Hong Kong Club Reports

[Tinny2000]

Great! They should know: no service no money; no good service, no tips.

You got a good point. I will start telling them in the club, no clock watching and need at least 40 minutes. Take it or leave it.

They do change often though when they get in the room. Last December a girl promised BBBJ and in the room she wanted $30 extra for it. I handed her $5, opened the door and asked her to leave. Oh no, she wanted the $100. So she called HK security. 5 dudes who know me came huffing and puffing. They waited outside with the door opened until the big Jefe arrived. He talked to us, understood what happened and he told her since she gave no service and got $5 for her troubles she should leave the room. When I saw an argument ensued between the two, I handed her another $5 to shut her up. Now even the security guys were giving her the evil eye. She left when she sensed what was going to happen if she didn't.

[HK Monger]

Appreciate your post, thanks. Agree with some of your points, in particular not wanting to waste my time interacting with other dudes, avoiding meseros as much as I can, and prefering to sit with chicas in the back (or upstairs) a way from the main stage where it's usually more relaxing an chill.

However, I do think you make several assumptions about the chicas which aren't necessarily true. "Amateurs always better than pros", the things against girls with glasses or who speak English too well because it shows they've been there too long, etc. At least in my experience, one of my regular chicas who speaks English very well has been there for a long time but the other two are relatively new and told me they speak and write English because of their education (both have college degrees and learned English over the years through their schooling). To each his own as far as preferences, though again it did seem (IMO) that some of your preferences were predicated on bad assumptions.

Also re: your last point, I think it's just wiser to always negotiate the price up front prior to arriba. I think you will eventually run into a problem if you're not agreeing to a price upfront. Same with the "you can pretty much run the table with these girls" comment, LOL. In a way reminds me of Trump's "Grab 'them by the pussy. You can do anything. " remark from back in the day. It's a foolhardy assumption IMO and you're setting yourself up for trouble if you go arriba with that attitude with the wrong chica.

Of course nothing is ever 100% true. I'm sure there are some great girls that wear glasses and speak perfect english that I have missed out on. But we all have our idiosyncrasies.

I'm not really that much of a fan of HK, per se. At this point in my life, I'm not that interested in just having a quickie in the room. When I was younger, I just wanted variety and volume, but I have kind of "graduated" from that level. Now I go there to build connections with a few girls, and then I stop going. I've found that if you build a connection with just one girl, it opens up a whole different world. I had that before, but then I had a long absence (read long term relationship), so I'm just getting back into the game. The problem is finding the right girl, who is willing to mix business and pleasure. So right now I'm in the phase of going to HK frequently to make that connection (I live about an hour away from Tijuana). And yes, in the process I will have some quickies in the room, of course.

So this is my main issue with the pros vs amateurs. Pro's are girls who have been working regularly there for a while. They are always there, punching the clock. The problem with these girls, from my perspective, is that they fall into one of two categories. In the first category are the girls that like the lifestyle more than they like men. Men are somewhat secondary in their lives, if they are even present. In the second category are the women who are chained to the lifestyle through some family circumstance. They have little freedom, and a lot of obligations. So, while some of them can be personable and accommodating, you can never make that much inroads with them, it seems. Everything is kept on a "business" level, in other words. Amateurs, on the other hand, don't like the lifestyle. They tend to be younger and / or freer. They go there infrequently, and only earn enough to satisfy their immediate needs before heading back home. They are less business-like, and most importantly, more willing to see you outside the club. At least, this has been my experience.

As far as seeing girls outside the club. It's also important that the girl likes you on some level and wants to do stuff with you as opposed to just trying to get money off you. You can usually tell. As long as they don't ask me for money, I will be generous with them. Call me crazy, but I actually like spending money on women, as long as it fits my budget (I'm not rich, but I'm not poor ether. I have enough disposable income where the money isn't really that big of a deal to me.). Money gives you leverage and power when dealing with women. I don't like it when women can totally dictate the terms of the relationship, which is why I have never engaged in those friends with benefits style relationships. A man needs to pay, IMHO! That being said, you also need to bring something else to the table besides money, or you are just a sugar-daddy.

You may ask: Why try to pick up prostitutes in HK? Why not go to a normal club on revolution or something?

In my situation, a big reason is I just cannot get down there on the weekend, so HK is about the only place to go.

It's just a bit trickier to do it in regular clubs, especially as an American with "limited" spanish.

