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  1. #73304
    Quote Originally Posted by Lged821  [View Original Post]
    This FR is of yesterday. Had Seema from SP T. Now this was after the shit went down last time with be* Tamanna (Had KLPD / bad exp. Check my old FR post about her) so complained to SP T and he finally came through yesterday. Long story, not worth listening, what's worth listening is the FR so I'll get to it right away.

    So, wanted her for night but I had plans with friends for S Mall at 9:30 and the time was 1 PM right now so msg'ed SP T and he recommended my Seema (his personal recommendation and didn't let me choose myself which I'm glad he didn't let me).

    Finalized for 10 k+1 k (cab) as usual. Time Stay 6 hours give or take. No shot count, but 2 or 3 is max I can handle anyways LOL so who cares, there was no restrictions from SP though. I specifically told T to make sure Girl understands I am a disappointed client and I want my experience I'm craving for. T said no need to say anything, this is his responsibility as we both knew this was the 2nd and last chance I'd give T's services and if he didn't came through, there are plenty of other SP's who will. However he did the best anyone could have done. Not sure if T is a member here however he definitely get's to know FR's of his girls.

    So contacted T 1 PM, he sent pics and told me go with Seema, I checked with Rahul Bhai to be sure and he said be / w Maya / Seema, go with Seema, very friendly girl and told me to also give his ref being a friend which I did. So finally told T at around 1:30 so send Seema over and he did. Through a bit late, she came around 3:20, which is OK, our time limit was till 9 PM (8:30 PM acc to T but I managed)..
    Nice report, I will see her next time I come to Delhi, can you able to share the contact for the SP.

  2. #73303

    You rock

    Nice FR.

    It does not lookalike it's your first FR. The word you have used in FR, generally used by a experienced FR. I remember my days when I start writing FR, I used to finish in 4 or 5 line.

    Nice FR keep it up.

    Quote Originally Posted by RockStud  [View Original Post]
    Tried this delightful chick (name starting with first letter word of one of the leading brands of General Mills) who had just come to India from Kenya. Knew about the address as lot of Afro girls live in the same flat near a famous sweet shop in Hauz Rani. The girl was a fucking delight with well endowed features, awesome ass and overall a fucking body. This was my first African experience and intend to experience all girls in that area. Starting with some Kissing, foreplay and my eyes moved towards your heavenly melons. Kept Sucking them and biting Her nipples. Took Her in WOT, missionary and doggy style positions. Then she tried to give me a handjob and licked my body to make me hard again. She refused Anal though lot of Afro girls allow anal in same vicinity. Finally give me a fucking CBJ with a deep throat for around 5 mins as I was in no mood to cum so early for the second time. Awesome experience over all NI, NE and CSI girls I have tried so far. Must recommend to all members..

  3. #73302

    Need help

    How do you access Adult Friend Finder? It's blocked in India right? Also any more details on cpl4 passion?

    Quote Originally Posted by JimDiscreet01  [View Original Post]
    Check out cpl4 passion on AFF no charges as you are into online fun as well you will like it.

    Cheers.

  4. #73301

    Afro Girl in MN

    Tried this delightful chick (name starting with first letter word of one of the leading brands of General Mills) who had just come to India from Kenya. Knew about the address as lot of Afro girls live in the same flat near a famous sweet shop in Hauz Rani. The girl was a fucking delight with well endowed features, awesome ass and overall a fucking body. This was my first African experience and intend to experience all girls in that area. Starting with some Kissing, foreplay and my eyes moved towards your heavenly melons. Kept Sucking them and biting Her nipples. Took Her in WOT, missionary and doggy style positions. Then she tried to give me a handjob and licked my body to make me hard again. She refused Anal though lot of Afro girls allow anal in same vicinity. Finally give me a fucking CBJ with a deep throat for around 5 mins as I was in no mood to cum so early for the second time. Awesome experience over all NI, NE and CSI girls I have tried so far. Must recommend to all members.

    Report Card.

    Face 8/10.

    Boobs 9/10.

    Pussy 9/10 (Tight).

    CBJ 10/10 (Awesome deep throat).

    Anal No.

    BBBJ Yes (But I refused citing fear of infection).

    DATY No.

    Vfm 10/10.

    Wir Sure.

    Damages 2 K for 2 pops.

