Seeking Arrangements

[SavePros321]

I think almost everyone uses incorrect date of birth and slightly incorrect location. Most girls over 30 will shave some years off their age. Most guys over mid-40's will also shave some years off their age too. From my experience, almost everyone lies about location and uses a nearby location. Most guys also lie about their wealth. Most guys also exaggerate their height. Many girls lie about their body shape. Some gals lie about their education. Almost every gal will use either a photoshopped pic, or a pic that is from some years ago. This is why you need to do a meet and greet. Hoping for instant gratification is not what this site is supposed to be about (but you can get lucky of course). Finally, as for posting a fake pic, well, that one is a toughie. I don't think guys need to post any pic because we are the ones paying them, not other way around. If the girl won't agree to meet you without seeing your pic, just move on to the next gal. Using a fake pic may be rejected by the SA admins anyway, especially if you use a pic from the internet.

Good post. If you want to give a general idea of what you look like, you can always just blur or blackout your face using apps like Blur Photo (iPhone). As I mentioned before, it's like how escorts used to hide their faces on an escort site; they have the goods that you want. On SB websites, it is the man that has the goods (money) that the women want (especially now since a lot of them are or will be out of work due to all that is going on). You as the man have the upper hand in this situation. Use it to your advantage.

[Blue Swede]

I think almost everyone uses incorrect date of birth and slightly incorrect location. Most girls over 30 will shave some years off their age. Most guys over mid-40's will also shave some years off their age too. From my experience, almost everyone lies about location and uses a nearby location. Most guys also lie about their wealth. Most guys also exaggerate their height. Many girls lie about their body shape. Some gals lie about their education. Almost every gal will use either a photoshopped pic, or a pic that is from some years ago. This is why you need to do a meet and greet. Hoping for instant gratification is not what this site is supposed to be about (but you can get lucky of course). Finally, as for posting a fake pic, well, that one is a toughie. I don't think guys need to post any pic because we are the ones paying them, not other way around. If the girl won't agree to meet you without seeing your pic, just move on to the next gal. Using a fake pic may be rejected by the SA admins anyway, especially if you use a pic from the internet.

In my experience, you are quite correct.

We all tweak information and pictures a bit, in the direction needed.

I use to move the discussion to Whatsapp or similar ASAP and after that, I use to send the girl a picture I shoot, holding a hand written note saying for example "Hi Cindy! Where "Cindy" is her name (of course) and asking her to do the same.

I happened only once that the girl refused to do that.

[Midwestern]

Thank you for posting. Do they do any verification on the man. Location / salary / age / photo / Facebook / Linkedin?

I might be tempted to use a lookalike photo, incorrect date of birth, incorrect location so wouldn't want them to check these things.

I think almost everyone uses incorrect date of birth and slightly incorrect location. Most girls over 30 will shave some years off their age. Most guys over mid-40's will also shave some years off their age too. From my experience, almost everyone lies about location and uses a nearby location. Most guys also lie about their wealth. Most guys also exaggerate their height. Many girls lie about their body shape. Some gals lie about their education. Almost every gal will use either a photoshopped pic, or a pic that is from some years ago. This is why you need to do a meet and greet. Hoping for instant gratification is not what this site is supposed to be about (but you can get lucky of course). Finally, as for posting a fake pic, well, that one is a toughie. I don't think guys need to post any pic because we are the ones paying them, not other way around. If the girl won't agree to meet you without seeing your pic, just move on to the next gal. Using a fake pic may be rejected by the SA admins anyway, especially if you use a pic from the internet.

[DramaFree11]

Thank you for posting. Do they do any verification on the man. Location / salary / age / photo / Facebook / Linkedin?

I might be tempted to use a lookalike photo, incorrect date of birth, incorrect location so wouldn't want them to check these things.

They say, that the screen, but many fake profiles, so always assume worst.

[LeyenLouvain]

There are no fake profiles on the site, they have a fairly large team that weeds them out. Every new member request is checked manually by a person

Thank you for posting. Do they do any verification on the man. Location / salary / age / photo / Facebook / Linkedin?

I might be tempted to use a lookalike photo, incorrect date of birth, incorrect location so wouldn't want them to check these things.

[Midwestern]

My 2 cents based on recent posts. Yes, prices on SA are high, but you're paying for a real part time GF, not a pro that offers GFE. A lot of SBs will actually be exclusive with you. If you're not into that, then SA is not for you. SD means you're someone who either has money or is willing to splurge, otherwise we are as guilty as the scammer SBs on SA. And I did once give someone 3 k per month. She was worth it for a variety of reasons, and one reason was that she lived alone and so we stayed at her place a lot, which saved me a lot of money. I'm not rich, but NSA boinking a hottie on a regular basis is important to me, so I was willing to give her a huge portion of my disposable income. One way that I can justify it is that I know arrangements don't last too long. Eventually, she broke our arrangement because a surgeon offered her 5 k per month. Finally, many of these gals just want to enjoy the finer things in life, like trips, wining and dining, etc. , and I ended up giving no cash to about half of the SBs that I had relationships with. That said, these "freebie" gals are very hard to find, and eventually they bring drama. Anyway, all of this searching on SA takes a LOT of time, It's almost like a full time job, so I eventually quit. In the states, I now just use rubmaps. Good intel on there for most locations. Is rubmaps still operating or did it get shut down? I haven't been to the states in a couple of years.

