Bangkok Reports

[Western787]

Guys!

J.

Regarding regular massage places, business is way down and staff are unusually aggressive, demanding extras. The little sub soi opposite Fortuna Hotel in soi5 is chocka full of massage shops now.

Must credit the Hilary chain of bars for many enjoyable afternoons playing pool to some good sounds and company.

Off to the delights of AC on my next trip mid year, be interesting to compare.

Tuck

Same at Soil 11 in regard to massage shops.

Entering from Soi 11 (the only entrance in fact) into Villa Market, then leaving the store via the regular exit, you will usually be accosted by dozens of massage girls, some very sleazy, but some quite cute, since the (mandatory and only) exit requires you to run past either 6 plus shops east bound (toward Soil 13) OR the normal way, back to Soi 11 and 6 more shops west bound. Minus a couple of LB's I think in total approx 50 to 60 girls work just in those very small shops, and they get to give their best sales pitch to every Farang that happens to shop at Villa Market..

There is no escape and they all know you probably just overpaid at Villa for your favorite Farang food and therefore have cash.

As for HIllary Clubs, Hillary 3 and Hillary 1 in Nana are fantastic. Other two clubs OK too.

[Western787]

I've also heard rumors about money laundering. Could be true. Could be a story that started because of his ethnicity.

Did you notice today's Stuckman Weekly touted the coyotes claiming they may save the gogo bar business. Or should we start calling them coyote bars? Part of his reasoning is coyotes are more attractive which will be more pleasing to ladies, couples and casual tourists who want to just gawk at the spectacle. I would hardly describe that as saving the business. That would be (is) a new business model, catering to a different market segment. Are there dwindling numbers of mongers shopping in the gogos? In December my hotel room looked down on NEP. It did not look very busy, even on Fridays and Saturdays. If this is the case, might a smaller number of bars follow the old model while other bars will emerge featuring coyotes for customers with no interest in bar fining the ladies?

This may be one time people may want to thank the overpayers, high rollers, reckless spenders, or just horny bastards carrying a lot of cash and willing to toss it away, because THOSE will be the guys that (initially) help Coyotes transition into working girl status by paying them 5k plus to entice them. As said before, once they get a taste of the big money, few will go back. Now I am not sure what percentage of girls will make the jump, but I believe it will be many. But many will do it in stealth form to keep up the pretense of just being Coyotes to keep face, and then probably add part time working girl work elsewhere.

You might for example be be seeing some future Thermae girls among these new Coyotes.

By the way sometimes Stickman really nails it. This from his Nov 10, 2013 column "If you fancy any of the coyote girls who congregate outside The Arab's bars in Soi Cowboy acting as hello girls, but don't care to go inside due to the cost of drinks (standard drinks are now 200 baht in The Arab bars) and reports of overzeallous security staff, then you may have another option. Strong rumours have it that there will be a flock of girls who once worked for The Arab soon to be found in Nana Plaza as at least one agency reports some girls are refusing to work for The Arab. The same agency has been contacted by a bar group in Nana so put one and one together."

Sure enough not many weeks later you started to see crowds (25 to 30 plus girls) mostly leggy 18 and 19 and 20 year olds or so half way up the Nana Parking Lot late at night (usually 1/2 hour after closing) waiting in line for the agency woman to give them their shift pay (it actually looked like chickens being fed as they were cackling so much). So they definitely need the bahts, that's for certain.

[Friar Tuck]

Guys!

Just back from 2 weeks in BKK, my first solo escapade for a few years. Dumped the long termer due to high maintenance costs.

Spent most nights at Cowboy due to the superior looking ladies and better vibe than Nana. Quite surprised and pleased with the full nude dancing, and that they remain nude when visiting my table. But really, do the chubbies have to be nude?

What is up with the drink prices at SC? Are you freakin' kidding me, LD's 200baht and 155ish for my own! That is theft by any standard. Many of the ladies made quite sure I knew the price of a LD, even after I had offered it, obviously had some unhappy dudes when the bill was presented.

Why am I not surprised that many bars are empty, you need talent to open wallets at those prices.

Barfines seem a little higher but ST, LT has not moved. Their opening gambit has moved up but they seem easy to negotiate down to the 1. 5 to 2. 5 range. Performance in the room was good to excellent with only one non performer over the 2 week period. Everything I wanted was on the table, never enquired re A levels.

