Seeking Arrangement- SA- in India

[Shnshan7]

The point I want to make is, don't ever pay advance. Chances are you will get scammed. If you are scammed, you will probably make things worse by trying to get even. That can happen if act without understanding some of the consequences. My experience is that its best to learn from mistakes and move on. I've been on SA 9 years. I pay by bank transfers, so its not that I feel scared.

Agreed and noted.

[Phil50]

How was her looks and service like? Do you make these a long term thing or a one and done thing.

Slim, dusky, long hair, Bengali girl. She has done amateur modelling.

[Phil50]

You are assuming the girl to be smart enough to have a lot of time and planning into it. With someone else's bank accounts in place, and all shadow channels so it isn't traced back to her. There's a chance she's not smart, people who scam by selling sex usually aren't. What you have outlined is the most extreme and negative possibilities in such a scenario. There are many other possibilities, with money and your influence placing you in a sweeter spot than her. If I was poor, and I know I was going to scam rich uncles, I would be scared because they have contacts. Thats a simple thing anyone would think. Whatever you outlined is very theoretical and likely would happen if you are the unluckiest man in the world, and it is the unluckiest day of your life and its not even 2% chance of that.

I work in business, yes I am ivy league educated, but my 1-year long stay in India and business scene. Let me make things very clear to you. All this theoretical BS about lawsuits, and women getting justice are truly BS. Everything runs on the money here, that's just a concept that urban teenagers like to draw from the west. Every day in business we have scams going on, people not paying back, and giving faulty products to the tune of crores, I know people who forged documents and sold land to other people, have court cases from 10+ year, and still buying mansions.

Some dude hit my car, I didn't care because wasn't worth my time. If you go to the police here and say "some auto guy stole my phone", they going to tell you to fuck off. We have to keep in touch with bureaucracy and politicians and have muscle guys to extract money bro. A friend hit and run some dude, his driver went to jail for him, he is chilling in usa today. You are stating something that happens in a perfect and just society, and India isn't that. No one cares, girl a hoe, and she will get ruined. You need balls. You are assuming, everyone will be against you, and nothing will work your way. You are assuming police will harass you. I would rather you bribe them up front to make her life hell.

Idk man, I feel you don't know the real India, or maybe you are part of a very educated urban community. I am in the business community so things for us are as real as it gets in the third world. Maybe I would think differently if I got an education and did job and stayed in discipline with rules all my life. I chose a different path. Theres a lot of ways to get back to her, the most direct being direct harassment, but if its too much for you, I get it.

I am assuming nothing. What I have posted are my real situations on SA and those of fellow mongers who have shared theirs. This is a forum where we learn from each other's actual experience. If, as you say, I don't understand how India works (never mind that I have worked for 3 decades and ran a business with 1000+ people), it would be useful if you can post your actual SA experiences in India, where you were able to take revenge on a scammer. I've not seen any actual FR of yours, or feedback on any profile. I'm not clear how most of what you post is relevant to our having a better SA experience.

To take your own example. You say you will bribe the cops (or pay others to harass) because, as you rightly say, cops are not bothered if someone has damaged your car. So, if you have been scammed for Rs 5000, how much of a bribe are you going to pay (or how much will you pay someone to trace her and then to get even) ? I can and have traced people and have the contacts, but I'd rather use them for something more important than some girl who cheated me of what I would have spent on lunch. If, as you say, whatever I've posted is BS, please tell us, in an actual situation you faced, in India, what you did differently to get your revenge.

I recently posted about a girl who took the cab fare from me and ghosted (we never met). Her name. Which I traced from the QR code of the UPI is unique. I know the CEO of the MNC she works in. It is not worth my time and the embarrassment to take it up with him. I cannot speak for others whose time and professional reputation is worth less. I also posted about another one (Spoorti) who scammed me. I know her employer and can expose her, but the chances of success and possible damage to my reputation are unknown. That's a call only I can take.

I have been summoned to the police station by someone I tried to get even with. I sorted it out paying a small chai-pani, because I understand the law and thought it important to share with others what they might not know. Let's make this a forum where we learn from facts and real experiences, not judge people.

[Phil50]

Hi bros,

Meet this gal, her ask was 20 k, was in touch with her for a while. Finally negotiated and she agreed for 15 k.

Couple of session, Gives good company.

https://members.seeking.com/member/6...6-4aaae83ba7ad

Cheers.

I had a 'meet & greet' with her. She quoted the same (15) to me. I am selective and looking for one long term partner, so I passed, else I would have gone ahead.

