Angeles City

[Chacal60]

My vote is for DIA, because I joined it initially expecting women fromall over Asia then discovered it is overwhelmingly Pinay. A lot of the girls onky have access an hour or so a day and quickly want to move to Skype, but I met one gal there with whom I had a six month thing.

All the popular sites are OK and each has it's pluses and minuses. Often you will find same girls on more than one site.

Pinalove would be my suggestion, just start a week or so before you get here and make contacts, pay for an account so you are not flagged as a cheap charlie and can send unlimited messages.

I have also gad good luck on Tinder recently.

SA is costly to use and not as many escorts for the night but girls looking for4 long term arrangements.

[Mr Enternational]

You pay the barfine after. Either you are on personal terms with all the mamasans and managers, or you're talking out of your ass. Either way, your experience does relate to 95% of people who visit the bars.

Sure, 1-1. 5 k can get you a girl in HiSo, most of the time after 3-4 am when all the top talent is gone and the club is starting to empty.

I am not on any terms with anyone. Most guys just go along with the way they are told and so that is why my experience may not relate to most. I tend to make my own way and not go along with the status quo. All it takes is a few words, "I pay after," to be different than the 95%.

[RainMania]

Well I have always paid the bar fine after so never any ST for LT scams for me.

Negotiate well and get a price of 2K for FL in AC? You must be negotiating on behalf of the chick! Standard price in High Society and for online chicks is 1K and I have given chicks 1500 a couple of times for threesomes. 2K is what I pay Manila FL for LT.

You pay the barfine after. Either you are on personal terms with all the mamasans and managers, or you're talking out of your ass. Either way, your experience does relate to 95% of people who visit the bars.

Sure, 1-1. 5 k can get you a girl in HiSo, most of the time after 3-4 am when all the top talent is gone and the club is starting to empty.

[Mr Enternational]

Online isn't perfect, but it sure has a lot more pros than cons. For starters, it almost completely negates the ST scam bargirls have become to used to (agree to LT in the bar, but change to ST when in the room), because you pay AFTER, not before.

Well I have always paid the bar fine after so never any ST for LT scams for me.

You'll end up spending less than if you barfine. I'm hearing of barfines in the 2500-3500 P region these days (not including lady drinks). 2K pesos will get you most girls online for as long as you want, and if you go to HiSo 2k will get you most of the girls for at least the next 6-12 hrs (maybe more) if you negotiate well.

Negotiate well and get a price of 2K for FL in AC? You must be negotiating on behalf of the chick! Standard price in High Society and for online chicks is 1K and I have given chicks 1500 a couple of times for threesomes. 2K is what I pay Manila FL for LT.

[Mr Enternational]

"Deadliest catch" is funny writings but is fish shit. Just be aware and ready to reel in or cut the line.

LOL. But like he said, if a great white is already in the boat and its dick is just as hard as yours then you might have to give up some ass or money or both before he jumps back in the water and swims away. You better hope it is one of those 3-3-3s that you guys talk about!

[Mr Enternational]

Guys there is an easy way around fake pictures and photoshop. Just tell them you want to video chat. It's free, it's easy, and you can see what they actually look like. Hell, you could even tell them to show you their pussy if you're worried that they're sporting a cock!

Well my brother did all those things mentioned above. From looking at the first picture I could tell it was a guy, but he kept insisting she showed him her pussy and everything. When he got to Pattaya, we went down to the bar where the person works and it was indeed a guy. So the person would still have to have skills to tell a ladyboy from a real woman. I grew up around that kind of shit so it is second nature to me. Even on this site people will post a person and to me it is obviously a guy, but they think it is a woman. And to this day we still clown a buddy that has lived in Pattaya for the past 20 years. A bunch of guys got together for dinner at someone's house and he showed us a picture of a chick he had banged. Everyone in the room could tell it was a guy except him.

[Rick Rock]

Guys there is an easy way around fake pictures and photoshop. Just tell them you want to video chat. It's free, it's easy, and you can see what they actually look like. Hell, you could even tell them to show you their pussy if you're worried that they're sporting a cock!