[DramaFree11]

There are quite a few thoughts in this post. First surely it is a questionable idea to visit ANYONE right now. But if doing so a true SB who is low volume would be your best bet.

You can't compare value in the US to elsewhere. Value in the US is HORRIBLE. Worst in the world in my experience. I can have a better looking high performing girl in Brazil for 1/4 (or less) US prices.

BUT if you are confined to the US then SA is your best bet. You will get a longer date with a prettier girl than for the same price to a hooker. $400 is pretty standard, tho in the South I have 3 girls I can see for $300. I was able to push the later ones down once I had the first at $300.

Yes the private jet and $3000/ mo is surely rare. But does happen. A friend knows a stripper in Detroit who scored a daddy who flew her everywhere. And Melty who was a great $200 girl in London is currently touring the world clearly as an SB. So some girls do score it but it's rare..

I gave Been using SA with mixed results. The rates quoted ares correct.

1. Austin / Houston $400-500.

2. San Antonio prices are more reasonable $300-350, now that I am Austin full time San Antonio is only 1:15 drive so I have been started meeting more girls. You would think Austin would be better, but I have had much better luck in San Antonio and the girls usually better looking, makes no sense, but true. I hate Houston so I just go there for work and do not mess with those girls anymore.

I was shocked, but there are multiple guys that pay the $300-500 for PPM and there is no sex involved, not for me. Many girls have confirmed this, but those arrangements just last for a few months, from what they say. Crazy!

There are a lot of girls getting more then $3000, I would say $3000 would be minimum for anything decent. I would pay note, but there would have to be zero drama involved and most of these girls are just not capable of this.

With all this downtime from the Flu I have had a lot of time to reflect on SA. I would say more good then bad, but there is a lot of BS and Scams, but when you find a good arrangement it can be real fun. Also, I have had an issue with a lot of girls being alcoholics or use drugs heavily. This cause a way too much drama. I will probably take a small hit on my income, from the economic downturn, but I will no longer pay more then $400 and probably will be closer to $300. My main issue is I just do not have to travel to Europe, so that is kind of not practical, I just miss too much work. So I will probably use SA to fill in the gaps and stick with Tijuana and MTY.

[Steve 9696]

Been reading up on the public info on SA. I trust the info here. Either they are grossly wrong or they are distorting the numbers. I cannot believe the average SB allowance is 3 K. Plus, the amount ppm is ridiculous. If a SD can afford 3 K / month, that is 36000 a year after taxes. There just aren't that many guys who have that sort of disposable income. And if they did, they would certainly not be trolling on that site. Plus, stories of SB meeting SD who send limos and planes to pick them up are almost laughable. How many Dorian Grey's are out there? Perhaps, that creates an unrealistic expectation from the SBs. I can't imagine a person who is going to hand over 300 just to meet and talk. That does not even include the time and the expensive meals. I'm no cheap Charlie, but if you pay 400-500 per meet, that does not even include a minimum of 100 for a room and maybe another 100 for entertainment. At 700 per meet, that is not particularly good value. I can find some high end escorts in Europe for less with better attitude. I know the SBs say they are not escorts, but their emphasis on money says just the opposite. You can't have it both ways. I suspect there are a lot of desperate SBs out there at this time. Their regulars are not seeing them because they are at home with their wives and not travelling, everything is locked down, and there is no reason to put your health at risk. You have no idea if they have been isolating or seeing others. Simply not worth the risk.

There are quite a few thoughts in this post. First surely it is a questionable idea to visit ANYONE right now. But if doing so a true SB who is low volume would be your best bet.

You can't compare value in the US to elsewhere. Value in the US is HORRIBLE. Worst in the world in my experience. I can have a better looking high performing girl in Brazil for 1/4 (or less) US prices.

BUT if you are confined to the US then SA is your best bet. You will get a longer date with a prettier girl than for the same price to a hooker. $400 is pretty standard, tho in the South I have 3 girls I can see for $300. I was able to push the later ones down once I had the first at $300.

Yes the private jet and $3000/ mo is surely rare. But does happen. A friend knows a stripper in Detroit who scored a daddy who flew her everywhere. And Melty who was a great $200 girl in London is currently touring the world clearly as an SB. So some girls do score it but it's rare.

On the $300 for platonic yeah it seems a stretch but I know a girl who's been doing dinners and getting gifts all with no sex. This won't last I don't think. She also walks on a guy for $200. He drives 4 hours to see her. LOL. No sex. So some "odd" arrangements do exist. Tho clearly the exception.

[EmpireBurns]

It's a YMMV type of situation for sugar babies too. Some of these girls are worth the 3 K + but they prioritize instant gratification, so we do too. Some aren't but hey, they can all be princesses if they believe.

So I also don't believe in the average allowance stated, but there are still girls on another level who are smart enough to be patient and know how to make their way into a man's heart (read as bank account).