    Note: Kindly note all pictures shared by African girls are not their real pics so need to check them out face-face.

    Not sharing photoshopped images.

  5. #73300

    Any hint about MP name

    Any clue about MP name? Thanks in advance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lion21  [View Original Post]
    It is opposite to the famous mall in Saket (but much near to Malyviya Nagar metro station).

    I was with my friend so bargain the price for two with 1000 per head. I told the lady on counter that I want FS and it should be included in this price, if not then how much should I tip inside to which see said 100 only. Which blow my mind 1100 for FS! That too in Saket.

    I selected: Simran Age 26.

    Room condition: 5/10 . It didn't had proper bedsheet instead disposable giant napkin convering the bed. But it had Mirror in which you can see yourself in action.

    Massage: 5/10 . Even before starting the massage she stripped herslef to innerwear..

  6. #73299
    Would you please DM soni Ali digits.

    I don't mind sharing anything relevant.

    Quote Originally Posted by DanShin  [View Original Post]
    FR 1: Disha with SP Sumit. Thanks to Mechie78 for sharing the contact. Much appreciated.

    Messages SP and he sent pics of 2. Selected Disha as she was better looking. His Den was (2-3 months ago) near Vinobhapuri Metro Station. Chotu came to receive. Went to the place with him which was on first floor. He made me sit in the lobby while the 2 girls kinda rampwalked one after the other. Since I had already made my choice, I went with Disha. Talked for a few minutes and then she did a little gesture with her head and eyes meaning like, Lets get it on. Both undressed a little, kissed for a while and then she started sucking my balls and giving BBBJ. It was fucking toothy and I was put off at that instant plus Jhonny stopped cooperating after that. I put on the see and pumped her for like 10-12 minutes in missy while she lay like a dead fish. Cleaned up, gave chotu a tip and left.

    Looks: 7/10 She's good looking.

    Body: 8/10 Pretty average. She's tall and not fat.

    Pussy: 8/10 Fairly tight.

    Boobs: 6/10 small but firm.

    Skin: 7/10 smooth.

    GFE: 2/10 dead fish.

    BBBJ: 3/10 toothy.

    Damages: 2 k. SP asked for 2. 5 but negotiated.

    Similarity to pics: 9/10.

    Initiative: 0/10. Plays Dead.

    WIR: SP maybe, girl NO.

    Pic 1,2,3,4.

    FR 2: Indi Soni Ali. Thanks to Ferguson for the digits. Much appreciated.

    Messaged her at about 6 pm and decided for 8-11,2 shot. Met her not far from her place and took her to a hotel in GK2. She was a little late and said she just got back from work and took a shower. Her hair were wet and she wore somewhat skimpy clothes which I didn't like. We chatted for about 30 minutes before the deed. I asked is she'd like to eat something but she declined. I undressed her which was fun cz she's se petit and kinda cute. I read in earlier FR's that she doesn't like to give BJ so I avoided. After some kissing and sucking we started with missy for a few minuted followed by WOT for around 10 minutes and she was moaning. Finished again in missy.

    Then we watched some TV and she was giving nice GFE and putting her head on my shoulder. She began asking me more details about how I came across her number and suddenly she said, 'Apko ISG se mila'(Did you get it from ISG) and I was like WTF. She was all praises for Rahul Bhai but told me not to share her review. LOL. She also said that her father had a heart attack and is bedridden so that is why she is doing this.

    We started again at 10:30 and I wanted to do more exciting stuff for the second time but she was not that cooperative. Kept her pussy contracted when I was trying doggy and said that it hurts which I didn't like. She was open to WOT and missy only and I don't even ask for a BJ unless I know the girl will be into it. The session lasted for around 20 minutes and she fake came saying, "Oh Shit". I was laughing in my head and we checked out at 11:15.

    We took the same cab back as I had to meet a friend on the way. I remembered that I didn't pay her. She didn't even ask. I paid her before getting out.

    Looks: 7/10 She's pretty cute.

    Body: 7/10 She's about 5'2" and has a pretty slender body. Very good if you like to pick up and bang.

    Pussy: 8/10 Fairly tight.

    Boobs: 7/10 small but mouthful.

    Skin: 8/10 very smooth.

    GFE: 7/10 More so when you're talking.

    BBBJ: NO.

