155cm. 8 in looks (very slim and sexy thing, nice boobs and a horny look) and 8 in performance.
Gave me a wild ride in every thinkable position and very into it and very wet.
Decent English.
No anal (but I did not ask so don't know if she will go through with it or not)
Stayed for around 10hrs then I had other plans (at least I told her so)
Many pops and finished twice. Could finish where I wanted on / in her body (up to me). Nice BJ as well.
Did not ask for money as she claimed she was grateful for me buying some bottles of vodka / whiskey to her friends (and also we drank out of it of course)
I promised I would see her another time and I will because she was a great fuck (she had what we call pussy control)
Girl 3 17. 6 (around 5pm. 8pm)
Girl called Nan met at Beergarden. Just a little talk one beer and head for my hotel.
No price discussed.
32years old according to her I'd, around 150cm. 6 in looks and 7 in performance.
Fair English.
Almost the best BBBJ I ever had and I came in her mouth (even not so much sperm as I was a bit dry from the performance earlier that day). But FS not so great but she did anal so all in all 7. Very cute in face but had some stretches from her birth so 6 in looks.
I gave her 2000bht.
Girl 4 17/18. 6 (from around 11 pm and went back to hotel around 3-4am)
Girl called herself Nat. Met her in Spasso.
No price discussed.
33years old. 170cm. 8 in looks and 9 in performance (10 should be high)
A stunner. Nothing to complain about. Fun to be with, spoke great English, nice silicon boobs and ass.
Even had her own Honda so I saved cabfare, hehe.
She did anal and seem to love it as well (again maby good acting) and she was screaming so I almost got afraid.
Had many pops and nice blowjobs but not so many ejaculations as understandable.
She stayed until I had other plans around 4pm.
Gave her 5000bht.
Girl 5 18/19. 6 (the usual time frame)
Girl called herself Kig. Met her in Mix Club.
No price discussed. Ran into one other regular but avoided a nasty situation as she knows I am butterflying a bit.
28years. 165cm. 6/5 (looks / performance). She looked maybe as an 7 in the "dark" but as lights came on not to special.
Not so much English so communication difficult.
All in all an OK choice but nothing more. Did the usual stuff but I think because communication not so good it affected her performance and I was tired and would also save my self to later the same day.
She went around 10 when we woke up.
I gave her 2000bht.
Girl 6 19. 6 (last day from 1pm. 10pm)
Thawanrat is her name. 33 years. 173cm. Arrived to my new hotel, Novotel airport. She lives with her family in the outskirts of Bangkok (not so far from airport) and she does not like to drive into the Bangkok traffic.
We have met on several occasions on dates before (met her in Dia long time ago) but never did any thing but kissing so far. Now I knew it was time and so did she because we talked about this for long time now. Had to lie a bit to her about why I was in BKK "just for a few hours". She stayed until I had to leave for checking in. And when I tried to give her a money gift she reacted and would not accept anything like this. I know her parents are doctors and she lives with them so she is probably well off I guess. My bad.
No points because this could be something more as she has many qualities I like in a woman for maybe a relationship. Who knows.
But she is all good girl and as a beginning the sex was great but also up for improvement.
Nice to arrive 20. 6 in Norway at 7am and straight for work. I had a shower before boarding but felt I smelled pussy all over all day. Nice weekend though.
Joe Looking
06-21-12, 03:44
Genereally speaking- no you can't get the price you want.Okay, whatever price you want within reason. Obviously you will probably never find a chick to go for 30; however, the majority of the chicks (unless they spend a ton on clothes, shoes, trinkets.) are not spending over 1500 / week. That said, offering a woman 1000-2000 for LT is more than within reason.
The problem with most men is that they do not try to negotiate, the woman says a price and their nose is so wide open they just go along with it. Many men also save the whole year to go to LOS for 1-2 weeks so don't care about money and others compare price to what it would cost back home not what it should be in SEA.
Where do these goofballs get their prices from=mr ententional?
Isn't 1500-2ooo more appro. For short time.
Do you guys go for girls with no tits? Black and anorexic? Old with 5 kids? Or just the bottom of the barrel types?Unless I'm going to some esoteric brothel for the adventure or am really hard up I never pay to fuck a chick I am not attracted to on some level.
No 1500-2000 is not appropriate for ST IMO. Perhaps back when ST meant she stays until you tell her to leave as long as you let her go early enough to get a taxi home or to get home safely, that would have been reasonable. Now ST is generally one shot and many girls who want as many ST customers as possible want you to be done in 15-20 minutes. Here's another way to look at it, compare the 1500-2000 you pay for ST to the 300-700 my friend pays for ST for girls at massage parlors who to his tastes are just as attractive as go-go girls. He's also not getting the rush job that many ST go-go customers get because when he goes to a massage place to fuck if it does happen it happens within the first 15 minutes giving him 45 minutes to do the deed, it's not happening and just enjoys the massage. For those of you in disbelief, he reported to me that all of his Thai friends (he is a black guy) get the same prices.
So for hot girls in the popular gogos (bacarra, the rainbows) you're saying you can get 2K LT? I bet that they won't go below 3K. I might give it a shot though, since I'm such a nice guy, wear clean underwear, and shower twice a day.I'm not saying I could at those particular places, but I am definitely the guy who would try. I've also become disciplined enough that most times I can walk away if I don't get the price I want. Hot is also pretty subjective.
You also have to keep in mind that even at the most popular places not everyone is constantly or even regularly bar fined. Der Tourist mentioned a couple of girls who seemed to always get bar fined early by Japanese guys. Yes, these types may be hard to negotiate with (unless you catch them on a night when they want something different) but the overly in demand girls can also tend to be the worst performers because many men fuck them for their looks and not their performance.
Here's some food for thought. If every man who went to Soi Cowboy and Nana agreed to offer and only pay 200 BF + 700 ST and 400 BF + 1200 LT, how long do you think it would take the women to adjust to the prices. I would guess one week because for many of them it is their job, not just a way to supplement income, and making 700-2000 / day is still better than they would get otherwise. The women quote the prices they quote because history has shown that they can find men willing to pay those prices. Guys like me pay less because we are willing to walk away, are more conscious about the money and perhaps are able to, on some subconscious level, spot the ones who are willing to negotiate.
I once met a guy who be it a go-go, beer bar or night club has no problem getting women for free or rock bottom prices (read as enough to send home or buy food for a few days). His secret was that not only did he speak Thai very well, but he understood how to make himself more appealing to Thai women. He was able to joke with them, in Thai, and quickly build up attraction and rapport. He also had the uncanny ability to recognize who was into him or just fun to be around and who was a clinger on. He could also get the ones who were just fun to talk him up to the ones who were interested which he said helped make things much easier. Dude even got me laid and when I asked the girl how much the next day all she said was can we go get a massage.
Many of the strategies that work for me and other guys to get great deals do not work in high volume places. However, the inefficacy of the strategy has more to do with the attitudes of the women than it does the low prices that result from the strategy. There are tons of hot chicks working at bars and go-gos who would happily fuck the same guy every night for a week if all he did was pay the bar fine, her rent for the month and give some money for food because it gives her the sense of consistency and being taken care of that many women want. On the flip side, there are women who just want money money money and for them they will only go with the highest paying customer who makes them work the least.
Okay, whatever price you want within reason. Obviously you will probably never find a chick to go for 30; however, the majority of the chicks (unless they spend a ton on clothes, shoes, trinkets.) are not spending over 1500 / week. That said, offering a woman 1000-2000 for LT is more than within reason.
The problem with most men is that they do not try to negotiate, the woman says a price and their nose is so wide open they just go along with it. Many men also save the whole year to go to LOS for 1-2 weeks so don't care about money and others compare price to what it would cost back home not what it should be in SEA.
Unless I'm going to some esoteric brothel for the adventure or am really hard up I never pay to fuck a chick I am not attracted to on some level.
No 1500-2000 is not appropriate for ST IMO...Would be very interested in which "massage place" you can get laid for 300-700 baht. I have been coming here for over 20 years and lived here for the past 10 and frequent oilies on a regular basis. There is a standard 500/1000/1500 pricing structure for HJ / BJ / FS. Cheap sex is available in Thailand but in a one off situation you are talking late night desperation with a provider that desperately needs whatever coin she get her hands on and so you are probably in the equivalent of crack working girl territory. The girlfriend types are out there but if they are attractive you will usually end up paying one way or another. It always comes back to the money honey.
Pointy Stick
06-21-12, 06:45
Sing a pore guys are paying way more than 2000 long time rates.
Again how is 2k justified long time when short time is 2k? You guys must like ugly wimmin. LOL.That's a pretty good deal for about 3 minutes of pumping! I can see why girls would love the Singapore guys.
Okay, whatever price you want within reason.I think that we also need to separte the guy who has saved money for a mongering vacation in Thailand and wants to get the best out of the days he spends there, rather than out of the money he spends, from the guys who either live there (expatriates) or go very often for various reasons (business, lay-over, happily and wealthy retired who can spend few weeks every 3-4 months). The former will not care much if spending 1000 or 2000. It is still within his reasonable budget (unless he is a hardened heap charlie and some are only for the reason of bargaining rather than saving, let's face it). Let's say he pays the double of whatever is the rate, for 1 week or 10 days. It is not going to be a killer for his wallet. He will have peace of mind, happy to monger and add more girls to his portfolio, He also cannot afford to keep on walking away because of the price. Hey, it is his holiday, it is his bunch of days. Any day / night he "misses", it is one less he will take a memory back home. Travelled all the way (air ticket, lodging, food, ie fix costs) and then not score to save what? 5000b? 10, 000b? These guys are also those either willing to score every night or even multiple time a day (then the unit price factor might have some influence, I agree) No way he is going to think too much about the local price level. He will reckonthat 2000b. Is a good bargain 8for him, his budget and comaprison level, that is also why he goes to Thailand and doesn't monger at home, far more expensive and less fun). Goes to Thailand once a year for 10 days. Those 10 days will be intense for him. But maybe the only 10 days of the year. So why to bother for an extra cost of 10000b? Can you blame him? Different story is the long term or repeated resident. Goes out one night, looks around. Doesn't find anything at his wallet level, walks away, maybe with a drink in his memory, few hours spent out of home / room, mission nearly achieved. On to th enext time, maybe the night after, maybe 3-4 nights after. Time and chances are on his side. Apart few guys, there is no need to score every single night out, every single night of the week (can he also score? Where is going to end this way? A sex pscho?). So he is the one saying, either I get her at 1000 or no way. He doesn't care if he doesn't get her. There will be another time he can get one and he'll be happy. So different stories for different guys and one cannot blame one's behaviour till he fits in his shoes (and even then.). Each one his own. Since the offer and demand are so wide and broad I am not so sure prices can be affected iether way. There might be areas where a (tourist) price might take the lead. Well, the "experts" will stay away from those areas. Be it. And let the tourist enjoy his 10 days break at "double" price, being this still a fraction of what he pays at home (and not accounting the different approach to p4p existing in SEA, mixed with the general level of providers).
Here's some food for thought. If every man who went to Soi Cowboy and Nana agreed to offer and only pay 200 BF + 700 ST and 400 BF + 1200 LT, how long do you think it would take the women to adjust to the prices. I would guess one week because for many of them it is their job, not just a way to supplement income, and making 700-2000 / day is still better than they would get otherwise. The women quote the prices they quote because history has shown that they can find men willing to pay those prices. Guys like me pay less because we are willing to walk away, are more conscious about the money and perhaps are able to, on some subconscious level, spot the ones who are willing to negotiate.That is exactly the point quite a few of us are trying to make. It is the guys that set the tone for the market.
Tony Hoeprano
06-21-12, 12:31
Here's some food for thought. If every man who went to Soi Cowboy and Nana agreed to offer and only pay 200 BF + 700 ST and 400 BF + 1200 LT, how long do you think it would take the women to adjust to the prices. I would guess one week because for many of them it is their job, not just a way to supplement income,
The only problem with that is the hot ones would either quit or they would just hold out until the demand became too great, which it would. Hot girls know their worth, they're not stupid. Why should a 9-10 be willing to accept the same rate a mediocre girl? That would be like asking Drew Brees to accept the same pay as his backup. Life ain't fair pal.
The only problem with that is the hot ones would either quit or they would just hold out until the demand became too great, which it would. Hot girls know their worth, they're not stupid. Why should a 9-10 be willing to accept the same rate a mediocre girl? That would be like asking Drew Brees to accept the same pay as his backup. Life ain't fair pal.Back in the Big Mango, first time mongering here in a couple of years (been to Patts twice since then). Stopped by a Nana Plaza bar this early afternoon. Chatted with a lovely girl from the south of the country. 25, 1.5 year old son with AWOL Thai husband, the usual shit LOS story. Now this girl was no stunner (a lovely smile, but the big-ish nose, not terribly dark, but we're talking 6, 7 to be very generous. Her winning attitude and somewhat decent English (and even more than that, a willingness to learn new phrases rather than the rolling of the eyes blah-blah-blah) almost hooked me for a quickie. But. She wanted 2000 baht ST with a 500 barfine. Seriously.
Well, this evening I'm going to try for the reunion sex with the Dollhouse dancer. I had visited the club right before closing last night (this morning) and she was not be found. I asked around (now this would have been 2:30 a. M.) and the manager said she was on holiday but that she would call her. So I chatted briefly on the phone (was so loud I couldn't tell what was what conversation-wise). The idea was that she was going to show if I waited a few minutes. Fine. I spent a few enjoyable minutes checking out the shaved snatch of one of her colleagues (there are a couple who were around for the late shift who would def be barfinable). Sooooo I was eventually led outside to met my friend. Was not the girl I was expecting.
At this time I did not have a SIM for my phone and did not want to rouse the real girl at that hour anyhow. But I was suspicious because some of the girls at the Dollhouse had claimed my friend had not worked there for a while. Still, I couldn't see that the girl would just try to scam me out of a measly barfine.
Finally got a call back today. (In the meantime, I had adjusted nicely to the concept of a night in Soi Cowboy for shopping, and trust me, I'm not going to get terribly wrapped up in this, as I've already spent enough mental energy even trying to set something up.) But OK. She sounds happy enough that I'm going to show up in the club. (This will come after a visit to Suzie Wong's and another bar or so.) Asked if I was going to barfine her. Maybe, I said. I'll see what she's up to attitude-wise.
Needless to say, BKK is such an improvement over HK, have to agree with NicFrenchy. Terminal 21 smokes away any of the shitty, overpriced malls in Hong Kong (which is a place where NOTHING is a value, clothing is triple the cost it should be). Nice to get some decent food, too. (Is there any cuisine, outside of dimsum, that the Cantonese have not fucked up?) And while I'm ripping on the Chinese brothers, I've got to say the mainlanders are totally making the HKG-BKK Emirates flight a fucking bloody hell. One porkbellied, Mao-haired twywatface kept invading my personal space. Imagine the smell of rotted Hickory Farms sausage and you could imagine what I had to deal with. And the lineup to board, gawd, it was as if those fuckers had all licked ashtrays before hopping in the queue. I used to be very tolerant of those people, now they are cementing a position as the most awful travelers on the planet. Thanks for that, guys. Let's just hope they're not clogging the gogos.
Aw, and forgot to report on what I did after leaving the Dollhouse emptyhanded last night. I got as far as one of the makeshift bars right at the corner where you cross the street to head to Nana. Two cute girls and a LB (hilarious that one drunk fellow chatted h / her up, apparently unawares, but you never know maybe that's the goat's thing. Bought drinks for the real girls (denied the pouty LB, ain't going there pal). One, named Wa, was from Myanmar, the other from Isaan, where else. Pung was her name. 22, great face, English poor. Said that it was her first week on the job (who knows).
Decided on 1500 ST with a 500 barfine. She started at 2000. Again, sticker shock. Shoulda held out for 1000, sorry.
Now here's the thing: Most of these girls are bargirls and not dancers for a reason. Yes, some might be too modest to shake ass, but generally it is because the body is lacking.
Back in the room, I was taken in by the girl's cleancut face, fabulous smile, heartwarming. But the sagging boobs and wrinkly nipples (once erect they took a decent form. And that C-section scar was total malpractice shit. On top of that was a rash on her ass. Oh fer gawd's sake. Just broke my heart to see. Sad.
But I'm a pussy man and there I was not disappointed. She just loved DATY, loved loved it loved it, and I was happy to oblige, though it took longer for her to come than I really wanted at that hour. I aim to please, to my discredit. For her part, the blowjob was lackluster. Finished in doggie. She was out of there ST. (Now why is it that some Thai guy is fucking calling her at 5 a. M. I'm going to put a cellphone ban in effect. Frankly, if we could all get together on that point, so sick of these chicks with those devices glued to their little heads. I'd join the union.)
That is exactly the point quite a few of us are trying to make. It is the guys that set the tone for the market.Keep Dreaming. Its never going to happen. Farangs are not the only mongerers. There always will be people willing to step in and pay the price. Everybody wants to make the money while they can.
The only problem with that is the hot ones would either quit or they would just hold out until the demand became too great, which it would. Hot girls know their worth, they're not stupid. Why should a 9-10 be willing to accept the same rate a mediocre girl? That would be like asking Drew Brees to accept the same pay as his backup. Life ain't fair pal.Not true pal. If folks paid the same, the girls would go. They have to make money. During the depths of low season, even the most stunning girl has to make money. And when she needs money she will go for 1500. In the dark, all cats are gray. They won't quit, because most have no other skills.
Not true pal.It is difficult to put this small ISG community together on a pricing issue and you think it is ever be possible to just communicate, to the whole mongering population heading to or staying in Thailand to agree on ONE pricing. I agree with "Noclew", with all respect for each one's opinion as we are not here to fight for opinions but to share them.
In the dark, all cats are gray.Right. And attempting to set a standard price for their services is like trying to herd cats.
Tony Hoeprano
06-22-12, 00:19
Actually I don't pay anything. LOL. Agogos are a poor value for the money.
It justv amazes me to think guys think they are getting pretty girls for 1000. Just look at the girls going to eat pancakes every morning-the girls are butt freaking ugly. LOL.Where do you get your girls or did you hop on the free bandwagon?
LittleBigMan
06-22-12, 00:39
Right. And attempting to set a standard price for their services is like trying to herd cats.You got that right pops!
The price conversation has been going on year after year! Hell if ever a Thread should be created it should be this " The Price Debate "
Personally I don't give a flying fuck what anyone pays! I'm not rich I'm not price! I sometimes am cheap and sometimes I overpay! Sometimes I buy drinks and sometimes I just look! That is my choice and I suggest no matter how good you argurment might be I say step back and stop trying to convince others or CONTROL them to think your way because it can't be achieved!
It will never happen and if you guys want to continue be my guess. But if not me someone will come along after the discussion and overpay or underpay!
LBM
So agreed to meet Am, gogo dancer from Dollhouse, last night at the club in Soi Cowboy. About 9 dropped in to Suzie wong's a favorite. They had about 12-18 girls, many cute ones, few punters at that hour. Couple honeys made eye contact and smiled. Most others indifferent. Was told by a mommy that the price is 2K ST and 4K LT with 600 baht barfine. That 4K figure is distressing, but based on a previous experience there a couple years ago you wouldn't want to do a LT bf with them anyhow; pain in the ass since they exist to fuck and nothing else.
Popped over to Baccara. Total fucking Nip city, and if I offend, well I am happy for that. The place was packed to the gills with Japs, so I guess the energy crisis / nuclear disaster / tsunami hasn't hurt them too much. Guess since they make great shit they will always be in good shape, particularly with the absurd strenght of the yen, which is causing more to induce headaches on the pricing front in LOS than any "overpaying" farang, believe me. And you can be sure those other barkeeps are checking in to see how well Baccara is doing. Expect more.
So then I drop in to the Dollhouse and Am is not to be seen. I phone her and she says she's on her way. In the meantime, I am sitting upstairs at a table below a gyratin, young nude thing with the most splendid ass. Cute as hell (she's friendly enough). All of the girls are shaved in this club. Not a lot of girls seem to be getting taken here. A few minutes later Ame arrives in her street dress. Instant smile, sweet. I remember immediately why it was that I liked her so much two years ago, when I did a LT session followed by a day trip. We chat and she says that she works in the club on the weekends. Is taking computer science uni classes (though it really sounds fucked up: ah, she can do the work at her pace, online, whatever. Total diploma mills bullshit that will get her nowhere but poorer). I comment that I am pleased that she's getting it together, and what with the two farangs (one UK, one American) who are sponsors, and the invitation to visit USA with her kid. Of course she doesn't love either guy (ah, wink wink, but maybe you, honey are the one). The girl totally knows how to milk the system, but somehow is not smart enough to follow up and seal the deal. Bottom line is that she probably really does like her life in the bars, truth be told.
So we chat and I buy 1000 baht worth of drinks (3 Singa for me. 3 ladydrinks for Am and one drink for one of the managers who has latched on; I shoulda at least saved the 170 by denying that). So I'm basically doing this for her to keep face. We exit about 11 pm to walk to my hotel, nearby. Our plan was LT with an outing on Friday, her return to the bar in the early evening.
In the room we chat, have a very nice sex session. God, her look of ecstacy while she rides my face really brought back great memories. Go through the positions and I finish mish (condom on). I tell her the next session that I'm going to come in her mouth and face. That was fine by her.
And yet. Late at night she tells me that she must leave in the morning to get her son ready for school. I know this to be total bullshit because her FB comments mention that she misses her son. (now don't get me going on that, I have only 3 P4P girls, ones who can pass for being not, on FB, but anyhow). Sure enough she wakes up at 8, not 7 as she professed to need to be back. She rebuffs the sex session, showers, returns (I am in bed) full dressed and says the immortal words of the Thai hooker: "You give me money."
I was unhappy as she was going to return. So she thinks I'm going to run out. Fair enough. I say "how much?"
Angrily, she replies (with that look of nastiness on her face) : "You know how much."
Me, not wanting to hear that the dollhouse also charges 4K LT, I say "No, I don't know how much"
"Tree tousand long time"
Me: "But honey, I didn't get long time. You didn't give me sex in the morning."
"But I sleep with you. OK (more angrily). Up to you."
I hand her 2K.
We both agree that we are both unhappy and that the day outing was in peril. (Well, of course I had no intention of wasting any more time with such a creature.)
At this point I say: "OK, I am sorry to remind you that I am also the guy who sent you 200 US dollars. Just to remind you who I am, in case you have forgotten."
Well folks, the moral of the story is do not expect gratitude, which is all I expected out of the deal. Know the girl needed the money. Next time, donations will be funneled through the Red Cross.
Now it's Pattaya time, where ST sex, and lots of it, will rule the day.
Cheers and have fun out there.
Where do you get your girls or did you hop on the free bandwagon?Not dofficult not to pay. One has to simply not to take girls! And keep on his dreaming life in front of a PC screen hitting the keyboard
So agreed to meet Am, gogo dancer from Dollhouse, last night at the club in Soi Cowboy.
At this point I say: "OK, I am sorry to remind you that I am also the guy who sent you 200 US dollars. Just to remind you who I am, in case you have forgotten."
Well folks, the moral of the story is do not expect gratitude, which is all I expected out of the deal. Know the girl needed the money. Next time, donations will be funneled through the Red Cross. Now it's Pattaya time, where ST sex, and lots of it, will rule the day. Cheers and have fun out there.Well, this bitter end was somehow expectable even if we wished it did not end this way. These girls ae also destroying the country reputation (is there any left after these repeated stories?) as I am sure there is a small % of girls who have got together for no money for that night, as a "thank you".
Being her free time, by the way, not taking her working time for free (even then it was not fully for free as time back she got a donation of 200$ not meant to be paid back, not expected for a free sex night, but a sign of gratitude could have assured her not only a repeted customer but peace of mind for all)
So agreed to meet Am - (snip) Well folks, the moral of the story is do not expect gratitude, which is all I expected out of the deal. Know the girl needed the money. Next time, donations will be funneled through the Red Cross.Interesting to hear the end to this long story.
You did well to reconnect with Am as a quasi "friend", screw her a few times, and enjoy it all until early morning. In her mind, that was her gratitude. After all, you did meet her where she works and paid ladydrink prices.
Seeing that Am is still working in a bar, I'm not surprised that she wanted money from you regardless of your flood "donation." P4P women's minds don't work that way. A pile of baht has a very short psychological "half life" around these parts.
You could have played it cool, given her the LT money she asked for, and got a little more if you really wanted to (if you liked her). What's a few 1000 baht in the big scheme of things? For some guys, not much. Sounds like you did the right thing, though, as they have a way of always asking for more. And, then there's the "principle" involved. ;)
For most bargirls, no matter what they say, fucking most (if not all) foreigners is just a job. If you are a visiting "tourist" you're a customer, nothing more. Even local ex-pat, so called "boyfriends" are just customers (whether they know it, or not).