[Newbie1998]

Hi bros,

Meet this gal, her ask was 20 k, was in touch with her for a while. Finally negotiated and she agreed for 15 k.

Couple of session, Gives good company.

https://members.seeking.com/member/6...6-4aaae83ba7ad

Cheers.

How was her looks and service like? Do you make these a long term thing or a one and done thing.

[ExpMonger]

When they quote such a amount, I ask them if they have done modelling, or if they are an actor. 99% of them say no and then I then ask them 'why do you deserve the amount that you are asking? They either have no answers and they block you off immediately. I also sometimes say that I oly pay this kind of an amount to professional actors for a coffee date, just to rub it in.

Recently, I contacted one girl from Bangalore in SA.

She asked 35 k for 3 hours. She is 21, but medium complexion and short.

When I asked her to reduce the price, her reply was " quoting this much is my choice, because it works out well for me".

[Newbie1998]

I understand what you are saying dude, But honestly this was like if everything you have mentioned was turned to the extreme and to the point where it was too much. Allow me to explain.

First, if you look through my profile history you will see that I have had sugar babies around the world and have good friendships with quite a few of them. I currently have two with whom I share a special rapport and we hang out and know a lot about each other. SO, I think I know what I am talking about when it comes to sugar babies.

Now allow me to explain a few points.

There is having a conversation. And there is talking too much. For example. I told her the before that we would go for dosa in the morning and she spoke for 5 minutes about how "Bangalore dosas are legendary, I dream about dosas, I have eaten dosas all over Bangalore, Bangalore dosas are unique, Bangalore dosas are gift to mankind. " Then we meet in the morning and we go to a famous dosa place and the story was "I don't like dosas, I never heard about this place. I will just have a coffee instead. ". Then we talk about the past and she talked to me about her ex husband for 15 minutes about how he made her look like the crazy one.

There is drinking and chilling and then there is "pounding down vodka at 10:30 am and dancing to some hip hop music in a hip hop style" Nothing sexy about that.

I know what are sexy noises and what is dirty talk. Saying "you feel so good, don't stop, oh god, I love the way you do this" is sexy. Saying "this lady is opening up for you. " "This lady is getting ready for you. " "This lady is wide open. " is not sexy, especially when she spoke about herself in the 3rd person.

And why don't you go and google "prolapse anus" and see what you find.

It appears to me that you have not had a true sugar baby so you think this one could be a gem. But each to their own.

IndianPikachu's post is a good exhibit of how low Bangalore standards are.

[Nightmares]

Hi bros,

Meet this gal, her ask was 20 k, was in touch with her for a while. Finally negotiated and she agreed for 15 k.

Couple of session, Gives good company.

https://members.seeking.com/member/6...6-4aaae83ba7ad

Cheers.

[Phil50]

Sorry sir but I don't think you need explain this level details of sugar daddy helplessness here. There are many newbies and girls watch these post so I recommend refrain such details here. Also I think we can teach lesson which is possible if you have good contacts, we being seniors and most of our friends are in good posts and if you have such friends whom you can explain your bachelor stuff, you can always involve them to teach lesson to these girls.
Also any girl will still be scared even if family know about her as they may getting money but still dont want to get exposed in front of relations. If they are scamming and any guy has guts because he doesnt have to worry to explain to wife because either he is divorced or bachelor then he can take these actions easily.

The point I want to make is, don't ever pay advance. Chances are you will get scammed. If you are scammed, you will probably make things worse by trying to get even. That can happen if act without understanding some of the consequences. My experience is that its best to learn from mistakes and move on. I've been on SA 9 years. I pay by bank transfers, so its not that I feel scared.

[Indian Pikachu]

Hehehehehehehhehehe. Average wannabe haahhahaha. I guess fucking her brains out cannot be said for her, because she doesn't have any.

I have never understood these 35+ chicks calling themselves sugar babe:-the. But then her profile is full of contradictions. Damn the level of delusion is unreal.

[Indian Pikachu]

You are assuming the girl to be smart enough to have a lot of time and planning into it. With someone else's bank accounts in place, and all shadow channels so it isn't traced back to her. There's a chance she's not smart, people who scam by selling sex usually aren't. What you have outlined is the most extreme and negative possibilities in such a scenario. There are many other possibilities, with money and your influence placing you in a sweeter spot than her. If I was poor, and I know I was going to scam rich uncles, I would be scared because they have contacts. Thats a simple thing anyone would think. Whatever you outlined is very theoretical and likely would happen if you are the unluckiest man in the world, and it is the unluckiest day of your life and its not even 2% chance of that.