    Damages: 5 k /2. Asked for 6 k but bargained hard.

    Similarity to pics: 8/10. Face is not so bright and smooth in reality.

    Initiative: 2/10,2 for moaning, otherwise no initiative but is active.

    WIR: Maybe, if I have nothing better.

    Pic 5.

    FR 3: Lily Thai. Thanks to OralGuy814 for the digits. Appreciate it!

    Had been messaging her since long but timings were not matching. Finally had her for 1 session. Her place is pretty easy to locate and she sends the pic of her front door. She greeted in some kinky outfit, offered water and asked if I want some snacks, trying to please in every sense. She asked what kind I massage I want and I went for oil massage. I expected better massage from a Thai because I got a much better one from Maya at LotusGK2. Her B2 be was much better than her hands and she tickled and teased a lot. She put on the see after 15 minutes of massage and started BJ. It was one of the better ones I've had. I put my hand behind her head and gave a few slight pushes which made her go deep and she didn't mind. She sucked my balls and kissed a lot of good spots. Then followed a marathon of mixing Doggy Missy and WOT for 15-20 minutes. She came once (or did she? : p) before I finally came. She took out the see, took me to the shower and washed me. She never lets you do any work except for fucking her. Then we chatted again and she was cribbing about how the Spa business is taking a hit and that she'll go back after 2 months. I told her that it'll all be over after the elections. We chatted for some more time before I left.

    Looks: 6/10.

    Body: 7/10 Average. Not fat, not slim. Short height.

    Pussy: 6/10 Not that tight.

    Boobs: 6/10 small.

    Skin: 9/10 silky smooth.

    GFE: 9/10 Tries her best to please.

    BBBJ: 7/10. Quite Good.

    Damages: 3 k fixed. She doesn't quote but asks how much you'll pay. So that's her lowest.

    Similarity to pics: 10/10. Same to same.

    Initiative: 8/10. Takes initiative.

    WIR: Yes.

    Pic 6,7.

  7. #73298

    Seemaaahhhhhhh

    This FR is of yesterday. Had Seema from SP T. Now this was after the shit went down last time with be* Tamanna (Had KLPD / bad exp. Check my old FR post about her) so complained to SP T and he finally came through yesterday. Long story, not worth listening, what's worth listening is the FR so I'll get to it right away.

    So, wanted her for night but I had plans with friends for S Mall at 9:30 and the time was 1 PM right now so msg'ed SP T and he recommended my Seema (his personal recommendation and didn't let me choose myself which I'm glad he didn't let me).

    Finalized for 10 k+1 k (cab) as usual. Time Stay 6 hours give or take. No shot count, but 2 or 3 is max I can handle anyways LOL so who cares, there was no restrictions from SP though. I specifically told T to make sure Girl understands I am a disappointed client and I want my experience I'm craving for. T said no need to say anything, this is his responsibility as we both knew this was the 2nd and last chance I'd give T's services and if he didn't came through, there are plenty of other SP's who will. However he did the best anyone could have done. Not sure if T is a member here however he definitely get's to know FR's of his girls.

    So contacted T 1 PM, he sent pics and told me go with Seema, I checked with Rahul Bhai to be sure and he said be / w Maya / Seema, go with Seema, very friendly girl and told me to also give his ref being a friend which I did. So finally told T at around 1:30 so send Seema over and he did. Through a bit late, she came around 3:20, which is OK, our time limit was till 9 PM (8:30 PM acc to T but I managed).

    Now, last time when I met Tamanna, T's girl, driver tried to ask for $$ but I said will give to girl and driver / girl agreed but this time, a diff driver asked for $$$ and I said will give to girl as I usually do but he was adamant, so gave him anyways (not to waste time and SP T has good repo so that's alright).

