Moscow

[CharlieH]

Its official!

Moskva is now THE most expensive city in the world!

Costs of living has passed Seoul, Tokyo, Hong Kong, etc.

Pussies made out of gold? Or tuna sushi?

Non-oligarchs need not apply.

This could be both good and bad. Aside from the apparent negatives, the bright side is the high cost in Moscow will deter many potential tourists from visiting.

[Bez Bezarra]

Its official!

Moskva is now THE most expensive city in the world!

Costs of living has passed Seoul, Tokyo, Hong Kong, etc.

Pussies made out of gold? Or tuna sushi?

Non-oligarchs need not apply.

[Cartesio]

Hello guys,

I am thinking to visit Moscow for one week in July because I am attracted from the "incredible russian beauty".

I am reading this forum, but it is not an easy task.

Can you say me if Moscow is dangerous for strangers, especially for men looking for women?

What do you suggest? Hotel or apartmen?

Any other relevant information?

Thank a lot

Cartesio

[Synombinky]

This keeps going back and forth, back and forth. So I'll add another back. I'd recommend EE women anytime. In my opinion (of course, there are exceptions everywhere) they usually TRY a hell of a lot harder to look good than their american counterparts (see the American Women section of the board for that rant). Granted, I'm in Prague and not Moscow, but the women around here sure dress and try harder to look better, or at least they dress a hell of a lot more "feminine" than women of the same age group in the U.S. Thank f***ing GOD the women here don't all walk around in sweatpants, sweatshirts, white tennis shoes and fanny packs. They're all still trying to look like Gloria Swanson. I've actually only seen one woman with hairy legs so far, but she had a shaved head and an orange robe, so I'm pretty sure it was a cult thing. True, old ladies are old ladies, but seeing a group of thirtysomethings all squeezed into low-cut summer dresses, push-up bras and pumps never fails to bring a smile to my face. Hard living ages people, but for my money most of these ladies have to move their asses far too often to let them get too big. So I guess that's my 2 kopeks.

Binky

"Women in Russia always look is younger than the years"

I was only two times in Russia, but I spoke and met many russian girls in net in the last 2 years and 99% of them look really much older than their years..

Victoria, I understand that you are russian, or ukranian.. and your try to defend russian women, but here more or less we all know the truth cause we saw it with our eyes.

I agree with It Travel,eating zero fruits and vegetables, smoking as lada and drinking alkohol as fish drinks water made them always older than they are.

Also most of men do not care and do not like about women over 25/30,cause they think are old and under some aspects they surely are.

The same situation I found in czech and slovak republic,where often in entrance of disko I saw bodyguards asking to girls ID cause also 16-17yo look as 20yo and older.

It is very hardly to find in east europe woman about 40yo still sexy,in good shape and beautiful,but it is pretty common in west europe where a girl 18yo still look as child.

They are as rose...so nice...but for very very short time.

p.s. For everybody who wants to see how is the truth,it is enough to do a quickly search in LL for age in russia,or ukraina, and you will see, if they look younger or older than their age. Try it...

[Sparkey]

Question - I was in Moscow a few weeks back and stopped by Ishtar on 2 separate evenings only to find it was closed.

Does anyone know if this world class brothel is still open?

If not what is the best alternative?

[It Travel]

Rovnak

some links in SPB for sponsoring I belive the pics are true (then if the girl coming is the same of the picture I surely do not know!).

No model type, but specially the last ones seems not bad at all...

let me know if you get to nail some...

http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=640877

http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=633382

http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=641273

http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=630492

http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=631071

http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=603222

http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=627603

http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=607740


IT

[It Travel]

Several points:

Yeah, the 50,000R ($1800) seems low considering that you suggested weekend prices can go up to $1200.

What would you expect a looker like that to command for a weekend in Moscow terms? This by the way is an SPB girl. As I live in SPB, but there is no discussion of sponsorship there, so I jumped in this thread.