Regarding regular massage places, business is way down and staff are unusually aggressive, demanding extras. The little sub soi opposite Fortuna Hotel in soi5 is chocka full of massage shops now. My usual haunt down there is a place called Baan Thai. They have lost their best staff to Korea where they are earning 60k a month without offering extras. The boss was suicidal. Across the lane is another shop with a blue uniform, was enticed in there by a big titted wench. Realised the game when no change of clothes was required and no towel offered. She kept letting her hair brush across the cluster and then the occasional tongue running down the underside of the shaft. Naturally I was keen for some relief. 2.5 for CBJ was her response! After I stopped laughing, we agreed on 1k BBBJTC. No come in mouth she said, ok I go I said, ok cim. For some reason I had a huge load which I duly delivered, to her credit she did a very good job and carried on during delivery, she then flew to the bathroom, quite funny too watch. She laughed about it later and wanted to come to my room after work, had to politely decline due to the size of her rump and thighs.

Must credit the Hilary chain of bars for many enjoyable afternoons playing pool to some good sounds and company.

Off to the delights of AC on my next trip mid year, be interesting to compare.

Tuck

[Hiihii]

I'm losing you? LOL. The "you take me?" girls either in R4 or elsewhere may skip certain customers, maybe they sense customers that have difficult personalities, somebody who is a real downer. These girls have a 6th sense. It can also depend on how many customers are in there, or perhaps the guy has a rep in the club as taking girls to amazingly bottom barrel cheap hotels, and the girl doesn't want to be further depressed by going to a dump. Anytime I have gotten the late night walk up and say "you take me?" true its not the hottest girls per se, but they can be cute. However my experience in Fantasia in regard to the "Coyote" is exactly as described it. Now there were hardly anyone in the club, but yes the girl was begging to be taken, almost in a frenetic way, perhaps she had a debt, who knows. But she obviously needed some major bucks, Now of course if you just handed her 3k for nothing, she'd be happy, so no one is claiming its about the sex.

These girls generally do not want to be treated like hookers. Posters like "Sir Lancelot" (one of his reports I see now on posts of distinction) seem to have a positive attitude and treat girls well, and probably put out good vibes and the girls respond to that. If someone is always having negative club experiences and instincitively tagging all the girls (minus a few alleged Superstars") as ugly or below standard, it becomes self reinforcing as the girls pick up the vibe.

While it is true some hotties don't last, and the extreme over the top drop dead gorgeous ones often get picked off, anyone can dump money on them near term OTC to get their attention, and for some customers this can even continue after they quit.

Rainbow 4 did get hit hard by a busted high season like other clubs, but there are hot girls there. 007 is hot, #132 the newer one is fairly hot and and previous #132 though only there for less than a month in late Nov and early December, (19 years old slender, tall, dirty blonde hair swept back in a ponytail. Delicate facial features, amazing DFK type, though otherwise very shy, but just couldn't handle the business) The way YOU define R4 is. A couple of "superstars" and then a bunch of subparl girls, That's not very accurate. By your own definition "the market determines Superstars" but if that is true then the previously mentioned #15 is a superstar because (except for a lull period) has generally had very high barfine rates. Also a dancer who doesn't get many barfines but nonethelss is hot, is on the extreme right side, very end, slender, tall 170 cm at least. Long legs, nice ass, very light skin brunnette with almost a western look, although appears stuck up (nose in the air sort of) , if she glanced down more a potential customers. She get more barfines. Another very hot girl on the left side, very very cute, shorter 155 cm, wears her hair (light brn) in a bun often times, great figure, great figure, nice ass and nice tits, some TATS, very outgoing, very pretty face always talking to everyone.

My analysis of Rainbow 4. MegasupeRstar number 4 and the rest. The rest including a few pretty face while the majority are not. All equallly not all that desireable-atleast not 100$ worth of desireable.ness.

Something I notice recently is all kinds of girls getting barfined. Meaning-just a lot of plain nois, nits, and nats strutting their stuff.

R2 AND R1 has better faces than R4.

[Western787]

You losing me again. I've noticed the hot girls rarely do the take me take me thing. They usually just wait till they are called-sexy dancing not required.

I wonder what you see as hot. Can you give more example of R4 girls you think is hot.

The money is definately intoxicating but the girl does have to deal with being a sex object. Not many girls have this skill set over a long period of time. Burn out or just getting old is not easy to handle.