[Socker]

If you haven't been scammed a little then you haven't mongered enough! I am not saying to be a fool but it takes a little risk taking to get good results. Just as stores have a loss tolerance built into the business we should have a scam tolerance.

You will never know you've been scammed when the best scammers are doing it. You have to (really) be on your toes or get lucky to catch them. Case in point.

Interview dancer at Vikings. She passes interview and we're drinking and talking. (this night I'm tired, can only handle one BG and I tell her more than once).

I haven't paid BF yet and she starts telling me she really likes licking pussy. I was a little surprised but the thought was entertaining. We continue to talk and she says more about how much she likes pussy. I tell her a few times that I can only handle one (her).

Eventually we leave and hit Club X and order drinks. Our waitress has a very sexy outfit on and she looks pretty damn good. I tell my viking BF and she says, "buy her a drink, buy her a drink". The alcohol is starting to give me momentum and I say okay. The waitress sits w us and I like her, the viking BG likes her too. I buy a few rounds of tequila and of course I soon have 2 BFs in tow. (I did ask the Club X waitress to bring her outfit and she did).

A few more bars and we hit the room. Right away I tried to instigate the action but the Viking BG soon starts muttering things about taking a shower. I say go take a shower. I do the wild thing w the waitress and just finish when the viking BG comes out of shower. I say, okay honey get over here and lets have some fun. She mentions that she still needed to shower. I said you just did. She says but I need a shower.

Now I'm thinking she's a nut or she's having some kind of mental attack. I tell her she doesn't make any sense and so does the waitress. No matter, she says it's the shower. I say, what shower? She says, I need a shower. Some back and forth about the shower and this is when I gave up. I was tired and it was 2 am so I told her I was going to go back to her bar the next day to get a refund on her BF. She gets indignant and says very loud, LETS go now!

Well, okay then, lets go to your bar now, good idea. So the 3 of us are walking back to Vikings at 2:20 am. There is seating in front of this bar and it was packed w / their dancers and bar workers.

So I talked w / the mama and waited inside for 20 minutes while the mama talked to my (failed) BF outside. I get tired of waiting and go outside only to be ushered back inside the empty bar. Another 20 minutes went by, the mama was very upset but gave my BF money back due to this non performer.

At first when this BG started the issue about the mystical shower I thought she was damaged goods but no, she was very calculating. I surmised this little scammer wanted a bar fine but did not want to perform. Before she secures the bar fine she mentions, "I like to lick pussy". Soon after she is directing me to buy a drink for a waitress I think is cute which I do. She is leading me in her direction all the way to substitute the waitress for her. The viking BG is thinking the other waitress will take care of me (while she's in the shower) and she (the viking BG) will have an easy night. She can babble some mumbo jumbo and then she walks, no pussy grinding by some stranger.

I can't remember now when it all made sense to me. I think it was when we were walking to the viking club for my refund. I told the mama what I just wrote here and the mama was pissed and had my 3 K notes crumbled tightly in her fist. Eventually she opened her hand and gave me the refund. I caught the BG in her scam. I was happy about that but still it was a pain to go through.

The best scammers are subtle and ingenious. She didn't get her BF money so I won. Most of all she enlightened me to how skilled and devious these ladies can be. I still love them though. I just have to be on game. It's real easy to be played. The viking BG was amazing in her scam but I made sense of it and caught her.

[Goferring]

If you haven't been scammed a little then you haven't mongered enough! I am not saying to be a fool but it takes a little risk taking to get good results. Just as stores have a loss tolerance built into the business we should have a scam tolerance.

Monger on!

I've never been scammed but I have paid my share of Low IQ Tax.

Every time I've lost something I've made it incredibly easy and tempting and not taken the most basic of security precautions.

Funnily enough, they have also happened after incredible night or even week sessions so in the end the loss was just a unintended way of tipping for excellent service.

[Dg8787]

If you haven't been scammed a little then you haven't mongered enough! I am not saying to be a fool but it takes a little risk taking to get good results. Just as stores have a loss tolerance built into the business we should have a scam tolerance.

