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  1. #26

    Vegas And Other Stuff

    Quote Originally Posted by Midwestern  [View Original Post]
    Steve9696, Excellent FR. I also tried SA in Vegas, and to my surprise I had decent success. I didn't expect that, given how much work and chaos that SA is in SF. Maybe there's a lot of supply in Vegas. One gal told me that there are almost no decent paying jobs in Vegas, so maybe a lot of these gals, that might be working in a casino, are just trying to score some necessary extra cash. I used SA in another tourist location with much success, so maybe same story. Do you show these gals your picture before your first meetings? What do you promise them before you meet? Also, are you ever tempted to bareback these gals given they're not explicit pros?
    Yes all legit girls want a pic before you meet. In fact real girls ask pretty early on. I always suspect escort when they don't ask for pics. Pro tip: I wanted to use an online pic of me so I have legitimate deniability if it comes back to me. But I don't want it to be searchable. So I used my phone to take a pic of my computer screen with my pic on it. This ensures all the pixels are different and it's quite unsearchable.

    When I started I figure agree the amount when you meetup. But I had a couple girls a little disappointed. I've decided it's better to settle the figure first. It's important to phrase it so it's not money for sex. They don't want to feel like escorts (I know U know this midwestern but for others). My three LV girls agreed $400.

    And yes I barebacked with girl 1. Was not my idea. But on round two she just ripped the rubber off and mounted up cowgirl. I was powerless to resist! Even tho I did not CIP I asked her to take Plan be just in case and paid for it.

  2. #25
    Steve9696, Excellent FR. I also tried SA in Vegas, and to my surprise I had decent success. I didn't expect that, given how much work and chaos that SA is in SF. Maybe there's a lot of supply in Vegas. One gal told me that there are almost no decent paying jobs in Vegas, so maybe a lot of these gals, that might be working in a casino, are just trying to score some necessary extra cash. I used SA in another tourist location with much success, so maybe same story. Do you show these gals your picture before your first meetings? What do you promise them before you meet? Also, are you ever tempted to bareback these gals given they're not explicit pros?

  3. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Vendelo  [View Original Post]
    Does "without explicit financial arrangements" mean you paid per meeting?

    MidW: thanks for the reply. I am actually mongering in the east bay. I've been mongering since '01: aamps, Korean aamps, AMPS, fetish houses.
    Without explicit financial arrangement means I never gave them money. I just paid for our outings and trips. Maybe bought them a present every once in a while. I also did pay per date, and it was usually 500 per date in SF, but for that price point she had to be super hot, so I rarely did it. Price point is lower in other parts of the USA. I also had a monthly arrangement, but those are hard to find for me, because I get bored easily and quickly.

    Sounds like you know what you're doing in the East Bay. I might ask for intel next time I'm in your neighborhood.

  4. #23

    Steve

    Maybe I missed it in the long post, but what did these girls look like (including race), and how much did you pay them? Thanks.

  5. #22

    When you Hit the Jackpot

    Virtually all my SA experiences have been good (17 of 18) but this one tops them all. Thought we need a good FR here so here it is. Long read.

    So I had picked out three girls in Vegas and had great dates with all three. I was in touch with all three at least a month in advance and all were great about staying engaged as long distance girlfriends till my visit. This is a key qualifier as an escort will kick you to the curb if you want to chat much or not up for a date that week.

    All three went to the room after dinner but wide variation in their experience level at SB so a ton of fun just for variety. They ranged from an SB virgin who I needed to seduce to a clearly confident girl who owned it. And one in between. The best by a mile was Krystal. Best SB experience to date so here it is in its full glory.

    So Krystal had sent me a really explicit video the week before our date, which is really unusual. It set the stage for what a confident force of nature she is (reminds me a lot of my Brasileira Thifany). And sure enough Krystal is a confident wildcat of a girl. OMFG she rocked my world. I know a couple of you know Melty in London and it's that kind of super confident sex kitten kind of vibe.

    So since Krystal was forward enough to send me pictures of her fucking herself (LOL) I change dinner to the Italian restaurant in my hotel. She's a bit late but she's in my Uber so I know when she arrives and meet her at the hotel lobby.