Over in Pattaya, practice Daddy 07's time honored policy of "screw 'em and send 'em on their way." Everybody stays happy that way!
And, definitely think about saying "no" to the next one that asks you for money for no services rendered. That way you will not be taking care of some slick Somchai's souped up Honda Sonic! :)
NicFrenchy
06-22-12, 09:02
Interesting to hear the end to this long story.
You did well to reconnect with Am as a quasi "friend", screw her a few times, and enjoy it all until early morning. In her mind, that was her gratitude. After all, you did meet her where she works and paid ladydrink prices.
Seeing that Am is still working in a bar, I'm not surprised that she wanted money from you regardless of your flood "donation." P4P women's minds don't work that way. A pile of baht has a very short psychological "half life" around these parts.
You could have played it cool, given her the LT money she asked for, and got a little more if you really wanted to (if you liked her). What's a few 1000 baht in the big scheme of things? For some guys, not much. Sounds like you did the right thing, though, as they have a way of always asking for more. And, then there's the "principle" involved. .
For most bargirls, no matter what they say, fucking most (if not all) foreigners is just a job. If you are a visiting "tourist" you're a customer, nothing more. Even local ex-pat, so called "boyfriends" are just customers (whether they know it, or not).
Over in Pattaya, practice Daddy 07's time honored policy of "screw 'them and send 'them on their way." Everybody stays happy that way!
And, definitely think about saying "no" to the next one that asks you for money for no services rendered. That way you will not be taking care of some slick Somchai's souped up Honda Sonic! .Absolutely! I fully agree.
Nice Bike though, payed by the Gullible Sponsors.
FonTok.
See this quote:
So agreed to meet Am,
A few minutes later Ame arrives in her street dress. Instant smile, sweet. I remember immediately why it was that I liked her so much two years ago, when I did a LT session followed by a day trip. We chat and she says that she works in the club on the weekends. Is taking computer science uni classes (though it really sounds fucked up: ah, she can do the work at her pace, online, whatever. .That means that that night it was not a working night for her and if she wanted she could easily be out and play with the guy for free.
If she wanted.
The only problem with that is the hot ones would either quit or they would just hold out until the demand became too great, which it would. Hot girls know their worth, they're not stupid. Why should a 9-10 be willing to accept the same rate a mediocre girl? That would be like asking Drew Brees to accept the same pay as his backup. Life ain't fair pal.If LeBron James and D Wade can take a pay cut then so can the two spinners in Rainbow 4.
I think that we also need to separte the guy who has saved money for a mongering vacation in Thailand and wants to get the best out of the days he spends there, rather than out of the money he spends, from the guys who either live there (expatriates) or go very often for various reasons (business, lay-over, happily and wealthy retired who can spend few weeks every 3-4 months). The former will not care much if spending 1000 or 2000. It is still within his reasonable budget (unless he is a hardened heap charlie and some are only for the reason of bargaining rather than saving, let's face it). Let's say he pays the double of whatever is the rate, for 1 week or 10 days. It is not going to be a killer for his wallet. He will have peace of mind, happy to monger and add more girls to his portfolio, He also cannot afford to keep on walking away because of the price. Hey, it is his holiday, it is his bunch of days. Any day / night he "misses", it is one less he will take a memory back home. Travelled all the way (air ticket, lodging, food, ie fix costs) and then not score to save what? 5000b? 10, 000b? These guys are also those either willing to score every night or even multiple time a day (then the unit price factor might have some influence, I agree) No way he is going to think too much about the local price level. He will reckonthat 2000b. Is a good bargain 8for him, his budget and comaprison level, that is also why he goes to Thailand and doesn't monger at home, far more expensive and less fun). Goes to Thailand once a year for 10 days. Those 10 days will be intense for him. But maybe the only 10 days of the year. So why to bother for an extra cost of 10000b? Can you blame him? Different story is the long term or repeated resident. Goes out one night, looks around. Doesn't find anything at his wallet level, walks away, maybe with a drink in his memory, few hours spent out of home / room, mission nearly achieved. On to th enext time, maybe the night after, maybe 3-4 nights after. Time and chances are on his side. Apart few guys, there is no need to score every single night out, every single night of the week (can he also score? Where is going to end this way? A sex pscho?). So he is the one saying, either I get her at 1000 or no way. He doesn't care if he doesn't get her. There will be another time he can get one and he'll be happy. So different stories for different guys and one cannot blame one's behaviour till he fits in his shoes (and even then.). Each one his own. Since the offer and demand are so wide and broad I am not so sure prices can be affected iether way. There might be areas where a (tourist) price might take the lead. Well, the "experts" will stay away from those areas. Be it. And let the tourist enjoy his 10 days break at "double" price, being this still a fraction of what he pays at home (and not accounting the different approach to p4p existing in SEA, mixed with the general level of providers).You have hit the nail on the head, which is why the argument for all guys paying less won't work: HE CANNOT AFFORD TO WALK AWAY BECAUSE OF THE PRICE. I remember when I didn't live here, my first 4-5 days on holiday were wild. These days, if I meet a stunner and she overcharges or I don't like her attitude, I go home, eat a sandwich, and save my cash for another night. Most tourists do the same all over the world. You're not going to pass up the memory of a view of the Taj Mahal no matter how much they charge.
Whats so hard to believe in that a girls price is based on looks!
Try this. You take a real real ugly from beer garden for 500 bath. She is superstar in bed and you really like her, the next time you are going to pay the same 500-she is still really ugly.
On the other end if you take a 5000 bhat tarawadee girl who provides shit service, if you want her again its still 5000 baht. She still is very pretty.Try this: Some guys pay really ugly BG girls 2000 baht. They still are really ugly. Some guys pay really hot go go girls 1-1, 500 baht. They still are really hot. Has nothing to do with the ugly or hot, has everything to do with the guy and his rapport with the girl, plus a shitload of other factors.
Friar Tuck
06-22-12, 10:16
So agreed to meet Am, gogo dancer from Dollhouse, last night at the club in Soi Cowboy. About 9 dropped in to Suzie wong's a favorite. They had about 12-18 girls, many cute ones, few punters at that hour. Couple honeys made eye contact and smiled. Most others indifferent. Was told by a mommy that the price is 2K ST and 4K LT with 600 baht barfine. That 4K figure is distressing, but based on a previous experience there a couple years ago you wouldn't want to do a LT bf with them anyhow; pain in the ass since they exist to fuck and nothing else.
Popped over to Baccara. Total fucking Nip city, and if I offend, well I am happy for that. The place was packed to the gills with Japs, so I guess the energy crisis / nuclear disaster / tsunami hasn't hurt them too much. Guess since they make great shit they will always be in good shape, particularly with the absurd strenght of the yen, which is causing more to induce headaches on the pricing front in LOS than any "overpaying" farang, believe me. And you can be sure those other barkeeps are checking in to see how well Baccara is doing. Expect more.
So then I drop in to the Dollhouse and Am is not to be seen. I phone her and she says she's on her way. In the meantime, I am sitting upstairs at a table below a gyratin, young nude thing with the most splendid ass. Cute as hell (she's friendly enough). All of the girls are shaved in this club. Not a lot of girls seem to be getting taken here. A few minutes later Ame arrives in her street dress. Instant smile, sweet. I remember immediately why it was that I liked her so much two years ago, when I did a LT session followed by a day trip. We chat and she says that she works in the club on the weekends. Is taking computer science uni classes (though it really sounds fucked up: ah, she can do the work at her pace, online, whatever. Total diploma mills bullshit that will get her nowhere but poorer). I comment that I am pleased that she's getting it together, and what with the two farangs (one UK, one American) who are sponsors, and the invitation to visit USA with her kid. Of course she doesn't love either guy (ah, wink wink, but maybe you, honey are the one). The girl totally knows how to milk the system, but somehow is not smart enough to follow up and seal the deal. Bottom line is that she probably really does like her life in the bars, truth be told.
So we chat and I buy 1000 baht worth of drinks (3 Singa for me. 3 ladydrinks for Am and one drink for one of the managers who has latched on; I shoulda at least saved the 170 by denying that). So I'm basically doing this for her to keep face. We exit about 11 pm to walk to my hotel, nearby. Our plan was LT with an outing on Friday, her return to the bar in the early evening.
In the room we chat, have a very nice sex session. God, her look of ecstacy while she rides my face really brought back great memories. Go through the positions and I finish mish (condom on). I tell her the next session that I'm going to come in her mouth and face. That was fine by her.
And yet. Late at night she tells me that she must leave in the morning to get her son ready for school. I know this to be total bullshit because her FB comments mention that she misses her son. (now don't get me going on that, I have only 3 P4P girls, ones who can pass for being not, on FB, but anyhow). Sure enough she wakes up at 8, not 7 as she professed to need to be back. She rebuffs the sex session, showers, returns (I am in bed) full dressed and says the immortal words of the Thai hooker: "You give me money."
I was unhappy as she was going to return. So she thinks I'm going to run out. Fair enough. I say "how much?"
Angrily, she replies (with that look of nastiness on her face) : "You know how much."
Me, not wanting to hear that the dollhouse also charges 4K LT, I say "No, I don't know how much"
"Tree tousand long time"
Me: "But honey, I didn't get long time. You didn't give me sex in the morning."
"But I sleep with you. OK (more angrily). Up to you."
I hand her 2K.
We both agree that we are both unhappy and that the day outing was in peril. (Well, of course I had no intention of wasting any more time with such a creature.)
At this point I say: "OK, I am sorry to remind you that I am also the guy who sent you 200 US dollars. Just to remind you who I am, in case you have forgotten."
Well folks, the moral of the story is do not expect gratitude, which is all I expected out of the deal. Know the girl needed the money. Next time, donations will be funneled through the Red Cross.
Now it's Pattaya time, where ST sex, and lots of it, will rule the day.
Cheers and have fun out there.Congrats for the easy to read, amusing and down to earth reports.
Re the 200$, been in a similar situation which turned out the opposite to yours, luck of the draw my friend.
Once again, nice reporting.
Tuck
Congrats for the easy to read, TuckThere is no real need to quote the whole message or we end up with the same message over repeated
"Tree tousand long time"
Me: "But honey, I didn't get long time. You didn't give me sex in the morning."
"But I sleep with you. OK (more angrily). Up to you."
I hand her 2K.
We both agree that we are both unhappy and that the day outing was in peril. (Well, of course I had no intention of wasting any more time with such a creature.) Yes I'm afraid she is right that long time is LT whether you got in the 2nd screw or not. You should have set alarm to make sure you got it.
We did tell you long ago that the flood donation is long forgotten, especially as she may have got it from several guys.
Golden Rule. Never pay a girl in advance in Thailand. You will never get your money's worth. A donation is a donation and not a loan. Bargirls don't have a very extended feeling of indebtedness. Thais have a word for this "Greng Jai". They speak about this feeling a lot, but they do not feel it at all. Farangs have feelings of indebtedness, for help given, but they rarely speak about it or put it into words.
How often do we use this word "indebtedness" in our spoken language? Not much, if ever.
There are Thais who feel "Greng Jai", in which case they will talk about it a lot less than the ones who don't feel it.
Tony Hoeprano
06-22-12, 12:38
Popped over to Baccara. Total fucking Nip city, and if I offend, well I am happy for that. The place was packed to the gills with Japs, so I guess the energy crisis / nuclear disaster / tsunami hasn't hurt them too much. Guess since they make great shit they will always be in good shape, particularly with the absurd strenght of the yen, which is causing more to induce headaches on the pricing front in LOS than any "overpaying" farang, believe me. And you can be sure those other barkeeps are checking in to see how well Baccara is doing. Expect more.Good grief mister, what do you have against the Japanese fellows there? They're just minding their business and enjoying their hard earned cash, just like the rest of us.
I've notice a lot of construction around my condo, are the female construction workers available for some hanky panky after work or on their days off? I can't imagine they'd turn down 500 baht which would at least double their pay for the day. Believe it or not, some of them are not bad looking at all.
FonTok. See this quote: That means that that night it was not a working night for her and if she wanted she could easily be out and play with the guy for free. If she wanted.Bargirls are always working, don't kid yourself.
Sure, you can believe otherwise, but just don't meet her at the club where she works.
Besides, there is no FREE in Thailand. I don't care what anybody says here on IGG, you pay at some point.
Traveler1234
06-22-12, 14:36
Good grief mister, what do you have against the Japanese fellows there? They're just minding their business and enjoying their hard earned cash, just like the rest of us.This seems to be the favorite subject for the last few weeks. Everytime you can't get laid or complain about price, it's always someone else's fault. If it wasn't for the Japanese contingent, the quality of many places would fall and become dives.
That's why the ignore function is so great.
GentleBoner
06-22-12, 15:41
All men should negotiate the girl down to 1500 not because the 500 baht in savings is that great, but because it keeps them from getting spoiled and developing a ripoff attitude.
All of the best girls I've ever had didn't care about the price.
If she's not willing to knock off 500 baht to seal the deal, she likely won't be willing to perform either.
NicFrenchy
06-22-12, 16:46
Yes I'm afraid she is right that long time is LT whether you got in the 2nd screw or not. You should have set alarm to make sure you got it.You can't be serious. If the man wants sex in the morning and the girl leaves without giving, then too bad for her, she won't get paid Long time.
I fully support what he as done and would have done the same.[/QUOTE]
NicFrenchy
06-22-12, 16:50
That's why the ignore function is so great.Not all the time though. Sometimes it puts people on ignore without me doing it. For example: I can't see the posts of Mr H444, but did NOT put him on ignore. Not that I mind, but seems to me there is a faulty thingy here.
You can't be serious. If the man wants sex in the morning and the girl leaves without giving, then too bad for her, she won't get paid Long time.
I fully support what he as done and would have done the same.I don't condone for a minute paying for ST when you expected the girl to stay for the whole night, if the fault lies with the guy. It's as if you are saying he should get several hours of her time for free. If she was unwilling to to have sex in the morning, or decides to leave in a hurry, I too would dock her payment too. It depends on circumstances and what has been agreed to.
It wasn't clear to me in the orginal report that he was refused the sex in the morning. He merely stated that he didn't get it before she had decided it was time to leave. I had guessed he merely did not request it at a reasonable hour. Girls are not expecting LT to last till lunchtime. Some wish to leave early and some don't. If the girl needs to leave excessively early she should warn the customer before the LT is agreed to. I have been caught out with girls wanting to leave early before I got to my 2nd round.
Obviously I do not pay for one round the same as I would pay for 2 rounds, but requiring her to stay the night probably deserves some payment. Most of these girls only do ST for 2K, I would say.
My best bargirl, sometimes would stay all night, if she is very sleepy. Other days she would offer instead not to stay the night, but to return to knock on my door for the morning round of sex at some agreed time. She would then get the rest of her long time money. This has worked well for me. She is reliable and arrives early when I am just waking up with hard-on ready to go. She was probably playing cards (gambling) all night with other bargirls.
All men should negotiate the girl down to 1500 not because the 500 baht in savings is that great, but because it keeps them from getting spoiled and developing a ripoff attitude.
All of the best girls I've ever had didn't care about the price.
If she's not willing to knock off 500 baht to seal the deal, she likely won't be willing to perform either.ROFLMAO. :D
Obviously you rate girls as "best" if they don't care how much they get.
I would call those girls "desperate", lacking in self esteem, or they really fancy you. Perhaps you didn't express it well.
Many girls are happy with what I give them because they know I am fair to generous, and reward for effort and a good time. Doesn't mean they don't care how much they get. Sometimes negotiation is just not necessary. They are mostly happy to keep repeating except for the ones who really don't like sex much.
Not all the time though. Sometimes it puts people on ignore without me doing it. For example: I can't see the posts of Mr H444, but did NOT put him on ignore. Not that I mind, but seems to me there is a faulty thingy here.Are you the only one on the forum that has to only think about ignoring the guy, and the computer reads your mind and does it automatically? Could you have forgotten you decided to ignore him?
For me, guys go to "Ignore" only when I deliberately do it. Actually there was a different guy recently who was much more annoying than even H444 to me. Fortunately I have ignored him very effectively, since I can't now remember who it was. I guess he went away.
Its been harder to forget H444 unfortunately since he gets discussed so much.
LittleBigMan
06-22-12, 22:13
Interesting to hear the end to this long story.
You did well to reconnect with Am as a quasi "friend", screw her a few times, and enjoy it all until early morning. In her mind, that was her gratitude. After all, you did meet her where she works and paid ladydrink prices.
Seeing that Am is still working in a bar, I'm not surprised that she wanted money from you regardless of your flood "donation." P4P women's minds don't work that way. A pile of baht has a very short psychological "half life" around these parts.
You could have played it cool, given her the LT money she asked for, and got a little more if you really wanted to (if you liked her). What's a few 1000 baht in the big scheme of things? For some guys, not much. Sounds like you did the right thing, though, as they have a way of always asking for more. And, then there's the "principle" involved. .
For most bargirls, no matter what they say, fucking most (if not all) foreigners is just a job. If you are a visiting "tourist" you're a customer, nothing more. Even local ex-pat, so called "boyfriends" are just customers (whether they know it, or not).
Over in Pattaya, practice Daddy 07's time honored policy of "screw 'them and send 'them on their way." Everybody stays happy that way!
And, definitely think about saying "no" to the next one that asks you for money for no services rendered. That way you will not be taking care of some slick Somchai's souped up Honda Sonic! .You got that right! This bike a 125 Sonic, dual disc brakes and with a Clutch! Is 99% driven by a guy or one can say a Thai guy! Because of the clutch. If a bargirl is driving one of these one can safely say its her boyfriend or of course a relative in her family which most likely will be her excuse? It is a sure give away along with the after market seat which all the young guys like. Stiff as a board like a racing Recardo seat. Most bikes are automatics and with girls they love those Finos or Snoopy. Any bikes that has been modified, seats with exhaust system, thin or fat tires, fancy shocks and rims certainly only guys would spend the money?
LBM
Mr Enternational
06-22-12, 23:06
We did tell you long ago that the flood donation is long forgotten, especially as she may have got it from several guys. Golden Rule. Never pay a girl in advance in Thailand. You will never get your money's worth. A donation is a donation and not a loan. Bargirls don't have a very extended feeling of indebtedness.Being a person who loves saying I told you so. WE TOLD HIM, WE TOLD HIM. I even told him there was no flood where she said she lived. But he did insist that.
I have gotten an email from a WG (26- 28 year old The Dollhouse / Soi Cowboy) gogo dancer I met 1. 5 years ago) who says she is back home in Surin and reports that flooding is keeping her from, um apparently honest, work. I have been in occasional email contact with her and her recent message is the first appeal for money over time. I am inclined to believe she really is in dire straits (but aren't they all, really?). Under the circumstances I feel compelled to help out with about $200 USD. (I harbor no illusions of getting anything in return and this is pure philanthropy.But now wants his donations worth. LOL and TIT.
Not all the time though. Sometimes it puts people on ignore without me doing it. For example: I can't see the posts of Mr H444, but did NOT put him on ignore. Not that I mind, but seems to me there is a faulty thingy here.So its not just me then. I'm not getting Syzygies reports and have not put him on ignore.
There is definately a faulty thingy going on here.
Tony Hoeprano
06-23-12, 03:31
If LeBron James and D Wade can take a pay cut then so can the two spinners in Rainbow 4.LOL@ comparing King James to an Issarn bar girl. What Lebron and D-Wade lost in salary was hansumly compensated in endorsement money.
Wolvenvacht
06-23-12, 08:07
All men should negotiate the girl down to 1500 not because the 500 baht in savings is that great, but because it keeps them from getting spoiled and developing a ripoff attitude.
All of the best girls I've ever had didn't care about the price.
If she's not willing to knock off 500 baht to seal the deal, she likely won't be willing to perform either.If I could I would send your message to your employer. I am sure (s)he likes to hear that paying less to workers makes them somehow better performers. :)
Some guys pay really hot go go girls 1-1, 500 baht. They still are really hot.Yeh right, what percentage of the the time does this really happen in BKK? Show us some pics evidence. By really hot, do you mean nice body but ordinary face, or pretty face with a shit body, or do you just mean fucked really nicely? Perhaps a desperate drug addict? I would be surprised to learn could get both very pretty and a smoking hot body for 1 to 1. 5K unless you found a dumb newbie who was used to Pattaya prices. Okay if she had the hots for you in particular could happen, but not in normal scheme of things. These "hot" girls could probably get 3K+ easily for a Japanese quickie. After doing 3 of those in the evening, late in the evening she might go with you for free for some fun sex?
Yes its well accepted that some guys overpay for real "dogs" (apologies. One could not say this in Thai). I do sympathy fucks (older girls) on occasions but no one extremely ugly, and not if I don't like the girl.
I have to agree with the other writer, that in general the best looking girls will cost more and they don't necessarily perform well, so you might not get your money's worth. Its simply a case of market pressure. A girl will charge basically what she knows she can get regularly (or start higher). She may drop her rate if the guy is really hot and she lusts for him. She may increase her rate if the guy does not interest her at all, but may still be willing for a high price.
I have not tried 1000, but at 1500, yes you can get very pretty girls. That's what I pay and what I get. And it's not hard. Simply avoid the big bars and go to the smaller ones.
The big bars have too much foot traffic, they don't need to care about the customers or pricing, they have 10 tourists walking in every minute.
Damn! Saw a really hot Chinese gal at work, with big ass!
Tits. Equally yummilicious!
Not obscene. All proportions very appropriate! Could not ask for any thing more anywhere, those tight jeans told it all.
I thanked our hobby in my head. Else desperation could lead me and my likes into insanity!
Next trip, whenever, has to include some Chinese booty! Decided!
Enjoy all,
-R.
Congrats for the easy to read, amusing and down to earth reports.
Re the 200$, been in a similar situation which turned out the opposite to yours, luck of the draw my friend.
Once again, nice reporting.
TuckThank you, Mr. Tuck.
At least some encouragement for learning. Shit, I should have known posting to the BKK board with all the wizened fucks who know it all.
I merely posited a warning about Thai WG. And per Mr. Million Post E's comment, wrong (expletive deleted). I was expecting nothing in return. I do believe that reasonableness, perhaps kindness, might have been returned. Certainly did NOT expect a free fuck. As a matter of fact, had she stuck around to provide the same kind of tour guide service she had previously, I might have slipped her 4000 baht.
On the issue of LT, I disagree fully with several posters, but in the future will make certain that circumstances are fully negotiated in advance.
LT means sex in morning. (Now, say a drunken MF punter sleeps in until noon, well, the bet is off in such a circumstance.) I had agreed with a lady (I had known before, no problem, nice time, etc.) that we would spend the day together. In my case, I handed her 2000 baht, a reasonable ST rate. I have even had this discussion with a few WGs, and many of them agree with me. Ame, the Dollhouse dancer I had barfined, surely should have known better. It's all water under the bridge, that one. Lesson learned.
But ... if we cannot all get on board with the issue of what constitutes LT, all bets are off as far as the whinging goes about pricing. ("AAAAAH, I remember in the day when you could get a nice piece of Thai pussy for 10 baht, back when I served with the Flying Tigers," sound of gums flapping). If fellows are paying WG's to sleep over, with a warm body next door, well. Help us all.
But whatever. I'm afraid the snarkiness of some Sex City Posters is putting me down, man. I'm hesitant to post on the Patts board, considering. (And I have had nothing but a great time so far, so I don't think my approach to this biz is completely off. Had a fabulous night, and good portion of a day with an incredible gogo dancer from a joint called Sweethearts. And she was a sweetie. (Kinda what I thought of the other girl ... Now you can laugh out loud!)
Thank you, Mr. Tuck.
At least some encouragement for learning. Shit, I should have known posting to the BKK board with all the wizened fucks who know it all.
LT means sex in morning. (Now, say a drunken MF punter sleeps in until noon, well, the bet is off in such a circumstance.Sometime the problem is to kick out the young lady at noon. As she oversleeps, even after she gave you a morning wake up. I can't sleep overnight till late hours non stop. Regardless of the time I went to bed and what I did there. So be it 7 or 8 or 9 a first awakening takes place. Time for the sexual wake up call too by the lady of the night and then she is free (paid and nicely motioned) to go and I can eventually keep on sleeping again, free to crawl and stay self asleep till I want. Unless she is the one staying for 2-3 days, but then it means I can stand her presence (and she mine) and feel free of sleeping or awakening obligations.
Yeh right, what percentage of the the time does this really happen in BKK? Show us some pics evidence. By really hot, do you mean nice body but ordinary face, or pretty face with a shit body, or do you just mean fucked really nicely? Perhaps a desperate drug addict? I would be surprised to learn could get both very pretty and a smoking hot body for 1 to 1. 5K unless you found a dumb newbie who was used to Pattaya prices. Okay if she had the hots for you in particular could happen, but not in normal scheme of things. These "hot" girls could probably get 3K+ easily for a Japanese quickie. After doing 3 of those in the evening, late in the evening she might go with you for free for some fun sex?