    Got Seema to my Flat, she came and I had a good look at her when she was inside my flat. She is beautiful, looks clean, hygienic, long hair, looks fair (but she is not, a bit more on dark complexion once makeup wears off which I noticed when she left, but the kind of service this was, IDGAF, she was the best I could ask for! She placed her hand bag and sat on bed, started some small talk, a bit hesitant at first (we both were) but within 5-10 minutes she was like one of those cute young girl with nautanki (not nakhra which I loved, this is what GFE is all about). We talked and talked, she told me where she is from, her likes, dislikes, and we talked about SP T's other girls, she calls all of them didi (translation: sister), which was nice. Got to know many names. This went on for an hour. I offered her snack, cold drink, offered her beer / whiskey before she came but she passed as she left smoking some months ago and doesn't drink. I on the other hand don't drink however I smoke and she didn't feel uncomfortable with that. While she was eating chips, and the TV was on and we were talking, and she ate chips and shared with me as well. We shared Crispz half and half and kissed, happened several times. Loved the way she initiated every time, this is what GFE is all about. While this happened, we turned off the TV and lie down and she started the kissing, it was amazing. This probably was the first time where I wasn't aroused by just the act (kissing) like physical touching stuff but we connected quite well so that was huge turn on. I told her stuff I like in bed and she told me stuff she liked. One thing I loved about her is, she isn't scared about being honest or being scared if the client will like this or that. I was telling her stuff and I was a bit serious in that and she on the other hand started mimicking me on that with childish face. Just too good. Though our first session went for like 50 minutes, it didn't feel 50 minutes. We probably kissed for the better half part of it only LOL. I explored every part of her juicy lips, mouth, and tongue. It wasn't wild as most people like, I like it slowly, gently and passionately and that's what was happening. While kissing, removed her bra, removed her top, and jeans. She had only panties on while she started undressing me at the same time we were still having that make out session. Now, I have a GF and the thing about people having wife / GF (no offense to anyone) is for the most part of sexual life, there is a bit of BJ or no BJ at all, so we pay for these kind of services however while having that make out session, BJ hardly came in my mind, I just wanted to insert so badly. I came on top of her while I am naked and she in her panties and I started dry humping her, aw that felt amazing. I sucked her boobs every single skin on that good sized (not huge but more than fine) boobs and then we came to our normal positions and the make out is still happening, I start fingering her and playing with her clit vigorously, initially slowly and then paced up a little and maintained that pace. You could see how much she was enjoying that. At the same time she was playing with my dick and balls. Now generally at this time of the act, I ask for BJ but for some reason I just wanted to fuck her so badly that BJ got out of my mind LOL, so did that. About 9-11 minutes in the sack, she made noises (fake / real doesn't matter) but she came while doing that, you could notice she came when immediately she pulls her V out of my the and her ass is kinda shaking / vibrating for good 4-5 seconds. She had that smile on her face, I did mention DATY but she didn't wanted do for which I was fine with though I didn't notice any bad smells or such. Immediately after she came she made me lie down and started giving me BBBJ. It felt nice and good, she was not toothy at all, which was a first for me. Though the BBBJ was for may be 3-4 minutes, I was the one who made her stop that and made her do WOT as I was more interested in fucking her. Finally after couple more positing, and lastly we were doing miss, I came in her (with protection of course), now this was a first time exp where I came inside a WG and not at those fantasy places like boobs, CIM, COM, COAss etc etc. Just by this you guys can imagine I was moved out of those porn fantasies we all love and was really intimate with her. I don't know what was that, may be T made her understand really well my past exp or may be Rahul's ref came in handy when I told her I am Rahul's friend, but this was my best exp till date with anyone. Though 50 minutes session can be considered long for most, remember out of that, 50% of the times we were just kissing and while I was fcking her in miss, we were constantly kissing and caressing each other's bodies. So technically I came within 15-20 minutes which is the fastest I have came in a long time.

