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11-19-20 02:22 #1143
Posts: 30Looking to expand our table
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(just realized I saved the wrong link for MTL or the original post has been deleted, maybe one of you guys could help out with that. I strongly suspect MTL might be a sweet spot).
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11-19-20 02:00 #1142
Posts: 2805Originally Posted by Midwestern [View Original Post]Originally Posted by Midwestern [View Original Post]
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11-19-20 01:04 #1141
Posts: 255Originally Posted by AmsBoy [View Original Post]
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11-18-20 20:18 #1140
Posts: 2041Originally Posted by Ailton [View Original Post]
When negotiating, you will always have to deal with the compounding effect of different ranges. First, the range for allowances. Second, does a woman who might be a 7 think she is an 8. I think many of the experienced daddies here are very good at finding attractive girls who are reasonable and modest.
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11-18-20 17:29 #1139
Posts: 3First Post. SA FR from Netherlands
I would like to give back to this forum as I have learnt a lot about SA from the many posters here. Thanks you guys, you are doing an amazing job!
I have been on SA since March this year. I usually do not have much time to spend on SA therefore over the months I have adjusted my approach and now basically my game is to chat as less as possible on SA and move her to WhatsApp, after giving her clear indication that I am looking for intimacy. This helps me in avoiding any misunderstanding and my time being wasted. I understand that this can be bit direct for other countries, but this works in my case as I am in Netherlands and people generally here are straight forward.
Anyways, moving on. Once we are on WhatsApp, I don't waste my time beyond exchanging initial pleasantries and I mostly (90% of the time) follow up with a question "So what kind of arrangements do you usually do"? Now, there could be number of possible answers (which I don't give a fuck about) but it helps me to break the ice and perhaps have a discussion about the arrangement and the price. Once, we agree on a date and before I book a hotel, I usually have a call (this is to make sure that its not a scam, and to get a feel of the potential lay).
Now about prices, I have seen that most of the girls (aged 19-21) agree for 200 euros for 3 to 4 hours for a first date itself (no coffee, no meeting up before hotel date bullshit). In my experience, girls who are 23 and above have quoted 500 and plus, however some do come back to the line and have agreed for 250-300 (after I totally refuse or negotiate, depends on how hot the girl is). Then there is this other category of girls which after quoting 500/600 Euros, negotiate based on the time, saying that they could spend only 1 hour or 2 hours for 250 euros. I am usually not interested in them, as I get a feeling of a regular WG.
So to summarize. My highest success rate has been with girls from age 19-21, with a price of 200 PPM. And so far I have sampled around 10-12 different girls from SA and have only repeated 1 because I paid her 300 for the first time and then tried my luck with 200 and she agreed.
Hope this gives a little bit of perspective to the guys who are new to SA.
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11-18-20 17:19 #1138
Posts: 1385Second MW. Lovely list. Obviously everyone's personal experiences differ slightly but in cities that I have used SA services your numbers approximately match my own personal experience. I never tried the weekend arrangements in Barcelona etc and those sound like fantastic deals. I have paid 200 E for a normal meet in those places however. Generally, 200 to 250 is a good price in Europe, depending on the girl. I think my deals were at lesser amounts in TX than what your list says and 300-350 in London sounds like a great deal. Never got it. I stopped trying in London in my last couple of visits and now just enjoy the city.
Are these compiled from data points supplied on ISG or did you combine with external inputs?
Thanks again.
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11-18-20 14:19 #1137
Posts: 1202Fucking incredible!
Ailton, this is fucking awesome! I especially like the links so that we can see the post and who you got the data point from! The links are what makes this amazing. I cannot believe you did this. Please maintain this! You are awesome. You're our data guy.
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11-18-20 05:31 #1136
Posts: 314Originally Posted by JackOfNone [View Original Post]
"I want to be spoiled."
"I want to experience what it is to live a life of luxury."
"Allowance plus shopping trips".
For me these have gotten the world the wrong way around. Certainly I have spoiled girls after they have proven themselves but I don't get any pleasure from doing it on demand.
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11-18-20 00:40 #1135
Posts: 30Typical Allowances
The data isn't that extensive yet as I was focussing on one particular country that I will be travelling next year. I am looking forward to contributions, specifically I would be personally interested to find out about Istanbul, St Petersburg and Italy. All data points are appropriately referenced with links within this forum which should capacitate one to get into touch with the respective member that has experience with the destination of interest. Please advise if you find any misrepresentations.
