Hong Kong Club Reports

[Captain Solo]

For a first timer who could not find the border to Mexico, Monkey had very good times with a few HK girls, close to GFEs, and wrote a very good detailed reports.

He's probably an accountant to be able to keep track of all those expenses. While the GFE's may be priceless, and he did tip the chicas generously, averaging $400 a day is high in Tijuana. For that much money he could have a few serious GF's in Tijuana. He's the kind of guys Tijuana loves to bring to La Zona. But that is still a lot less than going to South America or Asia, and close enough that US guys can go more frequently.

He found some good female companies both in and out of bed in his first trip. Tijuana chicas tend to be less mercenary, and over all more personable, than girls in other mongering locations. I know a few guys who got suckered in by the chicas' beauty, charms and sweet personalities, settled down with some very hot young chicas, having babies and raising families in Tijuana. There is a social group of a few young bi-national families who hang out together.

Glad that Monkey had such a good time in his first trip.

Hola amigos,

I was very generous with the tipping and in retrospect if I wanted to be pretty stingy (plus not treat people out to nice meals), I could have shaved 4000-5000 pesos easy off this trip FYI.

Total spent was around $1500.

[ADObserver1]

Hey,

Sorry for a newbie question. What's the deal for the backroom / VIP room? On my first trip a girl offered me a $20 blow job. Was that a backroom deal? Do they charge for going back there? Planning a trip and thought it best to educate myself a bit more (and, sorry, looked through old posts but couldn't find any info).

[The Tall Man]

Hola amigos,

Thanks for all the help in answering my questions for the recent trip. Here's a trip report that hopefully can illuminate some of my experiences, with a pretty detailed budget that I recorded. Feel free to rag on me on things you think I could have done better, saved more $ here, etc. Open to and welcome all criticisms. Vamonos:

First international trip for mongering and first time in Tijuana, though I'd been to other parts of MX before + countries in South America. Speak pretty decent Spanish.

Thursday:

Drove down from LA to San Ysidro last Thursday AM. Tons of accidents, took me about 4 hours. Found the lot at the motel next to the Burger King (680 East San Ysidro, San Ysidro, CA) with a stellar rate of $6/24 hours as mentioned here previously. Since I hadn't decided if I was going to return on Saturday or Sunday, I only paid for two days and they told me to pay the rest when I returned. It was a good thing as when I came back on Sunday, there was a chain around my tire that they removed when I paid the remaining $12, which I like as an extra deterrent for thieves. Seemed pretty secure / safe overall, my car was fine when I got back.

Found the casa de cambio near the Subway and exchanged $1500 US into pesos, total cost me $42 in exchange rate conversion. Also had $200 in US currency with me, mainly $1, $5, $10 denomination. Got totally lost trying to find the border so I ended up using a cab (I'm so dumb) to get there. Crossed the border with no wait. Then took a cab from border to HK, felt like I overpaid a bit + was too tired to try to figure out how to use the print-out HK coupon about the free border service given I didn't have a MX phone and they didn't respond to my email the day prior about trying to set it up.

Arrive at HK, pay 800 pesos for VIP card, which is only $43 though it's advertised as costing $50. This is a common theme as others have mentioned. There is not ONE instance during my entire time where US dollars would be beneficial: not with any food I purchased, escort agencies, BGs, hotel stays, buying supplies, NADA. Feel free to educate me as to why I should have dollars at all while in Tijuana. The only thing I can think of is it's handy to have $1 bills to tip people with at the clubs.

VIP card totally worth it for me given my hotel savings. Plus a free drink + discounted lap dance at HK every 12 hours, free border pick / up drop off that I used later on without a hitch (though I've heard stories), etc.

Cross the street to check into my room at Hotel Rizo de Oro. Though a Master Suite (single) + hot tub wasn't available when I inquired by email, they said one was when I arrived, at least for 1, possibly 2 nights. That's another point. Reservations seemed kinda "fluid" and me taking the time to get to know the staff well helped me secure the same room for a second night even though it was booked under someone else's name (sorry dude if you're reading this) and they offered it to me for my third night, but I changed rooms for reasons I'll say later on.

