Prague

[FiddyCent]

My opinion. If I had to take a guess as to what the future might hold. I would say, based on what we just saw in England with "Brexit", there might be some new laws passed that will prevent more immigrants from working in non native countries. So the number of Romanians in Germany might drop significantly, BUT we might end up seeing more Germans come back to the FKK seen. I don't see this happening right away, but maybe in the next 5-7 years.

Then we might see more relaxed laws regarding prostitution in other less developed countries in Europe that were hit hard by the corona virus, like Romania, Bulgaria, maybe Czech, etc, and potentially see a new seen there for punting.

What do you think?

The more I think about it BackpackBrian, the more I believe the game is over as we know it. Here are my reasons. People are scared. The Czech government has not set a clear date to reopen the borders. Clubs were already struggling before Covid-19. No new club will open up and the big clubs are likely to suffer a huge financial hit. Show Park in Prague which was slated to close, won't reopen. If your predictions come true, then the number of providers from foreign countries will drop. That will mean that many Romanian girls will go home. That signals bad news for the FKKs. Yes, that void will be filled by German girls, but they may not be the top tier models and they definitely won't be satisfied with the current rates. Game over! If the Romanian girls stay in Romania and Czech girls stay in Prague, they will operate as independents. You may see more Sugar Daddy / Sugar Baby arrangements, but that is the great unknown. There will be more competition for our dollars, and there should be a downward pressure to the prices. You will have to dig even deeper to find a gem and may encounter more scams and bait and switch, in my opinion. Prague may no longer be a top destination. Its reputation is already taken a hit. Now without order, this could be the wild west. I don't think that tourists will flock back immediately. Also, I don't believe their government wants us to visit either. Game over! Personally, I am going to make other plans now. I may need to look at Asia, since I believe this will be the first area to reopen. It is in their interest to return to normal as quickly as possible. They may have the most relaxed laws. I do hope I am wrong, but I am preparing for the worst. My future plans are aready shot, so it was good that I managed to sneak in one last visit. I don't think I will be back anytime soon. Good luck in your travels BPB!

FiddyCent.

[MelissaDeRouge]

Hi guys,

I hope everyone is healthy and safe. Wanted to do a mini report on Prague, the situation etc. I must say, that right now I am more then ever happy that I live in Czechia. The situation around covid was handled very well and I think we can see the light of living kind of more normal (altho I do not mind it which might be a bit disconcerting) life soon. Still wearing masks, but some more stores open, and hopefully in June we will be able to go for lunch to restaurant. I do not think that borders will be opened at summer to all tourists unless the situation in Europe and USA gets better. We might be safe, but we must remain safe. With the idea of everyone going into smart 2 weeks smart quarantine (and hefty penalty if you do not do that) when crossing borders to come, you better plain your trip to 2021 which looks more realistic.

Some girls have not stopped working, which is not surprising. But it is that some men still see covid as "flu" and do not care about older relatives and even visit privats. The recession will effect everyone, but those on the lower market like in privats will be effected most because they most of the time counts with money coming every day, every week, every month. I guess prices (in long term) will drop at least by 20%. Good thing for girls is that the rents got a bit cheaper too due to the fall of airBnb. But you can not expect ladies to be willing negotiate their rates. They were hit very badly by the situation, most of you have regular income and savings (which most of girls don't), and overall from January to March there is not that much work to put money on the side.

Now more than ever they will appreciate high caliber men which will treat them right (and not like order in McDonalds). You better treat those which are nice to you well. Back then you had high class escorts which you could still meet, but now those who are really interesting, move to the spoiled girlfriend sector. Keep also in mind that those with super low rates must meet way more men then those which have reasonable rates (as you would call maybe too expensive). Seeing up to 10 men a day is hard, it is not just about sex, the special girls are giving way more and they deserve your respect. So do not negotiate, they are not things.

Pozdravy z Prahy.

Melissa.

[The Cane]

I used to go there a lot from 2005 to 2008. They used to have a large selection of girls from all over Eastern Europe. At some point they remodelled, really ruining the layout of the club, whose brilliant idea that was, I have no idea. In 2009 I discovered my first FKK, Goldentime Vienna, and the rest is history, I learned that Czech clubs (I am not talking about privates, FiddyCent) are bad value for money. The service is inferior and the cost frequently higher. Sweet Paradise in 2005 and 6, was an okay deal with the prices back then and the GBP / CZK exchange rate, no longer to say the least. From what I have heard Atlas Cabaret had a lot of legal problems, I was in Prague in November and December and its previous location is occupied by Sexy Sauna Club, a poor Czech attempt at an FKK, which is very poor value for money.

