American Politics

[Chris P]

In what way is it circular?

"What is a woman?" "Someone who says they are a woman". That is a circular argument. They have not defined the word "woman". FYI, the definition is: adult human female.

The diving story you blathered on about was just too stupid to bother with.

No, only a psychiatrist classifies someone as insane. Gays were also once classed as insane, people who didn't belive in the bearded one in the sky too. Thank goodness for progress

You've rather amusingly just defeated your own argument. The fact that "accredited psychiatrists" once classified homosexuals and religious non-believers as insane shows that their profession is manipulated by the political controllers of society, like most things.

Nowadays, they are being manipulated by the woke Globohomo lobby which is in control of America. Any psychiatrist who dares to oppose the idea that cutting off your dick and calling yourself Shirley is anything other than a stunning and brave indicator of complete mental stability is destroyed and cast out like a heretic of old.

Woke globohomo is the new religion, and trannies are among its most sacred cows. Criticize, or worse, mock them at your peril, heathen!

[Chris P]

Again, thanks for taking the time to look at the paper Tiny. I think if you watch John Campbell's accompanying / explanatory video to the paper, you would find answers to several of you concenrs. The university has no skin in the vax game. It is an independent body.

They did account for many possible confounding variables such as other causes like heat waves and COVID deaths. These were accounted for and the correlation still exists.

You have now seen evidence of excess deaths (that you orginally stated would motivate you to consider seriously that vax deaths were occuring in significant numbers), and evidence of higher deaths in highly vaxxed countries. You have also seen copious evidence that this evidence that is contrary to the state message is being suppressed. If you want to keep denying it, that's up to you. Note - these stats ignore vax injuries - these are said to be a huge number.

I think when the Rep Party gets in to power next time, we will see even more truth coming out. Rand Paul seems determined to get to the truth. That's great to see bcos the Dem Party has become that party of lies and cover ups.

Leftists can deny any reality. They can deny that a man is a man. They can deny that it is evil to slice off a 13 year old child's healthy genitals. They can deny that the border is wide open. They can claim that the world is going to end in, I think 8 years now, right AOC? Don't be surprised that they deny vax deaths too.

[Chris P]

Along with the collapse over the past two years of American military prestige and economic power, this week has seen the end of our once-respected judiciary. Leftwing activist judges and Soros-funded politicized prosecutors have been a problem for some years, but two events this week have signalled that judicial impartiality is over.

The egregious persecution of the former president and current opposition leader by his political enemies is the primary indicator, particularly given the inherent weakness of the "case", the fact that no former president has ever been arrested before, and the fact that far more obvious criminality committed by the Bidens and Clintons has been ignored.

However, another case is perhaps almost as relevant. Douglass Mackey was just convicted by a leftist Washington jury and faces prison for sending memes.

Yes, for sending memes. For exercising his First Amendment rights.

In 2016, Mackey was a leading figure on Twitter (in the days when it still permitted free speech) under the name "Ricky Vaughn". His account became extremely influential for the many cutting and hilarious memes he posted, which contributed to the victory of Donald Trump. As such, Globohomo decided to persecute him in order to dissuade others from mocking it.

His "crime" was to have posted a satirical meme before the 2016 election encouraging democrat voters to vote by text. Of course, it is impossible to vote in this way, as anyone with room temperature IQ knows, and it was meant as a comedic insult directed at the intelligence of democrat voters.

What is particularly fascinating is that a left-wing democrat activist, Kristina Wong, posted exactly the same meme at the same time, directed toward Republican voters: telling them to vote by text or wait till "Super Wednesday" (the day after polls closed).

In an impartial, unbiased system, there would be no way of prosecuting Mackey without prosecuting Wong. They literally posted the same meme at the same time, directed toward opposing voters.

And yet Kristina Wong is out and about, happily doing a campus tour, while Mackey faces prison. This is because the American justice system is now part of the politicized swamp.

Just as leftist rioters are permitted to attack courthouses, burn cities and lately invade the Tennessee Capitol building without consequence, while rightwing protesters spend years in prison for walking through the Washington Capitol; so rightwingers are now arrested for political speech and satire that leftists get away with scot free.