Why do you write that the 50,000 implies she wishes to "move in"? Is it possible she has other job and just wants sponsorship for luxury money. Of course, this would also limit the amount of time she was willing to spend with the sponsor. That is why I asked if there were conventions for time spent toghter in one of those monthly arrangements if you were not living together.

Also, I understand that sponsorship is considered quite different from hourly prostitution. And, yes, for a woman who posts exclusively for sponsorship I would never suggest hourly meeting, as I know they would take offense.

However, I only mentioned that there are quite a few posts on love.mail.ru where the girls are primarily hourly pros and make no bones about it, but they ALSO post that they are looking for a sponsor. That is why I was saying there are two types. Those who are looking exclusively for sponsorship, and those who are working hourly but hoping to "move up" to a sponsorship.

One last thing. Some of the sponsorship adds also have a quote for "meeeting". How is this different from "night" price quoted by the pure prostitution ads? Or are they the same thing?

Here is example with a 6000R price for "meeting".
Цена за встречу 6000 руб

http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=641778

If you go on omen in SPB city you will find 140-150 girls... select the city with the menu...

Never seen the girl, but for 6.000 RUR a meeting, meaning a day or a little bit less, it seems a fake photo (as written), too model type. By the way a meeting is something like a early dinner and a night of sex, the perhaps breakfast and lunch... It's up to you and her.

Of course when you have a girl sponsored living with you she will not charge and amount per fuck! All should be included!

IT

[It Travel]

Hey IT,

Would it be too difficult to find a "real" russki GF. I mean: no obligations, you would bang her as long as you find it enjoyable, then go to next one.

Of course it would not be cheap either - you would have to buy her presents - but not as expensive as sponsorship girls.

I do not think it is so difficult. If you are under 45, good aspect and better wallet and, of course, live in Moscow they will still queue for you!

Unfortunately I'm in Russia only few days each time and with very little time to spend privately. For me sponsorhip or hooker is better and cheaper!

Bye

IT

[Jovon]

OK, let me try this again.

Is the Oh La La still open? Anybody been there lately?

Is it worth a visit?

Thanks

[San Tarm]

Hey IT,

Would it be too difficult to find a "real" russki GF. I mean: no obligations, you would bang her as long as you find it enjoyable, then go to next one.

Of course it would not be cheap either - you would have to buy her presents - but not as expensive as sponsorship girls.

[Member #4732]

Several points:

Yeah, the 50,000R ($1800) seems low considering that you suggested weekend prices can go up to $1200.

What would you expect a looker like that to command for a weekend in Moscow terms? This by the way is an SPB girl. As I live in SPB, but there is no discussion of sponsorship there, so I jumped in this thread.

Why do you write that the 50,000 implies she wishes to "move in"? Is it possible she has other job and just wants sponsorship for luxury money. Of course, this would also limit the amount of time she was willing to spend with the sponsor. That is why I asked if there were conventions for time spent toghter in one of those monthly arrangements if you were not living together.

Also, I understand that sponsorship is considered quite different from hourly prostitution. And, yes, for a woman who posts exclusively for sponsorship I would never suggest hourly meeting, as I know they would take offense.

However, I only mentioned that there are quite a few posts on love.mail.ru where the girls are primarily hourly pros and make no bones about it, but they ALSO post that they are looking for a sponsor. That is why I was saying there are two types. Those who are looking exclusively for sponsorship, and those who are working hourly but hoping to "move up" to a sponsorship.

One last thing. Some of the sponsorship adds also have a quote for "meeeting". How is this different from "night" price quoted by the pure prostitution ads? Or are they the same thing?

Here is example with a 6000R price for "meeting".
Цена за встречу 6000 руб

http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=641778

[It Travel]

No negotiation,
I just believe that the pics are not true for 50.000 RUR a month.

A sponsorship in that area of price means that the girl(s) are at your home...