When I went to Prague, the premiere club at the time was K5 Relax. Then one day it was closed. What happened? I mean, what caused its demise? I remember I went with a Russian girl there (she was a decent performer and said I had a big dick ha). I also attended Sexy Sauna Club, and agree it totally sucks. I ended up not sessioning with anybody there. There was some other club in town not too far from the main square. Wish I could remember the name of it. I remember I went with two girls there. One was a blonde Russian girl who I butt fucked. I recall she kept telling me to fuck her Russian ass LOL! Also went with another girl (don't remember where she was from) who was a loud, screamer (not fake either).

I found Prague to be an outstanding tourist town, but the mongering scene was not up to my standards (went to all the top places at the time plus did a private and a call girl in my hotel room). Agree with you that overall, you would pay too much for too little in return. Maybe if you could build up a solid stable of private girls like Fiddy, that would be one thing. But, no chance of me doing that. Been to Austria too, and even there is not up to my expectations LOL! Found no place better than Brazil or Germany. Switzerland is on par for quality service, but too expensive for my wallet. If there was no Brazil or Germany, I guess I would go to Switzerland, and just fuck less. Haha!

[Delta Indigo]

I haven't been to Prague in about 10 years and last time I was there.

Atlas Cabaret (old name) used to be one of my favorite clubs.

They had rooms where punters could take girls for 30-60 min for FS.

Question 1 - Does this new club Atlasgogo.com have rooms where you can take girls or is that all shut down?

I know they had problems over the years, shut down, re opened, shut down again, etc, etc.

Question 2 - I assume Darling Cabaret across the street still has rooms?

I used to go there a lot from 2005 to 2008. They used to have a large selection of girls from all over Eastern Europe. At some point they remodelled, really ruining the layout of the club, whose brilliant idea that was, I have no idea. In 2009 I discovered my first FKK, Goldentime Vienna, and the rest is history, I learned that Czech clubs (I am not talking about privates, FiddyCent) are bad value for money. The service is inferior and the cost frequently higher.

Sweet Paradise in 2005 and 6, was an okay deal with the prices back then and the GBP / CZK exchange rate, no longer to say the least. From what I have heard Atlas Cabaret had a lot of legal problems, I was in Prague in November and December and its previous location is occupied by Sexy Sauna Club, a poor Czech attempt at an FKK, which is very poor value for money.

It looks like the location of this place has moved, no longer the same old location. The local police chief who I think resided near the previous location had a vendetta against this club and I wonder if they are still subject to greater scrutiny than before. I am not sure this club would be anything like its former self in the heydays.

[BackpackBrian]

I haven't been to Prague in about 10 years and last time I was there.

Atlas Cabaret (old name) used to be one of my favorite clubs.

They had rooms where punters could take girls for 30-60 min for FS.

Question 1 - Does this new club Atlasgogo.com have rooms where you can take girls or is that all shut down?

I know they had problems over the years, shut down, re opened, shut down again, etc, etc.

Question 2 - I assume Darling Cabaret across the street still has rooms?

[BackpackBrian]

Agreed that the new (condom) law worsened the upsell effect, that already became more dominant in the big (tourist) clubs, since the last 4 to 5 years. Of course foreigners are also a part of the success of many FKKs (I am also not from Germany), and it is not about lot of individuals. But big groups spending way too much money in GoldenTime, Sharks, Oase, etc for mediocre service, did the average service level decline rapidly in these clubs (for the standard rates, of course when people are so stupid to consistently pay double or triple this, then the girls adapt to it. Only several (smaller) clubs did a good job in maintaining the "standard" service levels in Germany (SC Venus, Bernds, Babylon, Atlanta, etc). Happily the larger Globe in Zurich also did a good job on "service management". Like the good Privates in Prague offer still very good service, but the tourist areas (like ShowPark) are getting worse and worse.

Let's hope we can do more research on this in the coming months. The most important is we will be able to monger in any form soon!

Hi Maxime,

Thanks for the post. I used to frequent Prague 10 years ago and some of the clubs were pretty great!

I remember Atlas Cabaret (before closing) had a girl that was a dancer (tall, brunette, skinny, clit piercing, natural see breasts) I don't even think she was a pro, just a dancer there, but I had such a thing for her.

This was about 7-10 years ago.

I remember she was on their website as the feature dancer.

That's one of the reasons I went back to Prague a couple of times.