Yes its well accepted that some guys overpay for real "dogs" (apologies. One could not say this in Thai). I do sympathy fucks (older girls) on occasions but no one extremely ugly, and not if I don't like the girl.
I have to agree with the other writer, that in general the best looking girls will cost more and they don't necessarily perform well, so you might not get your money's worth. Its simply a case of market pressure. A girl will charge basically what she knows she can get regularly (or start higher). She may drop her rate if the guy is really hot and she lusts for him. She may increase her rate if the guy does not interest her at all, but may still be willing for a high price.Agreed, it could be a great body and ordinary face or vice versa. Then again, even with a nice face and body, you wouldn't get most guys on this board to agree as to what is hot (when I go out with some of my mates we are amazed at the differences in our preferences, I tend to prefer white skin, Thai Chinese specs, and sometimes tall, whereas some friends think that they have to be dark as the night and only slightly above midget height). The basic point I am trying to make is that I don't think the rates are based only on looks. I met two Rainbow dancers on Sukhumvit at 230am some months ago. Personally I wouldn't count them as overly hot, but at any rate, they were gogo girls working in one of the more frequented spots in Nana. We were hanging out drinking and at some point one of them said to me,"it must be nice to live here." When I asked why, she answered,"because you know a lot, you can speak some Thai, and you can have many ladies." She then said,"I bet you don't have to pay bar or can pay lady 1000 baht, right?" I agreed. 30 minutes later, I took both of them home at 1000 baht each. No, I wouldn't consider either of them knockouts, but they were good looking enough, with great attitudes. Not to mention that they are getting pulled in the bar for 1. 5-3. If we are talking high end, why not just head out to the gentlemens' clubs and fork out whatever they are asking for supposed model types?
Thank you, Mr. Tuck.
At least some encouragement for learning. Shit, I should have known posting to the BKK board with all the wizened fucks who know it all.
I merely posited a warning about Thai WG. And per Mr. Million Post E's comment, wrong (expletive deleted). I was expecting nothing in return. I do believe that reasonableness, perhaps kindness, might have been returned. Certainly did NOT expect a free fuck. As a matter of fact, had she stuck around to provide the same kind of tour guide service she had previously, I might have slipped her 4000 baht.
On the issue of LT, I disagree fully with several posters, but in the future will make certain that circumstances are fully negotiated in advance.
LT means sex in morning. (Now, say a drunken MF punter sleeps in until noon, well, the bet is off in such a circumstance.) I had agreed with a lady (I had known before, no problem, nice time, etc.) that we would spend the day together. In my case, I handed her 2000 baht, a reasonable ST rate. I have even had this discussion with a few WGs, and many of them agree with me. Ame, the Dollhouse dancer I had barfined, surely should have known better. It's all water under the bridge, that one. Lesson learned.
But. If we cannot all get on board with the issue of what constitutes LT, all bets are off as far as the whinging goes about pricing. ("AAAAAH, I remember in the day when you could get a nice piece of Thai pussy for 10 baht, back when I served with the Flying Tigers," sound of gums flapping). If fellows are paying WG's to sleep over, with a warm body next door, well. Help us all.
But whatever. I'm afraid the snarkiness of some Sex City Posters is putting me down, man. I'm hesitant to post on the Patts board, considering. (And I have had nothing but a great time so far, so I don't think my approach to this biz is completely off. Had a fabulous night, and good portion of a day with an incredible gogo dancer from a joint called Sweethearts. And she was a sweetie. (Kinda what I thought of the other girl. Now you can laugh out loud!) Of couse long time means a shag in the morning if you feel like it. What else are you paying the extra money for (which is usually at least an extra grand)? To wake up with somebody with her hand out in a hurry to get away, I don't think so. No doubt some will try and avoid another effort because they feel can get away with it but no way should one pay LT rates without a parting shot. The rule is if she stays she plays.
Last point 4 now. You guys so entertaining.
Come on now. We know you not giving girl 4 k to be a guide. LOL.
Just admit she didn't like you-AND move on!Ah, gee Harold, you've made yourself another fan. Coming from such an unloved guy, maybe I ought of take yer advice. Or not. You fail, as always, to sense irony and misadventure.
I tend to prefer white skin, Thai Chinese specs, and sometimes tall, whereas some friends think that they have to be dark as the night and only slightly above midget height). ?Agreed that preferences vary a lot. I rarely go for Chinese looking girls, who typically have rounder faces, and often have poor waist to thigh ratios and ugly bottoms. Sorry about the generalisation as I know there are some very pretty Chinese girls, e. g. That one in the movie "Transporter" (Shu Qui. Sorry about spelling) was gorgeous. A low percentage of Chinese girls look hot to me. I like girls with narrow faces and model type looks, skin colour being rather unimportant, as long as not too extreme. I have seen girls recently that were so hot (both face and body) I just could not stop looking, despite being rather dark skinned. I just don't see a problem with darker skin, and some black girls are stunning to me. Height is also not a big issue for me, again as long as not too extreme. 5 foot is a little too short for me (but girls often cheat with high heels) and 6 foot is probably the tallest that I feel comfortable with (shorter than me). However in my entire mongering life I don't think I have ever encountered a working girl that was 6 foot without heels. Have done some rather tall Slovakian girls (big tits too) but still under 6 foot. I would never consider a girl that was close to me in weight. :D
Be careful about categorising your friends. Just because they like a particular girl that is dark and short, doesn't mean that is all they like. Its just there is such a large supply of short dark "lek lek dam dam" Issaan girls. Do I go to a place and deliberately pick a short dark girl? No, not unless she is very pretty and has a great body. Being short and dark is not a main selection criteria. I would prefer a taller girl, with a fab body if possible, but short is in big supply.
Allow for short guys feeling very comftable with short girls too.
I have not tried 1000, but at 1500, yes you can get very pretty girls. That's what I pay and what I get. And it's not hard. Simply avoid the big bars and go to the smaller ones.Which small bars have these pretty girls? I have surveyed quite a few bars and don't find lots of really hot bodied and pretty girls in most of them. Perhaps I am just too hard to please. I am willing to agree that Rainbow 4 has some stunners as does Bacarrat. However I don't go to these bars often due to difficulty to select hot girls that are not in a hurry. There was one girl I thought was hot at Baccarat, but I gave her away in the end, purely due to her having a cavenously loose pussy that just didn't do it for me. Even Shark girls didn't interest me that much recently. Having been having a great time with girls from Suzi Wong and Sheba, but its hard to find anyone there that is truly hot bodied and stunningly pretty, regardless of what price they go for. Tends to be either pretty or good body (not both) , but some really enjoyable sessions.
In one lonely noon I found long time unused number in my mobile phone. I called her; yes still she is working in a legitimate massage shop and agreed to meet at Siam. She came in time, refused for lunch and opted for a coffee. We agreed and found a coffee shop in opposite alleys. She was (+-) 40, but looked less. She mentioned she can not stay with me in night because she have work in the massage shop. But offered me, she can find a short time room for me if I want her. I disagreed and asked her, she can come tomorrow 8. 00 am. She can have breakfast with me in my hotel (Breakfast was included with my room). She agreed.
With panty or only with her T-shirt when she moves in my room, I woke up every time. I feel these things were innovated only for her nice body shape. Surprisingly I didn't need any pill for our whole day romping.
From 8:00 am to 5:00 pm I paid her 2000bht.
AssLover945
06-24-12, 17:12
i know i am writing this in the wrong column, but from a bangkok monger's perspective, it matters as to why i am writing in the bangkok column.
i was in pattaya for the weekend, and wow it is such a nice time to be there.
tourists are at their lowest, most bars and gogo's are going almost customer less.
i went to bars around soi lk metro and went to the world famous devil's den, but i was apparently the first customer in 3 days,
in [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s too, i was the first customer at 12 noon.
most gogos and sports bar were aggressively pulling in customers and beers were going at rock bottom prices at 49 bahts.
i always gave preference to bangkok over pattaya, but this time (in low season) , i felt so much welcoming there,
guys time to catch the 100 bahts van to pattaya, from victory monument and in less than 2 hours, you will be in pattaya and be treated like a king.
enjoy
Which small bars have these pretty girls?For example Angelwitch, Spanky, Mercury, Mandarin, Erotica 1 and 2.
Only 1 or 2 hot girls each, but isn't that enough?
1500 ST is very easy there, so getting 1000 is probably possible if you are a regular. Do report if you go.
AssLover945
06-25-12, 18:05
MeThinks you misread this customer less anomaly. Most bars and agogos are customerless due to LACK of pretty girls. If a bar offer s hot girls customers will be there.
It is same low season in Bangkok also and the bars with pretyy girls are packed! Stuck my head in a customerless nana bar last night-form a quick look see the girls warranted the bar being customerless. LOL.Seriously no NO.
I have seen the quality of some of the gogos in Pattaya and they are the same as Bangkok bar girls.
Anyway I respect your POV, even though I beg to differ
Enjoy wherever you can, but I strongly believe Pattaya is an nice alternative
A girl who gets 3000 in her bar I doubt would also go for 1500 in same bar, its one price or the other. Your claims are just hard to believe.Sorry Harold, Oldian is telling the truth. I will vouch for him!
Tony Hoeprano
06-26-12, 06:13
Confirmed that these other places are very thin on talent. Its where the 2nd and 3rd stringers go to work. The only way I would define these girls as hot is if I had just served a long prison sentence and it was my first piece of nookie.
I think I've covered the "very thin on talent" when I said each place only has 1 or 2 beauties (and some days, none if they aren't coming to work).
How many does Rainbow 4 or Bacarra have though? Only a little more actually, maybe 4 or 5.
So in the small bars, you get less beauties but better and cheaper service. There are lots of small bars so you can still find variety.
Tony Hoeprano
06-26-12, 09:22
Where can I barfine a midget?
Too ugly, too fat, too expensive, wants to go home early, etc, etc.
There are so many whiners on this forum that even the French guy is starting to sound like an eternal optimist.
I can go out and find a beautiful, sexy, young, Thai woman in a matter of minutes.
Will she perform? Darn right she will.
Every day 24/7. Bangkok or Pattaya.
You only have yourselves to blame if you don't have a good time. That's right. Because no one else actually gives a rat's ass!
:)
Too ugly, too fat, too expensive, wants to go home early, etc, etc.
There are so many whiners on this forum that even the French guy is starting to sound like an eternal optimist.
I can go out and find a beautiful, sexy, young, Thai woman in a matter of minutes.
Will she perform? Darn right she will.
Every day 24/7. Bangkok or Pattaya.
You only have yourselves to blame if you don't have a good time. That's right. Because no one else actually gives a rat's ass!Rainman,
LOL. Well said :) .
Giotto
AssLover945
06-26-12, 10:46
Too ugly, too fat, too expensive, wants to go home early, etc, etc.
There are so many whiners on this forum that even the French guy is starting to sound like an eternal optimist.
I can go out and find a beautiful, sexy, young, Thai woman in a matter of minutes.
Will she perform? Darn right she will.
Every day 24/7. Bangkok or Pattaya.
You only have yourselves to blame if you don't have a good time. That's right. Because no one else actually gives a rat's ass!You got the point Fontok. Happy you said it
Too ugly, too fat, too expensive, wants to go home early, etc, etc.
There are so many whiners on this forum that even the French guy is starting to sound like an eternal optimist.
I can go out and find a beautiful, sexy, young, Thai woman in a matter of minutes.
Will she perform? Darn right she will.
Every day 24/7. Bangkok or Pattaya.
You only have yourselves to blame if you don't have a good time. That's right. Because no one else actually gives a rat's ass!I was out Sunday night walked from Hillary Bar to Suk, Across Sukhumvit to Soi 13 maybe, I was mobbed. Every shape form and color, age anyone would want, including Ladyboys.
My best luck is the normal every day merchant met on the BTS or at the food court in Siam. In fact I am having to change the frequency of hook ups as the regular has noticed a decrease in jizz. LOL
Papae Noel
06-26-12, 12:53
Any recommendation for a doctor that would provide me with a prescription for Ambien, and the pharmacy? I've found it hard to find in Pattaya (one sold it to me without a prescription). I'm not going back to Pattaya soon, and I would like to get this medication if possible.
Please let me know. I'm in Bangkok.
Mr Enternational
06-26-12, 13:04
Too ugly, too fat, too expensive, wants to go home early, etc, etc.
There are so many whiners on this forum that even the French guy is starting to sound like an eternal optimist.
I can go out and find a beautiful, sexy, young, Thai woman in a matter of minutes.
Will she perform? Darn right she will.
Every day 24/7. Bangkok or Pattaya.
You only have yourselves to blame if you don't have a good time. That's right. Because no one else actually gives a rat's ass!GD Right. Learn to make your own fun.
You only have yourselves to blame if you don't have a good time. That's right. Because no one else actually gives a rat's ass!Whining? Everyone likes to have something to complain about, even if its silly stuff like how run down the place is. The most annoying complaints are those about people or places the writer doesn't know from own experience.
An important point is that it is reports about having a great time that make the most worthwhile reading, since places that are not good, is largely a matter of opinion. Places (an girls) that get a lot of positive write ups will be those that are worth visiting. That's how the ISG forum can give best value, IMHO. Great experience reports are the winners for me!
And yes of course those that ask endless questions, are automatically boring. Newbies should spend a lot of time reading before being too worried about making many posts.
Everyone should ask themselves, am I contributing anything useful? Will my question be useful to others as well?
Tony: try Mercury in Nana. There is a midget there.
Papae: try the pharmarcies in Patpong.
Any recommendation for a doctor that would provide me with a prescription for Ambien, and the pharmacy? I've found it hard to find in Pattaya (one sold it to me without a prescription). I'm not going back to Pattaya soon, and I would like to get this medication if possible.
Please let me know. I'm in Bangkok.It has been harder to get the last few years. Have you asked for Stilnox? Thats how Ambien is branded in Thailand.
I'm not sure where you're from, but its still pretty easy to get in most western countries through a GP.
Just say you've tried or prefer it to Temazepam and you don't want to take any form of Benzo.
Any recommendation for a doctor that would provide me with a prescription for Ambien, and the pharmacy? I've found it hard to find in Pattaya (one sold it to me without a prescription). I'm not going back to Pattaya soon, and I would like to get this medication if possible. Please let me know. I'm in Bangkok.Try any of the big pharmacies across from Chula Hospital on Rama IV Road (near the Cowne Plaza Hotel). They have everything. Cheap, too.
LittleBigMan
06-27-12, 02:33
Where can I barfine a midget?Midget? For a mental midget the number is Har-old-444, for a full size midget there is one on Soi 7, just off 2nd Road on the right. She cute too! Oh forgot you never have been to Pattaya and do us a favor don't come.
LBM
Where can I barfine a midget?By Lebron James' standards? Anywhere in Cambodia & most of Thailand.
Under 5 feet is universal.
Late Night Report.
Last night after ending a really steamy session with an off and on again hook up partner, which closed on a bit of a down note, I decided before going home I'the head out Suk road. Was down here Sunday night after the bars on Soi 4 were closing and the amount of action is grand.
I walked up to Soi 19 in front of Robinsons where the little sidewalk cafes are. I know that girl there sells really cold beer. Sitting there reflecting on the events of the evening, deciding if I'the even try to re connect with my earlier lover.
While in deep thought two girls came up and I offered to buy them a beer which they gladly accepted, of course the usual conversation started where are am I from, holiday, work, etc. One said she cashier at a coffee shop the other not sure what she said she did, mindless banter really. Any way they asked if I'the want to take one for a short time. I explained my earlier exploits and how I doubt if I had the power. The one that called herself (BUD) assured me she could get it up and winking. LOL Within a couple of minutes BUD got up came around the table kissed me and took my hand and instructed her partner in Thai to fall in we were going to a short time motel, We walked down to Soi 15? And got a nice room it was about 3:45 AM.
Into the shower I went and within a couple of minutes both girls were in there giggling and soaping my balls and ass crack, The one that would call less aggressive of the two is named Apple, She has very nice colored hair and white skin, I was making out with Apple while Bud was caressing my unit and balls sliding her finger in my ass and giggling. There were only two towels so I used one and then shared mine with Bud as we hopped on the bed.
They switched positions with Apple sucking on me BBJ, with Bud letting me play with her pussy and suck her tits, When they were satisfied I was up for the ride Bud slipped on the cover and climbed on me, She was fucking me hard, and I was making out with Apple DFK and playing with her pussy. Both of these girls had a decent amount of hair around their pussies, it was trimmed but thick. Not like a lot of the girls I have been banging.
I told them I wanted to finish with Apple, as earlier they were kidding me about getting Apple knocked up so she could have a half farang baby, LOL
I asked Bud to change condoms so I could fuck Apple, she slid off and put a new one on me and I turned Apple over putting a pillow under her ass and slowly slid my cock in her. She held my forearms and Bud was licking my ass and ball sack from behind as I rocked feeling my balls and ass tighten getting ready to shoot off. Kissing Apple deep I thrust in her and blew in the cover, which I really didn't want to do, I really wanted to pull out and have them jerk me to completion. Oh well even the best laid plans sometimes don't go off as intended.
I'm not sure if these girls were too fat, skinny, spoke enough English, (we spoke Japanese most of our conversation) I can't speak Thai, and can better articulate my points in Japanese that they can understand.
Supposed to meet them tonight, I wasn't able to get pictures doing the deed for obvious reasons (only two hands and both were busy) I am posting pre colloidal pics. LOL
How about more fucking and less bitching?
Here are the two artist that picked me up last night.
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To tell you the truth the reports on actual coittus are no fun. The fun is in the back and forth bantering with gentlemen offering differing viewpoints!How's your sex life Harold?
Should we call you "Dirty Harry"?
That would be, I believe, Joy's bar. My regular haunt when I want to watch the action walk by. Great lady and knows them all that walk by. Enjoyed the report.
Late Night Report.
Last night after ending a really steamy session with an off and on again hook up partner, which closed on a bit of a down note, I decided before going home I'the head out Suk road. Was down here Sunday night after the bars on Soi 4 were closing and the amount of action is grand.
I walked up to Soi 19 in front of Robinsons where the little sidewalk cafes are. I know that girl there sells really cold beer. Sitting there reflecting on the events of the evening, deciding if I'the even try to re connect with my earlier lover.
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Papae Noel
06-28-12, 04:55
Thanks to the suggestions on pharmacies. Will report back next week (have one remaining Ambien!).
Member #4285
06-28-12, 09:45
Late Night Report.Nice one! But how much was the damage including the room?
Bangkok Post Today.
New Law: Bounty Hunters are on the lookout for foreigners owning Thai land or Thai Property. Yes, another one aimed at killing of tourism and foreign business interests. The new law states bounty hunters will get 20% of the land or property market value. Amazing Thailand. Always just amazes me. See full story below.
Thai ombudsmen is drafting a carrot-and-stick law to protect Thai lands from illegal foreign nominee ownership, while developers and consultants suggest more legal transparency, a longer leasehold period and higher foreigner property taxes to prevent nominees.
Siracha: Think of the children.
Ombudsman Siracha Charoenpanij said the new law would comprise punishment for companies offering advice to foreigners on how to hold Thai property by disguising their legal transaction. This would include law firms and consultants.
The existing law enforced by the Lands Department requires foreigners found holding Thai property to transfer the plot to someone else or sell it within 180 days.
"The new law includes a reward to anyone providing information about foreigners owning land through nominees. They will get 20% of the market price of that piece of land as a reward after the plot is sold," he said at a seminar on foreign property ownership yesterday held by the Thai Appraisal Foundation.
The new law would also deport foreigners found guilty of holding land plots in Thailand illegally.
Ombudsmen will submit the draft to parliament this year, and Mr Siracha thinks there is backing for the bill.
"Anyone related to the property business may be unhappy with this bill as it will make the market rigid. But this law can help protect the land for the next generation of Thais," he said.
He pointed to a new scheme where foreigners disguise their ownership similar to multi-level marketing, where they are buying shares of an agricultural company that grows rice on large plots in the northeast.
"I've heard there was a broker buying land plots throughout a tambon in Surin to cultivate Hom Mali rice," he said."If such an act is not prevented, will there be any land left for our children?"
Suphin Mechuchep, managing director of property consultant Jones Lang LaSalle (JLL) (Thailand) , said any new law should not weaken Thailand's competitiveness. Yet too free a market would lead to a bubble, so balance is needed, she added.
"We should have transparency if we want foreigners to comply," she said.
She suggested clarity in regulations so foreigners could estimate their investment. Longer leasehold periods such as 50 or 90 years would lower their risk from the current 30 years, she added.
When laws are clarified, she accepted Thailand may charge higher taxes on foreigner property transactions than on those of Thais.
Atip Bijanonda, president of the construction and real estate business department of the Thai Chamber of Commerce, agreed there needs to be balance while still welcoming foreign investment.
He suggested the government set guidelines for foreigners, forbidding their purchase of land banks, farm land, property in border areas, and locations related to the country's security. Foreigners are permitted to buy land in industrial estates because they generate income and employment. Residential units near industrial estates are allowed for foreign investors or executives working there to bring their compatriots to visit Thailand.
Nice one! But how much was the damage including the room?500 B Three Hour Short Time, some place just before the Beer Garden on Soi 19 on the left.
And 3000 total or 1500 a piece for the girls, now you or some may say I over paid,
However I fucked them again last night long time, with better results.
Will post the report later.
I have done this before with girls who were lovers and invited me to join, Went ok a couple of times but one of the two that is less Lez, takes some heat for liking the cock too much, whether thats the reality or not. These two just like to fuck drink and have fun, in that regard they are just like me!
Wolvenvacht
06-28-12, 18:47
Do girls at baccara actually make money?Of course they do. I was in Baccara last April and saw this one skinny "Japan Doll" making a group of Japanese businessmen quite crazy. They were almost fighting between each other to put 100 baht banknotes in her panties and bra.
Hehehe, little did they know that for one LD she would sit with you and a allow you much more liberties.
Tony Hoeprano
06-29-12, 01:59
went to rainbow 4 and sat down in the booth, i just went for beer and to relax for the most part. and to see if i could get a stunner for 1. 5k lt hehe.
i was viewing the dancers on stage doing a dance routine that would put the dallas cowboy cheerleaders to shame, noticed a girl to my left smiling and then waving. she must have smelled my japanese blood lol. she came over and introduced herself, i didn't catch her number but her name was pooh. she went on to say like winnie the pooh haha. this girl had braces and was as cute as a button. chatted her up and said her prices were 2k for st and 4k for lt.
i didn't even bother asking if she would accept 1. 5k for lt lol. i'm thinking some of the fat ones on stage might go for that rate? not really into heffers though. afterwards, i peeked my head into spankys and looked for some hotties but didn't see any. just ugly girls with frankenstein-esque looking mugs!
Be careful-are you admitting you patronized a JAP bar. LOL. GO to shARKSat8-29 pm and get the happy hour drink price. You get to see the full complement of girls, quite a deal for the 4th best bar for lookers.So Harold, if Sharks is #4, what are the top three gogo bars for lookers right now?
Has anyone here tried the Sukhumvit-psycho. Com Premium Service? Is it worth it? Quite frankly, I'm getting frustrated at searching through 20 pages of off-topic comments for information on this board.
Tony Hoeprano
06-29-12, 09:34
Has anyone here tried the Sukhumvit-psycho. Com Premium Service? Is it worth it? Quite frankly, I'm getting frustrated at searching through 20 pages of off-topic comments for information on this board.There's hardly any posts there. You can find everything on here that you could find here and then some.. Just feel free to ask questions, that's what we're here for.
So Harold, if Sharks is #4, what are the top three gogo bars for lookers right now?I would say Baccarra by a mile is #1, then the Rainbow 4 in Nana. Not sure about #3. Maybe Tilac? General rule of thumb is the more crowded, the more hot girls there. But you'll have some folks whose standards are low and will say stunners roam the smaller bars. But like the chupacabra, I haven't seen it yet.
Traveler1234
06-29-12, 10:43
Quite frankly, I'm getting frustrated at searching through 20 pages of off-topic comments for information on this board.Yup, sad but true. Your best bet is to search the "Distinction" threads, from a couple of years back. That will give you a road-map and then the best thing to do is try them out. YMMV
Despite being in BKK for 6 times, I haven't utilized the go go or the club scene much[ though I had my share of fun, thanks to the Forum]. Will be spending a wk starting from next week. Thought of booking an escort for 24 hrs (Eros Bangkok says they will do it for 7 K) and take it from there, the idea being explore the key areas as vividly described in our Forum. As the schedule include some business also a w man idea may not work.
