Angeles City

[NapaSlapper]

I would argue that a stroll thru the WS bars on most nights, especially the bars with lots of girls, will find you at least a handful of 'model-material' beauties, and possibly several in each of the larger bars. That doesn't mean that they are all bar-fine-able tonight (for any number of reasons given by the girl). But some are. Also, there is no reason that even a picky fella can't take a step down the next lowest number in order to get laid (assuming he's horny). F*cking a 7, even several nights a week, is better than f*cking no 8's (or anyone) every night of the week. Its not a crime (neither is taking home a 7 and waking up with a 4 -- so I've heard).

OTOH, I am aware that not everyone feels this way.

Model material beauties? Either you have not been to angeles in a very long time westy or when you say walking st bars your refering to the one in pattaya LOL.

I'm interested to know Why guys that have to travel half way around the world spending thosands of usd to do so would want to have to settle for not what they wanted or have to lower their expectations to get laid, why not just pick another destination where ones ideal girls are available at similar costs, going by the very few western tourists in angeles it looks like many are doing just that.

[Volterra]

Never forget they are working girls there to suck money from your wallet.

Thanks Fp. I never forgot. It's a matter of having to agree to certain bottom lines, and if a girl / bar crosses those lines, then I'm not sure one can defend oneself without giving up on the whole scene.

Just I didn't listen to my inner voice when she ordered the 2nd LD. That was red flag that I recognized and didn't heed.

If you have similar experiences and can offer some insight on how you would have handled it (girl and bar manager), I'd appreciate it. I'm all ears.

[Fastpiston]

So in my report that I just uploaded on Monday night AC adventures, I ran into the problem that has been discussed at length on the AC forum (and elsewhere): The fact that while we are driven to these sex paradises in search of hot, cheap 18 years available in droves, what we now find is how difficult it is to pull girls between 18 and 21. I witnessed this in several forms last night.

Carousel.

I mentioned that as I found an empty booth from where I had been sitting, this young beauty around 21 years old took the stage, in stark contrast to the far less attractive ones who preceded her. I sat myself down in the booth and when the carousel took her around I got a good look at just how hot she was. Smoking body, young clean milky white flesh, tight but baby soft, long dark hair, and beautiful face. She saw me and I immediately gave her a little smile hoping that she'd return the flirtation. But out of the blue her face goes cold and she puts her palm on her lower abdomen and shakes her head no as the carousel takes her to the opposite side. WTF? Something I said? (I was well behaved, well groomed, and not looking too disagreeable I hope.) So I waited for her to come back around. And waited. And waited. And waited. She never came back to my side! So I stretch my head and saw her back to me at the other corner, but doing nothing. Suddenly her young (hot) female supervisor with spectacles comes up and starts screaming at her and banging a cup on the stage metal. She's yelling at her to get back to my side of the carousel. Yelling and yelling and yelling like a drill seargeant. But the girl just ignored her and refused to move or even acknowledge it. Was I that repulsive? Dunno, but I could only conclude that she was conspicuously avoiding me for no apparent reason. Ok, fuck it. I left.

Arabesque.

Next was the one and only really hot girl I saw at this Korean joint. She looked college age (around 20) really cosmopolitan in comparison to the other provincial girls (who were rather wild and unrestrained). Tall, beautiful and well built, I wanted to get her attention even as the other girls were staring me down. But this girl was just sitting on the front of the stage staring down blankly at the floor. Her face looked totally dejected, kind of like "Is this all I have to look forward to in my life?" (I'm not preaching here. I'd like to violate every inch of her body for the right price.).

But I did everything short of jumping up and down on my table like a chimpanzee to get her attention, but not even the slightest hint of acknowledging my presence. Ok, fuck it. I left.

"Anonymous".

The final story, and last straw, occurred at a bar whose name will not be mentioned (for fear of retribution). But to keep you out of the dark, its name is a word that has multiple meanings:

1. The word we use for people (plural) who pull the trigger of a gun.

2. The word we use to describe a very small glass that holds especially potent but tiny cocktails that we down in one quick gulp.

3. The word we might incorrectly use when describing the number of orgasms we negotiate for in a given punt.

In case you still haven't identified the establishment, its name rhymes with several other words:

1. It rhymes with the name (hint: begins with letter H) of an American bar chain named with after a slang word for large female breasts (hint: It is not "Knockers".

2. It rhymes with the word (hint: begins with the letter L) (plural) used to describe people who commit large-scale robberies, often in large groups, during blackouts or times of social unrest.

