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  1. #37475
    Quote Originally Posted by SirLancelot  [View Original Post]
    My original post clearly explained that she was live-streaming for the bar from a different place (I think it's the owners condo). Tellingly, you block-quoted me and then took the time to carefully and very specifically delete the very information that adds the all important context. Hmm.
    Don't know why you accused me of altering the context of your post. You clearly said the girl said she had finished work. You then go on to say that the bar also livestreams. You say nothing about this particular girl actually being involved in livestreaming during the time she told you she had finished work. Hmm.

    Quote Originally Posted by SirLancelot  [View Original Post]
    When I arrived at Oh Bar the cute girl wasn't there. I messaged her on Line and she said she had finished for the day. It was only 11 pm so I assumed she had been barfined but she offered to come back to the bar to see me. It turns out that this bar, along with many others, turned to live-streaming during lockdown and they've kept it going ever since, with three or four of their sexier girls performing in front of the camera all night while the rest work at the bar.

  2. #37474
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleBigMan  [View Original Post]
    It is a babysitting service by our standard memorization zero critical thinking reason for example they can't even pave a road properly or put in a drain system in Pattaya. But as long as they are fifty years behind when times are rough Thai raise prices this is just one of those things out of millions and there will always be pussy even if prices are up or down.
    Off topic, but comment anyway. There's a lot of expat moaning about Thai education system everywhere esp by those who have kids in govt schools or otherwise follow it at close distance. Just like there is moaning about military coups, Thai 'democracy' and corrupt practices thruout the society. I don't have kids in Thai schools luckily, but have close enough visibility to the system via girls that have kids in the indoctrination system as I would call it, rather than education system

    I fully understand that the system is designed to be exactly as it should be in this kind of society. Just imagine what would happen in coming decades if the masses would have proper, non-indoctrinated, education that would enable them to use their full potential without being brainwashed to be as they are. Would not be the same Thailand, rather something like Sweden or other north European country. And mongering would certainly not be the same either. Thus, they will not change it, just talk about it around elections of course, just to fool the people.

    Luckily, for the most part at least, this 'education' can not eradicate the deeper human instincts like sex drive nor natural gravitation towards money in Thai genes. Education system is even more important to keep on check than progressive parties as if not, could open can of worms that would be difficult to put back to can without massive bloodshed. Then whether the society should be as it is, is another discussion altogether. Thus, as you said, not much worries of (relatively) cheap pussy supply to continue unless birth rates really start seriously dropping in rural areas. Which is somewhat unlikely due to the education system that is supposed to keep that going.

  3. #37473
    Quote Originally Posted by MrEnternational  [View Original Post]
    Well let me add blatant dishonesty to the discussion.

    My buddy has a kid with a chick and they live together in a condo that he bought. He gives her money left and right. The other day she told him that she has to get 2 root canals 20,000 baht each. I told him to wait a damn minute. It was years ago, but the last time I got a root canal it was 10,000 baht. So I hit a chick up that I mess with who is a dental tech and asked her how much root canals cost where she works in Central Pattaya. 6,000,8,000, and 10,000 is what she said. Maybe his chick is going to the dentist of the stars.

    Last night went to my niece's mom's birthday party. My brother had transfered $500 to my bank account to give to his kid. I took the money out of my USA account and put it in my Thai bank before going to the party. At the party I transferred the 17,000 baht by phones to her bank account. She refuses to believe my brother sent the money and thinks I gave her the money. I said look lady. Where the hell do you think I have 17,000 baht to just give away to you?

    I told my brother and sent him a picture of us from the party. He said that girl is so dishonest. After I gave her the money she turns around to ask him for money to go to Bangkok to pick up my niece. She also tells him that she would stay home because she has to work. Who the hell would feel the need to lie about not going to their own birthday party? Thai people, that is who.
    You are right but to our standards, as I've said a number of times. It is kind of like the Seinfeld series where Jerry figures out how George passes the lie detector test. He believes deeply that what he is saying isn't a lie. There was a survey done with Thais a few years back about lies and lying many Thais from the survey believe a bit of lying is good for you and the population. With that type of thinking you can see why Thais leaders get up daily and just lie. Obvious to us why? We come from the West our education is " Critical thinking " during Covid especially you see lies after lies just blatant.