Expect consequences.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...ustice-system/

[Chris P]

Are the anti-sodomites on this thread concerned about a major threat to children? Why don't you just tell the truth, that you think homosexuality is icky?

Both things can be simultaneously true.

[Chris P]

LOL. I repeat the only reason I linked this article was to get to the lawsuit.

You and the LA Times are not qualified to review the quality of studies. For example, this one has a 6% dissatisfaction rate but has a 37% response rate. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28471328/.

Of course, there are no links to these studies with 1 and 2% dissatisfaction rates.

"Proponents of these bans assert that puberty blockers and hormones used in such care endanger the lives of adolescents. They say the youths may be going through a phase that they'll soon outgrow and the treatments are based on overly indulgent diagnoses of "gender dysphoria".

The truth is just the opposite. Gender dysphoria diagnosis is neither novel nor a fad, as some partisan critics assert. Instead, it's recognized by professionals as a serious medical condition. ".

No, the truth is no one knows and the first rule of medicine is do no harm.

This is the same kind of reckless "expert" driven bullshit as the Covid vaccines. They were claimed to be safe and effective and now two years later, we all know (well maybe not you Democratic douches) that they were anything but.

Adults can lop off whatever parts of their bodies they wish to fulfil their weird fetishes. However, children's brains are not developed enough to make such life-altering decisions, which is why it is criminal that healthy breasts and penises are being sliced off children as young as 13. When the country sorts itself out, possibly post-boogaloo, there will be many criminal prosecutions of the perpetrators of these child mutilations.

[Elvis 2008]

Here you go, here you go! And more indictments to come. Like I said, we're just getting started! He's going to be so tied up in legal problems that he can't even begin to think about being president again: https://www.aol.com/news/york-city-t...145741875.html

You have both Elon Musk and Scott Adams saying if Trump is arrested, he wins in a landslide. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/twi...ry-if-arrested.

That the Dems went forward and arrested him on the stupidest charge in the history of mankind told me not that they want Trump out of the election but they want him as a preferred candidate.

To me, this says the Dems want Trump and are scared shitless of Desantis. If Desantis is the nominee, the age issue, the way Biden has mishandled the economy, the Ukraine war, and to me the biggie is how Biden completely screwed up with regards to Covid are the issues. If Trump is the nominee, we have to hear the Democratic douches try to outdo each other on the Trump name calling.

So the idea that this arrest knocks out Trump is reading it wrong. Everyone is saying it makes him a stronger not weaker candidate, and Desantis has lost ground because of it.

Hiliary pays for the bogus Steele dossier, which is 100 X more serious than this, and pays a fine, and Trump is arrested for paying off some hooker to not speak is a felony? LOL. We are actually used to this uneven justice system now.

[Elvis 2008]

For everybody who is convinced that the COVID vaccines caused a massive amount of deaths, it will make no difference whatsoever regardless of the number of studies, papers, etc. That say otherwise.

These "everybody knows" folks are the same ones who believe cockamamie conspiracy theories like Chinese thermostats changed votes in the 2020 election or that Italian space lasers changed votes or that JFK (or is it JFK, Jr?) is really alive or that the Earth is flat or that the moon is made out of green cheese.

LOL. Did you read what I wrote? Is everything with you I am smart and everyone else is stupid?

There is a big difference with regards to the vaccine for the 70+ crowd and other people especially teenage boys and young men. What gets me about you Democratic douches is the arrogance that there is a standard risk to benefit ratio for everyone and that the ration does not vary. You douches are like, "Nah, it is safe for everyone. " Vaccination should have been determined on a case by case basis versus a fucking mandate.

Nowhere was that more evident than on Joe Rogan's podcast. He has on doctors Malone and McCollough who warn about the dangers of the Covid vaccine, and I had to listen to you Democratic douches ramble on upon vaccine hesitancy and these two were anti-vaxxers when in fact BOTH doctors had been vaccinated.

The twitter files showed the government taking down anything, including factually accurate data, that promoted vaccine hesitancy. The government wanted people to be ignorant of the potential side effects on the vaccine.