I'm losing you? LOL. The "you take me?" girls either in R4 or elsewhere may skip certain customers, maybe they sense customers that have difficult personalities, somebody who is a real downer. These girls have a 6th sense. It can also depend on how many customers are in there, or perhaps the guy has a rep in the club as taking girls to amazingly bottom barrel cheap hotels, and the girl doesn't want to be further depressed by going to a dump. Anytime I have gotten the late night walk up and say "you take me?" true its not the hottest girls per se, but they can be cute. However my experience in Fantasia in regard to the "Coyote" is exactly as described it. Now there were hardly anyone in the club, but yes the girl was begging to be taken, almost in a frenetic way, perhaps she had a debt, who knows. But she obviously needed some major bucks, Now of course if you just handed her 3k for nothing, she'd be happy, so no one is claiming its about the sex.

These girls generally do not want to be treated like hookers. Posters like "Sir Lancelot" (one of his reports i see now on posts of distinction) seem to have a positive attitude and treat girls well, and probably put out good vibes and the girls respond to that. If someone is always having negative club experiences and instincitively tagging all the girls (minus a few alleged Superstars") as ugly or below standard, it becomes self reinforcing as the girls pick up the vibe.

While it is true some hotties don't last, and the extreme over the top drop dead gorgeous ones often get picked off, anyone can dump money on them near term OTC to get their attention, and for some customers this can even continue after they quit.

Rainbow 4 did get hit hard by a busted high season like other clubs, but there are hot girls there. 007 is hot, #132 the newer one is fairly hot and and previous #132 though only there for less than a month in late Nov and early December, ( 19 years old slender, tall, dirty blonde hair swept back in a ponytail. Delicate facial features, amazing DFK type, though otherwise very shy, but just couldn't handle the business) The way YOU define R4 is - a couple of "superstars" and then a bunch of subparl girls, That's not very accurate. By your own definition "the market determines Superstars" but if that is true then the previously mentioned #15 is a superstar because (except for a lull period) has generally had very high barfine rates. Also a dancer who doesn't get many barfines but nonethelss is hot, is on the extreme right side, very end, slender, tall 170 cm at least. long legs, nice ass, very light skin brunnette with almost a western look, although appears stuck up (nose in the air sort of) , if she glanced down more a potential customers. she get more barfines.. Another very hot girl on the left side, very very cute, shorter 155 cm?, wears her hair (light brn) in a bun often times, great figure, great figure, nice ass and nice tits, some TATS, very outgoing, very pretty face always talking to everyone.

[Marky1]

I've also heard rumors about money laundering. Could be true. Could be a story that started because of his ethnicity.

Did you notice today's Stuckman Weekly touted the coyotes claiming they may save the gogo bar business. Or should we start calling them coyote bars? Part of his reasoning is coyotes are more attractive which will be more pleasing to ladies, couples and casual tourists who want to just gawk at the spectacle. I would hardly describe that as saving the business. That would be (is) a new business model, catering to a different market segment. Are there dwindling numbers of mongers shopping in the gogos? In December my hotel room looked down on NEP. It did not look very busy, even on Fridays and Saturdays. If this is the case, might a smaller number of bars follow the old model while other bars will emerge featuring coyotes for customers with no interest in bar fining the ladies?

I still read Stickman however he has a bias.

Coyote bars are not popular at all. They're tourist traps. Look at the most popular bars in Nana and SC. They are not coyote bars.

Stickman hopes to see the bar industry die since he can no longer participate in it. He can barely hide his glee whenever something negative happens in the industry.

One week it's Patpong 2 being the best bar area in the city, the next some paid blurb for an agency for 'classy escorts', the next how coyotes saved the bars. I had to laugh when in his latest article he puts a photo of an old gogo dancer next to one of a young coyote dancer and asks us to guess which is which. No agenda there. How about putting a photo of a gogo dancer that gets 3 barfines a night against a coyote dancer that can't meet her drinks quota for the month?

[Syzygies]

I've also heard rumors about money laundering. Could be true. Could be a story that started because of his ethnicity.

Did you notice today's Stuckman Weekly touted the coyotes claiming they may save the gogo bar business. Or should we start calling them coyote bars? Part of his reasoning is coyotes are more attractive which will be more pleasing to ladies, couples and casual tourists who want to just gawk at the spectacle. I would hardly describe that as saving the business. That would be (is) a new business model, catering to a different market segment. Are there dwindling numbers of mongers shopping in the gogos? In December my hotel room looked down on NEP. It did not look very busy, even on Fridays and Saturdays. If this is the case, might a smaller number of bars follow the old model while other bars will emerge featuring coyotes for customers with no interest in bar fining the ladies?

