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[Pistons]

However, this almost brainwash conducted by society to masses are good thing to sustain society. Without it, society won't be able to sustain its social securities, balance etc. Whoever thought about this system is genius and they did allow escape path, where we mongers can play and be free too, so it is all fair enough system if one can think for themselves and have will to explore it. I guess the ones who made this system too wanted to do that, so left the escape path.

For its time, it was ingenious yes. But times, and technology change. So I am not so sure it is the perfect way these days. But that would just be experimental theories. Normally these structures last way beyond its times. But now we start seeing fractures in it. In regards to #metoo and feminists ideas to bad p6 for example. And that is where I kind of see pure monogamy as the base problem. Because some men will always be left out. Thomas Aquinas wrote about p6, and I suppose more people should read what he wrote.

[Neurosynth]

It certainly makes nonsense out of game theory or any theory that assumes all parties are seeking the best deals for themselves. You have to widen the context beyond immediate selfishness and see the big evolutionary picture.

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The "big evolutionary picture," as I pointed out, is that the evolutionary adaptations that yielded man from pre-man were in the direction of enabling, rewarding, and expanding cooperative intelligent behaviors. Humans didn't develop language so that men would become more predatory, and women more like victims. Humans didn't develop empathy and a capacity for theory of mind to become more predatory. These breakthroughs in cognition contribute to a move AWAY from predation.

And while it's true that women still prefer men who have (material, bodily, cognitive) resources to create a safe environment for raising children, the point is that women (indeed all humans) want safety. And predatory men are the opposite of safety.

Now, of course, specific women may have distorted behaviors and / or cognition in the other direction. But women who turn to prostitution are not a good random sample of the population. They frequently have control issues and daddy issues and histories of (physical, mental, drug) abuse and so on. They are accordingly individuals who have been driven to the thin tails of the behavioral bell cure.

This kind of Ayn Rand, "survival of the fittest," quasi-scientific, libertarian, "nasty, brutish and short," so called evolutionary (but not really) thinking is not science. It's projection. It's the projection of fear and anger, and it offers false cynicism disguised as (fake) fact-based sophistication.

To be sure there are some women who seem to actively seek out abusers. They seem to relish the role of being prey. But they are the opposite of the norm. They are, in fact, psychologically damaged and exhibit radically atypical behavior.

[Takedown]

I agree with you. I think many readers and posters agree with you too.

Unfortunately it's probably the silent majority. There's a triad that feed off each other, a support group if you will.

[Gino02]

Like it did for Ron Jeremy?

Good catch, but is Ron Jeremy an average male pornstar or an exception compared to thousands of other male pornstars?

[Bfsie]

I've tried and determine it's not possible due to decades psychological trauma.

"Little Brother Syndrome: When one person feels they have a rivalry with another far superior person.

This definition of Little Brother Syndrome may be related to, or even a consequence of another definition of Little Brother Syndrome wherein a person vies for attention to make up for feeling under-appreciated. "

I agree with you. I think many readers and posters agree with you too.

[Samplerr]

Maybe it can even solve America's (and world's) obesity problem in 5-10 years?

Like it did for Ron Jeremy?

[Mr Ho]

Exactly! If all the girls (and guys) in the world understood how good of a sport active sex is for both body and mind, the world would be so much happier healthier place, and much less violence.

Yes, but they will never understand because they are too caught up in so called society norms that are installed during our upbringing in school, media and several areas of societies in general. It is form of brainwash that take away ability to think for themselves. But some mongers managed to realize something wrong and began thinking for themselves for their well being.

However, this almost brainwash conducted by society to masses are good thing to sustain society. Without it, society won't be able to sustain its social securities, balance etc. Whoever thought about this system is genius and they did allow escape path, where we mongers can play and be free too, so it is all fair enough system if one can think for themselves and have will to explore it. I guess the ones who made this system too wanted to do that, so left the escape path.

[Sirioja]

Exactly! If all the girls (and guys) in the world understood how good of a sport active sex is for both body and mind, the world would be so much happier healthier place, and much less violence. We mongers are the pioneers to that Great New World, happy to both sponsor the sex sports and partake in it.

Maybe it can even solve America's (and world's) obesity problem in 5-10 years?