EUROPE
Austria
Vienna 300 EUR for the Night.
Czech Republic
Prague 300 - 350 EUR 200 EUR for the night 150 - 300 EUR.
Germany
Berlin 300 - 350 EUR 500 EUR for the night.
Netherlands
Amsterdam 200 EUR for a couple of hours. 300 for a whole night.
Poland
Warsaw 300 - 350 EUR.
Portugal
Lisbon 150 - 200 EUR for a couple of hours to a whole night, depending on girl(targeting only top 20% of the girls, no 25+ or fat girls) 100 - 200 EUR.
Spain
Barcelona Full weekend: 300 EUR. Generally 200 - 500 EUR for a weekend. .
Ukraine
Kiev 250 USD, disputed, several data points lower than that 140 - 180 USD (4000-5000 UAH).
United Kingdom
London 300 - 350 EUR 350 Sterling.
North America
United States
Atlanta 200 - 350 USD for a solid 6 to 8.
Austin 400 - 500 USD.
Boston 300 - 350 USD.
Chicago Under 300 USD is doable.
Denver 200 USD.
Detroit 300 USD.
Houston 400 - 500 USD.
Jacksonville (FL) 150 - 200 USD for a 6/7. 200 - 250 USD for a 7/8 college aged. 400 USD solid 9.
Las Vegas 400 USD.
LOS Angeles 200 USD second tier. 300 first tier. 300 USD.
Miami 300 USD.
Milwaukee Under 300 USD is doable.
Nashville 200 USD second tier. 300 first tier..
New York City 500 USD 400 USD second tier, 500 USD first tier.
Portland 300 USD.
San Antonio 300 - 350 USD.
San Francisco 500 USD 500 USD 300 USD for exchange student.
Savannah (GA) 150 - 200 USD for a 6/7. 200 - 250 USD for a 7/8 college aged. 400 USD solid 9.
Canada
Montreal 300 CAD.
Mexico
Mexico City 1500 - 3000 MXN, possibly 4000 MXN for high-end..
SOUTH AMERICA
Brazil
Sao Paulo 800 Rs for model quality.
Colombia
Medellin 7-8 girl 100 USD todo la noche, 8.5 - 9 girl 100 - 200 USD all day 100 USD.
Peru
Cusco 100 USD for whole weekend.
ASIA
United Arab Emirates
Dubai Depending on Tier: 400 - 800 USD.
OCEANIA
Australia
Sydney 400 - 500 AUD.
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11-17-20 23:23 #1134
Posts: 83WG hot
Originally Posted by WyattEarp [View Original Post]
I am normally open to having just a coffee with girls that look nice (not necessarily hot) and with whom I find a nice click. Mostly, these are girls below 25 who work in the hospitality sector or are students. The ones that are open to intimacy on the first date are mostly in the age range 27-33, although I have had sex with a 22 year old on the first date.
Maybe the reason a direct approach works in my country is because people are very direct here, almost to the fault of being rude. I can understand the advise of being political and not mentioning sex in the first conversation in other countries like the US, but here nobody that I have to talked to has ever been offended when I mentioned the possibility of being intimate in the future when we were having our first coffee / drink. The normal answer to that in 90% of the cases is: If there is a click, we can go forward.
Different rules work for different places, I guess.
All that said, I absolutely love the chase and the gradual breaking down of the barriers of a girl who is on the fence. It is an ego booster for sure and I love to hone my game. When I got SA membership the first time, I almost did not work at all in the week I had SA and spent more than 8 hours everyday chatting up girls and trying to build a rolodex haha. Its a pity that I do not have the opportunity to take most of my conversation offline.
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11-17-20 23:07 #1133
Posts: 30Europe
Czech Republic Test 1.
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11-17-20 15:30 #1132
Posts: 2041Originally Posted by JackOfNone [View Original Post]
I also presume you meet the hot ones for coffee first before unveiling your desire for carnal pleasure because these "hot" girls are getting chatted up for sex on-line quite regularly. This would be a way to establish some connection first.
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11-17-20 13:49 #1131
Posts: 2732Yes Please
Originally Posted by Ailton [View Original Post]
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11-17-20 06:22 #1130
Posts: 1163Originally Posted by Ailton [View Original Post]
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11-17-20 04:40 #1129
Posts: 1385Originally Posted by Ailton [View Original Post]
That said, the table would definitely lead to some interesting discussions and that alone is worth seeing the table.
Hope you enjoyed compiling it.