3. It rhymes with the word (hint: begins with the letters sc) (plural) used for a 2-wheeled gas powered motor vehicle (hint: it is not motorbike, moped, or motorcycle).

So without divulging the name of the establishment, I was there last evening minding my own business and voyeuring over my cold beer at not so attractive go go dancers. The waitress confirmed BFs of 4000, and I was not interested until this very attractive girl, I would say mid 20's, with all the right body features got on stage, mainly with her back to me. I did not wait long before enquiring with the waitress: was the girl available for BF? Oh yes. And the waitress immediately went and fetched her to my table.

I cannot say that we hit it off well, but the girl kept close to me with her hands on my legs. First flag was the cranberry juice she ordered for her LD. You don't drink? "I do, but not tonight. Why, you want to get me drunk?

There was no flow to the conversation, but I mainly just wanted to make my way out with her. I asked her age and reacted with disbelief when she said 19. (I do not believe she was that young.) But as she nearly finished her drink I asked about whether she would BF and come back with me and she said ok. I wanted to leave but flag 2, she wanted another drink first. Far against my instincts and better judgment I agreed to that. So as she quickly finished her 2nd cranberry juice, I reconfirmed the Terms of Agreement time, no go activities, # of shots etc). All reconfirmed without argument, and as I said "let's go" she suddenly says: "I'm having my period. Maybe you can come back tomorrow night and let's see. ".

(Moment of restrained silence.).

Of course, being the straight shooter (crash! Bang! Hint!) that I am, I pointed out that she already agreed to come with me and should have mentioned the "period" much sooner. "Oh but my auntie is working here and I don't want to be seen leaving by her)(blah blah blah).

I immediately called for the manager and a male (local) comes to the table. I explain to him the situation and he barks something at her (like, do you really have your period? Pointing to her lower belly). He then apologizes and offers to give me a free beer. "I don't want a free beer. She shouldn't have ordered the LDs after agreeing to BF".

- M: "Oh but we already have written on the receipts. " V: "They're just pieces of paper. ".

- M: "Oh but we can't tell the girls who to BF with. " V: "I know. So she should have informed me before she agreed to the BF and ordered that drink. ".

- M: "Oh but it would be bad business to waive the fee. " V: ". " (You can imagine my composed response).

In the end, he ended up taking her side, refused to waive the LD, and quickly exited (no where to be found after that). So I kept calm (breathe. Breathe. Breathe). , paid the 800+ peso bill and left without looking at anyone.

Back to the point about the millennial attitude. Just as we were waiting for the manager to come, the girl asks in a provocative manner (like poking me): "Are you angry??

So to relate back to some of the discussions taking place recently on this AC forum, yes younger girls are brazenly determining their own terms of engagement, cunningly devising ways to scam guys out of drink commissions with no intention of bar fining, and getting the tacit support (at this particular, unnamed establishment anyway) of their eviscerated (meaning guys who have their balls missing) supervisors.

On the positive side, Over 4 days, I have only experienced real negativism with this one (unnamed) establishment. All the others have been rather courteous and professional (aside from mamasans and waitresses asking for drinks).

So beware gents: If you happen to go into an AC establishment with a name that might fit the criteria above and start buying lady drinks for young dancers claiming to be 19 and promising to go home with you before they suddenly remember, after you buy them multiple LDs, that they accidentally forgot to tell you that they are "having their period" and you get scammed out of a little drink money (ok I can walk away from 600 pesos easily enough), and you get no positive response from the management when you complain. Don't say I didn't warn you!

Welcome to the new mongering millennium. Shit!

Never forget they are working girls there to suck money from your wallet.

[WestCoast1]

I find the 'beauty in the eye of the beholder' comment a little surprising coming from you. I've just trawled back 100 pages on the Angeles thread looking for intel for my forthcoming trip and whenever your name appeared you were calling out how ugly the girls are. To such a degree in fact, I assumed you were just one of those people whose sole aim on ISG is to discourage others from visiting for their own benefit (there are a lot of them about, especially on the Pattaya thread). I'm sure that's not the case, it's just the way you came across.

But in contrast to your reaction to Volterra's excellent posts when he rates girls highly out of ten, you don't add 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder' when you routinely tell us how unfuckable girls in Angeles are.