    Wow. Super pretty girl. She's straightened her hair and it looks great that way. Tall girl -- 5-6 or better and spike heels. Displaying a ton of chest. Clearly solid see cups. And on the way to the restaurant she is chatty and bubbly. Like she knows she's the prettiest girl in the place (and she is! I pretty much love her from minute one!

    We have a really great dinner. Girl 1 was a bit awkward. Girl 2 was solid. And Krystal is just absolutely great to hang with. There is no lag in the conversation. We talk about everything including her hot sisters. She doesn't try to put on airs or try to keep things private. Just a chatty bubbly open book.

    After dinner we walk back into the main bar and casino area and I offer if she wants to get a drink somewhere or go to the room and she says up to me. So let's go to the room baby! Off we go.

    There is no pretense at all with Krystal. Its clear she is DTF from minute one. I pour us some wine (man I am going through the Rose!) and we sit on the edge of the bed. Pretty soon we are both leaning in and making out. And then she puts her hand on my dick which is hard by now thru my jeans and says "I really like your dick". This is a bit of a theme. She likes to talk dirty which is not really my thing but it amuses me and she seems to like to do it. And best DFK of the three by far. She's a little hard to figure out, because she definitely has a ton of super experienced moves about her, but she really a regular girl and has a real job. Either way its great.

    So I go take a leak and when I come back she asks if she can too -- sure no problem. And out she comes from the bathroom in a black teddy! Fuck! Well it doesn't take us long to get down to business. She's got a great set of see cups, kisses wonderfully, and has a sweet and juicy pussy. She does a pretty big amount of what would appear fake moaning and later screaming, but she is super sloppy, so some of it might be real who knows.

    After a bit of DATY I stand up and she slides to the edge of the bed and then onto her knees and says "can I suck your cock?" Or course I say NO. Hahaha kidding. She can such cock for sure. Not as much BLS and licking as I like but she deep throats and is plenty sloppy and vocal -- pretty PSE. At some point she says "will you fuck me baby, I want you to fuck me". While not a fan, the dirty talk growing on me! So I say sure and suit up.

    She is soooo sexy when she gets on her back -- those big doe eyes saying fuck me baby and kinda squirming around like she can't get your dick inside here soon enough. I think I'd had a few drinks (and several girls) because I don't remember it all. The mish is really good. Lots of DFK and serious pounding and her being very vocal. "oh my god baby just like that. Go slow and deeper. Oh my god". And a screeching build to apparent O. We move to cowgirl at some point and she fucks me really hard and heavy. Back to mish. We go for like 30 minutes plus.

    After I cum, we are laying side by side I go to take the condom off and its not there! WTF? I go uh oh baby I seem to have lost something. She doesn't panic at all. She hops up, goes to the bathroom, and comes back bubbly as can be: "Yep, it was just inside. Theres cum in it so we should be good. But if you want I'll get a morning after pill, they cost like $40 if you don't mind paying -- I'll send you a pic of the receipt". And all this in just the bubbliest happy girl voice. Yeah, not too many girls fish a condom out of their pussy and quote you the price of Plan be. Hahaha! Who cares I kinda love her!

    So we just relax comfortably for quite some time, her head on my chest, intertwined. I think we both doze for a bit. At some point, she awakens and her lips are about a foot from my cock and I start getting hard again. And kinda pull her up into DFK and she starts jacking me and we are off to the races again. Some truly great sloppy BJ to start. Some fabulous mish. Doggie. RCG. Loose the condom and do fingering deep while she is on her back and I am mouth fucking her.

    We get another condom and go for a while. I mean shit it was probably an hour or more of this. And I feel guilty and while she is on her back looking sooooo sexy I say "sorry babe, but sometimes I am hard to finish" and she says "that's OK baby you can fuck me all night if you want!" OMFG and with that look in her eyes. WTF. A fucking goddess. I will remember her saying that till my deathbed. Unbelievable.

    So we fuck some more and then go for BBBJ in several positions -- finally end with her between my legs and I great climax that she swallows without a second thought. This girl is hot chick dynamite.

    We talk about her staying but I have a 7 AM call and she has to get up early to go to work also. So we shower and part ways but make plans to go again.