Maybe you know who this girl is?? I doubt it, but I've wondered if she moved to another club or some private agency?

I never really hit up any privates in Prague because I never spent that much time in the city (2-4 days).

Question. Can you tell me what some of your favorite privates are and what the standard prices are for 30 min.

I'm guessing $100-150 US.

[BackpackBrian]

Well, it will never go back to the way it was BackpackBrian. Several guys have noted that in the short run, immediately after the businesses reopen, that the prices will go up. Then it is up to the individual to see if they are willing to pay that. My prediction, if there are more girls working, they will all be in stiff competition for the few dollars that are floating around. You will need to remember that guys cannot just jump on a plane to go. They themselves need to build up savings and recover from the market crash. For the guys that are well off, they may go back and pay the asking prices, but I won't be one of them. This is hitting me hard in the pocket book too. If a girl asks me for more than 100 Euros for 30 minutes, then I will just not go. It all boils down to supply and demand. Who knows which FKKs will survive this? I am keeping a close eye on Prague. I am sure many privats won't be able to survive after this. In this market, you will see a jump towards more independent girls. Guys definitely need to control their urges to pay the asking price..

Hi Fiddy,

Thanks for the take on what's going on. I was prepping for a Thailand / Vietnam / Philippine / Malaysia tour in early Feb, then pass through Germany / Switzerland on my way home from Asia.

So now I'm in the waiting game. I predicted up selling and rate hikes after they announced the condom law a few backs. I started punting in 2004 right out of collage and boy it was a different time. Palace, Artemis, etc, etc.

I was in Germany late October to mid November and I hit up the Frankfurt big 5 and then a bunch of smaller clubs in and around Dusseldorf. I'm still a cheap bastard and held firm on BBBJ + FS for 50 E and I had many girls accept.

I negotiated with some for 70-80 E. The up-selling and rate hikes from the law was a very easy prediction, but this I'm not so sure about. I can't see what will happen. It's not clear yet.

My opinion. If I had to take a guess as to what the future might hold. I would say, based on what we just saw in England with "Brexit", there might be some new laws passed that will prevent more immigrants from working in non native countries. So the number of Romanians in Germany might drop significantly, BUT we might end up seeing more Germans come back to the FKK seen. I don't see this happening right away, but maybe in the next 5-7 years.

Then we might see more relaxed laws regarding prostitution in other less developed countries in Europe that were hit hard by the corona virus, like Romania, Bulgaria, maybe Czech, etc, and potentially see a new seen there for punting.

What do you think?

[FiddyCent]

Agreed that the new (condom) law worsened the upsell effect, that already became more dominant in the big (tourist) clubs, since the last 4 to 5 years. Of course foreigners are also a part of the success of many FKKs (I am also not from Germany), and it is not about lot of individuals. But big groups spending way too much money in GoldenTime, Sharks, Oase, etc for mediocre service, did the average service level decline rapidly in these clubs (for the standard rates, of course when people are so stupid to consistently pay double or triple this, then the girls adapt to it. Only several (smaller) clubs did a good job in maintaining the "standard" service levels in Germany (SC Venus, Bernds, Babylon, Atlanta, etc). Happily the larger Globe in Zurich also did a good job on "service management". Like the good Privates in Prague offer still very good service, but the tourist areas (like ShowPark) are getting worse and worse.

Let's hope we can do more research on this in the coming months. The most important is we will be able to monger in any form soon! .

From what I am reading, this coronavirus is not going away anytime soon. With no way of knowing when the curve will flatten and no vaccine in place, the borders will remain closed to foreigners. Eventually, there will be a lot of desperate girls out there looking for money. The men may not show up either, because they themselves will be struggling to rebound from the financial hit they have taken. Also, with air travel restrictions still in place and a self quarantine order upon arrival, this may discourage travel well into the future. Most people have on average two weeks on a trip. If that is enforced, who will waste their time flying to a foreign country only to spend it in a hotel room? Which escort will risk visiting a guy in his hotel room? If there is no drop in numbers in Europe and the coronavirus expected to resurge in the fall, that leaves a really small window of opportunity to travel. Of course the girls will demand more money, as there is a perceived risk, but if a guy is desperate enough he might pay any price for the service. If you are already in Europe, you should have more options. For those in sex prison, we are scrambling for alternatives. Also, based on the information I am reading, the Czech Republic has no set timeline as to when they will reopen the borders to foreigners. Best case scenario, the virus disappears in June. That leaves a 3 month window to visit. Worst case scenario, the virus lingers on and there is a second wave of infections. That will keep everything locked down and places closed. That will lead to a huge economic disaster. People will become desperate for money and work. Cities may descend into chaos. Let's hope that this apocalyptic scenario doesn't play out. All the best to you Mon. Ami!