Been reading up on the public info on SA. I trust the info here. Either they are grossly wrong or they are distorting the numbers. I cannot believe the average SB allowance is 3 K. Plus, the amount ppm is ridiculous. If a SD can afford 3 K / month, that is 36000 a year after taxes. There just aren't that many guys who have that sort of disposable income. And if they did, they would certainly not be trolling on that site. Plus, stories of SB meeting SD who send limos and planes to pick them up are almost laughable. How many Dorian Grey's are out there? Perhaps, that creates an unrealistic expectation from the SBs. I can't imagine a person who is going to hand over 300 just to meet and talk. That does not even include the time and the expensive meals. I'm no cheap Charlie, but if you pay 400-500 per meet, that does not even include a minimum of 100 for a room and maybe another 100 for entertainment. At 700 per meet, that is not particularly good value. I can find some high end escorts in Europe for less with better attitude. I know the SBs say they are not escorts, but their emphasis on money says just the opposite. You can't have it both ways. I suspect there are a lot of desperate SBs out there at this time. Their regulars are not seeing them because they are at home with their wives and not travelling, everything is locked down, and there is no reason to put your health at risk. You have no idea if they have been isolating or seeing others. Simply not worth the risk.

[Akibono]

They are on SA, and they are the most hassle free. At least 5 of the two dozen gals that I had relations with on SA were in their 40's. They were all fantastic in the sack, 3 of them had great big fake boobs, and they were all also great fun to hang out with because they were closer to my age.

Been reading up on the public info on SA. I trust the info here. Either they are grossly wrong or they are distorting the numbers. I cannot believe the average SB allowance is 3 K. Plus, the amount ppm is ridiculous. If a SD can afford 3 K / month, that is 36000 a year after taxes. There just aren't that many guys who have that sort of disposable income. And if they did, they would certainly not be trolling on that site. Plus, stories of SB meeting SD who send limos and planes to pick them up are almost laughable. How many Dorian Grey's are out there? Perhaps, that creates an unrealistic expectation from the SBs. I can't imagine a person who is going to hand over 300 just to meet and talk. That does not even include the time and the expensive meals. I'm no cheap Charlie, but if you pay 400-500 per meet, that does not even include a minimum of 100 for a room and maybe another 100 for entertainment. At 700 per meet, that is not particularly good value. I can find some high end escorts in Europe for less with better attitude. I know the SBs say they are not escorts, but their emphasis on money says just the opposite. You can't have it both ways. I suspect there are a lot of desperate SBs out there at this time. Their regulars are not seeing them because they are at home with their wives and not travelling, everything is locked down, and there is no reason to put your health at risk. You have no idea if they have been isolating or seeing others. Simply not worth the risk.

[Midwestern]

You left out one group. That would be the 40+ women. Ready to drop them panties and throw them legs wide open again! Hahaha! Don't know how many 40+ women are on SA. But, I'm just saying in general LOL! Plenty of 40+ women trying to make up for "lost time" and ready to be more sexually liberated.

They are on SA, and they are the most hassle free. At least 5 of the two dozen gals that I had relations with on SA were in their 40's. They were all fantastic in the sack, 3 of them had great big fake boobs, and they were all also great fun to hang out with because they were closer to my age.

[The Cane]

While YMMV and you can surely find a gem in most age groups if you look hard enough, the following is conventional wisdom followed by my experience.

Flow of girl to woman -.

Early 20's. Very open. Experimental. Trying new things.

Late twenties. Prepping for marriage. Maybe regret? More careful.

Early thirties. Totally not open for anything. Ready to settle.

Late thirties. May open back up but with possible mommy baggage.

You left out one group. That would be the 40+ women. Ready to drop them panties and throw them legs wide open again! Hahaha! Don't know how many 40+ women are on SA. But, I'm just saying in general LOL! Plenty of 40+ women trying to make up for "lost time" and ready to be more sexually liberated.

[Steve 9696]

While YMMV and you can surely find a gem in most age groups if you look hard enough, the following is conventional wisdom followed by my experience.

Flow of girl to woman -.

Early 20's. Very open. Experimental. Trying new things.

Late twenties. Prepping for marriage. Maybe regret? More careful.

Early thirties. Totally not open for anything. Ready to settle.

Late thirties. May open back up but with possible mommy baggage.

This has been spot on with my experience:

22-24 is the sweet spot. Had more 23 and 24 year olds than all other ages combined.

19-21 is open to the idea but too flaky. Last minute cancellation and flake outs.

Only had 2 over 24 success. All others were fails.

Oh and fail means no SNL (single night lay). My exact results since June are:

Success: 23, 23, 26, 21, 23, 24, 23, 23, 24, 27, 24, 23, 21, 24, 23, 23
Fail: 26, 32, 34

Anyhow hope this helps someone!

[Midwestern]

How often does the person not match their photos? Any other things to worry about?

I was actively on SA for about 18 months. Met almost 100 gals. No one used a fake pic, but almost everyone used their best pic that was often photoshopped, and so prepare to be a little disappointed when you meet them in person.

[Akibono]

How often does the person not match their photos? Any other things to worry about?