    As it turns out I've already booked a repeat with Girl 1 for tonight and she is sooooo sweet I hate to cancel, so I book Krystal for Thursday and she is cool with that. So I get to sample a second date with both ladies. But in Krystal, I've found someone I really vibe with to the point that I would fly her to see me on some travel gig. I hate to waste London on her with so much going on there. But maybe if I travel her in the US I'll see if she'll join me. Anyhow, nice to meet someone I dig that much.

    So, Seeking has delivered once again! And what a box of life experiences -- ranging from Girl 2, where I literally had to seduce her and get her horny to get her to break out the pussy -- to Krystal who is a full on rockstar pornstar sex bunny -- and Girl 1 right inbetween barebacking me in the heat of the moment.

    OMG What a bunch of fun!

    Next day.

    So after seeing all three girls, Krystal was the clear winner by a mile. Unfortunately I had already booked Girl 2 again for Wed and I didn't want to cancel on her. I mean this is a bunch of coin for these girls. So I went ahead with that date. It was very good but nothing to write home about -- so I won't.

    But my Thursday date with Krystal is one of my all time favorites. She's a keeper. I've only had two girls before who I would fly to London and skip my RoGirls. Thifany (Brazil) and Valentina (Buenos Aires). Krystal is the first stateside girl I would do that with. Plus I could fly her to lame venues like Detroit. I think she'd be down.

    So we start by meeting at my hotel and head straight to the room. She was actually about 30 minutes late which offered me a new experience. As I am sipping my Hendricks Tonic in the lounge, a middle aged dude approaches and starts chatting me up. Says I am a handsome and sensitive man and asks for my number. Hahaha! That's a fucking first! LOL.

    So Krystal arrives and she's even prettier than I remember. She just breezes in and lights up the place with her bubbly confidence. She has on a super short skirt, so short that it doesn't even come past her jacket. And a "diamond" choker. She is devastating. She is the best looking girl in the hotel and casino by a country mile.

    Honestly just walking to the room I feel like a million bucks. She's my girl and everyone else can just stand and drool!

    So we head to the room and pour some Rose. Just get on the bed together and drink and chat. So comfortable. Eventually there is soft kissing, turning to passionate DFK and my hand down between her thighs. Where I discover her bad girl black lace panties have a large hole and provide some nice pussy access.

    Down I go for some DATY with some nice neck sucking (she loves this) and titty sucking (,her nipples get nicely erect) on the way. Then DATY, at first through the hole, but shortly we lose her panties and I give her some rip roaring DATY including Gspot fingering of course!

    Her pussy is super wet and juicy. As Andy and I were just discussing, her being non-pro, it's not excessively washed clean of all smell. It has that perfect young girl pussy smell and when you drive your tongue fully inside there is even more uniquely awesome sauce!

    We swap it up and she starts some very good BJ. She doesn't really lick as much as I like but I hesitate to direct her as her in and out is great and sloppy and her lips have just enough black girl in her to make them a joy to watch! Reminds me of Thifany actually. Watching the BJ is a highlight.

    She is not shy and she likes to talk dirty. "Do you want to fuck me baby? I want that big dick inside me. " She does a pixie cartoon type of voice. I am not usually a fan of this showmanship but she pulls it off. And yes baby I will now fuck you. Thank you for asking!

    We start in cowgirl and boy is she ready to ride. She does all variety of grinding and in and out and chest to chest and fully upright. It's really good but I have enormous stamina given the "hard" week. I do like sometimes to just make it really hard, push as deep as it will go and let her use me as her fuck buddy.

    This apparently works as she cums two times spaced about 5 minutes apart. She's super vocal - "oh fuck baby. Shit shit shit. Fuck fuck oH my God I am cumming". It seems a bit made up but she is dripping wet and the second one I felt a couple light pussy clamps so she's definitely having a good time. And fuck she looks great up there riding, perfect see cups bouncing when I am not kneading the fuck out of them.

    We swap over to Mish with Plenty of DFK and neck sucking while I fuck her deep. She's left on her heels and diamond choker which just adds to it all. And she is holding her heels with her hands on either side of my head. Super deep. Getting a boner writing this!

    At some point I am exhausted and we call it and I ask her to finish by mouth. "Of course baby!" And she launches into some epic BBBJ with CIM and swallow. I love it when they swallow with a smile. Like its yummy. I did drink my pineapple juice so maybe it was!

