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[Mr Ho]

Like it did for Ron Jeremy?

I think Ron Jeremy is there to feed the demand for washed out monster fucking young babes kinda thing and his appearance may represent many american porn viewers, obesity type.

Pierre Woodman at his peak of castings are the way I like it in FKK and escort.

[Mr Ho]

You may be right about Artemis since I don't know it. But I can assure you that this kind of the situation will not happen in an ethnic-German owned club. My view that the owner makes the club culture is in the context of the ethnic-German owned clubs vs the non-ethnic-German owned clubs and that the owner of the ethnic-German owned club makes his club culture.

Well, the owner is Germany born Turkish owner, some say they are Kurdish, who knows, but they are not owned by Germans.

Owner may want to make club culture, but I know there are some price cartel between girls in some clubs like do not do this and that for 50 euro 30 min session etc, kind of fixed rule between girls kind of thing.

I agree with you about owner make club culture in some clubs like Globe Zurich, I only been there once, but it is as they say for service and owner put such rule in exchange for higher rate and it is deliver to clients as owner want with my limited experience there. It is Swiss owner too I think.

[Bfsie]

In some clubs girls take big part in making club culture too. Like at Artemis, owner had good control over girls in positive sense of word, but after massive raid and arrest, girls tend to be more free and took control of the club culture at Artemis.

You may be right about Artemis since I don't know it. But I can assure you that this kind of the situation will not happen in an ethnic-German owned club. My view that the owner makes the club culture is in the context of the ethnic-German owned clubs vs the non-ethnic-German owned clubs and that the owner of the ethnic-German owned club makes his club culture.

[Mr Ho]

For its time, it was ingenious yes. But times, and technology change. So I am not so sure it is the perfect way these days. But that would just be experimental theories. Normally these structures last way beyond its times. But now we start seeing fractures in it. In regards to #metoo and feminists ideas to bad p6 for example. And that is where I kind of see pure monogamy as the base problem. Because some men will always be left out. Thomas Aquinas wrote about p6, and I suppose more people should read what he wrote.

Monogamy sound very romantic thing because we are raised that way through our home education, movies, TV, radio, in school, religion and so on. It was conducted this way to serve interest of many parties including general public, society and government etc. It was good for everybody when information and entertainment was limited.

However, time changed in recent era. Now some of us men knows that there are other ways for happiness in this modern world. It is less limited to live like king or maharaja or so called ruling class live many years ago. Also now, with invention and liberal access to once military technology called internet, we can communicate to each other about many subjects, which include sex life without disclosing our identity, this was big shift also I think. There are still many people even on this forum, who are still strongly boxed in with certain set thinking that are installed as we grew up. It maybe due to self righteousness or lack of knowing themselves or not able to see themselves or think for themselves.

I would say, we now finally live in the world where we could be more or less free, even with our sex life if we are willing to explore it, so I would say, let explore it and enjoy freedom instead of boxed in the set ideology that has been enforced for many centuries. Even with feminist pressures, BBBJ law etc. , we men are free now as we have ever been. Sex revolution happen slowly and it got its up and down, but now we have won our freedom more or less. I would prefer it if it become even more liberal to serve my interest as monger, but I cannot complain at all about current situation.

[Pistons]

The "big evolutionary picture," as I pointed out, is that the evolutionary adaptations that yielded man from pre-man were in the direction of enabling, rewarding, and expanding cooperative intelligent behaviors. Humans didn't develop language so that men would become more predatory, and women more like victims. Humans didn't develop empathy and a capacity for theory of mind to become more predatory. These breakthroughs in cognition contribute to a move AWAY from predation.

Exactly! I liked this post of yours. At least the parts where you stayed away from shaming illusional traits you project onto the discussion.

So, then humans should be able to solve these problems we are faced with as a society. Such as #metoo. Such as trafficing, prostitution. Such as child abusers etc etc. But we don't seem to be! We have cardinals in the vatican abusing chior boys! That is where we are today with these great inventions of language, empathy, religion (cult behavior and box generalizations) and cognition!

