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Well thanks for your opinion but I thought the selection there was the most to my liking of any place I've every visited. I flew almost 200k km last year so I do get around.
The one I chose that day couldn't have been more perfect for me if I'd designed her myself and I felt 2600 bht and a 1k tip to lick her pussy was the best value I've ever received in Asia.
I doubt I fucked up the mongering scene in Bangkok by giving her a $25 dollar tip. I would have tipped her that much anyway. I've seen the same girl there twice since it it just gets better every time, and I still tip her 1k.
If you know a place where you can get a better deal on drop-dead gorgeous 19 year old pussy I think sharing it with the group would have been a more positive contribution.Don't worry, Luvpus is well known for such negative comments. While I don't pay for DATY myself (either the girl likes it or she doesn't) , I don't have any problem with your original report. You may get more willing girls next time, but the main thing is you enjoyed what you got. Nataree isn't my favourite place for GFE, but it is popular due to a lot of girls there.
Western787
12-17-12, 21:34
Don't worry, Luvpus is well known for such negative comments. While I don't pay for DATY myself (either the girl likes it or she doesn't) , I don't have any problem with your original report. You may get more willing girls next time, but the main thing is you enjoyed what you got. Nataree isn't my favourite place for GFE, but it is popular due to a lot of girls there.While at first glance it may seem strange to pay extra for DATY, if you really think about about there are really three categories particularly in regard to those relatively new to the business: 1. She likes it 2 she doesn't like it 3. She may or may not like it but doesn't really know yet because she's too scared to try, and either hasn't done it, or has done it on a very limited basis.
SexPerimenter probably has a category 3.
Wolvenvacht
12-17-12, 22:08
While at first glance it may seem strange to pay extra for DATY (...)Strange for Thailand perhaps, but in European red light districts it is quite usual to pay for all extras, such as different positions, touching her breasts, kissing, DATY, ... I once even met a WG that wanted me to pay her extra for her undressing!
Strange for Thailand perhaps, but in European red light districts it is quite usual to pay for all extras, such as different positions, touching her breasts, kissing, DATY, . I once even met a WG that wanted me to pay her extra for her undressing!You must of had the same girl I did in Amsterdam.
If we're being nice to newbies then I would add that Casanova is a Lady Boy bar. If you are new to this and Thailand, lady boys are men who dress (and act) as women. However, they have male equipment (unless they are "post op") so you will get a surprise if you go with them. As is pointed out by Bunky, they are usually taller than the "real" women and other tell tale signs are deeper voices, bigger hands, and pronounced Adam's apples. If you are unsure of their status you should ask (or grab for their junk) because there are some who can fool even the seasoned pro.I did not know this.
Shit, no wonder they always turn from me immediately and want me to fuck them from behind. Damn!
SexPerimenter
12-18-12, 01:25
In the Amsterdam RLD's 50 Euros for 20 minutes fuck and suck with the gal nude and no extra charge for another position is standard. The ones who ask more money for touching their tits, taking their top off or changing positions are just there to rip off tourists. The majority of the window ladies provide the standard 50 euro service but it's best to clarify exactly what's offered up front before you go in and she closes the curtains.
I don't think the up-sellers are there very long because word gets around, to the locals and on the Internet for tourists.
Strange for Thailand perhaps, but in European red light districts it is quite usual to pay for all extras, such as different positions, touching her breasts, kissing, DATY, . I once even met a WG that wanted me to pay her extra for her undressing!
SexPerimenter
12-18-12, 01:32
I think this one was fresh off the plam truck and hadn't had any or many clients go down on her. I almost never get any reluctance for DATY in Asia and was a bit surprised. I think she was a cat. 3 but she willingly spread her thighs for my tongue the second time.
While at first glance it may seem strange to pay extra for DATY, if you really think about about there are really three categories particularly in regard to those relatively new to the business: 1. She likes it 2 she doesn't like it 3. She may or may not like it but doesn't really know yet because she's too scared to try, and either hasn't done it, or has done it on a very limited basis.
SexPerimenter probably has a category 3.
SexPerimenter
12-18-12, 01:37
I prefer the GFE, where's your favorite place for it? I brought a bar girl back from Zmidnight and I swore she was going to nev me to marry her in the morning but when 8 rolled sound the GFE was over. I've never had as good of a GFE at MP's or with escorts.
Don't worry, Luvpus is well known for such negative comments. While I don't pay for DATY myself (either the girl likes it or she doesn't) , I don't have any problem with your original report. You may get more willing girls next time, but the main thing is you enjoyed what you got. Nataree isn't my favourite place for GFE, but it is popular due to a lot of girls there.
I didn't get much response to this question in reports section so will try it here. What are your suggestions for having fun during day time in Bangkok? (other than massage parlours / BJ places) Any nice places to pick up free lancers, watch nude shows etc etc?
Member #4387
12-18-12, 03:59
i'm not really a value monger per se. i like to visit the best places a city has to offer. that being said. what are the best brothels, massage parlors, girl bars, etc. in the city. is there a more upscale district for these sort of places?
thank you in advance.well for more hi so clubbing we have to move our asses out of the lower suk area and hit some other part of the city. my recomandations would be some places i have visited earlier and some recently. in these places you meet the local bangkok crowd with money and ladies can be had but mostly from normal mechanisms (girl like boy or opposite). some hi so prostitutes are occationly to be found (but they mostly have money so they are choosy). so you should be careful as offering anything like money to girls here as it would easily be considered as an offensive act. atleast people here pretend to be rich so it would easily break down their fasade. just as a friendly warning tip.
many people sometimes warn about you can encounter trouble if you dont speak thai. the last year i have met a few girls around and it shows english is ok(my impression now) as many educated bangkok girls can handle it quite well except from the r, hehe.. just try it.. add a little normality into the mongergame..
demo. sukhumvit soi 63 (many great clubs in this soi). upscale crowd and rather expensive. spasso prices and then add some (for drinks)
baroque. rama 9rd (close / opposite to the rca strip). spectacular crowd of girls (i only visit in weekends)
route 66, 808bangkok, flix / slim. rca strip. great fun with the locals.
for upscale eating i tried last trip zense restaurant. central world 17'th fl. many wannabees, hehe.
the face in soi 38 was also great for nice coctails.
i have only visited these places with my regular crowd og bkk girls as they will not set their foot close to my main monger area (low sukhumvit). the closest they will come near this area is bts through it.
bt the way on my last trip i was visiting a relatively new club in soi 11. levels. 6th floor (almost opposite from bed and supper club). they should speed up their bottle service as it took around 1 hr to fix me and my female companion an absolute vodka. had infact to buy beers to shorten the wait. got a bit of a touristy feel. but not a place you come with flip flops and bermuda shorts. dress nicely. i did not get the impression this was so much of a fl place (atleast not yet).
While at first glance it may seem strange to pay extra for DATY, if you really think about about there are really three categories particularly in regard to those relatively new to the business: 1. She likes it 2 she doesn't like it 3. She may or may not like it but doesn't really know yet because she's too scared to try, and either hasn't done it, or has done it on a very limited basis.
SexPerimenter probably has a category 3.Ther probably is category 4: The girl is scared that she might like it too much.
I have very ocassionally met girls that were okay with it the first time, got carried away and orgasmed, then subsequently were very reluctant, explaining that she has to retain her energy to work. This applies to MP girls. Obviously not to girls doing LT.
Some girls are very sensitive to DATY and get turned on quite easily. Others like it to go for a long time.
I prefer the GFE, where's your favorite place for it? I brought a bar girl back from Zmidnight and I swore she was going to nev me to marry her in the morning but when 8 rolled sound the GFE was over. I've never had as good of a GFE at MP's or with escorts.Its hard to have a favourite place. Its generally more so favourite girls. E. G. I have had just one favourite at La Belle, and apart from her rather bad luck with other choices. Amsterdam just one favourite. I used to have favourites at Tulip, Snow White, and Mango, TL2, but the girls all left. Places where I have had no bad luck on choosing and where every girl has been good for me recently are probably Annies, EZ, Suzie Wong. My mongering is a bit limited in recent years. I am not an expat who has every day available for playing up. I am tending to try new girls quite infrequently, since its hit and miss for GFE.
I stress the point about luck. Most good venues have some great girls and some other girls, not so great, or just not completly compatible. Then depends on how much the girl likes you as a customer too. YMMV. One guy's crap girl can be just great for some other guy. Some girls do not give every guy exactly the same service. They perform great for the customers that they really want to come back again and again. If girls perform the same even for arsehole customers, then I rate those girls as slightly on the dumb side. One Mango girl told me she disliked a lot of her regulars, but she must have been giving them good service, if they kept on coming back. I guess she did not know how to perform badly. Other girls are good at bad service.
Tony Hoeprano
12-18-12, 07:27
In no way is Thailand comparable to USA regarding pay 4 sex. Come on guys don't believe it when some say it is, you are being conned. Use your intelligence and denounce the clown who started it all. Call shenanigans if you have too. LOL.
Rainbow 4 has gone to bongo music, songs where you can't tell 1 from the other. Just horrible. Everything else ok though. LOL.Decent music but unfortunately none of the thai girls know how to dance to the beat.
Just one time I'd like to see a hot Thai chick do "the Dougie" LOL
Mr Enternational
12-18-12, 07:54
Decent music but unfortunately none of the thai girls know how to dance to the beat. Just one time I'd like to see a hot Thai chick do "the Dougie" LOLCome to the Pattaya discos. You can see it until you are blue in the face.
Wolvenvacht
12-18-12, 08:18
(...) but it's best to clarify exactly what's offered up front before you go in and she closes the curtains.There is no substitute for clarity and good agreements. But sometimes the little head takes over and all good plans go out the window.
I don't think the up-sellers are there very long because word gets around, to the locals and on the Internet for tourists.Enough dumb tourists come by every day to make even this kind of behaviour worth its while.
Rainbow 4 has gone to bongo music, songs where you can't tell 1 from the other. Just horrible. Everything else ok though. LOL.Yeah I must admit the music in a go-go is probably my first consideration when walking into one of these places. After that I check the quality of the electrics (can't help it, being an Electrician) , then how good the flooring is and if it is tiled or carpeted, followed by the paint on the walls, then finally how good the electrolyte-plating is on the brass poles. If all these important aspects meet with my approval then and only then do I check the quality of the girls. I'm sure everyone does something similar.
Regards.
BJ
Add to that the quality of the toilet area. Is in a common area, have a urinal, bar soap, liquid soap or soap at all. Do not forget to add how one drys their hands? On their pants, wave them furiously or use some towel that has more cooties than my high school GF's snatch. All very important.
Yeah I must admit the music in a go-go is probably my first consideration when walking into one of these places. After that I check the quality of the electrics (can't help it, being an Electrician) , then how good the flooring is and if it is tiled or carpeted, followed by the paint on the walls, then finally how good the electrolyte-plating is on the brass poles. If all these important aspects meet with my approval then and only then do I check the quality of the girls. I'm sure everyone does something similar.
Regards.
BJ
Your comments here are a good example of why I am enjoying the comparison between Bangkok & elsewhere.
This topic was initially raised by a post from Rick Rock.
One point that hasn't been mentioned yet is the ease of obtaining BBFS in Bangkok compared to the USA.
It is far, far easier to find.
I'd rather stay in my home country and wank alone if that was not the case verses coming to BKK to use a plastic baggie.
The value I put on that is that it's priceless.
BTW North American girls are way more into kissing than TGs who get a F in that department. I suspect European ladies are also superior to Thais where this is concerned.Pink, I lived in Italy for 9 years before moving to Japan. I think Thai's out do Europeans in the bed. Most of the girls in Italy wanted € 150 euro for an hour and if you finished early you were considered done. This was with apartment girls, SW were for €50 euro and hotel girls were in between. Germany was a little cheaper, better selection, but very mechanical. I find Asian more GFE available. Thais being at the top, Hong Kong behind them and then the Japanese. Have not made it to the Philippines yet. BKK and Pattaya are two fun for me right at the moment.
That's my two cents. SO coming.
Skeet
Add to that the quality of the toilet area. Is in a common area, have a urinal, bar soap, liquid soap or soap at all. Do not forget to add how one drys their hands? On their pants, wave them furiously or use some towel that has more cooties than my high school GF's snatch. All very important.A big thank's for reminding me about the toilet facilities, I completely forgot to mention this vital aspect of any clip joint. If these criteria are not met then I simply turn round and leave. I don't care about the quality of the girls or the prices and will never return to such a shameful establishment.
Regards.
BJ
Some Japanese guy going round with a hidden camera, in his glasses I think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIBn_UnsXpQ&list=PL224BFC0F01C5DF72&index=50
Regards.
BJ
Some Japanese guy going round with a hidden camera, in his glasses I think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIBn_UnsXpQ&list=PL224BFC0F01C5DF72&index=50
Regards.
BJI thank the guy. This is another place I will totally avoid. Not one lady in there even acknowledged the dudes presence.
Maybe he is a total loser. But probably just a bunch of disinterested girls who are lousy in bed.
I didn't get much response to this question in reports section so will try it here. What are your suggestions for having fun during day time in Bangkok? (other than massage parlours / BJ places) Any nice places to pick up free lancers, watch nude shows etc etc?Not really that I know of. Those girls in the nude shows have to sleep sometime.
There are SW's along Soi 3-5 bascially 24 hours.
Before the afternoon/evening I usually go to a movie, the mall for lunch, get a couple of massages, or hit up a low key bar that opens early.
I decided to give the bad mannered Dr the benefit of the doubt and pay a visit to this 'parlour'.Talking about bad mannered it seems you have been already hit a few times by Jackson for your manners here, so before teaching others, do learn yourself.
It seems you have a bad feeling about DrBJ establishments but keep on going there.
You must be into the masochist side of BDSM fetish, eventually. Each onehis own, of course.
Do yourself a favour, do not sacrify yourself if you do not like DrBJ: leave it and stop visiting for the purpose of reporting negatively for our own agenda, if any.
I didn't get much response to this question in reports section so will try it here. What are your suggestions for having fun during day time in Bangkok? (other than massage parlours / BJ places) Any nice places to pick up free lancers, watch nude shows etc etc?Nude shows at night time in Cowboy, e. G. Long Gun, Suzi Wong. Day time have MPs, BJ as you mentioned also daytime bars in Soi Nana, also Bier Garten (I'm just saying. Not recommending).
Collect phone numbers of girls willing to visit you at your Hotel in morning, or daytime.
Try to sleep in the daytime.
somone recently wrote that lollipop (i think) had the best looking bj girls. i have to be skeptical. how come we read so many reports about dr. bj but so few about [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) and lollipop. is it popularity or just guys cannot resist something newer.
i don't like eden, with its very obvious acting and scripted routines (not to mention the looks of the girls) , but notice very few reports about it either. is it dying?
A big thank's for reminding me about the toilet facilities, I completely forgot to mention this vital aspect of any clip joint. If these criteria are not met then I simply turn round and leave. I don't care about the quality of the girls or the prices and will never return to such a shameful establishment.
Regards.
BJSomething I hate about Thai clubs, is being molested from behind while trying to take a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140). No I definitely do not want a neck massage while trying to take a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) and certainly not from a guy.
A tap, a soap dispenser and paper towel to dry the hands or electric dryer is quite enough service thankyou.
Wolvenvacht
12-18-12, 19:32
North American girls are way more into kissing than TGs who get a F in that department. I suspect European ladies are also superior to Thais where this is concerned.I beg to differ. Perhaps I have been lucky but I seem to have almost always met Thai girls who like to DFK. Sometimes it took some convincing and training them, but the results in the end more than made up for any effort put into this training. My present Thai GF is totally into it: she kisses and sucks any body part in sight.
Wolvenvacht
12-18-12, 19:33
Something I hate about Thai clubs, is being molested from behind while trying to take a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140). No I definitely do not want a neck massage while trying to take a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) and certainly not from a guy.
A tap, a soap dispenser and paper towel to dry the hands or electric dryer is quite enough service thankyou.If you give a better tip, they will massage other parts of your body, for sure!
Wolvenvacht
12-18-12, 19:57
I didn't get much response to this question in reports section so will try it here. What are your suggestions for having fun during day time in Bangkok? (other than massage parlours / BJ places) Any nice places to pick up free lancers, watch nude shows etc etc?Eden Club already opens in the early afternoon. It is not for the faint hearted and some have complained that the performance is "scripted". I have been there several times and I prefer a nice scripted performance over a starfish anytime. The simple fact that their scripts always involve threesomes makes it rather special.
Eden Club's girls are not the youngest or the most beautiful, but they are totally uninhibited. You want a strap-on and dildo show? No problem. Lesbo action? Sure. Anal? Just pick a girl standing to the left of the yellow line in the bar area. Rimming? Part of the deal. Fuck one girl reverse CG while DATY the other? Just give them a hint and it is already done.
Don't go there if you want GFE. Go there if you want to be the lead actor in your own porn-movie and then go home really drained.
Something I hate about Thai clubs, is being molested from behind while trying to take a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140). No I definitely do not want a neck massage while trying to take a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) and certainly not from a guy.
A tap, a soap dispenser and paper towel to dry the hands or electric dryer is quite enough service thankyou.You must be really cute. Maybe they just like you.
I beg to differ. Perhaps I have been lucky but I seem to have almost always met Thai girls who like to DFK. Sometimes it took some convincing and training them, but the results in the end more than made up for any effort put into this training. My present Thai GF is totally into it: she kisses and sucks any body part in sight.I have never had a problem either. In fact I can't think of any that did not DFK.
But I am clean and carry mouth wash with me.
If you stink like shit and your breath smells, good luck.
somone recently wrote that lollipop (i think) had the best looking bj girls. i have to be skeptical. how come we read so many reports about dr. bj but so few about [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) and lollipop. is it popularity or just guys cannot resist something newer.
i don't like eden, with its very obvious acting and scripted routines (not to mention the looks of the girls) , but notice very few reports about it either. is it dying?i don't know if lollipops has the best looking girls. but i have had the best service there. my last 4 visits i got great bbbj's and then fucked them in the booth. i think it is the best of the three.
Eden Club already opens in the early afternoon. It is not for the faint hearted and some have complained that the performance is "scripted". I have been there several times and I prefer a nice scripted performance over a starfish anytime. The simple fact that their scripts always involve threesomes makes it rather special.
Eden Club's girls are not the youngest or the most beautiful, but they are totally uninhibited. You want a strap-on and dildo show? No problem. Lesbo action? Sure. Anal? Just pick a girl standing to the left of the yellow line in the bar area. Rimming? Part of the deal. Fuck one girl reverse CG while DATY the other? Just give them a hint and it is already done.
Don't go there if you want GFE. Go there if you want to be the lead actor in your own porn-movie and then go home really drained.To me going to Eden and DD, is like contacting a travel agent to help you plan your trip. Overpriced and scripted.
I beg to differ. Perhaps I have been lucky but I seem to have almost always met Thai girls who like to DFK. Sometimes it took some convincing and training them, but the results in the end more than made up for any effort put into this training. My present Thai GF is totally into it: she kisses and sucks any body part in sight.You missed the point. If you have to convince and train, they were not into kissing. Kissing isn't a part of their culture. Sure, they can be convinced. Some will come to really enjoy it. But they weren't into initially.
This is actually one of my silver bullet questions when taking a go-go girl. If she hesitates or says "nid noi" then I know there is no point in taking her. Nic will say the issue is my beard, and that may be true. But Thais are not a kissing culture.
MikeCanHelp
12-19-12, 07:04
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Wolvenvacht
12-19-12, 08:29
You missed the point. If you have to convince and train, they were not into kissing. Kissing isn't a part of their culture. Sure, they can be convinced. Some will come to really enjoy it. But they weren't into initially.Actually, I got more kisses (and really good ones) from Thai WGs than I ever got from European hookers. And kissing is supposed to be part of our culture.
Ask any Western youngster what they think of DFK and they will tell you it is "gross". So we also had to be convinced and trained.
I think there is a big difference between Thai and Western culture here. We see kissing as something we do regularly in public with family and friends (the polite "cheek to cheek" kiss you give your maiden-aunt). Thai are totally not into that, they have their "sniffing kiss". But DFK is something really different. Thai never do that outside of a sexual relationship and in a sexual environment. You won't see Thai lovers doing that in public. It is not part of their "love & affection" culture, but definitely part of their sexual culture.
As I said before, my Thai GF is really into kissing but only when having sex. Outside of the bedroom, she will hug and sniff but not kiss to show her love. She does not connect kisses with love, but kisses are part of sex.
In the Western culture kissing is more part of love which is the reason -IMHO- that Western WG are reluctant to kiss (any type of kisses) as they feel it is too personal.
Wolvenvacht
12-19-12, 08:32
To me going to Eden and DD, is like contacting a travel agent to help you plan your trip. Overpriced and scripted.Very well said! I agree, but some times I just want to be part of a hot and well scripted movie.