Also, girls in these clubs can be pros too, sometimes just in other ways. Really, in poorer countries, a non-pro is just another name for an ugly girl.

I like bad girls. Probably not the best thing to like, but oh well. I can't imaging trying to meet a girl at a bible study or something. I can't be with someone who is too sexually or socially conservative. They have to like sex and be open minded.

HK girls can be wild and crazy, and know how to party. They have this live for the day attitude which I find appealing. Of course, they can be crazy in a bad way too, but that's a story for another time.

As for the other point, If you want to set a price up front and negotiate before going to the room, that's fine and probably safer than my method. But. There is also more payoff to my method, as I will explain later. BTW, I don't believe there is a sure fire way to prevent striking out in the room. No matter what you do there is always the risk factor with a new girl.

These are my last three sessions, in order. They happened on different dates. I'm a low volume guy at this point and pretty selective, so sometimes I will go the the club without taking a girl up at all, or I will just go with one girl. (I'm not a guy who likes to kiss and tell so I'm not going to say names, or exact services provided.).

1) Strike out: This girl spoke good english (see. Already a bad sign, but no, she did not wear glasses) I asked her how she came to speak english and she said from her job managing a timeshare in playa del carmen, or something like that. I though that was plausible. She seemed to have a shtick (major red flag), when it came to dealing with customers, of immediately trying to grind on their lap. I really wasn't into the lap dances, though, and she kept doing it, which was kind of awkward. Really, at this point I was still like a newb after not having been in the game for over 4 years. My spidey-sense wasn't working, so I ignored all the warning signs. The main thing was that I potentially thought she could be freaky in bed, so I said, "hey, let's go to the room. " She quoted me $100. I said "OK". I did not have my own room on this visit, so we went to the exorbitantly priced short term room. I think the room manager may have actually laughed in my face as I handed over my life savings for 20 minutes in this small, cramped, dingy, hooker room. When, we got to the room, she immediately asked for the money and I obliged like an idiot. Well, once she got the money, the rules started coming out. "None of this" and "I don't do that". I was about to ask for my money back, but I wasn't really in the mood for a confrontation, so I just went with it. We got down to business but it was just that: all business. A boring session with basically no chemistry.

After this, I realized that I needed to up my game a little bit. This was my second strikeout and I was worried that HK had really started to suck. But maybe I just need a different approach. I bought the VIP card with the intention of getting my own room next time. Not only that, I would get the room at RIzo instead of HK. This would accomplish several things. First, it would remove the time constraint to some degree. Thus far, no one has come knocking on my room at Rizo. Second, it would remove the girls from their element, into a basically neutral site. This would shift the balance of power in my direction. Third, I would be getting away from those greedy HK fuckers, and going over to Rizo, where they are basically totally clueless about running a business (which is why it smells so bad in Tropical) but not as greedy. And yes, people, I know they are run by the same group.

My spidey-sense was starting to kick in at this point as well. My next two sessions would be home runs, as I will talk about in the next part. Need to sleep for now.

[TjBrazil]

Exactly TjBrazil, give us the address of a place like a Hong Kong club (strip club, hotel, brothel, restaurant, sports bar, (with legal prostitution) open 24/7 in the state of California or the USA. But not in the state of Nevada because it is too expensive.

Well speaking from a guy in his 50's now with a 200 testosterone level, Save the money you would spend in HK and go to Brazil 3 times a year for 10 days. When you get back, your sperm will be drained and you should be good until your next trip in 4 months. At this point, I have no desire to really bang anybody while I'm waiting four months. Mongering everywhere is really on the decline, even Brazil, but it's still way better than HK the clip joint.

[StRobert]

Where else do you recommend that is close to USA?

Exactly TjBrazil, give us the address of a place like a Hong Kong club (strip club, hotel, brothel, restaurant, sports bar, (with legal prostitution) open 24/7 in the state of California or the USA. But not in the state of Nevada because it is too expensive.

[Zenduka1]

Damn. You barebacked the chica in her ass when she was drunk and not feeling well. That's not right dude.

I am nice and caring in that way. I used to have a girlfriend who used to call and tell me, baby I am having a bad headache, come and fuck me.

[ABAJoeSmith123]

I was with a slender, tall 25-year-old in my room. She reached out around 5 AM, claiming she had finished her shift and wanted to spend the morning together. A security personnel escorted her to my room, and I tipped him $5 to allow her in. After a shower, I started humping her BB with her squelching panocha in a bliss.

