Sosua Reports

[Rjsss212]

But when I travel to places such as Sosua, parts of Bangkok, Pattaya, places in Mexico.

What part of Bangkok?

[Mr Enternational]

I don't know how old the brother was, but if he was old enough he should have been encouraged to go out and find work, instead of begging. That is one of the things that is assbackwards with enough families now. People accepting complacency, laziness, encouraging and condoning begging.

I stopped at the Shell in Boca Chica to fill up my rental car yesterday. After getting gas 4 times I knew how much I needed to get to the 3/4 tank mark where I had to turn the car in. I pulled up and asked for 500 on regular. I went into the trunk to change clothes while the guy was pumping my gas. He asked if I would give him the flip flops that I had on as a gift. WTF? Then I quickly looked at the pump and it was stopped at 300. I was in such a hurry and so busy changing clothes that I didn't look at it again until I was back in the car. By then it had been reset to 0. After I drove off and the fuel gauge didn't move to where I knew it should have, I realized what had happened. That mf got me for 200 pesos. I had to pay Budget $14 for 1/8 tank of gas.

[Phuquer]

WRX2005, I will eat my words and respond because I feel your post makes some valid points and deserves a response.

My advice and perspective is based on my experiences, things I have seen, and common sense that I have acquired over the years. I don't know what other perspective I can give you or anyone else besides what I have seen and experienced.

I try to share what I have seen and learned over the years to benefit others who are beginning their travels. I don't want them to go through some of the things I have seen other guys go through over the years, and in many places.

Growing up in a bad (and poor) neighborhood, I would observe what I considered to be regular working people stepping out of the subway and immediately get relieved of their watches, handbags, and purses. It was usually the ones that looked like easy targets (women, older people, disabled) , and usually never young fit men who looked like they could defend themselves or make it difficult for the thieves. The people I saw getting robbed usually had expensive watches in plain view, or expensive looking handbags, and they were never aware of their surroundings. I saw people just walk up behind them, snatch the purse or watch, and run in the other direction. By the time the person realized they had gotten robbed and looked back, the thief was half way down the block.

On the subways in New York City they constantly announce that you should be aware of pickpockets, and should not display cell phones or other electronic devices while on the train.

In many areas around the world, I would not hesitate to use my iPhone, iPad, or other device. It is true that I could get robbed anywhere, including right in front of my house. But the chances are even greater if you advertise the things you have.

It is true what you say. I have been fortunate and have not come across a person that was desperate enough to rob me, and it might happen one day. But when I travel to places such as Sosua, parts of Bangkok, Pattaya, places in Mexico, or heck, even places right in New York, I try not to be the easy target. Others can do that if they so wish. If that is being sarcastic, then I am sarcastic. If I display an iPhone, they know I have an iPhone to steal. If I wear an expensive watch, they know there is an expensive watch to steal. If I don't display anything, then there is a chance that they have to force me to open my hotel safe. When I open it, there is a chance that there is a passport, a credit card, and nothing more. Then they have to squeeze to try to extract more from me. The chances of getting caught are greater the longer they stay with me. If they can just snatch my phone or gold chain and disappear, it is much better for them.

In my 6 days in Sosua I witnessed a person getting his gold chain snatched during the day and away from the strip, I witnessed a monger getting into an argument with the politur and a chica because of a disagreement on the amount he should pay her (I don't think it went his way, and he should have just paid what they agreed and left it as that) , and I was part of a group that was almost taken for a ride by the guy that collects the fares on the publico. He wanted 100 pesos each for a 35 peso ride. I gave him 35 pesos and walked away.

There are mongers who travel with the minimal amount of information about places. They get there and try to wing it. My advice is written with them in mind. I want them to protect themselves. Then when they feel more comfortable, they can take more chances.

You want to dissect every comment I post that you don't agree with, you can't seem to understand why I advise what I advise, and you seem to be surprised when I reply with what appears to you as sarcasm after you continually dissect my posts. Yet when Mr. E posted that he gives the cashier his wallet and tells her to take what he owes her you make no comment.