If you douches were so right about everything, then why the call for Covid amnesty here, https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...eness/671879/? You do not read what I am but every fucking day there is some admission from government that they lied or fucked up on Covid.

Ron Desantis called Deborah Birx when we were in the middle of lockdowns and asked for proof that lockdowns worked, and she said she had none, and Desantis said his jaw dropped. Florida had great success with Covid because Desantis only listened to a handful of people he trusted and were honest with him about things.

When Rand Paul asked Fauci if he was profiting off the vaccine, he told Senator Paul it was none of his business. Rand Paul also said the supposedly retired Fauci is still working for government (not sure why that is when he is 82 fucking years old) and the reason is Fauci is still working is that he is afraid he is going to get sued into the stone age unless he is in government and has immunity.

Once 2024 hits, these POS vaccines are either going to be taken off the market or the drug companies are going to come even cleaner with the side effects. My guess is the drug companies pull said vaccines off the market.

You get one person harmed and or killed by the vaccine to sue, get the real data, and put Fauci on the stand after all his contradictions, and you got a multibillion dollar lawsuit.

It is all arrogance with you douches. Anyone who voted for Trump is stupid. Anyone who did not believe in Russiagate is stupid, and anyone who did not get the vaccine is stupid too.

[Tiny 12]

For everybody who is convinced that the COVID vaccines caused a massive amount of deaths, it will make no difference whatsoever regardless of the number of studies, papers, etc. That say otherwise.

These "everybody knows" folks are the same ones who believe cockamamie conspiracy theories like Chinese thermostats changed votes in the 2020 election or that Italian space lasers changed votes or that JFK (or is it JFK, Jr?) is really alive or that the Earth is flat or that the moon is made out of green cheese.

Some people would indeed be alive today if they hadn't been afraid to get the vaccine. At this point, I don't know how much difference it makes. We've all gotten the disease and / or gotten vaccinated, so have some immunity from severe disease. Before long the death rate from COVID may be no worse than the flu. Perhaps we're just arguing about history. Let's hope so.

[The Cane]

Yep, that is the biggest and most damning American Politics Real News item of the day. But typically dumb Repub hillbilly wingers would rather post wildly off this forum's topic nonsense like all the imaginary deaths the Covid vaccine caused, how close they are to choosing a sex change operation for themselves if they read or hear just one more mention of it being their right to choose it and so on.

This first Trump indictment might in and of itself be less legally threatening than the idictments he has earned for worse crimes. However, this one is critical in that it was the gateway crime that allowed him and his Repub supporters and partners to inflict historic levels of economic disaster, death and destruction on America and most of the world.

Sure, Repub FBI Director Comey's contribution likely shifted enough votes to Trump at the last minute in 2016 to put him in the White House. Russia's extraordinarily high level of collusion with Camp Trump, the RePutinKlan Party and winger media like Fux News certainly shifted just enough votes to do it.

But there was nothing illegal about those pro Trump campaign moves. They were merely unethical and Anti-American.

However, this Trump campaign election rigging move to put him in the White House was illegal.

Here you go, here you go! And more indictments to come. Like I said, we're just getting started! He's going to be so tied up in legal problems that he can't even begin to think about being president again: https://www.aol.com/news/york-city-t...145741875.html

[Tiny 12]

Again, thanks for taking the time to look at the paper Tiny. I think if you watch John Campbell's accompanying / explanatory video to the paper, you would find answers to several of you concenrs. The university has no skin in the vax game. It is an independent body.

They did account for many possible confounding variables such as other causes like heat waves and COVID deaths. These were accounted for and the correlation still exists.

You have now seen evidence of excess deaths (that you orginally stated would motivate you to consider seriously that vax deaths were occuring in significant numbers), and evidence of higher deaths in highly vaxxed countries. You have also seen copious evidence that this evidence that is contrary to the state message is being suppressed. If you want to keep denying it, that's up to you. Note - these stats ignore vax injuries - these are said to be a huge number.

I think when the Rep Party gets in to power next time, we will see even more truth coming out. Rand Paul seems determined to get to the truth. That's great to see bcos although Trump was a huge liar, the Dem Party has become that party of lies and cover ups.