Very pleased with Hotel Rizo de Oro, though I can only compare it to Cascadas (a BG I ended up spending OTC with showed me around Cascadas). Feel it is comparatively quieter, for sure cheaper, felt clean and safe, hot water, functioning AC unit, I made sure my room had a functioning safe, very reliable and fast wifi (enough for me to stream movies with), HK VIP discount applies (20% off all days except Monday / Tuesday with 80% off), and I had NO problem bringing HK BGs to my room.

Paid $10 US x 2 deposit for remotes to the TV and AC unit, got it all back at end of stay with no problem. Paid 1824 pesos for this first night (which also included the $50 US room deposit since I had a Master Suite). One of the hotel staff brought me a bucket to use as a cooler and filled it with ice for me.

Unpacked and went to the Oxxo 30 seconds to the left of Rizo de Oro to purchase some beverages (EtOH + non-EtOH), snacks, something small to eat, forget what else. Came back to my room to shower / freshen up and set up a nice incall (I mean, that's what we're dong right, haha) - music on my iPad, clean towel on the bed, my room had pretty nice lighting settings, drinks in the ice bucket, etc.

At 4 pm an escort from CuminTJ comes to my room and knocks on the door (I arranged this the day prior). Celedonia (has a * profile) - doesn't have blond hair like the pics anymore, but still pretty good looking and I had a solid time with good GFE and MSOG - 8/8 for looks / performance. Ends up spending an extra 15-20 minutes with me, which was nice, not a clock watcher. Rate was $125 US / HR, but I paid in pesos for 2250 (again the savings) and tipped 250 pesos.

Shower / freshen up afterwards (common theme after EVERY session I had). Relax in my room for a bit, then I head out to HK. On the way, meet a random gringo who invites me to have a drink with him and his local friend, Mario. We go to Adelitas and have a pretty good time talking, drinking a bit, and getting to know each other. His friend Mario is kinda a sketchy character who turned out to be a drug dealer, among other things. Won't go into all the details, but while I had a good time with him for a bit, I cut ties as I didn't want to get messed up in any LE issues, etc.

As a trio, we check out Adelitas, Tropical Bar, Chavelas, some tiny place I don't even remember that had little going on, then finally HK. Enjoy HK for a bit, it's Thursday evening by this point. See a lady that kinda resembles Rose Byrne from a movie I saw and invite her for a drink. Name is Carola?. Have a good time chatting, clarify what I want out of the session as has been emphasized to me, then offer a rate of 1300 pesos, which she accepts. Head back to my room in Rizo de Oro and have a solid time from a 8-9/8 provider, no clock watching nor rush at all. In total from cover fees, drinks, tipping people, etc. Probably spend an additional $50-$60 US that night. Night ends with some delicious street tacos for 58 pesos, trumps the ones I love in LA.

Brief comment: throughout my entire time in Tijuana, I didn't see any 10's. Very few 9's (and if there were, I'd jump right on them), prolly a decent number of 7/8's. Best looking ladies at HK, IMO. That being said, I'm a picky dude overall I think, haha.

Friday:

Woke up late, then paid for the second night of my Master Suite at weekend rate (1472 pesos). Walk around the surrounding area to get some more street tacos, purchase some souvenirs (mainly from places along Avenida Revolucion), and some Viagra (299 pesos for 10 pills, 50 MG each).

Shower / fresh-up, then hit HK again. After scoping out the place for a bit, see a good looking blonde named Tracy or Nicole (I forget) and she seems nice enough. Buy her a drink, then tell her of my desire for a threesome with one of her friends or a girl she recommends. For the next 5-10 minutes, the mesero and Tracy / Nicole bring girl after girl to our table where I check her out, talk very briefly in Spanish with them, but ultimately turn her away. Tracy / Nicole laughs and mentions how picky I am, but I stand firm. Finally another good looking blonde is brought to me and I say yes. We negotiate the rate and what I want to do for an hour (use the hot tub, etc), comes out to 5000 pesos, which is the upper limit of what I was willing to pay, but ultimately give in thinking these are good looking blondes (8-9 for looks) and it's Friday early evening by this point.

Cross the street to get to my hotel room and regret not setting up the hot tub sooner cause it took forever. We start kissing and fondling each other, eventually move to the hot tub / bubble bath where this continues, then back to the bed where we do a variety of sex positions between the three of us. It was pretty fun (and VERY tiring), but I will say that their service was really only a 7 in my book and they did seem kinda mechanical with me and with each other. They were also clock watchers and wanted me to finish up early even though there definitely was more time available. That being said, I enjoyed it, though refused to give them a tip at the end of the session despite their inquiries, which is also a red flag for me.