FiddyCent.

[Maxime]

I believe the same number of overseas tourists visited FKKs in the past, Maxime. It's downfall can be traced directly back to the condom law. You still can get substandard FKK service if you pay the posted 50 Euros for 30 minutes. The girls now just have an excuse to upsell. Besides now that all the FKKs have been forced to close their doors, tell me where are the girls working now? They need men like us and foreign money to survive. So, think of this as a positive. You will have your reset button. Just push it. In Germany and in the Czech Republic, wherever you decide to return first.

FiddyCent.

Agreed that the new (condom) law worsened the upsell effect, that already became more dominant in the big (tourist) clubs, since the last 4 to 5 years. Of course foreigners are also a part of the success of many FKKs (I am also not from Germany), and it is not about lot of individuals. But big groups spending way too much money in GoldenTime, Sharks, Oase, etc for mediocre service, did the average service level decline rapidly in these clubs (for the standard rates, of course when people are so stupid to consistently pay double or triple this, then the girls adapt to it. Only several (smaller) clubs did a good job in maintaining the "standard" service levels in Germany (SC Venus, Bernds, Babylon, Atlanta, etc). Happily the larger Globe in Zurich also did a good job on "service management". Like the good Privates in Prague offer still very good service, but the tourist areas (like ShowPark) are getting worse and worse.

Let's hope we can do more research on this in the coming months. The most important is we will be able to monger in any form soon! .

[FiddyCent]

Hi Fiddy,

Do you think this virus will change pricing after quarantine is lifted and the FKK's re open?

I posted about the condom law before it took affect and said all we would see is a price increase with more up selling, I was right.

Do you think this virus will change it back or make the girls upsell more?

Just looking for your opinion as I have read your posts over the years.

Well, it will never go back to the way it was BackpackBrian. Several guys have noted that in the short run, immediately after the businesses reopen, that the prices will go up. Then it is up to the individual to see if they are willing to pay that. My prediction, if there are more girls working, they will all be in stiff competition for the few dollars that are floating around. You will need to remember that guys cannot just jump on a plane to go. They themselves need to build up savings and recover from the market crash. For the guys that are well off, they may go back and pay the asking prices, but I won't be one of them. This is hitting me hard in the pocket book too. If a girl asks me for more than 100 Euros for 30 minutes, then I will just not go. It all boils down to supply and demand. Who knows which FKKs will survive this? I am keeping a close eye on Prague. I am sure many privats won't be able to survive after this. In this market, you will see a jump towards more independent girls. Guys definitely need to control their urges to pay the asking price. If not, this market will be lost forever. I predict that Show Park won't survive. They were planning to close anyways. When the girls are finally allowed to work, they will organize in groups themselves, or work independently from pimps for a bigger cut themselves. They may have boyfriend / pimps or need to hire protection. What I believe is, the rebound won't be as quick as I would hope. We are all in this for the long haul. Everybody suffers. The latest reports say that the Czech Republic won't reopen their borders in the near future. That will hurt all the girls. They will try to find other ways to make money. You may see more girls work as Cam girls. The others will look for sugar daddies. I believe this is where you will find most of the action. It will be the same for every country. It may be time for me to move on as well. I don't have a crystal ball, but I see opportunity. If not in Prague, then elsewhere. Play it smart!

FiddyCent.

[BackpackBrian]

I believe the same number of overseas tourists visited FKKs in the past, Maxime. It's downfall can be traced directly back to the condom law. You still can get substandard FKK service if you pay the posted 50 Euros for 30 minutes. The girls now just have an excuse to upsell. Besides now that all the FKKs have been forced to close their doors, tell me where are the girls working now? They need men like us and foreign money to survive. So, think of this as a positive. You will have your reset button. Just push it. In Germany and in the Czech Republic, wherever you decide to return first.

FiddyCent.

Hi Fiddy,

Do you think this virus will change pricing after quarantine is lifted and the FKK's re open?

I posted about the condom law before it took affect and said all we would see is a price increase with more up selling, I was right.

Do you think this virus will change it back or make the girls upsell more?

Just looking for your opinion as I have read your posts over the years.

[FiddyCent]

Completely agree. This is THE reason many german FKK / Clubs went downhill last few years. Too many (oversees) tourist that pay double the normal rate for a standard session. And of course most girls adapted to this as the new standard in clubs like Sharks, Oase, etc.