So how would you solve these things?

Pointing out that there are predatory instincts left in us from before we invented these things is just that. Pointing out a problem. It is not the same as saying it is the way to go forward. I have a feeling certain people here on the forum forum complaining about 'support groups' and stuff just fails to understand the discussion.

Perhaps your generation is getting too old to solve these issues, and we have to wait for the next. A younger brother generation. LOL!

[Pistons]

However, this almost brainwash conducted by society to masses are good thing to sustain society. Without it, society won't be able to sustain its social securities, balance etc. Whoever thought about this system is genius and they did allow escape path, where we mongers can play and be free too, so it is all fair enough system if one can think for themselves and have will to explore it. I guess the ones who made this system too wanted to do that, so left the escape path.

For its time, it was ingenious yes. But times, and technology change. So I am not so sure it is the perfect way these days. But that would just be experimental theories. Normally these structures last way beyond its times. But now we start seeing fractures in it. In regards to #metoo and feminists ideas to bad p6 for example. And that is where I kind of see pure monogamy as the base problem. Because some men will always be left out. Thomas Aquinas wrote about p6, and I suppose more people should read what he wrote.

[Neurosynth]

It certainly makes nonsense out of game theory or any theory that assumes all parties are seeking the best deals for themselves. You have to widen the context beyond immediate selfishness and see the big evolutionary picture.

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The "big evolutionary picture," as I pointed out, is that the evolutionary adaptations that yielded man from pre-man were in the direction of enabling, rewarding, and expanding cooperative intelligent behaviors. Humans didn't develop language so that men would become more predatory, and women more like victims. Humans didn't develop empathy and a capacity for theory of mind to become more predatory. These breakthroughs in cognition contribute to a move AWAY from predation.

And while it's true that women still prefer men who have (material, bodily, cognitive) resources to create a safe environment for raising children, the point is that women (indeed all humans) want safety. And predatory men are the opposite of safety.

Now, of course, specific women may have distorted behaviors and / or cognition in the other direction. But women who turn to prostitution are not a good random sample of the population. They frequently have control issues and daddy issues and histories of (physical, mental, drug) abuse and so on. They are accordingly individuals who have been driven to the thin tails of the behavioral bell cure.

This kind of Ayn Rand, "survival of the fittest," quasi-scientific, libertarian, "nasty, brutish and short," so called evolutionary (but not really) thinking is not science. It's projection. It's the projection of fear and anger, and it offers false cynicism disguised as (fake) fact-based sophistication.

To be sure there are some women who seem to actively seek out abusers. They seem to relish the role of being prey. But they are the opposite of the norm. They are, in fact, psychologically damaged and exhibit radically atypical behavior.

[Takedown]

I agree with you. I think many readers and posters agree with you too.

Unfortunately it's probably the silent majority. There's a triad that feed off each other, a support group if you will.

[Gino02]

Like it did for Ron Jeremy?

Good catch, but is Ron Jeremy an average male pornstar or an exception compared to thousands of other male pornstars?

[Bfsie]

I've tried and determine it's not possible due to decades psychological trauma.

"Little Brother Syndrome: When one person feels they have a rivalry with another far superior person.

This definition of Little Brother Syndrome may be related to, or even a consequence of another definition of Little Brother Syndrome wherein a person vies for attention to make up for feeling under-appreciated. "

I agree with you. I think many readers and posters agree with you too.

[Samplerr]

Maybe it can even solve America's (and world's) obesity problem in 5-10 years?

Like it did for Ron Jeremy?

[Mr Ho]

Exactly! If all the girls (and guys) in the world understood how good of a sport active sex is for both body and mind, the world would be so much happier healthier place, and much less violence.

Yes, but they will never understand because they are too caught up in so called society norms that are installed during our upbringing in school, media and several areas of societies in general. It is form of brainwash that take away ability to think for themselves. But some mongers managed to realize something wrong and began thinking for themselves for their well being.