    Your example is very good! They come up with these type of things their whole life no one has ever called them on it because confrontation and criticism is not a way of life them being silent breeds this type of behavior in people not only in Thais. My brother and cousin have introverted personalities and friends who I also know since we were in grade school nice guy good heart so they put up with him. But the stuff that comes out of his mouth he really believes in it even without any data throws it it is so off the wall being me I question it he doesn't like it no one has ever done that to him so he holds grudges towards me although he says he doesn't he acted on it recently but lie outright it was the case. Like Thais saying nothing I tell my brother and cousin the reason he acts this way and abuses people close to him is that no one says anything to him thus the result they create this type of situation in people as with Thailand this is what we end up with?

    In the P4 P scene, it gets worse because those exposed to the scene here hear that foreigners are stupid the term in Thai is " Buffaloe " and some are so strongly about it that they are blatant. I got millions of stories about why they ask more than they need and why they ask for you to pay for every little thing, when guys BF girls want this want that " gold, phone " they feel you got it therefore you should shell it out " then it is showing off to their friends no different than if you buy drinks the girls ask if you would buy drinks for their friends everything is somewhat related. I've been told by a few girls I've been with who know the ropes and how to play it when they feel they got a buffalo. Be reserved and submissive, show them you aren't the way they think speak English tell them it is your first day. Does it work why not continue?

    I got a good friend I grew up with street-wise tough used to run one of the biggest Asian gangs at home. There were a number of years I didn't see him spent 7 years at Folsom how he survived shocks me knowing him today. Us being adults now he comes to Thailand regularly maybe it is because he has lots of money it doesn't matter but for a guy who I remember being street smart is dumber than dumb I call him " Charlie Tuna " because no matter how many times he gets burned by the same lines and lies you throw him back into the water when another hook comes he bites again. This guy I would say have lost close to 100 million baht falling for the same line or lies. Once a girl he had from Bangkok who I knew had a husband in Bangkok told him but he said " you don't know her " in the end he ask her to marry the next day she took off for a few days never said a word comes back and a diamond ring says 50,000 baht please I left to buy a ring in Bangkok because they don't have shops in Pattaya there was a good known shop just around the corner from his hotel. The same girl a year later all the time sending money said he is moving to Thailand and going to live in Siracha. The girl said we need a car so can pick you up at the airport in style 600,000 baht I made a bet with my brother and cousins when he comes out of immigration he will be alone. You don't need the results, do you?

    On that trip, he hooks up with another chick who after a week starts to give her 50,000 baht a month to stop work and goes back to the farm for another 10 years this girl is soaking his ass up with stuff like I need 80,000 baht for an A / see, meantime she is posting stuff being fucked by a car salesman bragging to all her friends she got one of the stupidest buffaloe on the face of this earth. Every lie out of her mouth wasn't ever really a lie to her. It got so bad that when one of my cousins got couldn't take it any longer a bunch of us got into a van and drove up to her village go the evidence firsthand for him it wasn't until then he got the message. When he stopped sending and supporting her she went on FB and posted she couldn't understand the problem and why she doesn't get a second chance.

    They can because it works and no one has ever explained or challenged them so they travel down the same road. There are guys out there who think because they are poor so help yet back home never made a donation to anyone. Some get burned by BG's they think helping non-P4 P is going to be different it isn't they all come from the same school of thought. Don't get me wrong there are lots of cases out there good ones but just not enough to change how many of us think! Many don't have a clue how the banking system works in the West to this day after 20 years my own wife doesn't understand just click here and there and it is here. But if I say jokingly you think I'm an ATM that gets me the couch for the night!

    When it comes to a dentist " root canal " amount is a tough call if they actually need it done. My cousin a Dentist joked he had a license to steal. When you go in pain you are at their mercy how many times have anyone of you gotten up and said let me get a second opinion and shop around.
    The last major service when I need I go to German Dental years ago I had a crown done it was guaranteed for five years. Years later I had pain from the same tooth a crown made by the same place but the roots weren't killed now to do them all four roots were close to 20,000 baht and that was going through the same crown creating a hole and then sealing it.

