Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[Elvis 2008]

Why Ukraine would risk everything over joining a corrupt organization,(NAtO), beats me. They can have NATO, we should pull out, let Ukraine have NATO. Ukraine Government and NATO are a match made in heaven, they deserve each other.

Ukraine government should have been focused on fixing their own corruption and finding common ground with Putin, too easy.

DF, only thing I can think of is the Ukrainians at the top were looking to cash in on USA Aid. Glenn Greenwald had someone on his podcast who said the USA defense contractors used Afghanistan to launder money and that is gone now. Now I guess they will use Ukraine. The money being thrown at the defense industry now is fucking nuts.

Yeah, I want out of NATO too. What return do we get on our investment? Russia is a joke. China is the real threat.

[WyattEarp]

When Russian President Vladimir Putin built up forces outside Ukraine and asked repeatedly for assurances that Ukraine would not be brought into NATO, an alliance aimed at Russia, the Biden administration refused

This continues to be a massive oversimplification to shoe horn into a narrative. Before the Ukraine invasion, I think NATO members were either looking to wind down or at a minimum redirect their focus away from the East.

In any event, was NATO really a direct threat to Russia or was it actually a threat to Russia's ability to try to reassemble parts of the Russian empire? We also have the Russian military continually encroaching on their neighbors' territory throughout the 2000's. If the Russians aren't stepping over borders, they are meddling in their neighbors' politics.

Let's pack all the baggage, shall we.

[Xpartan]

Well said. There are a group of spammers here, either paid by Israel or just dumb as American Democrats (think of all the wars they have foisted on us). They are here to defend actual Nazis and to pretend Odessa is an open city. Ukrainian soldiers are being slaughtered because of these criminals.

So what happens when the most despicable Russian shill Merdo Immorales gets caught on 3 vicious lies.

He finds nothing better to do but accuse me of a) getting paid by Israel or b) being a dumb American Democrat.

Well, folks, I must say: Dumbo, pardon me, Merdo didn't think it through (well, he never does).

If he did, he would ask himself or some father figure like Golfinho or Elvis, why the state of Israel would pay me to tarnish (LOL) that impeccable reputation of Russia and its Eternal Leader. Israel works harder than ever to maintain good relationship with Russia (which, unfortunately, can't be helped considering Middle East's geopolitical realities).

I mean, why Israel? Maybe I'm getting paid by America, UK, EU, Japan, Australia, or the United Federation of the Terra Excelsior Republic (yeah, look it up)?

But no, it's got to be Israel. Just like Merdo has got to be Merdo.

As for being a dumb American Democrat, that won't fly either. Americans disgust for Putin and his war is bipartisan. Remember these beautiful American HIMARS that Ukrainians have been using to blow Russian arms and fuel depots to high heaven? That's what bipartisan means. Land lease. Yeah, baby.

I mean, there aren't many deviants like you, Drama Queen, Golfinho or Elvis. Seriously. I know you go to forums and people like you are everywhere, but that's only because you guys are scared of sunlight, LOL.

The thing is, unlike you, I can't be completely sure that you're a paid shill for Russia. I mean, you talk like a paid shill, walk like a paid shill, quack like a paid shill, but are you a paid shill? I just don't have the facts.

You may be a fascist. Or a Nazi. There is a difference, like between HIV and AIDS. In that case, your adoration of Putin is natural. Organic even.

Or you may be a sadist deriving pleasure every time Ukrainian men, women and children are murdered.

Or you may be both.

Or you may be a sadistic fascist paid shill -- who says you can't take pleasure from your job, right?

Zig heil, tovarisch.

[Xpartan]

Well said. There are a group of spammers here, either paid by Israel or just dumb as American Democrats (think of all the wars they have foisted on us).

So folks, what are we getting here?