Will it be a foolish idea to pursue? Appreciate the Senior pundits advise&suggestions
NicFrenchy
06-29-12, 14:31
Has anyone here tried the Sukhumvit-psycho. Com Premium Service? Is it worth it? Quite frankly, I'm getting frustrated at searching through 20 pages of off-topic comments for information on this board.Instead of whining, you should show the example and POST something useful yourself. Looks like you also post off-Topic shit 90% of the time. The pot calling the Kettles Black.
Traveler1234
06-29-12, 15:11
Looks like you also post off-Topic shit 90% of the time.We're [including myself] are all often guilty of this. Be happy, Italy won yesterday! :D
Instead of whining, you should show the example and POST something useful yourself. Looks like you also post off-Topic shit 90% of the time. The pot calling the Kettles Black.Something useful then. Ok I've been reading the posts for the past month or so and frankly I have found nothing new (with few exceptions) about where to get a good shag in Bangkok at a reasonable price. So I will share my recent experiences. Best root recently was with Focus in EZ Soi 26, young, killer bod and when you get her going both a fun and highly responsive experience. Now it takes because of her age. 18 patience but well worth the effort. Incidently while they will try do not pay full whack up front. Also recently had a great experience at Tarntip Soi 7/1, ostensibly a straight up massage shop that I happened upon where a young very cute lass called cannot remeber but sounded like Jim or Jam gave the most amazing erotic massage that I have had in LOS. Limited to a HJ but her guiding your hand exploring firstly her clothed body that after a little feigned reluctance becomes her naked body ends with a technically superior as they say in Thailand finish. 500 and she was more than happy.
So Harold, if Sharks is #4, what are the top three gogo bars for lookers right now?Harold doesn't fuck (his own admission). He could be, (just could be a hermaphrodite) so asking him for advice is useless.
We're [including myself] are all often guilty of this. Be happy, Italy won yesterday! :DTraveler and Tony, thanks for the advice. Looking forward to my first trip to Bangkok, and yes, I will post a FR. NickFrenchy, it's comments like yours that are the reason I'm looking elsewhere. Too much warring, not enough sharing. As the late Rodney King would say,"Can't we all just get along?"
Harold doesn't fuck (his own admission). He could be, (just could be a hermaphrodite) so asking him for advice is useless.
H4444 is just like a pimple on a cowboy's butt.
Useless, yet painfully annoying! ;)
NicFrenchy
06-30-12, 04:35
NickFrenchy, it's comments like yours that are the reason I'm looking elsewhere. Too much warring, not enough sharing.Ha! Dude, I contributed to this forum more than you ever will in your lifetime! And be my guest, if you want to look elsewhere, just don't come here and publicly cry about it like someone will give a crap.
As the late Rodney King would say,"Can't we all just get along?"Let's see, Politicians don't get along, Clergymen or Muslim or any other Religious assholes don't get along, pimps and hookers don't get along, Sports rivals don't get along, Why should we?
How boring and Dull would the forum be without a little bit of controversy and fuckups?
I LOVE that people don't get along, it makes for an interesting forum.
And, don't blame the users for your incapacity of using the search, it's the way this forum is organised (or disorganised) that is at the root of the problem.
Now I have a nice hour to waste, let's go and get a nice BJ
NicFrenchy
06-30-12, 04:36
H4444 is just like a pimple on a cowboy's butt.
Useless, yet painfully annoying! .Hahahahaha that had me laughing my ass off
500 B Three Hour Short Time, some place just before the Beer Garden on Soi 19 on the left.
And 3000 total or 1500 a piece for the girls, now you or some may say I over paid,
However I fucked them again last night long time, with better results.
Will post the report later.
I have done this before with girls who were lovers and invited me to join, Went ok a couple of times but one of the two that is less Lez, takes some heat for liking the cock too much, whether thats the reality or not. These two just like to fuck drink and have fun, in that regard they are just like me!Have done Bud 3-4 times, she is a 1000 baht girl, but she also gets 2 from the Japanese at the Thermae. You didn't overpay, she does have a good attitude, and likes to fuck and drink. Only make sure the windows are closed with her or she'll wake half the neighborhood!
Despite being in BKK for 6 times, I haven't utilized the go go or the club scene much[ though I had my share of fun, thanks to the Forum]. Will be spending a wk starting from next week. Thought of booking an escort for 24 hrs (Eros Bangkok says they will do it for 7 K) and take it from there, the idea being explore the key areas as vividly described in our Forum. As the schedule include some business also a w man idea may not work.
Will it be a foolish idea to pursue? Appreciate the Senior pundits advise&suggestionsI have been mongering in Thailand on and off for 20 years. Did I ever need an escort? No. Its just too easy to find girls and I like to choose a girl that meets my specs. With an escort you could get lucky. Why book one for a long period until you are sure she suits you? Are you looking for a fuck or a guide? Escorts will probably not make the best guide.
Most guys want to fuck as many different girls as possible. Not me. I would rather stick to a few really good ones. Your idea would be much better if you already knew the girl and knew how she is. 7k is quite expensive but the best escorts would probably charge more than that for 24 hours (guessing) , so I would be concerned about the quality they would send you. Think you want to see a set of unphotoshopped pics first. Even then, the best looking girl could have an incompatible personality, and even be a girl who doesn't like sex much. I recall a stunner from Long Gun who was useless on the bed (for me).
What I do understand, for someone with very limited time, is that you might not want to waste time looking for girls, and have someone constantly available. However even an escort won't want to fuck 24 hours. Best to have a more varied experience I think. Guys have been known to have their Beergarten girl become a guide and show them around Bangkok LOL but I wouldn't do that myself.
Try some recommended easy gogos. Maybe the club scene is too difficult unless you have plenty of time, but try it. Try everything once is my moto (with limits. Not ladyboys). Sure, try an escort, but I recommend ST first up until you are sure its working great for you. I never go LT with any girl until I feel I really like them and its working well.
. a straight up massage shop that I happened upon where a young very cute lass called cannot remeber but sounded like Jim or Jam gave the most amazing erotic massage that I have had in LOS. Limited to a HJ but her guiding your hand exploring firstly her clothed body that after a little feigned reluctance becomes her naked body ends with a technically superior as they say in Thailand finish. 500 and she was more than happy.Jim is not a common name, but still possible, as it is a more polite way of saying "pussy" in Thai, depending on the tone. Jam is more likely. It puzzles me why I see many guys (commonly) finish the report with "and she was more than happy" as though they are justifying a low payment."He who protests too much?" When a girl doesn't complain, I don't interpret that as "she was more than happy". She could be silently seething. However if she smothered him with kisses after the 500 tip, then I would say she was "more than happy". Its not always easy to tell with Thai girls just how happy they are, unless they are very demonstrative (and no acting).
Its easier not to comment on how much was tipped these days, to avoid forum flack. 500 is normal payment for HJ, however I would tip more if I had throughly molested the girl as well. I don't see a big difference between putting a dick in her pussy and putting fingers other than a covered dick isn't going to scratch, and a dick could cause more bruising. In this case Waylon doesn't fully describe what he did, so I am not suggesting his payment was wrong at all.
I remember one time I was driving from Tampa to Cocoa Beach, Stopped for a cool drink in Lakeland. Some girl walked up to my car and asked if I wanted a blow job. She didn't look half bad, Not like some that are up 3 days and have not had a bath in 5.
I told her all I had was 8. 00 USD and I was intending on eating with 5. 00 of that. She thought for a second and said,"If you promise to come quick I'll do it!"
Did I pay too much? Just Asking?
GentleBoner
06-30-12, 09:54
I went to Baccara last night for the first time in a while.
The downstairs girls were very much catering to the Japanese, looks wise. I'm really not a big fan of that look myself.
The upstairs girls seemed to all have silicone and sporty bodies and darker, less Japanese looks.
Were several very pretty girls even by my picky standards, and a lot of mediocre girls.
One of the upstairs girls sat down next to me uninvited. She was my type and sort of socially abnormal in a really attractive way.
Quoted me 2500 ST however, and said I had to buy 2 drinks before I took her out. Said no and was ready to drop her, but she offered 2000 and I accepted.
Was decent overall. Have had better and have had worse, but was enjoyable.
Total cost 2000 ST + 600 barfine + 470 for drinks + 350 for hotel = 3420 baht = $110 US.
Ehhh. Not quite worth it compared to the massage parlors.
Baccara's too expensive
NicFrenchy
06-30-12, 10:34
It puzzles me why I see many guys (commonly) finish the report with "and she was more than happy" as though they are justifying a low payment."He who protests too much?" When a girl doesn't complain, I don't interpret that as "she was more than happy". She could be silently seething. However if she smothered him with kisses after the 500 tip, then I would say she was "more than happy". Its not always easy to tell with Thai girls just how happy they are, unless they are very demonstrative (and no acting).Exactly. Spot on!
It's possible to barfine a Bacarra girl without paying the 2 lady drinks, I've done it many times. Just FYI.
Jim is not a common name, but still possible, as it is a more polite way of saying "pussy" in Thai, depending on the tone. Jam is more likely. It puzzles me why I see many guys (commonly) finish the report with "and she was more than happy" as though they are justifying a low payment."He who protests too much?" When a girl doesn't complain, I don't interpret that as "she was more than happy". She could be silently seething. However if she smothered him with kisses after the 500 tip, then I would say she was "more than happy". Its not always easy to tell with Thai girls just how happy they are, unless they are very demonstrative (and no acting).
Its easier not to comment on how much was tipped these days, to avoid forum flack. 500 is normal payment for HJ, however I would tip more if I had throughly molested the girl as well. I don't see a big difference between putting a dick in her pussy and putting fingers other than a covered dick isn't going to scratch, and a dick could cause more bruising. In this case Waylon doesn't fully describe what he did, so I am not suggesting his payment was wrong at all.I live by the 500/1000/1500 HJ / BJ / FS tariff for the bill of fare at a massage shop. Whatever extra spices or sauces are added to the basic dish are gratefully accepted but a HJ is not a BJ no matter how good. Now there are considerations such as BB, extra shots, all holes, photos etc which may need to be negociated depending on the provider however my experience at Tarntip didn't qualify. I did ask her how much and she said up to you and while I wasn't showered with kisses when I gave the 500 I did get a smile and a wai hense the "more than happy".
Have done Bud 3-4 times, she is a 1000 baht girl, but she also gets 2 from the Japanese at the Thermae. You didn't overpay, she does have a good attitude, and likes to fuck and drink. Only make sure the windows are closed with her or she'll wake half the neighborhood!That's too funny, As we were making our way back up Suk the second night, One of the Tokyo fellows made a gesture at her and she responded, I'm sure he's bounced that ass a time or two also.
I'm probably going out again this week late Monday or Tuesday. Hopefully to discover some new talent. If not I'd probably take just Bud alone one more time with out the other girl. I can multitask, just not as young and as in shape as I used to be.
With two girls in their prime, after a few drinks. I fatigue quickly.
I told her all I had was 8. 00 USD and I was intending on eating with 5. 00 of that. She thought for a second and said,"If you promise to come quick I'll do it!"Did I pay too much? Just Asking?That meal at 5USD was far too much.
Exactly. Spot on!"Very demonstrative and not acting".
You should know by now Nic that that is a contradicion.
Hi All,
My first time posting in this form.
My buddy and I, Californians, are looking for something different and since neither of us have been to Asia, we thought this country would be good for a change of scene for us.
We both are in our early 50's and been mongering in the Dominican Republic for the last 10 years. Rates there are about 40 USD ST for pretty face model type body girls. LT runs about double that.
Anyway a buddys brother has a condo in BK and he travels there every 3 months. The last year he has been using the place as a base and jumping straight to Atlantic City PI. He says the Japanese, Koreans, Chinese with money and cheap weekend flights have driven the prices quite a bit. This has also changed the girls expectations so much that he now goes to AC for most all his activities. So I am being told to consider skipping Thailand and go straight to AC. The brother is a little odd though and I don't have 100% confidence in his information which is why I am posting here. I just saw GentalBoners post below. 19164, and the information concerns me.
In the DR it is truly $40 ST with your own room. In Thailand it is not against protocol to use your own room is it? Do the other costs really nickel and dime the price to the $110 just for ST? ! If so. Wow.
So what can two very seasoned ho-mongers, wise to all the games ho's play in this cat and mouse game expect to pay in the popular places both ST and LT? Is it really like GentalBoners posts? I realize Asia is a new game for us and we might look like easy-know-nothing-pray to the locals and that would tack a hidden premium on the price of pussy there. We learn very fast though.
Is there a sticky post anywhere for the newbies, detailing the where to go's, places to stay, things to watch out for, diversions, etc? A sticky would be really nice. I saw the sukhumvit-psycho website which seems kind of useless. I know about the reports of distinction, BK hotels thread.
One friend says to go just for the soapies.
Thanks!
Wolvenvacht
06-30-12, 23:34
In the DR it is truly $40 ST with your own room. In Thailand it is not against protocol to use your own room is it? Do the other costs really nickel and dime the price to the $110 just for ST? ! If so. Wow.You will be able to find someone cute and slim for about 2000 - 3000 baht + 600 baht barfine from most of the agogos and she will stay with you the whole night and take good care of you. Girls from the beerbars will be cheaper and streetwalkers even cheaper still.
But the big bonus for agogo girls is that (1) you can get a good look at her during her dance routine (many dance topless and some agogos in Soi Cowboy offer full frontal nudity) and (2) for the price of a ladydrink you get to spend some time with her and you can gauge her attitude better and even sample a bit of her wares.
Maybe I am just a lucky guy, but I was never disappointed when I took someone from a Soi Cowboy agogo, Suzie Wong being my favourite hunting spot.
Hi All,
My first time posting in this form.
My buddy and I, Californians, are looking for something different and since neither of us have been to Asia, we thought this country would be good for a change of scene for us.
We both are in our early 50's and been mongering in the Dominican Republic for the last 10 years. Rates there are about 40 USD ST for pretty face model type body girls. LT runs about double that.
Anyway a buddys brother has a condo in BK and he travels there every 3 months. The last year he has been using the place as a base and jumping straight to Atlantic City PI. He says the Japanese, Koreans, Chinese with money and cheap weekend flights have driven the prices quite a bit. This has also changed the girls expectations so much that he now goes to AC for most all his activities. So I am being told to consider skipping Thailand and go straight to AC. The brother is a little odd though and I don't have 100% confidence in his information which is why I am posting here. I just saw GentalBoners post below. 19164, and the information concerns me.
In the DR it is truly $40 ST with your own room. In Thailand it is not against protocol to use your own room is it? Do the other costs really nickel and dime the price to the $110 just for ST? ! If so. Wow.
So what can two very seasoned ho-mongers, wise to all the games ho's play in this cat and mouse game expect to pay in the popular places both ST and LT? Is it really like GentalBoners posts? I realize Asia is a new game for us and we might look like easy-know-nothing-pray to the locals and that would tack a hidden premium on the price of pussy there. We learn very fast though.
Is there a sticky post anywhere for the newbies, detailing the where to go's, places to stay, things to watch out for, diversions, etc? A sticky would be really nice. I saw the sukhumvit-psycho website which seems kind of useless. I know about the reports of distinction, BK hotels thread.
One friend says to go just for the soapies.
Thanks!Value for money and performance wise the Oilies like, Mango, Tulip, and Snow White are the best values out there.
Sounds like the DR is a great place to be budget wise. A GoGo gal in BKK will cost you 2k + 600 + Drinks (450 baht- 2 for you. 1 for her) = 3150 so about 100 USD for a ST, and most likely the gal will want to get in and get out as quick as possible. You are paying over twice what you would in the DR.
I went to Baccara last night for the first time in a while.
The downstairs girls were very much catering to the Japanese, looks wise. I'm really not a big fan of that look myself.
The upstairs girls seemed to all have silicone and sporty bodies and darker, less Japanese looks.
Were several very pretty girls even by my picky standards, and a lot of mediocre girls.
One of the upstairs girls sat down next to me uninvited. She was my type and sort of socially abnormal in a really attractive way.
Quoted me 2500 ST however, and said I had to buy 2 drinks before I took her out. Said no and was ready to drop her, but she offered 2000 and I accepted.
Was decent overall. Have had better and have had worse, but was enjoyable.
Total cost 2000 ST + 600 barfine + 470 for drinks + 350 for hotel = 3420 baht = $110 US.
Ehhh. Not quite worth it compared to the massage parlors.
Baccara's too expensiveYes, it is, as are all the GoGos. Can really blame the Arab for all the price increases on Cowboy. Before he bought his bevy of bars (first one being Midnight, which was wonderful before he acquired it) , Cowboy was the land of 400 bath bar fines and no gal would dare ask or expect more than 1k for ST. Of course drinks were 100 baht as well, so for under 2k you could have a nice time. Tis twice that now.
Hi All,
My first time posting in this form.
My buddy and I, Californians, are looking for something different and since neither of us have been to Asia, we thought this country would be good for a change of scene for us.
We both are in our early 50's and been mongering in the Dominican Republic for the last 10 years. Rates there are about 40 USD ST for pretty face model type body girls. LT runs about double that.
Anyway a buddys brother has a condo in BK and he travels there every 3 months. The last year he has been using the place as a base and jumping straight to Atlantic City PI. He says the Japanese, Koreans, Chinese with money and cheap weekend flights have driven the prices quite a bit. This has also changed the girls expectations so much that he now goes to AC for most all his activities. So I am being told to consider skipping Thailand and go straight to AC. The brother is a little odd though and I don't have 100% confidence in his information which is why I am posting here. I just saw GentalBoners post below. 19164, and the information concerns me.
In the DR it is truly $40 ST with your own room. In Thailand it is not against protocol to use your own room is it? Do the other costs really nickel and dime the price to the $110 just for ST? ! If so. Wow.
So what can two very seasoned ho-mongers, wise to all the games ho's play in this cat and mouse game expect to pay in the popular places both ST and LT? Is it really like GentalBoners posts? I realize Asia is a new game for us and we might look like easy-know-nothing-pray to the locals and that would tack a hidden premium on the price of pussy there. We learn very fast though.
Is there a sticky post anywhere for the newbies, detailing the where to go's, places to stay, things to watch out for, diversions, etc? A sticky would be really nice. I saw the sukhumvit-psycho website which seems kind of useless. I know about the reports of distinction, BK hotels thread.
One friend says to go just for the soapies.
Thanks!As others have pointed out, the go go girls are certainly a bit more expensive than the girls in the DR (and they are better looking with less drama!) ; I've had good ones from Soi Cowboy for 1500 baht+600 bar fine and no drink, so you can do cheaper than others have posted here. But the best value is streetwalkers near Nana; I've had several very nice ladies for 1000 baht and no bar fine since they are on the street. They are not the best looking but sometimes can be the most fun. 1000 baht is in the neighborhood of what you were paying for ladies in the DR. I've been both places and can say overall the experience is better in Thailand than some of the loco crazies I've put up with in Sosua. My two cents.
GentleBoner
07-01-12, 04:20
Hi All,
My first time posting in this form.
My buddy and I, Californians, are looking for something different and since neither of us have been to Asia, we thought this country would be good for a change of scene for us.
We both are in our early 50's and been mongering in the Dominican Republic for the last 10 years. Rates there are about 40 USD ST for pretty face model type body girls. LT runs about double that.
Anyway a buddys brother has a condo in BK and he travels there every 3 months. The last year he has been using the place as a base and jumping straight to Atlantic City PI. He says the Japanese, Koreans, Chinese with money and cheap weekend flights have driven the prices quite a bit. This has also changed the girls expectations so much that he now goes to AC for most all his activities. So I am being told to consider skipping Thailand and go straight to AC. The brother is a little odd though and I don't have 100% confidence in his information which is why I am posting here. I just saw GentalBoners post below. 19164, and the information concerns me.
In the DR it is truly $40 ST with your own room. In Thailand it is not against protocol to use your own room is it? Do the other costs really nickel and dime the price to the $110 just for ST? ! If so. Wow.
So what can two very seasoned ho-mongers, wise to all the games ho's play in this cat and mouse game expect to pay in the popular places both ST and LT? Is it really like GentalBoners posts? I realize Asia is a new game for us and we might look like easy-know-nothing-pray to the locals and that would tack a hidden premium on the price of pussy there. We learn very fast though.
Is there a sticky post anywhere for the newbies, detailing the where to go's, places to stay, things to watch out for, diversions, etc? A sticky would be really nice. I saw the sukhumvit-psycho website which seems kind of useless. I know about the reports of distinction, BK hotels thread.
One friend says to go just for the soapies.
Thanks!You can definitely use your own hotel room and avoid the hotel fee.
But minimum you're going to pay 1500 ST + 600 barfine + 300ish for drinks, which is US$75.
If you go to one of the really popular Japanese gogo bars like Baccara, they might insist on 2000 ST, which is an extra $15.
You can go to massage parlors and pay around 1900 baht for a full hour ST, which is $60 US. Not a bad deal compared to other countries.
Freelancers might be the best way to go. Usually 1500 with no barfine or drink fee.
Streetwalkers are a bit rough for me, but some guys enjoy them. 1000 ST.
I wouldn't say skip Thailand altogether, because it can be quite an experience, but maybe try some other countries in Asea too if you don't want to be spending $100+ every night for girls.
ok.
q. is an agogo the same as a gogo dancer girl club? at first i thought 'agogo' was a typo but it does not seem so.
q. an oilie is a massage parlor. right? where the soapies are?
dr is a great place to go for the money, but like anywhere, there are caveats. i am able to pull girls cheaper than what i quoted for two reasons. for one i am a better than average looking white guy the girls prey on, and two, i am bilingual spanish (they can not tell it is not my native language). to be successful in the dr you have to be wise to their hustle so am able to eliminate the games involving money / service just because i am language fluent. in thailand i am not expecting the same. i have no idea what level of hustle is pulled so you guys can help me out there too if you please.
in the dr you have to be careful with your hotel allowing one or more girls with you, every night, that are dressed like complete hos with a ho personality to boot. what are things like in thailand? if a girl comes to the hotel with you looking like a complete ho, are they going to let her in with me? qualifying dr hotels will cost you $60night for one of the nicer places with security. the security in the dr will confirep001e the girls i'd and give it back to her when she leaves and there have been no problems.
q. what is the cost of a clean comfortable hotel that will allow the hard core hos. are they hard to find?
it 'is' true the number of hot girls in the dr is far less than thailand. but again, me-myself, the girls consider me at the top of the food chain being a white guy plus a spanish speaker. so i don't have many problems pulling the best ones at better pricing as the girls want to be comfortable too knowing what kind of guy they are going with. most guys coming to the dr for the first time will get hustled / ripped off a couple times before learning the game and how to minimize their risk.
yes, the dr has more than their share of the loco-crazies like you say. thank god my spanish helps me filter that stuff out.
q. what is the difference between bk and the pattaya beach ho-scene? i read that many guys flop back for forth between the two. is the pricing more / less the same for the girls / hotels etc? i have been looking at youtubes of the places and i am kind of excited.
I was out last night, tried to learn how to tweet (- Giotto_BKK) during night tours. Details in my forum
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2419-Giotto-s-Lodge-in-Bangkok .
I found an excellent Gogo Bar in Patpong. Bada Bing. I have never been there before. It's located in a small side road that connects Soi 2 with the market, close to Silom. The place is well managed, has lots of customers, clean, nicely and modern decorated, the prices are ok. And lot's of young girls. From all Gogo bars I have seen in Patpong this one is by far the best. If you like young girls with a reasonable attitude - go there. A good place!
