Angeles City

[Breadman]

Completely different reviews by two guys who both seem to have tons of experience in Angeles City. Not only that but they might have even crossed paths during the creation of their completely different reviews. I left Sockers' comments about Makati in the quote since I believe it reflects on his view of AC. I took the liberty to condense the breaks in their posts to lessen the impact of two huge quotes to the page. I also edited out sockers photo comment.

Cheers to all good hearted mongers. Home now. *I'm on my some-tenth trip booked for 3 weeks cut down to 2 and a day due to technical difficulties. *what I've found out about the current state of the Makati and ac scenes. My info on Makati where I spent my first 3 days 2 weeks ago is limited but I did manage to bar hop a little during the day. *tickles and bourbon had little to offer at happy hour, *2,100 BF cost. *I met a skinny cutie at tickles and eventually exercised w / her later in the day. Before I took her I went to bourbon and then rogues. *rogues has moved across the street and is less designed for dancer maulings but the girls can still apply their hard sell any where they want. And they did! Their day talent had some goodies and the rogue BF was 1,600 so that was attractive. Stupid me promised the tickle's dancer I would return which I did. *in both bars I asked the BGs if they would go for 2 K tip and it was a happy yes. For a decent Burgos BG 3,600 (all in) is pretty good. The night before my buddy and I went to the cafe Havana hunting (or prey) for FLs. The one I picked turned out to be a dud at 3 k. My buddy found himself in a nice session, *not me. *my dud left me unfinished (midnight) so I went out for a Burgos FL and found 2 bottom fish ready for a stereo BJ which got to to bed w a smile.

AC, perimeter. Got there 18 days ago and saved a lot of money by staying in my room every other night. *I also saved because of the perimeter pricing. *the perimeter bars were between 1,800 and 2,500 and the talent was in every price range. *I didn't have to spend 2,500 to get something special which is like the old AC. I made sure to go to bars I never used to hit so I found Det5 to be very good, *I think lips was another bar (4 bars away from master Poseidon) that had talent overflowing. I found a gem at Rio but stopped at bar around the corner for 10 minutes then returned to Rio and she was gone. *that I'll regret until I forget about it in a years time, maybe never. Stopped in ice bar and the platinum bar but they're not what they once were, ice bar has the edge here. Ponytails was also less than my last visit in January. Emotions wasokay w a nice sexy big tits waitress. I'll remember her. *I went back for her a couple of times but timing was bad. *she was dripping w sex appeal. bar fine 2 k I think. In most bars they had single and double LDs, 160/300 p. They're were other good bars on the perimeter but memory is doing the best it can right now. I pulled maybe 4 or 5 from the perimeter in my 10 days. If I were my old self it would have easily been closer to 15. Plenty of talent here.

Fields. I went to all my faves, Arcadia (1 pull 2 times), *club ra, *lollipops, *vikings (2 pulls), *club x, *and then the smaller bars which seemed to be more lively than in the past, I'm thinking la bamba. I liked la bamba and the margaritas were surprisingly good. The margarita high is my favorite of all liquors and drinks. A lot of nice dark ones here as was rapsody. I went to others but now forget. Arcadia was easily the bar w the most talent. I wish I were 100%. *so many I liked. I ended up BFing a special (brand new) Cebuana from Arcadia. Twice! Half the bars I went to collected bar fines the old way, half the new way (intentionally vague). The name your price, "subic method" was in play at very few bars and there was no gouging by the BGs as there was on my last subic visit. The BGs I asked "how much" always quoted a normal field's BF price. Fields is still at 3 k every where I went, some at 2,500. Drinks were also the same as last year which is great. My assessment for the casual tourist like myself (locals already know I think) on the state of things in AC is this. Everything is the same except the BGs are slightly more business oriented. Slightly is the key word in this opinion. They are not as cuddly as they used to be but still far more than their Thailand cousins.

Another big change imv is the talent. Usually the best talent (IMO) is in Makati but I've noticed over my last couple of trips that's reversing and AC as the better lookers. Granted I've been in Makati a total of 4 full days and only managed a few bars. *I haven't been to kojaxes yet which is the epicenter of lookers imv. Bottoms I have been in and it's not what it used to be. Bottoms hh price is 2,100 too and I'm sure the BG will go for 2 K and their talent tops rogues. *I will try for bottoms in a couple of hours body willing.

