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  1. #1059

    141

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve9696  [View Original Post]
    Do tell. What is 141 and is it unique to HK?
    Google "Fuji Building, Hong Kong" or "141" with sex just before it.


    These are skyscraper blocks full of small rooms (brothels) all over the place. All legal in HK. To be seen to be believed. Not aware there are located in any other place.

  2. #1058

    Request: Explain 141

    Quote Originally Posted by Midwestern  [View Original Post]
    Your assessment of the HK scene is spot on, IMO. I was in HK last year, and the Wan Chai club scene was dead. A caveat is that I was there a bit early, around 11 pm and on a weekday, but it still means that it isn't what it used to be.

    The MP scene is just horrible.

    But the walkups (though it's now getting harder to find gems) and also the 141 action are still hopping.

    So, overall, I couldn't recommend HK just for the walkups and the 141 scene.

    BTW, if you guys haven't tried the 141 scene, you guys are missing out on a very unusual and crazy way to monger. This is off topic, so I won't bother describing it unless there's a request.
    Do tell. What is 141 and is it unique to HK?

  3. #1057
    Quote Originally Posted by Midwestern  [View Original Post]
    Your assessment of the HK scene is spot on, IMO. I was in HK last year, and the Wan Chai club scene was dead. A caveat is that I was there a bit early, around 11 pm and on a weekday, but it still means that it isn't what it used to be.

    The MP scene is just horrible.

    But the walkups (though it's now getting harder to find gems) and also the 141 action are still hopping.

    So, overall, I couldn't recommend HK just for the walkups and the 141 scene.

    BTW, if you guys haven't tried the 141 scene, you guys are missing out on a very unusual and crazy way to monger. This is off topic, so I won't bother describing it unless there's a request.
    Please, do share.

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  4. #1056

    Spot on

    Quote Originally Posted by WyattEarp  [View Original Post]
    Since it appears you are talking about the broader P4P category, has Hong Kong really gone downhill? For some reason, the Wan Chai hooker club scene has gone downhill. However, the walk-up scene had seemed to be going strong. I do realize the HK walk-up scene is impersonal and kind of wham-bam thank you ma'am affair. It is kind of fun though.
    Your assessment of the HK scene is spot on, IMO. I was in HK last year, and the Wan Chai club scene was dead. A caveat is that I was there a bit early, around 11 pm and on a weekday, but it still means that it isn't what it used to be.

    The MP scene is just horrible.

    But the walkups (though it's now getting harder to find gems) and also the 141 action are still hopping.

    So, overall, I couldn't recommend HK just for the walkups and the 141 scene.

    BTW, if you guys haven't tried the 141 scene, you guys are missing out on a very unusual and crazy way to monger. This is off topic, so I won't bother describing it unless there's a request.

  5. #1055
    Quote Originally Posted by Midwestern  [View Original Post]
    Good move, man. Have fun. I always feel that once you fucked a girl once, then you can usually fuck them again. Even when a year or two goes by. Even if she gets married or has a BF later. It's weird, man. It's almost as if the girl thinks, "I fucked him already, so what's the big deal if we fuck again. ".
    Haha, so true. That's why you can hook-up with ex-GFs. They're horny and it doesn't add to their "number".

  6. #1054
    Quote Originally Posted by Steve9696  [View Original Post]
    I am planning a weekend trip soon to another city. I've been cruising SA and of course working the usual angles. A few promising prospects. Plus Layla wants to go with me but I am not sure that's worth it. And I have another new local prospect but after an amazing first date she dodged a kiss and has been luke warm.

    So I figure no harm just pinging Alexa (Vegas December) and saying hey want to fly to xxx and meet me for the weekend? Just a flyer to keep my options open. Gave it a one in ten chance.

    Boom. She's like absolutely! Flights are booked and hotel is booked. It was two hours from "crazy idea" to seeing Alexa for a weekend. Sure pays to have the Rolodex! Totally stoked.
    Good move, man. Have fun. I always feel that once you fucked a girl once, then you can usually fuck them again. Even when a year or two goes by. Even if she gets married or has a BF later. It's weird, man. It's almost as if the girl thinks, "I fucked him already, so what's the big deal if we fuck again. ".

  7. #1053

    Keeping in Touch Pays Off!

    I am planning a weekend trip soon to another city. I've been cruising SA and of course working the usual angles. A few promising prospects. Plus Layla wants to go with me but I am not sure that's worth it. And I have another new local prospect but after an amazing first date she dodged a kiss and has been luke warm.

    So I figure no harm just pinging Alexa (Vegas December) and saying hey want to fly to xxx and meet me for the weekend? Just a flyer to keep my options open. Gave it a one in ten chance.

    Boom. She's like absolutely! Flights are booked and hotel is booked. It was two hours from "crazy idea" to seeing Alexa for a weekend. Sure pays to have the Rolodex! Totally stoked.