"Deadliest catch" is funny writings but is fish shit. Just be aware and ready to reel in or cut the line.

Monger on!

[RainMania]

Times can get even more perilous for older guys with failing eyesight and hearing when they try internet dating. Many end up getting naked in their hotel room only to discover that their cutie is not a she but a he, and he refuses to leave without some action or money, maybe even both. LOL!

It is not easy for elderly eyes to spot photo-shopped Adam's apples and age-related hearing loss makes it difficult to detect telltale high-pitched squeaky voices that may cause alarm during cam chats. Furthermore, the ever-growing population of gender ambiguous 'ladies' on WeChat and other online apps looking for some fun and profit with foreign gents are very skilled at adjusting angles and lighting to bait their targets into inviting them over to their hotel room.

Mongers fishing online will eventually have to physically examine their catch, as it is the only way to confirm whether they landed a tuna or a great white shark. With online fishing, mongers have to deal with sorting and throwing back their own by catch to include wrangling hungry sharks on deck who do not want to get back into the water without tasting a piece of the fella who reeled them in. LOL! It is not as safe and convenient as going to bar / fish market where all of the snappers, tunas, and clams are nicely sorted and rotated in displays. In the bar one can just call over the fishmongers and ask them to bring over a particular specimen for a bit of sniffing, poking, and ogling before deciding to make a purchase. That sort of customer service and pre-sorting is not available online. It is like going from being a customer at the seafood counter at Whole Foods to becoming a Bering Sea fisherman working the deck in rough weather on the 'Deadliest Catch' at night.

Those are good points, but if an old monger can figure out a way to post on this forum and upload pictures, then they can also figure out the online P4 P scene.

Online isn't perfect, but it sure has a lot more pros than cons. For starters, it almost completely negates the ST scam bargirls have become to used to (agree to LT in the bar, but change to ST when in the room), because you pay AFTER, not before.

You'll end up spending less than if you barfine. I'm hearing of barfines in the 2500-3500 P region these days (not including lady drinks). 2 k pesos will get you most girls online for as long as you want, and if you go to HiSo 2 k will get you most of the girls for at least the next 6-12 hrs (maybe more) if you negotiate well.

The sheer number and variety of girls online alone far surpasses anything the bars have to offer. Sure there are WU scams, LB scams and other scams you'll have to navigate through when traveling through FB and the dating sites. That is the importance of forums like this, where fellow mongerers can exchange experiences and advice on how to get yourself the best possible experience.

I still like the bars, nice to talk to girls, get some groping action for a drink or two, but I rarely barfine these days. Maybe if the bars can innovate (as mentioned earlier) and find a way to improve their lineups and services, people like myself would start spending there again.

[Chocha Monger]

Ha ha, correct, we live in 'perilous times'.

Ones imagination / flexibility can get ya out of sticky situations, sometimes.

You make some valid points there re non bar m. O. Valid. My sources nowadays are a mix of m. O's. The guys who get girls recruiting for them, have success. No barfine / ladies drinks, but tip for recruiter, yes. Lots of my girls in Cebu, prior to AC were secured that way.

But as you say, the fly in, point / shoot, fuck, bar scene. Is best for those in a hurry. How about you have some dating site girls lined up before you arrive, for say 5-7 pm time frame and if you have not fucked them by 8 pm, off to the bars? Live cam, if available, can get around the photo shop problem. Come to think of it, might try it myself, LOL. It allows ones personality, to come into play. Girls / guys not only go for looks, they go for personality / vibes, too.

Even if you only operate via bars, innovation / imagination, helps a lot in increasing the fun value. I've got some innovative / imaginative m. O's re that too.

Fun, fun, its got to be fun or forget it.

Times can get even more perilous for older guys with failing eyesight and hearing when they try internet dating. Many end up getting naked in their hotel room only to discover that their cutie is not a she but a he, and he refuses to leave without some action or money, maybe even both. LOL!