    Though I could write a book about our exp however this has already been big enough FR so let me keep the 2nd session short. Now while we got done with 1st, we headed to watch tv while being naked the whole time. We watched some songs, saw Kabir singh, interestingly enough she has seen all Kabir singh's songs but not the movie itself, as we were short on time, she saw only half of it. Our 2nd session started probably after 1-2 hours of 1st. Again mostly same however I started kissing / licking her body. Now she was pretty adamant about not doing DATY and I'm not one of those who would force someone just because I am paying someone for it, however I can certainly charm myself right? That's exactly what I did and it worked! She for the whole time I was down there, she said stop, don't do it, please etc etc, with which of course she means keep doing it and don't stop. After being down there for 6-7 minutes, it was like if I be there for 2-3 minutes more, she might come but it seemed as if she doesn't want to come in DATY but rather do it in miss or other position (prolly one of those who enjoys DATY but prefers to come to penetration). Anyways, we changed positions and I did want a bit of BBBJ at the time, but she said No (not in rude way but like, keep fcking me and stop change the motion right now, once she comes, then no issues LOL). Anyways, did missy but she came in WoT. Once she came, she looked like she wanted to sleep as being exhausted, both our bodies were in sweat. She actually stop for may be 20-30 seconds and sat on my dick when she came just to enjoy that moment, but I wasnt done here so now I went in a bit wild in WoT, then she comes down and gives me the most soft, vigorously fast enough (the pace I like it) BBBJ, again, no tooth at all. Licked and sucked my balls, and used tongue alot down there. Now this session has been more than an hour inc little bit make out we did however as this was the 2nd session, we wanted to do more stuff. We changed positions and I pumped her in doggy now, she looked like she could submit right there and say she was pretty badly exhausted and same as me but she didn't stopped (which I really appreciated, shows her dedication to her work being professional) neither did I. I loved every single bit of it. It took me a min to find the hole in doggy as it happens with me often as I do this very less though I'm fond of it alot. She guided me down there, that was a bit embarrassing for me LOL. Again in 6-7 minutes, we changed positions and she gave me a bit more BBBJ but this session was already too long so I took matters in my own hand while DFK'ing her, took 5-6 minutes more. Now on first session I came inside, 2nd session I wanted to try something diff, so while stroking myself, I asked her for CIM / COB and very elegantly she made a bit uncomfortable face which I really didn't mind but I wanted something so I asked for come on boobs which she was fine with so finished myself on her boobs though it did went to her neck and face a bit. Took couple of minutes to relax my paced heart and then rushed for napkins and cleaned her. We both showered a bit and then she wore my T-Shirt, we still had about 90 minutes left, but I really was't up for 3rd session, I could but I knew these 2 sessions were exhausting enough for both of us and I wanted to spend time rather than just this now. This whole exp was such a GFE exp for me that now It'll be very hard for me to be okay with anything less. We lie down and watched some scene of Gully boy, she told about her past exp with some weird customers and how they handle bad customers and bit about Tushar which just got more to respect Tushar more and how he handles her girls quite nicely as a professional and quite brotherly when it comes to their security. Then we watched half of Kabir Singh and whole time she kept on kissing me either on neck or lips or face and I did that a bit too, felt such a GFE. Then she finally got dressed and I accompanied her to her cab. We hugged and parted ways. This was probably the first time in my mongering exp that I tipped someone, so tipped her 500 for an amazing time (Of course I won't do this often as that can inflate rates). There is much more to write but I'll just end with ratings here now so.

    TL; DR Ratings.

    Looks: Face: 8/10, Body - 8/10 (Some stretch marks).

    Attitude: 11/10.

    DFK: 11/10.

    Sex: 10/10.

    BBBJ: 9/10 (9 for not being toothy, but I'm guessing it can be better with being sloppy and gulping but I didn't ask her for that anyways neither this came in my mind until just now).

    GFE: 11/10.

    Overall: 9/10.

    Damage: 10 k+1 k cab 6 hrs, we didn't decide on shots neither SP said. I am guessing she could do 3-4 if you come fast or 2 if you take time.

    Verdict: She is pure GFE. I did see a report here that she being mechanical however I didn't felt that a bit but as said many times, it depends on what kind of rapport you build with the girl, mostly if you are good, or make her feel queen (don't go with this attitude like, fuck I am paying for her now I have to bear her tantrums or make her feel queen? Money isn't everything, that girl is also a human being).

    WIR: SP. Of course, Girl. Yes, but may be after a bit, as I have 3 right now in queue including some indies.

    Pics attached.

    I have 2 more FR's to submit, but hardly getting time because of busy schedules but this FR is of the latest encounter, I had 2 other encounters for which I'll post soon.
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  8. #73297

    Bro, I'll be visitng Delhi soon. Would you be kind enough to share her digits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhtdmo  [View Original Post]
    Had her for one night! She is damn good. She has knows all the tricks in the trade, you need to just ask for it. What is your kink? - GFE, PSE, DFK, BBJ, CIM, CIM with sallow, COF, massage in between session or rimming? She got it all! Only two drawbacks. One, she is not super slim and second she doesn't do anal. But she knows how to take care!.
    Bro,

    I'll be visiting Delhi soon. Would you be kind enough to share her digits?