  8. #1052
    Quote Originally Posted by JackOfNone  [View Original Post]
    I have very limited experience compared to all of you experienced guys, but here goes my 2 cents. The local sugar website in my local country doesn't hold a candle to seeking. The girls on SA are much, much more DTF and don't mind talking about short arrangements right away. They are also much more beautiful. I know the bait-and-switch about the photoshopped photos, but you can just immediately see the difference right away. Its like everyone knows exactly why they are here. Whereas on the local site (where I spent a couple of months), a lot of girls were just curious or get offended when you try to steer the conversation towards sex. Maybe I am just not that patient haha. In my opinion, if you are trying to build a long term thing, my country's local website is an option. But if you are looking to fuck in the not so far future, SA all the way.
    Did SA have more girls in your local city than the native sugar babe site you tried in your local city?

    My guess is that SA being the most popular site, has reasonably good number of girl listings in many major European cities but US still has the most listings (not sure if Canada does too). I just did a spot check how many girls are on the site at this minute in my city and a few large European cities. Within a radius of 50 miles, I counted 220+ women in my city (no filters; I. E. All ages, ethnicity, shapes and sizes). When I did the same spot check in 5,6 European cities on SA, at the moment less than 20 to 40 girls were present. Madrid had 130 but Madrid is much bigger than where I live. Also, there are 6 to 7 hours time difference between where I live to these European cities. My experience is that most girls login to the site in the evenings, whereas it is approximately 1 PM in the afternoon here.

    SA and sugarbabe is largely a US phenomenon. Much like match.com began here, most of the social media, and other such technologies were born here. It may be that locals are less familiar with the concept of internet matched sugar babe / daddy in many other places such as Europe. Numbers may increase in future. In my own experience, I see many more girls on SA in both my own city and also in many European cities now than there used to be in the past. 4 years ago, the number of available girls were absolutely far fewer than now.

    I also get the sense that SA caters to American / English speak men to a larger extent. The traveling American male so to speak. Many girls in non English speaking countries go out of their way to let us know they can speak English and even write their profile description in English. Why would they need to do it if their primary clientele is a non English speaking local man? There must be a lot of Americans on the road and these girls target such men as main customers / daddies.

  9. #1051
    Getting banned on SA for being too forward in a quest for sex seems to be a common mistake. I've read about this happening to several men on several forums discussing SA. The contradictions on the SA site are everywhere. You have sexy, young girls posting bikini shots "Seeking. Friend with benefits, No strings attached, Discretion". It's easy to get confused about the mating dance on the site.

    It's easy to make assumptions like "everyone knows what the site is for". Yet, there are girls declaring they are only seeking platonic relationships. Then there are older women who seem to be looking only for some attention. Since it has been said the woman don't pay to post their profile, I guess it's always going to be a very mixed bag of intentions from the women on the site. They can give anything a shot when it don't cost nothin'.

    As has been mentioned you have to anticipate ASD (anti-**** defenses) and gently navigate them. I have given Steve repeated credit for this adage, but it still makes sense to keep the money as far away as possible from the sex. I am a SA apprentice, but I have been in these type of relationships overseas. Gifts, allowances, help with living expenses, whatever you want to call it, make the arrangement acceptable to the young women.

  10. #1050
    In my view, the strength of local listings is most important. If a sugar daddy site has 10,000 babes in Munich but only a few hundred in my home city, it does not help me much. I have only used secret benefits and sugardaddy.com, and only for short periods. I didn't like the usage based pricing on secret benefits and the quality and quantity of girls was worse than on SA. That was 3 years ago, and things may have improved. I also did not travel when I had secret benefits subscription and who knows if it had better listings in other cities. This is why I think it is important for guys to check out sites which are good in their area. I like SA, it has a good number of girls and quality is good. Granted many "girls" are scammers but that may be true on other sugarbabe sites as well. How can a site weed out scammer girls anyway? They can demand to see full identification before allowing a girl to obtain account but that may deter many girls to not join the site at all.

    I feel for Jack, but in reality that may happen on other sites as well. Sites want to stay alive and not be shut down by LE. If solicitation happens on the site openly, it is at big risk. The site owners are making ridiculous amounts of money. They would do anything to keep that money coming in, so it is in their interest to remove even traces of solicitation and make it appear like SA is very clean.

    BFsie is not in this thread I guess but he is a long time user of sugarbabe babes and he is in DE I think. I don't know if SA is the best site to use in DE. They may have a local site which is better than SA. Guys should do their own research and see what works for them locally.

  11. #1049

    Any near perfect substitute for SA?

    Given the recent experience of JackOfNone, with him being kicked off of SA, it makes me wonder if there is a near perfect substitute for SA.

    When I was on SA a few years ago, I remember there was another site that was doing the same thing. I looked at it, and to my surprise, many of the SBs on SA were also on this other website too. I forget the name of this other site.

    I just googled sugar baby dating just now, and it looks like there are several alternatives. However, rather than do a deep dive due diligence research of these other sites, I figured it would be more useful to tap the experience and expertise of the members of this forum.

    Anyone know of a good alternative to SA? Especially something that can be used in many different countries, like SA? People reporting on their personal experiences on an alternative site, especially when it was used abroad, would be particularly appreciated.