  4. #37472
    Quote Originally Posted by RakSopheni  [View Original Post]
    Does anyone know if the ferry from Pattaya to Hua Hin that had been operational pre-COVID, is now running reliably again?
    https://www.pattayaunlimited.com/pat...ferry-tickets/

  5. #37471
    Quote Originally Posted by SirLancelot  [View Original Post]
    I was hoping to have 'round 2' in the morning before the Oh Bar girl left at 9 am but she didn't want to as apparently she had a bad back. I was disappointed. She had been so flirty with me on Line I thought she was a guaranteed wild time but it didn't work out that way. She kissed with her mouth closed and didn't show much affection, so long-timing her was pointless. As she offered a restricted menu I didn't tip her.
    Sir L. Glad to see you back and posting. Your trip reports are very enjoyable. Have a great time.

  6. #37470

    I am confused

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaBoi  [View Original Post]
    AFAIK it hasn't returned. I don't see Viator or Klook actively selling tickets so that's a sign.



    Wasn't aware Treetown had a gogo bar so of course I had to look it up. I won't say anything. I'll post 3 photos the club posted in the past 3 days and let you guys decide if it's worth going to.
    From reading the posts on here I am beginning to think some of you guys don't understand how karma works. Fucking a 10 gets you zero karma, fucking a 5 gets you lots of karma. Fucking anything less than a five is just sad, even the law of Karma has its limits. So, to build up Karma you need to lower your standards every now and then and take one for the team. Thai girls really love a man with a big heart, so if that 10 sees you take a 5 out of the bar they will fall in love with you. Lucky for me I have earned enough karma in my life that I don't have to fuck 5's anymore. I will happily take care of the 10's while you guys are building up karma.

  7. #37469
    Quote Originally Posted by RakSopheni  [View Original Post]
    Pattaya to Hua Hin Ferry. Does anyone know if the ferry from Pattaya to Hua Hin that had been operational pre-COVID, is now running reliably again?
    AFAIK it hasn't returned. I don't see Viator or Klook actively selling tickets so that's a sign.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Lancelot  [View Original Post]
    Next we went to Escape, Tree Town's only gogo bar. It's far livelier inside than November with many more girls, unfortunately most are 30+, not particularly attractive
    Wasn't aware Treetown had a gogo bar so of course I had to look it up. I won't say anything. I'll post 3 photos the club posted in the past 3 days and let you guys decide if it's worth going to.
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  8. #37468

    Day 21: familiar faces

    I was hoping to have 'round 2' in the morning before the Oh Bar girl left at 9 am but she didn't want to as apparently she had a bad back. I was disappointed. She had been so flirty with me on Line I thought she was a guaranteed wild time but it didn't work out that way. She kissed with her mouth closed and didn't show much affection, so long-timing her was pointless. As she offered a restricted menu I didn't tip her.

    I met Sam for breakfast and it was good to catch up. He's moved to a new condo (12,000 baht a month) as his previous landlord tried to double his rent. Afterwards I withdrew a hefty amount of cash from an ATM and stocked up on snacks for my room from a 7 Eleven.

    At 3 pm I decided to go to Soi 6 for some afternoon action. I'm only in Pattaya for seven days so I don't want to waste any afternoons.

    In the space of four months a lot has changed along 2nd Road. Drinking Street has now been completely demolished, recently I assume as JCBs were busily moving rubble around. A sleek looking new nightclub named Club K has opened near Soi 6 but by far the most exciting development is Sabai Dee massage parlour has parted with the garish multi-coloured exterior and is now garish pink.

    I didn't want to spend too long on Soi 6, I just wanted a quickie with a willing participant. Although the street is liveliest after 5 pm with a far higher percentage of pretty girls, there are still lots of girls mid-afternoon and the occasional gem. I fucked 10 girls here on my November trip and the standard of girls was excellent.

    I slowly walked down the road, eyes darting from one girl to the next. There's a girl for most tastes here, from innocent-looking 18-20 year olds to hardcore pros covered in tattoos. A salon had opened on the street so the current fashion amongst the girls is coloured hair extensions. The girls at each bar wear matching outfits including sailor outfits, nurses uniforms, French maids and of course lots of fishnets.