Hi JustTK, looking over the paper, I see they did kick out the heat wave deaths in their Model 5. And perhaps you could say they partly controlled for COVID deaths by including the average 2020 and 2021 mortality relative to 2016 to 2019 mortality as an independent variable. That is, perhaps higher death rates in 2020 and 2021 would be correlated with lower death rates in 2022. And, again, I don't have a good background in statistics. All I can do is look at figure 1 C and say from that the July data really pushed up the slope of their data fit. So anyway their case isn't convincing to me. A large part of it is that I just don't see how the vaccine could have worse long term effects than severe disease from COVID. And a person is less likely to have severe disease if he's vaccinated.

Also, except for Poland, the countries with low vaccination uptake rates are relatively small places. Most of the data, since it's weighted by population, is from countries that have small differences in vaccination rates. You can see this on Figure 1 D of the Norwegians paper. I'd guess the majority of the data is from countries with vaccination uptake rates of 72% to 75%.

I'd refer you again to Figure 6 in the following, which looks at many more countries, and shows "0" correlation between excess deaths and vaccination rates:

https://healthfeedback.org/what-can-...urope-in-2022/

I did listen to Campbell, and didn't get much more out of it than what I read in the paper. He does do a good job of emphasizing some of the points though.

We should revisit this in about six months or a year. It will be interesting to see if the Norwegians case holds up for time periods after September of 2022.

[JustTK]

Excellent interview here by Kim Iversen with Jill Stein, including a discussion on the importance of 3rd parties.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5foGvzhA7Gc

[JustTK]

Good one JustTK. I spent two or three hours looking at the paper in question and related info. And for a while was having second thoughts about getting my second bivalent COVID booster this month.

However, in the end, I believe the researchers came up with a spurious correlation, like Tooms' spurious correlations between Republican Presidents and recessions, lower GDP growth, higher unemployment, and a pandemic. Or mine between Democratic Presidents and the number of Americans who've died in wars that started when they were in office. There's no cause and effect.

Here's the paper in question:

https://www.preprints.org/manuscript...50/v1/download

Again, thanks for taking the time to look at the paper Tiny. I think if you watch John Campbell's accompanying / explanatory video to the paper, you would find answers to several of you concenrs. The university has no skin in the vax game. It is an independent body.

They did account for many possible confounding variables such as other causes like heat waves and COVID deaths. These were accounted for and the correlation still exists.

You have now seen evidence of excess deaths (that you orginally stated would motivate you to consider seriously that vax deaths were occuring in significant numbers), and evidence of higher deaths in highly vaxxed countries. You have also seen copious evidence that this evidence that is contrary to the state message is being suppressed. If you want to keep denying it, that's up to you. Note - these stats ignore vax injuries - these are said to be a huge number.

I think when the Rep Party gets in to power next time, we will see even more truth coming out. Rand Paul seems determined to get to the truth. That's great to see bcos although Trump was a huge liar, the Dem Party has become that party of lies and cover ups.

[Beijing4987]

Mark Twain attributed quote this to Benjamin Disraeli. Something for think about those who love to quibble about ephemera. Ah, but who first said, "the devil's in the details " ?

[PVMonger]

Good one JustTK. I spent two or three hours looking at the paper in question and related info. And for a while was having second thoughts about getting my second bivalent COVID booster this month.

However, in the end, I believe the researchers came up with a spurious correlation, like Tooms' spurious correlations between Republican Presidents and recessions, lower GDP growth, higher unemployment, and a pandemic. Or mine between Democratic Presidents and the number of Americans who've died in wars that started when they were in office. There's no cause and effect.

Here's the paper in question:

https://www.preprints.org/manuscript...50/v1/download

The Norwegians performed a regression analysis between excess mortality (dependent variable), and vaccination uptake, month number, average 2020 to 2021 mortality relative to 2016 to 2019 mortality, and life expectancy (independent variables) and they came up with a correlation, which I believe is spurious, given their intent is to show the vaccines are killing lots of people. If they'd instead used deaths from heat waves and from COVID the disease, I suspect they would have come up with a better correlation. The heat deaths occurred mostly in France, Spain, Germany, and Portugal, countries with high vaccination uptake rates. There were virtually none in the low vaccination uptake rate countries, which are mostly in Eastern Europe.

