Seeking Arrangements

[DramaFree11]

Majority of the SA girls are delusional prostitutes who have convinced themselves they are better than prostitutes, they also want validation, for some of them, it is important that they are spending time with someone of the perceived higher status is even more important as the money. Talk to them, make them feel good and tell them about future possibilities you can introduce them to the finer things in life they will fall for it.

The problem with that is it requires more time and that can be exhausting, sometimes it is better to deal with the honest prostitute and get it over with.

You are so correct, I had some 6-7's, tell me that they deserved $8000-10 a month, completely delusional. The problem is there is many guys that never meet with the girls, they communicate strictly on-line, and can pretend to be anyone they want to be. The other issues is many guys can hang financially for a couple of weeks or months, they start throwing money around like candy. They worry about the ramifications when the funds run dry.

I am also surprised know one has issues with girls being completely wasted on drugs or alcohol. Most of the girls I dealt with either had a drug problem or issues with alcohol. It was real sad and I just can not stay up all nigh partying I have responsibilities.

[AddisDude]

I am not smooth at this point. I don't have my patter down. I usually tell the prostitutes exactly what I want up front in Europe and South America. If they don't want to do it, I can move on to the next one. I don't think the more casual SA women think of themselves as prostitutes. I want to move things forward so I don't waste time but I think I am moving too fast and wasting time anyway because I am losing them. I also close to 70 so I am usually out of their profile range. Even the ones that are willing date older usually say 60 in their profile but they will usually respond to me. My pool might be smaller than a guy who is fifty. It might be worth it too spend the $400 and get my rocks off and slow down. I was in Spain when the everything closed so it has been two months of porn.

Majority of the SA girls are delusional prostitutes who have convinced themselves they are better than prostitutes, they also want validation, for some of them, it is important that they are spending time with someone of the perceived higher status is even more important as the money. Talk to them, make them feel good and tell them about future possibilities you can introduce them to the finer things in life they will fall for it.

The problem with that is it requires more time and that can be exhausting, sometimes it is better to deal with the honest prostitute and get it over with.

[Pessimist]

This is why I avoid SA in USA. LE can be crazy at times and you never know whom you're meeting.

Haha, but you have written up your experiences in US on SA, right?

If you live in US, you don't have many choices. SA is good, because arrangement is a legally gray area. It is a one to one situation, you can gradually build up to sex and not necessarily in the first meet, and in that sense it is OK situation arguably. If you meet a girl a few times, exchange gifts, and have sex, well none of that is illegal. It is more of a problem if you negotiate a transaction of money for sex, and no other relationship. The idea is to include as much of other stuff as possible so that it does not appear to be a transaction only.

[SfoCowboy]

This is why I avoid SA in USA. LE can be crazy at times and you never know whom you're meeting.

Generally, I agree with most of what you said. I most definitely agree with the need to avoiding any mention of sex in messages, even indirectly or tangentially. I ask the girl what her allowance expectation is, and any sensible girl will realize that they don't get paid $200 or more for a meet unless sex is involved. I ask them what are they open to. The girls get the hint and tell me if they are "open to anything" or they want to be strictly platonic. In any case, this will get clarified during the face to face meet, and I never meet the girl for the first time at a hotel room for sex until we have had some in person chat / intro. When I am on the road in a different city, sometimes I have to violate this rule and it does make me somewhat uneasy tbh.

I used to mention ppm in my earlier years, but I have now cut out usage of ppm in my texts or SA messages. For one, it does suggest exchange of sex for money, even if I don't mention the word sex. Instead I say "weekly allowance" and later in clarify that meeting once a week. Of course it can imply we will meet every single week, but I will dispel that notion either during the meet and greet or in some other message.

My concern is not only about SA peering into my messages but also entrapment and if any LE is tracking my messages. I have not heard of any such incidents but pays to appear as harmless as possible.

[Pessimist]

There are definitely pros on SA. But the non pros which I like better you cannot treat like a pro. Never discuss sex for money. Nor any specific sex act. Establish a rapport and then see if they want to meet up. I usually then say here is how I see our date going. And describe a nice dinner or drinks and say because we like each other we'the want some private time. They generally say that sounds good. I then ask if they had a particular gift in mind. And then you are negotiating the price of the total date having never said the words sex or money. The final $$ should NOT be done on SA In my opinion. Always by text.