However, this almost brainwash conducted by society to masses are good thing to sustain society. Without it, society won't be able to sustain its social securities, balance etc. Whoever thought about this system is genius and they did allow escape path, where we mongers can play and be free too, so it is all fair enough system if one can think for themselves and have will to explore it. I guess the ones who made this system too wanted to do that, so left the escape path.

[Sirioja]

Exactly! If all the girls (and guys) in the world understood how good of a sport active sex is for both body and mind, the world would be so much happier healthier place, and much less violence. We mongers are the pioneers to that Great New World, happy to both sponsor the sex sports and partake in it.

Maybe it can even solve America's (and world's) obesity problem in 5-10 years?

From my real life experiences with nearly 20 years with different girlfriends and also speaking with their girl friends, or women at work or when doing sport, I learned usually women are not running for sex, but they are running when they get pleasure. If a guy is able to give pleasure to his girl, most of time she will ask him for again, she will not tell about headache or period, even had bloody rooms at Mainhattan, Globe and GT where little fire screamed when seeing her blood on my face. Some WGs know with who they get pleasure, maybe why they return first to these guys.

About prostitution, it is a social role in society, men need sex, I need pleasure.

[Pistons]

Exactly! If all the girls (and guys) in the world understood how good of a sport active sex is for both body and mind, the world would be so much happier healthier place, and much less violence. We mongers are the pioneers to that Great New World, happy to both sponsor the sex sports and partake in it.

Maybe it can even solve America's (and world's) obesity problem in 5-10 years?

Indeed. Think of it as a stipend given to top athletes. However, in retrospect to having shown talent in the first place and having been picked up by a college.

Or just as a stipend given to a doctorate student who wants to pursue his furthering of his or hers educational career.

Or as a grant given with ingenious entrepreneurial ideas. Also after the application for the grant is made.

In all cases, there is a high propensity for post hoc aid, or grants as opposed to ad hoc.

And the idea is evolutionary positive in regards to Darwinism and the human species.

Plus what you said.

[Pistons]

Yeah, it's absurd and it's paradoxical but there's a lot of truth to it and that's what makes women so hard to understand and life hard to understand.

One thing women are attracted to is a guy who can bargain well. It's because they perceive that in a capitalist society, or pretty much any society for the past few thousand years, negotiating skill confers wealth. It isn't enough for a guy to be rich if the qualities of wealth accumulation cannot be passed onto the offspring. So many girls enjoy testing a guy by bargaining over stuff (services like BBBJ being one example). The paradoxical thing is that she is more turned on if she ends up with a bad deal than a good deal. In this way bargaining with a girl is totally different than bargaining with a guy and it will screw with your head if you do not understand it. It certainly makes nonsense out of game theory or any theory that assumes all parties are seeking the best deals for themselves.

Well put response. My comment there was meant to create a bit of fuzz. Because of it paradoxical nature. But truth is, quite a few girls does get turned on by these things Neurosynth petitions about. Something which seems like madness from a guys point of view having been brought up in Europe or USA the past 50 years.

However, I do know girls outside of FKK's even too. LOL. And have spotted some of these absurdities, or kinks in women. I believe they are ingrained in the subconscious mind from very long ago. Several tens of thousand, if not hundred of thousands of years ago. Due to the rations I gave.

However, teaching about these kind of things is what can ban you from entering so called 'liberal' countries like Australia. LOL! Like the american renowned pick up artist Julien Blanc got to experience.

https://www.theguardian.com/australi...ustralian-tour

And yes, these things are backed by anthropological studies as well.

The idea is that it is evolutionary advantageous for women to get r_aped. Perhaps due to gene spread instead of one male inseminating all the females. Something which would easily lead to inbreeding. This is shown here in a study that shows how females who got targeted without their will, had a significantly higher change of getting pregnant than the women who wanted to have sex:

https://link.springer.com/article/10...110-003-1014-0

Another theory talks about how female psychopathy and sexual arousal towards being beaten (a male never beats more than the bare minimum in order to have sex) has evolutionary advantageous for the females babies. Because men will choose her if she enjoys that type of sex. And because her offspring will be males who r_ape, and women with the same psychopathic tendencies, or kinks.