Giotto
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Wolvenvacht
07-01-12, 08:03
q. is an agogo the same as a gogo dancer girl club?yes, it is.
q. an oilie is a massage parlor. right? where the soapies are?indeed, it is one form of mp. you have the regular mps with no hanky-panky allowed; you have the mps that will give you a happy ending (hj of bj) ; the "oilies" that include fs (some of them even allowing multiple pops) and the "soapies" that have a bath routine including bbbj and fs.
dr is a great place to go for the money, but like anywhere, there are caveats. i am able to pull girls cheaper than what i quoted for two reasons. for one i am a better than average looking white guy the girls prey on, and two, i am bilingual spanish (they can not tell it is not my native language). to be successful in the dr you have to be wise to their hustle so am able to eliminate the games involving money / service just because i am language fluent. in thailand i am not expecting the same. i have no idea what level of hustle is pulled so you guys can help me out there too if you please.you will see there is far less hustle in thailand than anywhere else. the girl will state her price for her services (st being up to two hours, but generally only 1 pop; lt being the whole night, traditionally twice before going to sleep and once in the morning) , you get some chance for negotiating, but if she is not willing to drop her price, you just smile, thank her for her time and move to the next girl. remember to always smile. speaking some thai (even if it is limited to the general "sawadee khrap" greeting, but don't "wai" her) will help to create a better feeling. asking her name and then calling her "name-ja" ("ja" has the meaning of "lovely") from time to time, can do no harm too.
in the dr you have to be careful with your hotel allowing one or more girls with you, every night, that are dressed like complete hos with a ho personality to boot. what are things like in thailand? if a girl comes to the hotel with you looking like a complete ho, are they going to let her in with me? qualifying dr hotels will cost you $60night for one of the nicer places with security. the security in the dr will confirep001e the girls i'd and give it back to her when she leaves and there have been no problems.i never had any problem to get the girl come to my room. the more secure hotels will indeed require to see her id, some keep the id, some make a copy of it. no problem at all. the reception staff has seen it all too many times already. most of the agogo girls change into t-shirt and jeans before coming with you and they look just like 90% of all the other girls on the street. don't hold hands or kiss / hug her on the streets because that will certainly "mark" her as a sw. she will walk next to you or follow you to your hotel. just like a regular thai gf.
q. what is the cost of a clean comfortable hotel that will allow the hard core hos. are they hard to find?1000 - 2000 baht / night will get you something nice and don't worry: your companion will not look like a hardcore ho. the "walk of shame" thing does not exist in thailand, business as usual in most of the hotels.
it 'is' true the number of hot girls in the dr is far less than thailand. but again, me-myself, the girls consider me at the top of the food chain being a white guy plus a spanish speaker. so i don't have many problems pulling the best ones at better pricing as the girls want to be comfortable too knowing what kind of guy they are going with. most guys coming to the dr for the first time will get hustled / ripped off a couple times before learning the game and how to minimize their risk.
yes, the dr has more than their share of the loco-crazies like you say. thank god my spanish helps me filter that stuff out.i think you will find the thai attitude to sexual services refreshingly different: no drama, just good clean fun between consenting adults.
q. what is the difference between bk and the pattaya beach ho-scene? i read that many guys flop back for forth between the two. is the pricing more / less the same for the girls / hotels etc? i have been looking at youtubes of the places and i am kind of excited.pattaya is generally somewhat cheaper, but the difference is not huge. the main difference is that bkk is a boutique store with a few rld areas only (compared to the size of the whole of bkk, the rld areas for farangs are really miniscule) , whereas pattaya is a mega-sex-shopping mall, very much "in your face" and it opens already in the early afternoon. the agogo scene in bkk is second to none and much better than "walking street" in pattaya (which i always found a big disappointment) , but mps (of all kinds) , beerbars and streetwalkers come in such volume and variety in pattaya you do not want to miss it.
I LOVE that people don't get along, it makes for an interesting forum.Well I guess it's good that someone at least enjoys flames. Myself, I prefer to see posts with some substance and info, and in a more adult tone.
You seem to still be too busy with other things to share your long-ago-promised / never-delivered 'system'. [wink] I remember a while back, one guy came up with a detailed system for picking up on the internet, and he shared it here. You shot it down and said your system was better. We're still waiting for that.
The total number of posts impresses me a lot less than the substance of what gets said.
Any suggestion for action of any kind if I'm stuck overnight at or real near Suvarnabhumi Airport?
1000 - 2000 baht / night will get you something nice and don't worry: your companion will not look like a hardcore ho. The "walk of shame" thing does not exist in Thailand, business as usual in most of the hotels.Well, less so than perhaps anywhere else. But I will state that the dancer from Whats Up? I barfined last week in Pattaya was rather self-conscious in the lobby of the Furama Jomtien, a fading property about 30 minutes by baht bus from Walking Street.
Of all people, some mainland Chinese fuckers were looking at her and talking about her. My lovely said she returned them with a hard stare, good girl. ("I hate Chinese!" she told me when we went to the breakfast buffet at the hotel the next day, before telling me what had happened.) Funny thing, and I'll get all racist, but I will make this observation.
In mainland China, the amount of money you have has an inverse relation with the amount of class you have, unlike most places elsewhere. And simply put, it is because the vast majority of wealth there is ill-gotten, and you cannot buy class. Which makes the the knowledge they were giving my girl the going-over all the more grating. (And as if those porkers aren't buying hookers in their homeland.)
Over breakfast the girl was still quite self-conscious and unnerved (whereas most of the girls I have dined with could not give a fuck what others think)."You know why they are looking at me, right?"
"Yes, darling, I do, and I am sorry about that."
Wolvenvacht
07-01-12, 11:20
Well, less so than perhaps anywhere else. But I will state that the dancer from Whats Up? I barfined last week in Pattaya was rather self-conscious in the lobby of the Furama Jomtien, a fading property about 30 minutes by baht bus from Walking Street.
Of all people, some mainland Chinese fuckers were looking at her and talking about her. My lovely said she returned them with a hard stare, good girl. ("I hate Chinese!" she told me when we went to the breakfast buffet at the hotel the next day, before telling me what had happened.) Funny thing, and I'll get all racist, but I will make this observation.
In mainland China, the amount of money you have has an inverse relation with the amount of class you have, unlike most places elsewhere. And simply put, it is because the vast majority of wealth there is ill-gotten, and you cannot buy class. Which makes the the knowledge they were giving my girl the going-over all the more grating. (And as if those porkers aren't buying hookers in their homeland.)
Over breakfast the girl was still quite self-conscious and unnerved (whereas most of the girls I have dined with could not give a fuck what others think)."You know why they are looking at me, right?"
"Yes, darling, I do, and I am sorry about that."Indeed, Chinese "tourists" are a real pain-in-the-ass lot.
Last May I was visiting the temple complex of what Yannasang Wararam Woramahawihan in Thailand with my Thai GF. As is usual in Thailand (and many other countries) one takes of one's shoes before entering.
Just before we arrived, a group of Chinese tourists entered and they all (none excepted!) managed to drop their shoes in front of the door, none using the storage space provided left and right of the door!
Inside the stupa, their guide provided some commentaries in a rather loud voice. I do not know if it is perhaps a property of the Chinese language but it seems that it always sounds rather loud. Or perhaps the guide just had to shout because the majority of his flock paid no attention to what he was saying and happily carried on their conversations (again in a rather loud voice).
Then, when we were making merit in front of the altar on the upper floor, the group of Chinese tourists entered this room as well (and none too discretely) and tried to walk in front of us, in other words, between us and the altar.
Now it may very well be that none of these Chinese were Buddhists, but even an atheist (as myself) knows that it is simply not done to cross between someone paying respect at an altar and the altar. I am sure that these Chinese know that very well, but they simply did not care.
My lovely GF made an angry face at these tourists and told them to move behind us. I am not sure whether they understood any Thai, but the meaning of what she said surely came across and they walked behind her.
And this is not the only incident we had with groups of Chinese tourists: generally they are loud and show no respect. I really wonder if they act the same in their own country or whether they only do so when abroad.
Wolvenvacht
07-01-12, 11:30
Any suggestion for action of any kind if I'm stuck overnight at or real near Suvarnabhumi Airport?At what time will you arrive and how long will you be "stuck" at the airport? Will you be between international flights (which means you have to pass through immigration two times) or domestic flights? Have you been in Thailand before and know how to deal with taxis and such? Do you want a "massage" (regular with happy ending, oily or soapy) or porn-style threesome sex?
Lots of girla and lots of customers. Sounds like a winner to me. Now if only it is true?Harold444,
You definitely suck! Why don't you simply shut up? Do we really have to remove you?
I was there [Bada Ding] last night, that's why I wrote that report. There were a good number of customers and a good number of girls. Just go there, and write your own report.
I was in Kangoroo's BJ bar, too. I counted 8 girls and besides me and a friend 3 more customers. Do you want to question that, too?
Why don't you just leave and go back to your Kindergarten?
Giotto
http://www.livingstones.co.th
Let me preface this all by saying that the first year I was in Bangkok I used to like the Gogo bars and used to barfine girls all the time. I hate all that stuff about "oh it was so much better 10 years ago" and firmly believe it is the individuals perception that changes and NOT the overall scene (anybody turning up in Pattaya or Bangkok for the first time will STILL be as blown away as I was 20 years ago).
Last night having just come back from that god awful place Dubai and with the wife away I was pretty desperate to bust a nut. For something different I thought I would go for a no holds barred visit to the Gogo bars of Nana and Cowboy and find me the most smoking hot girl possible and pay whatever was required with no regard to cost. What a dissapointment the evening turned out to be.
I visited Baccara, Kiss, Tilac, Rainbow 4, Mandarin, Angel Witch, and about 5 others inbetween. Despite all that I still came away empty handed with just the search having cost me well over 1, 000 baht (some bars I just poked my head in, others I sat down and had a drink and bought drinks for girls).
There were some ok looking girls but absolutely NO stunners at all. Of the better looking girls the attitudes were soso at best. Having been here long enough I know which girls that charm will dissapear from as soon as the barfine is paid. Seeing good looking girls who are asking for 2, 000 baht short time (we are talking the top 20% of the bar) plus the bar fine and then the short time room and just KNOWING you will get perfunctory service at best was just completely unnappealing.
It was a good reminder of why I have never seen Gogo's as a P4P option for the last 6 or 7 years. To me it is just a total waste of time. I think it says a lot about Bangkok that an extremely horny guy with an unlimited budget can visit the best gogo's in Bangkok and a load of others in between and still walk away empty handed (I recognise that a lot of that is to do with me being jaded by the scene). All this is to mention nothing of the scores of single guys sitting on their own on one side of the bar while the girls all sit alone on the other side of the bar playing angry birds (pun intended).
So after 3 hours of searching I walked down Soi 23 on my way home and saw a delightful 20 year old in one of those massage parlours there. She was'ny the best girl I had seen but like so many non gogo places she was bright, friendly and bubbly and for 1, 500 baht all in you just KNOW you will have a great time. Great massage, BBJ, full sex and cum on her tits, fun girl, great personality, warm, welcoming and excellent value for money.
For me the BEST service and best experience in Bangkok is in the massage places. Always has been and always will be. Its where you find the Thailand experience that you read about and the attitude is ALWAYS infinitely better.
Why on earth anyone would bother with Gogos is beyond me. Head for the massage places. They are just SOOOO much better in every way. Stunners or not.
LittleBigMan
07-01-12, 13:09
Indeed, Chinese "tourists" are a real pain-in-the-ass lot.
Last May I was visiting the temple complex of what Yannasang Wararam Woramahawihan in Thailand with my Thai GF. As is usual in Thailand (and many other countries) one takes of one's shoes before entering.
Just before we arrived, a group of Chinese tourists entered and they all (none excepted!) managed to drop their shoes in front of the door, none using the storage space provided left and right of the door!
Inside the stupa, their guide provided some commentaries in a rather loud voice. I do not know if it is perhaps a property of the Chinese language but it seems that it always sounds rather loud. Or perhaps the guide just had to shout because the majority of his flock paid no attention to what he was saying and happily carried on their conversations (again in a rather loud voice).
Then, when we were making merit in front of the altar on the upper floor, the group of Chinese tourists entered this room as well (and none too discretely) and tried to walk in front of us, in other words, between us and the altar.
Now it may very well be that none of these Chinese were Buddhists, but even an atheist (as myself) knows that it is simply not done to cross between someone paying respect at an altar and the altar. I am sure that these Chinese know that very well, but they simply did not care.
My lovely GF made an angry face at these tourists and told them to move behind us. I am not sure whether they understood any Thai, but the meaning of what she said surely came across and they walked behind her.
And this is not the only incident we had with groups of Chinese tourists: generally they are loud and show no respect. I really wonder if they act the same in their own country or whether they only do so when abroad.Just my opinion as a Chinese. I have been to China many years prior to Thailand and have done my share of tours throughout China. Coming from a family that are buddhists the manner in which Chinese practice is very different than the Thai, in general in my opinion we don't take it so serious nor do we have to pray so much by going to the temple. Another opinion from me is that for a country that prays and adhere to so much trandition then go out in the morning and do completely the opposite sometimes makes me wonder.
In general particularly the southern Chinese are very loud and pushy they must be Hakka like my family. In the old days at family gathering they are loud and in time they get even louder. You are correct it is common sense when someone is praying one doesn't walk in front, if they have to they usually lower their head and body some. Just the fact when your lovely girlfriend told them to move behind and they didn't complain and walk behind lead me to believe they didn't know regardless of being a tourist as we all know being a tourist in groups sometimes people do stupid things and not out of respect.
Being in lot of tours throughout Asia I in your case blame the tour guide and the Thais who recieve the group to be the blame for not explaining to the Chinese Tour guide the tradition. And I like you a hypocrite (not being religious etc) or atheist I do go just to make the misses happy just like you? But I know many True Atheist and they never would venture into a temple even for pussy so I wouldn't consider you a Atheist but as Thai say " up to you "
LBM
Wolvenvacht
07-01-12, 13:10
For something different I thought I would go for a no holds barred visit to the Gogo bars of Nana and Cowboy and find me the most smoking hot girl possible and pay whatever was required with no regard to cost. What a dissapointment the evening turned out to be.
I visited Baccara, Kiss, Tilac, Rainbow 4, Mandarin, Angel Witch, and about 5 others inbetween. Despite all that I still came away empty handed with just the search having cost me well over 1, 000 baht (some bars I just poked my head in, others I sat down and had a drink and bought drinks for girls).
There were some ok looking girls but absolutely NO stunners at all. Of the better looking girls the attitudes were soso at best. Having been here long enough I know which girls that charm will dissapear from as soon as the barfine is paid. Seeing good looking girls who are asking for 2, 000 baht short time (we are talking the top 20% of the bar) plus the bar fine and then the short time room and just KNOWING you will get perfunctory service at best was just completely unnappealing.From my previous posts you will see I am a big fan of the agogo bars in Soi Cowboy, BUT only for LT.
I feel that if you take a girl out of an agogo for ST, she has the (vain) hope of getting back to her establishment and score another ST / LT that evening, so you are more likely than not to get a rushed service from a girl who has no intention of spending any extra time to make you "happy". Then you are indeed better off in a soapy or an oily.
But if you can invest the time for LT, then agogos are second to none IMHO.
L.
For me the BEST service and best experience in Bangkok is in the massage places. Always has been and always will be. Its where you find the Thailand experience that you read about and the attitude is ALWAYS infinitely better.With my limited experience, I agree. Some time ago I was coming on the MRT from visiting a friend, got on Sutthisan, I believe. As I entered the car I noticed a real sweet looking girl standing there in a nice dress. I smiled she smiled back. I greeted her, telling her she looked very pretty. She smiled and returned the compliment with a thank you. We chatted for a moment with me leaning into her close enough to whisper in her ear being as discreet as possible. She smelled good like Channel perfume. After a moment I joked I should be spending the rest of the afternoon with her, to my surprise she said she couldn't do all after noon however I could have a two hour session. I backed up and looked, she said she worked at EZ massage over on Soi 24.
Needless to say it was everything I wanted, and have repeated a couple of times, Cat is her name and she is not afraid to get any jizz on her or in her mouth.
This happened another time when I was getting on the BTS at On Nut, same thing, met a cutie and chatting she invited me to come over for a massage. Both times better than average service.
Hi All,
My first time posting in this form. In the DR it is truly $40 ST with your own room. In Thailand it is not against protocol to use your own room is it? Do the other costs really nickel and dime the price to the $110 just for ST? ! If so. Wow.
Is there a sticky post anywhere for the newbies, detailing the where to go's, places to stay, things to watch out for, diversions, etc? A sticky would be really nice. I saw the sukhumvit-psycho website which seems kind of useless. I know about the reports of distinction, BK hotels thread. One friend says to go just for the soapies!Well, those 110$ were a bit ovest spent. Too much LD etc, I would say. Oneof course is free to indulge in spending for a good time. Depends also what the priorities are. If you keep it a minimum, but still ok, you can save some 30. Nevertheless, one way or the other, a couple of hours (that is a decent ST) will not cost less than 2/2500 baht. Let's face it. Be it with a gogo girl (where you need to add LD and bar fine to the official or negotiated rate) , an oily (where a FS means 1500 plus house fees) , or a soapie (check rates of Annie's as an example). You can still keep it low with a FL at Nana Parking (or along sukhumvit) with a good 1000baht and take her to your hotel. Probably the only way to level down the costs of a decent ST. All this without wandering through the town as a desperate guy in search of the cheapest opportunity, just to rick a box rather than having a good and relaxing time.
Let me preface this all by saying that the first year I was in Bangkok I used to like the Gogo bars and used to barfine girls all the time. I hate all that stuff about "oh it was so much better 10 years ago" and firmly believe it is the individuals perception that changes and NOT the overall scene (anybody turning up in Pattaya or Bangkok for the first time will STILL be as blown away as I was 20 years ago).
It was a good reminder of why I have never seen Gogo's as a P4P option for the last 6 or 7 years. To me it is just a total waste of time.
Why on earth anyone would bother with Gogos is beyond me. Head for the massage places. They are just SOOOO much better in every way. Stunners or not.Go Go bars are where the good looking young women are supposed to be. Ofcourse it varies from bar to bar. Also depends on the time of the day. Most good looking women are barfined early and some are kept for many days.
These bars do offer a good entertainment. Me and my Thai gf liked to go to go go in the evenings just to have couple of drinks and watch and talk. Cannot stay in the room and fuck all the time.
Even if I am alone I like the atmosphere. If I find the right girl I will barfine her.
I have gotten good service from massage girls also. You can take out massage girls for ST or LT to your room. Generally I do not like sex with them in massage places. Regular massage only.
In Pattaya I would go to massage places and ask the boss to show me good looking young girls and I would take the LT. They are happy because no need to work hard that day except have sex with me.
Ofcourse I make her as my gf for dinner and dancing etc.
Only thing is in Massage places only some girls can be taken out. Also depends on how many girls are working that day. But once you become friends with the boss, he or she will help you.
I have used the same tactic in USA also in Korean massage places albeit worked out little more expensive.
NicFrenchy
07-01-12, 14:36
"Very demonstrative and not acting".
You should know by now Nic that that is a contradicion.No, I don't. English being my 3rd language.
How many languages do you speak?
Any suggestion for action of any kind if I'm stuck overnight at or real near Suvarnabhumi Airport?Repeated question gets a repeated answer.
Don't bother staying there. Go to town. Nana is 30' (max 45' with traffic) cab drive away at a cost not over 300 baht.
Heaven will then open to you and you will not regret.
But first RTFF as it seems you didn't yet.
Indeed, Chinese "tourists" are a real pain-in-the-ass lot.
And this is not the only incident we had with groups of Chinese tourists: generally they are loud and show no respect. I really wonder if they act the same in their own country or whether they only do so when abroad.They misbehave everywhere, including their home country. Lining is an option for them. Quite rude behaviour, passing ahead of anybody with elbow movements. Worst experience I had when visiting The Great Wall in the neighbourhood of Bejing. They are also always very loud in their talkings. Discretion is not part of their DNA. Look when you go to a sauna in China and you are taken to rooms. Your moving around is announced by loud shouting from one guy to the other.
Just my opinion as a Chinese. And I like you a hypocrite (not being religious etc) or atheist I do go just to make the misses happy just like you? But I know many True Atheist and they never would venture into a temple even for pussy so I wouldn't consider you a Atheist but as Thai say " up to you "
LBMOne can still visit churches, temples, mosques as part of his personal culture enrichment, regardless of his own belief or the fact there is some pussy along.
NicFrenchy
07-01-12, 14:55
You seem to still be too busy with other things to share your long-ago-promised / never-delivered 'system'. [wink] I remember a while back, one guy came up with a detailed system for picking up on the internet, and he shared it here. You shot it down and said your system was better. We're still waiting for that.Well, you seemed to have read between the lines, I said my system was different and that my system yielded higher conversion.
But sorry your whole life depends on that report, I'll post it whenever I feel like it and now, I don't have the motivation to do so [wink]
I have shared my system with a Senior member here, one that I meet and know and I reckon he has had good success with it already.
To each their own.
The thing I said about the other dude's system was that his contact / sex ratio could never be higher than mine as he depends on volume (contacting many girls on a daily basis) and I focus on a much lower number but only girls I am really interested in.
Also, as the other dude was recommending, arrange a meet with the girl in a coffee shop, look from afar and if the girl is not nice, just take off. I find this highly unethical and disrespectful. If you like it, your call.
Member #4698
07-01-12, 15:52
dr is a great place to go for the money, but like anywhere, there are caveats. to be successful in the dr you have to be wise to their hustle so am able to eliminate the games involving money / service just because i am language fluent. in thailand i am not expecting the same. i have no idea what level of hustle is pulled so you guys can help me out there too if you please.
in the dr you have to be careful with your hotel allowing one or more girls with you, every night, that are dressed like complete hos with a ho personality to boot. what are things like in thailand? if a girl comes to the hotel with you looking like a complete ho, are they going to let her in with me? qualifying dr hotels will cost you $60night for one of the nicer places with security. the security in the dr will confirep001e the girls i'd and give it back to her when she leaves and there have been no problems.boy are you in for a pleasant surprise. compared to the dr there is 90% less bullshit or "hustle" as you call it in thailand and the pi. in bkk and pattaya the worst thing you have to be unguard for from a go go girl or massage girl is a starfish session. interview the girls before you take one. read her body language and treat her nice. it cuts down on this to almost zero. in ac the one big thing you might face from a bar girl is a runner type. one or two sessions and then at 2am she says she has to take care of granny or her kid. interview them well before you take them, treat them nice and this is not going to happen too often.
i kind of enjoy navigating the dominican hustle and i really don't know what to expect in asia. do they play all the same games that are played in south america? do you ever have to worry about getting ripped off or robbed? what is the pick-pocket scene like. nothing like copacabana or the dr i hope?no games and only a very small chance of getting robbed from a go go bar girl. but prepare your room in advance and put your valuables in the safe or locked up in your suitcase. they may hit your wetbar, but so what. be a good guy and let them enjoy it. there is practicaly no bs in thailand of the type you are used to in the dr. imho there is no comparison between the dr and los period! thai girls are much better in looks, personality, and overall vibe. the girls of the philippines (ac = angeles city) are closer to what you are used to in the dr in terms of looks, but filipinas are the most gfe women in the world, so again ac is so much better than the dr, there is no comparison.
to justify the long and more expensive flight to asia, i recommend you plan at least a 3 week trip. spend a week in bkk, a week pattaya, and 5 days in ac / 2 days in manila. i assure you you won't give another thought to the dr.
some comments and prices:
ac girls come in 2 price points – 1500p lt and 3000plt depending on the bar and girl classification. the price is all inclusive. this is really a good deal considering all the loving you are going to get. the better hotels are a little pricey ($75 to $100 / night) , but there are plenty of cheaper alternatives. every place is girl friendly – multiple girl friendly! so have a party and take as many girls as you want back to your hotel room.
bkk (this is a great world class city so prices are on the high side. on the other hand, this is where you will find the most beautiful thai girls.)
bkk girls 1. go go's – 600bk bar fine plus 1500 – 2000bk for st / 3000bk lt depending on the girl. 2. oily massage parlors – around 2000bk inclusive for 2 hours porn star experience. read up on mango & snow white. 3. soapies – anywhere from 2000bk to 6000bk for 90 minutes depending on the place and the class of girl selected. this is the venue with the best looking girls. think classy men's club. there is a hotel glut and so hotels are very reasonable in bkk. all price ranges. make sure your hotel is girl friendly before booking.
pat – this place is the epic center for thai pussy. there are more girls here per square meter than anywhere else in the world. you have to see it to believe it!
girls are available at many price points. 1. walking street go go's – 600 – 1000bk bar fine and 1500bk – 2000bk st / 2500bk – 4000bk lt depending on the bar and the girl. top talent is here. 2. lk metro go go's – 600bk bar fine 1500bk st / 2500bk lt. soi 6 bars – 300 bar fine and charge for use of a room upstairs and 700 st. coconut bar (fl's on beach road) 500 - 700bk st / 1000bk to 1500bk max lt.
like bkk, there are many hotels to choose from at reasonable prices. make sure your hotel is girl friendly before booking.
manila is a damn good place too. there is lots of action. burgos st bars are the most expensive option – average is 4000p lt, but could go higher. edsa entertainment complex a little less, around 4000p lt. havana (greenbelt 3) fl's - 2000p lt. manila bay club fl's 1000p to 1500p max st / 2500p lt max. all hotels are gf.
i hope this helps. my main point is asia is going to blow you away. don't hesitate to come here. some guys who have been here a real long time get very picky. they forget what it felt like the first 10 times they visited asia. i assure you that you will love bangkok and everything it has to offer, you will be blown away by pattaya, and you will not believe ac and those friendly filipinas. you will kick yourself in the ass that you hung around the dr for so long when you could have been enjoying the real thing in asia.
one more thing, this being your first trip, i would try the all major venues of a particular destination you choose. for example, in bkk hit at least 4 go go's, at least one oily massage parlor and at least one soapy and see which type of venue and girl works best for you. ditto for pattaya; hit at least 5 walking street go go's, visit some soi 6 bars, check out the lk metro area, and take a walk down beach road. ac is pretty much a one horse town (like the wild west). there is basically only girly bars. a hundred or so. some are large show places others are smaller more intimate places. fields and perimeter are the same street. every bar on fields is easy walking distance. take a tuk tuk to the perimeter bars. rtff!
main thing – have fun.