I am always amazed at how many tourist couples want to see the smoking pussy shows etc. Coyote seems a bit boring and available in other locations.

[Der Auslander]

i've also heard rumors about money laundering. could be true. could be a story that started because of his ethnicity.

did you notice today's stuckman weekly touted the coyotes claiming they may save the gogo bar business. or should we start calling them coyote bars? part of his reasoning is coyotes are more attractive which will be more pleasing to ladies, couples and casual tourists who want to just gawk at the spectacle. i would hardly describe that as saving the business. that would be (is) a new business model, catering to a different market segment. are there dwindling numbers of mongers shopping in the gogos? in december my hotel room looked down on nep. it did not look very busy, even on fridays and saturdays. if this is the case, might a smaller number of bars follow the old model while other bars will emerge featuring coyotes for customers with no interest in bar fining the ladies?

stickman in my opinion has a strange and confused agenda. very often he is somewhat rep001hing and scornful with regard to the guys who visit thailand for a vacation which includes intimate fraternization with the local females (stickman refers to these mongers as "naughty boys"). he often gives the impression that he would prefer if thailand were free of these unwanted vacationers and that thailand would be a far better place without such seedy fellows.

perhaps he has a point but one wonders who actually makes up the readership demographic of his blog / website. judging from the girly photos and call girl adverts which adorn his site, it seems to me that it is the very same naughty boys (like myself) that make up the bulk of his readership. the holier than thou attitude which in my opinion stickman projects with regard to those mongers that visit thailand certainly seems to color his opinion with regard to gogo bars and the influx of agency girls (coyotes) that are now sadly becoming an all too regular feature of the scene in bangkok and elsewhere.

sure he is correct that the general thai population is becoming a little more wealthy generally speaking and that women (from the poorer parts of the country) now have some more options in life other than earning their living with their legs spread and that is indeed a good thing. however, if with prices continuously rising and with a lack of good quality girls entering the industry, it seems to me that it is only a matter of time before thailand becomes a far less popular place for guys to visit. i believe that this is already beginning to happen. what with political instability and rising prices, thailand is becoming a far less attractive place for everyone (including mongers) to visit. i notice that stickman is preparing (yet again) to leave thailand. i for one will not be sad to see him go. hopefully this will also mean an end to his hypocritical blog which appears to condemn the same individuals that regularly read said website and consequently put money in his pocket.

congratulations on 1000+ posts by the way.

[Hiihii]

I've also heard rumors about money laundering. Could be true. Could be a story that started because of his ethnicity.

Did you notice today's Stuckman Weekly touted the coyotes claiming they may save the gogo bar business. Or should we start calling them coyote bars? Part of his reasoning is coyotes are more attractive which will be more pleasing to ladies, couples and casual tourists who want to just gawk at the spectacle. I would hardly describe that as saving the business. That would be (is) a new business model, catering to a different market segment. Are there dwindling numbers of mongers shopping in the gogos? In December my hotel room looked down on NEP. It did not look very busy, even on Fridays and Saturdays. If this is the case, might a smaller number of bars follow the old model while other bars will emerge featuring coyotes for customers with no interest in bar fining the ladies?

Coyotes faces are no better or worse on avg than any other groups of girls. Few are pretty most are not!

What stands out is a lot of coyotes are stick thin-very unattractive seeing a stick in a DALLAS cowboys cheerleader type outfit with way too much make-up on.

Nana coyotes have no chance-guys don't happen to walk by. Guys who go to Nana know where they are going.

[Paul Kausch]

The Arabs bars still have hookers but just not all of the girls. I don't see evidence of getting rid of prostitution.

I heard the bars don't have to make money as used for laundering. This came from someone quite senior working in cowboy for many years, like a bar manager. We did not discuss the Arab's other business. I think the story makes sense even if we can't be sure it's true, but certainly looks like many of his bars are not busy. Cowboy 2 maybe doing better than some of the others.

I've also heard rumors about money laundering. Could be true. Could be a story that started because of his ethnicity.

Did you notice today's Stuckman Weekly touted the coyotes claiming they may save the gogo bar business. Or should we start calling them coyote bars? Part of his reasoning is coyotes are more attractive which will be more pleasing to ladies, couples and casual tourists who want to just gawk at the spectacle. I would hardly describe that as saving the business. That would be (is) a new business model, catering to a different market segment. Are there dwindling numbers of mongers shopping in the gogos? In December my hotel room looked down on NEP. It did not look very busy, even on Fridays and Saturdays. If this is the case, might a smaller number of bars follow the old model while other bars will emerge featuring coyotes for customers with no interest in bar fining the ladies?