I appreciate your posts. I feel they are intelligent, well written, and usually full of information.

I don't know what you have against my posts, but believe me, all I am trying to do is help the new guys.

Perhaps you should be encouraging that instead of attacking it.

[Wrx2005]

Everyone does Sosua (or any other place) differently. I stated how I do things, how I see things, and what some of my experiences were. I thoroughly enjoyed my time in Sosua probably as much as you enjoy your time there. My post is meant for first timers to have an idea what to expect, and my advice to them on how I think they should protect themselves and why. It is not the only way to do things, but it is my way of doing things. This will be my last comment on this topic.

I know that was your last comment, but I don't require a response from you on this. You said your post was meant for first timers. How they should protect themselves and why. Thats the part that escapes me. You indeed did tell us how you operate, and you mentioned that people should protect themselves. But what I didn't see is your explanation or perspective of why mongers, especially 1st timers should lock up or not bring their gadgets out? Especially since it's understood that crime is everywhere. What does a 1st timer lack that makes him more vulnerable than anybody else just because he is using a phone or laptop in a restaurant or at the beach? Thats the only reason I took the time to ask you those specific questions regarding wealth in ones face, to get feedback.

If you are going to suggest why, then it makes sense that folks know why, and not assume what you mean. I preferred to ask for feedback rather than speculate and possibly [CodeWord140] you off assuming too much. I guess the direct approach to obtaining feedback and exchanging perspectives is not your interest.

Just imagine how a newbie might feel, if he asks you for more feedback on why you feel a certain way, and you can't or won't tell him, but you tell him about your experiences. That is not exactly an answer to what the newbie asked. The thing about forums, is they are a golden opportunity for folks to engage in understanding multiple perspectives. Not merely stating how one does things, but to understand that perspective in it's entirety. Not just say well this is how I do things, and then clam up. In your learning process, you just might want to know how others got to the point of being comfortable with using their gadgets without feeling like you. Moreover, not every newbie will be uncomfortable with using their gadgets in public just because they are new. And BTW the comment about letting those that use their expensive phones, ipads and rolexs become targets doesn't sound like a helpful comment for newbies. Looks more like sarcasm towards fellow mongers just because they may operate unlike yourself. I'm just saying. My questions were rhetorical. A response is not necessary.

[Phuquer]

Everyone does Sosua (or any other place) differently. I stated how I do things, how I see things, and what some of my experiences were. I thoroughly enjoyed my time in Sosua probably as much as you enjoy your time there. My post is meant for first timers to have an idea what to expect, and my advice to them on how I think they should protect themselves and why. It is not the only way to do things, but it is my way of doing things. This will be my last comment on this topic.

[Mr Enternational]

Sorry, it sounded to me like the tone of her messages was intended to be ironic, given that you can hardly get anything for 1000 pesos in the DR-that is about 23 dollars. Is she really that grateful? Maybe I am wrong and she was sincere, in which case she is incredibly dumb too.

The newbie mistake is to engage a chica for all night if you don't know whether she is really into you. The commonest newbie complaint on these boards is that a chica was engaged for all night and then wants to split early. Possibly this could be avoided by asking her if should would prefer a 1000 peso quickie or a 1500 peso all nighter. Bottom line is that most of the chicas who live locally have children, so have sitters who have to be relieved. Is her daughter in Cabarete or Santiago?

She just hit me up again in whats app. So she must be interested in more than money, because as she has found out I don't come off of that very easily. In many threads you see guys saying to always take a girl for short time before you make a long time deal. My M. O. Is totally different.

Generally with hookers I only do long time, unless I'm in a brothel type situation. That being said, the most I have ever given a DR hooker was 2000 and the only time for that was a couple of nights ago. Last year or the year before I gave some chick 1800 for long time. Recently, I have been offering 1500 long time, and that is only due to "pressure" from you guys. Before that I was only paying 1000 long time. It doesn't make sense for me to do a short time before a long time with the same girl because I very seldom repeat with a hooker. If I wanted to repeat then I would do that with a regular girl I did not have to pay. I'm in P4P for the adventure and the variety. For familiarity I prefer non-pros.