As a side note, a monger I met later on (nice dude, ended up giving him a ride back to LA), told me how that same day he got a threesome with two good looking BGs from Tropical Bar for 1100 pesos total . He said the girls were getting off their shift so were kinda tired, hadn't gotten much business, thought he was good-looking and wanted some fun. Pretty good at reading people, so don't feel he was BSing me. Yeah, I guess YMMV.

Afterwards, get some street tacos, meet a friendly dude and we chat for a bit given he knows the area well. He takes me to Dulce Gabbana nearby, which is like super dead. Then to Adelitas where he finds a girl and takes off. Don't see anyone I like there, loving the Comic-Con costumes though.

Late Friday night, I see this attractive spinner at HK who I know I have to see. Resembles the P.S. Melanie Rios, who I have a major thing for. Bummed as she's headed out the door with some lucky bastard, but they end up not leaving together, not sure what happened there. I immediately beeline my way towards her and offer to buy her a drink. She smiles and accepts, just as the original dude from a few seconds ago + some other random dude try to get her attention. Grab a table, buy her a drink. And we chat for a while. Our chemistry is off the charts, very flirty and fun and just super hot. Ask her to go to my room while clarifying what I want, she happily accepts. Offered her a rate of 1200 pesos thinking that'd be way too low for a seemingly popular hottie during a peak time on the weekend, but to my surprise she accepted.

In my room, let's just say I had a rockstar time with her. The chemistry was real and I'm not even sure how long she stayed with me that night, it went by so fast. Tell her I have to see her again, we exchange phone numbers, and I give her a tip of 300 pesos. Get this, I don't even know her name (still). The entire time I thought it was Alice, but now I'm pretty sure it's not and that I'm confusing that name with something else, but kinda sounds similar to it.

In nirvana, head down to the Oxxo in the middle of the night to purchase some snacks + get some nearby street tacos. La vida es buena.

Saturday:

Wake up super late. Decided to switch to the Deluxe Single room at Hotel Rizo de Oro cause I feel I just didn't need a hot tub anymore, which in retrospect was the right call. The Deluxe Single was just as good as the Master Suite, just smaller, but not too tiny. Paid 832 pesos for it.

Head to a pharmacy to purchase some more Viagra, mainly to bring back with me stateside.

Exchange texts with the Melanie Rios chica (thank goodness for wifi and iMessage), offer to treat her to an early dinner. She agrees, but only if she can bring her friend, which is fine with me. Treat her + her friend to a nice restaurant on Avenida Revolucion. Her and her friend (Coral? I think. Also works at HK) were pretty mindful of the price of everything even after encouraging them to get whatever they wanted (dangerous, I know). Had a good time getting to know them both, especially outside of the HK setting. Total came out to be around 1500 pesos + $8 US tip, largely due to the number of glasses of wine I drank and the expensive food I got, LOL.

We all walk back to HK together, where I promise I'll be there later that night. Rest in my room for a bit, then head back to HK. The Melanie Rios chica texts me that she needs to serve Tequila shots or something like that so she won't be free till later. I scope the place out and buy a girl a drink (Paola? But end up not doing anything else with her as the chemistry is pretty lacking. See Coral from earlier and she thanks me for the meal again and we chat for a bit. Talk with some random mongers (one of which I end up giving a ride back to LA the following day), and the MR chica finally is free. We reunite, and yes. It's pretty damn awesome. Get her a drink, she gives me a little show on the couch, then we talk about heading back to my room. I mention my desire for at least an hour, maybe two with her. She shows a little hesitation about two hours, but that one hour should be fine. A really annoying mesero swoops in at this point and mentions that for apts of one hour or longer, I need to pay some type of fee that represents the fichas she's missing out on. MR chica looks kinda embarrassed by this (though it could all be part of a plan to rip me off and sounds like it is), but she whispers in my ear to just do the hour and that after her shift ends she'll head back to my room to sleep with me. Er. I gladly accept to say the least. I didn't set a rate with her beforehand even though we talked about it, though I know it's a big no-no to do that.