From my real life experiences with nearly 20 years with different girlfriends and also speaking with their girl friends, or women at work or when doing sport, I learned usually women are not running for sex, but they are running when they get pleasure. If a guy is able to give pleasure to his girl, most of time she will ask him for again, she will not tell about headache or period, even had bloody rooms at Mainhattan, Globe and GT where little fire screamed when seeing her blood on my face. Some WGs know with who they get pleasure, maybe why they return first to these guys.

About prostitution, it is a social role in society, men need sex, I need pleasure.

[Pistons]

Exactly! If all the girls (and guys) in the world understood how good of a sport active sex is for both body and mind, the world would be so much happier healthier place, and much less violence. We mongers are the pioneers to that Great New World, happy to both sponsor the sex sports and partake in it.

Maybe it can even solve America's (and world's) obesity problem in 5-10 years?

Indeed. Think of it as a stipend given to top athletes. However, in retrospect to having shown talent in the first place and having been picked up by a college.

Or just as a stipend given to a doctorate student who wants to pursue his furthering of his or hers educational career.

Or as a grant given with ingenious entrepreneurial ideas. Also after the application for the grant is made.

In all cases, there is a high propensity for post hoc aid, or grants as opposed to ad hoc.

And the idea is evolutionary positive in regards to Darwinism and the human species.

Plus what you said.

[Pistons]

Yeah, it's absurd and it's paradoxical but there's a lot of truth to it and that's what makes women so hard to understand and life hard to understand.

One thing women are attracted to is a guy who can bargain well. It's because they perceive that in a capitalist society, or pretty much any society for the past few thousand years, negotiating skill confers wealth. It isn't enough for a guy to be rich if the qualities of wealth accumulation cannot be passed onto the offspring. So many girls enjoy testing a guy by bargaining over stuff (services like BBBJ being one example). The paradoxical thing is that she is more turned on if she ends up with a bad deal than a good deal. In this way bargaining with a girl is totally different than bargaining with a guy and it will screw with your head if you do not understand it. It certainly makes nonsense out of game theory or any theory that assumes all parties are seeking the best deals for themselves.

Well put response. My comment there was meant to create a bit of fuzz. Because of it paradoxical nature. But truth is, quite a few girls does get turned on by these things Neurosynth petitions about. Something which seems like madness from a guys point of view having been brought up in Europe or USA the past 50 years.

However, I do know girls outside of FKK's even too. LOL. And have spotted some of these absurdities, or kinks in women. I believe they are ingrained in the subconscious mind from very long ago. Several tens of thousand, if not hundred of thousands of years ago. Due to the rations I gave.

However, teaching about these kind of things is what can ban you from entering so called 'liberal' countries like Australia. LOL! Like the american renowned pick up artist Julien Blanc got to experience.

https://www.theguardian.com/australi...ustralian-tour

And yes, these things are backed by anthropological studies as well.

The idea is that it is evolutionary advantageous for women to get r_aped. Perhaps due to gene spread instead of one male inseminating all the females. Something which would easily lead to inbreeding. This is shown here in a study that shows how females who got targeted without their will, had a significantly higher change of getting pregnant than the women who wanted to have sex:

https://link.springer.com/article/10...110-003-1014-0

Another theory talks about how female psychopathy and sexual arousal towards being beaten (a male never beats more than the bare minimum in order to have sex) has evolutionary advantageous for the females babies. Because men will choose her if she enjoys that type of sex. And because her offspring will be males who r_ape, and women with the same psychopathic tendencies, or kinks.

[Mr Ho]

Exactly! If all the girls (and guys) in the world understood how good of a sport active sex is for both body and mind, the world would be so much happier healthier place, and much less violence. We mongers are the pioneers to that Great New World, happy to both sponsor the sex sports and partake in it.

Maybe it can even solve America's (and world's) obesity problem in 5-10 years?

Most of us think like that, but they tend to think the opposite. It was like this, it is like this and it will always be like this. The system is design to sustain society and liberal acts of sex is not good for such system. At least, solution is provided because enforcing side also are in need of liberal sex too.

[Gino02]

Edit: It is also not to aid the WG's as per say. But aid to the girls. Where the transaction medium is the WG's part. Like giving prize money to an athlete.

Exactly! If all the girls (and guys) in the world understood how good of a sport active sex is for both body and mind, the world would be so much happier healthier place, and much less violence. We mongers are the pioneers to that Great New World, happy to both sponsor the sex sports and partake in it.