My first visit to Angeles dates back to 2004. Blue Nile was the best bar in town, packed with 200 sexy girls, dancing like there is no tomorrow and going for 1. 000 Pesos LT. Since then, I visited once or twice a year. Agree that inflation drives prices up, but nowadays 2. 500 to 3. 800 is the going rate for mostly ugly girls going ST. Gems can still be found, but it takes time to go around all the bars. Which is what I did. Angeles has become Korean town. Korean bars, Korean restaurants all over the place. The latest addition to the Sports bar scene (Envy) is great. Nice place and good food, attentive staff and good value for money. Prices of drinks are now 115-120 in most bars, but that is not an issue. Problem is the lack of girls in most bars. Crystal Palace which still had a full house of girls 4-5 years ago is now down to 20 girls. I actually counted 19 on a Saturday night at 9. 00 pm! And you still see Koreans throwing bundles of 20 Pesos notes to make the girls scream! The only bars on Fields which had some vibe and a fair amount of girls were QBar, Monsoon and Lollipop. Forget all others! I have never been a fan of Perimeters, but based on all good reviews published here, I went to Det5/ Candy. Yes, plenty of girls all looking as if they just came back from having dropped the kids at school and doing the shuffle before going to the supermarket. Awful! I stayed 10 minutes and could not take it anymore. On the way back stopped at Ponytails which had a decent line-up. 5 girls out of 20 were dancing, the others just standing there waiting to be picked. My plan was to stay 10 days, but I cut it short after 3 days and will call it my last visit to Angeles. Good memories, even for the last night for which I managed to find a real cutie in Monsoon. I could have stayed a couple of days more just for her, but Angeles was so disappointing that I decided to move on.

[Chacal60]

My vote is for DIA, because I joined it initially expecting women fromall over Asia then discovered it is overwhelmingly Pinay. A lot of the girls onky have access an hour or so a day and quickly want to move to Skype, but I met one gal there with whom I had a six month thing.

All the popular sites are OK and each has it's pluses and minuses. Often you will find same girls on more than one site.

Pinalove would be my suggestion, just start a week or so before you get here and make contacts, pay for an account so you are not flagged as a cheap charlie and can send unlimited messages.

I have also gad good luck on Tinder recently.

SA is costly to use and not as many escorts for the night but girls looking for4 long term arrangements.

[Mr Enternational]

You pay the barfine after. Either you are on personal terms with all the mamasans and managers, or you're talking out of your ass. Either way, your experience does relate to 95% of people who visit the bars.

Sure, 1-1. 5 k can get you a girl in HiSo, most of the time after 3-4 am when all the top talent is gone and the club is starting to empty.

I am not on any terms with anyone. Most guys just go along with the way they are told and so that is why my experience may not relate to most. I tend to make my own way and not go along with the status quo. All it takes is a few words, "I pay after," to be different than the 95%.

[RainMania]

Well I have always paid the bar fine after so never any ST for LT scams for me.

Negotiate well and get a price of 2K for FL in AC? You must be negotiating on behalf of the chick! Standard price in High Society and for online chicks is 1K and I have given chicks 1500 a couple of times for threesomes. 2K is what I pay Manila FL for LT.

You pay the barfine after. Either you are on personal terms with all the mamasans and managers, or you're talking out of your ass. Either way, your experience does relate to 95% of people who visit the bars.

Sure, 1-1. 5 k can get you a girl in HiSo, most of the time after 3-4 am when all the top talent is gone and the club is starting to empty.

[Mr Enternational]

Online isn't perfect, but it sure has a lot more pros than cons. For starters, it almost completely negates the ST scam bargirls have become to used to (agree to LT in the bar, but change to ST when in the room), because you pay AFTER, not before.

Well I have always paid the bar fine after so never any ST for LT scams for me.

You'll end up spending less than if you barfine. I'm hearing of barfines in the 2500-3500 P region these days (not including lady drinks). 2K pesos will get you most girls online for as long as you want, and if you go to HiSo 2k will get you most of the girls for at least the next 6-12 hrs (maybe more) if you negotiate well.

Negotiate well and get a price of 2K for FL in AC? You must be negotiating on behalf of the chick! Standard price in High Society and for online chicks is 1K and I have given chicks 1500 a couple of times for threesomes. 2K is what I pay Manila FL for LT.