Very good post, as long as you understand that he was being sarcastic, and that everything he suggests has to be avoided. Therefore a good post, once you transform all the recommendations into "avoid" places.Certainly true that everything he said was tongue in cheek and the best advice is to do the opposite of what he said. I have to say I did LMAO as I was reading the original, picturing this poor guy being fleeced and slapped in the face everywhere he went.
Regards.
BJ
I beg to differ. Perhaps I have been lucky but I seem to have almost always met Thai girls who like to DFK. Sometimes it took some convincing and training them, but the results in the end more than made up for any effort put into this training. My present Thai GF is totally into it: she kisses and sucks any body part in sight.How did you "convince" them to swap bodily fluids with you? A generous tip, perhaps?
I wonder what gave you the impression they "like to DFK". Just the fact that a hooker DFK you does not equate to her "liking it". You would need to be a mind reader to know if she was not merely acting like she liked it, or doing it out of duty or for money or because you asked or she followed only because you initiated it or you trained her how to do it, as opposed to truly liking it.
But guesses at whether or not a girl liked it is not the issue. More pertinent to the matter of being into DFK are other issues like duration. To me any DFKing worthwhile means prolonged kissing, not just a few licks, a tease, or a only minute or two. Based on my experience one would be lucky to get even the latter from a random TG.
All my experience is with hookers in both countries and I'd say around 90 percent of dozens of Canadian females were willing to kiss me nonstop for at least 5 minutes. OTOH with dozens of TGs in Bangkok it was way less than 50 percent. I'd estimate around only 15 percent lasted that long. Moreover about half of those TGs didn't really get into DFK until I was riding inside them and rubbing on them in the missionary position. All the Canadians were kissing during foreplay.
I was out the other day & asked two BKK streetwalker hookers who showed interest in me if they kissed. They both said "a little bit" & I walked away, knowing that meant they had just graded themselves as an F in that department. Most likely this "little bit" would have been nothing or a couple lame closed mouth kisses. Canadian girls IME never say they will kiss a "little bit". Quite a few Canadian girls expressed how much they enjoyed kissing, whereas TGs never did so.
LOL at having to "convince & train them" to kiss. I've never met a Canadian P4P girl who did not already know how to kiss. Western style lip to lip and tongue to tongue kissing is not common in Thai culture.
Speaking of training, a number of TGs who do kiss need to be trained not to bite when they do so. I don't know why they do this, but I've never experienced these zombie style kissers in the Western world. Only in Thailand. Is it an indication they really like it, have watched too many Thai videos with GFs pretending to bite their BFs body parts or are they just hungry?
When a TG is asked about whether she will kiss a common response is "a little bit" or silence or shake her head, both of which mean no. A disgusted look on her face is another response, even at times when they agree to DFK, or during the act. Canadian girls I've been with have not been like that.
As for "kissing and sucking" other body parts, based on your experience of one TG, that is different from lip to lip or French kissing. IME TGs are more willing to use their mouth and tongue on a man's dick, balls & ass hole than on his mouth. When it comes to the latter, TGs don't know what a tongue is made for. Could the preference for a guy's ass hole be related to what is always foremost on a TGs mind, spicy Som Tam.
It's unfortunate that TGs are not into kissing like Western women because so many of them have beautifully thick Angelina Jolie type lips. The smart career oriented Thai hookers can use this to their advantage. They will become my keepers.
Actually, I got more kisses (and really good ones) from Thai WGs than I ever got from European hookers. And kissing is supposed to be part of our culture.
Ask any Western youngster what they think of DFK and they will tell you it is "gross". So we also had to be convinced and trained.I think you will find that Thai youngters find it gross far more so than westerners who are used to seeing it on the TV. That would be my experience.
When it comes to sex, you find that some Thais are into it (DFK) and some are not. Its becoming more common in the modern day. With westerners, very few avoid it in normal relationships.
For hookers, whether eastern or western, some do it greatly and others don't. Can't beat Brazillians for luscious lips and DFK in my opinion. Probbly only a small percentage of Thais are super at DFK. I know some European hookers who are fabulous at it. So overall I would says the Europeans win (in P4P field) or are at least equal.
I am biased by mostly avoiding European girls who don't like kissing. Your Thai GF does not sound exactly typical.
P.S. I try to maximise the pleasantness to kiss, by not smoking and by cleaning teeeth, mouth and tongue regularly. Thais are sensitive to bad breath and any bad odours at all. There is one Thai girl I do not like to kiss too due to ash-tray breath.
This is actually one of my silver bullet questions when taking a go-go girl. If she hesitates or says "nid noi" then I know there is no point in taking her. Nic will say the issue is my beard, and that may be true. But Thais are not a kissing culture.I really think a one or two day growth is worse for girls with sensitive skin than a beard, assuming the beard is clean. I try to shave well just before any session to minimise the scratchiness. This is not always convenient, so have battery shaver too. Some Thais dislike the DFK due to the redness on lips and around mouth from a scratchy stubble. Not all girls are so sensitive of course.
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A damn site cheaper as well. Personally I think the girls attitudes are more hit than miss in Soi 6 than they are in Soi cowboy.
Regards.
BJI personally had a lot of good luck in Soi Cowboy. Girls from Baccara, Doll's House, Suzi Wong, Sheba, Shark, Midnight, almost every one was good and I recall one dud from Tilac and another dud from Long Gun. I really spend significant time choosing fun but not crazy girls, good dancers, and it usually pays off. Perhaps I forget some other crap girls.
Nana Plaza works less well for me, as it seems to have more of a hurry hurry culture. Girls in a big hurry to be avoided of course. Seems tougher to pick the good ones there.
Your comments here are a good example of why I am enjoying the comparison between Bangkok & elsewhere.
This topic was initially raised by a post from Rick Rock.
One point that hasn't been mentioned yet is the ease of obtaining BBFS in Bangkok compared to the USA.
It is far, far easier to find.
I'd rather stay in my home country and wank alone if that was not the case verses coming to BKK to use a plastic baggie.
The value I put on that is that it's priceless.
BTW North American girls are way more into kissing than TGs who get a F in that department. I suspect European ladies are also superior to Thais where this is concerned.
The "rude little rodent who will not get very far in the customer service game" was me. The same person who has created a thriving business in the shape of the salon in an extremely competitive industry and location in the past 12 months. OMG, imagine what I could achieve if I stopped being flat out rude and took lessons on customer service from a true expert like yourself! Actually while you are in town perhaps I could pay you an exorbitant amount of money in return for some top grade tuition? I promise I will get the ladies to hide so as not to offend your cosmopolitan sense of beauty.
Regards.
BJHey Doc. Been reading a few of your post. Just wanted to comment that I was at your BJ Salon February 2012 and really enjoy the woman I had that was chosen for me, first time jitters. Any how, she cleaned me and was very thorough in her duties. She wanted more, stated she was horny but I didn't want to waste a shot knowing I was hitting the soapies afterwards. I would return and I look forward to trying your other establishments.
Good luck with the business model, and I'll see you in January.
Skeet
Hey Doc. Been reading a few of your post. Just wanted to comment that I was at your BJ Salon February 2012 and really enjoy the woman I had that was chosen for me, first time jitters. Any how, she cleaned me and was very thorough in her duties. She wanted more, stated she was horny but I didn't want to waste a shot knowing I was hitting the soapies afterwards. I would return and I look forward to trying your other establishments.
Good luck with the business model, and I'll see you in January.
SkeetThank you for the positive post. If you have never tried a Nuru massage I thoroughly recommend it. I am sure you will have put your nervous jitters to one side, however if you want a lady recommended to you please just ask. Appreciate your wishes of good luck and look forward to seeing you again in January.
Regards.
BJ
Arriving January on 3 year contract. Lots of anticipation.
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Very good post, as long as you understand that he was being sarcastic, and that everything he suggests has to be avoided. Therefore a good post, once you transform all the recommendations into "avoid" places.Whoever doesn't recognize this sarcasm open on the plate really deserves the slap in the face. After all we need just a tiny little bit of common sense to survive.
Whoever doesn't recognize this sarcasm open on the plate really deserves the slap in the face. After all we need just a tiny little bit of common sense to survive.Rubbish. Newbies would not know it's bad advice if they are not aquainted with the places at all. Those places are normally not discussed anymore.
If it's entertaining to some, great for them.
I miss the old days when I used to get a lot of laughs from Nic's extended reports, when he did not need sarcasm as the main humour device.
Rubbish. Newbies would not know it's bad advice if they are not aquainted with the places at all. Those places are normally not discussed anymore.
If it's entertaining to some, great for them.
I miss the old days when I used to get a lot of laughs from Nic's extended reports, when he did not need sarcasm as the main humour device.Don't tell me that you are one of those who genuinely believe you can offer any random lady in even one country in the world the equivalent of 5000 Baht for a lay and don't risk to be slapped. In that case my advice would be: go and try Saudi Arabia. No sarcasm involved, lol.
The best way to hook up with them is to approach any girl you think is HOT, . You can increase the odds by approaching girls that are with their families. This is because supporting elders is deeply ingrained in Thai culture and the girl will "make merit" by agreeing in front of her parents to go with you.
BunkyBunky, this is hilarious!
Rubbish. Newbies would not know it's bad advice if they are not aquainted with the places at all. Those places are normally not discussed anymore.
If it's entertaining to some, great for them.
I miss the old days when I used to get a lot of laughs from Nic's extended reports, when he did not need sarcasm as the main humour device.Sad that some guys seem to enjoy seeing others being ripped off, just because they are newbies. And even if they are dumb, which remain to be proven, I can't see the pleasure in letting them be duped. Not my sense of humour.
Actually, I got more kisses (and really good ones) from Thai WGs than I ever got from European hookers. And kissing is supposed to be part of our culture.Note that you said WG and I did not.
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. stated she was horny but I didn't want to waste a shot knowing I was hitting the soapies afterwards."waste a shot" LOL. It is allowable to fuck without cumming. Perhaps she should have said she was horny before you blew, so you could have finished with the blow job. In my case, I am always willing to give DATY if she has a nice pussy, free of charge. Sperm levels are then not relevant.
Next time, go to the soapy first. Later, when still horny, can do the BJ bar. A very skilled BJ can just about always get another shot out of you after any sort of break.
Personally I have used the BJ bar when very pushed for time, a very short mongering window. That is it's best use for me. For guys that really only like BBBJ, then BJ bar is definitely the place I guess.
Pussycheck
12-19-12, 17:36
Where do you find the better looking girls nowadays. In Bangkok or in Pattaya? And where is the service quality higher? I guess that the girls in Pattaya have lower prices than the ones in Bangkok. I consider to visit Pattaya just for the girls there when I stay in Bangkok. Is it worth to go to Pattaya or better to stay in Bangkok? The girls in the Baccara bar in Soi Cowboy in Bangkok for example are said to be very good looking and provide a very good service too.
Where do you find the better looking girls nowadays. In Bangkok or in Pattaya? And where is the service quality higher? I guess that the girls in Pattaya have lower prices than the ones in Bangkok. I consider to visit Pattaya just for the girls there when I stay in Bangkok. Is it worth to go to Pattaya or better to stay in Bangkok? The girls in the Baccara bar in Soi Cowboy in Bangkok for example are said to be very good looking and provide a very good service too.Either place has nice looking girls and good service. Just negotiate what you want. Don't expect her to kiss or do BBBJ. Ask the girl what she does.
Generally the prices are less in Pattaya.
I am a numbers guy. I like to fuck 2 girls a day, minimum. You get more bang for the buck in Pattaya.
But you should have a good time in either place.
Whoever doesn't recognize this sarcasm open on the plate really deserves the slap in the face. After all we need just a tiny little bit of common sense to survive.We have many members of this forum who do not speak English as their first language. It can be hard for them to recognize sarcasm, irony, etc.
We have many members of this forum who do not speak English as their first language. It can be hard for them to recognize sarcasm, irony, etc.OK, that explains alot. I am very sarcastic. But it seems many on here don't get it or take it personally. This is a site where we mostly discuss fucking ladies and paying them. Right? Is everything suppose to be very serious? I think some have never in the military or part of a team environment, where scarcasm is a way to survive.
Pointy Stick
12-20-12, 06:41
Where do you find the better looking girls nowadays. In Bangkok or in Pattaya? And where is the service quality higher? I guess that the girls in Pattaya have lower prices than the ones in Bangkok. I consider to visit Pattaya just for the girls there when I stay in Bangkok. Is it worth to go to Pattaya or better to stay in Bangkok? The girls in the Baccara bar in Soi Cowboy in Bangkok for example are said to be very good looking and provide a very good service too.That you're asking is so general and the answer really depends on:
1. What you consider to be good looking.
2. How much time you have on your holiday.
3. How much money you are willing to part with.
I would have to honestly say that there are better looking girls in BKK simply because it is a numbers games in the end but whether they are available at your particular price point is another question. You can go to places like Airport in Pattaya and find good quality spinners to though. Ideally you should try both places and make you mind up yourself instead of potentially missing out based on an anonymous internet forum. Bear in mind that Pattaya is only 2. 5 hours away from Bangkok so its not like you will be locked in if you decide its not all that but having boots on the ground is a more decisive factor that reading about it.
The service quality also depends upon the girl and unless you get a particular recommendation no one can reasonably answer it.
BTW what's all the hate directed at Dr BJ's about? I went there last week and had a great time with Gon. Still waiting for the Pattaya branch to open though.
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Hi guys,
I travel a lot bcs of my job. I got tired of cheap bar girls and really can recommend you guys to try out this service. The girls are superb, very sexy, polite, clean and professional.
The ladies speak good english, what makes it easy for you to communicate and share a great time.
I prefer to pay for a service like this rather than hanging around for hrs in bars, getting wasted and dropping home with a girl who probably not even makes you happy.
I have tried this service for a few times now and I never got disappointed. Ora is amazing.)
Everything is very smooth, discreet and private. You really get what you are paying for.
Best of all, you can book them 24/7.)
Cheers and enjoy,
Mike.
http://www.bangkok-web-escort.comOf course you would not be promting you own site would you Mike. LOL.
I know a few girls who work for escort sites and their general client base is Middle Eastern customers. Those who pretend to be religious but then when in BKK can have some naughty fun in their room. They cannot go out to get girls from bars etc. And cannot be seen with a girl, but can call up an escort for room service.
Everyone else can go and get girls for much lower prices from bars and clubs and massage places. But hey. If you are pretending to be a religious man and cannot go get a girl, then yes, you can pay through the nose for a poor performing escort girl. Its a rip off but there are people out there who have to pay 300 to 500% over the normal rate, for their privacy reasons.
Actually, I got more kisses (and really good ones) from Thai WGs than I ever got from European hookers. And kissing is supposed to be part of our culture.
(snip)
In the Western culture kissing is more part of love which is the reason. IMHO- that Western WG are reluctant to kiss (any type of kisses) as they feel it is too personal.My experience is almost exclusively with Canadian P4P girls who were streetwalking drug addicts.
Around 90% of them were willing to lip kiss and or French kiss.
I usually made a deal with them of 10 minutes kissing for 10 dollars Canadian, which is about 10 USD.
That would be enough money to get them a rock.
After 10 minutes kissing I'd give her the 10 dollars, go find another girl & repeat the same thing.
Used their various services for several years before coming to LOS instead.
Many of these Canuck hookers would also give up BBFS, though you'ld probably pay quite a lot more for that (comparable to BKK prices). As a group they have a high rate of HIV & STIs, and work in an area where there is lots of theft and violence. You can probably guess as to the service levels & hotel conditions.
I am not aware if an area of such types exists in BKK or if lower sukhumvit streetwalkers would go for the aforementioned type of deal.
That you're asking is so general and the answer really depends on:
BTW what's all the hate directed at Dr BJ's about? I went there last week and had a great time with Gon. Still waiting for the Pattaya branch to open though.I agree. I'm going to BKK soon and will visit his salons for the first time, don't want him to be all cranky when I get there, due to all the hate you direct at him here. Dr BJ, don't let a few keyboard warriors get you down! See you in a couple of weeks.
OK, that explains alot. I am very sarcastic. But it seems many on here don't get it or take it personally. This is a site where we mostly discuss fucking ladies and paying them. Right? Is everything suppose to be very serious? I think some have never in the military or part of a team environment, where scarcasm is a way to survive.So, for you, helping newbies to get ripped off, is what makes you laugh? There are other ways to be sarcastic. And, By the way, I feel privileged to have avoided all my life being in a military environment. I am not sure that it is the best palce to enjoy humour and have a good laugh.
OTE=Dreams; 1362978]So, for you, helping newbies to get ripped off, is what makes you laugh? There are other ways to be sarcastic. And, By the way, I feel privileged to have avoided all my life being in a military environment. I am not sure that it is the best palce to enjoy humour and have a good laugh.[/QUOTE]
Actually, your posts make me laugh.
It is obvious you never served and have no idea what I am talking about.
Too bad for you. You could really use it. From your reads, you seem to be part of the "pussification of men" in the world today.
OK, that explains alot. I am very sarcastic.Actually you are not one of the most sarcastic at all. When you heap shit on something, you do it in a straight forward obvious way.
Wolvenvacht
12-20-12, 20:40
My experience is almost exclusively with Canadian P4P girls who were streetwalking drug addicts.
Around 90% of them were willing to lip kiss and or French kiss.I do not think this category of girls can be considered to represent the average WG, but I confess I am not at all knowledgeable of that part of the market.
Crazy4Thai
12-21-12, 05:39
I agree. I'm going to BKK soon and will visit his salons for the first time, don't want him to be all cranky when I get there, due to all the hate you direct at him here. Dr BJ, don't let a few keyboard warriors get you down! See you in a couple of weeks.Being of Scottish ancestry my ownself I'm just the kind of cheap bastard that he's marketing to. This was my first opportunity to try the place and I say it was great! I chose Nee and she was open to all suggestions with a great attitude and an exceptional work ethic. People who've complained about the facilities are telling stories. It's clean, fresh and comfortable. There were probably 10 or so ladies available when I dropped in around 4 pm. I had a nice chat with the Doc first and he's just the kind of guy you could have a couple of beers and a laugh with. As a side note, when I left I did notice an extremely pretty and sexy staff member at the Dr. BJ's NURU shop right next door. I wanted to stop and stare but had not consumed any alcohol yet.
I agree. I'm going to BKK soon and will visit his salons for the first time, don't want him to be all cranky when I get there, due to all the hate you direct at him here. Dr BJ, don't let a few keyboard warriors get you down! See you in a couple of weeks.Thank you for the support Deakyo, I look forward to welcoming you at the Salon. I am completely unfazed by the personal attacks on here, it makes me chuckle to read them and in a way I feel sorry for them. Now I am not saying I like being confrontational in person, however, I would have a lot more respect for these guys if they came and spoke to me face to face in a calm and mature fashion. But that is never going to happen.
What you have to bear in mind is that some of these people have a financial interest in other venues or they are very good friends with someone who does. They want people to go to these other venues and stay away from mine. They believe that personal attacks on me will persuade people to stay away from the Salon or the two new places. Pita summed it up best, he stated he has been to the Salon, did not like it and probably will not go back. He does not like the venue but could not give two squirts of [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) whether I am a complete arsehole or a diamond geezer because it is not relevant. I have total respect for his point of view and his honesty.
Sadly there are people in this world who believe they can make their own candle burn brighter by blowing out other peoples.
Regards.
BJ
As a side note, when I left I did notice an extremely pretty and sexy staff member at the Dr. BJ's NURU shop right next door. I wanted to stop and stare but had not consumed any alcohol yet.The alcohol is needed for what? Losing the shyness to enable you to fully oggle the girl? I am a fully sober monger. One or two drinks is about the most when I play up, but not at all necessary. I take a long time to finish, so I do not need any anaesthetising affects of alcohol. I do understand however that alcohol may help slow down for senstive guys who normally cum too quick.
It should be possible to relax without alcohol.
I do not think this category of girls can be considered to represent the average WG, but I confess I am not at all knowledgeable of that part of the market.I'd opine definitely not representative of Western SP's, though IME to a much lesser extent serious drug addiction seems to occur amongst BKK P4P streetwalkers, and reportedly also in the gogos.
I think you will find that Thai youngters find it gross far more so than westerners who are used to seeing it on the TV. That would be my experience.
When it comes to sex, you find that some Thais are into it (DFK) and some are not. Its becoming more common in the modern day. With westerners, very few avoid it in normal relationships.
For hookers, whether eastern or western, some do it greatly and others don't. Can't beat Brazillians for luscious lips and DFK in my opinion. Probbly only a small percentage of Thais are super at DFK. I know some European hookers who are fabulous at it. So overall I would says the Europeans win (in P4P field) or are at least equal.
I am biased by mostly avoiding European girls who don't like kissing. Your Thai GF does not sound exactly typical.