Suddenly, she made a gurgling sound, pushed me away, and stumbled towards the bathroom. The intensity of her vomiting was unmistakable. I gave her a glass of water and a damp towel for wipe, I cleaned up some vomit on the bathroom floor, told her to sit up, placing a cold wet towel on her forehead. Unfortunately, she experienced another round of intense vomiting and even had a minor seizure, with her hands trembling.

Concerned, I hastily dressed her, and as I called the lobby for assistance, a swarm of about 10 individuals, some from Rizo and others from HK, gathered at my door. Initially, it seemed like they were ready to pounce on me, but tensions eased when they were informed (unknown to me) that she had been extremely intoxicated when escorted to my room by the security personnel earlier and also when she told them she was asthmatic and did not have her inhaler.

I placed my spare pair of footies on her bare feet, placed her shoes in a plastic bag, dropped her $100 to her purse, all while under the watchful eyes of all that pile of security. I was genuinely concerned as they carried her and her things away into a Taxi to transport her to a hospital.

Damn. You barebacked the chica in her ass when she was drunk and not feeling well. That's not right dude.

[Zenduka1]

Appreciate your post, thanks. Agree with some of your points, in particular not wanting to waste my time interacting with other dudes, avoiding meseros as much as I can, and prefering to sit with chicas in the back (or upstairs) a way from the main stage where it's usually more relaxing an chill.

However, I do think you make several assumptions about the chicas which aren't necessarily true. "Amateurs always better than pros", the things against girls with glasses or who speak English too well because it shows they've been there too long, etc. At least in my experience, one of my regular chicas who speaks English very well has been there for a long time but the other two are relatively new and told me they speak and write English because of their education (both have college degrees and learned English over the years through their schooling). To each his own as far as preferences, though again it did seem (IMO) that some of your preferences were predicated on bad assumptions.

Also re: your last point, I think it's just wiser to always negotiate the price up front prior to arriba. I think you will eventually run into a problem if you're not agreeing to a price upfront. Same with the "you can pretty much run the table with these girls" comment, LOL. In a way reminds me of Trump's "Grab 'them by the pussy. You can do anything. " remark from back in the day. It's a foolhardy assumption IMO and you're setting yourself up for trouble if you go arriba with that attitude with the wrong chica.

The issue he has with girls in glasses is random. However I made mental note to verify it out in the future. I just checked all my contact's pics most don't wear glasses. There are two and they are both cool. I remember one girl in glasses I hate to this day.

I noticed girls who can speak English well are a bit aggressive, a bit demanding and think they are better for it. Where in reality speaking in English with the girls turn me off. In Spanish for some reason I fall in that sexual mojo. I usually decline to speak in English with the girls or anyone else unless I am chatting with other mongers.

Not discussing pricing while in the club is an invitation to disaster.

Throwing money at the girls doesn't buy you the best service. Not at all. She would take your money but what buys you the best service is where she is feeling wise at the moment of interaction and whether a good sentiment continues in the room until the end. There is a number of things that affect this which some are under the monger's control and others have nothing to do with one.

I put a list below that affect a good session. Please do not read if too tedious but I decided to list it out. With experience one can identify general positivity and negativity in just a minute or two. That is what I do and the frequent bad sessions I used to get before 5 years ago now became extremely rare. Sorry to disagree with those who believe money talks and you pay and get served. Not true. There is a difference between screwing a pretty but senseless and irritated manikin vs warm, wet, turned on human female.

Here are some things to note.

- Does she like your appearance, physically.

- Does your level of cleanliness affect her (positive or negative) do you have bad body odor, bad smelling breath, dirty clothing and shoes, etc.

- Are you relaxed or uptight, are you nervous or confident, are you playful or intense, are you too horny. Do you grope her too much.

- Are you too drunk.

- Did she see you chatting with other girls and those girls were smiling when they walk away from you.

- Do you address her friends too or ignore them.

- Do you pay her the standard or just a bit above the standard (or promise her propina based on her service) or do you come off too stingy (elbow rub).

- Did she take you as fool (or wannabe imposter) spraying money buying over the top priced drinks in the club.

- Are you a regular and do you have a good reputation.

- In the room does she like how you do her, can you follow her body language and adjust (without asking).

Etc. Etc. Etc.

Here is a list to note things out of a monger's control.

Is she having a bad day?

In the moment, is she mad, depressed or content and lively due to something that took place in her life.

Is she sick, physically hurt, (like an ill fitting shoes causing her pain in her feet, etc.).

Is she having an issue with management.