Head back to my room, again, have a rockstar time. She overstays the hour then tells me that as long as she's feeling well, she'll come back after her shift ends. Given our stellar sessions, the fact that I feel I underpaid for our previous one, and in anticipation for the upcoming overnight, I give her 4500 pesos for the hour in addition to that BS cerveza fee, which I'm not even sure how much it really is.

Sunday:

Few hours pass and I take a nap. And yes, she shows up at my hotel room door and we have a great time, though she's really tired. Stays until checkout time the following day (1 pm), where she mentions that she needs to do some errands at a place 20 minutes away by cab but wants me to join her for lunch. I decline cause I got to start heading back, but we embrace and she tells me to come back before she leaves (for good?) sometime next week back to el estado de Chihuahua. Tip her 1100 pesos for the overnight and OTC time in general.

Check out of hotel, get all my deposits back from them (AC and TV remote). Tip them a few bucks to watch my bags as I grab some lunch (street tacos again) + check out HK one last time. After all, I have another free drink to cash in on, LOL. Then I take the free HK limo back to the border, tip the driver.

Takes 1. 5 hours to cross the border, I'm told that's a long time, but honestly it wasn't that bad. Found out later that a new border crossing opened somewhere near this really large mall that has like no lines. Need to check it out next time. Meet up with that fellow monger I met earlier, drive back to LA with minimal / no traffic.

Still texting the MR BG to this day, seriously considering going back to Tijuana just to see her again, haha.

Budget:

Parking: $24 US /4 days at that motel.

Gas: $30 US for the entire round trip, paid for by a random monger I gave a ride back up to LA.

Exchange rate at casa de cambio: $42.

US Cab to border cause I'm dumb: $7.

US Cab from border to HK: $8.

US HK VIP card: 800 pesos.

Hotel Rizo de Oro Master Suite Night 1 + refundable $50 US deposit: 1824 pesos.

Tips to waiters, hotel staff: $18.

Supplies (Oxxo runs, drinks, snacks, souvenirs, Viagra): 1586 pesos.

Celedonia (CuminTJ): 2250 pesos + 250 propina / tip.

Carola (HK BG): 1300 pesos.

Thursday night drinks / cover charge / fees / tips: $50 - $60 US.

Food (street): 210 pesos.

Hotel Rizo de Oro Master Suite Night 2, weekend rate: 1472 pesos.

Tracy / Nicole hot tub, hour-long threesome: 5000 pesos.

Friday night drinks / cover fees / tips: 1475 pesos.

HK Melanie Rios BG: 1200 pesos + 300 peso tip.

Hotel Rizo de Oro Deluxe Single Night 3, weekend rate: 832 pesos.

Nice meal: 1500 pesos + $8 US tip.

HK Melanie Rios BG for 1+ hour + this BS cerveza fee: 4500 pesos.

Saturday night drinks / cover fees / tips: 530 pesos.

HK Melanie Rios BG overnight tip: 1100 pesos.

I was very generous with the tipping and in retrospect if I wanted to be pretty stingy (plus not treat people out to nice meals), I could have shaved 4000-5000 pesos easy off this trip FYI.

Total spent was around $1500.

A great report. Wow 4 days, in my early Tijuana mongering career back in 1997 to about 2002 I spent many 3, 4 and 5 days in the Zona, spent too much money but the memories still inspire me to this day.

Thanks for sharing.

TTM.

[ClamSlammer]

A HK girl offered to spend the day with me. I would like to accept. I have no problem paying her price for her time, but wonder about the club. I see where others have done this, but want to make sure that I go into this eyes open. Do they get some kind of cut or ask for a fee to have a girl spend the day with you, including some private time in the hotel?

Usually when they make offers like that it means on their day off. The bar fine at HK is quite costly, like $300. I'd just arrange to do it on her day off.

[Once Sailor]

A HK girl offered to spend the day with me. I would like to accept. I have no problem paying her price for her time, but wonder about the club. I see where others have done this, but want to make sure that I go into this eyes open. Do they get some kind of cut or ask for a fee to have a girl spend the day with you, including some private time in the hotel?

Actually this can possibly work out for you in the long run. I used to take a girl out that used to work at HK. I scheduled my trips timed to her days off. No time pressures, and a great time away from Zona Norte. Did a lot of things the "locals" do from partying, movies to some great eating places. More GFE than at the clubs.