The word PPM. Pay per meet. Is commonly used and if you can tell a girl is a pro or semi-pro you can discuss PPM without offending. I again do this offline. SA ostensibly discourages PPM even tho that is mostly what is going on.

And BTW $700 is too high anywhere in the US IMO but $500 is not out of the question in a top tier city with a top tier girl.

Generally, I agree with most of what you said. I most definitely agree with the need to avoiding any mention of sex in messages, even indirectly or tangentially. I ask the girl what her allowance expectation is, and any sensible girl will realize that they don't get paid $200 or more for a meet unless sex is involved. I ask them what are they open to. The girls get the hint and tell me if they are "open to anything" or they want to be strictly platonic. In any case, this will get clarified during the face to face meet, and I never meet the girl for the first time at a hotel room for sex until we have had some in person chat / intro. When I am on the road in a different city, sometimes I have to violate this rule and it does make me somewhat uneasy tbh.

I used to mention ppm in my earlier years, but I have now cut out usage of ppm in my texts or SA messages. For one, it does suggest exchange of sex for money, even if I don't mention the word sex. Instead I say "weekly allowance" and later in clarify that meeting once a week. Of course it can imply we will meet every single week, but I will dispel that notion either during the meet and greet or in some other message.

My concern is not only about SA peering into my messages but also entrapment and if any LE is tracking my messages. I have not heard of any such incidents but pays to appear as harmless as possible.

[SeekingHead]

One of the terms I use for sex is adult time. 99% of all women get what you want but like the fact you don't say sex as it cheapens them.

ASAP move off of SA & to text, I use the line in my opening of why I want to move to text. I tell them Seeking arrangements monitors our messages & for privacy I want ot move to text. This works 95% of the time.

Whatsapp & google voice are the preferred texting methods. Get a burner google voice account, lately I've been thinking about getting a fake business card & fake linked in account.

Outside of NYC, LA, & San Francisco, these are the common rates.

$150 to 200 for a 5/6 MILF to mid 30's women.

$200 to 300 for a college or 20 something 6/7/8.

$300 to $400 for a 8/9.

$400 plus for a model type.

If your in a bigger city add $50 & if in a rural area subtract $25 to 50.

[Artisttyp]

LOL just the pussy costs. We'll all have different setting up costs. Where are you staying for $300-$400 a month? I'm budgeting $1000.

I keep a little fuck pad down in Mexico for $200 a month. It cuts down a lot on hotel costs.

[Steve 9696]

I am not smooth at this point. I don't have my patter down. I usually tell the prostitutes exactly what I want up front in Europe and South America. If they don't want to do it, I can move on to the next one. I don't think the more casual SA women think of themselves as prostitutes. I want to move things forward so I don't waste time but I think I am moving too fast and wasting time anyway because I am losing them. I also close to 70 so I am usually out of their profile range. Even the ones that are willing date older usually say 60 in their profile but they will usually respond to me. My pool might be smaller than a guy who is fifty. It might be worth it too spend the $400 and get my rocks off and slow down. I was in Spain when the everything closed so it has been two months of porn.

There are definitely pros on SA. But the non pros — which I like better — you cannot treat like a pro. Never discuss sex for money. Nor any specific sex act. Establish a rapport and then see if they want to meet up. I usually then say here is how I see our date going. And describe a nice dinner or drinks and say because we like each other we'the want some private time. They generally say that sounds good. I then ask if they had a particular gift in mind. And then you are negotiating the price of the total date having never said the words sex or money. The final $$ should NOT be done on SA In my opinion. Always by text.

The word PPM. Pay per meet. Is commonly used and if you can tell a girl is a pro or semi-pro you can discuss PPM without offending. I again do this offline. SA ostensibly discourages PPM even tho that is mostly what is going on.

And BTW $700 is too high anywhere in the US IMO but $500 is not out of the question in a top tier city with a top tier girl.