    A girl flashed me a big metallic smile at Lust, so I went inside and bought her a drink. She was pretty in a distinctive way with big lips and beautiful slanted eyes. If Netflix ever create a drama set in the red light district of 1950's Bangkok, this girl ticks all of the Asian hooker stereotypes. She was 25 and was extremely sexy in red lacy underwear. She had a slim body with what looked large natural breasts.

    I paid 400 for the room and followed her peachy bum up the steep steps at the back. She'd quoted 1500 but she immediately accepted my 1000 counter-offer plus 'tip if you make me smile'. The room was small and basic, with just a fan lazily whirring above to keep me cool. There were cartoon characters on the bedsheets and a mirror alongside the bed.

    We showered separately in a small bathroom and I marvelled at her naked body. She was tall and slim and didn't have any tattoos. She had perfect, fuller tits and a neatly trimmed Bush.

    She gave me a nice blowjob, which looked great in the mirror and before long I couldn't wait to slide in to her pussy. I slid a condom on and fucked her in mish to start. I enjoyed sucking her nipples as I slowly grinded in to her, then leaned up and gave her a good hard pumping. I caught her looking at us in the mirror and joked it was like we were in our own porn movie.

    The room was like a sauna so I asked her to go on top. She rode me as I squeezed her lovely tits and then I discarded the condom and finished with a nice 69. She groaned whenever I stuck my tongue up her juicy pussy and wanked me furiously when when heard me coming.

    It was enjoyable, hot, sticky session with a sexy girl.

    I took the baht bus back towards my hotel and had bolognese at the small stall where Soi Diana meets Soi Buakhao. As I was eating I had to laugh. On my trip in November my standout girl worked at Area 52 but I could never get near her because she was always with a customer, including five days straight with a middle-aged German guy with glasses. I'm planning to barfine her this week but who should walk past as I was eating my spaghetti but the German guy who had monopolised her!

    Sam and I decided on an early start to our bar-crawl tonight, meeting at 6 pm at Subway. I saw a familiar face at Boobie Trap, the sweet girl I barfined twice in November. I bought her a drink and we held hands as we chatted.

    Soi Buakhao is definitely busier since November. A new bar, Pink Devil, has opened opposite Boobie Trap, Annie Jacks seems to have an influx of new talent and The Bay next door was full of girls too. Sadly Vixen though, my favourite bar in November, has lost its prettiest girls because the manager didn't pay them one month. We turned left on to Tree Town and went to Blue Sky Bar, a good people-watching spot.

    We went to the bar the lovely Jen works at next. She was taking a shower when I arrived. Her parents own the bar so I presume she lives upstairs. Finally she appeared, wearing no makeup on and looking naturally beautiful. 'I go put makeup on' she said before disappearing for another 15 minutes. I like this girl and would love to barfine her again but I wonder whether she even accepts barfines under her parent's noses.

    As we walked towards Area 52 we passed Sam's favourite girl, wearing casual clothes and walking hand-in-hand with a man. Sam was pleased as she's a thirsty girl and he normally ends up buying several ladydrinks for her. Instead he bought a drink for a pretty new young girl he's working on.

    In the space of one minute I received two Line messages.

    Ironically the first was from Miss Popular, the beautiful Area 52 girl I was hoping to meet in this very bar. 'I see you last night' she said. I messaged her back asking where she was and she sent me a two second video of a food court that could be anywhere in SE Asia. I love Asian girls but sometimes it can be frustrating getting a straight answer from them.

    The second message came from my girl of the trip in November, a beautiful skinny girl I barfined twice. 'I come to work now' she said before pinning the location of her new bar on a map. It's located on a side street off Soi Buakhao, the one with the rock / metal pub on the corner. There is a cluster of bars and I saw her standing at the front of one. She looked as beautiful as I remembered, her hair freshly curled. In November she was 42 kilos and I was pleased to see she's put a bit of weight on. It was great to catch up over a drink and we agreed that I'd barfine her in a few days time.

    Sam and I walked back on to Tree Town and we saw Sam's favourite girl again, the one we'd seen leaving with a customer just an hour ago. She was back at her bar so it had obviously been a short-time of Soi 6 proportions. Amusingly she denied she'd gone with a customer, apparently she was just showing him where the motorbike taxis can be found! She asked Sam for a drink but when he said we were going to another bar, she told him to fuck off. I'm detecting cracks in their relationship.