[Phordphan]

A HK girl offered to spend the day with me. I would like to accept. I have no problem paying her price for her time, but wonder about the club. I see where others have done this, but want to make sure that I go into this eyes open. Do they get some kind of cut or ask for a fee to have a girl spend the day with you, including some private time in the hotel?

The girls have to work a shift. The club controls them during their shift, I. E. They can only leave for a certain amount of time, they have to check in and out, etc. , etc. The club has no control of their free time.

If she's offered to spend the day with you then it's on her day off. If she says otherwise then it's a scam and steer clear. (I've never heard of that scam, but maybe there's a new one). But passing a day with a client outside of the club is common. The club gets no cut and you're free to do what you like.

[Monkey7212]

Yes, love the critique by other hobbyists - one of the best ways at improving in anything in life in general.

Haha, I only took the initiative to make offers in pesos and clarify exactly what I wanted because of the advice on this board, think it may have even been you who posted about the need to do that a few pages ago. So thanks again!

10% tip being very very generous. Gotcha. Yeah, I was pretty generous in retrospect. Oh well, if it helps out the ladies and their kids / families, then it wasn't for naught.

[BlueJohn]

Was this an offer for during her work shift? I've never had such an offer. The only such offers I have received have been after hours or on her day off. The club gets nothing for that.

She said she would take the day off to be with me.

[HorseTrader]

A HK girl offered to spend the day with me. I would like to accept. I have no problem paying her price for her time, but wonder about the club. I see where others have done this, but want to make sure that I go into this eyes open. Do they get some kind of cut or ask for a fee to have a girl spend the day with you, including some private time in the hotel?

Was this an offer for during her work shift? I've never had such an offer. The only such offers I have received have been after hours or on her day off. The club gets nothing for that.

[Captain Solo]

By Mexico's laws, bars are not allowed to engage in pimping, pandering, prostitution. Even the hotels have to be owned by separate entities. Bars are supposed to be just bars where boys meet girls and make their own arrangements. It's illegal for bars to skim off profits from the sex trade. Well, at least that's the legal set up. Like many other transactions in mexico, compensations may be done by discretely by propinas or kick backs.

Tijuana bars do not outright take any cuts or bar fines from anyone when the chicas go arribas. If she stayed in the room beyond the normal 30 minutes or hour, sometimes the mesero would knock on the door to remind her to come back to work, or the guy has to buy a ficha bucket to compensate the bar and the mesero for the missing incomes.

A wingman had arrangements with a few HK chicas for 48-hour weekend dates for $200, Friday to Sunday noon to noon. The guy does not speak Spanish. It was done without help from any intermediaries. No commission or kick back to anyone was ever mentioned.

A HK girl offered to spend the day with me. I would like to accept. I have no problem paying her price for her time, but wonder about the club. I see where others have done this, but want to make sure that I go into this eyes open. Do they get some kind of cut or ask for a fee to have a girl spend the day with you, including some private time in the hotel?

[BlueJohn]

A HK girl offered to spend the day with me. I would like to accept. I have no problem paying her price for her time, but wonder about the club. I see where others have done this, but want to make sure that I go into this eyes open. Do they get some kind of cut or ask for a fee to have a girl spend the day with you, including some private time in the hotel?

[ScatManDoo]

Hola amigos,

Thanks for all the help in answering my questions for the recent trip. Here's a trip report that hopefully can illuminate some of my experiences, with a pretty detailed budget that I recorded. Feel free to rag on me on things you think I could have done better, saved more $ here, etc. Open to and welcome all criticisms. Vamonos:

I think it's great that you're open to having us dissect & critique your recent adventure.

And I'd like to firstly commend you for specifying what you wanted & then making offers to these chicas (instead of asking "how much?" like a rookie). I think once (or maybe twice?) in your report you expected that your offer was too low. ,. And you were surprised when they accepted. Keep at it. Don't be afraid to make ridiculously low offers, unless you're afraid of even greater pleasant surprises.

One piece of advice I'd like to give you: a 10% tip in Tijuana is a damn good tip. That's one of the big differences between Tijuana and Los Angeles. If you wanted to be like a Roman in Rome, you wouldn't tip at all.

[GolfSexRroll]

I parked my car at that Burger King / Motel lot then walked in the right direction initially, then I saw a bunch of people making a right and walking towards the freeway and I was like "Shoot, that must be the right way" and yeah. I got majorly confused haha. Next time I won't though! So easy.