I believe the same number of overseas tourists visited FKKs in the past, Maxime. It's downfall can be traced directly back to the condom law. You still can get substandard FKK service if you pay the posted 50 Euros for 30 minutes. The girls now just have an excuse to upsell. Besides now that all the FKKs have been forced to close their doors, tell me where are the girls working now? They need men like us and foreign money to survive. So, think of this as a positive. You will have your reset button. Just push it. In Germany and in the Czech Republic, wherever you decide to return first.

FiddyCent.

[Maxime]

"Think like a local and make appropriate choices. I would encourage visitors to not give into the prices they set."

Wise words that apply to anywhere you go. Whether its a restaurant, lodging, or pay-for-play service. Part of the reason that some tourists are despised by locals not just in Prague, but in many cities around the world, is that they inflate prices for the people that have to live there. Its not about how little it costs you. Its how that amount compares to average earnings in that locale.

Don't be the ugly tourist. I tip after if the chemistry was good, and I felt that the girl gave good service. 100 or 200 crowns that was unexpected is better than paying exorbitant amounts to a "high-class" escort.

Completely agree. This is THE reason many german FKK / Clubs went downhill last few years. Too many (oversees) tourist that pay double the normal rate for a standard session. And of course most girls adapted to this as the new standard in clubs like Sharks, Oase, etc.

[D Rick]

Yes, a small part of what you say may be true, Delta Indigo. Girls will try and make up for lost revenue by increasing prices. I will tell them that I am only going to pay the going rate. If we buy into their logic, then this city will be lost forever. As far as I remember, privat prices have remained around 1500 CZK per hour. The local men are up in arms when the rates went up to 2000 CZK in some privats. For a tourist, that may only be about $ 20, however for a local, that is a 33% increase. Think like a local and make appropriate choices. I would encourage visitors to not give into the prices they set. For example, the rates at Show Park have risen considerably while privat rates have remained the same. Where will those girls go when they need a place to work? There should be a larger number of providers. Just swoop down and make the girls a fair offer. If they refuse, then move on. Oh, and by the way, I would never use a non-metered taxi. There are taxi apps now that will tell you the rate before you board. I believe that UBER is now well established in Prague. I have used them several times with great success. Those drivers deserve more business. You do have your choices. Everyone just need to stick to their guns. Keep them locked and loaded.

FiddyCent.

"Think like a local and make appropriate choices. I would encourage visitors to not give into the prices they set."

Wise words that apply to anywhere you go. Whether its a restaurant, lodging, or pay-for-play service. Part of the reason that some tourists are despised by locals not just in Prague, but in many cities around the world, is that they inflate prices for the people that have to live there. Its not about how little it costs you. Its how that amount compares to average earnings in that locale.

Don't be the ugly tourist. I tip after if the chemistry was good, and I felt that the girl gave good service. 100 or 200 crowns that was unexpected is better than paying exorbitant amounts to a "high-class" escort.

[FiddyCent]

Interesting, I think you are right about new entrants to the providers market. However I know from past experience that Czechs, and not only them, have some strange logic in this respect. When times are bad and the market is depressed they try to raise prices to make up for it instead of lower prices to reflect demand. I had never experienced this messed up counterintuitive logic before, but I heard it is something that is not uncommon in emerging markets.

I remember specifically taxi drivers in Prague, not the normal metered ones, would tell me that because of economic crisis (2008 to 2012) we have to ask for higher prices. Basic economics would dictate otherwise.

Yes, a small part of what you say may be true, Delta Indigo. Girls will try and make up for lost revenue by increasing prices. I will tell them that I am only going to pay the going rate. If we buy into their logic, then this city will be lost forever. As far as I remember, privat prices have remained around 1500 CZK per hour. The local men are up in arms when the rates went up to 2000 CZK in some privats. For a tourist, that may only be about $ 20, however for a local, that is a 33% increase. Think like a local and make appropriate choices. I would encourage visitors to not give into the prices they set. For example, the rates at Show Park have risen considerably while privat rates have remained the same. Where will those girls go when they need a place to work? There should be a larger number of providers. Just swoop down and make the girls a fair offer. If they refuse, then move on. Oh, and by the way, I would never use a non-metered taxi. There are taxi apps now that will tell you the rate before you board. I believe that UBER is now well established in Prague. I have used them several times with great success. Those drivers deserve more business. You do have your choices. Everyone just need to stick to their guns. Keep them locked and loaded.

FiddyCent.