Sao Paulo Reports

[Genghis Khan]

Tiradentes,

"Best bang for the buck"? I really don't like that expression because it implies that it is only the bang itself which is of value and that the woman providing this service is of no value at all. In that case there are women who will bang you for a bowl of rice in the most desperate corners of the world and Brazil has never been the best bang for the buck.

I like to beleive that some kind of attraction to the woman, either physical or psycological, needs to be present for a bang to be of any value at all and that value is a measure of the attraction + her sexual skills. At least this is the case for me and if it is not for you guys I don't understand how your mind works.

Since what attracts us to a woman is highly individual, the real "best bang for the buck" will also be highly individual. So the expression "best bang for the buck" used in a general term gives no meaning to me. To me Brazil will always be paradise and where I find the best experiences. That is because I love the looks, the culture, the passion, the temperament and sexuality og the Brazilian women. They are without pier. To me. If the chance to experiance that will cost me a little more. So be it.

What worries me is that many of the Brazilian gems have started to travel to Europe during the Brazilian offseason and have that wonderful attitude destroyed by being part of the more hardcore European scene. Secondly it seems that the officials in SP have decided that in this specific city they have to remove the market.

GK

[Big Bug]

Hi all,

I'll be in Sao paolo, in the short term and would like a good hotel, where I could receive a visitor and not have to go down to reception to get her into the elevator. Any names?

Cheers

[Tiradentes]

Come on guys! Do you really think the options are better in Europe than in Sao Paulo if you are looking for Brazilian girls?

I just returned from a few days in Barcelona which is also flowing over with Brasileiras traveling to Europe during the Brazilian winter / European summer to make money. However I do not think it is possible to compare the quality of the Brasileiras in the city to a city in Brazil.

GK

I believe what most of us are trying to imply, without being able to accurately express our feelings is that:

' Brazil no longer gets you the most bang for your buck'

[Genghis Khan]

Come on guys! Do you really think the options are better in Europe than in Sao Paulo if you are looking for Brazilian girls?

I just returned from a few days in Barcelona which is also flowing over with Brasileiras traveling to Europe during the Brazilian winter / European summer to make money. However I do not think it is possible to compare the quality of the Brasileiras in the city to a city in Brazil.

GK

[Eric Cartman]

I never thought I would hear the day that London was a better place to hobby than Brazil! I know London very well and when you do the sums I guess there isn't that much difference if you are comparing mid to high level Sampa club versus an Escort or Private in London.

It is not that the prices in Brazil in the local currency are so high, it is just that the exchange is very overvalued compared to just about every other country. If I lived back in Europe back I probably would not go to Brazil. There are excellent places in Europe at about the same price or even cheaper than Brazil. Add in the cost of travel and it is getting very hard to justify a trip to Brazil.

FKKs. Particularly Samya (cologne) , Golden Time (duss) , Ying / Yang (duss / netherlands) , and Living Room (duss).

[Bubba Boy]

I never thought I would hear the day that London was a better place to hobby than Brazil! I know London very well and when you do the sums I guess there isn't that much difference if you are comparing mid to high level Sampa club versus an Escort or Private in London.

It is not that the prices in Brazil in the local currency are so high, it is just that the exchange is very overvalued compared to just about every other country. If I lived back in Europe back I probably would not go to Brazil. There are excellent places in Europe at about the same price or even cheaper than Brazil. Add in the cost of travel and it is getting very hard to justify a trip to Brazil.

[Genghis Khan]

Hobbying,

It doesn't sound like you had much luck in Brazil. What you have found in London is available all over the country.

The best country in Europe to find great Brasileiras would be Spain.

London sucks more than SP!

GK

[Hobbying]

Thanks for some nice reports Cartman. You confirm the impression I have received from others recently. The SP club scene sucks at the moment.

GK

I agree esp with the current exchange rate. With the influx of business into Brasil and SP especially the good looking garotas don't care about service they will get another guy the next day and the next. And the club can't do anything about it. Best to stick with clinicas or reviewed girls on gpguia who depend on repeat customers.

I recently discovered how big London scene is which is cheaper than Brazil now believe it or not. No boites as it is not legal but plenty of other stuff with Brazilian girls. They are all here to go to school to learn english and make money and so they depend on repeats. No need to speak porto with them as they can speak english. For 200GBP=500R you can find a super hot girl for that will do anal and cim swallow and multiple pops which I never found once in all my years mongering in Brazil. So now I much prefer coming to London to find a garota than in Brazil LOL.