Tu quoque (Latin Tū quoque, for "you also") is a discussion technique that intends to discredit the opponent's argument by attacking the opponent's own personal behavior and actions as being inconsistent with their argument, therefore accusing hypocrisy. This specious reasoning is a special type of ad hominem attack. The Oxford English Dictionary cites John Cooke's 1614 stage play The Cittie Gallant as the earliest use of the term in the English language. "Whataboutism" is one particularly well known modern instance of this technique.

Whataboutism or whataboutery denotes in a pejorative sense a procedure in which a critical question or argument is not answered or discussed, but retorted with a critical counter-question which expresses a counter-accusation. From a logical and argumentative point of view it is considered a variant of the Tu-quoque pattern (Latin 'you too', term for a counter-accusation), which is a subtype of the Ad-hominem argument.

Easy-peasy.

[DramaFree11]

https://cnsnews.com/commentary/patri...-so-pugnacious

When Russian President Vladimir Putin built up forces outside Ukraine and asked repeatedly for assurances that Ukraine would not be brought into NATO, an alliance aimed at Russia, the Biden administration refused.

The February invasion followed, and among Biden's subsequent threats, his call for the removal of Putin was virtually declared a war aim.

I like the Australian journalist who said that Americans like Biden do not give a damn about the Ukrainian people.

We saw the real reason for this war last week.

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/the-gr...utm_medium=web

Fast forward to last week. As January 6th hearings, a presidential fist-bump, and a Kardashian spawn's gender reveal gobbled attention, the House quietly passed a monster $839 billion defense package. It was "the definition of a bipartisan bill," chirped Alabama's Mike Rogers, as 180 Democrats and 149 Republicans joined to smash by tens of billions previous records for military spending. With this already underreported story, just one news outlet, Roll Call, described a "first of its kind" report published by the Department of Defense Comptroller's office, which revealed at least $58 billion of "congressional additions" above Joe Biden's budget request.

Both the triumphant return of the earmark and the enormous defense hike should have been big stories. To put $58 billion (at least) in defense "increases" in context, the amount of overall federal earmarks in 2006, the infamous year that prompted so much outrage, was said to be $26 billion. Meanwhile Biden's one-year arms increase exceeds the pace of Donald Trump's infamous $200 billion collective defense hike between 2017-2019. These are major surges past the levels of both pork and weapons spending that had progressives roaring for "change," yet there's almost zero outcry now. Why?

So war is good again.

Why Ukraine would risk everything over joining a corrupt organization,(NAtO), beats me. They can have NATO, we should pull out, let Ukraine have NATO. Ukraine Government and NATO are a match made in heaven, they deserve each other.

Ukraine government should have been focused on fixing their own corruption and finding common ground with Putin, too easy.

[Golfinho]

You go away twerp. This is a decades long, long established American owned website forum from the early 1990's until now. You wouldn't have a place to post your Russo propping rubbish if not for us and our principles of free speech. These are the same principles Central and Eastern Europe want as opposed to the dark world of Putin and what they suffered under the USSR. Move to Russia and run your mouth in anyway outside the parameters of govt propaganda and spend 15 years breaking rocks in Siberia.

P.S. Russia has been breaking agreements all along, is why they call this war a "special military operation." And yes bombing port cities is at odds with the grain agreement. That's not to mention the war crimes involved with the targeting and executing of civilians as well as deportations and modern day concentration camps.

You poor, deluded thing. What color's the sky where you are?

[Questner]

Exactly he is idiot. He hates everything. War is Hell, but he does not want to negotiate.

My mistake was to reply to BM on my own Ignore list as I scrolled without prior logging in. At least 'stupid' threads may allow to post opinions with less risk of being deleted by a moderator.

[Riina]

This is a decades long, long established American owned website forum from the early 1990's until now. You wouldn't have a place to post your Russo propping rubbish if not for us and our principles of free speech.

I'm pretty sure the servers here are in eastern Europe. I guess we're not free enough.

[Elvis 2008]

https://cnsnews.com/commentary/patri...-so-pugnacious

When Russian President Vladimir Putin built up forces outside Ukraine and asked repeatedly for assurances that Ukraine would not be brought into NATO, an alliance aimed at Russia, the Biden administration refused.