P. S. I try to maximise the pleasantness to kiss, by not smoking and by cleaning teeeth, mouth and tongue regularly. Thais are sensitive to bad breath and any bad odours at all. There is one Thai girl I do not like to kiss too due to ash-tray breath.Re bad breath I had a P4P TG who wouldn't kiss during sex the other day, but after a shot of listerine she became a wild DFK.
That was one of the rare times I forgot to mouthwash myself.
Recently another regular, quite the beauty, surprised me by initiating DFK from the get go and almost non stop throughout intercourse.
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FFF. Throw her away & get a new one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWw_vvi06jE
OTE=Dreams; 1362978]So, for you, helping newbies to get ripped off, is what makes you laugh? There are other ways to be sarcastic. And, By the way, I feel privileged to have avoided all my life being in a military environment. I am not sure that it is the best palce to enjoy humour and have a good laugh.Actually, your posts make me laugh.
It is obvious you never served and have no idea what I am talking about.
Too bad for you. You could really use it. From your reads, you seem to be part of the "pussification of men" in the world today.[/QUOTE]Actually I did "serve". Did it ever cross your mind that one can "serve" outside a military environement? Such as spending a few years in a deprived part of the worl, providing medical help? Just a thought for you."pussification of men"? Ee, a new concept. Maybe you are still trying to be "sarcastic".
I have never had a problem either. In fact I can't think of any that did not DFK.
But I am clean and carry mouth wash with me.
If you stink like shit and your breath smells, good luck.Wow 100 percent. That is amazing success.
But then you chat up, romance, wine and dine your hookers. I OTOH never do.
I'm not interested in talking to them beyond the bare essentials of making the deal.
Nor am I interested in standing around being vamped by small flying disease ridden creatures in and around NEP and the open bars in the vicinity.
I don't look like Brad Pitt or Sean Connery either.
I have more success getting DFK from the ugly or average lookers, but the beauties are the ones I really want to DFK.
BTW it is often said here that BKK has more attractive ladies than Pattaya.
Crazy4Thai
12-21-12, 16:15
It should be possible to relax without alcohol.It seems you took a giant leap with what I intended as a somewhat humorous remark. I think it would be rude to just stop and stare for a noticeable length of time. Unless I intended to book her perhaps, but since I had just finished I would have simply been staring. If you are comfortable with that go ahead. The fact that I am not does not mean I am unable to relax without alcohol or that there is something wrong with me. Or perhaps you were simply sharing your wisdom again. It strikes me that if you are not a preacher you really missed your calling 'cause God knows you sure can preach. Is that what your handle means? Polish Preacher?
But all joking aside, reading your posts it's clear you do like a pretty face. Maybe you should go have a look because she was quite something and I've been here long enough to see some real beauties.
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It seems you took a giant leap with what I intended as a somewhat humorous remark. I think it would be rude to just stop and stare for a noticeable length of time. Unless I intended to book her perhaps, but since I had just finished I would have simply been staring. If you are comfortable with that go ahead. The fact that I am not does not mean I am unable to relax without alcohol or that there is something wrong with me. Or perhaps you were simply sharing your wisdom again. It strikes me that if you are not a preacher you really missed your calling 'cause God knows you sure can preach. Is that what your handle means? Polish Preacher?
But all joking aside, reading your posts it's clear you do like a pretty face. Maybe you should go have a look because she was quite something and I've been here long enough to see some real beauties.Sorry, I probably needed a smilie to recognise it as some sort of joke. Certainly seemed a strange thing to say.
Wow 100 percent. That is amazing success.
But then you chat up, romance, wine and dine your hookers. I OTOH never do.
I'm not interested in talking to them beyond the bare essentials of making the deal.
Nor am I interested in standing around being vamped by small flying disease ridden creatures in and around NEP and the open bars in the vicinity.
I don't look like Brad Pitt or Sean Connery either.
I have more success getting DFK from the ugly or average lookers, but the beauties are the ones I really want to DFK.
BTW it is often said here that BKK has more attractive ladies than Pattaya.?
It takes 30 seconds to walk into a MP, or SW, of FL and introduce yourself and ask: Do you kiss with mouth open, do you BBBJ, do you have sex no condom, do you whatever.
They are not there to be wined and dined. Most want to get down to business just like you.
And 99% of these girls understand the sex questions.
It is not rocket science. At least I don't approach it that way.
Sorry, I probably needed a smilie to recognise it as some sort of joke. Certainly seemed a strange thing to say.Had the same feeling: was not understanding why "no alcohol enough" was the deal breaker.
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It takes 30 seconds to walk into a MP, or SW, of FL and introduce yourself and ask: Do you kiss with mouth open, do you BBBJ, do you have sex no condom, do you whatever.
They are not there to be wined and dined. Most want to get down to business just like you.
And 99% of these girls understand the sex questions.
It is not rocket science. At least I don't approach it that way.You claim all the TGs DFK you. My experience is otherwise, like maybe 50 percent I asked about it. Overall less than 10 percent, perhaps, but I don't ask every TG and this is somewhthing I've found they very rarely initiate on their own when the subject is not raised. In Canada OTOH IME it's more like 90 percent agreed to do it. Virtually all of my girls have been P4P and streetwalkers, not from MP's or gogos.
Before your most recent trip you spent many hours online chatting up TGs and later met some of them in person. I never do that. Girls that are chatterbugs with me are one & done. Maybe some girls find it rude that I want to get right to business without talking.
I've had at least one girl go with me, apparently agreeing to DFK but refusing in my room. I kicked her out without pay after some closed mouth kissing. Perhaps her understanding of English was next to nothing, like a bunch of other TGs I've picked up over the years.
True, it's not rocket science to pick up a TG. But the point in my post had to do with investigating reasons why one guy claims 100 percent of TGs he's been with DFK him, while another who's been with dozens of them has a radicly different experience. So more pertinent to the issue is not the 30 second pickup but what happens between then & the makeout and or sex sessions.
BTW I'm over 50, don't speak Thai, am not Brad Pitt's twin, and it's possible I may look somewhat EI to some ladies. I have no beard, though often a bit of facial growth, like a day or two, & it grows fast.
While I take good care of my oral hygiene, that doesn't mean every girl will find the smell of my mouth pleasing, which can vary from person to person depending on things like health, diet, etc. But I don't gorge on huge amounts of onions & garlic. My diet is Western.
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Hot thai girl?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vnm74_1hy0
NicFrenchy
12-22-12, 04:21
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It takes 30 seconds to walk into a MP, or SW, of FL and introduce yourself and ask: Do you kiss with mouth open, do you BBBJ, do you have sex no condom, do you whatever.It also takes 5 seconds for the girl to say "yes", take you to the room and then let you realise she had no clue what you were talking about by refusing to do what you asked for.
Crazy4Thai
12-22-12, 06:44
Had the same feeling: was not understanding why "no alcohol enough" was the deal breaker.What deal breaker? That I resisted the urge to stop and stare? And where does "enough" fit into this? For what it's worth I do not understand you either.
Geeze o man. The guy made a silly/humorous comment about how he thought to stop and stare at some chick but he was thirsty and wasn't really considering being a customer so he just kept walking. Yinz don't need to do a Master's thesis on the etymology in order to understand the comment made as an aside.
recently, tried a girl lai (wi-lai) at suzie wong. sorry, i don't know numbers. nearly took "bom bam" too but decided one was enough this time. smallish tits but otherwise slim hot curves. worst feature is nose a bit too broad, otherwise very nice looking. chemistry was good and she has very sweet mouth (no smoking and paak waan too). performance very good. i usually do only short time on first occasion, but she was keen to stay all night. claimed she has to rush to [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) after cumming.
relaxed type girl in the bar, not too pushy. sw actually has quite a number of good girls (and some shockers) , when they show up."noo dee" is the best looker of all. as the staff know me, they will even give me "thumbs up" or "thumbs down" about girls, because they want me to have the best possible time.
i like also yao and not. also the following who are not there presently: bow, noi. i think nit has finished up completely. many of these were ex sheba girls. none of my favourite girls have big tits. teuan does have big naturals but personality is a bit selfish. i am choosing girls for face and arse and not worried about tit size.
sheba and sw has always been a good hunting ground for me, even though have limited real beauties, especially when i want to take double trouble combos from lesbian show. so if big tits is not important try this bar. there are some big silicones but i ignore them. if you choose well, a girl that is not too pushy, most girls are good. actually none of them discuss the price with me, probably due to my good reputation.
i think having hunting grounds where you are well known can be to your advantage. the odd drink and little tips to the favourite service staff, make them very helpful at all times too. i don't have enough mongering time available to make many mistakes over choosing girls. don't worry about the lbs in sw. they are just in the mamasan and service staff. i don't think the sw music selection is as good as sheba was. the dj needs to wake up and pick some better stuff. i might tell the management that the girls don't llike the music that much and the customers don't really like it that much either. also the fire-show should be eliminated.
i have had girls from baccarat for st or lt on occasions. however, i still prefer the less classy sw maybe because the style is a bit more raunchy, and the girls seem to be having more fun. its more natural. most baccarat girls look very bored and dance just a pathetic jiggle. they seem made up like dolls for the japanese customer. does not appeal to me much. girls need good music selection in order to want to dance. baccarat has too much "house" stuff i think.
i like the completely nude girls at sw. no need to try to look up some girls skirt.
i think that sw/sheba were under-rated bars. of course the talent depends on which girls are working and time of night. not many girls there, do multiple sts per evening. that way i never feel rushed or that girls are in a hurry, and at times quite the opposite. i like the lesbian show, oil show, shower show, i.e. the very sexy ones. to be honest i don't care at all about the drink price, so don't know how it compares. can of coke lite is a reasonable price for me. same for g&t, jack-soda, jaimeson, whatever i feel like at the time. i don't drink beer.
I like the completely nude girls at SW. No need to try to look up some girls skirt.I like the semi-nude or modestly dressed streewalking working girls of lower sukhumvit.
Semi-nude as in bare legs, bare arms, tight clothes that don't leave much to the imagination, and sometimes lots of visible cleavage.
The modest dressers are like opening a Cracker Jacks box to see what the prize is, or a Chrismas present that you don't know what's inside.
Sometimes I am pleasantly surprised at the ass or to find big beautiful boobs.
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HOT! Thai Girls in Thai University Uniform.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTJZ4HUol2E
What deal breaker? That I resisted the urge to stop and stare? And where does "enough" fit into this? For what it's worth I do not understand you either.Let's put it this way: from your sentence it looked you did not pursue any action because of alcohol. That is a good and wise reason if one, under influence of alcohol, can detect his "poor" status.
Whether that was a joke or serious, it came clear later as there was no sign of sarcas. Maybe necaise not all are mother language.
Cheers
Sometimes I am pleasantly surprised at the ass or to find big beautiful boobs.Yes I understand. I am a very boring dude. I don't like surprises at all, especially if its a bomb site or a dick. I like to check the waist, crotch and bottom in detail before choosing something that gets a rise in my pants. I haven't got time for taking a chance.
Sometimes seeing a girl in bikini is quite good enough to be very convincing like my Annies model. I don't really like girls in frilly skirts though. Just bikini bottom would be better.
I do appreciate some guys like the surprise of the unwrapping.
NicFrenchy
12-22-12, 18:09
The odd drink and little tips to the favourite service staff, make them very helpful at all times too.Residents and Regulars: Take note. This is the way to do it. Servers are privy to all the stories that happen between girls and know which ones are good (or not). A few drinks and tip here and there will always be rewarded. Great Advice.
I like the completely nude girls at SW. No need to try to look up some girls skirt.Well the girls upstairs go completely nude these days.
Member #4698
12-22-12, 18:36
I appreciate your Suzie reports. I am a big Baccara devote. What can I say? I like the place and have my favorites there. They know me at Baccara and I get treated real well. But, there is always room on my dance card for another quality Go Go. I think I only poked my head in to Suzie Wong once or twice, didn't like what I saw and left quickly. Sounds like that was my loss. I am going to make a point of checking out Suzie Wong next trip and giving it a fair try.
Relaxed type girl in the bar, not too pushy. SW actually has quite a number of good girls (and some shockers), when they show up. “Noo Dee" is the best looker of all. I like also Yao and Not.Good to know. I know what you mean by 'good girls. '
Sheba and SW has always been a good hunting ground for me, even though have limited real beauties, especially when I want to take double trouble combos from lesbian show. So if big tits is not important try this bar.Silicone tits are a turn off for me. I always prefer girls with natural 'A' and 'B' cups. There is one Baccara girl I have known for 3. 5 years. When I first met her she had beautiful small natural Thai mounds. She is a very sweet girl. I had great sex with her. A couple of years ago she made a capital investment in her infrastructure with silicone breasts. With her top on they look good. Not too big, they just give her a fuller upper body look. With her top off it is not so good. Her breasts look like round baseballs. She is still the same charming girl I always knew. I continue to bar fine her occasionally because we are old friends and crikey I don't want to be mean to her. I know that sounds nuts, but other than her tits, she is very pretty and has a great slim little body that is always ready for action. But the baseball tits ruined her IMHO. Of course I do not tell her this, but now it takes longer for me to have an orgasm with her. She noticed the change in me and tries extra hard to get me to cum now. Last time I was with her she said I could fuck her without a condom if I wanted. Like I said she is a great girl and she goes the whole 9 yards to make me happy. Incidentally, she is very happy with her investment. It has given her a good return on her money. She is a very popular Baccara girl, but then she was popular before the surgery too.
I think having hunting grounds where you are well known can be to your advantage. The odd drink and little tips to the favorite service staff make them very helpful at all times too.I am been saying this for a long time. Strategically placed tips to service staff have real benefits. And always treat your girls good. Word gets around fast in a Go Go and the benefits of being perceived as a good guy mounts.
I have had girls from Baccarat for ST or LT on occasions. However, I still prefer the less classy SW maybe because the style is a bit raunchier, and the girls seem to be having more fun. It’s more natural. Most Baccarat girls look very bored and dance just a pathetic jiggle.Yep, that's the Baccara shuffle. There are so many girls on stage they really can't be expected to dance. It is basically a line up. See the girl you like and ask her over for a drink. But most, not all the Baccara girls I have met are real nice girls. The are straight up girls. They want your business and they want to show you a good time. In fact I never had a bad session with any of these girls. A few pulled the 'I want to get back to the bar and find another customer' thing. That is their perogative, but I never barfine that girl again. Later they realize they fucked up with me. But most of the girls are happy with one ST bar fine a night and prefer not to go back to the bar unless I ask them to accompany me, in which case, they do not get back on stage. Hell many nights a girl never gets barfined.
I think that SW/Sheba were under-rated bars. Of course the talent depends on which girls are working and time of night. Not many girls there do multiple STs per evening. That way I never feel rushed or that girls are in a hurry, and at times quite the opposite.Yes, that is the way it should be.
Silicone tits are a turn off for me. I always prefer girls with natural 'A' and 'B' cups. There is one Baccara girl I have known for 3. 5 years. When I first met her she had beautiful small natural Thai mounds. She is a very sweet girl. I had great sex with her. A couple of years ago she made a capital investment in her infrastructure with silicone breasts. With her top on they look good. Not too big, they just give her a fuller upper body look. With her top off it is not so good. Her breasts look like round baseballs. She is still the same charming girl I always knew.Could be the same girl I know LOL. I furst took a sweet small tits very cute girl when went there with two senior members maybe 3 years back. Another senior member showed up there too. Later she put the silicones on just like you describe, almost like baseballs. Name escapes me right now but it should be in the monger phone I guess or my back reports. I think it was Gung (Goong).
Well the girls upstairs go completely nude these days.I thought a lot had too much Bush, and mostly they were the ugly / ordinary ones, or a bit overweight. At Baccarat I definitely thought the lookers were all down stairs.
Silicone tits are a turn off for me. I always prefer girls with natural 'A' and 'B' cups.Yeah, once they get silicone I never go near them again. Bo and Bam from Mango ruined themselves in my opinion.
An ex of mine who would become a Baccara girl later got a nose job about 2 years ago. Destroyed her looks. She's now cleaning her friends apartment for a living apparently.
Yeah, once they get silicone I never go near them again. Bo and Bam from Mango ruined themselves in my opinion.
An ex of mine who would become a Baccara girl later got a nose job about 2 years ago. Destroyed her looks. She's now cleaning her friends apartment for a living apparently.Any idea where Bam went to after leaving Mango? Always a nice attitude from her.
NicFrenchy
12-23-12, 12:35
I thought a lot had too much Bush, and mostly they were the ugly / ordinary ones, or a bit overweight. At Baccarat I definitely thought the lookers were all down stairs.You're right, the upstairs girls are (in my opinion) at best 6/10. And many are tattoed, fake Silicon boobs. I was there last time (upstairs) and I must say: I would have never paid for any of these girls.
Downstairs quality is better
Yes I understand. I am a very boring dude. I don't like surprises at all, especially if its a bomb site or a dick. I like to check the waist, crotch and bottom in detail before choosing something that gets a rise in my pants. I haven't got time for taking a chance.
Sometimes seeing a girl in bikini is quite good enough to be very convincing like my Annies model. I don't really like girls in frilly skirts though. Just bikini bottom would be better.
I do appreciate some guys like the surprise of the unwrapping.Don't get me wrong. It's not about boredom at all. I just prefer streetwalkers for various reasons, including the fact that they are usually at least 2. 5 to 3 times cheaper than your fully nude types.
The particular streetwalkers I have chosen are chosen because of what I see of the package before it is fully opened. I already like it when I first see it out on the street. The fact that often the fully nude version of the girl is even more outstanding is just an added bonus or surprise.
The streetwalkers (SWs) are often of the same quality as hot MP or gogo girls, though with slight flaws that might exclude them from those venues, if they were totally naked. Picking up SWs is often, therefore, a case of getting brand name quality at no name prices, like 50 to 80 percent off.
Once you open the package & find a gem, you can get that discount price everytime you rent the same item. And after the first time you already know what is in the package. It's only a phone call away.
It's much easier to check out a SW's bottom as she walks about than one sitting in a bar. I can usually tell if it appeals to me with the clothes on. Crotch & waist mean little if anything compared to what Jude Law called in the movie FBB, face, boobs and butt. I'd also add hair style & colour, arms & legs, all of which are generally apparent in SWs.
Sorry but that girl cannot be considered hot. That nose just kills her other fine features. Now I get why you find streetwalkers kinda hot.
Another rain. 4 girl did the deed. A girl alreday with size see cups went bigger. OMG they look awful!
You can't blame her though I've never seen her get a barfine. I wonder where she got the money? Maybe she is like the good dr making great $$$$$$$s its just that I never see it. LOL.Beyond your sentence about streetwalkers (SWs) I have little idea what you are talking about. You seem to be "mow mak mak".
The nose is big, but that's quite common in non white Thai P4P girls in the farang market. Have you never been to Thailand?
With my bare condomless dick pounding her pussy and tongue deep inside her mouth, I guarantee you I wouldn't be seeing her nose let alone worried about its size.
BTW recently several comments here have spoken of how disgusted they are with TGs who got nose jobs.
Is she hot? That depends on your definition of the word. She's definitely attractive, young & pretty & I'd rate her 7 out of a possible perfect 10.
Tough there are quite a few streetwalker (SW's) stunners I'd rate at from 8 to 10 that have made up my harem over the years.
Perhaps some of the following are more to your taste.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTJZ4HUol2E
Hey guys,
I will touch down at BKK next week at 1230am, but will only be able to check in the hotel in the afternoon.
Lets say I get a streetwalker, is it possible to get a last minute hotel with her? And what are the rates per night or short time for a room?
Thanks folks. Staying at my hotel lobby for 12 hours++ would be really lame.
Any idea where Bam went to after leaving Mango? Always a nice attitude from her.No clue. I lost all interest once she got the implants.
had some time before a work dinner today and decided to take a walk over to som's haven or whatever the bj bar in the subsoi off of soi 14 is called.
to get to the place you walk past this restaurant suda and a massage place that i think used to be nice girls. anyway, the place is the only lit up sign in that end of the soi so i would say the entrance isn't really discreet.
when i arrived there was a woman sitting outside and another standing just beyond the shop on the phone. i went inside and there was a thai guy about to come out. he turned around and went back to the desk. i was followed by the woman that was sitting outside while another woman headed out. so all in all there were 3 available girls. luckily the only one that was cute had followed me in. they guided me to sit on the sofa but i was just as happy on the barstool as i didn't have time. they offered a drink and i declined as i needed to get back to the hotel in 25 mins to change for dinner.
i was asked if i had been there before and i told the i had not. they brought out a laminated menu of what was on offer. hj, bj, body2body, etc. i opted for the bj and upstairs we went. the room was larger and nicer than i recall at dr. bj. the girl cleaned me up and went to work. i started to work my way into her shirt and she stood up and took her shirt and bra off very nice a cups. as she was working she made eye contact pretty often. great eyes. she did a good job and i was pretty happy with both the room, the girl and the demeanor of the thai cashier.
so when i recall my experiences at [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901), dr. bj, sol and som's, i'd choose som's over the others.