[Genghis Khan]

Thanks for some nice reports Cartman. You confirm the impression I have received from others recently. The SP club scene sucks at the moment.

GK

[Eric Cartman]

So for my last night in SP, I read up on options and looked over the suggestions here and in PM (thanks guys!).

My one-hour nap turned into a 2hr nap. I got up around 8. 45pm, showered, threw on jeans and a polo shirt, and headed out from the Radisson (Itam Bibi). R$300 per night? I think US$190, nice place, free full breakfast. To Rua Augusta. Cab took about 20 mins. 30 mins probably, another R$30+ down the tubes. Got dropped off near Casario / Casaro (findable on Google). Definitely seedier on this side of Av. Paulista. The farther down the hill, the seedier. Grabbed a salgado and headed to Casaro. Got there around 10. 30. Woman says "Come back at 11pm, we open then." I ask when they close and she says 7am. Yowza! I knew SP was a "late" down but that's hardcore!

Walked down the hill towards Kilt. Long walk. Tried to find Maison on the way but didn't remember the street number. Definitely seedier down around Kilt. The hotel I stayed at in 2005. Grand Hotel Ca D'Oro. Is like right down there somewhere but I didn't see it (maybe it's gone?). The restaurant Planeta that I ate at with a Brazilian porn star on that trip is still there. I think that was the 20 mins we left the room LOL.

Anyway, rock up towards Kilt and see My Love across the street. Figure, hey why not. Turns out entrada is R$10-15 or something or so at least on Friday but it counts to a drink. Grab a water and sit. Decent lighting inside, reasonably nice place. They have a row of like 6 little booth / cabines (with curtains) in the back that apparently you can rent (R$75?) and bang in LOL. Pretty dead inside at 10. 30 or so. 5 girls. Brushed off one and just sort of hung out. Around 11pm a bigger blond chick with a HUGE Asian dragon tattooed on her back comes to talk to me. I'm like, OK, I'll chat. About 10 mins in, she asks for a drink Turns out she wants a Smirnoff Ice which runs R$35. Ack. I'm like, fine. We talk for another 20 mins and she's pretty cool and reasonably OK looking. Naty (natch-ee) is her name. We start negotiating and she gives me the run down. Can suck deep, hates anal, wants R$250 for an hour. I'm like, what about all night. 2 times at night and once in the AM. She's like R$500. I'm like, haha no. So she drops it to R$400. I push her on her BJ skills and she says "You don't want me to suck you without a condom, right?" I'm like. Huh? Of course I do. Lecture her about how every girl I know in Rio and the 2 I had last 2 nights in SP all do this. She relents. I tell her I have to go check out Kilt but might come back. Total cost is R$50 between my entrance, her drink and a $5 commission (to her) they tack on to her drink.

Kilt is across the street. Get there around 11. 30pm. R$50 entrada includes 1 drink. Very busy. TONS of Asian guys (Japanese?). Like 80% of the dudes. Girls are a mixed bag. There are 1-2 cuties (8s) but rest seem just the same as My Love and frankly Rio T's these days. End up talking to 2 girls who are trying to convince me to take both of them back to my hotel. Pricing is quoted again around the R$300 / hr with higher overnights. While this is going on, I turn around and there is a live sex show going on the Kilt stage. Some white fatty chick is getting ploughed by a hairless muscle guy in work boots. Urg. Didn't love seeing that. Hang out for about 30 mins total waiting for better talent, but it doesn't appear.

Head back across to My Love. Get nailed for another entrada. Also have to wait for the Viagra to kick in, so find Naty, tell her to get dressed, and we hang out there for 20-30 mins. She has another Smirnoff Ice. There are probably 20 girls here now and some are pretty cute. Cost to head out is R$70 made up of R$50 for her exit fee, her drink and my entrada. Not quite sure how that all added up but it did.