I work in business, yes I am ivy league educated, but my 1-year long stay in India and business scene. Let me make things very clear to you. All this theoretical BS about lawsuits, and women getting justice are truly BS. Everything runs on the money here, that's just a concept that urban teenagers like to draw from the west. Every day in business we have scams going on, people not paying back, and giving faulty products to the tune of crores, I know people who forged documents and sold land to other people, have court cases from 10+ year, and still buying mansions.

Some dude hit my car, I didn't care because wasn't worth my time. If you go to the police here and say "some auto guy stole my phone", they going to tell you to fuck off. We have to keep in touch with bureaucracy and politicians and have muscle guys to extract money bro. A friend hit and run some dude, his driver went to jail for him, he is chilling in usa today. You are stating something that happens in a perfect and just society, and India isn't that. No one cares, girl a hoe, and she will get ruined. You need balls. You are assuming, everyone will be against you, and nothing will work your way. You are assuming police will harass you. I would rather you bribe them up front to make her life hell.

Idk man, I feel you don't know the real India, or maybe you are part of a very educated urban community. I am in the business community so things for us are as real as it gets in the third world. Maybe I would think differently if I got an education and did job and stayed in discipline with rules all my life. I chose a different path. Theres a lot of ways to get back to her, the most direct being direct harassment, but if its too much for you, I get it.

I don't think you got what I was trying to say. My view was based on what I've actually faced. This is my 9th year on SA and I've been scammed enough times. If you were able to get your revenge when you got scammed, let us know. Things work differently in practice, than the way we'd ideally like them to work.

No girl who risks exposure will put her real pic on SA. You say 'sticking pics of her on SA'. Do you mean a fake profile made by you? That's highly illegal (enough ex boyfriends have done that and been prosecuted). Even if she does put her real pic, she'll say it's put by someone else.

If you trace her ID from a money transfer (as Ruckus2981 appears to have done and I have done in a similar case) what will you say? If you message her father or company, she'll say you are a creepy uncle who is stalking her, paid her some money to (for e.g.) help in an event and now expects sexual favors. She'll probably have screenshots of a fake TG chat to prove it. There's a chance her parent or company will go to the cops. For some complaints, like stalking, the cops are required to investigate. Maybe they won't, but does a senior professional want to take that chance?

The bank account you pay to, will probably not be hers. So if you send evidence, it will clear her and you will be asked for what purpose you paid. Do you want to risk IT taking in interest in your bank account? I know one case where it happened. If you paid cash, there's no proof of anything.
I have been told (in a return message) by the father of a scammer, that he will go to the cops for defaming his daughter.

Don't underestimate her ability to trace you (the hotel or payment app, will give your details to the cops) and write to your company or family. We guys risk more from exposure. This won't happen unless you initiate it.

Under the law in India, if you call a girl a prostitute in public, or in writing, you can be guilty of 'outraging the modesty of a woman'. In theory that's a 2 year jail term. In practice, its an opportunity for the cops to extract money from you, especially if you are older and well placed. If she belongs to a different religion, you can get into serious trouble with her community people. Even if, as a NRI, you don't face the risk of cops, you might wonder if it is worth your time to go after her for a relatively small amount. Even if it hurts your ego more than your wallet.

Its a lot simpler not to pay an advance. If you have lost money in a scam, think of it a tuition fee to learn how this works.

[Mad Hatter]

https://members.seeking.com/member/8...6-c1510cc7a20f

Had a friend use his profile to check and yep that's her.

[Mad Hatter]

Thanks a lot for the FR. Will make sure to steer clear of her. It would be great if you could link her SA profile as there are many profiles with "Princess" in their profiles.

Regards,

SC.

I think she blocked me after the encounter. So I cannot find her profile. The profile text will say "the crown sits on my head" or something like that. That is the giveaway.

[Mad Hatter]

Firstly what she provides is exactly what I want in a sugar baby, or just any girl I meet. To connect with me emotionally and tell me about herself. In bed to be vocal, indian girls are deadbeat, they don't make noises or talk dirty in bed. Making noises is like 10 x times better during action. You imo got the very best. But you are looking for an hooker, not a sugar lady. She was a sugar babe in the true sense. I would want to meet her.