[Wrx2005]

the things we take for granted (iphones, ipads, fancy watches, and expensive clothes) are much more difficult for the average dominican to get.

it may be true that those are difficult to get for some. but that is not "our" problem if it is. further, those things are not necessities to begin with. definitely not needed for a dominican to survive. so why should anyone else be concerned over the difficulty of dominicans unable to get those things?

the waitress at the place i have breakfast at in sosua sat down with me when she saw my iphone 5s and we started calculating. she said she would have to work 4 months without buying so much as a piece if chewing gum it be able to buy the 5s.

for the most part any local that feels the need to tell me their tale of woe in not being able to afford an iphone 5s, i wouldn't go too far entertaining that conversation. frankly it's not my concern if some local can't buy an iphone 5s. an iphone is not necessary for survival.

years back, i was married to a dominican and every time we visited her family in santiago her brother would beg and plead endlessly for me to leave him my sneakers, my jeans, my watch, my underwear, everything. my wife (at the time) asked me to leave as much as i could to him because it was easy for me to get the stuff back home, but it was difficult to impossible for him to get them in the dr. so i always returned home with an empty suitcase.

i dated a dominican from the us whose home town was in haina, never did any of her family or friends beg or ask anything from me or her when i visited. nor did any of them behave like or indicate that we were rubbing wealth in their faces just because we had nice things. if were talking basics here, sneakers, jeans, and underwear, those things are not impossible to get. now if you are talking about him being enamored with name brand or hard to get stuff, then i can see your point to a certain extent.

but then name brand or specialty clothing or watches arent necessities. i don't know how old the brother was, but if he was old enough he should have been encouraged to go out and find work, instead of begging. that is one of the things that is assbackwards with enough families now. people accepting complacency, laziness, encouraging and condoning begging. personally i wouldn't want no woman putting me on the spot like that with a begging relative, and me having to give up my own stuff that i brought for vacation. if my woman wants to do something for her brother, then we can talk about it. next time she can plan to bring a care package for him. if she wants to leave her own stuff behind thats on her. but i aint allowing no woman to put me on the spot just because her family is begging. he aint going to die if he don't get my stuff before i leave. he'll live. btw you must not have been too accepting of giving up your stuff, since he had to beg and plead endlessly for it? if you had no problem with it, all he would have had to do is ask, and you would willingly part with your stuff without him having to beg endlessly.

whenever i am in a place with a high rate of poverty and crime (usually where pussy is for sale at reasonable prices) , i try to keep a low profile. i don't rub my wealth in anybody's face. i let the guys with the ipads and iphones and rolex watches become the targets.

dominicans arent stupid. they know we arent from there. they know we paid hundreds of dollars for airfare, for our hotels and were spending hundreds of dollars on pussy and in places many dominicans don't go regularly to buy food and drink. they know you probably have a few hundred or even a few thousand dollars locked up in your safe in your spot. how exactly is anybody keeping a low profile with all of that going on? simply by not using an expensive phone, ipad, not wearing expensive jewelry etc. how are you letting somebody else become targets but you arent one yourself?

if anyone were to get with the wrong company, they will find out real quick. thieves may make you go in your safe ,take your iphone5s and your money. just ask the dude who was robbed at tradewinds a couple of months ago. and if you encounter individuals as poor as your ex brother in law, they will probably take your clothes too. they don't have to know what you got hidden in or out in the open. they readily assume because you arent from there that you have something valuable that they find valuable. one may think they are keeping a low profile. but like i said, dominicans aint stupid. the only reason a person may go unrep001hed while on vacation, isn't because he is keeping a low profile, or because dominicans are respecting him because he aint rubbing his wealth in somebodys face, it's because somebody with criminal intent just has not taken the initiative to go after you. one can get set up very easily if a thief is inclined, and the crime doesnt have to happen in a common place. it can happen anywhere.

