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11-18-20 17:19 #1138
Posts: 1385Second MW. Lovely list. Obviously everyone's personal experiences differ slightly but in cities that I have used SA services your numbers approximately match my own personal experience. I never tried the weekend arrangements in Barcelona etc and those sound like fantastic deals. I have paid 200 E for a normal meet in those places however. Generally, 200 to 250 is a good price in Europe, depending on the girl. I think my deals were at lesser amounts in TX than what your list says and 300-350 in London sounds like a great deal. Never got it. I stopped trying in London in my last couple of visits and now just enjoy the city.
Are these compiled from data points supplied on ISG or did you combine with external inputs?
Thanks again.
Originally Posted by Ailton [View Original Post]
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11-18-20 14:19 #1137
Posts: 1202Fucking incredible!
Ailton, this is fucking awesome! I especially like the links so that we can see the post and who you got the data point from! The links are what makes this amazing. I cannot believe you did this. Please maintain this! You are awesome. You're our data guy.
Originally Posted by Ailton [View Original Post]
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11-18-20 05:31 #1136
Posts: 314Originally Posted by JackOfNone [View Original Post]
"I want to be spoiled."
"I want to experience what it is to live a life of luxury."
"Allowance plus shopping trips".
For me these have gotten the world the wrong way around. Certainly I have spoiled girls after they have proven themselves but I don't get any pleasure from doing it on demand.
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11-18-20 00:40 #1135
Posts: 32Typical Allowances
The data isn't that extensive yet as I was focussing on one particular country that I will be travelling next year. I am looking forward to contributions, specifically I would be personally interested to find out about Istanbul, St Petersburg and Italy. All data points are appropriately referenced with links within this forum which should capacitate one to get into touch with the respective member that has experience with the destination of interest. Please advise if you find any misrepresentations.
EUROPE
Austria
Vienna 300 EUR for the Night.
Czech Republic
Prague 300 - 350 EUR 200 EUR for the night 150 - 300 EUR.
Germany
Berlin 300 - 350 EUR 500 EUR for the night.
Netherlands
Amsterdam 200 EUR for a couple of hours. 300 for a whole night.
Poland
Warsaw 300 - 350 EUR.
Portugal
Lisbon 150 - 200 EUR for a couple of hours to a whole night, depending on girl(targeting only top 20% of the girls, no 25+ or fat girls) 100 - 200 EUR.
Spain
Barcelona Full weekend: 300 EUR. Generally 200 - 500 EUR for a weekend. .
Ukraine
Kiev 250 USD, disputed, several data points lower than that 140 - 180 USD (4000-5000 UAH).
United Kingdom
London 300 - 350 EUR 350 Sterling.
North America
United States
Atlanta 200 - 350 USD for a solid 6 to 8.
Austin 400 - 500 USD.
Boston 300 - 350 USD.
Chicago Under 300 USD is doable.
Denver 200 USD.
Detroit 300 USD.
Houston 400 - 500 USD.
Jacksonville (FL) 150 - 200 USD for a 6/7. 200 - 250 USD for a 7/8 college aged. 400 USD solid 9.
Las Vegas 400 USD.
LOS Angeles 200 USD second tier. 300 first tier. 300 USD.
Miami 300 USD.
Milwaukee Under 300 USD is doable.
Nashville 200 USD second tier. 300 first tier..
New York City 500 USD 400 USD second tier, 500 USD first tier.
Portland 300 USD.
San Antonio 300 - 350 USD.
San Francisco 500 USD 500 USD 300 USD for exchange student.
Savannah (GA) 150 - 200 USD for a 6/7. 200 - 250 USD for a 7/8 college aged. 400 USD solid 9.
Canada
Montreal 300 CAD.
Mexico
Mexico City 1500 - 3000 MXN, possibly 4000 MXN for high-end..
SOUTH AMERICA
Brazil
Sao Paulo 800 Rs for model quality.
Colombia
Medellin 7-8 girl 100 USD todo la noche, 8.5 - 9 girl 100 - 200 USD all day 100 USD.
Peru
Cusco 100 USD for whole weekend.
ASIA
United Arab Emirates
Dubai Depending on Tier: 400 - 800 USD.
OCEANIA
Australia
Sydney 400 - 500 AUD.
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11-17-20 23:23 #1134
Posts: 83WG hot
Originally Posted by WyattEarp [View Original Post]
I am normally open to having just a coffee with girls that look nice (not necessarily hot) and with whom I find a nice click. Mostly, these are girls below 25 who work in the hospitality sector or are students. The ones that are open to intimacy on the first date are mostly in the age range 27-33, although I have had sex with a 22 year old on the first date.