As for the anus problem, I have no idea what that is, and I can only know how much it disgusts me after seeing it. But with all the net positives, the girl being fun, enjoying, being vocal, drinking and dancing and truly having a good time, I can prolly ignore that aspect. To each our own, but yeah I think this kind of behaviour is rare in India, and you really found a gem of that. Too bad, you are into the pump and go kind. Like every place in India is the pump and go kind. She made herself vulnerable to you, got to be something in her personality for sure. If anyone finds her profile link me.

I understand what you are saying dude, But honestly this was like if everything you have mentioned was turned to the extreme and to the point where it was too much. Allow me to explain.

First, if you look through my profile history you will see that I have had sugar babies around the world and have good friendships with quite a few of them. I currently have two with whom I share a special rapport and we hang out and know a lot about each other. SO, I think I know what I am talking about when it comes to sugar babies.

Now allow me to explain a few points.

There is having a conversation. And there is talking too much. For example. I told her the before that we would go for dosa in the morning and she spoke for 5 minutes about how "Bangalore dosas are legendary, I dream about dosas, I have eaten dosas all over Bangalore, Bangalore dosas are unique, Bangalore dosas are gift to mankind. " Then we meet in the morning and we go to a famous dosa place and the story was "I don't like dosas, I never heard about this place. I will just have a coffee instead. ". Then we talk about the past and she talked to me about her ex husband for 15 minutes about how he made her look like the crazy one.

There is drinking and chilling and then there is "pounding down vodka at 10:30 am and dancing to some hip hop music in a hip hop style" Nothing sexy about that.

I know what are sexy noises and what is dirty talk. Saying "you feel so good, don't stop, oh god, I love the way you do this" is sexy. Saying "this lady is opening up for you. " "This lady is getting ready for you. " "This lady is wide open. " is not sexy, especially when she spoke about herself in the 3rd person.

And why don't you go and google "prolapse anus" and see what you find.

It appears to me that you have not had a true sugar baby so you think this one could be a gem. But each to their own.

[Shnshan7]

Sorry sir but I don't think you need explain this level details of sugar daddy helplessness here. There are many newbies and girls watch these post so I recommend refrain such details here. Also I think we can teach lesson which is possible if you have good contacts, we being seniors and most of our friends are in good posts and if you have such friends whom you can explain your bachelor stuff, you can always involve them to teach lesson to these girls.
Also any girl will still be scared even if family know about her as they may getting money but still don’t want to get exposed in front of relations. If they are scamming and any guy has guts because he doesn’t have to worry to explain to wife because either he is divorced or bachelor then he can take these actions easily.

I don't think you got what I was trying to say. My view was based on what I've actually faced. This is my 9th year on SA and I've been scammed enough times. If you were able to get your revenge when you got scammed, let us know. Things work differently in practice, than the way we'd ideally like them to work.

No girl who risks exposure will put her real pic on SA. You say 'sticking pics of her on SA'. Do you mean a fake profile made by you? That's highly illegal (enough ex boyfriends have done that and been prosecuted). Even if she does put her real pic, she'll say it's put by someone else.

If you trace her ID from a money transfer (as Ruckus2981 appears to have done and I have done in a similar case) what will you say? If you message her father or company, she'll say you are a creepy uncle who is stalking her, paid her some money to (for e.g.) help in an event and now expects sexual favors. She'll probably have screenshots of a fake TG chat to prove it. There's a chance her parent or company will go to the cops. For some complaints, like stalking, the cops are required to investigate. Maybe they won't, but does a senior professional want to take that chance?

The bank account you pay to, will probably not be hers. So if you send evidence, it will clear her and you will be asked for what purpose you paid. Do you want to risk IT taking in interest in your bank account? I know one case where it happened. If you paid cash, there's no proof of anything.
I have been told (in a return message) by the father of a scammer, that he will go to the cops for defaming his daughter.

Don't underestimate her ability to trace you (the hotel or payment app, will give your details to the cops) and write to your company or family. We guys risk more from exposure. This won't happen unless you initiate it.

Under the law in India, if you call a girl a prostitute in public, or in writing, you can be guilty of 'outraging the modesty of a woman'. In theory that's a 2 year jail term. In practice, its an opportunity for the cops to extract money from you, especially if you are older and well placed. If she belongs to a different religion, you can get into serious trouble with her community people. Even if, as a NRI, you don't face the risk of cops, you might wonder if it is worth your time to go after her for a relatively small amount. Even if it hurts your ego more than your wallet.

Its a lot simpler not to pay an advance. If you have lost money in a scam, think of it a tuition fee to learn how this works.