I opted for the BJ and upstairs we went.How about you tell us how much you've paid for the BJ service. Thanks in advance
with only 2-3 weeks left til my bkk trip i've started gathering info on bj bars and massage parlours, and their locations. any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. i am not interested in gogo bars or night clubs, just "enter, pick girl, have fun, pay, leave"-establishments. so far i've gathered these:
1. drbj's salon, budget bangers, nuru massage.
2. [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900).
3. annies massage.
4. darling massage.
5. eden club.
anything else in the area i have missed?
How about you tell us how much you've paid for the BJ service. Thanks in advanceGreat report from Pita123. I posted a price list before about Soms place. BJ is 700B, no silly prices like other places.
Like Pita123 said the rooms are the business, big and very clean with showers. None of the cold water on your knob nonsense.
Just to point out, I have NO business interest in ANY oral establishments. Some I frequent regularly as the service is tops and some I just point blank refuse due to bad customer service, very bad management and very ugly girls.
How about you tell us how much you've paid for the BJ service. Thanks in advance700 thai baht.
Had some time before a work dinner today and decided to take a walk over to Som's Haven or whatever the BJ bar in the subsoi off of Soi 14 is called.I think it is called "Lollipop"?
NicFrenchy
12-24-12, 11:40
I think it is called "Lollipop"?It isn't. Lollipop is soi 10
It isn't. Lollipop is soi 10Yeah, you are right. Maybe I need to go check that one out too just to make sure I've done a thorough assessment of the options.
NicFrenchy
12-24-12, 11:43
Anything else in the area I have missed?If that's a BJ you're looking for, I suggest heading over to PatpongII and go into SOL (Star of Light). Best BJ's I have had were there. It's a seedy place though.
NicFrenchy
12-24-12, 11:48
Yeah, you are right. Maybe I need to go check that one out too just to make sure I've done a thorough assessment of the options.For what it's worth, you missed up on the sleaziest bar of all: WILD COUNTRY. Now that was some of the weirdest shit happening in there. RIP.
If that's a BJ you're looking for, I suggest heading over to PatpongII and go into SOL (Star of Light). Best BJ's I have had were there. It's a seedy place though.Been there already.
For what it's worth, you missed up on the sleaziest bar of all: WILD COUNTRY. Now that was some of the weirdest shit happening in there. RIP.Yes, but too late. No point in crying over spilled cum.
Tony Hoeprano
12-24-12, 12:47
Farangs don't go for BIG schnoozola girls. LOL.
Theres 1 at Rainbow 4, realy good face but nose just overpowers everything, also small tits, but to her credit she does get barfined!
Baccara does have a loyal crowd I see. I can't see it though. Rain 4 way better!Do most girls at RB 4 do BBBJ? I heard its better to ask beforehand, but that might kill the "mood" LOL
Do most girls at RB 4 do BBBJ? I heard its better to ask beforehand, but that might kill the "mood" LOLWe took a survey last night and it turned out that 74. 3% did BBBJ but only 37. 6% did BBBJCIM. The margin of error is 45.
Just so guys don't get too excited here. LOL.
What you find on the mean streets of Bangkok are not equivalent to top mp girls or top gogo girls with slight flawsat2 to 3 times lower prices.
They are cheap for a reason. And they usually not good ones. LOL.Likewise the top girls working the streets are probably far superior to a random Gogo or MP girl.
Hot streetwalkers going for less than other sex workers creates the possibility to get a larger number of customers and make more money than venue sex workers.
They may prefer to work independently rather than in the environment or under the many rules of a MP or Gogo, etc.
Similarly some of their customers may prefer not to pick up girls in an environment of deafening music, cigarette smoke and drunken fools.
It isn't. Lollipop is soi 10Ah yes quite right. I din't know Som set up yet another one. Its hard to even think where Soi 14 is. I had to look on the Map.
Tony Hoeprano
12-24-12, 14:46
It isn't. Lollipop is soi 10I saw the girls working there. I was meeting someone at the nearby Insomnia and ventured over to 7-11 to buy some gum and the Lolipop girls were standing on the corner soliciting customers. A few girls and mamasan asked if I want blowjob so I investigated further. Afterall, its not everyday a gaggle of girls ask if you want a blowjob hehe.
All of them were absolute bottom of the barrel in the looks department! So bad I asked if the toothless mamasan if she also offered BJ LOL
I've noticed lately that the forum is making me login every few minutes. I will read a few posts and want to post something and it will make me login again. Also I noticed that the photo gallery only shows 10-15 pages now where before it showed them since the beginning. Have I missed some changed with the forum?
Showdown
I second that Frenchy. I got a BJ in the back storeroom at Wild Country while the girl say on a case of Heinekin! SOL-it is as seedy as it comes. I have had every one of those girls bent over that sink in the bathroom. I would never ever sit on that blue chair though.
If that's a BJ you're looking for, I suggest heading over to PatpongII and go into SOL (Star of Light). Best BJ's I have had were there. It's a seedy place though.
NicFrenchy
12-25-12, 08:18
All of them were absolute bottom of the barrel in the looks department! So bad I asked if the toothless mamasan if she also offered BJ LOLThat's an interesting post. And I remember a few years back a discussion about "Classes within the P4P girls", you know, like the Coyotes look down on the Bargirls and the Bargirls look down on Streetwalkers. There is a clear hierarchy between these girls as some of them don't even consider themselves to be prostitutes and make fun of other girls doing it.
I think the hierarchy may go like this (but I can be wrong) :
- Coyote girls / G Club girls.
- Freelance ladies from Hotel bars or after hours clubs, Open minded Waitresses.
- Hi-class Massage Soapies.
- Soapies in General.
- Oilies.
- Bargirls.
- BJ Bars.
- Streetwalkers.
Any other opinions on this?
1000 barfineatrainbow on Christmas eve didn't seem to deter anyone from barfining. Why? I don't get it. But bf back to 600 on Christmas Day.
BKK rocks!No wonder. People working in the festivities wants to be paid more for the effort of entertaining other people. People enjoying the festivities knows that there is a higher price to be paid. Thai people do not celebrate Christmas but take advantage of the economics around it. Can't blame them, that is what we do too. When the supply and demand principle applies to the trader it is immediately enforced. Can't see the same happening when it applies in favour of the customer. Most of traders prefer not to do business rather than decreasing their prices below a minimum.
Wolvenvacht
12-25-12, 09:28
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I think the hierarchy may go like this (but I can be wrong) :
- Coyote girls / G Club girls.
- Freelance ladies from Hotel bars or after hours clubs, Open minded Waitresses.
- Hi-class Massage Soapies.
- Soapies in General.
- Oilies.
- Bargirls.
- BJ Bars.
- Streetwalkers.
Any other opinions on this?Where do you put agogo club dancers?
I always thought they considered themselves above massage girls as they can refuse their services and set their own prices.
LiveLifeGuy
12-25-12, 10:12
Hello everyone. I just landed in BKK this afternoon. I'd love to meet fellow members if anyone's interested.
I'm 28. I'm staying in Sukhumvit.
Cheers
We hear reports of baccara girls giving 2-4 hour short times to favorite customers. LOL. Lets take it that this is true.
I've noticed recently rainbow girls specializing in the 30-32 minute short-time. I walk in I see girl walk out with man- not much time goes by I see girl back on stage. This really troubles me as I'm hesitant to barfine again. LOL. In 6 months I've barfined once and the girl was ok, but in the back of my mind I know they want get back to bar. FAST!And that is exactly what I find most unacceptable when you look at the cost. Added all up, drinks, BF, money to the gal, ST hotel room, at least 3000 baht, and that is on the cheap side. Easily could be 4k. Now if that included a 2 hr multi-shot ST with great service, hey, could be worth it. But for a 15 min wham bam; A complete rip off.
NicFrenchy
12-25-12, 10:33
Where do you put agogo club dancers?
I always thought they considered themselves above massage girls as they can refuse their services and set their own prices.I included those in the Coyote girls. Or are they different?
Wolvenvacht
12-25-12, 10:35
I included those in the Coyote girls. Or are they different?Ah, I see. I thought Coyote Girls were just there to sit and drink with you but do not offer sex or go with you outside the club.
Scorchin1470
12-25-12, 10:50
And that is exactly what I find most unacceptable when you look at the cost. Added all up, drinks, BF, money to the gal, ST hotel room, at least 3000 baht, and that is on the cheap side. Easily could be 4k. Now if that included a 2 hr multi-shot ST with great service, hey, could be worth it. But for a 15 min wham bam; A complete rip off.MPs increasingly gather in the punters. Total cost reliably calculateable, level of service reasonably as expected, and at least you can complain.
it isn't. lollipop is soi 10
yeah, you are right. maybe i need to go check that one out too just to make sure i've done a thorough assessment of the options.so i stopped by lollipop today. about 15 girls sitting outside in some sort of christmas garb. a woman gets the nod from the group to greet me and escort me inside. she asks me if i want a drink."nope" would you like to go upstairs?"yep" ok with me?"yep" she wasn't a looker but none of them were so i just went with the flow. upstairs is dark with music. reminds me of [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s with the couches and curtains. there was one customer out front having a drink, one in the lobby making out with a chick, and just me upstairs. anyway, she took me to a more private room and went to get her kit. she came back and asked me to undress. before getting on her knees she was adjusting her bra. i did some adjusting and suggested she take it off. she said she was lazy, so i helped her. really great tits. i could spend a whole day having fun with those b cups. the bj was not bad. afterward i was still horny so started to suck her tits some more. then i started to masturbate her over her shorts. after a while she lost some control then more and eventually it seems that she came. now i'm even more horny so took things into my own hands while she danced around a bit.
700 baht and i gaver her 100 baht because i'm jai dee.
so the facilities are much better at the brand knew som's haven on soi 14, but a wider selection at lollipop. of course as with all of these bj bars, they ain't lookers. name was neung.
Any other opinions on this?Well, I think that perhaps you missed some nuances.
- Wives.
- Girlfriends.
- Booth dollies / Car Show models.
- Thai G-Club Coyotes.
- Thai G-Club PR girls.
- Falang Bar Coyote girls.
- Plain massage chicks.
- Freelance ladies from Hotel bars or after hours clubs, Open minded Waitresses.
- Hi-class Massage Soapies.
- Soapies in General.
- Oilies.
- Go-go Bargirls.
- Beerbar girls
- BJ Bars.
- Streetwalkers.
Surely I'm forgetting some and surely someone will think my order is off a bit.
I think the hierarchy may go like this (but I can be wrong) :
- Coyote girls / G Club girls.
- Freelance ladies from Hotel bars or after hours clubs, Open minded Waitresses.
- Hi-class Massage Soapies.
- Soapies in General.
- Oilies.
- Bargirls.
- BJ Bars.
- Streetwalkers.
Any other opinions on this?Interesting order. From one point of view (and there definitely are others) , a bargirl could be considered higher class than an MP girl of any type, because she can make herself scarce if she doesn't like the customer, and essentially has the option of not going with him. Even if he insists on barfining her, she is not forced actually go to a room and fuck him. So bargirls have more say in who their customers are than MP girls. The very best bargirls will have multiple possible customers at times, and they can try to choose the guy.
I once experienced a gogo girl who was wanted by several customers, all requesting her at the same time essentially, but after she danced she just disappeared out the back, refusing to come out to sit with any of the customers. She was a stunner with super body.
MP girls may be able to refuse to see a customer a 2nd time, by saying he refused to pay last time or wanted BB or whatever, but it is difficult for them to get out of a customer, and they may get fired, if they refuse more than very occasionally.
On the other hand girls who don't like drinking, being pawed by potential customers, etc, may prefer to work in an MP, and also may make more money if they are very popular.
Freelance bargirls would be a class higher than other bargirls, as they get no salary and only show up to work when they feel like it. The owners usually don't like to have many of these girls, but may accept if they bring good business to the bar.
Obviously, despite this logic, some bargirls act extremely low-class. We all have seen some real shockers. Also bargirls are much more likely to be: addicted to Ice, drunks, gamblers, etc.
I've noticed lately that the forum is making me login every few minutes. I will read a few posts and want to post something and it will make me login again. Also I noticed that the photo gallery only shows 10-15 pages now where before it showed them since the beginning. Have I missed some changed with the forum?
ShowdownYour logon is not retained long, if you are not a paid up member. Certain activities require being logged on. Don't know if this is relevant to you.
It is also known that post links are very fouled up right now, since quite recently, for at least many users.
Traveler1234
12-25-12, 17:58
To all those lost souls who are without family but alone in some MP, Oily or Go-go bar sucking on a cold one, my warmest wishes for the holidays and a Happy 2013. Peace be with you all! :D
John Traveller
12-25-12, 20:19
Coming back to BKK after just a half year, I must say I am I disappointed with the changes in the gogo-bar scene in just this short time. The shows are less good and the girls are less interested in barfine. On Soi Cowboy I go to my old favourite place, Suzie Wong. But the line-up has all changed. Sheba's next door is better these days, no show when I was there, but the girls seemed more approchable. Cactus is still good, nothing like belgian beer and naked girls! Recommended! At Five Stars (a live music bar) I am approached by this pretty girl, a bit drunk, but still nice. And for 1500 ST I go with her. We walk back to my hotel, then something strange happens. She "kidnaps" a baby from a woman that is sitting begging on Sukhumvit! The mother comes running and want the baby back, but the baby is just laughing. Well, eventually the baby is returned and we continue to my hotel. Finally there, I discover that the girl is more drunk than I thought before. I should have noticed that before! Anyway we get showered and undressed and she goes onto a clumsy BBBJ (teeth!) The FS isn't so good either, so I am happy to let her leave after short time.
Another evening I go to Nana Plaza, I look around on some of the newer bars. The one bar that seems best for bf these days is Erotica on the third floor. Pretty girls and they are all interested in getting barfined. Fun talking to them too. I go there twice and buy LDs for two different girls. But I don't go with any. I feel that it's just not worth it. The high Bangkok prices: 700 bf + 2000 ST (they have beds upstairs) or 4000 LT is just to much when you just doesn't know what to expect. There is a high chance that the experience in bed is not so good as the outer apperance of the girl. That's my experience anyway. I got those vibes that it would not be so good. But anybody has a good experience barfining a girl from this place?
Coming back to BKK after just a half year, I must say I am I disappointed with the changes in the gogo-bar scene in just this short time. The shows are less good and the girls are less interested in barfine. On Soi Cowboy I go to my old favourite place, Suzie Wong. But the line-up has all changed. Sheba's next door is better these days, no show when I was there, but the girls seemed more approchable. Cactus is still good, nothing like belgian beer and naked girls! Recommended! At Five Stars (a live music bar) I am approached by this pretty girl, a bit drunk, but still nice. And for 1500 ST I go with her. We walk back to my hotel, then something strange happens. She "kidnaps" a baby from a woman that is sitting begging on Sukhumvit! The mother comes running and want the baby back, but the baby is just laughing. Well, eventually the baby is returned and we continue to my hotel. Finally there, I discover that the girl is more drunk than I thought before. I should have noticed that before! Anyway we get showered and undressed and she goes onto a clumsy BBBJ (teeth!) The FS isn't so good either, so I am happy to let her leave after short time.
Another evening I go to Nana Plaza, I look around on some of the newer bars. The one bar that seems best for bf these days is Erotica on the third floor. Pretty girls and they are all interested in getting barfined. Fun talking to them too. I go there twice and buy LDs for two different girls. But I don't go with any. I feel that it's just not worth it. The high Bangkok prices: 700 bf + 2000 ST (they have beds upstairs) or 4000 LT is just to much when you just doesn't know what to expect. There is a high chance that the experience in bed is not so good as the outer apperance of the girl. That's my experience anyway. I got those vibes that it would not be so good. But anybody has a good experience barfining a girl from this place?Good report and another good example why the Gogo's are for novices and the unadventurous.
The best advice anyone could give a newcummer to BKK. Stay in the nana-asok area. It just makes everything so ez and quick!
3000 for 2hoursatdr nurunuru. What a bargain.
1000 barfineatrainbow on Christmas eve didn't seem to deter anyone from barfining. Why? I don't get it. But bf back to 600 on Christmas day.
The absolut concert seriesatsiam finally had an audience. LOL. Imagine being a thai superstar singing to 5 people, which is what I saw for quite a few days.
BKK rocks!I fully agree with Harold's. I stayed near nana area last week and had a blast. On Soi 5 or 7 (can't remember exactly, but it's the Soi near the traffic lights) , as you enter there is a girlie bar called Morning Evening. That's TE place you may sit for a while especially facing the road. You may either pick one from the bar itself or check the gay walkers on the street and make your choice. After 2 or 3 am, you will find plenty on the street as the bars close around that time.
Is there such a thing there. If so where in soi cowboy or NEP?
Is there such a thing there. If so where in soi cowboy or NEP?Every hour is happy in NEP and Cowboy! Seriously.
Is there such a thing there. If so where in soi cowboy or NEP?Isn't it happy hour all day when you can happily spend your money.
NicFrenchy
12-26-12, 02:56
Coming back to BKK after just a half year, I must say I am I disappointed with the changes in the gogo-bar scene in just this short time. The shows are less good and the girls are less interested in barfine. On Soi Cowboy I go to my old favourite place, Suzie Wong. But the line-up has all changed. Sheba's next door is better these days, no show when I was there, but the girls seemed more approchable. Cactus is still good, nothing like belgian beer and naked girls! Recommended! At Five Stars (a live music bar) I am approached by this pretty girl, a bit drunk, but still nice. And for 1500 ST I go with her. We walk back to my hotel, then something strange happens. She "kidnaps" a baby from a woman that is sitting begging on Sukhumvit! The mother comes running and want the baby back, but the baby is just laughing. Well, eventually the baby is returned and we continue to my hotel. Finally there, I discover that the girl is more drunk than I thought before. I should have noticed that before! Anyway we get showered and undressed and she goes onto a clumsy BBBJ (teeth!) The FS isn't so good either, so I am happy to let her leave after short time.
Another evening I go to Nana Plaza, I look around on some of the newer bars. The one bar that seems best for bf these days is Erotica on the third floor. Pretty girls and they are all interested in getting barfined. Fun talking to them too. I go there twice and buy LDs for two different girls. But I don't go with any. I feel that it's just not worth it. The high Bangkok prices: 700 bf + 2000 ST (they have beds upstairs) or 4000 LT is just to much when you just doesn't know what to expect. There is a high chance that the experience in bed is not so good as the outer apperance of the girl. That's my experience anyway. I got those vibes that it would not be so good. But anybody has a good experience barfining a girl from this place?JT,
You are making some very valid points.
I am not a fan of Bars at all and I see Bargirls as small little spoiled brats (yeah, call me crazy). Upon discovering that the girl is drunk, can't one send her back to the bar and get the Barfine back?
I guess bars are full of guys with more money than brain these days.
You know, I was always wondering, how do people prepare for a trip to Bangkok? 10 years ago I would agree it was difficult to find info but now? With the internet? Are people really that stupid as to not do a little research before coming whoring in Thailand?
When I went to HK I did my research and found a few providers at prices I liked, I read reviews of where to go and what to do. OK, business got me away from doing those things but visiting a country where one knows he will monger, preliminary research is essential.
Even the Jappos do it (to some extent) with their RakuRaku magasines, websites, GDiary. Thais have their websites and discussion boards about Massage. Why can't some people research properly and end up in Bangkok paying 10k for a night at Spassos just because they did not know better?
The girls are not driving up the prices: WE ARE, by agreeing to pay them.
JT,
You are making some very valid points.
I am not a fan of Bars at all and I see Bargirls as small little spoiled brats (yeah, call me crazy). Upon discovering that the girl is drunk, can't one send her back to the bar and get the Barfine back?
I guess bars are full of guys with more money than brain these days.
You know, I was always wondering, how do people prepare for a trip to Bangkok? 10 years ago I would agree it was difficult to find info but now? With the internet? Are people really that stupid as to not do a little research before coming whoring in Thailand?
When I went to HK I did my research and found a few providers at prices I liked, I read reviews of where to go and what to do. OK, business got me away from doing those things but visiting a country where one knows he will monger, preliminary research is essential.
Even the Jappos do it (to some extent) with their RakuRaku magasines, websites, GDiary. Thais have their websites and discussion boards about Massage. Why can't some people research properly and end up in Bangkok paying 10k for a night at Spassos just because they did not know better?
The girls are not driving up the prices: WE ARE, by agreeing to pay them.So well stated. Agree with 100 percent of what you wrote.