I'll have some problems in belive it!

Contact her and ask for a dinner (of corse you have to pay), in a very nice restaurant, telling that she might be as beautiful as the picture... not the "same" girl as the picture (this has no really importance, and the fact that you tell her is really important).

If she come, ok go on, if she do not come, just eat...

I can suggest you a good restaurant on Petrovka, on the left side coming from the Red Square, just before the monastery on the right side, I do not rememebr the name, but you'll find it...

Bye


PS by the way I have never spoken in sponsorship on "hour work", it's always at laest day work, otherwise they think you treat them like a ***** and you will be pissed off by GFE!!!

IT thanks for reply, very informative.

Yes, I have seen the omen "looking for sponsor" ads. And also in love.mail.ru. It seems that in many cases these are pros who hope to land a sponsorship. I know this for a fact that most of the "want sponsor" ads on love.mail.ru are hourly pros as well. As much as anyone is a pro, since many younger pros are full time students as well.

There is a subtle difference b/t the pros hoping to find a sponsor and the girls who only want a sponsor and will not work short time. The girls who work hourly but hope to land a sponsor will post their phone numbers. The girls who only want a sponsor typically do not post their phone numbers. They expect you to give them your email or your number and then contact you to set up a meeting. I exchanged emails with a few stunners like this but I was turned off by their monthly price quotes when I tried to compare the amount of fun that could be had for the same $ spent incrementally.

There was even one super hot duo that would only accept someone to sponsor both of them. Would that I had the wallet for that scene.

However, your points about weekend sponsorship is interesting and something I might consider as my todo list on the SPB pro market is non-existent right now.

So, let me get this right, IT. Some of the "sponsor only" types that will refuse hour and two hour work, could be approached for a weekend? That is an interesting option. I assumed it was "monthly" or nothing with those girls. This opens a whole new set of options.

Here is a link to a "monthly" only ad on ome.
http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=610884

She quotes 50,000R month -> $1800 USD. I would not spring for that on a montly basis as I want more variety anyway. But I might enjoy her company for a weekend. What do you recommend starting the negotiation at for a weekend?


I did meet one beautiful and sexy Moldavan pro in SPB who's fantasy is to go to Paris. I asked her if I paid for trip would she would go as my girlfriend and not expect additional compensation. She said, of course, if I paid for trip she would be my girlfriend. Something to consider.

[Tenchi]

re :http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=610884


just thought you should know that the lass in that ad's pic is a porn model... I've noticed this is the case with a lot of those omen sponsor ads, bit hit and miss though I guess.

Good luck though

[Member #4732]

IT thanks for reply, very informative.

Yes, I have seen the omen "looking for sponsor" ads. And also in love.mail.ru. It seems that in many cases these are pros who hope to land a sponsorship. I know this for a fact that most of the "want sponsor" ads on love.mail.ru are hourly pros as well. As much as anyone is a pro, since many younger pros are full time students as well.

There is a subtle difference b/t the pros hoping to find a sponsor and the girls who only want a sponsor and will not work short time. The girls who work hourly but hope to land a sponsor will post their phone numbers. The girls who only want a sponsor typically do not post their phone numbers. They expect you to give them your email or your number and then contact you to set up a meeting. I exchanged emails with a few stunners like this but I was turned off by their monthly price quotes when I tried to compare the amount of fun that could be had for the same $ spent incrementally.

There was even one super hot duo that would only accept someone to sponsor both of them. Would that I had the wallet for that scene.

However, your points about weekend sponsorship is interesting and something I might consider as my todo list on the SPB pro market is non-existent right now.

So, let me get this right, IT. Some of the "sponsor only" types that will refuse hour and two hour work, could be approached for a weekend? That is an interesting option. I assumed it was "monthly" or nothing with those girls. This opens a whole new set of options.