    We rest a bit in each other's arms. Actually I think we both fell asleep for a bit. This is the unrushed part and I love it. We shower together and get dressed and head off for dinner and nightlife. I had told her earlier that I had a surprise for her but she doesn't know what.

    As we are exiting the hotel, I detour her into the Swarovski crystal shop. I had scoped it out beforehand and knew everything was affordable and being with this goddess I was super happy to play Real Sugar Daddy and OMG she was over the moon. We jointly picked out an amazing "diamond" necklace with matching earrings.

    So we bounce to our Uber, Krystal wearing her new bling, and head to dinner. We are headed to a vibey place called Sake Rok. But when we arrive they say they closed at 10. Boo. But we find another sushi place inside the NYNY hotel And it is super good. Fuck I could look at her all day.

    After dinner we bounce to Skyfall, a rooftop bar on the 64th floor of the Delano. Its 11:15 and they close at midnight but what the heck. Highly recommend. A view to die for. We go out on the heated patio and just snuggle and drink. All of Vegas spread at the king's feet. LOL. (we find out later it's a private area we were supposed to pay for but hey we got it free!

    As midnight arrives we make it back to the hotel and pretty much crash -- fully clothed on the bed in each other's arms.

    We are both fucking wiped out from alot of food and drink and we doze off. At various times I wake up or she stirs too and I have these very conflicted thoughts:

    1. I am fucking wiped. It would feel so good to just sleep. I probably can't cum anyhow. I should just call it a night and let sleep take me.

    2. Dude you fucking pansy. You have one more chance to fuck the hottest girl in Vegas What the fuck are you thinking!

    And these go back and forth in my head as I variously sleep and wake for another hour or so.

    Finally, reason prevails and I lean over and kiss her lightly on the cheeks. She stirs but clearly is also super sleepy and considering whether to do it again or not. Well awesome girlfriend that she is she also makes the right decision and swings her leg over me and gets on top and then rises up to fully clothed cowgirl and starts grinding away. I oblige by pushing my now mostly hard dick firmly against her pussy. OK its on!

    Round two is much like round one. So she rides cowgirl a long time and gets off again -- she always finishes in cowgirl -- then I mount up in Mish and start some rythmic pounding. I actually try out the Andy move and put a pillow under her butt and fuck on my knees leaning back. I do it waaaay better this time than I did with Girl 1 and I must say the visual of you driving your dick in and out of this goddess is compelling! Thanks Andy! Plus she is strumming her clit good and enjoying being on the bottom.

    Eventually tho I feel like I might get soft so I move back into traditional Mish and start a very rythmic pounding again. She starts doing a lot of dirty talk which I usually find offputting. But instead it's really distracting and sexy in a good way and I start to feel the slow build. WTF?

    During all the stream of dirty talk -- "oooh fuck me baby. Just like that. Fuck my tight pussy with your big dick" - she throws in "Fuck me Daddy! OMG I just about laugh out loud but I love her zest for making an experience authentic!

    Again strangely the dirty talk is working and I am using my trick of not focusing on my dick. I'm looking at her lips. And her slight bunny teeth. That tendon in her neck that is straining sexily. And Wham. We get it done! I am more surprised than anyone! She's a fucking magician and I tell her so.

    Now we snuggle back together all naked and exhausted and start dosing again. No rush! And at some point I feel her rouse and she's taking off her necklaces to the bedside table. She's sleeping over! And sure enough we cuddle and spoon and sleep till my alarm hits at 6 AM. She just sleeps on.

    As I leave, she rouses a bit when I give her a kiss or two and we say goodbye. Wow! What a girl and what a night! To be repeated for sure. It's just a question of when and where.