It is not easy for elderly eyes to spot photo-shopped Adam's apples and age-related hearing loss makes it difficult to detect telltale high-pitched squeaky voices that may cause alarm during cam chats. Furthermore, the ever-growing population of gender ambiguous 'ladies' on WeChat and other online apps looking for some fun and profit with foreign gents are very skilled at adjusting angles and lighting to bait their targets into inviting them over to their hotel room.

Mongers fishing online will eventually have to physically examine their catch, as it is the only way to confirm whether they landed a tuna or a great white shark. With online fishing, mongers have to deal with sorting and throwing back their own by catch to include wrangling hungry sharks on deck who do not want to get back into the water without tasting a piece of the fella who reeled them in. LOL! It is not as safe and convenient as going to bar / fish market where all of the snappers, tunas, and clams are nicely sorted and rotated in displays. In the bar one can just call over the fishmongers and ask them to bring over a particular specimen for a bit of sniffing, poking, and ogling before deciding to make a purchase. That sort of customer service and pre-sorting is not available online. It is like going from being a customer at the seafood counter at Whole Foods to becoming a Bering Sea fisherman working the deck in rough weather on the 'Deadliest Catch' at night.

[Mr Enternational]

Problem as I see it with the use of internet sites to procure dates is your heading back into the territory of the dreaded photoshop. I want to meet the girl face to face before deciding to waste my time and money on her.

You are right. And I told a chick in Pattaya just that yesterday. She was trying to get me to commit to short time or long time and a fee, but I told her that I needed to see her in person first. That is one huge disadvantage of the new way of doing things.

On the flip side, you cover more ground in less time and there are a lot of free chicks mixed in. Last night about 11pm I met a chick on Tinder that works at the cable company here in Pattaya. She came right over. I was so tired that I fell right asleep. This morning as soon as I stirred, her head went right under the covers and to my dick. It was like she had been waiting for it all night. She just left headed to work.

[Sxxxx]

Problem as I see it with the use of internet sites to procure dates is your heading back into the territory of the dreaded photoshop. I want to meet the girl face to face before deciding to waste my time and money on her. Even the apps these days are loaded with glamour edits (photoshop reborn for those with a smart phone). Saggy tits and stretch marks are headed your way on a girl far less attractive than the photo's suggested. If your living there and have the time to send the girl packing when she shows up with an extra 30 pounds then go for it but the guys who are flying in with a limited timeslot on their tour can't waste a night waiting for a girl to show up who won't make the grade.

Ha ha, correct, we live in 'perilous times'.

Ones imagination / flexibility can get ya out of sticky situations, sometimes.

You make some valid points there re non bar m. O. Valid. My sources nowadays are a mix of m. O's. The guys who get girls recruiting for them, have success. No barfine / ladies drinks, but tip for recruiter, yes. Lots of my girls in Cebu, prior to AC were secured that way.

But as you say, the fly in, point / shoot, fuck, bar scene. Is best for those in a hurry. How about you have some dating site girls lined up before you arrive, for say 5-7 pm time frame and if you have not fucked them by 8 pm, off to the bars? Live cam, if available, can get around the photo shop problem. Come to think of it, might try it myself, LOL. It allows ones personality, to come into play. Girls / guys not only go for looks, they go for personality / vibes, too.

Even if you only operate via bars, innovation / imagination, helps a lot in increasing the fun value. I've got some innovative / imaginative m. O's re that too.

Fun, fun, its got to be fun or forget it.

[Breadman]

So, don't look for AC bar scene to improve any time soon. Innovate or perish, lads. I began innovating about 5/7 yrs ago, LOL. Find a new m. O. That suits you..

Problem as I see it with the use of internet sites to procure dates is your heading back into the territory of the dreaded photoshop. I want to meet the girl face to face before deciding to waste my time and money on her. Even the apps these days are loaded with glamour edits (photoshop reborn for those with a smart phone). Saggy tits and stretch marks are headed your way on a girl far less attractive than the photo's suggested. If your living there and have the time to send the girl packing when she shows up with an extra 30 pounds then go for it but the guys who are flying in with a limited timeslot on their tour can't waste a night waiting for a girl to show up who won't make the grade.