I fully agree with Harold's. I stayed near nana area last week and had a blast. On Soi 5 or 7 (can't remember exactly, but it's the Soi near the traffic lights) , as you enter there is a girlie bar called Morning Evening. That's TE place you may sit for a while especially facing the road. You may either pick one from the bar itself or check the gay walkers on the street and make your choice. After 2 or 3 am, you will find plenty on the street as the bars close around that time."Morning Night" Soi 4.
I am not a fan of Bars at all and I see Bargirls as small little spoiled brats (yeah, call me crazy). Upon discovering that the girl is drunk, can't one send her back to the bar and get the Barfine back?Yes they are spoiled brats. Don't want to do Anal, nor CIM, and don't want to follow your orders.
The main benefit of BGs used to be LT so you can have a round as soon as you wake up, but LT is getting harder to come by.
Slightly drunk girls are okay but badly drunk, no. Send her back if drunk? That sounds silly. You should know very well if she is too drunk before BFing her.
I find bars can still provide good girls for me, but only use occassionally, as long as girl is in no hurry, and I have no time limit. I mainly take two at a time (sometimes even 3) , and mainly girls that I know already that are a lot of fun.
The biggest advantage of bars, is having a very large amount of time to choose girls very carefully, getting a face, body and personality that suits. No surprises. If unsure, then pass. The exception is super hot girls that must be BFed very quickly to beat the other guys. These are often known to be good girls already.
There is no doubt that bar girls vary tremendously. Favourite bar girls can be a lot of fun, but probably not comparible to Tulip, Mango, SW of course for PSE requirements.
I know people who don't care to read or research. They are just flat out lazy. They go to their destination, not knowing any better, and pay more than they have to. They just don't care.
Some people have the desire to do research for their holiday destination and many more don't. This ratio is no better today than it was 10-20 or 50 years ago. This ratio will never change.
Just because the internet is there that won't make the lazy any less lazy. The same personalities will overpay and the same personalities will do their research and only pay rock bottom. As before, again, this ratio will never change.
Those who constantly complain about prices going up are those who are aging and have the history to compare the difference. Chalk it up to inflation and changing market conditions. Those who complain are just getting old and are looking for someone else to blame the prices on.
Bottom line is the prices, like water, seeks its own level with respect to the ever changing world conditions and people bring this with them and display it via their own wallets. It has got nothing to do with other travelers because their mentalities, again, have not changed in recent generations. This is just the way it is. Free market conditions, nothing more.
JT,
I guess bars are full of guys with more money than brain these days.
You know, I was always wondering, how do people prepare for a trip to Bangkok? 10 years ago I would agree it was difficult to find info but now? With the internet? Are people really that stupid as to not do a little research before coming whoring in Thailand?
The girls are not driving up the prices: WE ARE, by agreeing to pay them.
Mr Enternational
12-26-12, 06:09
The girls are not driving up the prices: WE ARE, by agreeing to pay them.Come on Nic, they don't want to ruin the mood!
Just because the internet is there that won't make the lazy any less lazy. The same personalities will overpay and the same personalities will do their research and only pay rock bottom. As before, again, this ratio will never change.For those that really want to pay rock bottom, what are they doing in Bangkok? Isn't Bangkok considered to be over-priced?
What about Pattaya and Phnom Penh?
Some people want some quality and value for money rather than rock bottom. They don't stay in rock bottom Hotels, don't eat in rock bottom restaurants, and don't want rock bottom girls. When buying a phone, computer, whatever, they are looking for certain features, and will take it, as long is not outside their budget. As a I want a quality computer that never breaks down with faults. Its not the rock bottom brand, its not the exorbitant brand. Its value for money. When I go to the supermarket, I buy what I want to eat, not what ever has the best bargain price.
I have no interest in rock bottom whatsoever, so I am obviously in the "overpay" camp (actually mid range). However, I hate wasting a lot of time on hunting for the lowest price, or wasting time on very average girls. I don't want to save 500 Baht by choosing a much plainer looking girl. A fair price is quite adequate for me. At MPs the price is set but I control any extra tip. I don't take the top price category models at Soapies, because they don't look that superior to the mid range girls. Most bar girls don't even negotiate a price with me, so I have complete control deciding what I think it was worth. I must be fair, as they keep coming back.
I'll always try to avoid wasting my time on rock bottom girls. I want quality, and value for money where possible. 2 hours with my favourite Annies model. That is great value for money to me. My favourite girls at other soapies (just two) are slightly dearer, but quality. I located them myself, with no help from the internet.
As to research, mostly you have to do your own research when there is time available. Surfing the internet is not adequate. It's the lazy way.
...Some people want some quality and value for money rather than rock bottom. They don't stay in rock bottom Hotels, don't eat in rock bottom restaurants, and don't want rock bottom girls...You are completely right, but when I spend more on a computer or a hotel I can see the difference. With girls that is not always the case.
If too many pay too much for something it is called inflation.
NicFrenchy
12-26-12, 07:39
I have no interest in rock bottom whatsoever, so I am obviously in the "overpay" camp (actually mid range). However, I hate wasting a lot of time on hunting for the lowest price, or wasting time on very average girls. I don't want to save 500 Baht by choosing a much plainer looking girl. A fair price is quite adequate for me. At MPs the price is set but I control any extra tip. I don't take the top price category models at Soapies, because they don't look that superior to the mid range girls. Most bar girls don't even negotiate a price with me, so I have complete control deciding what I think it was worth. I must be fair, as they keep coming back.It's not about Rock Bottom or Overpaying, it's about the trend or message that you are sending. Just like the other bloke that paid the girl 1, 000 extra to lick her pussy.
If all cute girls were offering 4k LT and no one was buying, then they would have to consider dropping. The issue is that there are a lot of guys agreeing to pay inflated prices.
I have money, I cannot complain about that, but the idea of paying 4k LT is a no-no for me, why should I? I am not a Pigeon.
As for your reference to MPs, well, some MPs are cheating customers: they put a Farang surcharge and all the Bozos accept to pay with a smile.
Farang surcharge is not about Dick size since most women can take a big size cock without any problem. It's about the business trying to make an extra 500 on the back of the white buffalo who doesn't know better (or he knows but still pays) : La Belle, Utopia. All have surcharges. That's why I stick to Annies and Nataree which do not discriminate by color.
But I understand, everyone is going to back their way, it's an ego defense.
When I go to bars, I pay 1, 5k for ST and max 3k LT. Girls already made money with the Barfine and the drinks.
You are completely right, but when I spend more on a computer or a hotel I can see the difference. With girls that is not always the case.
If too many pay too much for something it is called inflation.I want to see the difference, the face, the figure, and still experience a great time with a girl willing to have fun. If she is ugly, or even ordinary, I don't bother. Having had a GF with superior looks, its hard to drop down to a lower level.
Yes, I agree a stunning starfish, is a massive disappointment, I have experienced, but not many recently. I do recall a La Belle girl. 3 months back, who stiffened up once it got to the sex part. Fortunately was not wasting a fortune. Then there was a pretty girl disaster at Pink. Its quite a long time since I had a pathetic Bargirl (not experienced at all) out of Tilac, wasn't exactly stunning either, and one somewhat boring stunner out of Rainbow 4. Learning from the mistakes is important and you change your choosing procedures. You really watch for the chemistry. Not many girls are good at putting on a fake chemistry act. It just comes accross fake.
I really do tend to trust bargirls that allow me to decide the payment afterwards. They are usually great performers. My big problem in MPs is it is more of a punt if nothing is known about the girl. No time to evaluate the chemistry.
NicFrenchy
12-26-12, 08:00
I really do tend to trust bargirls that allow me to decide the payment afterwards. They are usually great performers. My big problem in MPs is it is more of a punt if nothing is known about the girl. No time to evaluate the chemistry.Really? I always thought that at Soapies you could motion the girl and buy her a drink before deciding to take her or not? Maybe I was mistaken
Really? I always thought that at Soapies you could motion the girl and buy her a drink before deciding to take her or not? Maybe I was mistakenSure, sometimes, if time permits, however it doesn't work as well as at bars where there is no need to decide very quickly.
At bars you can play up more. E. G. Can sneak a kiss or more from girl. Bargirls do not need to act demurely. At soapies it is not so noisy so chat seems less private and girls will tend to behave demurely.
Sometimes a soapy girl seems fantastic right up till the sex part, when she suddenly gets scared and tense, or the dreaded sponge is encountered, and it all becomes difficult. So chemistry checking is not foolproof. Only a low percentage of Soapy girls are outstanding enough to make the favourites list and therefore I have very few. I probably have a much greater repeat rate with bargirls, and even with Oily girls. I therefore understand well why difficult guys don't like soapies much at all, especially if a bath with the girl iis considered time wasting.
Don't have that option to spend time with girl first much at Oilies. There maybe exceptions.
Not long ago went to Tharn Thong, north of Meng Jai intersection, Huai Khwang. It seems to be a cross between an Oily and a Soapy. Oil type massage and Ancient massage available but like a soapy setup with fish bowl and soapy type of rooms. Could call the girl for a drink I guess, but I didn't this time. Soapy bath possible although it wasn't that large. Not many Farangs go there, and when they do they usually skip the massage as have limited time away from "she who must be obeyed". Girls generally do not speak English at all, I guess.
My girl did only ancient massage (she did not know oil massage) so we kept the massage part very short indeed. Others were Oil massage specialists.
In these types of establishments, girls are less often shaven. Certainly no pornstars but BBBJ was adequately good. Did not find a favorite special girl there yet. Its a bit off the beaten mongering track. Used MRT and motorcycle.
Tony Hoeprano
12-26-12, 11:45
For those that really want to pay rock bottom, what are they doing in Bangkok? Isn't Bangkok considered to be over-priced?
What about Pattaya and Phnom Penh?I read on another forum, this clown in Sihanoukville is paying $10-$25 for meth-addicted Cambodian freelancers. And anything north of $30 it's overpaying. I have no idea if they're any good looking, but I'd have to guess the answer would be no LOL
Bangkok prices are getting very high. For example, a BJ bar in Bangkok will run you about $23. A BJ bar in Tokyo, by most accounts the most expensive city in the world, will also run you about $23. And you get sucked by two girls separately, with two pops if you can manage it.
Pattaya BR girls are $17 ST. Bar girls can be had for $30 LT if you do it right.
In my experience, Cambodia is ABSOLUTELY NOT the place to go for cheap tail, unless you're up for crack addict street walkers, which you can get at home.
Central America, South America and the Caribbean still has lots of cheap ST action in the right spots at $6. $16.
ST action in the Philippines is $17. Prices for LT are even getting a little high there.
If you're into BJ's, Ho Chi Minh City has a bunch of Hot Tocs where some very hot early 20's chicks will give you BBBJCIM for $11.
There's also cheap stuff available in China and parts of Africa, but you have to know where to look.
And then there are guys that prefer a quality fuck (whatever that might mean for anyone) over a cheap fuck
I like it all. Cheap fucks have their times. Sometimes they can also be quality. Expensive fucks aren't necessarily quality. Many times they're not.
In an ideal scenario I have a cheap fuck or suck once a day, followed by a reasonably priced performance that leaves us both happy.
Everyone has their likes and dislikes. My only problems come from hyperinflation (when prices go up 100-200% in a very short amount of time) and totally abstract pricing (for example Phnom Penh, in one of the world's poorest countries, with much more supply than demand, with bar girls asking 50, 75, 100 for a night). I also hate it when I fly half way around the world to find Western style bullshit (like paying for lapdances in Thailand).
NicFrenchy
12-26-12, 18:31
Bangkok prices are getting very high. For example, a BJ bar in Bangkok will run you about $23. A BJ bar in Tokyo, by most accounts the most expensive city in the world, will also run you about $23. And you get sucked by two girls separately, with two pops if you can manage it.In Bangkok, you can get FS for $9. 80 if you know where to look (it's been reviewed here before). And in my opinion, $23 is chump change unless you're on a budget. But I think most tourists coming here don't mind the $23. The expats may, especially if they're English teachers struggling to make a living.
It's not about Rock Bottom or Overpaying, it's about the trend or message that you are sending. Just like the other bloke that paid the girl 1, 000 extra to lick her pussy.Yea but Nic you are complaining about something that you and the people here as a whole have just about no control over.
Every single day there is a guy paying the extra 1K to lick a girls pussy. And every single day there are guys booting a girl for even suggesting the extra money for the same.
These market conditions raise and lower the ratio of guys willing to pay more. The girls can feel the pulse and they charge more if they feel they can now get it.
Continuing to spew venom about individuals here for abusing the pricing structure might help one or two people but in the grand scheme of things you will not be affecting the long term pricing one IOTA. That would be like trying to stop an avalanche.
I want to see the difference, the face, the figure, and still experience a great time with a girl willing to have fun. If she is ugly, or even ordinary, I don't bother. Having had a GF with superior looks, its hard to drop down to a lower level.We are very similar in modus operandi.
I for the life of me can't understand how so many guys can go with ugly, fat, average girls and say, well you are just looking at a head bobbing up and down so I don't care if she is ugly. Life is just too short to be f-ing with sub par girls. But that is just me though. This is the main reason why I may not be suited to the Dr BJ bar scene. If one in 20 is decent looking it may just not be worth my time. I will see once I get over there though.
Bangkok prices are getting very high.I bet there were some saying the same thing. 20 years ago. 10 years ago and surely 5 years ago. The prices "are" what they "are". You either pay them or step aside for somebody else. It is that simple.
Scorchin1470
12-26-12, 20:15
I bet there were some saying the same thing. 20 years ago. 10 years ago and surely 5 years ago. The prices "are" what they "are". You either pay them or step aside for somebody else. It is that simple.An hour in London costs baht 6, 000-8, 000 equiv.
Getting a hot Thai totty for baht 2, 000 is a great deal. And if I spend baht 3, 000 I am still happy.
I am on holiday and I don't want the hassle of arguing prices.
I bet there were some saying the same thing. 20 years ago. 10 years ago and surely 5 years ago. The prices "are" what they "are". You either pay them or step aside for somebody else. It is that simple.Absolutaly true, we often speak about fresh water. The price are obviously growing up like everywhere in the world, could not be otherwise, but also depends on us, I mean we can pay or not like many girls say: "its up to you", and personally I never want to pay more than 1. 5 unless if I find a top model, but its a different story!
Yea but Nic you are complaining about something that you and the people here as a whole have just about no control over.
Continuing to spew venom about individuals here for abusing the pricing structure might help one or two people but in the grand scheme of things you will not be affecting the long term pricing one IOTA. That would be like trying to stop an avalanche.I agree. Even if from tomorrow the whole of ISG punters in BKK make a firm point to pay 500 for ST and 1000 for LT, there will be no influence in the market. The ISG bunch will be refused and the girls will still be busy as ever at their prices as everyday. How many punters can ISG influence as a whole? 100? 500 as a whole in BKK? Peanuts in the big scheme of BKK p4p industry.
Bangkok prices are getting very high.What about your salary in the last 5 or 10 years? Hasn't increased? Cost of life has increased too in Thailand as everywhere, apart few places. Facts of life, I am afraid.
Mr Enternational
12-27-12, 00:14
I agree. Even if from tomorrow the whole of ISG punters in BKK make a firm point to pay 500 for ST and 1000 for LT, there will be no influence in the market. The ISG bunch will be refused and the girls will still be busy as ever at their prices as everyday. How many punters can ISG influence as a whole? 100? 500 as a whole in BKK? Peanuts in the big scheme of BKK p4p industry.When people make statements as such I don't think they mean "To ISG punters, only pay such and such." What they are actually asserting is that if punters in general would only pay xyz or do xyz, then... Nobody is dumb enough to think that everybody who mongers in a certain destination is on ISG or that people on ISG are the only people who monger in said destination.
Mr Enternational
12-27-12, 00:16
What about your salary in the last 5 or 10 years? Hasn't increased? Cost of life has increased too in Thailand as everywhere, apart few places. Facts of life, I am afraid.Increased? More than likely. Doubled or increased in percentage as P4P prices in BKK have? Probably not.
Increased? More than likely. Doubled or increased in percentage as P4P prices in BKK have? Probably not.Exactly. BKK in general has become very expensive and salaries have not increased accordingly.
There is little doubt that bargirl long time prices have increased in last 20 years, perhaps even taking inflation into account.
I am thinking they might be about 6 to 8 times larger. I don't think the drinks have gone up 6 times.
BTW. 20 years ago, my buddy was complaining it was much too expensive. He was used to paying maybe a 100 Baht a few years earlier for ST, especially in Chiang Mai.
However for Soapy MPs, I would say the prices for basic level girls have not kept pace with inflation at all.
For Oilies I don't know as I only started at Oilies in last few years where FS has been 1500 the whole time, except for new all in price, where girl typically gets less than 1500.
If some newbie wanted to pay 1K extra for some silly service, up to them. Can't see why we need to be too concerned. He probably won't next time. It's not like the average punter is paying extra for all sorts of add ons. Making a mountain out of a mole-hill.
Newbies to Thailand are always getting badly ripped off in one way or another, because they simply don't know what it is worth. Even now I could be ripped off buying something if I had no idea of the true price, and if lacking in the patience to spend much time determining the true price.
What about your salary in the last 5 or 10 years? Hasn't increased? Cost of life has increased too in Thailand as everywhere, apart few places. Facts of life, I am afraid.No, my salary has decreased actually. By almost a third. And my savings and retirement have taken huge hits too. I venture an educated guess and say this is the case for most people, since analysis of this sort of thing is what I do for a living. In the US wages have been stagnant or falling since about 1979. Even the old reliable public employees are getting slashed and sacked as austerity kicks in. The only ones doing good seem to be those in the board rooms. Corporate profits and CEO bonuses are at record highs. Maybe some people are newly rich in China too, though even there despite all the talk the averages show a decline for most people.
And mongering hasn't increased in price everywhere.
Been paying the same rate at Korean and Chinese massage parlors in the states for 15 years. Been paying the same rates in Central America and the Caribbean for closer to 20.
Mainly the spots where stupid tourists go and splash around money like 3 day millionaires that are all skewed.
In Bangkok, you can get FS for $9. 80 if you know where to look (it's been reviewed here before). And in my opinion, $23 is chump change unless you're on a budget. But I think most tourists coming here don't mind the $23. The expats may, especially if they're English teachers struggling to make a living.It's not a question of how much $23 is in the abstract. The point is that the rate in an inexpensive third world country with poverty wages is the same in the world's most expensive city, in the world's 2nd biggest economy.
An hour in London costs baht 6, 000-8, 000 equiv.
Getting a hot Thai totty for baht 2, 000 is a great deal. And if I spend baht 3, 000 I am still happy.The difference being, no one in their right mind would travel to London for mongering (or anything else IMHO).
Thailand became a destination for one reason: poor Thai people sold sexual services at low prices to military staff.
Now it's becoming like a circus, with corresponding prices.
I am on holiday and I don't want the hassle of arguing prices.Yea, I understand the sentiment. And we'll never be able to change your mind. But not everyone is on holiday. Many people live or work in Asia and have seen the transformation. Don't be surprised when they complain about paying 7 times what they paid a decade ago because people fly in for 5 days and throw money around like water before disappearing for another year or two.
Even for your own sake it'd be better to pay closer to market rates. I understand if you don't like to haggle. I don't either. But consider this, if you overpay by 100% you just pissed away another holiday. You could've had 2 for the price of 1.
It's not a question of how much $23 is in the abstract. The point is that the rate in an inexpensive third world country with poverty wages is the same in the world's most expensive city, in the world's 2nd biggest economy.The supermarket trolley cost in Thailand has risen a lot. A bowl of noodles has also gone up a lot, as has a leg of BBQed chicken. A cup of coffee in a coffee shop is not much cheaper than in the West. Apartment / house rents have risen too, and yet the price in Oilies has not risen much in last 5 years.
Bangkok is definitely not the cheapest place in the world. Don't complain about it. Go elsewhere. I don't monger in my home country as its a waste of good money on a short duration with a mostly crap girl. I don't like girls from home. Am I posting in my home country thread berating everything there? No, of course it would be a waste of time.
Just a reminder that the main purpose of the Bangkok threads is to talk about where there are great places for mongering (in Bangkok) and some great girls that were found.
Then supply enough detail so that other readers may see that it might be for them too.
Erasmus B Dragin
12-27-12, 07:12
Don't be surprised when they complain about paying 7 times what they paid a decade ago because people fly in for 5 days and throw money around like water before disappearing for another year or two.Unlikely. I was here as a (too) young man 22 years ago. The baht / USD exchange rate was around 25/1. On my first night I paid 1000 baht ST for a gorgeous Laotian beauty from a club named Baby Face (or something like that). The following day I met a 21 why / o cutie with a great personality in an outdoor beer bar. We ended up spending the next 3 days together for which I gave her 3k. I recall that Beach Road girls were getting 300-400 baht for ST at the time.