Here is a link to a "monthly" only ad on ome.
http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=610884

She quotes 50,000R month -> $1800 USD. I would not spring for that on a montly basis as I want more variety anyway. But I might enjoy her company for a weekend. What do you recommend starting the negotiation at for a weekend?


I did meet one beautiful and sexy Moldavan pro in SPB who's fantasy is to go to Paris. I asked her if I paid for trip would she would go as my girlfriend and not expect additional compensation. She said, of course, if I paid for trip she would be my girlfriend. Something to consider.

[It Travel]

Dear friends, usually I just take Fiday-Monday sponsoring… It can go from 500 to 1.500 USD, depend on girls.

I got an offer from a former model (180 cm really skinny) for 1.200 for a long weekend… Of course you have to be kind, the GFE depends on this… food, some little present (usually some lingerie) and of course hotel etc.

The best of sponsoring is, as told, that you can find still naïve teens.

Just for being really transparent, my next one, a chubby blonde, 170, something over 65 kg, medium English and really funny will do anything in bed that you like (intercourse with condom) but nearly all is allowed, in unlimited quantity, she just told me (at a dinner) tha the only things she prefers to food is sex! An I believe her even if not tried her yet … CIM with this long blone hair will be fantastic… and I’ll try to get her with pig tails for anal!

Getting beck to our things

The “monthly” girls usually tend to meet you before at least once, then they will take some luggage and get to your place. Of course you pay a lot for them. Wealthy Russians think they are just part of the house, like the furniture and change them often or, perhaps get two or three girls in the same bed. Usually the normal ones, not the stunners, are treated like home appliances. That is the reason, I suppose, for whom, as a foreigner I get lots of mails from this girls, and from the seen ones, even offers, with a friend, for a duo or so.

Getting out of the office and knowing you have a beautiful one willing teen warming up your be is something too much for me I will not resist one month! I’ve heard from Iriska, good but surely not the best fuck, but offering every thing fro 250 a day plus 200 for her friend Olia, but I’m a little bit tired on them… So I’ll go for others

If you go on www.omen.ru, a site for Russians, you will find hundreds. Approximately one third are fake photos, but the other are real, and sometime you even got the telephone number.

Some have monthly price, some daily, some both. For along weekend just take the daily price and multiply by nights and make some discount, they will accept. Most of the young teens, you recognise them from the homemade pics, some are real models over 23-25, will just ask you an offer, and then they will decide if stay or not… usually for a three night week end 500 USD for a 5-6 girl (but perhaps a 18 teen with incredible tits!), and 800 for a 7 is OK. A model type will go on 1.200. Most will make BBBJ and CIM, less than expected will do anal, few sex photos.

The best thing is to take them to some fun the have not done, think that the non model type, I got a date with a very sophisticated one, wanting 500 USD a day, will be happy with some food in a quite normal restaurant: all will ask for sushi, and half will not eat it! Mind they usually are quite simple and not wealthy, being clerks or working in shops for 300/400 USD a month (even less) and in Moscow it’s really nothing. So they do not have any money for any thing.

Iriska was 22 (telephone not avaliable... sorry), so se was born during the collapse of the Soviet Union. I took her skating (on ice)… at Gorki Park: 300 RUR an hour, she never did it in her life… living in Russia, a girl wich never skated! So mind that if you treat them gently they will be happy, they are not simulating anything, you are just buying some days of their lives and they are happy to sell it. If you look at www.omen.ru, at the top lists of girl interests there is fantastic, fantasy and so on… they just dream of being others for some days. With monthly girls I suppose it’s different. I have seen some teens around 100.000 RUR/onth I think I will die for!

I hope the thinking is clear, and I must say that some of my favourite pros sometimes are treated, by me, in the same manner, just staying there more time. Of course thy are not naïve, but they are more skilled and, obviously, more expensive.

The best thing you can do is just book an hotel for the days chosen, and book them as guests too… And just fuck them as much as you can, by the way there are even few duos for sponsorship.

IT