For me the BEST service and best experience in Bangkok is in the massage places. Always has been and always will be. Its where you find the Thailand experience that you read about and the attitude is ALWAYS infinitely better.This reminds me of a time not too long ago when I was getting on the MTS, I entered the car and immediately.
Found my self standing next a real cutie. We exchanged pleasantries and I admired her nice tight body. I leaned in close enough to
Inhale her fragrance and look into her eyes, said something like I should go with you this afternoon. She replied "up to you"!
She works at EZ massage off of Soi 24 her name is Cat, she is not afraid to get cum on her or in her mouth.
A bit prior to this I met a cute little spinner down at On Nut BTS she was also a massage girl, both of these girls have provided better than average service.
I never have been a fan of going to a go go bar, Fucking overrated over priced bad attitude bitches, that have nothing over a chick that's really wanting.
Stand out amongst the crowd.
Indeed, it is one form of MP. You have the regular MPs with no hanky-panky allowed; you have the MPS that will give you a happy ending (HJ of BJ) ; the "oilies" that include FS (some of them even allowing multiple pops) and the "soapies" that have a bath routine including BBBJ and FS.There are two places I read about with multiple pops. They are the Devils Den and Eden. They are high on my interest list.
Speaking some Thai (even if it is limited to the general "sawadee khrap" greeting, but don't "wai" her) will help to create a better feeling. Asking her name and then calling her "name-ja" ("ja" has the meaning of "lovely") from time to time, can do no harm too.Iam going to see if there is an app for my iPhone for a Rosetta stone or Sybervision language learning. It makes a huge difference in potential service. BTW-This raises another topic of cell phones. I have my US cell phone ATT plan and have no idea if Thailand travel will prompt ATT to rake me over the coals for using it there. What do mongers usually do from a smart phone perspective? It is somewhat important in the DR for off hours hook-ups / repeats with girls. I am guessing more-so in Thailand with the over abundance of girls. Trying to find that same girl would be like trying to find the needle in the haystack.
Most of the agogo girls change into t-shirt and jeans before coming with you and they look just like 90% of all the other girls on the street. Don't hold hands or kiss / hug her on the streets because that will certainly "mark" her as a SW. She will walk next to you or follow you to your hotel. Just like a regular Thai GF.
1000. 2000 baht / night will get you something nice and don't worry: your companion will not look like a hardcore ho. The "walk of shame" thing does not exist in Thailand, business as usual in most of the hotels.Great advice and am happy to hear this. I know about the Hotels Thread but it is full of posters banter. I was hoping to see there, a list of all the monger preferred hotels, having prices, pluses and minuses, website, etc. I maintain a list over on the DR threads (see post 237 on the Sosua Hotels threads). Having something like this saves tons of time deciding where to hotel-up with all the pluses / minuses that go with the different places.
My information is probably outdated. But I seem to remember talk of BJ bars where the beer drinking patron scoots his stool / chair / body further under the table. He then gets a BJ from girls crawling around under the tables which is completely out of everybodys vision. I thought this was Thailand. Does this kind of stuff exist?
In mainland China, the amount of money you have has an inverse relation with the amount of class you have, unlike most places elsewhere. And simply put, it is because the vast majority of wealth there is ill-gotten, and you cannot buy class. Which makes the the knowledge they were giving my girl the going-over all the more grating. (And as if those porkers aren't buying hookers in their homeland.)I know exactly what you are talking about.
Here in the US there is an in-flood of Chinese and I see exactly the same thing going on. I can be standing there a quarter step back from what I am looking at on a table, and the Chinese will squeeze in front of me so they can take a look as well, not realizing what I am looking at only to block 100% of my vision.
The same people when walking down a crowded area, I find myself sidestepping all the Chinese walking towards me like I am a pacman. If I consciously hold my ground I can get them to move so we don't collide. It is like I am playing a game of chicken.
Anyway, I think this is cultural, brought on by a country having too many people, and me being raised to be too-conscious / polite of other people around me.
I agree with your inverse relation theory. I see exactly the same thing here in the good-ole USA in areas of high Chinese population.
Any suggestion for action of any kind if I'm stuck overnight at or real near Suvarnabhumi Airport? I'm pretty much a new comer to this board, albeit a senior member on the brother site. If you happen to stuck over night or for a few hours there are two fishbowls off of King Kaeo road on the west side of the airport. One is called Miracles, not to be confused with hotel of the same name, the hotel about 2 KLM south on the same road.
Directly across the street from Miracles is a little place called Zone Karaoke Both have a decent selection of girls ranging in price from 1500 B to 2500 B. Don't be afraid to negotiate.
The
BTW King Kaeo is pronounced King COW
Be kind enough to post a report.
Boy are you in for a pleasant surprise. Compared to the DR there is 90% less bullshit or "hustle" as you call it in Thailand and the PI.GREAT POST Natty.
I have got to start organizing all this great information before I loose it.
there are two places i read about with multiple pops. they are the devils den and eden. they are high on my interest list.eden is more well known. if you rtf the forum you will get quite a bit of info on it.
iam going to see if there is an app for my iphone for a rosetta stone or sybervision language learning. it makes a huge difference in potential service. btw-this raises another topic of cell phones. i have my us cell phone att plan and have no idea if thailand travel will prompt att to rake me over the coals for using it there. what do mongers usually do from a smart phone perspective? it is somewhat important in the dr for off hours hook-ups / repeats with girls. i am guessing more-so in thailand with the over abundance of girls. trying to find that same girl would be like trying to find the needle in the haystack.if you have att from us have it unlocked and buy a local sim card. if you use att service be prepared to pay anywhere about$2-4 per minute incoming and outgoing. local sim lot cheaper and no charge for incoming.
great advice and am happy to hear this. i know about the hotels thread but it is full of posters banter. i was hoping to see there, a list of all the monger preferred hotels, having prices, pluses and minuses, website, etc. i maintain a list over on the dr threads (see post 237 on the sosua hotels threads). having something like this saves tons of time deciding where to hotel-up with all the pluses / minuses that go with the different places.hotels on sukhumvit are best for 1st time visitor. hotels in all price range from 1 star to 5 star.
my information is probably outdated. but i seem to remember talk of bj bars where the beer drinking patron scoots his stool / chair / body further under the table. he then gets a bj from girls crawling around under the tables which is completely out of everybodys vision. i thought this was thailand. does this kind of stuff exist?dr. bj, [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) and sol comes to mind. rtf for more info. never a fan of bj bars and you can only enjoy it if you put a paper bag over your head after being blindfolded.
Wolvenvacht
07-01-12, 17:11
There are two places I read about with multiple pops. They are the Devils Den and Eden. They are high on my interest list.Eden is in BKK and Devil's Den is in Pattaya. I have never been to Devil's Den, but Eden is something you will want to experience. Rooms with mirrors on all sides and on the ceiling. If you cannot stand seeing yourself fucking, don't go there.
Standard game is two girls and 90 minutes and cum as much as you can. It seems no request is too strange for them. They come to the room with a bag full of "tools" such as dildoes, vibrators, strap-ons. Porn-star experience. Don't go there if you want beautiful girls giving you a GFE. Most of the girls working there are a bit "older", say in their thirties, and have seen some mileage.
If you want multiple pops, the soapies are a good place. Annies offers BBBJ and then FS during a two hour session. Two pops is the standard there. Horny studs might be able to squeeze in (out?) a third pop. Presumably the same goes for the oilies, but I am not a specialist of these. The usual massage shops give you a "happy ending" and that ends the fun.
Iam going to see if there is an app for my iPhone for a Rosetta stone or Sybervision language learning. It makes a huge difference in potential service. BTW-This raises another topic of cell phones. I have my US cell phone ATT plan and have no idea if Thailand travel will prompt ATT to rake me over the coals for using it there. What do mongers usually do from a smart phone perspective? It is somewhat important in the DR for off hours hook-ups / repeats with girls. I am guessing more-so in Thailand with the over abundance of girls. Trying to find that same girl would be like trying to find the needle in the haystack.I bought the cheapest old style NOKIA I could find (only phone and SMS service) and put a pre-paid Thai sim card in. It served all my needs.
Forget about learning Thai quickly, unless you are really into languages. I speak 4 languages fluently and can understand a handful more, but Asian languages escape me (until now). The "tonal" element kills me every time. Just learn a few standard sentences: it will be enough. Then get a Thai GF and let her teach you the language.
Great advice and am happy to hear this. I know about the Hotels Thread but it is full of posters banter. I was hoping to see there, a list of all the monger preferred hotels, having prices, pluses and minuses, website, etc. I maintain a list over on the DR threads (see post 237 on the Sosua Hotels threads). Having something like this saves tons of time deciding where to hotel-up with all the pluses / minuses that go with the different places.Goto.
http://booking.com
(or similar web-sites) and choose any hotel in the lower numbered Thanon Sukhumvit area (say up to Soi 30 or so) , chances are extremely high they will be "guest friendly" if you buy a double room. In case of doubt, just e-mail them and ask. Booking.com has good users' reviews. Check out the "solo traveler" reports. Or go to.
http://www.bargirlfriendlyhotels.com/bangkok-girl-friendly-hotels/
But many many more guest-friendly hotels are available than on this list.
My information is probably outdated. But I seem to remember talk of BJ bars where the beer drinking patron scoots his stool / chair / body further under the table. He then gets a BJ from girls crawling around under the tables which is completely out of everybodys vision. I thought this was Thailand. Does this kind of stuff exist?Of course it exists! Star of Light is the archetypical BJ-bar, sleazy as sleazy goes, but there are others too. For a funny description of SOL, look here:
http://bangkokbarfine.wordpress.com/2011/02/06/star-of-light-bangkok/
Dr. BJ is the latest addition to this kind of service providers, but it is not a "bar" where you get your BJ at the bar. You choose your girl and take her to an on-premisse room. You will find it in the same soi as Eden.
Etaoin2003
07-01-12, 17:24
i seem to remember talk of bj bars where the beer drinking patron scoots his stool / chair / body further under the table. he then gets a bj from girls crawling around under the tables which is completely out of everybodys vision. i thought this was thailand. does this kind of stuff exist?sounds like sol. never been to sol, but at [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s you choose from a crowd of girls sitting around outside (go early for good lighting) , then go upstairs and sit on a ratty bench that can be curtained off for the head-bobbing treat. 800 for service but it's pretty mechanical.
dr. bj's salon, which is new, is another option. there i think you select your girl and head off to a small room with a recliner. much discussion of bj's. search the forum.
both of them offer full service options at higher prices.
Well, you seemed to have read between the lines, I said my system was different and that my system yielded higher conversion.
But sorry your whole life depends on that report, I'll post it whenever I feel like it and now, I don't have the motivation to do so [wink]
I have shared my system with a Senior member here, one that I meet and know and I reckon he has had good success with it already.
To each their own.
The thing I said about the other dude's system was that his contact / sex ratio could never be higher than mine as he depends on volume (contacting many girls on a daily basis) and I focus on a much lower number but only girls I am really interested in.
Also, as the other dude was recommending, arrange a meet with the girl in a coffee shop, look from afar and if the girl is not nice, just take off. I find this highly unethical and disrespectful. If you like it, your call.Nic, I believe you had already shared your systeam. First have online chat with the girl, then on webcam, if you like the girl then develop relationship with her, call her and sleep with her. Do not repeat the girl unless she is awesome.
Dear readers,
After an absence of about one year I finally arrived at BKK again.
The first place I entered was 'Lollipop' at Sukhumvit Soi 10.
When you walk on Sukhumvit from Nana its the first soi after the park at your right.
For your convenience they have placed a nice sign with an arrow and an inviting picture.
I entered this BJ-bar at around 0940 am and was greeted by a friendly young girl which name I already forgot really fast.
A fast glimps along the girls faces made my decision by choosing this girl to help me unload my load.
We entered the building and the woman behind the counter asked me if I wanted a drink.
I asked for some water and the girl of my choice grabbed her working-gear, some disinfecting wet towels.
We walked through the door and walked to the back of the building passing a vapourising animal for some scented air.
I entered a room and sat down at a big lounge-chair while being naked from the waist down.
The girl was gone for a couple of seconds and entered the room while I was sitting with a hard-on.
She started to clean my cock and when it was done she started her job.
She sucked my cock slowly with some hand-action.
It felt good but she didn't suck really deep.
She was open for some corrections and followed directions.
I was already satisfied for my 700 Baht.
I was really horny and when I felt it was time to cum I shot it all in her mouth.
Satisfied and up and running in 20 minutes.
'Lollipop' gave me a good first experience and I can recommend it!
Gr. Rick666
Harry Dude
07-01-12, 20:06
This raises another topic of cell phones. I have my US cell phone ATT plan and have no idea if Thailand travel will prompt ATT to rake me over the coals for using it there. What do mongers usually do from a smart phone perspective? It is somewhat important in the DR for off hours hook-ups / repeats with girls. I am guessing more-so in Thailand with the over abundance of girls. Trying to find that same girl would be like trying to find the needle in the haystack.As others have pointed out, ATT will indeed rake you over the coals as you say. Getting a local SIM card is essential, especially if you want to use the internet on your smartphone. I find that being able to consult ISG is extremely useful.
When you arrive at BKK airport, go to any one of the mobile phone stores on Level 2. I used DTAC, and got a new SIM with a local number and 30 days of all you can eat local calling and internet access. This cost less than 900 baht, and was extremely useful. I am sure the other providers have similar deals. The whole process took less than 15 minutes, including activation of service.
Let me preface this all by saying that the first year I was in Bangkok I used to like the Gogo bars and used to barfine girls all the time. I hate all that stuff about "oh it was so much better 10 years ago" and firmly believe it is the individuals perception that changes and NOT the overall scene (anybody turning up in Pattaya or Bangkok for the first time will STILL be as blown away as I was 20 years ago).
Last night having just come back from that god awful place Dubai and with the wife away I was pretty desperate to bust a nut. For something different I thought I would go for a no holds barred visit to the Gogo bars of Nana and Cowboy and find me the most smoking hot girl possible and pay whatever was required with no regard to cost. What a dissapointment the evening turned out to be.
I visited Baccara, Kiss, Tilac, Rainbow 4, Mandarin, Angel Witch, and about 5 others inbetween. Despite all that I still came away empty handed with just the search having cost me well over 1, 000 baht (some bars I just poked my head in, others I sat down and had a drink and bought drinks for girls).
There were some ok looking girls but absolutely NO stunners at all. Of the better looking girls the attitudes were soso at best. Having been here long enough I know which girls that charm will dissapear from as soon as the barfine is paid. Seeing good looking girls who are asking for 2, 000 baht short time (we are talking the top 20% of the bar) plus the bar fine and then the short time room and just KNOWING you will get perfunctory service at best was just completely unnappealing.
It was a good reminder of why I have never seen Gogo's as a P4P option for the last 6 or 7 years. To me it is just a total waste of time. I think it says a lot about Bangkok that an extremely horny guy with an unlimited budget can visit the best gogo's in Bangkok and a load of others in between and still walk away empty handed (I recognise that a lot of that is to do with me being jaded by the scene). All this is to mention nothing of the scores of single guys sitting on their own on one side of the bar while the girls all sit alone on the other side of the bar playing angry birds (pun intended).
So after 3 hours of searching I walked down Soi 23 on my way home and saw a delightful 20 year old in one of those massage parlours there. She was'ny the best girl I had seen but like so many non gogo places she was bright, friendly and bubbly and for 1, 500 baht all in you just KNOW you will have a great time. Great massage, BBJ, full sex and cum on her tits, fun girl, great personality, warm, welcoming and excellent value for money.
For me the BEST service and best experience in Bangkok is in the massage places. Always has been and always will be. Its where you find the Thailand experience that you read about and the attitude is ALWAYS infinitely better.
Why on earth anyone would bother with Gogos is beyond me. Head for the massage places. They are just SOOOO much better in every way. Stunners or not.Agreed with 1000. Nowhere in this country have I felt more like an ATM than in gogo bars. The places like Baccara or Rainbow 4 these days are just rip off joints beyond belief, with attitudes a mile long to boot. Of course everyone has their own likes, but being someone who favors Thai-Chinese lookalikes with white skin, needless to say, the gogos can be sorely lacking. I'd also say that in most of the gogos I have been in, on a given night the average talent at the Thermae is far superior. Granted, most of the girls there only want Japanese customers, but if you are going to blow 2000 +6-700+2 lady drinks (already over 3000) , you can flash 2000 at the right Thermae stunner and be off. The main plus of the gogos is that the girls are young and you can see what you are getting, but having been here long enough, I tend to look for something a little more interesting than just hot young without much of a clue or much to say. With you all the way, go to an oily, find a freelancer, but leave the gogos for the first timers.
LittleBigMan
07-02-12, 02:27
They misbehave everywhere, including their home country. Lining is an option for them. Quite rude behaviour, passing ahead of anybody with elbow movements. Worst experience I had when visiting The Great Wall in the neighbourhood of Bejing. They are also always very loud in their talkings. Discretion is not part of their DNA. Look when you go to a sauna in China and you are taken to rooms. Your moving around is announced by loud shouting from one guy to the other.Rudness is your definition but to the Chinese it is the norm! Not only in China but in Chinatown in San Francisco where I grew up! There have been many times I was buying things waiting in line and my own people cut in from as if I'm invisiable? There are times I let it go there are times I don't? If they are older than me I let it go only if I'm feeling good that day and they don't look like they are dying. There is a bus line in S. F. Call the 30 Stockton it runs from a rich area to downtown and it has to run through Chinatown. If all the pushing and noise bothers you if you ever visit S. F. Stay off this bus. Last year I believe on Youtube, a black women insulted a Chinese women she was around 30 plus and fat. The black women got her ass Kung fu until she jumped off the bus.
Don't let the Thais off the hook, one might be sensitive in a temple but the Thais are no different than the Chinese? If there isn't a line like at a 7/11 they are just as pushy and cut in front of you like you didn't exist. Like I said its not rudeness it's embedded into their culture just like the way the Thais drive! If you confront a driver as to what they just did you would be in a fight right there and now because what they did is what they do all day long. It is the norm for you to tell them otherwise you are asking for a fight? To them it isn't rude!
When one travels they have to except their ways and culture at time whether you like it or not... America, Europe etc... no exception!
LBM
LittleBigMan
07-02-12, 02:48
One can still visit churches, temples, mosques as part of his personal culture enrichment, regardless of his own belief or the fact there is some pussy along.That's how I think too why let a belief get in the way of getting some pussy! As I said the atheist in the USA stands firm in their belief. Here you can't even do the Pledge, Can't put up a cross, Can't do this Can't do that nothing to do with the word God? Either you believe or you don't, I read enough the last few days that I can judge either you have a noodle for a spine or not. It seems odd that one would be so accomodating to every complain a Thai women makes regarding how the Chinese act in Thailand. Quoting the poster " I hate the fucking Chinese " I'm sure there is much more involved in his experience with the Chinese that a little pushing, staring, talking, and being loud in a temple. I'm not saying one bit he is racist it seems he is overcome with some deep bad experience in my opinion with the Chinese but I'm sure that isn't going to stop him from getitng some Chinese pussy?
LBM
regarding how the Chinese act in Thailand. Quoting the poster " I hate the fucking Chinese " I'm sure there is much more involved in his experience with the Chinese that a little pushing, staring, talking, and being loud in a temple. I'm not saying one bit he is racist it seems he is overcome with some deep bad experienceYou forgot the spitting, the loogies. And the smoking. Same behavior they exhibit back in the PRC.
Quoting the poster " I hate the fucking Chinese " I'm sure there is much more involved in his experience with the Chinese that a little pushing, staring, talking, and being loud in a temple. I'm not saying one bit he is racist it seems he is overcome with some deep bad experience in my opinion with the Chinese but I'm sure that isn't going to stop him from getitng some Chinese pussy?
LBMOr at the very least, a Blow Job!
Repeated question gets a repeated answer.
Don't bother staying there. Go to town. Nana is 30' (max 45' with traffic) cab drive away at a cost not over 300 baht.
Heaven will then open to you and you will not regret.
But first RTFF as it seems you didn't yet.And how do you do it?
At what time will you arrive and how long will you be "stuck" at the airport? Will you be between international flights (which means you have to pass through immigration two times) or domestic flights? Have you been in Thailand before and know how to deal with taxis and such? Do you want a "massage" (regular with happy ending, oily or soapy) or porn-style threesome sex?Been here done that, just have not had to be at Suvarnabhumi for an extened time and looking for good advice to make it easier.
Porn-style twosome sex will do! I just have to meet a friend arriving on a morning flight and need to stay at an airport location for the night.
I'm pretty much a new comer to this board, albeit a senior member on the brother site. If you happen to stuck over night or for a few hours there are two fishbowls off of King Kaeo road on the west side of the airport. One is called Miracles, not to be confused with hotel of the same name, the hotel about 2 KLM south on the same road.
Directly across the street from Miracles is a little place called Zone Karaoke Both have a decent selection of girls ranging in price from 1500 B to 2500 B. Don't be afraid to negotiate.
The
BTW King Kaeo is pronounced King COW
Be kind enough to post a report.King Kaeo64? King Kaeo45? How far from Thanon Lat Krabang road?
Rudness is your definition but to the Chinese it is the norm! Not only in China but in Chinatown in San Francisco where I grew up! (snip)LBMI thought they moved Chinatown out to the Richmond, and the Avenues west of 19th?
I remember many good meals as a kid at the Universal Cafe. Driving home along Broadway past views of go-go dancers high above the street in glass boxes.
Later, in high school, we used to go to Sam Wo's to see Edsel's greasy bag of photos and eat bad noodles.
After, we'd stop in a Li Po for a shot of Unga Pei and a good buzz to face the biting chill of the late night wind and fog.
LBM, thanks for the memories.
I'm not saying one bit he is racist it seems he is overcome with some deep bad experience in my opinion with the Chinese but I'm sure that isn't going to stop him from getitng some Chinese pussy?
LBMOr at the very least, negotiating for a blow job!
LittleBigMan
07-02-12, 09:18
I thought they moved Chinatown out to the Richmond, and the Avenues west of 19th?
I remember many good meals as a kid at the Universal Cafe. Driving home along Broadway past views of go-go dancers high above the street in glass boxes.
Later, in high school, we used to go to Sam Wo's to see Edsel's greasy bag of photos and eat bad noodles.
After, we'd stop in a Li Po for a shot of Unga Pei and a good buzz to face the biting chill of the late night wind and fog.
LBM, thanks for the memories.Fon Tok,
Universal cafe is now closed due to many infraction by the health department. Sam Wo's has faced the same since it can't keep up with the codes in that building. The dumb waiter use to be kept grease by all the cooking oil in the place. Broadway street and the go go's are nearly all gone and thankfully so!
Chinatown is still there but there are so many of us through the years we have moved out to the Richmond and now the Sunset is the largest poplution of Asians in S. F. Taravel, Noriega, Judah. Just home three weeks ago I was eating at the USA Cafe and talking to a guy that has lived there for 10 years and growing up in the neighborhood told him all the places that are gone now.
LBM
What is RTFF?
And how do you do it?RTFF = Read The F*cking Forum. Advice to a newbie to do their own research before asking questions on topics which have been covered may times, or asking for information which is readily available in the age of the internet and google.
SunLover
LittleBigMan
07-02-12, 12:11
You forgot the spitting, the loogies. And the smoking. Same behavior they exhibit back in the PRC.I know exactly what you are talking about along with the smoking? Not just PRC. I was my bike the other day going at a leisure pace the Thai guy in front of me I noticed took his left hand place it on his nose blow out a wet noodle liter of loogies and was ready to throw it down. I swung to the right and past him before it smack me in the face!
LBM
If nic were a bargirl he would be the one on stage pruning and preening while looking in the mirror the whole time. Then at the end of the night, week, and year would wonder why he never gets barfined. Hahahaha! Too full of shit!Haha. Very true!
King Kaeo64? King Kaeo45? How far from Thanon Lat Krabang road?About 2 maybe 3 k south?
You're going to have to do a U turn, and Believe me you can't miss it. The place is lit up like a fucking show palace.
Going south they are going to be on your right side. So when you're on Thanon Lat Krabang and turn south go about 2 or 3 K south. You'll see Miracles first it is the most visible, then you'll see the other right across the soi from it on the same soi
When I'm out and about I never look at street markers, I'm from the south, we go by landmarks! BTW the little noodle shop at the front of the Soi sometimes has FL talent to be had, In fact I'd probably do the chick that runs it. She's seen her better days, however so have I.