Compare that to real estate, food, fuel, or even hotel prices (which are also still quite reasonable). Very few commodities have inflated less than P4P. Adjusting for Thailand's average inflation rate of around 3% per anum, P4P is actually cheaper here than 20 yrs ago.
The difference being, no one in their right mind would travel to London for mongering (or anything else IMHO).
Thailand became a destination for one reason: poor Thai people sold sexual services at low prices to military staff.Thailand is a poor country but BKK is not, or not at the same level as the upcountry.
BKK has a decently modern public rapid transport system, taxi. 4-5 stars hotel as rain drops, expensive venues, restaurants, banks, headquarters. So the prices reflect also the standard of living of the capital.
Go upcountry and you will get low rates and low standard accommodations.
What about your salary in the last 5 or 10 years? Hasn't increased? Cost of life has increased too in Thailand as everywhere, apart few places. Facts of life, I am afraid.For me it has gone down also. My company now imports IT talent from India. In my building there are around 2, 000 system support people and 8 out of 10 are now from India. My salary has dropped so as to not be displaced by these resources. The company is also not hiring their own local college grads into the industry because out of school, they would still make more than the India people. So the company would rather import the India people. This is now causing students to focus their studies in other areas / industries. It is fine being from a capitalist country until you start flushing away your own young talent in place of people from other countries all for the sake of bigger corporate profits.
Don't even get me started on my 401K and what corporate America has done to the retirement planning of their own American workers. Anyway, I feel my wages have only moved in tandem with those girls in the pleasure business.
An hour in London costs baht 6, 000-8, 000 equiv.
Getting a hot Thai totty for baht 2, 000 is a great deal. And if I spend baht 3, 000 I am still happy.
I am on holiday and I don't want the hassle of arguing prices.Things are this way for you because the GBP conversion to the Bhat gives you a great value, making it easy to not want to haggle. Other countries are not as fortunate. This makes it feast for you, and famine for others. Those then that receive lesser value can then accuse you of keeping the prices up.
Bartchamdo
12-27-12, 08:51
Is there such a thing there. If so where in soi cowboy or NEP?I've seen a few places in Soi Cowboy offer cheaper drinks early in the evening. Last time I was in Suzie Wong they had a fairly large discount for drinks bought before 9pm. A beer was around 80 baht instead of the normal price of (around) 150. I noticed one guy bought 2 beers right before 9pm, which I guess he was planning to drink slowly while he waited for the 10pm show to start.
Scorchin1470
12-27-12, 09:22
Things are this way for you because the GBP conversion to the Bhat gives you a great value, making it easy to not want to haggle. Other countries are not as fortunate. This makes it feast for you, and famine for others. Those then that receive lesser value can then accuse you of keeping the prices up.Wrong- the baht / gbp rate has continually gone against British punters over the last ten years.
Scorchin1470
12-27-12, 09:29
The difference being, no one in their right mind would travel to London for mongering (or anything else IMHO).
Yea, I understand the sentiment. And we'll never be able to change your mind. But not everyone is on holiday. Many people live or work in Asia and have seen the transformation. Don't be surprised when they complain about paying 7 times what they paid a decade ago because people fly in for 5 days and throw money around like water before disappearing for another year or two.
Even for your own sake it'd be better to pay closer to market rates. I understand if you don't like to haggle. I don't either. But consider this, if you overpay by 100% you just pissed away another holiday. You could've had 2 for the price of 1.1. I am glad you added IMHO in your condemnation of UK punting; it is a great mongering place with rates dropping to £100 / hour for many EE girls.
2. I never view my mongering payments in terms of my next holiday but in terms of what I think reasonable for a good couple of ours fun. I am sure locals are not affected
By my alleged 'over-payments; ' whenever I have been based longer term in a town / city I have always found less costly local produce. I am sure BKK residents do the same.
Bangkok prices are getting very high. For example, a BJ bar in Bangkok will run you about $23. A BJ bar in Tokyo, by most accounts the most expensive city in the world, will also run you about $23. And you get sucked by two girls separately, with two pops if you can manage it.
Pattaya BR girls are $17 ST. Bar girls can be had for $30 LT if you do it right.
In my experience, Cambodia is ABSOLUTELY NOT the place to go for cheap tail, unless you're up for crack addict street walkers, which you can get at home.
Central America, South America and the Caribbean still has lots of cheap ST action in the right spots at $6. $16.
ST action in the Philippines is $17. Prices for LT are even getting a little high there.
If you're into BJ's, Ho Chi Minh City has a bunch of Hot Tocs where some very hot early 20's chicks will give you BBBJCIM for $11.
There's also cheap stuff available in China and parts of Africa, but you have to know where to look.I'll call BS on the Japan BJ bar claim. Even if true, so what? Everything else is much more expensive in Japan for the budget or value seeking monger. So he's better off in Bangkok.
As for Pattaya vs Bangkok, you can get streetwalkers in Bangkok for $17 as well. Heck I've read reports of $10 in BKK's Chinatown.
Re Cambodia, a few years back there were reports of $5 FS. Has that changed? Though as you usually pay for what you get, you would probably have to go to some seedy shady location in what is already a seedy country relative to BKK.
Concerning Vietnam, I've read that you can't even take a lady back to the comforts of your hotel room. So for me Ho Chi Minh City is ruled out already before even considering its other many failures compared to Bangkok.
Some other locations like PI and in South America are widely considered significantly less safe for tourists than Thailand.
But if you are Canadian & all you care about is cheap poon, why not stay there & get BBBJs & FS from drug addicted streetwalkers for as little as 5 to 10 dollars.
In fact, if your goal is to save money, why even leave home. You can wack off to oceans full of free and amazing porn for the price of an internet connection.
Personally, though, my dream is to one day live & retire in Thailand, and in particular the City of Angels.
Come on guys, don't play into this guy.
He is the king of strawman arguments. Remember daily breakdowns on bts / mrt. LOL. America is same cost as BKK.
Now japan is same price.
You guys will never win over a guy who makes thing up to state his case.
Now what has gone up 7 times in the last decade. LOL. And LOL!You seem to be too plain stupid to understand even a single word of what he says.
He is one of the very few guys around who really understands the game.
Tony Hoeprano
12-27-12, 14:24
Is the guys name dante2k or something. I've followed him for a bit, he logs what he does everyday, whatever. On 2plu2 poker forum.
H ealways describes his hooker s as cute and guys eat it up.
I try to explain that low end cambo girls who work in restaurants or hotels and dubble as the village hooker (fee 10$.15$ are butt ugly) but I always get banned. LOL.Yeah, that's the one. That knucklehead living the dream just sitting in his hotel room all day and trolling for $15 methheads at night. LOL
And yet, he's a savior to many.
Also lots of misinformation there, yet can be entertaining at times.
FruitNinja
12-27-12, 14:35
Just a reminder that the main purpose of the Bangkok threads is to talk about where there are great places for mongering (in Bangkok) and some great girls that were found.Very well said. I'm here trying to get recent intel on hotties and all I find is nonsensical, drawn out, non winnable debate about the microeconomics of mongering. As far as I can see it says "sexguide up in the left hand corner. Let's get the lowdown on where the latest talent is.
I can back up everything I say. I'm a researcher by profession. I'd be happy to compare sources.
Remember daily breakdowns on bts / mrt.'The BTS breaks down too often! Almost every day, around 5-7pm, you can already expect something is going wrong. '. Kaptan Jungteerapanich. 22, Bangkok resident.
Source: http://bk.asia-city.com/city-living/article/commuter-complaints-bts-skytrain
America is same cost as BKK.I said BKK is now approaching US prices. (They should be worlds apart; like the income is; like they used to be.) There are absolutely guys paying 5000 baht in Bangkok on any given day. If you don't think so check out some of the field reports and quotes online.
5000 baht is $160. That is the rate for full service at any number of Korean massage parlors in the United States. Check any massage parlor review site. In the biggest cities and some out of the way backwaters it's a little more. It shouldn't be anywhere close.
You can get a rub and tug for $30-50 very easily in the US. Yes, there are now guys paying up to 1500 baht for nothing more than massage and HE in Thailand, sad to say.
Now japan is same price.For a blowjob bar (called "pink salons" in Japan)? Absolutely.
Blowjob bars in Thailand charge 700-800 baht. That's $22. 84. $26. 10 US at today's rates.
A place like Strawberry Club in Tokyo charges 2000 yen for a two girl rotation (15 minutes with each girl separately with a recovery period in between the two, you can POP twice). That's $23. 31 US at today's rates. Twice a month they have specials. 500 yen off, three girls for the price of two, stuff like that.
Check the Tokyo thread for plenty of reports on this place by me and others. Check the websites and compare. Dr. BJ's is easy to find with a Google search. I'll help you with Strawberry Club since it's in Japanese: http://15-club.com/
He is the king of strawman arguments.None of these are examples of a straw man. Maybe you'd better take a refresher course in logical fallacies.
"A straw man or straw person, is a type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To 'attack a straw man' is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man") , and to refute it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
You guys will never win over a guy who makes thing up to state his case.I've now sourced all of my comments. What's the basis for your attacks on them?
I'll wait for your sources. I won't hold my breath.
Just a reminder that the main purpose of the Bangkok threads is to talk about where there are great places for mongering (in Bangkok) and some great girls that were found.I don't think that's all it's for. A review site would be pointless were it limited to "this place is fucking great!" There is room for discussions of prices, comparisons (this is after all INTERNATIONAL sex guide) , criticisms and negative reviews, pointing out dangers and rip offs, etc. And let's not pretend there are tons of hidden gems in BKK that people are finding here. If it's posted on this thread, it's a known place. This isn't 1988 or 1999. The internet is a big place and every mongering spot probably has several mentions somewhere out there, as distant as a 1 second Google search.
Fortunately there is an "Ignore" function on the ISG. We can filter out the posters whose topics are of little interest.
I don't think that's all it's for. A review site would be pointless were it limited to "this place is fucking great!" There is room for discussions of prices, comparisons (this is after all INTERNATIONAL sex guide) , criticisms and negative reviews, pointing out dangers and rip offs, etc.Technically "The purpose of this Forum is to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women". The information should of course be relevant to the Thread title, or otherwise posted elsewhere in a different part of the forum. So the Bangkok thread is for men looking for sex with women in Bangkok. Detailed info about other countries really belongs in the relevant threads for those countries.
By all means tell us where to get the best prices in Bangkok. There is also a special thread for "Places to be Avoided". You might want to use that thread too.
I will touch down at BKK next week at 12:30 a.m., but will only be able to check in the hotel in the afternoon. Lets say I get a streetwalker, is it possible to get a last minute hotel with her? And what are the rates per night or short time for a room? Staying at my hotel lobby for 12 hours++ would be really lame.Streetwalkers can easily steer you to a "short time" hotel. Rates are 300-500 baht. You'll have enough time to take care of business and take a shower. But you won't be able to hang out or kill time. If you're looking for a place to hang your hat for 12 hours, you'd be better off advance booking a single night at one of Bangkok's numerous budget hotels and e-mailing them to explain you'll be arriving in the middle of the night. If you guarantee the room using a credit card, they won't care when you check in. Check out the Bangkok Hotels section. You can easily find a decent hotel for 1000 to 1500 baht per night.
Bunky
For me it has gone down also.I of course don't underestimate certain dynamics of recruitment based on nation based salaries, lower for the corporate, far higher for the nationals. Those Indian guys are probably earning far more than what they expected in their own country (not to mention the fact they also get a job) , but far less than your fellow citizenship for an equivalent position. These thoughts keeping it simple as we are not here to debate the whole global economy, of course.
If you think about it, somehow it is the same concept behind P4p we are discussing about. Higher local prices that we rate, if compared to our country, real cheap.
We can say that the Indians coming to your corporate are spoiling the (perception of) salary level in India and your corporate should be blamed (ironically) by the Indian corporates. On the other hand your company in your country is driving salaries down and damage your fellow nationals.
As any glass can be half full and half empty at the same time, depending on the POV, also in our debate we should look at things with a double POV to understand it better.
Talking about Bangkok prices, it seems like sometimes perspective is lost. Thailand a sovereign nation of nearly 70 million people, roughly the population of Great Britain. Bangkok is the capital. Throughout the country, wide pricing disparities exist. Does everyone here in their homelands live in London or New York, or are you from some nowhere flyover prole hole? Girls come to work in Bangkok because there's no money in their village. If you want to get them cheaper, go to the source, some town that's the Thai equivalent of where you're from.
Bangkok prices are getting very high. For example, a BJ bar in Bangkok will run you about $23. A BJ bar in Tokyo, by most accounts the most expensive city in the world, will also run you about $23. And you get sucked by two girls separately, with two pops if you can manage it.
Pattaya BR girls are $17 ST. Bar girls can be had for $30 LT if you do it right.
In my experience, Cambodia is ABSOLUTELY NOT the place to go for cheap tail, unless you're up for crack addict street walkers, which you can get at home.
Central America, South America and the Caribbean still has lots of cheap ST action in the right spots at $6. $16.
ST action in the Philippines is $17. Prices for LT are even getting a little high there.
If you're into BJ's, Ho Chi Minh City has a bunch of Hot Tocs where some very hot early 20's chicks will give you BBBJCIM for $11.
There's also cheap stuff available in China and parts of Africa, but you have to know where to look.I have been to all those places except Africa.
You might as well throw in Singapore and Kuala Lumpur.
Everybody has their favorites and stories, blah, blah, blah.
I have not seen any increases in prices in BKK. Just the value of the dollar changing.
But you have to go to the right spots. I keep harping on the Gogo's. Why, because that is where all the tourists go and that is why prices keep go up in them.
There are many many places, MP, FL's, SW's that give great GFE for the same prices 5 years ago.
I am paying the same, and sometimes less depending on the time of day and time of year.
OsakaGin11
12-28-12, 03:31
. A BJ bar in Tokyo, by most accounts the most expensive city in the world, will also run you about $23. And you get sucked by two girls separately, with two pops if you can manage it.Really! I have lived in Japan for over 20 yrs. And have mongered extensively in both Tokyo and Osaka and I have never seen anything like that price in my time here in Japan. $23 is approx. About 2, 000 Yen and from my experiences most BJ's shops charge between 6-8, 000 Y. Upwards, for a one shot deal. And that is, if they let you through the door, as some establishments still practice a "Japanese only" policy.
Comparitively pricing wise Thailand, the Philippines and most SE Asian countries have it all over Japan. And if by some odd chance that you do find a ridiculously cheap BJ bar or club in Nihon, the cost of visiting Japan will quickly chew up any savings you might make, compared to Thailand.
LOL,
While I agree these types are a plague upon mankind, I think the Thaiglish translation should read "wiley" as in deceitful or cunning. In Thaiglish that would have ended up as "cunting". I remember a few years ago McD's had a special "valve" meal. Delicious, but hard on the teeth.
JoshAnd its plaque, not plague.
I'll call BS on the Japan BJ bar claim. Even if true, so what? Everything else is much more expensive in Japan for the budget or value seeking monger. So he's better off in Bangkok.So you have done your research on BJ alley in Tokyo? I recall going to such a place and paid I think 2K yen for a BJ. Can't seem to find the thread where I found the information but it had great pics to lead you to the places.
Really! I have lived in Japan for over 20 yrs. And have mongered extensively in both Tokyo and Osaka and I have never seen anything like that price in my time here in Japan. $23 is approx. About 2, 000 Yen and from my experiences most BJ's shops charge between 6-8, 000 Y. Upwards, for a one shot deal. And that is, if they let you through the door, as some establishments still practice a "Japanese only" policy.Really. Maybe you should do more forum reading or just get out more.
Never lived in Japan myself, only visited a few times. Yet it was incredibly easy able to find a BJ bar (Strawberry Club) with 2 girl rotation for 2000 yen. Took all of a minute on Google. Posted the website in this thread yesterday for the other doubting Thomas, there are also many posts about it in the Tokyo thread that came after I shared my intel. At least 6 ISGers have been through by now. This is one of many places like this. Many have similar rates, some are higher, with higher quality girls. Jan Jan is an old standby for 3000 yen, and I'd say it compares with Dr BJ's in the quality of women and service.
Comparitively pricing wise Thailand, the Philippines and most SE Asian countries have it all over Japan.As it should be. These countries are much, much poorer. My point is that prices in these almost immeasurably poorer countries are not starting to rival those in the.
But the point never seems to get over for a lot of guys here. They'd rather pick out one piece and get a shot in instead of looking at the overall picture and admitting the truth. It reminds me of people in Buffalo New York who won't accept any criticism of their once great city even as it crumbles all around them. Another case of cognitive dissonance I guess.
the cost of visiting Japan will quickly chew up any savings you might make, compared to Thailand.Which is why Japan isn't a mongering destination for anyone other than those with a particular fetish for Japanese girls and some of the stranger services that exist there. Which is the same thing I'd say about Bangkok. Fine to fuck in if you find yourself on business or a general holiday tour there. Not a bad place, just not a place to fly half way around the world to monger in unless you have some special interest there. Which was my original point.
I figured out why BKK resident kapatan trashes the bts system. He is prolly a low paid worker who can't afford the luxury of the bts, he needed a legit answer to a reporters question of why he still rides his 25 year old bicycle instead of using the bts. LOL.
Using this dude as a source is an insult to the profession of RESEARCH.So you accuse me of making baseless statements, then reply to sourced evidence with idle speculation. About what I expected going on the quality of your posts here. No further dialogue required.
Imagine going to tokyo staying in a 150$ hotel. 60$ for meals. 25$ subway, train costs, etc just to get a $23 blowjob-sounds kinda silly to me. In BKK you can get all for $40-$45 or so.I don't know what any of that has to do with anything since I never recommended anyone go to Japan for a blowjob, but you make my point for me. In the most expensive city in the world a blowjob costs less than it does in one of the world's poorest. Thanks.
Seems to me mr are has some kind of agenda against BKK. Maybe he is not one of the preferred races thai girls like or maybe he invested in a bar or massage shop. LOL.I like Thai girls. Bone them all the time, in Thailand, Hong Kong and even Japan. I would no longer make a trip to Bangkok specifically for mongering. IMO just not worth it. Pattaya for sure if I'm already in SEASIA.
And its plaque, not plague.You are wrong. It is a "plague upon mankind"."plaque" is what builds up on your teeth.
I don't know what any of that has to do with anything since I never recommended anyone go to Japan for a blowjob, but you make my point for me. In the most expensive city in the world a blowjob costs less than it does in one of the world's poorest. Thanks.So which are you stating as one of the world's poorest? It sure isn't Bangkok. And Tokyo is not the world's most expensive either.
You make some valid points and have a fair bit of knowledge. You are still being a dick by disrupting threads. But I guess you are simply not a social creature.
Jan Jan is an old standby for 3000 yen, and I'd say it compares with Dr BJ's in the quality of women and service.Aha! Jan Jan is the one I was thinking about. Can't remember how I found it. I would not say that it is comprable with Dr BJs on facility though the services and quality of women perhaps. Actually I think Lillipop is more comprable overall to Jan Jan.
I'll call BS on the Japan BJ bar claim.Yet another genius who lacks basic reading skills. I've already posted a link to a place with two girl blowjob rotation for $23 in the middle of Tokyo, about 20 steps from the Ostuka station. There are 10-20 more in the neighborhood, including one literally next door. There are reports from a half dozen other guys on that place and others. But hey what do I know, I've only been there several times while you have the benefit of being able to talk out of your ass with no knowledge or on the ground experience from behind a computer screen.
I'm done. You guys enjoy shelling out double, triple, five times what we've been paying for sub par ass in sub par Third World cities and enjoy it. No complaints or opinions please, this is paradise. The only thing allowed is reports on girls who have been reported on 500 times in places that have been reported on 5000 times. I'll stop by and check how much the prices have gone up in another five years, if anyone still has a job.
A few solid guys like Tiger 888 get it. Most westerners unfortunately don't.
You are wrong. It is a "plague upon mankind"."plaque" is what builds up on your teeth.You are wrong, post was not talking about teeth, was talking about a sign or similar, in commemoration.
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Aha! Jan Jan is the one I was thinking about. Can't remember how I found it. I would not say that it is comprable with Dr BJs on facility though the services and quality of women perhaps. Actually I think Lillipop is more comprable overall to Jan Jan.My report on Jan Jan. $35 not $23 but still cheap.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?977-Tokyo&postid=1031441#post1031441
I've already posted a link to a place with two girl blowjob rotation for $23 in the middle of Tokyo, about 20 steps from the Ostuka station. There are 10-20 more in the neighborhood, including one literally next door.That would be great info for the Tokyo section of ISG, but it hardly proves your point that Bangkok is getting awfully expensive.
Instead, if true, what it would actually prove is that Tokyo is equally cheap in one small aspect of the sex industry, namely fellacio in BJ bars.