Is she generally an open person or closed.

Etc. Etc. Etc.

[BrotherMouzone]

Part I: The Club.

This is the opposite of me. I don't negotiate anything. It just kills the vibe to say, "I want x and why and you better be like z" as though you were ordering a pizza or something. I'll take my chances with a bad experience if I have to, but I don't negotiate.

I always go alone (except when I've gone with girlfriends from Tijuana). Other dudes would just get in the way and slow me down. I'm there to meet women, not dudes. There are many places in Tijuana to party and get drunk, so It's not my thing to do that in HK.

I try to look for newer girls. This is the one sport where amateurs are always better than pros. I like them skinny with a natural body. No plastic. Not too tiny. Not too much of a doll face. I like girls that are "off-pretty" in the face, or that have a face that has character. I have a thing against girls wearing glasses. These girls either want to be "taken seriously" or "create a barrier" (or they are a lesbian). None of these is a good thing. I don't like girls that wear to much: again, creating a barrier. I don't mind a few tats, but if you are covered in tats, that's a big red flag. I don't like girls that look mean. A lot of these girls walk around pouting the whole night, looking like death warmed over. Even if they are hot, these types are just not approachable, IMO. A girl needs to show some warmth, and look like she is at least having a little bit of fun. I like them maybe a little bit shy, not overly confident. I look for traits that indicate she will be more submissive and willing in the room.

At some point I will just approach a girl and ask her if she want's to come join me at a table. I never ask a waiter to call a girl over. In fact, I avoid waiters whenever possible. Mostly, I just roam the club during the course of the evening. I rarely even sit down because I don't like being approached by either waiters or girls (its just not in a young attractive woman's DNA to approach any male, so you tend to get the older, desperate ones coming up to you! I might sit down later when the club cools down a bit and there are more empty seats.

I like to sit with the girls near the back where it's more chill. I don't like the areas near the main stage where the show-offs are buying their 10 bottles of overpriced Patron. I usually have just a few drinks with a girl before deciding whether to go to the room. I feel like, if you want to socialize with her all night, you should just get her number and ask her to do something with you outside the club. If she speaks English too well, she's been working there to long. If her voice is too deep or sounds haggard, she's been working there too long. If she's too pushy, it's off. If she seems nice and humble, it's on. I speak a little Spanish, or at least can understand what they say. I try to keep the topics upbeat. I like to find out a little about their lives. If they are from Tijuana, what they do for fun, etc.

I don't necessarily try to grope the girls, or kiss them. I find that that really isn't a good indicator of what is too come. If I'm getting good signals, I will invite them to come with me to the room. I don't ask the price, nor do I say what I will pay. It's Ok if they quote a price at that time, unless it is too high, then I might balk or might say I only have this much. What I have found though, is that the girls, a lot of time, will just go with no mention of price. What I'm about to say may sound arrogant, but I can attest that it is true. If you are a decent looking white guy, intelligent, but not a nerd, you can pretty much run the table with these girls. For a lot of these girls, it's an ego boost for them to be with you. Because you are perceived as both high status and exotic, it's like a natural aphrodisiac for these women. So I have found that majority of the girls want to have sex anyway, and I kind of view any money exchanged as simply the social lubricant that makes nature take its course faster.

Appreciate your post, thanks. Agree with some of your points, in particular not wanting to waste my time interacting with other dudes, avoiding meseros as much as I can, and prefering to sit with chicas in the back (or upstairs) a way from the main stage where it's usually more relaxing an chill.

However, I do think you make several assumptions about the chicas which aren't necessarily true. "Amateurs always better than pros", the things against girls with glasses or who speak English too well because it shows they've been there too long, etc. At least in my experience, one of my regular chicas who speaks English very well has been there for a long time but the other two are relatively new and told me they speak and write English because of their education (both have college degrees and learned English over the years through their schooling). To each his own as far as preferences, though again it did seem (IMO) that some of your preferences were predicated on bad assumptions.

Also re: your last point, I think it's just wiser to always negotiate the price up front prior to arriba. I think you will eventually run into a problem if you're not agreeing to a price upfront. Same with the "you can pretty much run the table with these girls" comment, LOL. In a way reminds me of Trump's "Grab 'them by the pussy. You can do anything. " remark from back in the day. It's a foolhardy assumption IMO and you're setting yourself up for trouble if you go arriba with that attitude with the wrong chica.

[TerOnlyOnce]

Why you guys keep putting up with this place is beyond me. HK is horrible. I told you it's non stop scams.