    Next we went to Escape, Tree Town's only gogo bar. It's far livelier inside than November with many more girls, unfortunately most are 30+, not particularly attractive and there is more silicon on show than Silicon Valley. The air-con is turned low so there are lots of erect nipples on show. But of course the beauty of these kind of places is that no matter how unpromising they might be, it only takes one girl. I saw a lovely girl get up on stage to dance, so invited her down for a drink. She was just 21 and very pretty with braces on her teeth. She was a giggly thing too and I enjoyed chatting with her. She told me the barfine is an eye-watering 2000 before midnight and 1000 afterwards. Her prices were 3500 short-time and 5000 long-time. Steep but negotiable I'd suggest.

    Sam was keen to show me Angel and Monster next, the circular open-sided gogo style bar. 'The girls are fucking ugly here' he said as we took the first swig of our drinks which did make me wonder why he'd brought me here. Despite his comment, there were a few nice ones, including the big-boobed dancer I tried to barfine in November and another girl with the perkiest tits I've seen in Pattaya so far.

    We had a quick drink in Moonlight and then another in Oh Bar, where Sam unknowingly played pool against the cute girl I'd fucked last night. It was a strange situation as she kept sneaking cute smiles in my direction.

    It was 12.30 and time to find a girl. Problem is, a lot of the prettier ones are safely tucked up in bed at this time of night. A case in point is Annie Jacks and The Bay next door, which were stocked with a good selection of girls earlier in the night but now only had a handful of older girls. Tree Town had slim pickings, unusually so did Soi Pothole.

    I walked on to Soi LK Metro and was enticed in to Pulse by a sexy nurse with big tits. There were 15 girls dancing and the standard was fairly mediocre, but the sexy nurse who had come inside with me was great. She was 21, had a stellar body and was very easy to talk to. I would certainly have barfined her but her commercialism cost her. She necked her tequila and kept repeatedly asking for another, so I paid my bill. 'If you not keep asking for drink, I pay your barfine' I told her and she seemed to understand.

    It was getting late and suddenly I couldn't be bothered with bars and having the same conversations over and over again. I walked up Soi Honey, which isn't packed with many stunners come the witching hour but I struck lucky at a small massage-with-extras place near 2nd Road. There was a nice looking 21 year old, sat behind a chunky woman probably twice her age. Ten minutes later we'd showered in a room upstairs and she was giving me an inexperienced massage.

    'Okay we boom boom now' she said after 15 minutes.

    The sex was enjoyable. She was talkative as I fucked her in mish and giggled when I sucked her earlobe. She was shocked when I asked her to go on top and was very inexperienced, sitting there on my cock, barely wiggling her hips at all. But I enjoyed the view as she had a majestic pair of natural tits (she's my third girl in Pattaya and all have been blessed with big tits). It was left to me to do all the work from beneath, grabbing her arse-cheeks and thrusting up in to her, making her groan squeaky groans.

    Once again I was nearly melting because the room was so hot, so I took the condom off and she finished me with a really good, firm handjob. A happy ending to a very enjoyable night.

  9. #37467
    I never thought about asking a 7-11 employee out. But going to 7-11 over there is a great cultural experience. Sometimes credit cards are taken sometimes not. No reason ever given. Just hand signals saying NO or Stick in Card. Beautifully dressed gogo dancers buy the instant soups or chicken meals that take the 7-11 staff 4 minutes to prep and package. Then there is the Grab guys jumping in line to pickup online orders. Meanwhile I am patiently holding my sodas and chips in line and the 3 Punjabi Indians Bark at the staff to Boil Water for the 1 Tap Ramen Noodle Cup of Noodles they all 3 bought. And the staff can't understand that they simply want the Noodle Cup filled with boiling water. Total Chaos and great insight. Now, I will call myself a hypocrite due to the fact that the Beer / Alcohol sales are probably code locked and can't scan at the wrong hours. Sometimes the doors to the beer are closed and sometimes they are opened. Never know when you can buy and not be hassled. But sometimes I see a beer and I open the door and get it. Only to have to surrender the beer at the counter with the other go back items because apparently its too late or too early. Then there is the European tourist who needs to read the label or inspect the label with the refrigerator door open with his knees and decide after 4 minutes to grab another item in the refrigerator thereby blocking my fat ass from grabbing my Coke Soda ... Love the 7-11's in Pattaya.