I'm too lazy to look at COVID deaths by month and country quantitatively, in an Excel spreadsheet, but have looked at graphs of deaths versus time during 2022 for the highest and lowest vaccination uptake countries in the Norwegians' paper. And it looks to me like COVID deaths per capita were lower for whatever reason in the lower uptake countries in 2022, which were all in Eastern Europe. Furthermore, after the winter of 2021/2022, that is, after the worldwide Omicron wave, the death rates from COVID went down to really low levels in the lowest vaccination countries, while they did not in the highest vaccination countries. So, again, I'd attribute part of the Norwegian's findings to higher death rates from COVID in the low vaccination countries.

Despite what Fauci, the CDC, and other health authorities would tell you on one hand and what the anti-vaxxers would tell you on the other, both vaccines and past infection provide good immunity against severe disease. And also COVID did not move through Europe uniformly. You may recall that initially in 2020, Eastern Europe (low vaccination uptake countries) had low rates of COVID infection, but later caught up and in some instances surpassed western European countries in per capita COVID deaths. So anyway I don't think the fact that the Eastern European countries had lower per capita death rates from COVID, the disease, in 2022 is an argument for superiority of getting immunity through disease instead of vaccines. In fact, for people my age anyway, I think that's a stupid argument.

Now I'm weak in statistics. The only info I see in their paper that gives me an idea of whether their correlations are statistically significant is Figure 1 C on page 5, which shows their data fits (the straight lines) and actual data (yellow or orange line) for percentage excess deaths by month. They emphasize the fact that the % excess deaths is increasing 2022. The reason is that you expect that % excess deaths in January and February should be higher, because of the Omicron wave. But why are they higher still in July? Why, it must be the aftereffects of the vaccines! Again, I'd chalk that up to heatwave deaths. The excess deaths fall off a lot in subsequent months.

The excess death rates go down after July. Without the July data, the Norwegian's correlation looks a lot less impressive.

Finally, there's other research, which looks to be better quality to me, that contradicts the Norwegian's hypothesis. Here are a couple of links. The first is particularly good and more comprehensive than the Norwegian study -- see Figure 6 in particular.

https://healthfeedback.org/what-can-...urope-in-2022/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9319484/

Now, you will see posts on social media showing a correlation between higher vaccination rates and higher mortality or hospitalization rates from COVID within single countries or counties or wherever. The UK and Israel probably account for the majority. They're bogus, as they fail to segment by age group. In parts of the UK, for example, a lot more old people got vaccinated than young people. And old people are mostly the ones who were hospitalized and died with COVID. Correct for age and it's obvious the vaccines prevented hospitalizations and death.

Also, if you look like a country like Taiwan, which was walled off from COVID through travel restrictions, you'll see higher all cause mortality in the vaccinated. Contrary to what Fauci, the CDC, the WHO and other health authorities would have you believe, thousands or tens of thousands of people have died from COVID vaccines. Millions however have died from COVID the disease. It's a numbers game. And for people my age, but perhaps not yours, the decision to get the vaccine was a no brainer.

For everybody who is convinced that the COVID vaccines caused a massive amount of deaths, it will make no difference whatsoever regardless of the number of studies, papers, etc. That say otherwise.

These "everybody knows" folks are the same ones who believe cockamamie conspiracy theories like Chinese thermostats changed votes in the 2020 election or that Italian space lasers changed votes or that JFK (or is it JFK, Jr?) is really alive or that the Earth is flat or that the moon is made out of green cheese.

[Tiny 12]

More evidence that COVID vaccines cause excess deaths. This is really for Tiny, who appears at least open to reading / watching new evidence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G1SWjL7gmQ

Of course, this will get zero coverage by the corporat ecaptured mainstream media since they are sponsored by Big Pharma too.