Maybe the reason a direct approach works in my country is because people are very direct here, almost to the fault of being rude. I can understand the advise of being political and not mentioning sex in the first conversation in other countries like the US, but here nobody that I have to talked to has ever been offended when I mentioned the possibility of being intimate in the future when we were having our first coffee / drink. The normal answer to that in 90% of the cases is: If there is a click, we can go forward.
Different rules work for different places, I guess.
All that said, I absolutely love the chase and the gradual breaking down of the barriers of a girl who is on the fence. It is an ego booster for sure and I love to hone my game. When I got SA membership the first time, I almost did not work at all in the week I had SA and spent more than 8 hours everyday chatting up girls and trying to build a rolodex haha. Its a pity that I do not have the opportunity to take most of my conversation offline.
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11-17-20 23:07 #1133
Posts: 32Europe
Czech Republic Test 1.
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11-17-20 15:30 #1132
Posts: 2041Originally Posted by JackOfNone [View Original Post]
I also presume you meet the hot ones for coffee first before unveiling your desire for carnal pleasure because these "hot" girls are getting chatted up for sex on-line quite regularly. This would be a way to establish some connection first.
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11-17-20 13:49 #1131
Posts: 2737Yes Please
Originally Posted by Ailton [View Original Post]
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11-17-20 06:22 #1130
Posts: 1163Originally Posted by Ailton [View Original Post]
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11-17-20 04:40 #1129
Posts: 1385Originally Posted by Ailton [View Original Post]
That said, the table would definitely lead to some interesting discussions and that alone is worth seeing the table.
Hope you enjoyed compiling it.
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11-16-20 23:30 #1128
Posts: 32Allowances-Table
I have compiled a table with typical allowances for a standard food / drinks+more arrangement for various places around the globe based on the data available in this thread and in country specific threads. Originally did that for my personal use for the coming months, but I thought it could be sensible to share in order to exchange data points and thus avoid overpaying and keep cost low in the long run.
Before I post, I wondered whether you guys are even interested in that?
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11-16-20 23:22 #1127
Posts: 1385Originally Posted by Midwestern [View Original Post]
As I recall, you are meeting a lot of girls in Beijing but not through SA. Did I get that right?
In that case, their expectations are quite different.
I meet mostly through SA. Such girls have a different expectation. With the SA girls, it is definitely a transaction to a large extent but the trick is not to articulate the transaction in so many words. So, when I first meet the girl for a coffee / drink / dinner whatever that is, I pay for her share as on any date we would but do not give any cash. Some girls (or many) ask upfront if I give them any cash allowance for first meet and I say no, I do not give any allowance for meet and greets as she also benefits from them as much as I do. If they insist, I just ignore them. Some of them come back and say "OK, I will meet for a lunch w / o upfront allowance", and some just block me and move on. Either is fine.
But if the meet and greet goes well and ends up in sex, I do give her the allowance obviously. And the girl knows when she will get allowance and when she won't. No need to enunciate any of this in any words. They are smart, can put two and two together.
But I know it is a different process with girls you meet through non-SA channels, as you do. I did use Tinder a while ago and met a few and for a couple of them gave some gifts as in a traditional sugar babe arrangement but they turned out to be girls with some experience with sugar arrangements. I kinda got worried my identity would blow up on Tinder and left that app since then. SA feels much safer, I will not run into girls I know (and if I do, I can filter them out of course).
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11-16-20 13:41 #1126
Posts: 255Originally Posted by JackOfNone [View Original Post]
My experience, aside from 1, is that the subject of sex in the same sentence as money is very taboo in my country.
While the subject of money / compensation is no problem, the mention of sex gets response "we'll see how things go".
The 1 good one I met I've seen a couple of times now. We've now gotten to the point that she doesn't expect her PPM fee every time we meet.
Because she trusts me and enjoys the time together. And knows I pay for every thing while we spend time together.
While I still look for a 2nd regular one, she has raised the bar of what I'm willing to accept for a SB. Which only makes things more difficult in my country.
When I look at SB's from Lisbon / Portugal, they are open about the sex part. And mostly easy going.
And the impression I got was that they were looking for a fun time. And didn't quote insane prices.
I had to postpone my trip there due to circumstances but am definitely re-planning due to the small rolodex I built up.
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11-15-20 04:27 #1125
Posts: 2737Thanks And.
Originally Posted by Midwestern [View Original Post]
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11-15-20 02:52 #1124
Posts: 1202Originally Posted by Steve9696 [View Original Post]
For normal dating, what is your "X" date rule?