  6. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Midwestern  [View Original Post]
    Vendelo, I also used SA in SF. $500 per date is the nodal price point for SF, especially if she's hot. Maybe try some American girls. Many of the foreigners on there have an escort mindset. But the American girls are often just girl next door types, and cannot make ends meet and / or just want to date rich guys. I mentioned that half of my SA gals were without explicit financial arrangements. They just wanted to enjoy the finer things in life, like nice outings, and they would reciprocate with GFE. For explicit P4 P, the price point is also lower with most Americans too, especially in smaller markets. Good luck.
    Does "without explicit financial arrangements" mean you paid per meeting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Midwestern  [View Original Post]
    Vendelo: Another thing to keep in mind is that SF is a prostitution haven. They are everywhere, including street walkers and in hotel lounges. And, SF is also an AMP haven. FS is available in most of them. So finding a cheap foreigner on SA isn't going to be easy, IMHO. Maybe try Americans and try areas north and south of SF, but not SF proper. If you don't mind traveling a little, I had very good success with SA in Portland, OR. Price point there is 300. And lots to choose from.
    MidW: thanks for the reply. I am actually mongering in the east bay. I've been mongering since '01: aamps, Korean aamps, AMPS, fetish houses.

  7. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by Steve9696  [View Original Post]
    I agree with Midwestern that $500 would not surprise me in SF. $400 is quite common in most big cities. Although I've gotten $300 and even $200 (once) in second tier smaller cities with second tier girls. But definitely $400 minimum for a hottie. And even tho I got three girls in NYC to agree $400 it is clear $500 was more market price.

    Now the above of course includes sex. And oh Ive gotten with three local girls of late just doing drinks rather than dinner. These were the second tier girls where I didnt really want to spend two hours gazing at them across the table. Worked the same, just a shorter and cheaper experience.
    Vendelo: Another thing to keep in mind is that SF is a prostitution haven. They are everywhere, including street walkers and in hotel lounges. And, SF is also an AMP haven. FS is available in most of them. So finding a cheap foreigner on SA isn't going to be easy, IMHO. Maybe try Americans and try areas north and south of SF, but not SF proper. If you don't mind traveling a little, I had very good success with SA in Portland, OR. Price point there is 300. And lots to choose from.

  8. #19

    Yeah $500 Seems Right

    Quote Originally Posted by Vendelo  [View Original Post]
    I joined SA about two mos ago. FYI, I am in the San Francisco area.

    At first I received a lot of favorites and messages. Most were from my area. Some were from Venezuela, Phillipines, Europe and Africa.

    So far I have met 9 women. The first mtgs were M&G over drinks where I offered $200 to show I was serious. Recap:

    1. Eastern Euro. She appeared about 10 years older than pics. Was 30 min late to a bar that was 5 min from her place. Not seeing her again.

    2. Early 20's Filipina. She changed the time by 3 hours while I was halfway to meeting. Made you turn and then I blocked.

    3. Mainland Chinese. Late 20's. Hot bod. Boring. Wants $500 per mtg. I'm not interested. Bye!

    4. 30 yr old Latina. Very good looking. Have hung out two more times. Platonic and I'm OK with that. A little too fussy and bossy. Probably done with her.

    5. Viet. 23. Cute. Hung out twice. Too far to drive. I'm done.

    6. Early 30's Colombian. Holy fuck. Hot! Wants $500 for two hours. I'm done.

    7. 27 yr old Taiwanese. Cute. Drinks too much. A little psycho. I'm done.

    8. 22 yr old in Guadalajara. Cute. Fatter in person. Nice girl. I'm done.

    9. 23 yr old Filipina. Very cute. Enjoyed convo. Wants $500 per mtg. No time limit. Will see again because I am horny.
    I agree with Midwestern that $500 would not surprise me in SF. $400 is quite common in most big cities. Although I've gotten $300 and even $200 (once) in second tier smaller cities with second tier girls. But definitely $400 minimum for a hottie. And even tho I got three girls in NYC to agree $400 it is clear $500 was more market price.

    Now the above of course includes sex. And oh I’ve gotten with three local girls of late just doing drinks rather than dinner. These were the second tier girls where I didn’t really want to spend two hours gazing at them across the table. Worked the same, just a shorter and cheaper experience.

  9. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by Vendelo  [View Original Post]
    I joined SA about two mos ago. FYI, I am in the San Francisco area.

    .
    Vendelo, I also used SA in SF. $500 per date is the nodal price point for SF, especially if she's hot. Maybe try some American girls. Many of the foreigners on there have an escort mindset. But the American girls are often just girl next door types, and cannot make ends meet and / or just want to date rich guys. I mentioned that half of my SA gals were without explicit financial arrangements. They just wanted to enjoy the finer things in life, like nice outings, and they would reciprocate with GFE. For explicit P4 P, the price point is also lower with most Americans too, especially in smaller markets. Good luck.