[Syzygies]

I seem to remember hearing or reading the the "Arab," who is actually Iranian, is one by one taking over venues; and that his goal is to get rid of the "prostitution" aspect of the gogos. In other words, no more bar fines. He wants what I think of as old fashion strip clubs with booze. Anyone else hear anything about this.

I think it will be difficult to pull this off. If he temporarily succeeds someone will open a gogo, encourage bar fines and thrive; others will follow suit. Am I wrong to this way?

The Arabs bars still have hookers but just not all of the girls. I don't see evidence of getting rid of prostitution.

I heard the bars don't have to make money as used for laundering. This came from someone quite senior working in cowboy for many years, like a bar manager. We did not discuss the Arab's other business. I think the story makes sense even if we can't be sure it's true, but certainly looks like many of his bars are not busy. Cowboy 2 maybe doing better than some of the others.

[Bunky]

Have been hitting a few go-gos the past few nights.

Superb report!

Thanks much for taking the time to post.

Bunky

[Member #4387]

The G club girls typically make a base around 1500 bahts per shift, and the Coyote Go Go's about 900, and regular Go Gos approx 600. Plus more on lady drinks (minus any quota related penalities) but when you add it all up .its not going to allow them to live the high life. So it must be very intoxicating when a hottie realizes she can make 8 to 10 times that in a month, and she can now go into Terminal 21 and spend like she's a Hi So. The Coyote working Fantasia I mentioned a number of weeks back went from a "no barfine" girl to the most over the top "please please take me" girl in a matter of 2 to 3 weeks, and this girl is hot enough to easily make 100k to 200k a month, long long legs and very very sexy dancing style, basically G club level.

A couple of months back I was visiting G Club "Pimp" and picked up a girl willing to join me for some fun towards the clubs closing time. She was pretty consistent she made 2k per shift as her base salary. Maby the pimp girls have salary according to how good they are in making customers spend top dollars? She stated she normaly earned around 3K (incl tip and drinks) and did from 10 to 20 shifts per month. As there for sure are many beauties in this location bare in mind they have no preassure from the managment to go with customers whatsoever. It is up to them girls if they want or not and for those interested in pricenegotiations upfront I am sure you can do that but probably not a good sign starting to haggle for 3 or 4K bhat compensation if you spend like 10. 20k in the club. In my case there was no such thing but ofcourse she got her compensation / gift the morning after (don't remember if it was 3, 4 or 5k I gave her but for good LT play I never go below 3).

[Hiihii]

The G club girls typically make a base around 1500 bahts per shift, and the Coyote Go Go's about 900, and regular Go Gos approx 600. Plus more on lady drinks (minus any quota related penalities) but when you add it all up .its not going to allow them to live the high life. So it must be very intoxicating when a hottie realizes she can make 8 to 10 times that in a month, and she can now go into Terminal 21 and spend like she's a Hi So. The Coyote working Fantasia I mentioned a number of weeks back went from a "no barfine" girl to the most over the top "please please take me" girl in a matter of 2 to 3 weeks, and this girl is hot enough to easily make 100k to 200k a month, long long legs and very very sexy dancing style, basically G club level.

You losing me again. I've noticed the hot girls rarely do the take me take me thing. They usually just wait till they are called-sexy dancing not required.

I wonder what you see as hot. Can you give more example of R4 girls you think is hot.

The money is definately intoxicating but the girl does have to deal with being a sex object. Not many girls have this skill set over a long period of time. Burn out or just getting old is not easy to handle.

[Syzygies]

CH is the best 2nd tier bar is what DR R meant to say.

1. Their nudes are way better than their non-nude- an anomoly.

2. CH nudes are stunners compared to those found at Spunkies, Susie wings, and Dollhouse.

3. Ch may be number 1 as far as value goes. Ogling costs only 90 baht.

The non-nude dancers, either have scars, stretch marks etc. To hide or not good tits, etc. The pussy is still on display so that means there is something else needs hiding.

The girls are paid a higher salary. This helps attract better looking girls. Some are selling a lot of drinks.

Value it is. Best place for a look. Not necessarily best place to BF a girl. Some have very bad personalities, e. G. #94 and #91.

I BFed 2 girls. One a newbie who was quite okay for a newbie and improving, and another with big tits, who was barely a pass on the bed. Just fuckable.

My advice, is go for a look, but most likely screw a girl from elsewhere, unless manage to find one of the sweeter girls (not many).