The February invasion followed, and among Biden's subsequent threats, his call for the removal of Putin was virtually declared a war aim.

I like the Australian journalist who said that Americans like Biden do not give a damn about the Ukrainian people.

We saw the real reason for this war last week.

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/the-gr...utm_medium=web

Fast forward to last week. As January 6th hearings, a presidential fist-bump, and a Kardashian spawn's gender reveal gobbled attention, the House quietly passed a monster $839 billion defense package. It was "the definition of a bipartisan bill," chirped Alabama's Mike Rogers, as 180 Democrats and 149 Republicans joined to smash by tens of billions previous records for military spending. With this already underreported story, just one news outlet, Roll Call, described a "first of its kind" report published by the Department of Defense Comptroller's office, which revealed at least $58 billion of "congressional additions" above Joe Biden's budget request.

Both the triumphant return of the earmark and the enormous defense hike should have been big stories. To put $58 billion (at least) in defense "increases" in context, the amount of overall federal earmarks in 2006, the infamous year that prompted so much outrage, was said to be $26 billion. Meanwhile Biden's one-year arms increase exceeds the pace of Donald Trump's infamous $200 billion collective defense hike between 2017-2019. These are major surges past the levels of both pork and weapons spending that had progressives roaring for "change," yet there's almost zero outcry now. Why?

So war is good again.

[PedroMorales]

Go away with your ignorant trolling. You have not read two bilateral agreements. Moreover, you have no stake in the conflict. Without folks like yourself there would have never even been such a conflict. Everything your country touches turns into rot and death. Go away.

Well said. There are a group of spammers here, either paid by Israel or just dumb as American Democrats (think of all the wars they have foisted on us). They are here to defend actual Nazis and to pretend Odessa is an open city. Ukrainian soldiers are being slaughtered because of these criminals.

[Paulie97]

Go away with your ignorant trolling. You have not read two bilateral agreements. Moreover, you have no stake in the conflict. Without folks like yourself there would have never even been such a conflict. Everything your country touches turns into rot and death. Go away.

You go away twerp. This is a decades long, long established American owned website forum from the early 1990's until now. You wouldn't have a place to post your Russo propping rubbish if not for us and our principles of free speech. These are the same principles Central and Eastern Europe want as opposed to the dark world of Putin and what they suffered under the USSR. Move to Russia and run your mouth in anyway outside the parameters of govt propaganda and spend 15 years breaking rocks in Siberia.

P.S. Russia has been breaking agreements all along, is why they call this war a "special military operation." And yes bombing port cities is at odds with the grain agreement. That's not to mention the war crimes involved with the targeting and executing of civilians as well as deportations and modern day concentration camps.

[DramaFree11]

Go away with your ignorant trolling. You have not read two bilateral agreements. Moreover, you have no stake in the conflict. Without folks like yourself there would have never even been such a conflict. Everything your country touches turns into rot and death. Go away.

Exactly he is idiot. He hates everything. War is Hell, but he does not want to negotiate.

[Questner]

Despite signing a grain export deal yesterday, Russia hit the port of Odessa with two missiles (a few other missiles were downed by the Ukraine air defense system).

Attacking Odessa ports used for grain export is a direct violation of the deal.

Why, oh why no one in their sound mind can trust anything Russia says and anything it signs?

Got to be russophobia, what else can it be?

Go away with your ignorant trolling. You have not read two bilateral agreements. Moreover, you have no stake in the conflict. Without folks like yourself there would have never even been such a conflict. Everything your country touches turns into rot and death. Go away.

[Xpartan]

Despite signing a grain export deal yesterday, Russia hit the port of Odessa with two missiles (a few other missiles were downed by the Ukraine air defense system).

Attacking Odessa ports used for grain export is a direct violation of the deal.

Why, oh why no one in their sound mind can trust anything Russia says and anything it signs?

Got to be russophobia, what else can it be?

[Riina]

I'm guessing two weeks before the Russians are at the river.