  9. #73296
    Quote Originally Posted by BadMan27  [View Original Post]
    Got these pics from one of the sp in Delhi. Asking 18 k night. Says Russian.
    Do you mind sharing the digits of the SP?

  10. #73295

    MILF Thai

    Had a good experience with a MILF Thai at a spa on 1st floor, Shopprix, Noida. Excellent massage followed by shower and then action which included DFK, B2B, BBBJ and the end in doggy. Shower once again followed by disinfectant spray all over me and a mouth wash.

    8 and 2.5.

    Decided to visit LWS Sec 51, Noida. Lucy is back and had a ball of a time. Action included BBBJ, rimming, DATY, DFK and missy.

    1 and 2.

  11. #73294

    Spa malvia nagar

    Bro, can you share sm more detail about the spa. I mean sm hint about name and location. Regards.

    Quote Originally Posted by DetJunky  [View Original Post]
    Also visited a SPA in Malvia nagar you can google, had 8 girls but he only showed 3, one has older and cute NI face, 2500 for house for massage and then inside she asked 2000 for one shot, face was cute, good attitude body as chubby, did a quick shot and left she had a nice ass.

    When I was leaving I saw few really good looking once in the halls.

  12. #73293

    No Problem Bhai

    Quote Originally Posted by MRahul84  [View Original Post]
    Bro,

    Not my fault.

    She was going next day Thailand.

    She asked me to come and meet her.

    She cancelled 3 appointment.

    Gave all excuse that me with her.
    No problem Rahul Bhai. Understood & returned back.

  13. #73292

    Sakshi

    Hi Bro,

    She is an Indie based out of Saket. Average service.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ajonair  [View Original Post]
    Anybody tried the attached one? Asking 5 k / S at her own place in S. Delhi.

  14. #73291

    S Mall Aus club

    So as always, went there again. So many chicks, very less genuine. IDGAF for most but 2 chicks, one Muskaan and other Payal.

    Muskan is that cute soft skin (not petite but not fat either) looks like a Teddybear with the best smile ever, spent time with here, though as little, loved it.

    Other Payal, very very hot, mostly wears half top which is so tight. My last 3 visits, I always stared at her but she was mostly booked for long time, so never got a chance, yesterday got a chance, her height is bigger than me LOL however as she was so hot, just wanted to do something. To my surprise she does do things, and not just sits and company clients. Made her sit, smoked with her, she smoked inside my mouth and I do her, it was awesome, however she didn't seem interested in me at all LOL probably because of height and prolly wanted just those 500. Anyways, as she was hot, I sat with her finally, and it was end of the time (1 AM) so tried grabbing her boobs, man so soft, felt awesome, pinched nipples, took a peak, and kissed her, lip locked and tongues touched. Didn't do much for me as it was a 5 min session LOL however just in my mind that build up from last 2 visits of me staring.

    Posting this here to ask if anyone has contacts / ref to get these chicks out of the mall for FS. I'd love to pay Muskaan or Payal for FS however when asked Payal says she is married and doesn't do outcalls / incalls, just the club stunts for 500/ person. Same thing with Muskaan, says she has a BF and won't go out regardless how much $$ I am sure there is a way, just need to find the right person to get ref, anyone can help with this?

  15. #73290

    Huh?

    Hi,

    I am a member here from quite a while and I completely agree with you here, I have seen senior members here pretending to be most helpful and selling WG Indies however No offense here but this coming from you is a bit ironic as I remember when you posted a chick with car pic for trip here some months ago and one more with pic of Payal and I PM'ed you for contact and you said msg me on WA and then on WA you said this chick is not available but one other chick is available (you said it in Hindi) and WG's rather than helpful. I did post about it too here in July http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...elhi&p=2345823#post2345823 without naming you here but that post was for you. Care to explain?

    Quote Originally Posted by PakkaIdiots11  [View Original Post]
    I am sure you got this sp number from some member of this form.

    They also blame other member for work like sp, also make many ID with different names.

    But eqchully they are real sp.

    And get money for giving number to someone.

    And also behave like a so called most helpful men type.

    I alert many time all members if someone give you a contact without any terms it means he get something in return for this work by the wg or sp.

    Please understand what I say.

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