Long fucking cab ride back to the hotel, length of R. Augusta. Packed with seedier looking folks now at 12-12. 30 and horrible slow traffic. Back at the hotel, she has a cigarette on the deck, asks for the minibar (I demur) , showers up and the fun begins. She was pretty pretty good. Best part was during my second O that night, she's blowing me and she says "Cum in my mouth." I'm like, wait weren't you the chick who wanted to blow me with a condom LMAO. But you don't have to ask me twice. Woke her up at 8am by poking her in the back and she got to business again like a good sport. Handed her R$400 after she got dressed,"like we agreed." She says, o, I need cab money too. I'm like, hey you didn't say anything about that. She pouts. I agree SP sucks for getting around and give her R$20. Pissed me off though. I never give cab fare to Rio chicks except Carlas models or if it's agreed up front. Weak.

Oh yeah. On the way out of My Love, the bouncer outside asks me for a tip. I'm like "What for? For opening the door?" He says something."I'm like, for talking to me? I talk to people all day and nobody gives me a tip!" Fucker. I didn't even take a cab from out front, we walked around the corner. He can kiss my fat white ass.

Total cost of My Love: R$50 + R$70 +$400 + R$20, plus the 2 cab rides (R$30 each way). I think that's R$540 plus R$60, or R$600. Last night at MC, back in Rio, I spent R$470 I think for 1 hour in a cabine and some drinks. It was a night without my free entrada, though. And I hung out in the boate for like 2.5 hours just chilling and watching chicks in bikinis shake their booties. And honestly, I enjoyed the MC experience better. I think Cartman likes to chillax in a robe in a terma, hassle free. Plus the investment is time to get the T chicks (T-girls has wrong connotations lols) to come over to my apt. For R$200.

-Cartman

[Sixtynine]

The price tipically includes the full service the girl provides and massage, typically 2 nuts and a rubdown or so for nearly all of these clinica / massage places. No tip is usually given, but a small token will get you remembered if you are a regular, But if you visit infrequently don't bother, pay at the door for service rendered. Allure is really busy though, so if you have someone in mind you may want to call ahead.

I like the sound of that, included! I had experiences in other countries where "tudo" meant we negotiate again in the room which only leads to more misunderstandings. Nothing reduces an erection faster than a girl denying an additional service or wanting more $ before getting started.

[Black Ceo]

Slightly off topic but none the less about Brazil. Sometimes or a lot of the time, even the smallest thing in Brazil is just made to be so much more difficult than it needs to be. I just came from the Pharmacy to buy some Ibuprofeno. The conversation went like the following and believe me this is the shortened version:

Counter guy: "what concentration of Ibuprofeno do you want".

Me: "whatever you have, it doesn't make much difference to me".

Counter guy: "well 200mg is for." and he goes on and on,"then 300mg is for." he goes on and on,"then of course 400mg is for."

Me: ""I guess I will have 300mg"

Counter guy: "sorry, we only have 400mg, will that do?"

I just look at him wanting to say are you fu*ing kidding me!

This too F*cking funny.

[Bubba Boy]

Slightly off topic but none the less about Brazil. Sometimes or a lot of the time, even the smallest thing in Brazil is just made to be so much more difficult than it needs to be. I just came from the Pharmacy to buy some Ibuprofeno. The conversation went like the following and believe me this is the shortened version:

Counter guy: "what concentration of Ibuprofeno do you want".

Me: "whatever you have, it doesn't make much difference to me".

Counter guy: "well 200mg is for." and he goes on and on,"then 300mg is for." he goes on and on,"then of course 400mg is for."

Me: ""I guess I will have 300mg"

Counter guy: "sorry, we only have 400mg, will that do?"

I just look at him wanting to say are you fu*ing kidding me!

[Bubba Boy]

T501 in Centro Rio has a similar setup when the girls dance on their tiny stages. Some girls let the guys grope away and the guys just go nuts. They virtually stick their heads in the ass crack of the chic and have a good look around. The guys do it with such concentration it is just a hilarious. I have spoken to some of the girls about it, suprisingly some girls actually dig getting groped so go figure! Only in Brazil!

Gk, I went to Zuka the other night. Was OK, not unforgetable, had better meals at many other so called lesser places.

[Sperto]

Bubba Boy,

Thanks for exercising my humor muscle. I haven't lauged this hard in a long time. Teatro Orion is a must visit next time when in SP to watch that spectacle. I will remember to bring a nose clip.

GK

We're all waiting for some of your enjoyable reports, GK.

Oh! You'll take the high-end and
I'll take the low-end
And I'll be in Rua dos Andrades 69 afore ye.
But me and my GP.
Will never meet again.
On the bonnie, bonnie banks of São Paulo.