Where else do you recommend that is close to USA?

[Dogers69]

Why you guys keep putting up with this place is beyond me. HK is horrible. I told you it's non stop scams.

My only conclusion on why guys put up with this place is because they are typically older or less attractive men and theirfore conditioned to no sex, or just want that 5 minute CBJ and 5 minutes of sex anyway. They aren't 25 year old guys banging woman left and right for an hour 4 nights a week in the states. So the crap sex is actually what they prefer. And they feel grateful for any sex. And most are very afraid of being arrested for sex in their own city or cpuntry. And most only go 2 to 6 nights a year. It's the guys who were going every week that got sick of the changes from hk and its hotel that began shortly before covid and Co tinge to get worse every few months.

[TjBrazil]

You got a good point. I will start telling them in the club, no clock watching and need at least 40 minutes. Take it or leave it.

They do change often though when they get in the room. Last December a girl promised BBBJ and in the room she wanted $30 extra for it. I handed her $5, opened the door and asked her to leave. Oh no, she wanted the $100. So she called HK security. 5 dudes who know me came huffing and puffing. They waited outside with the door opened until the big Jefe arrived. He talked to us, understood what happened and he told her since she gave no service and got $5 for her troubles she should leave the room. When I saw an argument ensued between the two, I handed her another $5 to shut her up. Now even the security guys were giving her the evil eye. She left when she sensed what was going to happen if she didn't.

Why you guys keep putting up with this place is beyond me. HK is horrible. I told you it's non stop scams.

[Phordphan]

I say this all the time. Not in relation to HK, but in life. It's a truism. When you're spending money, you have all the power until you agree to hand over the money. That's when negotiations cease. So a big trick in life is to make it seem normal that money doesn't exchange hands. I'm saying you don't hold it out and dangle it. You just casually keep the conversation in that middle ground where you need to be convinced still. Try this next time you pay someone directly for something. Including vagina.

El mariachi pagado toca mal son. All Mexicans know this phrase. Learn it, love it, live it!

[LuvMexicanas]

I say this all the time. Not in relation to HK, but in life. It's a truism. When you're spending money, you have all the power until you agree to hand over the money. That's when negotiations cease. So a big trick in life is to make it seem normal that money doesn't exchange hands. I'm saying you don't hold it out and dangle it. You just casually keep the conversation in that middle ground where you need to be convinced still. Try this next time you pay someone directly for something. Including vagina.

"Deserve's got nothing to do with it" In life, you don't get what you deserve, you get what you negotiate.

[Zenduka1]

I was with a slender, tall 25-year-old in my room. She reached out around 5 AM, claiming she had finished her shift and wanted to spend the morning together. A security personnel escorted her to my room, and I tipped him $5 to allow her in. After a shower, I started humping her BB with her squelching panocha in a bliss.

Suddenly, she made a gurgling sound, pushed me away, and stumbled towards the bathroom. The intensity of her vomiting was unmistakable. I gave her a glass of water and a damp towel for wipe, I cleaned up some vomit on the bathroom floor, told her to sit up, placing a cold wet towel on her forehead. Unfortunately, she experienced another round of intense vomiting and even had a minor seizure, with her hands trembling.

Concerned, I hastily dressed her, and as I called the lobby for assistance, a swarm of about 10 individuals, some from Rizo and others from HK, gathered at my door. Initially, it seemed like they were ready to pounce on me, but tensions eased when they were informed (unknown to me) that she had been extremely intoxicated when escorted to my room by the security personnel earlier and also when she told them she was asthmatic and did not have her inhaler.

I placed my spare pair of footies on her bare feet, placed her shoes in a plastic bag, dropped her $100 to her purse, all while under the watchful eyes of all that pile of security. I was genuinely concerned as they carried her and her things away into a Taxi to transport her to a hospital.

[Zenduka1]

If she switches anything up in room in a way that is clearly underhanded then just tell her to leave, do not give any money. Say there is misunderstanding and not what was agreed upon and you want to call it off. Don't fight it or anything, just don't give money. If this is in your room and you need to stay there, then just wait until she leaves or security comes. It doesn't matter what you do honestly, just do not pay any money under any circumstance LOL unless of course she is trying to threaten you or hurt you, if that were to happen though you should report it here and report it to management.

They Jefe definitely would have forced for her to be compensated for exiting HK and walking to the room. Did not want to wait until he said it. The room was mine paid for 3 nights.