Good one JustTK. I spent two or three hours looking at the paper in question and related info. And for a while was having second thoughts about getting my second bivalent COVID booster this month.

However, in the end, I believe the researchers came up with a spurious correlation, like Tooms' spurious correlations between Republican Presidents and recessions, lower GDP growth, higher unemployment, and a pandemic. Or mine between Democratic Presidents and the number of Americans who've died in wars that started when they were in office. There's no cause and effect.

Here's the paper in question:

https://www.preprints.org/manuscript...50/v1/download

The Norwegians performed a regression analysis between excess mortality (dependent variable), and vaccination uptake, month number, average 2020 to 2021 mortality relative to 2016 to 2019 mortality, and life expectancy (independent variables) and they came up with a correlation, which I believe is spurious, given their intent is to show the vaccines are killing lots of people. If they'd instead used deaths from heat waves and from COVID the disease, I suspect they would have come up with a better correlation. The heat deaths occurred mostly in France, Spain, Germany, and Portugal, countries with high vaccination uptake rates. There were virtually none in the low vaccination uptake rate countries, which are mostly in Eastern Europe.

I'm too lazy to look at COVID deaths by month and country quantitatively, in an Excel spreadsheet, but have looked at graphs of deaths versus time during 2022 for the highest and lowest vaccination uptake countries in the Norwegians' paper. And it looks to me like COVID deaths per capita were lower for whatever reason in the lower uptake countries in 2022, which were all in Eastern Europe. Furthermore, after the winter of 2021/2022, that is, after the worldwide Omicron wave, the death rates from COVID went down to really low levels in the lowest vaccination countries, while they did not in the highest vaccination countries. So, again, I'd attribute part of the Norwegian's findings to higher death rates from COVID in the low vaccination countries.

Despite what Fauci, the CDC, and other health authorities would tell you on one hand and what the anti-vaxxers would tell you on the other, both vaccines and past infection provide good immunity against severe disease. And also COVID did not move through Europe uniformly. You may recall that initially in 2020, Eastern Europe (low vaccination uptake countries) had low rates of COVID infection, but later caught up and in some instances surpassed western European countries in per capita COVID deaths. So anyway I don't think the fact that the Eastern European countries had lower per capita death rates from COVID, the disease, in 2022 is an argument for superiority of getting immunity through disease instead of vaccines. In fact, for people my age anyway, I think that's a stupid argument.

Now I'm weak in statistics. The only info I see in their paper that gives me an idea of whether their correlations are statistically significant is Figure 1 C on page 5, which shows their data fits (the straight lines) and actual data (yellow or orange line) for percentage excess deaths by month. They emphasize the fact that the % excess deaths is increasing 2022. The reason is that you expect that % excess deaths in January and February should be higher, because of the Omicron wave. But why are they higher still in July? Why, it must be the aftereffects of the vaccines! Again, I'd chalk that up to heatwave deaths. The excess deaths fall off a lot in subsequent months.

The excess death rates go down after July. Without the July data, the Norwegian's correlation looks a lot less impressive.

Finally, there's other research, which looks to be better quality to me, that contradicts the Norwegian's hypothesis. Here are a couple of links. The first is particularly good and more comprehensive than the Norwegian study -- see Figure 6 in particular.

https://healthfeedback.org/what-can-...urope-in-2022/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9319484/

Now, you will see posts on social media showing a correlation between higher vaccination rates and higher mortality or hospitalization rates from COVID within single countries or counties or wherever. The UK and Israel probably account for the majority. They're bogus, as they fail to segment by age group. In parts of the UK, for example, a lot more old people got vaccinated than young people. And old people are mostly the ones who were hospitalized and died with COVID. Correct for age and it's obvious the vaccines prevented hospitalizations and death.

Also, if you look like a country like Taiwan, which was walled off from COVID through travel restrictions, you'll see higher all cause mortality in the vaccinated. Contrary to what Fauci, the CDC, the WHO and other health authorities would have you believe, thousands or tens of thousands of people have died from COVID vaccines. Millions however have died from COVID the disease. It's a numbers game. And for people my age, but perhaps not yours, the decision to get the vaccine was a no brainer.