BTW according to Bill Clinton that isn't even sex.
Furthermore, one can get not only a BBBJ but also FS for cheaper than that, like $17, from some streetwalkers in various areas of Bangkok. And for just $30, only $7 more than your price for a mere BJ, a BBBJ plus actual sex is widely available in lower sukhumvit. Where can you get that in Japan?
I'm done. You guys enjoy shelling out double, triple, five times what we've been paying for sub par ass in sub par Third World cities and enjoy it.If going to seedy places in a seedy country like Cambodia for $5 sex is what you like doing, then keep it up.
Pointy Stick
12-28-12, 08:13
I'm done. You guys enjoy shelling out double, triple, five times what we've been paying for sub par ass in sub par Third World cities and enjoy it. No complaints or opinions please, this is paradise. The only thing allowed is reports on girls who have been reported on 500 times in places that have been reported on 5000 times. I'll stop by and check how much the prices have gone up in another five years, if anyone still has a job.
A few solid guys like Tiger 888 get it. Most westerners unfortunately don't.Still don't get why you're sounding off here as you're not really adding any value. Maybe you should go to the expats forum.
For anybody who lives in a developed country your claims about prices in BKK are just plain weird. Thailand suits us just find thanks although I know it hard for you to comprehend for some reason.
There is a huge plague mounted by the entrance that reads "beware the willy stranger." It exists for a reason.This is what I was referring to, the above post.
He wrote plague, when he meant, plaque.
I was saying to responding poster "and its plaque, not plague". Referring to BKK Rookie's post. Responding poster corrected willy / wiley, I corrected plague / plaque.
Hence the confusion for you, I suppose. Yes plaque also refers to teeth, but Rookie was not talking about teeth.
And there is a plague of plaque amongst the SW's too, did you notice, one of the reasons I avoid them, LOL.
Wolvenvacht
12-28-12, 08:25
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Which is why Japan isn't a mongering destination for anyone other than those with a particular fetish for Japanese girls and some of the stranger services that exist there. Which is the same thing I'd say about Bangkok. Fine to fuck in if you find yourself on business or a general holiday tour there. Not a bad place, just not a place to fly half way around the world to monger in unless you have some special interest there. Which was my original point.I think not all of us come to Thailand because pussy is cheap here. Hence the endless discussions over price between the lovers of Thai pussy and the lovers of cheap pussy. Both are right and both are wrong.
Where I live I can get a good service in any Thai massage shop for 80 EUR per hour and full sex "suck-and-fuck" with a hot Thai girl in the RLD for 50 EUR per 20 minutes. Just the flight to Thailand would have gotten me 10 hours of play-time with Thai girls here. Yet, I still like to come to Thailand (and that even before I fell in love with my Thai GF) because of the whole of the package: beautiful friendly women in abundance, relatively cheap and easily accessible; good food; an overall nice holiday destination.
Reducing our reasons for coming here to just the price of sexual services in Thailand, is making a mockery of the real situation, IMHO.
Can we now please go back to more interesting subjects?
Western787
12-28-12, 10:15
I believe market to market relative value and pricing (example Phils versus Thailand) is always a valid issue in such threads. Rick Rock has a point in that Bangkok now has transaction prices that in some cases can be comparable to first world major cities. However, I believe he's defined the issue too narrowly.
Lets say (an otherwise average) middle age guy can either live in NYC or Bangkok, lets say typically spending 6 months at either A or B locale each year, his other time not in either city. For the sake of argument, assume living costs are the same, although of course I have yet to see a modern hi rise luxury duplex in NYC for $2, 000 USA per month.
Lets also assume this guy also has a fairly high "entertainment" budget of $5, 000 USA or $150, 000 baht per month. Which city would most middle aged guys prefer to live in for those 6 months of the year assuming most of this entertainment money was going to be directed at women? While the NYC funds would buy relatively little, in fact not even a single mistress, the same funds applied in Bangkok would probably be 10 times more valuable, and while the minor leagues relative to the rich Thai, Japanese, and Chinese millionaires that dominate the most beautiful women in Bangkok, compared to NYC this guy would probably have as many beauties at some of the very rich movers and shakers in NYC.
This is just one example where among other places I believe Rick Rock's analysis completely falls apart.
Where I live I can get a good service in any Thai massage shop for 80 EUR per hour .Not sure where you live of course. Thailand doesn't typically charge by the hour. You would certainly get 1. 5 or 2 hours depending on the place and could get cheaper if you wanted cheap in Thailand, even in Bangkok. Annies 2 hour (not the cheapest) is 2500 Baht plus any tip you want to pay. For me that is the key point. I don't do anything in 20 mins (maybe a blow job is possible whn I really have no time).2 hours (with girl) in FKK in Germany would cost perhaps 265 Euros (including entry) , less in some places.
Thailand really comes into contention when you want to spend longer amounts of time, and not just a quicky. All night booking in Thailand is very reasonably priced compared to most Western countries I think. Not sure what a European RLD girl would do it for (and don't really care). Taking a girl away to some holiday destination (where there are no local P4P girls. Or no quality) for 4 days in Thailand is quite affordable. In the West would cost a hell of a lot.
In the end, this is where we are. Bangkok. I live here part time. The prices in some other country are only relevant when we happen to be going there, and then can read the appropriate threads. I think we agree on that one. If I wanted cheap, I could go to Phnom Penh, where the girls out of town who don't speak English go for about $10, I have heard. It doesn't help me much as I am not there, and can't be bothered to go try it. I can't even get up enough enthusiasm to go spend time in Pattaya which would surely save a lot of money.
NicFrenchy
12-28-12, 14:11
The only ones doing good seem to be those in the board rooms.I can attest to that. My Salary is on the rise every year and Bonuses have been steady the past 2 years. Can't complain.
FruitNinja
12-28-12, 14:16
I can attest to that. My Salary is on the rise every year and Bonuses have been steady the past 2 years. Can't complain.I own my own business and the last four years have been record breaking. 2007, year before the storm was a year I would like to forget but once my client base readjusted it was off to the races. I live in an araea that you would be hard pressed to see any economic downturn. But most on my block are business owners and or professionals.
Simon says: Work Hard Monger Hard
Yet another genius who lacks basic reading skills. I've already posted a link to a place with two girl blowjob rotation for $23 in the middle of Tokyo, about 20 steps from the Ostuka station. There are 10-20 more in the neighborhood, including one literally next door. There are reports from a half dozen other guys on that place and others. But hey what do I know, I've only been there several times while you have the benefit of being able to talk out of your ass with no knowledge or on the ground experience from behind a computer screen.
I'm done. You guys enjoy shelling out double, triple, five times what we've been paying for sub par ass in sub par Third World cities and enjoy it. No complaints or opinions please, this is paradise. The only thing allowed is reports on girls who have been reported on 500 times in places that have been reported on 5000 times. I'll stop by and check how much the prices have gone up in another five years, if anyone still has a job.
A few solid guys like Tiger 888 get it. Most westerners unfortunately don't.Rick Rock, let's get out of here. They don't get it. In Hong Kong I have plenty of girls who would stay all night with me for free, if I find them a guy stupid enough to pay 3000 HK$ ST. Converted into THB that is only 12000. A real bargain. Luckily I don't depend on that. I still get feedbacks that it happens not only once. When ever you are in HK next time, drop me a pm and I'll show you around.
FruitNinja
12-28-12, 14:42
I'm done. You guys enjoy shelling out double, triple, five times what we've been paying for sub par ass in sub par Third World cities and enjoy it. No complaints or opinions please, this is paradise. The only thing allowed is reports on girls who have been reported on 500 times in places that have been reported on 5000 times. I'll stop by and check how much the prices have gone up in another five years, if anyone still hasIs that you're the most depressing guy on ISG. You whine about everything, argue with everyone, and just can't let it go. You're not going to influence guys. Maybe newbs but there are some of us that have done well and are not going to go to Asia and do the Cheap Charlie thing. Not saying I'll throw it away but quite frankly all this conversation and argument over a cup of coffee in the States is quite silly. I mean really, some of this shite is about $5.
On the other hand if you're in pussy heaven and as I suspect aren't making enough to partake in any other venue than the low end I'm sorry. But no need to try and shove your view of life down everyone's throat. Man I see you harping the same old story all over. Dude! You're in Asia, enjoy yourself. Don't get all would up about this and get everyone else all combative. Tell us where the best pussy is. Tell us what you did, who you saw, where you did her, how it was, how you negotiated, and finally pass along a name if you weren't to drunk to forget. That's what I want to see. Not this endless nobody can win whining about prices. And if you or I get nudged from the P4P scheme of life well then that's just a realy of life. No amount of crying and whining is going to change it. Maybe a better job. .
For now I'm good. If at 75 it becomes too costly I can probably live with that. My bigger concern is legislation.
FruitNinja
12-28-12, 15:23
i just hope the fiscal cliff cuts in and takes away buying power from where it does not belong. make the us a country where everything costs peanuts for buyers of china. let's talk again in 2 decades.the politicians will kick the can down the road and all will be fine. my aging father is self sufficient, my kid is one year away from graduating with a degree that will gurantee a good standard of life. and if i don't monger it all away i can leave her a nice nest egg. i almost relish the cliff if it would mean drastic cuts in military. a loss of $1500-2000 a year isn't going to change my life much. in two decades i will be taking a pension and hopefully relaxing somewhere in asia with a yearly visit to the cold midwest.
again! in trying to get some sense into this whole cost conversation. you can't force your socioeconomic situation on others. i drive bmw, my neighbor (cheap charlie) drives toyota. he could talk till blue in the face i am not driving a toyota. i have my kid in a toyota (lexus actually) but that's for safety and reliability.
this whole $$ talk is nonsensical. smells a little of jealousy and quite frankly that's not something attractive in men. and to read about it day in and day out is a little much. i guess a lot of people like fighting windmills. i personally like to look forward and ask myself "how can i afford that?" sometimes i just have to say "i can't" other times it might be,"hmmm those three classic motorcycles collecting dust."
and at the end of the day it really really sounds like sour [CodeWord124] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124). guys that can't afford a certain lifestyle crying about it like babies. dude, i have a good life, but live in an area where there is huge wealth. i know a man that his father inlaw gave every child and inlaw $500, 000 for christmas. i saw the check. i don't have that kind of wealth but i am happy for my friend and if i can get any insight into how he amassed that wealth i am happy. i'm certainly not going to cry about it like a child.
now can we talk about pussy?
I own my own business and the last four years have been record breaking. 2007, year before the storm was a year I would like to forget but once my client base readjusted it was off to the races. I live in an araea that you would be hard pressed to see any economic downturn. But most on my block are business owners and or professionals.
Simon says: Work Hard Monger HardAre we going to talk about personal wealth or success here?
Get back to discussions about girls. Where to get them, performance and how cheap it can be?
If you want to talk about personal wealth or any other personal things this is the wrong forum.
Member #4698
12-28-12, 16:44
I just hope the fiscal cliff cuts in and takes away buying power from where it does not belong. Make the US a country where everything costs peanuts for buyers of China. Let's talk again in 2 decades.Falling off the fiscal cliff is nothing compared to Dollar free fall that is going to happen on the day the USA can't roll over its debt and the financial markets fail to open. Eventually the Treasury will be forced issue a new Dollar worth $.10 on the old Dollar. The American middle class will be wiped out. The poor will starve. The government may have to impose military rule just to keep the peace. The rich will hold their heads above the water with globally diversified portfolios, but every country is going to feel the pain when the USA goes into default. China will not be immune to the selloff. Tiger you write "Let's talk again in 2 decades. ' The end may happen sooner than that. So diversify your assets as much as possible and have a good time now while you can.
One more thing, in a severe worldwide depression brought on by an American default on its sovereign debt, the demand for high price pussy will significantly decline leading to a drastic price reduction for services. Unfortunately few will be in a position to buy a plane ticket to Thailand in order to take advantage of the new price reality. I plan to be one of those guys. See you in BKK after the world ends!
[QUOTE=SimonHeSays; 1366066]Is that you're the most depressing guy on ISG.
I totally agree with you mr simon. This gentleman (Rick Rock) (actually his name should have been crack rock, a hard nut to crack) has spoiled the flavour of this great Forum in last couple of weeks as his one more irritating freind in Pattaya forum Mr Kim whither man says let buddha give you peace (piece) of mind (pussy).
Enjoy
Watching you guys arguing about prices is hilarious. Cheap or expensive is all relative to your income / spending money.
However, the main reason most of us come to LOS is the sheer fact that this kind of freely available sex is not seen anywhere else in the world. I haven't been to all places but can anyone tell me where else you can find a proliferation of bars and massage parlors and the buying and selling of sex is so open. Compound that with the fact that it is quite socially acceptable. Where else in the world will you see the transgender population so integrated in the society.
Expensive or not, we all come because of the availability and no social stigma (for the tourists at least).
Watching you guys arguing about prices is hilarious. Cheap or expensive is all relative to your income / spending money.
However, the main reason most of us come to LOS is the sheer fact that this kind of freely available sex is not seen anywhere else in the world. I haven't been to all places but can anyone tell me where else you can find a proliferation of bars and massage parlors and the buying and selling of sex is so open. Compound that with the fact that it is quite socially acceptable. Where else in the world will you see the transgender population so integrated in the society.
Expensive or not, we all come because of the availability and no social stigma (for the tourists at least).I think Pattaya is the place where anything goes but not Bangkok. Of course there is social stigma. You don't need to tell anyone your real name. There is even social stigma attached to a Thai girl being in the company of a Farang, in some places. All MPs have signs saying that sex cannot occur under any circumstances. I think some other countries are more open about it by making it totally legal.
I agree the scale is grand. Hundreds of naughty MPs and bars. I do like to have a lot of girls to choose from LOL.
You speak as though you have tried all mongering destinations in the world, and then say you haven't. Puzzling.
Hopefully the reduced discrimination against LBs is not relevant to coming to Bangkok.
Is the ease of availability really important? Plenty of countries have sex available. I think its liking Thai girls that matters, the quality, and the price to play out your fantasies. and stuff like A+ and CIM thrown in for no extra charge.
Tell us where the best pussy is. Tell us what you did, who you saw, where you did her, how it was, how you negotiated, and finally pass along a name if you weren't to drunk to forget. That's what I want to see.Some people might tell you where they had a good session. But nobody ever talks about their best sessions, and we all know why. And the best sessions are getting harder to come by.
Really! I have lived in Japan for over 20 yrs. And have mongered extensively in both Tokyo and Osaka and I have never seen anything like that price in my time here in Japan. $23 is approx. About 2, 000 Yen and from my experiences most BJ's shops charge between 6-8, 000 Y. Upwards, for a one shot deal. And that is, if they let you through the door, as some establishments still practice a "Japanese only" policy.
Comparitively pricing wise Thailand, the Philippines and most SE Asian countries have it all over Japan. And if by some odd chance that you do find a ridiculously cheap BJ bar or club in Nihon, the cost of visiting Japan will quickly chew up any savings you might make, compared to Thailand.Jan Jan in Sugamo is 3000 yens, for BBJCIM by a fully nude lady that you can touch and finger. If you want 2 ladies, and 2 pops, it's 4000.
In Shinkuku, Kabuchiko, Hinomaru, very famous gaijin friendly place charges 4000.
I am not in the debate BKK / Tokyo, but pl refrain talking nonsense. Supporting your point of view with blatantly false info does not help.
Western787
12-28-12, 21:13
Decent infrastructure + vast quantities of professional, semi professional, or for want of a better term "ambiguously undecided" attractive young women + reasonable living costs = Bangkok. Some guys like Phillipines but its got significant crime issues, with Burma and Cambodia not only infrastructure problems but now rapidly rising prices. You will note the Global Nanpa "righteous dude" guy who is a German national, while traveling for his "hobby" to various southeast asian destinations primarily bases out of Bangkok. Now his entertainment budget which includes 1st class travel, visits to G clubs, top suites at 5 star hotels, hiring models for photo shoots and so forth, with basically few expenses spared, has to be at least 20, 000 euros per month, so its true he's not typical, but he could go anywhere.
Member #4698
12-28-12, 22:06
Right on Western. I could go anywhere I want. I spent a good part of the 90's in South America. There are a lot of beautiful girls in Colombia and Brazil, Argentina and Chile, but as hot as some Latinas are, I like Thai girls and Thailand more. Plain and simple. I also think after travelling around the world many times over: that Thailand is a pretty good country to hang out in, eat the food, and enjoy the scenery with very little hassle. It is not Eden, it is plenty fucked up if you look closely, but on the whole it is a pretty good place for a Gringo / Farang to fuck around in. Now since I find myself in Thailand so often, I like to take side trips to Macau, the PI, Phnom, and even Singapore. Diversity is good and here centrally located in BKK, South East Asia is where I want to play. So shoot me and bury me under a durian tree if you disagree and think I am crazy or acting foolish with my own hard earned money.
Let's get back to the reason for this thread: an intelligent discussion of the BKK scene and what is going on here. We all know where everybody stands on the price per GDP index. Let it go. If a punter wants to drop 10,000bt in one night at a G-Club or 6,000bt for an hour in La Belle with an "L" category soapy girl what the fuck business is it of anybody else to deride him for it. He is paying the listed correct price for the venue he is in. Oops, I did it myself. I may have started another price battle. The price war will continue! It's like fighting in the trenches in WW 1. LOL.
...and at the end of the day it really really sounds like sour [CodeWord124] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124). guys that can't afford a certain lifestyle crying about it like babies. dude, i have a good life, but live in an area where there is huge wealth. i know a man that his father inlaw gave every child and inlaw $500, 000 for christmas. i saw the check. i don't have that kind of wealth but i am happy for my friend and if i can get any insight into how he amassed that wealth i am happy. i'm certainly not going to cry about it like a child...just to get one thing straight. i am able to buy all your house cars and a few bentleys on top. is that a reason to spoil other countries for their inhabitants?
So what would be the prices for the go go's, FL's and the SW.
I usually go to Pattaya and I don't know much about Bankok.
I don't mind paying the market but I hate getting ripped off.
Tellall
Big Poppa II
12-29-12, 01:52
Jan Jan in Sugamo is 3000 yens, for BBJCIM by a fully nude lady that you can touch and finger. If you want 2 ladies, and 2 pops, it's 4000.
In Shinkuku, Kabuchiko, Hinomaru, very famous gaijin friendly place charges 4000.
I am not in the debate BKK / Tokyo, but pl refrain talking nonsense. Supporting your point of view with blatantly false info does not help.Last time I went to Hinomaru it was 10, 000 yen for a blow job by a fat chick. That was the only time I engaged in anything in Japan. I've been going there minimum twice a year since 1996. The prices in Japan are just outrageous, I rather do China or Philippines. The old hookers in Shinagawa want like 150, 000 for ST.
Anyway, I'll be in BKK soon for the first time, looking forward to the experience. Thanks to everyone who posts useful information.
BP
Some people might tell you where they had a good session. But nobody ever talks about their best sessions, and we all know why. And the best sessions are getting harder to come by.Truer words have not been spoken. That really is the rub isn't it. Harder and harder to find good looking girls that perform well at any price these days.
I was saying to responding poster "and its plaque, not plague". Referring to BKK Rookie's post. Responding poster corrected willy / wiley, I corrected plague / plaque.Haha. Ok, you were referring to a post from 2. 5 months ago. I see what you mean.
This whole $$ talk is nonsensical. Smells a little of jealousy and quite frankly that's not something attractive in men.Amen to that. Like a bunch of jealous / envious aunties at a family reunion. Ugly.
One of my old girls used to always tell me this. Whenever, we had conflicts, this was her answer. Traditional Thai culture is dead. They are like us now. Keeping up with the Kardashians. 90210, wherever's next top model, and all the fucking vampire shit (I do like True Blood) are even more popular here. There is nothing Thais like more than a good excuse to dress all the little girls up like tarts. Women are empowered here now. Little girls are taught to treat men like dirt.
Truer words have not been spoken. That really is the rub isn't it. Harder and harder to find good looking girls that perform well at any price these days.If they get paid without performance, why should they. Except the gems who really enjoy what they are doing. And there is no way I would share one in public.
One more thing, in a severe worldwide depression brought on by an American default on its sovereign debt, the demand for high price pussy will significantly decline leading to a drastic price reduction for services. Unfortunately few will be in a position to buy a plane ticket to Thailand in order to take advantage of the new price reality. I plan to be one of those guys. See you in BKK after the world ends!I saw an expert on economic trends who has made provable predictions for the last 25 years interviewed on Al Jazeera who calculates 2020 for the complete economic collapse of USA.
One tip he gave was to invest in gold.
Regards,
BJ
FruitNinja
12-29-12, 08:47
Just to get one thing straight. I am able to buy all your house cars and a few Bentleys on top. Is that a reason to spoil other countries for their inhabitants?You sit here and cry like its the end of the world for overpaying $10 USD for a piece of ass and now you would have us believe that you can buy all of us and a few Bentlys on top of that. Yeah right!