[Mr Enternational]

"Deadliest catch" is funny writings but is fish shit. Just be aware and ready to reel in or cut the line.

LOL. But like he said, if a great white is already in the boat and its dick is just as hard as yours then you might have to give up some ass or money or both before he jumps back in the water and swims away. You better hope it is one of those 3-3-3s that you guys talk about!

[Mr Enternational]

Guys there is an easy way around fake pictures and photoshop. Just tell them you want to video chat. It's free, it's easy, and you can see what they actually look like. Hell, you could even tell them to show you their pussy if you're worried that they're sporting a cock!

Well my brother did all those things mentioned above. From looking at the first picture I could tell it was a guy, but he kept insisting she showed him her pussy and everything. When he got to Pattaya, we went down to the bar where the person works and it was indeed a guy. So the person would still have to have skills to tell a ladyboy from a real woman. I grew up around that kind of shit so it is second nature to me. Even on this site people will post a person and to me it is obviously a guy, but they think it is a woman. And to this day we still clown a buddy that has lived in Pattaya for the past 20 years. A bunch of guys got together for dinner at someone's house and he showed us a picture of a chick he had banged. Everyone in the room could tell it was a guy except him.

[Rick Rock]

Guys there is an easy way around fake pictures and photoshop. Just tell them you want to video chat. It's free, it's easy, and you can see what they actually look like. Hell, you could even tell them to show you their pussy if you're worried that they're sporting a cock!

[Socker]

If you haven't been scammed a little then you haven't mongered enough! I am not saying to be a fool but it takes a little risk taking to get good results. Just as stores have a loss tolerance built into the business we should have a scam tolerance.

You will never know you've been scammed when the best scammers are doing it. You have to (really) be on your toes or get lucky to catch them. Case in point.

Interview dancer at Vikings. She passes interview and we're drinking and talking. (this night I'm tired, can only handle one BG and I tell her more than once).

I haven't paid BF yet and she starts telling me she really likes licking pussy. I was a little surprised but the thought was entertaining. We continue to talk and she says more about how much she likes pussy. I tell her a few times that I can only handle one (her).

Eventually we leave and hit Club X and order drinks. Our waitress has a very sexy outfit on and she looks pretty damn good. I tell my viking BF and she says, "buy her a drink, buy her a drink". The alcohol is starting to give me momentum and I say okay. The waitress sits w us and I like her, the viking BG likes her too. I buy a few rounds of tequila and of course I soon have 2 BFs in tow. (I did ask the Club X waitress to bring her outfit and she did).

A few more bars and we hit the room. Right away I tried to instigate the action but the Viking BG soon starts muttering things about taking a shower. I say go take a shower. I do the wild thing w the waitress and just finish when the viking BG comes out of shower. I say, okay honey get over here and lets have some fun. She mentions that she still needed to shower. I said you just did. She says but I need a shower.

Now I'm thinking she's a nut or she's having some kind of mental attack. I tell her she doesn't make any sense and so does the waitress. No matter, she says it's the shower. I say, what shower? She says, I need a shower. Some back and forth about the shower and this is when I gave up. I was tired and it was 2 am so I told her I was going to go back to her bar the next day to get a refund on her BF. She gets indignant and says very loud, LETS go now!

Well, okay then, lets go to your bar now, good idea. So the 3 of us are walking back to Vikings at 2:20 am. There is seating in front of this bar and it was packed w / their dancers and bar workers.

So I talked w / the mama and waited inside for 20 minutes while the mama talked to my (failed) BF outside. I get tired of waiting and go outside only to be ushered back inside the empty bar. Another 20 minutes went by, the mama was very upset but gave my BF money back due to this non performer.

At first when this BG started the issue about the mystical shower I thought she was damaged goods but no, she was very calculating. I surmised this little scammer wanted a bar fine but did not want to perform. Before she secures the bar fine she mentions, "I like to lick pussy". Soon after she is directing me to buy a drink for a waitress I think is cute which I do. She is leading me in her direction all the way to substitute the waitress for her. The viking BG is thinking the other waitress will take care of me (while she's in the shower) and she (the viking BG) will have an easy night. She can babble some mumbo jumbo and then she walks, no pussy grinding by some stranger.