  10. #17

    SA vs Secret Benefits

    Which site Seeking Arrangement or Secret Benefits is good in Europe? I'm an SA vet and currently still with my SB for over 3 years. Best addiction of my life. I'm planning a trip to Europe and prefer to meet a non-pro to be my companion while there. I'm talking several days to include overnights. I want a hot, young lady to take to clubs and stuff like that. Suggestions?

  11. #16

    My SA experience so far

    I joined SA about two mos ago. FYI, I am in the San Francisco area.

    At first I received a lot of favorites and messages. Most were from my area. Some were from Venezuela, Phillipines, Europe and Africa.

    So far I have met 9 women. The first mtgs were M&G over drinks where I offered $200 to show I was serious. Recap:

    1. Eastern Euro. She appeared about 10 years older than pics. Was 30 min late to a bar that was 5 min from her place. Not seeing her again.

    2. Early 20's Filipina. She changed the time by 3 hours while I was halfway to meeting. Made you turn and then I blocked.

    3. Mainland Chinese. Late 20's. Hot bod. Boring. Wants $500 per mtg. I'm not interested. Bye!

    4. 30 yr old Latina. Very good looking. Have hung out two more times. Platonic and I'm OK with that. A little too fussy and bossy. Probably done with her.

    5. Viet. 23. Cute. Hung out twice. Too far to drive. I'm done.

    6. Early 30's Colombian. Holy fuck. Hot! Wants $500 for two hours. I'm done.

    7. 27 yr old Taiwanese. Cute. Drinks too much. A little psycho. I'm done.

    8. 22 yr old in Guadalajara. Cute. Fatter in person. Nice girl. I'm done.

    9. 23 yr old Filipina. Very cute. Enjoyed convo. Wants $500 per mtg. No time limit. Will see again because I am horny.

  12. #15

    Usually Dinner Not so Flexible

    Quote Originally Posted by Midwestern  [View Original Post]
    Good insights, Steve9696.

    Did you ever have a long term (monthly) financial arrangement? If so, I would be curious what the arrangement was. I only had one, 5 k per month, and it was because she wanted to see me every day and even gave me a key to her apartment (plus, she had a body of a Hustler centerfold). Other girls were strict about number of dates, so it wasn't worth it.

    I agree with everything you say, but one small exception. I would never do a dinner date as a first date. If there's no chemistry, then it's a waste of a couple of hours. Plus, I'm never horny on a full stomach, LOL. So, I always suggest meeting for drinks. We can split after the first drink if there's no chemistry.

    And I especially agree with you that one great aspect of SA is that most of these gals might genuinely like you, since they are not emotionless professional escorts. During initial chit chat, the question of what each other is looking for always arises, and I usually want to hear what they're looking for first, because they usually know what they want, while I'm flexible.
    Usually I do dinner because I want to. I really enjoy spending the whole evening together and dinner is a great way to start that off. I am usually quite confident we'll have chemistry because we are often chatting for a couple weeks in advance. I can always tell by the chat whether we vibe well or are just going thru the motions. My London dinner was a bit of an exception because I found the Columbianas just the night before. But it worked out great.

    But no question dinner adds a bunch of cost too. My Vegas dinners were like $200-250 each night. But I kinda just ignored it and I really enjoy the girls getting a real SD type night out.

    I did one non dinner date where she really wouldn't vibe over chat. So we just went for drinks. This was in Miami. Another Columbiana LOL. But we drank and danced and did shots and hookah for a solid three hours before going to the room. This was early in SA for me and I was not setting price beforehand but playing by ear. I was on my way to Brazil so I could afford a fail and figured if she set price too high I'the walk. So after our theee hours in leaned in and said "hey you want to get out of here — if we go to the room I'll want to give you a gift — did you have something in mind?" And she said $400.

    This is actually a reasonable and common price in the US and we were together four hours. I would have paid it. But forum friend Marelobomex had given me a priceless line that I used — "Ouch baby. That's the I don't want to go with I price. I thought you liked me. " And she immediately said 300 and off we went (best value to date — she was smokin hot. But what a priceless line. Thanks MM.