Well, you seemed to have read between the lines, I said my system was different and that my system yielded higher conversion.
But sorry your whole life depends on that report, I'll post it whenever I feel like it and now, I don't have the motivation to do so [wink]
I have shared my system with a Senior member here, one that I meet and know and I reckon he has had good success with it already.
To each their own.
The thing I said about the other dude's system was that his contact / sex ratio could never be higher than mine as he depends on volume (contacting many girls on a daily basis) and I focus on a much lower number but only girls I am really interested in.
Also, as the other dude was recommending, arrange a meet with the girl in a coffee shop, look from afar and if the girl is not nice, just take off. I find this highly unethical and disrespectful. If you like it, your call.If either of you are not getting at least 3 or 4 phone numbers a day, with an overnight or at least an afternoon quicky, I'm afraid the book won't sell!
I can go to Siam food court and come away with a sure fire hit. Even my girlfriend was calling bullshit until I demonstrated.
My latest penchant is for those girls in their mid 50's to 60. A touch of grey and refinement. I never ask about the other guy, cause they all have one.
All I'm seeing here is a bunch of dudes posting how much of an expert they are, But no reports of a girl using too much hand when she was blowing you, that you met on BTS, or the temple.
BastardGuy
07-02-12, 15:55
Hey lads,
Great forum and lots going on in the BKK subsection. I am a newbie looking to get out to Thailand finally and I was under the impression that there used to be a sticky of sorts containing all kinds of relevant newbie infos, (the usual, such as gf hotels, areas to go and avoid, dos and donts as well as some indication on pricing).
I went through the 10 pages of posts in the BKK subsection (as this where I'll be heading) and picked up some valuable info. Can someone direct me to wherever the stickies have gone (it was Giotto's forum or some such thing). Again, apologies for asking, but as much as I like reading first hand accounts, it does not really help me with my research to hit the ground running.
Thanks, cheers.
BG
dear forum,
at the end of day 1 i ended@hillary's for playing some pool and having a drink.
the girls are kinda pushy by selling drinks but theres a good atmosphere and nice live music.
its nice to see young girls playing pool in high heels and short skirts.
on day 2 i entered hillary's in daytime and a nice young girl i saw the night before started to talk to me and we ended at playing pool.
she kinda made me hot and i took her with me for some afternoon fun.
at my hotel room in my bed she didn't want to smoke but after some persuasion she took it like a champ.
deep thrusts and good suck-action made me come really fast.
i somewhat over-payed (1500) but it didn't bother me.
it was a satisfying experience and she was gone after 90 minutes.
around 9 i entered '[CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s' for a session with a girl i knew from 7 years ago when she just started to work over there.
her name is jinn.
the seven years experience you'll notice by her performance.
good suck-action, licking and deep-throating.
i came in her mouth with joy and fully satisfied.
recommended!
gr. rick666
If either of you are not getting at least 3 or 4 phone numbers a day, with an overnight or at least an afternoon quicky, I'm afraid the book won't sell!
I can go to Siam food court and come away with a sure fire hit. Even my girlfriend was calling bullshit until I demonstrated.
My latest penchant is for those girls in their mid 50's to 60. A touch of grey and refinement. I never ask about the other guy, cause they all have one.
All I'm seeing here is a bunch of dudes posting how much of an expert they are, But no reports of a girl using too much hand when she was blowing you, that you met on BTS, or the temple."Girls" in their mid 50's to 60 aren't girls; they're grandma's.
Most of us here are interested in the former.
Traveler1234
07-03-12, 00:21
I went through the 10 pages of posts in the BKK subsection (as this where I'll be heading) and picked up some valuable info. Can someone direct me to wherever the stickies have gone (it was Giotto's forum or some such thing). Again, apologies for asking, GLots of banter here. No stickies. Closest is reports of distinction thread.
Something useful then. Ok I've been reading the posts for the past month or so and frankly I have found nothing new (with few exceptions) about where to get a good shag in Bangkok at a reasonable price. So I will share my recent experiences. Best root recently was with Focus in EZ Soi 26, young, killer bod and when you get her going both a fun and highly responsive experience. Now it takes because of her age. 18 patience but well worth the effort. Incidently while they will try do not pay full whack up front. Also recently had a great experience at Tarntip Soi 7/1, ostensibly a straight up massage shop that I happened upon where a young very cute lass called cannot remeber but sounded like Jim or Jam gave the most amazing erotic massage that I have had in LOS. Limited to a HJ but her guiding your hand exploring firstly her clothed body that after a little feigned reluctance becomes her naked body ends with a technically superior as they say in Thailand finish. 500 and she was more than happy.A feature of enjoying the p4p scene that gets overlooked is the real enjoyment that comes from getting to better know a girl. It is difficult on a short visit but if you have the time and you have had a great experience it is almost always more enjoyable second time around. The girl knows you, there is no apprehension on her part and both parties are more relaxed. I'm not talking a relationship here just the regular customer / provider situation. A case in point was my third visit to Tarntip where my young lady seemed (but as others have pointed out who knows for sure) happy to see me and looked after me very well indeed.
Wolvenvacht
07-03-12, 04:23
Can someone direct me to wherever the stickies have gone (it was Giotto's forum or some such thing). Again, apologies for asking, but as much as I like reading first hand accounts, it does not really help me with my research to hit the ground running.No stickies here and for a good reason: other than a few things which don't change ("hotels are girl-friendly" and "pussy is for sale") , things are apt to change without notice.
King Kaeo64? King Kaeo45? How far from Thanon Lat Krabang road?It's King Kaeo 45
Tony Hoeprano
07-03-12, 07:25
All I'm seeing here is a bunch of dudes posting how much of an expert they are, But no reports of a girl using too much hand when she was blowing you, that you met on BTS, or the temple.Not really on here, but I've read on other forums, guys will say how easy it is to pull regular Thai girls from places like Siam Square or mostly Thai nightclubs, they're either delusional or intentionally trying to lead guys astray by getting their hopes up only to find out what really goes on once they get here. With many Thai girls its pretty much impossible to pull for farangs. That's just the way it is. But the nice thing is there's a huge pool of talent out there, but for some reason I see quite often arund On Nut is many farangs are selling themselves short by going after complete Soi mutts LOL
"Girls" in their mid 50's to 60 aren't girls; they're grandma's.
Most of us here are interested in the former.LOL.
In Asia any girl over 25 is pretty much a grandmother!
If you have ATT from Us have it unlocked and buy a local SIM card. If you use ATT service be prepared to pay anywhere about$2-4 per minute incoming and outgoing. Local SIM lot cheaper and no charge for incoming.Have you or anyone else here unlocked an Iphone 4S for Thailand?
I am not sure what the unlocking implies. Does the unlocking affect my ability to upgrade to the next OS release? If I do make it to the next OS release, does this erase the previously hacked unlocking? That is, if I am over there and the next OS is released, do I start from scratch again and have to unlock again?
Have you or anyone else here unlocked an Iphone 4S for Thailand?
I am not sure what the unlocking implies. Does the unlocking affect my ability to upgrade to the next OS release? If I do make it to the next OS release, does this erase the previously hacked unlocking? That is, if I am over there and the next OS is released, do I start from scratch again and have to unlock again?I bought unlocked 4S from Apple Thailand web site last February, and I'm using it.
There is no problem ay any site.
Have you or anyone else here unlocked an Iphone 4S for Thailand?
I am not sure what the unlocking implies. Does the unlocking affect my ability to upgrade to the next OS release? If I do make it to the next OS release, does this erase the previously hacked unlocking? That is, if I am over there and the next OS is released, do I start from scratch again and have to unlock again?There is "Unlocking" and there is "Jailbraking" and one of the two does affect your ability to install further updates. Sorry, but I forget which is which but a Google search should quickly answer the question.
I had both done to a 1st generation AT&T iphone at MBK in Bangkok for B400 and it works very well. There certainly are shops in TUC COMM, Pattaya that can do the same.
Not really on here, but I've read on other forums, guys will say how easy it is to pull regular Thai girls from places like Siam Square or mostly Thai nightclubs, they're either delusional or intentionally trying to lead guys astray by getting their hopes up only to find out what really goes on once they get here. With many Thai girls its pretty much impossible to pull for farangs. That's just the way it is. But the nice thing is there's a huge pool of talent out there, but for some reason I see quite often arund On Nut is many farangs are selling themselves short by going after complete Soi mutts LOLYoung guys in the 25-40 age range who know how to dress and handle themselves can do very well outside the P4P scene, especially in Bangkok's many upscale shopping malls. I'm in my 60's but I have a friend in his early 30's who I occasionally meet for lunch at Paragon.
He has a great job with a US company and is always well groomed. I'm always drop-jawed at both the quantity and the quality of the girls who blatantly hit on him, some handing him cards with their numbers. Funny thing is he is VERY married and never touches them; like having only a tossed salad at a steakhouse.
RTFF = Read The F*cking Forum. Advice to a newbie to do their own research before asking questions on topics which have been covered may times, or asking for information which is readily available in the age of the internet and google.
SunLoverActually; isn't it "Read The Fu*+ing FAQ" rather than "Forum"? Reading all the forum's to find specific facts would take days while a "FAQ" is a distillation of all the most relevant information that has appeared on the forum.
Young guys in the 25-40 age range who know how to dress and handle themselves can do very well outside the P4P scene, especially in Bangkok's many upscale shopping malls. I'm in my 60's but I have a friend in his early 30's who I occasionally meet for lunch at Paragon.
He has a great job with a US company and is always well groomed. I'm always drop-jawed at both the quantity and the quality of the girls who blatantly hit on him, some handing him cards with their numbers. Funny thing is he is VERY married and never touches them; like having only a tossed salad at a steakhouse.Describe the girls that hit on your friend.
Rudness is your definition but to the Chinese it is the norm!When one travels they have to except their ways and culture at time whether you like it or not. America, Europe etc. no exception!LBMIt is indeed my opinion according to my standard. I am not here to educate a few billion of chiense, of course, but I feel free to remark the attitude. And, yes, I travel the world sufficiently to see and accept everyone's culture, habits. But, again, this doesn't stop my thinking. I still think they are rude (for me). It certainly is the norm, no doubt, otherwise one would not notice a guy occasionally spitting, a few people elbowing their way, or some people shouting around (this is more popular worldwide also in other nationalities, inclduing mine, but I do believe a less loud speaking is better). A few people do not break the news.
And how do you do it?Well. The basics suggest you click on a hot link (*) at the left of your screen and reading Forum Abbreviations.
It will link you to http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/custompages.php?pageid=custompages_abbreviations
(*) if the expression "hot link" does not ring any bell, well. Do not ask in which Soi you can find it, please!
LittleBigMan
07-03-12, 13:58
It is indeed my opinion according to my standard. I am not here to educate a few billion of chiense, of course, but I feel free to remark the attitude. And, yes, I travel the world sufficiently to see and accept everyone's culture, habits. But, again, this doesn't stop my thinking. I still think they are rude (for me). It certainly is the norm, no doubt, otherwise one would not notice a guy occasionally spitting, a few people elbowing their way, or some people shouting around (this is more popular worldwide also in other nationalities, inclduing mine, but I do believe a less loud speaking is better). A few people do not break the news.That might be true. And certainly I'm not saying when traveling you have to except everything 100, I haven't been around the world like you but even in the United States which I have traveled in my life time been around enough to have been in situation in the south and with so call hillbillies and you talk about loud and splitting. Ever sit in a smokeout with a bunch of Bubba chewing tobacco, splitting out dark brown juice everwhere and dripping down their beard or mustache? Every race has their little thing including those who think their shit don't stink!
You can mispell and use bad grammer like myself but certainly you will get no respect and push around if you can't even spell Chinese correctly " chiense " and even if the Chinese are rude is that enough to make a person come to the conclusion they " Hate the Chinese "! Shit if that all it takes it's not wonder we are at each other throats?
LBM
you will get no respect and push around if you can't even spell Chinese correctly " chiense "LBMI account those spelling mistakes as a typo. I would also refer to nationalities rather than races, not for the "Politically correct", but take a Chinese guy from Singapore or HK and he will not act as one from PRC etc.
Lots has to do with education and experience in socializing within different circle of peoples. Facts of life.
Young guys in the 25-40 age range who know how to dress and handle themselves can do very well outside the P4P scene, especially in Bangkok's many upscale shopping malls. I'm in my 60's but I have a friend in his early 30's who I occasionally meet for lunch at Paragon.
He has a great job with a US company and is always well groomed. I'm always drop-jawed at both the quantity and the quality of the girls who blatantly hit on him, some handing him cards with their numbers. Funny thing is he is VERY married and never touches them; like having only a tossed salad at a steakhouse.That's the absolute truth. I don't always get a business card, however I do quite well. It's actually flattering. My dentist friend let me drill her!
LittleBigMan
07-03-12, 14:33
I account those spelling mistakes as a typo. I would also refer to nationalities rather than races, not for the "Politically correct", but take a Chinese guy from Singapore or HK and he will not act as one from PRC etc.
Lots has to do with education and experience in socializing within different circle of peoples. Facts of life.I was just pulling your leg about the spelling I had concluded it was a typo. I have been going to HK since the 70's and have venture into the border of China before it was opened. As with H. K I know they are one up or above the PRC, but I've seen plenty of pushing and split in the back alley's. When I'm there I don't do the tourist thing with family I go local and I've seen more than I care too, as for Singapore only been there once in the late 70's so no comment.
LBM
I was just pulling your leg about the spelling I had concluded it was a typo.LBMAhah ah. I know I make these silly typo. I think I built up a typing dislexic problem in the last couple of years. .
Alzhaimer progressing? As long as I can succeed to keep IT hard. I am ok. Don't have to go through long love letters with the girls! LOL
Young guys in the 25-40 age range who know how to dress and handle themselves can do very well outside the P4P scene, especially in Bangkok's many upscale shopping malls. I'm in my 60's but I have a friend in his early 30's who I occasionally meet for lunch at Paragon.
He has a great job with a US company and is always well groomed. I'm always drop-jawed at both the quantity and the quality of the girls who blatantly hit on him, some handing him cards with their numbers. Funny thing is he is VERY married and never touches them; like having only a tossed salad at a steakhouse.For a tourist almost all are P4P in the sense money changes hands. Ofcourse can meet some so called non-pros but ultimately there will be money transaction.
For a expat living there it is possible to get non-pros. However they need to be taken care of. If they have children more so.
I have met some who live there and have a live in GF. They support the girl and her family in spite of them having a job. Well earning thai girls will only look for rich guys to be with preferably with Thai men.
NicFrenchy
07-03-12, 15:39
Haha. Very true!I thought no one was stupid enough to reply to H444. I stand Corrected.
LittleBigMan
07-03-12, 16:10
Ahah ah. I know I make these silly typo. I think I built up a typing dislexic problem in the last couple of years. .
Alzhaimer progressing? As long as I can succeed to keep IT hard. I am ok. Don't have to go through long love letters with the girls! LOLWell, looks like your one up on me?
LBM
Have you or anyone else here unlocked an Iphone 4S for Thailand?
I am not sure what the unlocking implies. Does the unlocking affect my ability to upgrade to the next OS release? If I do make it to the next OS release, does this erase the previously hacked unlocking? That is, if I am over there and the next OS is released, do I start from scratch again and have to unlock again?There is a software code in the phone which stops the user from changing wireless providers. It's like you going over to T-Mobile. If you are a long time customer of AT&T you can ask them to unlock it for you. If they balk remind them how you are a good customer and you would take your business elsewhere. The alternate is to have a independent cell phone shop do it for you. Ask the guys at the AT&T store and they usually know of some one. About $50-60.
Upgrading IOS should not be a problem, however as others have suggested do a Google search.
Last resort get a cheapie phone in Thailand.
Actually; isn't it "Read The Fu*+ing FAQ" rather than "Forum"? Reading all the forum's to find specific facts would take days while a "FAQ" is a distillation of all the most relevant information that has appeared on the forum.Please review the attached screen shot from the "Abbreviations" menu at the top of each page."FAQ" is really a guide to the features of the forum, while "Forum" consists of actual information submitted by the forum members. Sure, it may take some time to read the forum, but surely it will be time well spent; the more one knows about any new destination before arrival the better.
Dear readers,
After some searching on this forum I went to the biggest pharmacy between Soi4 and Bully's Pub.
1 strip Kamagra was 300 baht.
1 strip Apcalis was 400 baht.
1 strip Viagra was 1800 baht.
I didn't haggle or negotiated, the gentleman seemed professional and told this story a lot of times.
Haven't tried them yet but I think they are real.
Gr. Rick666
Not really on here, but I've read on other forums, guys will say how easy it is to pull regular Thai girls from places like Siam Square or mostly Thai nightclubs, they're either delusional or intentionally trying to lead guys astray by getting their hopes up only to find out what really goes on once they get here. With many Thai girls its pretty much impossible to pull for farangs. That's just the way it is. But the nice thing is there's a huge pool of talent out there, but for some reason I see quite often arund On Nut is many farangs are selling themselves short by going after complete Soi mutts LOLMy question to you is a simple one,
Have you come to any resolve, with your dilemma about fucking a lady boy. Does it make you gay?
I bet you're happy every time you get a girls pants off she doesn't have a dick, maybe, maybe not?
Just asking?
Out this morning for a few minutes, Spent last night drinking and having fun, Spied this little cutie.
Total damage 2000, plus room fees.
Total GFE half and half, finished me off with her mouth and hand.
The pics tell most of the story.
GentleBoner
07-04-12, 13:10
Out this morning for a few minutes, Spent last night drinking and having fun, Spied this little cutie.
Total damage 2000, plus room fees.
Total GFE half and half, finished me off with her mouth and hand.
The pics tell most of the story.Vile. You sure she was born female? Gross.
I wouldn't touch that for minus 2000 baht.
I thought no one was stupid enough to reply to H444. I stand Corrected.
Where is your report about how to beat off to Camfrog that you promised us?
NicFrenchy
07-04-12, 16:37
Dear readers,
After some searching on this forum I went to the biggest pharmacy between Soi4 and Bully's Pub.
1 strip Kamagra was 300 baht.
1 strip Apcalis was 400 baht.
1 strip Viagra was 1800 baht.
I didn't haggle or negotiated, the gentleman seemed professional and told this story a lot of times.
Haven't tried them yet but I think they are real.
Gr. Rick666That's a Great post and a Great Start. Would be interesting to see now what each actually does (performance-wise)
NicFrenchy
07-04-12, 16:45
I have tried many places to find an answer on the issue. just a simple finger point will surfice. Thanks in advanceWhat exact info do you seek? Any specifics?
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/printthread.php?t=1034&pp=1000&page=2
Here you go: just hit CTRL+F and type "hua"
The search will return over 100 results!
I still don't understand what a good girl gets by hanging out with a sex tourist for a few days.If you were standing in line at the McDonalds and some hot chick on vacation starts to flirt with you would you push her away from a potential bedroom romp? Girls world-wide are really no different than guys along these lines. You have to stop thinking that girls only F-guys if there is monetary rewards involved. It could not be further from the truth.
Now to answer your question, those Thai girls will get the same thing hanging out with their own local guys as the tourist except they can bang the tourist and not have to see him maybe ever again. Isn't this what you are doing yourself in Thailand? Your just forcing the issue by waving some money around. The girls that might do the tourist thing may be bored and believe she will get some great dinners that her own local guys may not want to pay for, and a nice present or two and at the same time F-a-HOT guy. The tourist more likely will pay a fraction of what he normally would for a ho, and the girl goes along for a free ride and a fling. Girls are the same as guys in the sense that if the guy is hot they will consider f-ing them whether they are tourists or not. Again, girls are really no different than guys along these lines.
Vile. You sure she was born female? Gross.
I wouldn't touch that for minus 2000 baht.I didn't say that was what she asked for, I said thats what I paid. Look at the upside, if you will, With guys like me out doing girls you'd obviously not touch (by your own omission). You won't be worried with me cutting into your stock of high class pussy.
Where are some pictures of your latest?
Actually; isn't it "Read The Fu*+ing FAQ" rather than "Forum"? Reading all the forum's to find specific facts would take days while a "FAQ" is a distillation of all the most relevant information that has appeared on the forum.You nailed it, thanks for poining out what some have forgotten- " Reading all the forum's to find specific facts would take days "
Tony Hoeprano
07-05-12, 01:22
My question to you is a simple one,
Have you come to any resolve, with your dilemma about fucking a lady boy. Does it make you gay?
I bet you're happy every time you get a girls pants off she doesn't have a dick, maybe, maybe not?
Just asking?Not sure if serious sir? Hahahhaha. Its all good buddy.
Cheers
If you were standing in line at the McDonalds and some hot chick on vacation starts to flirt with you would you push her away from a potential bedroom romp? Girls world-wide are really no different than guys along these lines. You have to stop thinking that girls only F-guys if there is monetary rewards involved. It could not be further from the truth.
Now to answer your question, those Thai girls will get the same thing hanging out with their own local guys as the tourist except they can bang the tourist and not have to see him maybe ever again. Isn't this what you are doing yourself in Thailand? Your just forcing the issue by waving some money around. The girls that might do the tourist thing may be bored and believe she will get some great dinners that her own local guys may not want to pay for, and a nice present or two and at the same time F-a-HOT guy. The tourist more likely will pay a fraction of what he normally would for a ho, and the girl goes along for a free ride and a fling. Girls are the same as guys in the sense that if the guy is hot they will consider f-ing them whether they are tourists or not. Again, girls are really no different than guys along these lines." hot chick on vacation " I presume translates into hot dude on vacation. I've lived in Thailand for the past 10 years and this description comes nowhere close to describing the vast majority of visitors at least those wandering around the Sukhumvit, Pattaya, Phuket locales. True this generation of women worldwide are more sexually liberated but there are cultural variations and it is wrong to assume that Thai women are as likely to want casual sex in the same way as for example their American counterparts. Just because the best performing P4P ladies will give you the impression that you are a great lover a "hansum" man and they have "finished" three times this doesn't translate into an educated lady in a McDonalds line is dying to have a romp with you even if by your own estimation you are HOT. Truth is while possible it is extremely unlikely.
True this generation of women worldwide are more sexually liberated but there are cultural variations and it is wrong to assume that Thai women are as likely to want casual sex in the same way as for example their American counterparts.I don't agree.
I contend Thai girls want it just as much as the girls of any other culture. But it is the Thai culture which looks over each and every girls shoulder that impedes them from "going for it".
Now, for the statistical cultural norm, your theory is most likely true. However there are individuals in every cultural that stray far from that norm and it is hard to argue the event is not likely to happen. I wager it does happen and the previous posts here only confirm it. I got no reason to call others that claim it can be done are fibbers.
I don't agree.
I contend Thai girls want it just as much as the girls of any other culture. But it is the Thai culture which looks over each and every girls shoulder that impedes them from "going for it".
Now, for the statistical cultural norm, your theory is most likely true. However there are individuals in every cultural that stray far from that norm and it is hard to argue the event is not likely to happen. I wager it does happen and the previous posts here only confirm it. I got no reason to call others that claim it can be done are fibbers.No doubt there are girls that stray from cultural norms. I would surmise that the liklihood of it happening correlates to the social standing of the girl which in turn guides her value system. The lower down the social pecking order the more likely it is that she will be tempted by the sweet talking farang. However (always acknowledging the exception to the rule) this will not be because she is dying for a shag but because she sees potential in either a short term monetary gain or the possibility of a longer term relationship which takes her out of her dead end future.
" hot chick on vacation " I presume translates into hot dude on vacation. I've lived in Thailand for the past 10 years and this description comes nowhere close to describing the vast majority of visitors at least those wandering around the Sukhumvit, Pattaya, Phuket locales. True this generation of women worldwide are more sexually liberated but there are cultural variations and it is wrong to assume that Thai women are as likely to want casual sex in the same way as for example their American counterparts. Just because the best performing P4P ladies will give you the impression that you are a great lover a "hansum" man and they have "finished" three times this doesn't translate into an educated lady in a McDonalds line is dying to have a romp with you even if by your own estimation you are HOT. Truth is while possible it is extremely unlikely.Just from my perspective (and most of my younger colleagues) , we meet random good looking Thai girls out and about all the time and without money exchanging hands. You could pick apart my statement by saying "maybe the girls are ugly" or " they are uneducated girls" or whatever but, the fact of the matter is young attractive women can and do have sex with young attractive men all over the world with no money involved. How discreet they are about it depends on the culture but, it happens. I have the same amount of casual, no strings (or money) attached sex here as I had back in the west. Maybe a little more here in Thailand actually.
For those that are better looking than the norm our arguments will be much easier to understand. I consider myself middle aged, have experienced the same as you, but just no validation within the Thai culture. I can't believe the Thai's treats this as such a taboo rarity, especially where there are guys such as yourself that pop up to share their experience.