I can't remember now when it all made sense to me. I think it was when we were walking to the viking club for my refund. I told the mama what I just wrote here and the mama was pissed and had my 3 K notes crumbled tightly in her fist. Eventually she opened her hand and gave me the refund. I caught the BG in her scam. I was happy about that but still it was a pain to go through.

The best scammers are subtle and ingenious. She didn't get her BF money so I won. Most of all she enlightened me to how skilled and devious these ladies can be. I still love them though. I just have to be on game. It's real easy to be played. The viking BG was amazing in her scam but I made sense of it and caught her.

[Goferring]

If you haven't been scammed a little then you haven't mongered enough! I am not saying to be a fool but it takes a little risk taking to get good results. Just as stores have a loss tolerance built into the business we should have a scam tolerance.

Monger on!

I've never been scammed but I have paid my share of Low IQ Tax.

Every time I've lost something I've made it incredibly easy and tempting and not taken the most basic of security precautions.

Funnily enough, they have also happened after incredible night or even week sessions so in the end the loss was just a unintended way of tipping for excellent service.

[Dg8787]

If you haven't been scammed a little then you haven't mongered enough! I am not saying to be a fool but it takes a little risk taking to get good results. Just as stores have a loss tolerance built into the business we should have a scam tolerance.

"Deadliest catch" is funny writings but is fish shit. Just be aware and ready to reel in or cut the line.

Monger on!

[RainMania]

Times can get even more perilous for older guys with failing eyesight and hearing when they try internet dating. Many end up getting naked in their hotel room only to discover that their cutie is not a she but a he, and he refuses to leave without some action or money, maybe even both. LOL!

It is not easy for elderly eyes to spot photo-shopped Adam's apples and age-related hearing loss makes it difficult to detect telltale high-pitched squeaky voices that may cause alarm during cam chats. Furthermore, the ever-growing population of gender ambiguous 'ladies' on WeChat and other online apps looking for some fun and profit with foreign gents are very skilled at adjusting angles and lighting to bait their targets into inviting them over to their hotel room.

Mongers fishing online will eventually have to physically examine their catch, as it is the only way to confirm whether they landed a tuna or a great white shark. With online fishing, mongers have to deal with sorting and throwing back their own by catch to include wrangling hungry sharks on deck who do not want to get back into the water without tasting a piece of the fella who reeled them in. LOL! It is not as safe and convenient as going to bar / fish market where all of the snappers, tunas, and clams are nicely sorted and rotated in displays. In the bar one can just call over the fishmongers and ask them to bring over a particular specimen for a bit of sniffing, poking, and ogling before deciding to make a purchase. That sort of customer service and pre-sorting is not available online. It is like going from being a customer at the seafood counter at Whole Foods to becoming a Bering Sea fisherman working the deck in rough weather on the 'Deadliest Catch' at night.

Those are good points, but if an old monger can figure out a way to post on this forum and upload pictures, then they can also figure out the online P4 P scene.

Online isn't perfect, but it sure has a lot more pros than cons. For starters, it almost completely negates the ST scam bargirls have become to used to (agree to LT in the bar, but change to ST when in the room), because you pay AFTER, not before.

You'll end up spending less than if you barfine. I'm hearing of barfines in the 2500-3500 P region these days (not including lady drinks). 2 k pesos will get you most girls online for as long as you want, and if you go to HiSo 2 k will get you most of the girls for at least the next 6-12 hrs (maybe more) if you negotiate well.

The sheer number and variety of girls online alone far surpasses anything the bars have to offer. Sure there are WU scams, LB scams and other scams you'll have to navigate through when traveling through FB and the dating sites. That is the importance of forums like this, where fellow mongerers can exchange experiences and advice on how to get yourself the best possible experience.

I still like the bars, nice to talk to girls, get some groping action for a drink or two, but I rarely barfine these days. Maybe if the bars can innovate (as mentioned earlier) and find a way to improve their lineups and services, people like myself would start spending there again.

[Chocha Monger]

Ha ha, correct, we live in 'perilous times'.

Ones imagination / flexibility can get ya out of sticky situations, sometimes.

You make some valid points there re non bar m. O. Valid. My sources nowadays are a mix of m. O's. The guys who get girls recruiting for them, have success. No barfine / ladies drinks, but tip for recruiter, yes. Lots of my girls in Cebu, prior to AC were secured that way.