Maybe it can even solve America's (and world's) obesity problem in 5-10 years?

[Mr Ho]

The club staffs don't make the club culture and the owner does, so the only thing that matters with regards to WG's service is the owner of the club.

In some clubs girls take big part in making club culture too. Like at Artemis, owner had good control over girls in positive sense of word, but after massive raid and arrest, girls tend to be more free and took control of the club culture at Artemis. I think this is partly due to defense mechanism of the owner because investigation leading to arrest first began by one of the girl giving information to authority, which much later turned out to be mostly false on part of this girl, she mostly did that to get back on owner and also boyfriend reportedly biker who was trying to dump her. So naturally, after such big raid by police, arrest and held in jail for bogus charges for long time followed by court cases, if you are the owner, you will be careful about how you deal with girls, so now girls are much more free to do whatever they want in such club where there is no order any more.

This is sad because order that was there before was mild one with discipline, so it is not like media tried to portrayed. Good thing is girls do have their own way to keep some kind of order in club to make clients come back, but for those who knew the golden days, it is still miserable to accept some of the deals girls offer. You can still find reasonable deal which serve both parties because some girls are still fair enough, but for me what is annoying is all this negotiation before each session, it is almost like arguing with con man trying to hustle you into some fraud as if you do not know FKK.

All in all, it is what it is and we monger just have to deal with it and we do still get what we want after annoying negotiations, so still it is not one sided deal as long as you negotiate for each things you want to do. I still miss and love the golden days of FKK where there was set house rule both clients and girls agreed, this was total fair trade era of FKK, now it is out there to negotiate.

[Polyamorist]

Evolution has made it advantageous for women to handpick the most predatory male specimens to give them children. So much so that it turns them on the more predatory men are. Because it then means their male offspring will also turn predatory. So in an evolutionary sense, predatory is highly positive.

This is clearly absurd. The premise that leads to this absurdity is your notion that predatory activity by men turns on women.

Yeah, it's absurd and it's paradoxical but there's a lot of truth to it and that's what makes women so hard to understand and life hard to understand.

One thing women are attracted to is a guy who can bargain well. It's because they perceive that in a capitalist society, or pretty much any society for the past few thousand years, negotiating skill confers wealth. It isn't enough for a guy to be rich if the qualities of wealth accumulation cannot be passed onto the offspring. So many girls enjoy testing a guy by bargaining over stuff (services like BBBJ being one example). The paradoxical thing is that she is more turned on if she ends up with a bad deal than a good deal. In this way bargaining with a girl is totally different than bargaining with a guy and it will screw with your head if you do not understand it. It certainly makes nonsense out of game theory or any theory that assumes all parties are seeking the best deals for themselves. You have to widen the context beyond immediate selfishness and see the big evolutionary picture.

The saddest thing is that all this makes women vulnerable to exploitation by a**holes like loverboys who give them the worst deal possible.

The appendix in our bodies reminds us that evolution isn't always up-to-date.

[Neurosynth]

Who says predatory is bad? Evolution has made it advantageous for women to handpick the most predatory male specimens to give them children. So much so that it turns them on the more predatory men are. Because it then means their male offspring will also turn predatory. So in an evolutionary sense, predatory is highly positive. But of course, some people try to change this into a negative for their own cultist agendas. But mainly due to population control. So that is why it is easy to jump to the defense and claim we are not predatory. Although as mentioned above. Unless you are predatory, women shouldn't really want you due to lack of evolutionary benefits.

As is so often the case, your pet theories here are really just rationalizations to justify your own selfish impulses.

By your logic r_ape should be impossible. Because, after all, r_apists are the ultimate sexual predators. And you claim women are turned on "the more predatory men are. " So women should be turned on by r_apists more than any other men. But if they are maximally turned on, and so maximally attracted, how can it be r_ape?

This is clearly absurd. The premise that leads to this absurdity is your notion that predatory activity by men turns on women.

Do you know any actual women?

But more to the point, do you know anything about actual science? There are all manner of genetic adaptations that steer our species towards cooperative social behavior. Examples include our capacity for language and other complex social behaviors, instinctual drives to protect children including other people's children, and our capacity for empathy and a "theory of mind" in others.

I'd be more tolerant of your poorly informed opinions if they weren't delivered in such an overly confident condescending manner.