my advice is sound and it works well for me. i don't suffer, i dress casual, and i don't feel any inconvenience when i travel. i advise people who are new to any area to leave the luxury gadgets (yes an iphone is a luxury gadget as 10 years ago there were no ipads or iphones yet business still took place) at home or locked in the hotel safe until they are comfortable with the area and can take a few more liberties. any other advise would be reckless.

i don't think there is anything wrong with that advice. my take isn't necessarily an advisement regarding if one should or shouldn't bring their gadgets. it was more of a testimony and an observation of what goes on every day in sosua and in the dr with individuals all over using their equipment in restaurants, on the beach, and anywhere they feel comfortable. and in doing so, it doesn't appear any of these folks are assuming they are rubbing wealth in anyones face. that seems to be entirely your own perspective/sensitivity on the issue. you are correct how you operate has worked for you. and at the same time, it apparently has worked for most people who are uninhibited with those concerns, and enjoy the use of their stuff without any problems with their safety or concern that they are rubbing wealth in anyones face.

[Frannie]

Man what the hell are you talking about? You are just talking out of your ass. I said in the report exactly what happened. 6am was the time I had to leave to drive to Santo Domingo to get my flight at noon, so of course that would be the time that I would want whatever girl until. When the girl said she had to go I gave her 1000 instead of the 1500 that we had initially agreed to. We traded what's app info because she is from Santiago and I am there more often than Sosua. You would think if she had a problem with me then she would not have contacted me of her own free will 8 hours after the fact and THANKED ME for the 1000, especially when she knew that I had already left Sosua. She never asked for more or even gave an initial figure. She left that all up to me. Even when she said she had to go and I asked how much she thought I needed to give her since she could not stay the entire time she did not give a figure. She said whatever I wanted to give her. The only thing extra she asked for was 100 for a motorbike taxi because I had given her a large bill so late at night. So where is the newbie mistake?

Sorry, it sounded to me like the tone of her messages was intended to be ironic, given that you can hardly get anything for 1000 pesos in the DR-that is about 23 dollars. Is she really that grateful? Maybe I am wrong and she was sincere, in which case she is incredibly dumb too.

The newbie mistake is to engage a chica for all night if you don't know whether she is really into you. The commonest newbie complaint on these boards is that a chica was engaged for all night and then wants to split early. Possibly this could be avoided by asking her if should would prefer a 1000 peso quickie or a 1500 peso all nighter. Bottom line is that most of the chicas who live locally have children, so have sitters who have to be relieved. Is her daughter in Cabarete or Santiago?

[Mr Enternational]

What didn't your girl like about Cabarete beach? I think the beach is beautiful! Clean sand and very few people hassling you! You can watch the people surf and kite surf. What was her complaint?

I don't know. You know how women are. She said she didn't like Sosua beach because of an incident that happened getting hurt on the rocks in the water when she was younger. Personally I like the water and sand at Sosua beach better. She said that next time she would take me to a beach somewhere near Imbert that is very beautiful. It must be a lake or something since Imbert is more inland. She said it has white sand, clear shallow water for a distance out, and you could see the fish swimming around your legs.

[Manizales911]

Yeah, well we all make newbie mistakes.

Mr. E, did you know that you were a newbie? Hahaha. Frannie, he would run circles around you in the mongering arena.

[Mr Enternational]

Yeah, well we all make newbie mistakes. Was it you or her who suggested 6:00 a. M? I will wager it was you and she just went along with it thinking to get the money shot first then renegotiate.

Or did it go like this?

You: "How about a fuck, babe. 1500 pesesitos is all I have left?"

She: "Sure thing, dude, but only if I can stay at least until 6."

Maybe she wanted to go back to the strip to find someone who paid better, or maybe she had to relieve a childminder by 6. Or get a child ready for school at 7. Who knows?

And how the hell did she get your cell number? You just picked her up in a bar.