For those that are better looking than the norm our arguments will be much easier to understand. I consider myself middle aged, have experienced the same as you, but just no validation within the Thai culture. I can't believe the Thai's treats this as such a taboo rarity, especially where there are guys such as yourself that pop up to share their experience.I feel right or wrong sex for Thai ladies has a different significance that it does in the west.
If you are from a poor rural background having sex can start with losing your virginity at an early age for a price that is paid to the parents as compensation or you lose it to the local young stud that you think you are in love with. This ends up with the girl becoming pregnant and the young stud legging it either before or shortly after the baby is born. Sex then becomes a way to earn a livelihood to support herself and whoever is looking after the child. When I read posts where the writer is raving over the GFE he had and how excited the girl was with his performance I smile. I am not saying that the girl doesn't sometimes enjoy the experience but mostly any exuberant display of ecstasy is usually a well practiced part of the service and I doubt that many girls go to work thinking I feel horny today and cannot wait to get laid. What does the mamasam say when you ask for your favorite girl and she is unavailable, she says "she working" and that is what sex is for these girls.
So what about the girls that don't go into P4P end of things have a high school or perhaps a graduate degree but work in a relatively low paid job. It's obvious from the many dating sites that many of these girls are only too happy to meet a farang but always with the hope that it becomes a long term relationship thereby changing their circumstances. Having sex with the farangs they meet is part of the dating ritual and no doubt as with any sexual relationship it can be hugely enjoyable or downright disappointing but I still maintain that very few Thai women involve themselves with farangs especially short term tourists just for the sex and a night out on the town.
Then you have the successful career / business woman who is highly educated or possibly from a wealthy family. Unlike in times past nowadays possibly because of the influx of professional expats over the past 20 years dating a farang is no longer seen as a bad choice. However you will not casually bump onto these ladies at the food court and end up dating. Almost always introductions will be through mutual friends or they are work colleagues and sex will not happen until a serious relationship develops and at least the engagement is around the corner.
Any variations to any of the above are in my humble opinions exceptions to the norm but I guess if you are young good-looking generous with a sense of humor your chances will be a whole lot better than most of the troops that are out and about.
Just from my perspective (and most of my younger colleagues) , we meet random good looking Thai girls out and about all the time and without money exchanging hands. You could pick apart my statement by saying "maybe the girls are ugly" or " they are uneducated girls" or whatever but, the fact of the matter is young attractive women can and do have sex with young attractive men all over the world with no money involved. How discreet they are about it depends on the culture but, it happens. I have the same amount of casual, no strings (or money) attached sex here as I had back in the west. Maybe a little more here in Thailand actually.True, women all over the world fuck for free, and if you're young and got good genes then you have a shot at some hotties. Most of the guys you see in Thailand, however, who are picking up freebies aren't picking up the good ones. They are usually older ladies and / or average looking girls. The really good looking thai chicks are being approached by thai guys who now have money, and these girls would much rather go with a Thai. It is what it is!
(snip)Although recently that sweet girl cashier at silom burger king made a nasty gesture-I think she wanted to give me a blow job. She made that sucking motion with her lipps and pointed in the direction of the straws. LOL. I'm 100% sure it wasnt about the straw.Maybe she was commenting on her estimated size of your dick, oh limp one?
Hahahaha. Just a joke (I think). Never take a sex forum too seriously!
True, women all over the world fuck for free, and if you're young and got good genes then you have a shot at some hotties. Most of the guys you see in Thailand, however, who are picking up freebies aren't picking up the good ones. They are usually older ladies and / or average looking girls. The really good looking thai chicks are being approached by thai guys who now have money, and these girls would much rather go with a Thai. It is what it is!That's because most of the guys are older. Their chances of picking up a young good looking Thai with no money involved are slim. But just because it's difficult for them, a lot of them say it's impossible for everyone. I've been tempted on more than a few occasions to take a few board members out to RCA one night just to show that getting a good looking Thai girl for free is not an urban myth...lol.
Wolvenvacht
07-05-12, 19:25
That's because most of the guys are older. Their chances of picking up a young good looking Thai with no money involved are slim. But just because it's difficult for them, a lot of them say it's impossible for everyone. I've been tempted on more than a few occasions to take a few board members out to RCA one night just to show that getting a good looking Thai girl for free is not an urban myth.lol.A very wise man once said: "You do not pay them to come with you. You pay them to leave you in the morning".
And that is the problem with "free" sex: it is rarely free, at least you will never know up-front whether or not she has any long-term plans with you. Such things only cause drama and stress. Perhaps the "older" generation among us have wizened up and have their bellies full of such antics and prefer the certainty of sex with no ties attached.
You nailed it, thanks for poining out what some have forgotten- " Reading all the forum's to find specific facts would take days "Perhaps while reading the forum you will acquire some general information beyond what you are looking for. And maybe just maybe you will learn some useful information on topics you didn't think to ask about.
But for those too impatient to absorb the valuable intel available by actually Reading TFF I would suggest using google outside the website; I. E. Google the phrase 'international sex guide{topic}' for some quick and efficient search results.
SunLover
Maybe she was commenting on her estimated size of your dick, oh limp one?
Hahahaha. Just a joke (I think). Never take a sex forum too seriously!I think it's his choice of dining, Maybe if he upped his game a little and quit hanging out and Burger King and the "Golden Arches" he might actually have a chance of some puss.
However it does indeed seem he's afflicted with the small dick syndrome.
I find it a bit amusing this thread has gotten so much play.
I think it's his choice of dining, Maybe if he upped his game a little and quit hanging out and Burger King and the "Golden Arches" he might actually have a chance of some puss. However it does indeed seem he's afflicted with the small dick syndrome. I find it a bit amusing this thread has gotten so much play.Yeah, it's entertaining at times. Makes you wonder, though.
As far as life in Bangkok? There're not a lot of tourists here right now, mongers or otherwise. Just some folks from the hotter, desert regions and the southern hemisphere where it's the dead of winter.
Plenty of pretty ladies in Bangkok, though, if you know where to look for them!
If I were a young(er) man, tech savvy, and some money to burn, finding beautiful women in Bangkok and the rest of Thailand would be a no brainer. Just know, the best ladies are on the internet, not sitting at some beer bar or massage shop with a blank expression and som tam breath.
However, to make it work it is important to speak a little Thai and Lao / Isaan, have a clue or two about Thai culture, and to be very respectful to Thai people (knowing when and why).
Just showing up with an attitude and agenda will get you nowhere, quickly.
For not-so-young men, or those with limited "game," don't fret, there's legions of sexy, young women at the oiles, soapies, and go-go girl supermarkets awaiting your hungry stares and open wallets.
Just find a cheap hotel, some soap & shampoo, RTFF, buy a BTS Rabbit Pass, and rest assured, you'll be more than happy!
;)
A very wise man once said: "You do not pay them to come with you. You pay them to leave you in the morning".
And that is the problem with "free" sex: it is rarely free, at least you will never know up-front whether or not she has any long-term plans with you. Such things only cause drama and stress. Perhaps the "older" generation among us have wizened up and have their bellies full of such antics and prefer the certainty of sex with no ties attached.Wolv,
I am with you on this one. Who wants free sex? Not me. There is always something attached. There is always a cost and as we get older our egos matter not to us, we just want to have fun, and fun we have. Even in a relationship sex is not free, well unless you are a kept boy toy.
I've been tempted on more than a few occasions to take a few board members out to RCA one night just to show that getting a good looking Thai girl for free is not an urban myth.lol.Yah, it's not a myth at all, and of course it's easier when you're younger. You have more energy and younger girls like younger guys.
Share with us the quality of the girls you meet in RCA. How old are they? Have they fucked farang before? Can you take them straight from the disco to a room and fuck them, or do you need to date them?
Just know, the best ladies are on the internet, not sitting at some beer bar or massage shop with a blank expression and som tam breath.I don't agree that the "best" ladies are on the internet.
The "best" IMO don't need to go online to meet a guy. They have many offers in everyday life already.
I don't agree that the "best" ladies are on the internet.
The "best" IMO don't need to go online to meet a guy. They have many offers in everyday life already.I think, actually I am sure, we have different ideas about what characteristics qualify a Thai woman as the "best."
Yet, that's the beauty of it all, there's many choices for those who know how to make it work.
Chok dee!
NicFrenchy
07-06-12, 09:41
I think, actually I am sure, we have different ideas about what characteristics qualify a Thai woman as the "best."
Yet, that's the beauty of it all, there's many choices for those who know how to make it work.
Chok dee!I actually agree with you on this one. I have found also that for me the best thai Ladies I have found Online
Yah, it's not a myth at all, and of course it's easier when you're younger. You have more energy and younger girls like younger guys.
Share with us the quality of the girls you meet in RCA. How old are they? Have they fucked farang before? Can you take them straight from the disco to a room and fuck them, or do you need to date them?This year they've been aged 18-32. Total of about 12 girls. Only one mentioned to me that she had a faring boyfriend before but, who really cares? I'm conversational in Thai so I don't evaluate their level of English. I've taken several straight from RCA or wherever back to my house. I had lasting contact with three of them. I can count on one hand the times I bought them anything more than some fruit on the street. The most current one is 23, college educated, white skin (for those of you who think that matters) and a decent screw but, she is not a panacea for all my sexual needs. I'm not saying that freebies are the best option but, simply that it is an option for young expats.
HomoErectus12
07-06-12, 12:05
Brothers. First time in Bangkok and very excited. Heard s lot about soapy and wanted to sample the pleasures. I know there are a lot of threads here but can someone help me choose a place to go late evening for a good soapy and a spot of massage. FS not necessary. Willing to spend for the right gal and ambience!
This year they've been aged 18-32. Total of about 12 girls.Don't the girls have to be over 20yo to be in the clubs?
I would surmise that the liklihood of it happening correlates to the social standing of the girl which in turn guides her value system. The lower down the social pecking order the more likely it is that she will be tempted by the sweet talking farang.No. I don't think that is it either.
Look at the kinds of girls getting into the porn industry and consider the social taboo surrounding it here in the west. This is not biased to any kind of western social class and I think your Thail-farang beliefs fall in the same vein. If they I'd not, I could argue that a persons high social economic class restricts them from being adventurous which most will believe is somewhat silly. That adventurousness will always be there.
All girls have some level of adventurousness and the level defines whether she may bang a tourist for her own fulfillment.
Female adventurousness is independent of a girls social economic class.
AssLover945
07-06-12, 15:07
Was getting horny at office looking at all the protruding butts out of their tight skirts, so I understood that it was time for a quickie. My junior was straining the pants' zipper, by the time I was in the lift. Took a motorcycle to reach patpong soi 2, and went straight to SOL. Damn 2 of my fav girls were there and my junior said to me,"why not take both", and so it was.
The one with the fatter ass got down on her knees, and was sucking on my thankful junior, while I was sucking on the tits of my other favorite who was on sofa with me, and kneeling over to feed her Milk to me. After 5 mins or so, I had the mouths changed, but instructed them both to get buck naked and I had 2 delicious asses and boobs and their lovely mouths all over my dick in turns. Next I had the both seated on the sofa and took turns stuffing their mouths while standing. While all this was on, my dick was straining to fuck a pussy, so I asked who was willing, and immediately the one with the fatter ass said yes. Which I anyway wanted. So I had her positioned on the sofa, in doggy style with her ass pointed at me, invitingly, I must have pounded her a good 10 mins, all the while playing with the other girl. In between I heard 2 girls pass by giving out giggles and broad style. One even came over and patted my butt and asked if I wanted a 3rd one. I would have taken her if she had done it at the beginning, any politely denied and it was done all the while I was pounding the fat assed girl. Seriously this can happen only in SOL.
It was huge fun for 30 mins or so, and my junior was hugely thankful.
Total damage 1600, with 1000 for the fuck and 600 for the BJ only girl. I am a regular, so I get a "legular price" hahaha. God bless the girls of SOL. I am grinning ear to ear as I am reminded of the sweet afternoon I had today, with 2 of my favs in SOL.
Went there with 2 friends last time I was in town. Funny thing is, we walked in and all of the gals walked out and sat outside. We were not rowdy or disrespectful, can't figure it out.
Will be back in town in a few days and would like to try it again, can anyone give me good directions, seems a little difficult to find.
[QUOTE=AssLover945; 1301053]Was getting horny at office looking at all the protruding butts out of their tight skirts, so I understood that it was time for a quickie. My junior was straining the pants' zipper, by the time I was in the lift. Took a motorcycle to reach patpong soi 2, and went straight to SOL. Damn 2 of my fav girls were there and my junior said to me,"why not take both", and so it was.
HomoErectus12
07-06-12, 17:58
Hello brothers,
Reaching Bangkok in a few days for my first visit and excited to be in the land of smiles! Looking lot forward to a soapy massage which I am very keen to experience. Can anyone recommend a good place to visit late evening for a good soapy and a spot of massage. FS not necessary. There is a lot of advice on the threads but as a newbie I found it difficult to get a comparison / recommendation report.
Also, is it better to go to the likes of Annie's / CJ1 / Mango or is an outcall recommended?
Thank you very much
I'm going to fill my RABBIT card with the max. Only place sex is FREE is on the BTS (only if you got game though). And I do mean on the BTS. LolZ.
(snip) Geez! Damn you H4444!
Now, I am going to have to look twice where I put my hands, or sit, when I take the BTS Skytrain. Might have to start taking taxis again.
Free? Thailand? C'mon.
The only thing free in life is momma's milk (except in TH).
And, from the sound of it, I bet your momma gave you a bill once you could walk, huh? ;)
Hello brothers,
Reaching Bangkok in a few days for my first visit and excited to be in the land of smiles! Looking lot forward to a soapy massage which I am very keen to experience. Can anyone recommend a good place to visit late evening for a good soapy and a spot of massage. FS not necessary. There is a lot of advice on the threads but as a newbie I found it difficult to get a comparison / recommendation report.
Also, is it better to go to the likes of Annie's / CJ1 / Mango or is an outcall recommended?
Thank you very much Go, plunge in and report back as YMMV
Tony Hoeprano
07-07-12, 03:43
Hello brothers,
Also, is it better to go to the likes of Annie's / CJ1 / Mango or is an outcall recommended?
Thank you very muchI wouldn't do outcall if you haven't seen any of the girls in person. Those pics are all heavily photoshopped and who knows who will show up at your door!
A very wise man once said: "You do not pay them to come with you. You pay them to leave you in the morning".
And that is the problem with "free" sex: it is rarely free, at least you will never know up-front whether or not she has any long-term plans with you. Such things only cause drama and stress. Perhaps the "older" generation among us have wizened up and have their bellies full of such antics and prefer the certainty of sex with no ties attached.I find this the most true in Bangkok during my many visits. I got bored of the go-go and beer bar scene and between trips (about every 6 weeks) started working the Internet circuit and as has been reported, it's pretty easy. I met a several girls, and every one turned out to be with "strings attached". It was fun setting things up, flirting before I departed, stuff like that. But after one "date", I was ready to move on. With a ST / LT bar girl, no worries. They don't expect a call back, even if you tell them you will.
But with the non-pros / semi-pros, they do. And I got the calls, emails and texts expecting me to be their committed BF. That wasn't for me. So my connections in both Thailand and Manila have all ended badly. Maybe it's my personality that I allow myself to feel bad about "dumping" them. I feel bad when I get the emails and texts wondering why I won't go out with them every night. I end up making lame excuses about "work commitments" when really I just want a new and different girl.
So for me, I've given up on working the Internet sites for hook ups. Wolvenvacht's quote hits the nail on the head for me. If I lived there, it might be different. But when I am there for 10-20 days, I want to be Mr. Butterfly. And for me, the pre-arranged Internet hook ups doesn't lend it self to that.
Maybe it's my personality that I allow myself to feel bad about "dumping" them. I feel bad when I get the emails and texts wondering why I won't go out with them every night.No; it sounds like your personality is just fine and normal.
Only the scoundrels and sociopaths lie to girls routinely and then dump them without feeling guilty.
Tony Hoeprano
07-07-12, 09:06
No; it sounds like your personality is just fine and normal.
Only the scoundrels and sociopaths lie to girls routinely and then dump them without feeling guilty.Playing devil's advocate here. If a playa is going to play and chase tail on the side, does it really matter if he feels guilty on the inside?
GentleBoner
07-07-12, 09:08
So for me, I've given up on working the Internet sites for hook ups. Wolvenvacht's quote hits the nail on the head for me. If I lived there, it might be different. But when I am there for 10-20 days, I want to be Mr. Butterfly. And for me, the pre-arranged Internet hook ups doesn't lend it self to that.98% of internet dating girls are looking for a boyfriend at the least, and usually a husband shortly after.
No point in messing with that if you're here on a short trip.
If you want to have fun then just pay the extra money to have fun. Easier and more honest and nobody's feelings get hurt.
Playing devil's advocate here. If a playa is going to play and chase tail on the side, does it really matter if he feels guilty on the inside?Not at all if he's a lying scoundrel or sociopath. :)
Decent fellows like Pablo feel bad about lying to girls to get into their pants and then dumping them. When I was on the dating sites I always explained to the girl upfront that I wasn't looking for a wife or girl friend but only for fun. Lots of them were turned off but a good number didn't mind, but one still pays a price for the non-pro's, even if you are honest.
Its high time I reported on the excellent strip of massage shops in Sukhumvit Soi 23. In my opinion this is as close to the Bangkok of old as you can get in Bangkok at the moment.
As you leave Soi Cowboy and go out onto Soi 23 you would then turn left and start walking up the street (away from Sukhumvit Road. I am NOT talking here about the massage places right next to Cowboy. You need to keep walking up the street maybe another 400 meters and you will see them on the right hand side of the road (opposite Citadines Hotel and Milllenium Hotel).
There are some very decent looking girls there and all of them are fun, boisterous and give great service. I don't know for sure but I would bet 90% give full service in the room probably for 1, 800 all in including a decent massage beforehand. I walk past there every day and really it is a great little scene and starts from around 3pm onwards and is in full swing by 8pm.
Basically that little strip of 7 or 8 massage shops is like a little mini Soi 6 in Pattaya but with less "worn" girls. Anyway having tried pretty much every option in Bangkok (actually Thailand really) I would thoroughly recommend this stretch to anyone.
Many people don't know its even there. After 7 years of living in Bangkok I only discovered it after I moved to the Soi 23 area and never knew it existed before.
Happy Hunting
There are some very decent looking girls there and all of them are fun, boisterous and give great service. I don't know for sure but I would bet 90% give full service in the room probably for 1,800 all in including a decent massage beforehand.
Am I missing something. Firstly all of them give great service which sounds like I've been there done that and then you get "I would bet" or "probably". I know the strip of shops referred to and the constant chants of "massssssssage sir " as you pass by each shop can be very irritating if you are having a bad day. Also have to say the talent on display falls somewaht short of what is available at the better oilies.
Member #4698
07-07-12, 13:11
Its high time I reported on the excellent strip of massage shops in Sukhumvit Soi 23. As you leave Soi Cowboy and go out onto Soi 23 . Keep walking up the street maybe another 400 meters and you will see them on the right hand side of the road (opposite Citadines Hotel and Milllenium Hotel).I walk past these places all the time too when I am in BKK and staying at the Millennium or the Admiral Premiere. The girls always call out as I pass and I wave back and say hello. I have often thought about giving them a try, but I just never got around to doing it. The math is simple: the upside is the possibility of a happy ending of some kind that was not totally expected (thrill of the hunt) minus the downside of a veggie massage for a few hundred BT and an hour killed. In LOS where sex is always available any time you want it, it sometimes is an added bonus to get a BJ or sex when it is not 100% guaranteed. Based on your report, I am going to definitely give one of these places a try. Great report BB.
I've seen that strip last year when I stayed at the Grand Millenium. I never tried but it's true that the girls were fun to interact with on the outside.
GentleBoner
07-07-12, 16:27
Mini report.
Tilac: Visited here a couple times recently and found it pretty bad. It has a reputation as one of the best, but the girls I saw were pretty rough looking. Several of them looked over 40 and leathery. Even the younger girls were average looking and had big chubby legs. I saw one girl I think might have been attractive from the side, but I didn't get a good look at her. Not the friendliest place either. Definitely possible to sit there for an hour without any girls talking to you or making much eye contact.
Suzie Wongs: Average lineup. A few decent girls. Too many chubby girls. A few with some big tits. Staff is friendly. Not a bad place to spend a couple minutes.
Waylon if you find a group of fun attractive and boisterous Thai girls asking you to service them "very irritating" then it may be time to go home. If you find that irritating then there is not much point being here :)
I walk past them every day and they always make me smile.
Tony Hoeprano
07-07-12, 16:54
I can attest to Bowerboy's claims that Soi 23 is good value. Almost all of the massage places on Soi 23 offer FS or at least mouth party, even the lone disappointment wasn't too bad. On one occasion I got LT for 1K +500 BF and it was great... shot 2 times along with BBFS. yes, i know not very smart.. but sometimes the temptation is too great to pass up.. oh well
As far as free sex goes, you have to put up with not being able to monger or see other girls as much. It's a big time commitment and many lost opportunities. Of course, its somewhat offset by being someone who is good people, enjoy going out to eat with, cinema, and etc. But still some guys are playas for life and need to have a steady diet of strange.
And then I have to put up with this, after forgetting to bring my mobile with me to the gym, I get home and get this on my whatsapp:
Where are you?
Hey.
Honey.
You are not honest.
You make mistake again.
Who is stay with you?
I hate liar.
You lie all the time.
A few minutes later, she's knocking on the door to see if I have another girl staying at my place LOL
Next week I'll be sneaking off to Pattaya for the first time. Hopefully I'll see some hot girls there hehe.
Tony's got it right, I've received all those sorts of texts and e-mails. And that's even though I was always honest with these girls and told them up front there was zero possibility of a LTR, never mind marriage. If (and when) they asked, I even was honest about being attached back home. Several of the girls were really sweet and fun to hang out with, but inevitably I'd get bored, usually after the 2nd or 3rd "date". Once they gave it up (usually on the first date) , there was no more thrill of the chase. I know some guys come to Thailand, meet a girl on night #1 and stay with her the whole week or two. I have never done that, at most I repeat once more with the really good ones. And even some of the gorgeous ones who were 10/10 in bed, I don't call them back because I'm always interested in something new. So it's pretty clear why these pre-arranged dates aren't for me. I guess there are some real pros online, but it seems to me that almost all are girls looking for a BF at least, if not a LTR and husband.
I finally quit doing this earlier this year after I met a totally non-pro girl online from Pattaya. She had a normal job and was cute in her pics and fun, witty and intelligent when we chatted online and exchanged e-mails. I was staying in Pattaya for work, so after work I met her for drinks. She was plumper than I imagined, and just wasn't sexy to me. Plus, since my arrival everywhere I looked were these smoking hot girls all available for a bar fine and small fee. After drinks I told her I had to go out with business associates and that was it. I hit a bar, got a much hotter girl. I sent her an e-mail a couple of days later just saying I was too busy and couldn't see her, she got the hint and stopped e-mailing me back. After that, I decided that I was done with that game.
98% of internet dating girls are looking for a boyfriend at the least, and usually a husband shortly after.
No point in messing with that if you're here on a short trip.
If you want to have fun then just pay the extra money to have fun. Easier and more honest and nobody's feelings get hurt.I have not found that. Many are P4P.
But if not, it is easy to scam them if you want. They will usually fuck at the end of the day if you take them to dinner and they think you are serious for relationship.
I have not found that. Many are P4P.
But if not, it is easy to scam them if you want. They will usually fuck at the end of the day if you take them to dinner and they think you are serious for relationship.Why waste most the day with girls like this especially when it is not positive they will put out AND their body might not be as advertised.
You fly thousands of miles with a limited number of days and risking your precious time like this would not cut it with me. The same game exists at home. So why leave home if it works there and what is the point taking it take it to Thailand? Please explain.
Why waste most the day with girls like this especially when it is not positive they will put out AND their body might not be as advertised.
You fly thousands of miles with a limited number of days and risking your precious time like this would not cut it with me. The same game exists at home. So why leave home if it works there and what is the point taking it take it to Thailand? Please explain.Ehunter, I guess it is an ego thing for some guys. They need to feel like they "got game." I for one just don't get that. You come over here so you don't have to date and romance. That is the point.
Pointy Stick
07-08-12, 06:21
Ehunter, I guess it is an ego thing for some guys. They need to feel like they "got game." I for one just don't get that. You come over here so you don't have to date and romance. That is the point.The sanest post to date on this subject so far.
We're here for a reason and it isn't romance.
If I was into internet dating with non-p4p Thai chicks then I doubt a sex forum would be the place for advice.
IBut still some guys are playas for life and need to have a steady diet of strange.That's a good way to put it ;)
We're here for a reason and it isn't romance.This should be the new ISG slogan.
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