I would argue that a stroll thru the WS bars on most nights, especially the bars with lots of girls, will find you at least a handful of 'model-material' beauties, and possibly several in each of the larger bars. That doesn't mean that they are all bar-fine-able tonight (for any number of reasons given by the girl). But some are. Also, there is no reason that even a picky fella can't take a step down the next lowest number in order to get laid (assuming he's horny). F*cking a 7, even several nights a week, is better than f*cking no 8's (or anyone) every night of the week. Its not a crime (neither is taking home a 7 and waking up with a 4 -- so I've heard).

OTOH, I am aware that not everyone feels this way.

[Volterra]

I am in my 40's. I'm fit and tall and I have all my hair so most of the girls think I'm in my 30's. But you are right. Hammer is worthless. Mega is for fun, if you like that kind of fun. If you absolutely want sex that night, don't go. Sometimes I went alone, sometimes with a girl, sometimes with a group. Occasionally I'd see someone I knew there and hang with them. Yes you do need to have some social skills, and dress up a bit. You walk around and smile at a girl, if she smiles back, you say Hi. Some girls would grab my hand as I walk by. You just keep walking and turn back and smile but keep going. Then when you make your way back around you say Hello,. In the old days I'd have patience to romance these girls, but not so much now.

I know that Q bar girl from your report well. She is a sweetheart and a sexual dynamo. I think I know the waitress from Carousel too and she is annoying as hell so you dodged a bullet. The one I wanted from Carousel is the 'dance manager'. She's an insanely hot mid 30's thin hottie who wears pencil skirts and glasses and tells the girls on stage what to do. Never was able to pull that off.

Edit: Funny, I wrote that before I read your next post. Yep that's the dance manager, the one who was yelling. I find her extremely sexy but seems to be all business.

This can happen. It's best not to get too worked up over it. You ended up paying a few bucks to hang with a sexy girl and probably grope her a bit. Believe me, if she doesn't want to go with you, you don't want to go with her. The experience is unlikely to be good, and then you're out a whole lot more money. You smile and leave and say maybe next time. And maybe there is a next time when she's in the mood. Or not. I appreciate that the girls get to make decisions on whether or not they barfine, although it's true you did get scammed, but just a little.

Thanks for both your responses FG. You obviously have a long life of great indulgence to look forward with both looks and sensibility. Still being good looking and in your 40's changes the perspective greatly, especially since you still look to be in your 30's. You are going to get attention just by being there, and you are doing something that I kind of wish I had started doing 15 years ago -- playing both the civilian and PPM game. (I tried almost exclusively with civs until just before covid and see now that I added years of angst on all those weekends that I struck out, even if there were plenty where I didn't). So not at all to sound condescending, but your looks and physique will inevitably have to go at some point (probably in 10-15 years, and unexpectedly once over 50). As for now, you can approach a place like Mega with a completely different winner's strategy than the over 55 solo guys like me. So I am going to keep living vicariously through you and the other superstars here. (I'm just an advancing novice for my age.).

As for the Carousel dance manager, our Q Bar sweetie and I ran into her walking home with another western gentleman on our way back to the hotel. She is fucking hot with that librarian look, and seems she may well be available (unless he is her BF). I may test that myself (though other guys reading this will probably flock to her now, my self inflicted wound for ISG altruism and brotherhood).

Thanks also for the perspective on the scam. I was damn furious at the moment and wasn't sure I could cool down after that. Good to get perspective from the bros here so that I do not dwell on it. Looking forward to reading of your adventures in the coming decades sir!

[Axel Heyst]

Morale of the story, the best looking girls want money without fucking it is what it is, like it or leave it. When the powers that be (bar owners) grow a pair and put a stop to all this deceit then ill be a much happier punter and delighted to be the 1st to report of such.

The morale of the story if what you say is true is that sooner, or later, more likely sooner than later, word will get out and guys will stop coming to AC, the bars will go out of business, and the girls will ply their trade for real somewhere else. Pussy is a price inelastic commodity meaning demand does not respond much to higher prices. But BMD pussy is not real pussy, so it should kill of demand as long as there are other destinations where real pussy remains available.

[NapaSlapper]

As I and many others have reported drinks only girls are alive and well in most Angeles bars, what does not help is that these girls are the better looking girls, exactly because the better looking girls get massive attention and many drinks bought that they can earn the big peso without barfining at all, its all part and parcel of doing business in Angeles bars.

Know personally many girls that are drinks only girls, on a bad night they can get 10 -15 drinks on a good night 20-25 drinks at 150 peso per drink commission to the girl plus her 800 peso per day salary plus making it rain money plus tips and that drink only girl is earning as much in a day as a top pi surgeon, all without showing the colour of her undies to anyone.