  10. #37466
    Quote Originally Posted by MrEnternational  [View Original Post]
    Are you fucking with us right now? You really actually had a girl's contact info. While she was off work, you contacted her come to work so that you could give her boss money for her to go with you on her off time? People really do leave their brains at the airport when they come to this place.
    My original post clearly explained that she was live-streaming for the bar from a different place (I think it's the owners condo). Tellingly, you block-quoted me and then took the time to carefully and very specifically delete the very information that adds the all important context. Hmm.

    Anyway, good to hear from you again. As cheerful as always.

  11. #37465
    Quote Originally Posted by ChaChumplin  [View Original Post]
    High season or low season I always see hordes of Bargirls with no customers.
    It wasn't that long ago when there were posts every day about the bars being open, but not too many ladies were in them.

  12. #37464

    Pattaya to Hua Hin Ferry

    Does anyone know if the ferry from Pattaya to Hua Hin that had been operational pre-COVID, is now running reliably again?

  13. #37463
    Quote Originally Posted by HorseTrader  [View Original Post]
    Another friend is planning on opening a shop in Pattaya with tourists being the primary customers. I encouraged her to keep her old job until shortly before tourist season. She insists that the tourists come all year long. She quit her old job just in time for low season.
    Thai girl has desire to no longer be in P4P industry. Thai girl looks to open her own food/coffee/salon/retail shop. Thai girl sees that a good shop location that was too expensive in September was much cheaper in March. Thai girl decides to pay 200,000 baht to take over the existing shop lease of a successful business. Thai girl notices business falls flat within a month or two. Thai girl tries to sell lease with no takers until September. Smart person with business sense buys Thai Girl business lease for 25,000 baht to prepare for High season of customers in September. Thai girl goes back to work in a gogo bar in September. Thai girl is out a ton of money and 6 months of opportunity cost. Thai girl works from September to March. Thai girl repeats same mistake the following March.

  14. #37462
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaBoi  [View Original Post]
    The girls keep coming and coming at least til Songkran. 'High season' means lots of guys/customers. It doesn't necessarily mean fewer girls in "low season'. The 2 months I noticed the fewest girls in Pattaya gogo bars are July and August but the girls quickly return around mid to end of September.
    To your point, last night I did an overnight on Samui with a P4P girl who just arrived a week ago. She asked me if there will still be many customers when the rains start. I told her I never come during rainy season and I had to explain why I only come when weather is expected to be good.

    Another friend is planning on opening a shop in Pattaya with tourists being the primary customers. I encouraged her to keep her old job until shortly before tourist season. She insists that the tourists come all year long. She quit her old job just in time for low season.

    Neither of these girls seem to grasp the simple concept of tourism being a seasonal business. Critical thinking.

  15. #37461
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleBigMan  [View Original Post]
    As noted what is disturbing and missing in government schools is " critical thinking " which is lacking throughout their society and culture the inability to come up with solutions
    Well let me add blatant dishonesty to the discussion.

    My buddy has a kid with a chick and they live together in a condo that he bought. He gives her money left and right. The other day she told him that she has to get 2 root canals 20,000 baht each. I told him to wait a damn minute. It was years ago, but the last time I got a root canal it was 10,000 baht. So I hit a chick up that I mess with who is a dental tech and asked her how much root canals cost where she works in Central Pattaya. 6,000,8,000, and 10,000 is what she said. Maybe his chick is going to the dentist of the stars.

    Last night went to my niece's mom's birthday party. My brother had transfered $500 to my bank account to give to his kid. I took the money out of my USA account and put it in my Thai bank before going to the party. At the party I transferred the 17,000 baht by phones to her bank account. She refuses to believe my brother sent the money and thinks I gave her the money. I said look lady. Where the hell do you think I have 17,000 baht to just give away to you?

    I told my brother and sent him a picture of us from the party. He said that girl is so dishonest. After I gave her the money she turns around to ask him for money to go to Bangkok to pick up my niece. She also tells him that she would stay home because she has to work. Who the hell would feel the need to lie about not going to their own birthday party? Thai people, that is who.
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