[Big Boss Man]

This is the best time to find something at a reasonable cost. No travellers or tourists means less demand for these chics. Talk to them smoothly and you'the get them at a good price. Till business and leisure travel picks up, it will be like this. Try picking Latina students. Must be struggling for rents.

I am not smooth at this point. I don't have my patter down. I usually tell the prostitutes exactly what I want up front in Europe and South America. If they don't want to do it, I can move on to the next one. I don't think the more casual SA women think of themselves as prostitutes. I want to move things forward so I don't waste time but I think I am moving too fast and wasting time anyway because I am losing them. I also close to 70 so I am usually out of their profile range. Even the ones that are willing date older usually say 60 in their profile but they will usually respond to me. My pool might be smaller than a guy who is fifty. It might be worth it too spend the $400 and get my rocks off and slow down. I was in Spain when the everything closed so it has been two months of porn.

[SfoCowboy]

This is the best time to find something at a reasonable cost. No travellers or tourists means less demand for these chics. Talk to them smoothly and you'the get them at a good price. Till business and leisure travel picks up, it will be like this. Try picking Latina students. Must be struggling for rents.

I am in Los Angeles. I have received quotes from two top tier girls (at least if their photos are accurate but both had a bunch of them). One asked for $500 and the other $700 for a hook up.

I got involved in a text exchange with a thirty year old. She asked me what I like. I told her. She replied, "But missionary would be good for us, right?" I told her I liked oral better. Then she left the text conversation. I getting some amusement out of it. Many college age girls want to do platonic video chats which doesn't excite me.

[SfoCowboy]

I spent a weekend with a Latina chick. From Friday afternoon till late Sunday. All for 300 euros. 7-8/10; a student from Argentina. 21 years old. Repeated her again. This time bare back. Same cost. Food and drinks for the two days costed extra. I think anywhere between 200-500 euros you'd get a good chic for a weekend. I usually don't negotiate for short term. I met the girl on a Tuesday for drinks. Kissed and touched at no cost. Found chemistry and then did her twice. When I go back to Bcn I'll meet her again.

In Berlin it was 500 for the weekend...Prague was 200 for an evening and night..Vienna was 300..I should have spent more time scouting for a better deal but I didnt have time..

The girls in Ukraine and Belarus will spend a whole week for 5-7 hundred dollars...thats the sense Im getting talking to them...English is an issue..they dont speak it much. But I found 3-4 girls with whom Im talking and I hope to travel sometime to both these countries...

How much is it in Barcelona? How about the rest of Europe?

[DownUnderMonger]

That would depend what my expenses are. Out of the $1500 at least $300 or 400 goes to just getting set up apartment / transport Etc. I guess some months I climb into the 2 k range but I am definitely getting a lot of strange for that money.

LOL just the pussy costs. We'll all have different setting up costs. Where are you staying for $300-$400 a month? I'm budgeting $1000.

[Artisttyp]

Hey Artisttyp.

What would that translate to in Peru? $500 or less?

That would depend what my expenses are. Out of the $1500 at least $300 or 400 goes to just getting set up apartment / transport Etc. I guess some months I climb into the 2 k range but I am definitely getting a lot of strange for that money.

[AddisDude]

Sounds similar to my situation, I was traveling quite a bit last year for work, this year I'm in Atlanta & there are plenty of clients here so no travel. I only have a $3 k a month budget which is plenty to play on around this area, like you I am very disciplined on my budget. I never touch my savings, always hit my $1500 a month savings contribution & have my 401 k maxed at $19 k a year, I have over $800 k in savings & retirement while in my 40's, plus a house paid off.

What part of the world are you in?

I live in Delaware, driving distance from NYC, Philadelphia to DC, I drive up and down and play the entire north east field. I own rental properties all over managed by property management companies and I work for consulting firm which requires me to I travel throughout USA and international.

I am a big saver, I don't have bad habits, not a big spender or have any other issues except for I have diagnosed myself a sex addict but I enjoy it.

[DownUnderMonger]

I found the prices in USA to be on the higher side compare to many other countries.

Europe is good. I tried in Barcelona, Berlin, Prague, Vienna etc. Cheapest in Barcelona in my experience. I'm going to try Belarus and Ukraine next year.

How much is it in Barcelona? How about the rest of Europe?