Many Angeles girls play the game, tell the punter all that he wants to hear, hit punter for as many lady drinks as possible and then when its time to leave remember that its the wrong time of the month or one of many other excuses, no need to feel bad, its just how it is.

Some people would call those like myself negative or not wanting others to visit but in truth one writes what they see and that includes the truth of drinks only girls and virgins in brothels, bars with older fat girls in huge numbers and the Koreans being no1 top dog to those girls that will barfine, again not negative reporting just truthful reporting even though the rose coloured specs brigade still claim my girl was a stunner, the best girl in the bar and only in Angeles city can this fun be found.

Morale of the story, the best looking girls want money without fucking it is what it is, like it or leave it. When the powers that be (bar owners) grow a pair and put a stop to all this deceit then ill be a much happier punter and delighted to be the 1st to report of such.

[AsianPursuits]

Why would one only compare home town prices to angeles, many other asian destinations offer what's available in angeles often with much higher quality girls at similar or less when all costs factored in, what's more important is that many of those other destinations offer girls that actually barfine for a living, where bars are not full of virgins and girls that will only barfine with certain nationalities (asians) where whitie does not have to mostly except what the asians discard.

I suppose comparing apples to apples (asian destinations) does not suit ones agenda.

Not sure what agenda you are discussing. This is the Angeles thread where I visit and work and I'm in my home country. I don't have the opportunity to go other Asian countries. Comparing between countries is good of course but it's not a comparison I other to make as I'm on the ground in Ph regularly.

[Goferring]

So a question about this. The pretty asian model. If she is an 8 while dolled up and modeling, is she still an 8 when she is not dolled up and is running out to the store in jeans and T-shirt?

Not me unfortunately but a buddy once dated an ex-Ms Indonesia. We talk about 10's, well she was literally a Ms Universe contestant. That's as close as I know.

Around the house, in no makeup, jeans and a T shirt, she was very tall but otherwise any other attractive Asian girl.

Give her 10 minutes to put on some make up and a cute dress and she was stunning.

An hour or two to fully glam up for a night out and she was out of this world.

She both had great foundations to work off and certainly knew how to put a look together.

Not a covered in this discussion but one thing that did amaze me was that she was a nice girl but absolutely useless out in the real world. Couldn't cook, clean or anything remotely domestic. A holiday for 7 days needed 7 sets of clothes as she had no idea of how to do a wash.

Enjoy. G.

[Dg8787]

I find the 'beauty in the eye of the beholder' comment a little surprising coming from you. I've just trawled back 100 pages on the Angeles thread looking for intel for my forthcoming trip and whenever your name appeared you were calling out how ugly the girls are. To such a degree in fact, I assumed you were just one of those people whose sole aim on ISG is to discourage others from visiting for their own benefit (there are a lot of them about, especially on the Pattaya thread). I'm sure that's not the case, it's just the way you came across.

But in contrast to your reaction to Volterra's excellent posts when he rates girls highly out of ten, you don't add 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder' when you routinely tell us how unfuckable girls in Angeles are.

Good observation. According to him they are all unfuckable. We are all fucking the over priced unfuckables. Sometimes multiple unfuckables a day. No credibility to me.

[FuriousGeorge]

So to relate back to some of the discussions taking place recently on this AC forum, yes younger girls are brazenly determining their own terms of engagement, cunningly devising ways to scam guys out of drink commissions with no intention of bar fining, and getting the tacit support (at this particular, unnamed establishment anyway) of their eviscerated (meaning guys who have their balls missing) supervisors.

This can happen. It's best not to get too worked up over it. You ended up paying a few bucks to hang with a sexy girl and probably grope her a bit. Believe me, if she doesn't want to go with you, you don't want to go with her. The experience is unlikely to be good, and then you're out a whole lot more money. You smile and leave and say maybe next time. And maybe there is a next time when she's in the mood. Or not. I appreciate that the girls get to make decisions on whether or not they barfine, although it's true you did get scammed, but just a little.

[Sir Lancelot]

Not sure why guys like to give grades to their barfines, things like, yeh my girl last night was an 8,9,10,these grades are obviously in the eye of the beholder, ones 8,9,10 might be a 0 for others.

I find the 'beauty in the eye of the beholder' comment a little surprising coming from you. I've just trawled back 100 pages on the Angeles thread looking for intel for my forthcoming trip and whenever your name appeared you were calling out how ugly the girls are. To such a degree in fact, I assumed you were just one of those people whose sole aim on ISG is to discourage others from visiting for their own benefit (there are a lot of them about, especially on the Pattaya thread). I'm sure that's not the case, it's just the way you came across.