Man what the hell are you talking about? You are just talking out of your ass. I said in the report exactly what happened. 6am was the time I had to leave to drive to Santo Domingo to get my flight at noon, so of course that would be the time that I would want whatever girl until. When the girl said she had to go I gave her 1000 instead of the 1500 that we had initially agreed to. We traded what's app info because she is from Santiago and I am there more often than Sosua. You would think if she had a problem with me then she would not have contacted me of her own free will 8 hours after the fact and THANKED ME for the 1000, especially when she knew that I had already left Sosua. She never asked for more or even gave an initial figure. She left that all up to me. Even when she said she had to go and I asked how much she thought I needed to give her since she could not stay the entire time she did not give a figure. She said whatever I wanted to give her. The only thing extra she asked for was 100 for a motorbike taxi because I had given her a large bill so late at night. So where is the newbie mistake?

[Bravo]

I.

We arrived in Cabarete and I parked the car across from ScotiaBank. We walked down the beach and she started saying how she didn't like it. I said I told you that Sosua beach was better but you refused to listen. We sat on some beach chairs and a guy came and collected 100 pesos each for using them. He asked if we wanted any food or drinks but we declined. My girl said that she didn't want to get into the water. I told her that if she didn't go put on her beach clothes immediately then we would have a problem. I drove all the way to Cabarete because she complained about Sosua and now doesn't want to put her beach clothes on in Cabarete either. She reluctantly went to change.

What didn't your girl like about Cabarete beach? I think the beach is beautiful! Clean sand and very few people hassling you! You can watch the people surf and kite surf. What was her complaint?

[Frannie]

After a few drinks at Rumba we went next door to D'Latin. After one drink I was ready to head off with a chick. Of course the price was right; 1500 pesos until 6am.

We took showers and got our freak on. After it was over the girl said she had to get home to her daughter. What the fuck? You told me that you would stay until 6. So how much am I supposed to give you now since you are not staying to entire time? She said it was up to me. I told her that I would give her 1000. That was fine with her. She came out of the bathroom all dolled up. I told her that it looked like she was going back out to the strip. She promised that she was not. I grabbed my pants and told her that I was going back out there then. (I really wasn't going. I was just testing her.) She asked for 100 pesos to take a motoconcho. I gave it to her since I knew they would not have change for the 1000 that I had just given her. After that I got a quick three hours of sleep and at 6:45am headed off to Santo Domingo.

When I got to the airport I received a what's app message saying, 'Feliz viaje precioso. ' I asked who is this? She responded, 'The one who was with you last night, Juli. The one that you only gave 1000 pesos crazy. ' I said, 'That is very good for only one hour isn't it? ' She said, 'Yes thank you amor. Especially since I really needed it. You can't imagine how God will bless you. ' I told her, 'And I needed you until 6am, but you wanted to look for somebody else. ' She said, 'I'm so sorry. I swear that was not the case. I have never spent the entire night outside of the house. ' Until next time Sosua.

Yeah, well we all make newbie mistakes. Was it you or her who suggested 6:00 a.m? I will wager it was you and she just went along with it thinking to get the money shot first then renegotiate.

Or did it go like this?

You: "How about a fuck, babe. 1500 pesesitos is all I have left?"

She: "Sure thing, dude, but only if I can stay at least until 6."

Maybe she wanted to go back to the strip to find someone who paid better, or maybe she had to relieve a childminder by 6. Or get a child ready for school at 7. Who knows?

And how the hell did she get your cell number? You just picked her up in a bar.

[Mr Enternational]

When I got to my girl's house in Puerto Plata I gave Tomjackin a call. He said that he and RonnyRon were sitting in the hotel restaurant. I told him that I would be there in 30 minutes. He said hurry the fuck up then. When I got there we chatted for a while then walked up to Rumba. I was having fun fucking with chicks any way that I could as usual. I met some chick who was from Santo Domingo and said she was going back tomorrow. I told her that I would be driving to Santo Domingo in the morning at 6 and that she could ride with me if she wanted. She told her wingwoman, but the wingwoman made a face like she didn't want to leave that early. Shit, it was a free ride and they could have slept on the way since I would be doing all the driving. We exchanged information but when I called her this morning she did not answer, so I left without her.