    Oh and I am not very flexible I am only in town for 3 or 4 days and wAnt to ensure a fuck every night. So I am very careful to vet the girls beforehand Nd know I have a 90% chance of scoring.

  13. #14
    Midwestern, and Steve thanks for the information.

    I think there are escorts on the site. Some are pretty easy to spot. Like how you can tell a girl is an escort on Facebook. I also see occasional use of the words snow bunny or snow something in the description. These are the words I used to see on escort ads.

    When I set it up, I was thinking about using it in South America but never did anything. I recently started to try it again but switch my location to US west coast. I notice I got many favorites from all over the places as far as Philippines or Eastern Europe which I don't see the point to reply. And I must say some US women are picky in that many want others to accommodate them, not the other way around. It is quite different from South America.

  14. #13
    Good insights, Steve9696.

    Did you ever have a long term (monthly) financial arrangement? If so, I would be curious what the arrangement was. I only had one, 5 k per month, and it was because she wanted to see me every day and even gave me a key to her apartment (plus, she had a body of a Hustler centerfold). Other girls were strict about number of dates, so it wasn't worth it.

    I agree with everything you say, but one small exception. I would never do a dinner date as a first date. If there's no chemistry, then it's a waste of a couple of hours. Plus, I'm never horny on a full stomach, LOL. So, I always suggest meeting for drinks. We can split after the first drink if there's no chemistry.

    And I especially agree with you that one great aspect of SA is that most of these gals might genuinely like you, since they are not emotionless professional escorts. During initial chit chat, the question of what each other is looking for always arises, and I usually want to hear what they're looking for first, because they usually know what they want, while I'm flexible.

  15. #12

    SA Thoughts

    Wow this thread suddenly blew up. I'll try to comment on several threads at once.

    First of all as I said it takes a lot of time to do it the way I do. But if you just want an escort they are easy to find. They most often will only message you once or twice and then want to go to phone text. And then pretty quickly ask what allowance you offer. So U can use SA for straight up escorts and that's pretty easy.

    And I don't use it like Midwestern. In my mind SB is providing sex and more and SD is providing dollars. So I don't have any unpaid SBs. (Minor exception below). It's definitely a paid gig for my girl.

    So I try to find pretty new girls and believe me they don't want to be treated like escorts and I their mind they are not. The first 10-20 messages are just friendly chit chat. If they like your sense of humor you are halfway there. At some point you will have to take it over to text. I would not discuss money on SA. The way I normally describe things to a new girl is that I don't want an escort but I also want a complete experience and a complete experience means dinner and drinks and only if chemistry is there then room time also. They we discuss what inwill pay for a complete date. And I make it clear that if the chemistry is not there we will bail after dinner. I even say I will give them $50 for their Uber if they bail. So far I am 15 of 16 with girls going to the room and having a fully satisfactory conclusion. And the one that bailed we were truly into each other and made out and all but she freaked about me being married. So it was not even a total fail and she's in my Rolodex (haha old man word!)

    As to overseas I've had two great experiences. I met a girl in Buenos Aires and we spent 21 hours together over 3 days. I gave her $1000. Not all rosy tho because I flew her to London and she broke up with me and fucked other guys on my dime. So that was a bummer! But I ended up finding a Columbian girl in London and negotiated 350£ for 4-5 hours together. And she ends up bringing her hot friend. Dinner dancing and duo sex. Completely epic. And I had told her I would give her 100 if she bails (she balked at the 50 during texting) but she didn't bail! Now to be fair it's up to you to bring the game and close the deal! Just make sure they are having a blast and ur good to go.

    Finally I generally agree to avoid Platonic girls and the number of girls looking for money for no sex is staggering and ridiculous. But I contacted one who is a hottie to see if she'the bend the rules and we hit it off soooo good. Turns out she's gay but does Cam girl etc. She's made $450 this week doing cams and photos and walking (non sexually) on a guy and dominating him. So platonic may mean no traditional sex but lots of other stuff possible. I am actually meeting her tomorrow and very excited. (Unpaid buddy date).

    To me the best part of SA is the girls decide what they want to do and how far they want to go. There is nothing like a couple hours of dinner, a couple hours of sex and then you realize she is sleeping over because she wants to! Happened twice last month (different girls) and it was awesome both times.

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