Monied guys don't cry about $5. Not the wealthy guys I know and run with. My guess is you have a very good imagination. I'll be I SEA during Jan and Feb. Just because I can I'm gong to overpay by $5 each girl I bed. I'm guessing that will be an average of one a day. So it's going to run me $150 extra. Wow! That's a whole dinner for a friend an I. What will I do? There goes my budget for the next five years.
Simon says: Sure, I believe you.
You sit here and cry like its the end of the world for overpaying $10 USD for a piece of ass and now you would have us believe that you can buy all of us and a few Bentlys on top of that. Yeah right!
Monied guys don't cry about $5. Not the wealthy guys I know and run with. My guess is you have a very good imagination. I'll be I SEA during Jan and Feb. Just because I can I'm gong to overpay by $5 each girl I bed. I'm guessing that will be an average of one a day. So it's going to run me $150 extra. Wow! That's a whole dinner for a friend an I. What will I do? There goes my budget for the next five years.
Simon says: Sure, I believe you.I don't give a sh... If you believe me or not. For me it's enough if those believe me who know me. You may leave your footprints and I do it my style.
I am glad you added IMHO in your condemnation of UK punting; it is a great mongering place with rates dropping to £100 / hour for many EE girls.With the world economy slumping, rates are dropping in many places. A Tokyo BJ bar rate of $23 would be an example of that.
If Bangkok prices for BJ bars are about the same, that doesn't support Rick Rock's claim that BKK is getting expensive, but that Tokyo is getting cheap, in one small way.
Nevertheless your UK rate of 100 pounds per hour is still ridiculously expensive compared to Bangkok. It's easy for a guy to get 5 to 10 times more bang for his buck in the Thai capital.
That's the main why reason I intend to retire full time in LOS. I'll continue saving a fortune, many tens of thousands of USD, over prices back in Canada.
Rick Rock's comments have not convinced me in the slightest that there is any country anywhere else in the world that is a better choice than Siam.
But I appreciate his input nonetheless as it has inspired a lively & interesting discussion with a number of comments I've found personally may be of some practical use.
I'm sure that I'm not the only one in that regard.
The cost of visiting Japan will quickly chew up any savings you might make, compared to Thailand. Which is why Japan isn't a mongering destination for anyone other than those with a particular fetish for Japanese girls and some of the stranger services that exist there. Which is the same thing I'd say about Bangkok. Fine to fuck in if you find yourself on business or a general holiday tour there. Not a bad place, just not a place to fly half way around the world to monger in unless you have some special interest there. Which was my original point.Visiting Japan will generally cost you as much or much more than Thailand for everything that matters to a monger, so there won't be any savings by visiting Japan, just the additional cost of airfare.
Though if I had unlimited or much greater finances, Japan would be a consideration as a sex retirement destination because it is full of beautiful white skinned busty spinners without the Western feminist mindset.
As it stands I'll have to settle for Bangkok, with its P4P scene dominated by darker skinned ladies, which gives me way more value for my dollar, so far more bang for my buck than North America.
It's not that I have a "fetish" for the look of Asians or Thais, as there are hot women in countries all over the world.
But I'll continue to "fly half way around the world" to Bangkok until I finally retire in Thailand. Why? Because the extra costs of airfare and hotels for the trip to LOS are offset quickly, like in a week or two of mongering when Western sex worker prices are factored in. After that it's all gravy, which for me means many thousands of dollars in savings.
Moreover, like Wolvenvacht implied, people like to go to places for other reasons in addition to mongering. This could includes things like the culture, the food, checking out possible employment or GF or wife or retirement options, research into investing, learning a new language, writing a book, etc.
Last time I went to Hinomaru it was 10, 000 yen for a blow job by a fat chick. That was the only time I engaged in anything in Japan. I've been going there minimum twice a year since 1996. The prices in Japan are just outrageous, I rather do China or Philippines. The old hookers in Shinagawa want like 150, 000 for ST.
Anyway, I'll be in BKK soon for the first time, looking forward to the experience. Thanks to everyone who posts useful information.
BPWhen did you go last? Those prices were applied more than 3 years ago. The financial crisis has come since, and the price at Hinomaru is 4000. The chick may or may not be fat, YMMV, but that's true also in BKK, if not in terms of look, but certainly in terms of service. And you don't have to take an old chick in Shinagawa. Look at the Tokyo thread, a lot of very good info, given without flaming. If you go twice a year and have not found anything to your liking, I can only be sorry for you.
I am not suggesting, and I don't think anybody does, that Tokyo is a monger destination. But it is definitively a fun place, for those wanting to explore it. And, as far as I am concerned, I get bored in BKK after a few days: I don't want a GF, don't want to go out and have dinner with Wgs, don't want to spend hours in bars playing billiard, don't enjoy the heat and the hassle. I just enjoy dropping for a day or 2 on the way to somewhere else and have a couple of good fucks.
No flaming, please, to each his own, this is MY opinion, and I fully understand why other don't agree with it.
Hey guys sorry if this has been answered, only got one night here on the way back home and can't find it now. What's the name / loc of the freelance club that stays open real late? Remember reading here couple of weeks ago. And is Thermae still around? I recall of it on my first trip a decade ago.
Thanks
You know, I was always wondering, how do people prepare for a trip to Bangkok? 10 years ago I would agree it was difficult to find info but now? With the internet? Are people really that stupid as to not do a little research before coming whoring in Thailand?
The girls are not driving up the prices: WE ARE, by agreeing to pay them.Well. 3-4 years ago it was easier to do the research. Back then most of the expats and BKK veterans were happy to provide newbies with valuable information concerning prices, locations, hotels and so on. Today many of them seem to enjoy patronizing newbies more.
I for myself knew that I was overpaying when I spent 4500 THB for LT with a pretty Baccara girl. But nobody cared to tell me the going rate of Baccara. Is it 3k? 4k? Rules like "I never spend more than 3000" may apply to BKK residents but it's difficult to follow these rules when you only have one night to monger.
Yeah, that's the one. That knucklehead living the dream just sitting in his hotel room all day and trolling for $15 methheads at night. LOL
And yet, he's a savior to many.
Also lots of misinformation there, yet can be entertaining at times.Hi guys, clown / knucklehead checking in.
Despite what some people on here (who I don't think have even been to snooky) are telling you every girl in sihanoukville isn't ugly or a meth head.
I've been with a few uggles when I couldn't find anything better, but not for a few months, and I've been with a few girls that do meth, never had a problem with them at all and 2 of the hottest / my favorite girls out here like to do it, one of them I have left in my room alone while I went out on many occasions (10-15) and she never stole a thing from me, the other I don't trust quite as much so I'm careful to lock up valuables when she comes over, but again she has never been a problem in the 15 or so times we have done our thing.
This isn't Pattaya or Bangkok there arent a million working girls out every night, but there are some very attractive girls around you just have to be a little more patient and pounce on an opportunity when it presents itself.
If you go out looking for a hottie and can't find one which happens at times either take the night off or go with something less attractive, up to you, but I'm pretty confident in saying that in the past few months I haven't been with any girls that others on this board wouldn't gladly pay $15-$20 to spend some time with, when I first got out here I would go with lesser quality but now that I've been oversexed for the past 5 months I am much more patient and if I don't find anything to my liking don't mind waiting till tomorrow.
The key is when you see one of the rare hotties go ask as quick as possible and get her number for she leaves and spend as much time with her as you possibly can.
I was in Bangkok for only one night so not a huge sample size, but I walked around for hours, saw thousands of girls in and around nana, ended up with the one I considered to be the hottest I saw and I've been with at least 5 hotter here in sihanoukville and another 5-10 were at a comparable level
FruitNinja
12-29-12, 16:14
If they get paid without performance, why should they. Except the gems who really enjoy what they are doing. And there is no way I would share one in public.You wouldn't want any other guys seeing a working girl would you? And with the cheap charlie attitude I'm sure they are being celibate until you return. Waiting for you to spend that big Bently money on them. Where are you from that US $5 is such a big deal? I mean really. You thinking is totally convoluted. Why would you go to a site set up to review WGs all over the world and then when you find a good one keep it to yourself. Who does that do any good for? Why is it you're here?
I've gleamed quite a bit of good info, met some really nice guys and am planning my first real mongering trip to SEA. I will report the good with the bad. And if I find a gem I will report.
And a guy with obvious millions, I mean you're buying us all and then some Bentlys, and your concerned about $5-$10? Dude I [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) that away on coffee each day. The only other answer is you enjoy denigrating people? In which case I can make a good guess what country you're from. Sad.
Hey guys sorry if this has been answered, only got one night here on the way back home and can't find it now. What's the name / loc of the freelance club that stays open real late? Remember reading here couple of weeks ago. And is Thermae still around? I recall of it on my first trip a decade ago.
ThanksHttp://www.bangkokeyes.com/2006aug01.html#ITEML
See on this Map.
http://goo.gl/maps/cKknL
I went to the orginal Thermae before it moved in 1996. Was good in those days
Just to get one thing straight. I am able to buy all your house cars and a few Bentleys on top.I rate it a wrong spending. Bentleys do get devaluated quickly and you loose on the investment. I prefer to buy Rolls and a few Maybach to save my wealth in those mobile toys. Or stick to some classic collector cars such as Ferrari of the 50's.
If you can afford, of course, as I agree, you might not be able to. It is a long way to put together the couple of millions needed at the auctions for those, especially if you generate that capital by 5 bucks a day. Never mind, drive your Bentley, it is easy to park it when it is a 1/42 scale model.
Scorchin1470
12-29-12, 19:15
I rate it a wrong spending. Bentleys do get devaluated quickly and you loose on the investment. I prefer to buy Rolls and a few Maybach to save my wealth in those mobile toys. Or stick to some classic collector cars such as Ferrari of the 50's.
If you can afford, of course, as I agree, you might not be able to. It is a long way to put together the couple of millions needed at the auctions for those, especially if you generate that capital by 5 bucks a day. Never mind, drive your Bentley, it is easy to park it when it is a 1/42 scale model.I thought this thread was about Bangkok Reports not men boasting about their financial pricks.
Bangkok has changed immeasurably over the last 30 years since I first came. On my first visit I picked up a delightful yung thing and we had a night of full on sex at, as I recall the Asia Hotel for about $10 (OK I had been without for three months nd had a pile of overseas US$s to spend). Today that won't even pay the first round of drinks.
But I don't regret 'progress' merely get amused by those who pretend that life has not moved on.
I rate it a wrong spending. Bentleys do get devaluated quickly and you loose on the investment. I prefer to buy Rolls and a few Maybach to save my wealth in those mobile toys. Or stick to some classic collector cars such as Ferrari of the 50's.
If you can afford, of course, as I agree, you might not be able to. It is a long way to put together the couple of millions needed at the auctions for those, especially if you generate that capital by 5 bucks a day. Never mind, drive your Bentley, it is easy to park it when it is a 1/42 scale model.Did I say I have a Bentley? I don't need all that. Where I live (HK) public transport is the way to go. I don't leave big footprints. I valuate free time and decided to retire at a very early age instead. Macau is on my weekly agenda.
Big Poppa II
12-30-12, 01:32
When did you go last? Those prices were applied more than 3 years ago. The financial crisis has come since, and the price at Hinomaru is 4000. The chick may or may not be fat, YMMV, but that's true also in BKK, if not in terms of look, but certainly in terms of service. And you don't have to take an old chick in Shinagawa. Look at the Tokyo thread, a lot of very good info, given without flaming. If you go twice a year and have not found anything to your liking, I can only be sorry for you.
I am not suggesting, and I don't think anybody does, that Tokyo is a monger destination. But it is definitively a fun place, for those wanting to explore it. And, as far as I am concerned, I get bored in BKK after a few days: I don't want a GF, don't want to go out and have dinner with Wgs, don't want to spend hours in bars playing billiard, don't enjoy the heat and the hassle. I just enjoy dropping for a day or 2 on the way to somewhere else and have a couple of good fucks.
No flaming, please, to each his own, this is MY opinion, and I fully understand why other don't agree with it.Yes, the last time I tried anything was like three years ago, maybe more. I'd given up due to the prices. I'll be back in in a couple of months and will take a second look, thanks for the updated information.
BP
I thought this thread was about Bangkok Reports not men boasting about their financial pricks.
Bangkok has changed immeasurably over the last 30 years since I first came. On my first visit I picked up a delightful yung thing and we had a night of full on sex at, as I recall the Asia Hotel for about $10 (OK I had been without for three months nd had a pile of overseas US$s to spend). Today that won't even pay the first round of drinks.
But I don't regret 'progress' merely get amused by those who pretend that life has not moved on.Great post. You are not confused. But many others are.
Like you say, it is progress and growth and a lot of dudes just are cheap or don't have a decent job that fits the world economy. Or they are just loser mouth breathers. Too bad.
Many years ago, I got a girl in Cambodia for a jar of Peanut Butter.
Should I pack a 12 pack of Skippy for my next trip?
NicFrenchy
12-30-12, 05:42
Well. 3-4 years ago it was easier to do the research. Back then most of the expats and BKK veterans were happy to provide newbies with valuable information concerning prices, locations, hotels and so on. Today many of them seem to enjoy patronizing newbies more.That's true, but don't forget that due to many moaning newbies (as you call them) , many of the said Veterans were asked 3-4 years ago to migrate to the Expat threads. We were told to vacate the premises and take our discussions elsewhere. I am sure you remember that time don't you?
Well. 3-4 years ago it was easier to do the research. Back then most of the expats and BKK veterans were happy to provide newbies with valuable information concerning prices, locations, hotels and so on. Today many of them seem to enjoy patronizing newbies more.Officially I may be an Expat, but I don't have fondness for the term and consider myself an international traveller with no fixed home. Okay I live part time in Thailand but was not born here. I understand clear Thai much better than weak English (after part time use of Thai for 20 years) , so sometimes find Thai people insisting on English, that I cannot understand clearly, to be annoying. I am gradually picking up some Isaan as well from bargirls. LOL.
Nic mentions the Expat threads / forum. I would not be in there, with the expectation of a lack of useful information, and lack of focus on the mongering locations. I never see anything wrong with guys posting their factual experiences, as long as not gay and as long as related to the thread somewhat. I may disagree with their opinions.
Some of us are prepared to help out the newbies, remembering we all had to be newbies at one time. However I prefer to answer or ask fairly specific questions. Very vague questions are obviously difficult and boring. There is also little point in answering questions where you have no expertise. I don't like to see people answering based on what they read by someone else (which may be bullshit) rather than their own experience. However, believe me, I have looked at some other forums including Thai forums, and see most competition as no competition at all, because they are filled with endless smart-arse remarks, one liners, chit chat, and highly lacking in detailed field experience reports. e.g. the W.S.G. was just pathetic and I gave it up. All they could do was question my arrogance to have an opinion, after posting just a few detailed field reports, that one else could be bothered to do. On Thai forums, they are too shy to same anything direct or explicit and don't even write proper Thai.
I hope I do not come across as too patronising. Certainly opinionated, yes. I do have knowledge of the Thai language that most ISGers probably don't, and moderate knowledge of Buddhism and Thai culture. I am willing to share all my good locations and even mention some hot girls. I tend not to mention so much girls that don't speak English at very Thai establishments.
Experienced posters may not mind helping out the newbies a little but are lazy to spoon feed them every step of the way if the newbie is too lazy to do a search for basic easy info themselves. Newbies are encouraged to spend at least weeks of reading the forum before starting to post themselves unless want to share an actual experience. Actually would help if the forum had a Thailand Newbies thread. Then the very annoying expats could stay out of that thread.
When I was a newbie (20+ years back) , there was no internet nor forum. I however had a experienced buddy that I met at the airport who helped out introducing me to Cowboy, Thermae, The Grace, Pat Pong rip-offs, the Kangaroo bar,"Baan Nork", Thai Mafia, etc. I don't recall if Nana Plaza existed back then (perhaps was very new). His Thai was more advanced than mine, as I had been learning Thai just a few months. He was a very stingy / thrifty type so a little different from my mindset, but a good (or bad) influence. Fortunately his taste in women was opposite to me. He liked the fatties and I liked the skinnies. I used to stay in terrible Hotels back then, that probably would be only 2 to 3 stars now (possibly influenced by stingy buddy). LOL. I now prefer 4 star style or bargain 5 star. Comfortable but not wasting too much money. However I have a semi-permanent address now.
I don't count my first trip to Thailand as a normal tourist 30 years ago. That was sort of irrelevant, but just became aware of the availability of very beautiful Thai girls when I saw the hotties on the arm of old men in Phuket.
I have nothing against newbies. Good sensible questions are welcomed. Only the most lazy and ridiculous ones, who do not even bother to state specifically what they are looking for, are annoying. I certainly read the forum for some time before posting, even though I was no newbie to thailand.
Newbies, who don't even know what they are looking for, should just read the forum in browsing mode to become aware. I know this is harder when so much non-information is posted.
Oh shit. Too long again. Boring. My new year's resolution should be to cut back on opinion reports and just post factual information and experience reoprts.
Well. 3-4 years ago it was easier to do the research. Back then most of the expats and BKK veterans were happy to provide newbies with valuable information concerning prices, locations, hotels and so on. Today many of them seem to enjoy patronizing newbies more.It was actually 3 to 4 years ago as the world become smaller and more people started to be based in Thailand that things went downhill.
As opposed to helpful people a new sub-culture of arrogant control freak farangs emerged, they always know better, what they do is right and everyone else is wrong. They think they are the best and everyone else is below them.
There was an attempt to push them off into "Expat" threads but they got bored talking to themselves and so have all come back on to the normal threads patronizing everyone.
But there you go.
I'm from New York bro.
I didn't say Phnom Penh should be avoided at all costs. Some people like it. Some people even like the urban centers of India (!). But if you dislike extremely loud noise on a consistent basis, or if you're a light sleeper who needs rest, then you should look elsewhere.This is the type of comment that I find might be useful to punters.
Can anyone tell me how the noise levels of PP in Cambodia compare to places around NEP in Bangkok?
On Christmas Eve or day, I forget which, I could hear loud fireworks explosions till almost 4 AM by my residence on the 10th floor in Siam.
I expect New Years Eve celebrations to be even worse.
But the point isn't about massages. It's about how fucked Cambodia is for mongering. It doesn't make sense that a haggard old bird with kids and a saggy stretch-marked body who is probably on crack or meth and lives in one of the poorest / lowest cost of living countries in the world where prostitution is right out in the open would ask for MORE money than a 19 year old stunner with a flawless body who probably spends more on her makeup than the aforementioned woman spends on her monthly rent, living in one of the world's most expensive countries, where the prostitution seen is underground.
When massage girls in Phnom Penh want more money than massage girls in New York City, something is amiss bro.Thanks for the entertainment.
Your posts, like Harold's, are very low on the truth scale but get outstanding grades for ROTFLOL.
What I am curious about, though, is if you really believe the crap you post.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82eQYuXl1zg
Crazy4Thai
12-30-12, 09:44
I'm not a big fan of the a-go-go scene but do go have a look from time to time. I cruised through Soi Cowboy a few nights ago. Had a drink in Suzie Wong's and only saw 2 or 3 that were eye candy. It was a nude shuffle though and 95 baht beer before 9 pm. When finished at Cowboy I came out on Soi 23. I turned right towards Sukhumvit and discovered Twins Bar after a minute or so of walking. I've read about it here on ISG a time or two but retained no details. It's pretty much a hole in the wall bar with a couple of pool tables and about 6 or so girls the night I popped in. They even were playing Thai music, not my thing but it made the girls high energy. I played pool with a 26 yo with a pretty face and a tall slender look. Bought a couple of drinks and was ready to roll out when she suggested short time on the premises. 1500 all in. Paid at the bar before hand and she took me upstairs to a crappy massage layout. Curtained cubicles, mattresses on the floor. Got a one hour all you you could imagine experience. I know that's not everyone's thing but it worked for me at that moment. Her name was Malee and she showed some sagginess when the clothes came off. I know some would give her a miss for that but I'd definitely repeat. Except now I'll have to wait in line. Happy New Year.
NicFrenchy
12-30-12, 10:47
she suggested short time on the premises. 1500 all in. Paid at the bar before hand and she took me upstairs to a crappy massage layout. Curtained cubicles, mattresses on the floor. Got a one hour all you you could imagine experience. I know that's not everyone's thing but it worked for me at that moment. Her name was Malee and she showed some sagginess when the clothes came off. I know some would give her a miss for that but I'd definitely repeat. Except now I'll have to wait in line. Happy New Year.Interesting, I always thought that you could do the girls on the pool tables in these bars. Did they have Showers?
By the say, Some Bars in SC also have rooms upstairs: JJ for instance.
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