But as you say, the fly in, point / shoot, fuck, bar scene. Is best for those in a hurry. How about you have some dating site girls lined up before you arrive, for say 5-7 pm time frame and if you have not fucked them by 8 pm, off to the bars? Live cam, if available, can get around the photo shop problem. Come to think of it, might try it myself, LOL. It allows ones personality, to come into play. Girls / guys not only go for looks, they go for personality / vibes, too.

Even if you only operate via bars, innovation / imagination, helps a lot in increasing the fun value. I've got some innovative / imaginative m. O's re that too.

Fun, fun, its got to be fun or forget it.

Times can get even more perilous for older guys with failing eyesight and hearing when they try internet dating. Many end up getting naked in their hotel room only to discover that their cutie is not a she but a he, and he refuses to leave without some action or money, maybe even both. LOL!

It is not easy for elderly eyes to spot photo-shopped Adam's apples and age-related hearing loss makes it difficult to detect telltale high-pitched squeaky voices that may cause alarm during cam chats. Furthermore, the ever-growing population of gender ambiguous 'ladies' on WeChat and other online apps looking for some fun and profit with foreign gents are very skilled at adjusting angles and lighting to bait their targets into inviting them over to their hotel room.

Mongers fishing online will eventually have to physically examine their catch, as it is the only way to confirm whether they landed a tuna or a great white shark. With online fishing, mongers have to deal with sorting and throwing back their own by catch to include wrangling hungry sharks on deck who do not want to get back into the water without tasting a piece of the fella who reeled them in. LOL! It is not as safe and convenient as going to bar / fish market where all of the snappers, tunas, and clams are nicely sorted and rotated in displays. In the bar one can just call over the fishmongers and ask them to bring over a particular specimen for a bit of sniffing, poking, and ogling before deciding to make a purchase. That sort of customer service and pre-sorting is not available online. It is like going from being a customer at the seafood counter at Whole Foods to becoming a Bering Sea fisherman working the deck in rough weather on the 'Deadliest Catch' at night.

[Mr Enternational]

Problem as I see it with the use of internet sites to procure dates is your heading back into the territory of the dreaded photoshop. I want to meet the girl face to face before deciding to waste my time and money on her.

You are right. And I told a chick in Pattaya just that yesterday. She was trying to get me to commit to short time or long time and a fee, but I told her that I needed to see her in person first. That is one huge disadvantage of the new way of doing things.

On the flip side, you cover more ground in less time and there are a lot of free chicks mixed in. Last night about 11pm I met a chick on Tinder that works at the cable company here in Pattaya. She came right over. I was so tired that I fell right asleep. This morning as soon as I stirred, her head went right under the covers and to my dick. It was like she had been waiting for it all night. She just left headed to work.

[Sxxxx]

Problem as I see it with the use of internet sites to procure dates is your heading back into the territory of the dreaded photoshop. I want to meet the girl face to face before deciding to waste my time and money on her. Even the apps these days are loaded with glamour edits (photoshop reborn for those with a smart phone). Saggy tits and stretch marks are headed your way on a girl far less attractive than the photo's suggested. If your living there and have the time to send the girl packing when she shows up with an extra 30 pounds then go for it but the guys who are flying in with a limited timeslot on their tour can't waste a night waiting for a girl to show up who won't make the grade.

Ha ha, correct, we live in 'perilous times'.

Ones imagination / flexibility can get ya out of sticky situations, sometimes.

You make some valid points there re non bar m. O. Valid. My sources nowadays are a mix of m. O's. The guys who get girls recruiting for them, have success. No barfine / ladies drinks, but tip for recruiter, yes. Lots of my girls in Cebu, prior to AC were secured that way.

But as you say, the fly in, point / shoot, fuck, bar scene. Is best for those in a hurry. How about you have some dating site girls lined up before you arrive, for say 5-7 pm time frame and if you have not fucked them by 8 pm, off to the bars? Live cam, if available, can get around the photo shop problem. Come to think of it, might try it myself, LOL. It allows ones personality, to come into play. Girls / guys not only go for looks, they go for personality / vibes, too.

Even if you only operate via bars, innovation / imagination, helps a lot in increasing the fun value. I've got some innovative / imaginative m. O's re that too.

Fun, fun, its got to be fun or forget it.