    For me, the reason I ask is not just for JackOfNone, but also for myself. I recently tried to reactivate my old SA subscription, but I got blocked. I was trying to renew it from Shanghai, and so maybe the VPN triggered the block. I realize that I can contact customer service, but now I am thinking about trying out another site.

    TIA.

  12. #1048
    Quote Originally Posted by JackOfNone  [View Original Post]
    Yep, lesson learnt definitely! Unfortunately an expensive lesson. Definitely going to be more subtle on SA in future and going to take the conversation to other mediums ASAP. So if I understand correctly, you know of people creating other profiles after getting banned and SA not being able to judge that this was the same person? Any legal or criminal action seems a very long shot if this is the case.
    Only women. I don't know any other men. But yes, women are kicked out quite frequently. Often for no reason whatsoever, because the site is not very stable. But girls do not pay, so no loss for them. Sometimes, the site reinstates their membership on their own; sometimes, the girl takes a new membership (free of course) with a new name.

    I doubt that they will file any legal suit which is expensive for them as well. One thing I know, the site hates to lose paying customers and hates to spend money. But the mere threat of such legal action is enough to deter most violators. Also, they can refer you to local police if it comes to it. Even that is not something they prefer in my view because it is unwanted attention. If you use a new name and cut out all references to sex / money exchange, then they should let you live in peace.

  13. #1047
    Quote Originally Posted by Steve9696  [View Original Post]
    SA specifically frowns on PPM because it smacks of prostitution. So everyone should avoid that word. Girls don't like it anyhow (unless they are pros). It's always a gift / allowance. And definitely don't be so explicit as "making babies". Private time, intimate time, room time, adult time. They will al work equally well. I usually say "if we really like each other like I think we will we will want to go private. " Or "do what adults do when they like each other". They know what you are talking about.

    Best of course to take it off SA.
    I never, never talk money or sex on SA. I tell them I would love to see them. Get their text number. And have those conversations. I have been using SA for years.

  14. #1046

    Yeah More Subtle

    Quote Originally Posted by JackOfNone  [View Original Post]
    Hi Pessimist,

    Thank you for your very valid advice and apologies for my delayed reply. Being a pessimist like you and an over-planner, I am on the same page. I have around 10 girls who are willing to meet during the 5 days with most willing to spend the night and the rest want to spend at least a couple of hours. For the ones that I really like, I am in regular touch on whassapp to groom them a little bit and try to see which one has a high possibility of flaking out. My backup plan in case one flakes out on a day is a really nice brothel with great girls which I used to frequent during my previous visits to Lisbon, so if someone flakes out, I would at least have some place to release the load. Failing that, there is a nice outcall agency with a good number of highly reviewed girls. Your advice about lining up two girls in one evening is interesting and I will see if I can implement it.

    Since Corona was rising fast in Lisbon, I also looked at Germany the past few days as an alternative if it is no longer feasible / too risky to fly to Lisbon last minute due to high number of cases. Germany is easily reachable for me and does not require flights. Same strategy in Germany, line up at least double the number of girls as days, amd stay in touch on whassapp with the high potential ones, reconfirming with them multiple times they are still planning to meet. Lets see where I end up, Lisbon or Germany. Going to decide on Sunday. Bad thing about Germany is that I do not know the mongering scene as good as I know Lisbon, so high chances of ending up with blue balls if someone stands me up.

    Hit a huge blocker today when my SA account was blocked only after a week from activation. Reason was: "solicitation of prostitution". I talked to cust service and they said that they had multiple verified reports of me trying to exchange sex for money, which of course is what I was doing. Since I was being a little bit explicit with girls (did not mention sex, but things like 'doing what people do to make babies, except we are not going to make babies' maybe someone got offended and reported me. In addition, I had something like "looking for PPM arrangements" in my profile description. The cust service also said that I was banned from creating a profile on SA ever and if I did, they would pursue the case with legal authorities. Fortunately, I had moved most conversations to whassapp so most of the arrangements in Lisbon and Germany are not affected. Although there was a cutie in Germany whose number I do not have and I am fuming.

    My question is, has this happened with anyone? And do you think I should take the risk to create the profile again? Also, if I create it again, what precautions should I take? I know I should move the conversation from SA to other mediums ASAP, but what is acceptable or not acceptable to discuss on SA? I learnt the lesson about profile description and going to mention anything about PPM if I create the profile again.
    SA specifically frowns on PPM because it smacks of prostitution. So everyone should avoid that word. Girls don't like it anyhow (unless they are pros). It's always a gift / allowance. And definitely don't be so explicit as "making babies". Private time, intimate time, room time, adult time. They will al work equally well. I usually say "if we really like each other like I think we will we will want to go private. " Or "do what adults do when they like each other". They know what you are talking about.

    Best of course to take it off SA.

  15. #1045

    Puebla

    First and foremost, SA is my go to here in the states and internationally. I am planning a trip to Puebla Mexico in two weeks. I have been active on SA for about 2 weeks now in Puebla. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. I can never get to all the girls that want to see me while I am there. SA is a little expensive and takes a little work, but well worth it in my opinion. Does anyone have any go to's in Puebla? I don't want to miss out on the best.

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