But in contrast to your reaction to Volterra's excellent posts when he rates girls highly out of ten, you don't add 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder' when you routinely tell us how unfuckable girls in Angeles are.

[FuriousGeorge]

I am in my 40's. I'm fit and tall and I have all my hair so most of the girls think I'm in my 30's. But you are right. Hammer is worthless. Mega is for fun, if you like that kind of fun. If you absolutely want sex that night, don't go. Sometimes I went alone, sometimes with a girl, sometimes with a group. Occasionally I'd see someone I knew there and hang with them. Yes you do need to have some social skills, and dress up a bit. You walk around and smile at a girl, if she smiles back, you say Hi. Some girls would grab my hand as I walk by. You just keep walking and turn back and smile but keep going. Then when you make your way back around you say Hello,. In the old days I'd have patience to romance these girls, but not so much now.

I know that Q bar girl from your report well. She is a sweetheart and a sexual dynamo. I think I know the waitress from Carousel too and she is annoying as hell so you dodged a bullet. The one I wanted from Carousel is the 'dance manager'. She's an insanely hot mid 30's thin hottie who wears pencil skirts and glasses and tells the girls on stage what to do. Never was able to pull that off.

Edit: Funny, I wrote that before I read your next post. Yep that's the dance manager, the one who was yelling. I find her extremely sexy but seems to be all business.

And I am curious. Even though you say you are aging, what age range do you fall into? Are you talking 40's, 50's or 60's? It would help us put your success into perspective. I'm nearing 60 myself and had a fairly successful 3 decades pulling civs up until just a few years ago (my mid 50's). I know that PH has opportunities for guys who have otherwise "lost it" in their home countries. I have seen a few very good looking guys late 40's early 50's here getting extra attention from women, but not sure that most of us can get it on looks alone anymore. Still many thanks for the valuable info. Great reading dude.

[NapaSlapper]

Very much concur. I am relatively easy to please. A mid-30's gal with a decent figure is do-able for me.

So a question about this. The pretty asian model. If she is an 8 while dolled up and modeling, is she still an 8 when she is not dolled up and is running out to the store in jeans and T-shirt? Are you giving a higher number to a 'type'? What if the model and the brothel girl are very similar in looks while naked and you give them the same number; but are displayed differently later. In my book that doesn't change my number for either girl. How about in your book?

Thanks for your input westy.

In honesty Never in my 28 years of being around Asian brothels have I seen a girl working at such that could have passed for a top fashion model, not even close, had the brothel girl resembled a professional model she would have been picked up by an agent and earning thousands of usd per hour for modelling not selling her pussy for 100 usd a pop.

The world is made up of all sorts of tastes, I'm not in to heavily made up girls, not into fake tits, not into ink, not into crazy coloured hair etc, some guys are into all of those hence why I say numbers are pointless.

I'm sure that a professional catwalk model whether in make up or not would not be turned down by any guys the world over so point up or point down means little, she still would be stunning either way.

Speaking to many of my Angeles friends and reading Angeles based boards most are adamant that their girls always resemble the finest girls known to man, maybe drinking 15 beers every night helps with their claims.

[Volterra]

Very much concur. I am relatively easy to please. A mid-30's gal with a decent figure is do-able for me.

So a question about this. The pretty asian model. If she is an 8 while dolled up and modeling, is she still an 8 when she is not dolled up and is running out to the store in jeans and T-shirt? Are you giving a higher number to a 'type'? What if the model and the brothel girl are very similar in looks while naked and you give them the same number; but are displayed differently later. In my book that doesn't change my number for either girl. How about in your book?

For me, I'm talking about what they look like naked back in the room. Or if I'm only seeing them on stage, it's what I'm imagining they will look like naked based on me sitting at the bar with my beer and staring at them in ways that I couldn't do in other public places. Of course I'm not sure if I'm correct. But I like go go bars exactly because we can (usually) see more of them and stare at them longer in different positions.

So yeah I agree with you. I don't care about the pretty Asian model all dolled up and photoshopped. That's BS. And I don't pay attention to the go go bosses calling their girls "models. " I don't see much difference. Anyway, we all got our own tastes. And hell yeah, a mid-30's gal with a decent figure is do-able for me too. I'm fucking happy with the 34 and 38 year olds I had the last 2 nights.