$5 for cab ride. Duly noted, though I have the VIP card so I can score free rides off that.

Man, I'm thinking about going back to Tijuana sometime this weekend if not early next week depending on work, haha. I'm hooked!

Yeah, 4500 pesos for a 1 HR session + BS cerveza fee is definitely ludicrous, but I was thinking more along the lines of the upcoming overnight and OTC time I was going to spend with her which was why I was so generous (though to be safe I probably should have just tipped her after it actually happened). In total on that one chica, I spent around 8920 pesos aka $475 US (a standard session at 1200 pesos + 300 peso tip; the nice dinner for her and her friend, though I definitely was responsible for the majority of that bill - 1650 pesos; 4500 as above; 1100 pesos at the end of ON + OTC time as tip; maybe around 3 fichas so 170 pesos). This $475 US got me a standard session, a double length session, an overnight, plus some quality OTC time walking around the city / eating at a nice restaurant.

Will probably cut back on the tipping I do and be more stringent in the type of restaurant I chose in the future. With all the OTC time she gave me, I felt I should tip her overall, just wasn't sure how much.

Any thoughts on that? Thanks for the input!

If you had a good time it is up to you whatever you spent. It is your money and your decision. Your happiness is the important part. And with anything in the zona what you get is WHAT YOU GET, and everyone else's mileage will vary.

[TJ2015]

I parked my car at that Burger King / Motel lot then walked in the right direction initially, then I saw a bunch of people making a right and walking towards the freeway and I was like "Shoot, that must be the right way" and yeah. I got majorly confused haha. Next time I won't though! So easy.

$5 for cab ride. Duly noted, though I have the VIP card so I can score free rides off that.

Man, I'm thinking about going back to Tijuana sometime this weekend if not early next week depending on work, haha. I'm hooked!

Yeah, 4500 pesos for a 1 HR session + BS cerveza fee is definitely ludicrous, but I was thinking more along the lines of the upcoming overnight and OTC time I was going to spend with her which was why I was so generous (though to be safe I probably should have just tipped her after it actually happened). In total on that one chica, I spent around 8920 pesos aka $475 US (a standard session at 1200 pesos + 300 peso tip; the nice dinner for her and her friend, though I definitely was responsible for the majority of that bill - 1650 pesos; 4500 as above; 1100 pesos at the end of ON + OTC time as tip; maybe around 3 fichas so 170 pesos). This $475 US got me a standard session, a double length session, an overnight, plus some quality OTC time walking around the city / eating at a nice restaurant.

Will probably cut back on the tipping I do and be more stringent in the type of restaurant I chose in the future. With all the OTC time she gave me, I felt I should tip her overall, just wasn't sure how much.

Any thoughts on that? Thanks for the input!

Naw keep tipping. A couple bucks can go a long ways. . I Usually blow 500-600 a night when I spend a night in Tijuana. So your doing alright.

[Monkey7212]

I parked my car at that Burger King / Motel lot then walked in the right direction initially, then I saw a bunch of people making a right and walking towards the freeway and I was like "Shoot, that must be the right way" and yeah. I got majorly confused haha. Next time I won't though! So easy.

$5 for cab ride. Duly noted, though I have the VIP card so I can score free rides off that.

Man, I'm thinking about going back to Tijuana sometime this weekend if not early next week depending on work, haha. I'm hooked!

Yeah, 4500 pesos for a 1 HR session + BS cerveza fee is definitely ludicrous, but I was thinking more along the lines of the upcoming overnight and OTC time I was going to spend with her which was why I was so generous (though to be safe I probably should have just tipped her after it actually happened). In total on that one chica, I spent around 8920 pesos aka $475 US (a standard session at 1200 pesos + 300 peso tip; the nice dinner for her and her friend, though I definitely was responsible for the majority of that bill - 1650 pesos; 4500 as above; 1100 pesos at the end of ON + OTC time as tip; maybe around 3 fichas so 170 pesos). This $475 US got me a standard session, a double length session, an overnight, plus some quality OTC time walking around the city / eating at a nice restaurant.

Will probably cut back on the tipping I do and be more stringent in the type of restaurant I chose in the future. With all the OTC time she gave me, I felt I should tip her overall, just wasn't sure how much.

Any thoughts on that? Thanks for the input!