After a few drinks at Rumba we went next door to D'Latin. After one drink I was ready to head off with a chick. Of course the price was right; 1500 pesos until 6am. I drove past Ollie's to get a sandwich but it was not opened, so I stopped by the place next to Four Roses and got three pieces of chicken for 100 pesos. The girl I took lives in Cabarete, and since I didn't have a hotel I decided to hit up Dulce Secreto again. WTF? It was full. We didn't know where to go. We ended up asking a motoconcho driver across from Texaco if he knew of any place.

I followed him to Casa Angela. The guy there said the room would be $40. I told him I would only be there four hours. He said it didn't matter. I slipped the moto guy 50 pesos, but he still stuck around leading me to believe he was waiting for a commission. The room was nice (with the second best shower of the trip) and there was a pool on the premises. I may stay there next time I am in Sosua. We took showers and got our freak on. After it was over the girl said she had to get home to her daughter. What the fuck? You told me that you would stay until 6. So how much am I supposed to give you now since you are not staying to entire time? She said it was up to me. I told her that I would give her 1000. That was fine with her. She came out of the bathroom all dolled up. I told her that it looked like she was going back out to the strip. She promised that she was not. I grabbed my pants and told her that I was going back out there then. (I really wasn't going. I was just testing her.) She asked for 100 pesos to take a motoconcho. I gave it to her since I knew they would not have change for the 1000 that I had just given her. After that I got a quick three hours of sleep and at 6:45am headed off to Santo Domingo.

When I got to the airport I received a what's app message saying, 'Feliz viaje precioso. ' I asked who is this? She responded, 'The one who was with you last night, Juli. The one that you only gave 1000 pesos crazy. ' I said, 'That is very good for only one hour isn't it? ' She said, 'Yes thank you amor. Especially since I really needed it. You can't imagine how God will bless you. ' I told her, 'And I needed you until 6am, but you wanted to look for somebody else. ' She said, 'I'm so sorry. I swear that was not the case. I have never spent the entire night outside of the house. ' Until next time Sosua.

[Mr Enternational]

I pulled up at Sosua beach and my girl protested. She wanted to go to Cabarete instead. I said this beach is good so we will go here. We walked down to Big D's and I had the rib / chicken combo and we both had pina coladas in the pineapple, hers without alcohol. There were some guys planning a big party the next day and were getting Big D to cater it. My girl said she was not going to get in the water at Sosua beach because she does not like it. When I finished eating I decided to take her to Cabarete.

As we walked back down the beach on the way to the car, we passed another aunt / niece combo that I met the night before. (Their pictures are included in the ones I already posted.) I was seriously thinking about taking the aunt that night, but some guy came into Rumba who she said was her good friend and she was going over to talk to him for a while. They had on the same clothes as the night before. I put my arm around my girl and tried to avoid eye contact with them, hoping they didn't speak to me as we passed each other.

We arrived in Cabarete and I parked the car across from ScotiaBank. We walked down the beach and she started saying how she didn't like it. I said I told you that Sosua beach was better but you refused to listen. We sat on some beach chairs and a guy came and collected 100 pesos each for using them. He asked if we wanted any food or drinks but we declined. My girl said that she didn't want to get into the water. I told her that if she didn't go put on her beach clothes immediately then we would have a problem. I drove all the way to Cabarete because she complained about Sosua and now doesn't want to put her beach clothes on in Cabarete either. She reluctantly went to change.

The kite boarding looked very interesting so I stopped at the shop to inquire about learning. The lady told me that lesson were $50 / hour and it takes most 6 hours to learn at a rate of 2 hours / day. I'm definitely considering signing up next time.

On our way out to Cabarete we saw the signs for Dulce Secreto cabana. We decided to stop there on our way back through Sosua. We took the 600 peso room. I'm not sure how much time you have for that amount. At most cabanas that I have been to the normal time is 4 hours. To me, Dulce Secreto is one of the best cabanas that I have been in, better than many DR hotels even. It was clean and modern and I didn't even have to wait for the hot water to warm up. It was definitely the best shower that I had in Santo Domingo, Santiago, and Sosua during my six day trip. I will post the pictures in the Sosua Hotel thread.