Kyiv

[Curious12]

What can you tell about heaven, what is it?

It's a night club, I have been there a few times with a friend. I just mentioned it because I was asked about clubs that can be reached from Kreshatik by simply walking there. I'm not sure if there are any WG there, but as usual some pretty Kiev devushkas visit the club.

Here you can see the lastest pictures:

http://nightlife.tochka.net/gallery/cat/5991/page/1/

If you're standing at the centre of the Independance Square, you have to take the street on the left side and in 2 minutes you will be there.

I have attahced a picture of club's entrance.

[Insomniaque]

You wrote that 'increased chances of getting a GFE' was your sole justification for mongering at Rio strip club. I suppose the reason for your expectation of an increased chance of GFE at the strip club was based on the fact that it is a controlled environment and presumably the club supervises its product (the girls) and exercises 'quality control' to insure they behave properly.

Nope, I did not rely on the club and the management (which is doing fuckall, I guess) but rather on my own skills; I mean, the way it works (eye-contact, private dance, interview) was meant to make a proper selection, while such a selection remained hardly possible with regular WG which are always "straight to business". But as I have learned at my own expenses, sometimes you are just not skilled enough =/

I had other reasons for going to Rio which are worth considering. My reasons were (a) cost—rlated and (be) efficiency—related.

(a) In terms of costs, I felt that the prices being asked by the girls in the nightclubs ($300 or $400 for two hours, which is a net rate of $150-$200 per hour) were higher than the costs at Rio ($300 for three hours, or a net rate of $100 per hour). I was capable of utilizing and enjoying three hours with a beautiful girl, and the price was low enough, so I was ok with the 3 hour minimum.

(be) In terms of efficiency, the girls at Rio were all collected there in one place beginning earlier than nightclubs at 8:00 PM opening time and were being passed directly in front of me a few at a time, leaving me free to easily approach and make contact with any girl I saw that I wanted to speak to, or have her summoned to me by a manager. I could fully see the body and looks of each girl from all angles. This was much more efficient than the nightclub scene where I would have to chase all over a nightclub after a girl I might like or go to nightclubs all over the city and then at each nightclub I would have to spend time to figure out who was an 'available' WG. Plus my visits to Avalon and Buddha Bar were failures because there were not a lot a lot of girls to be found there at the time of my visits. So I didn't want to waste more time with the nightclubs, and chose the efficient and more certain location for girls who I might take home.

I also felt that pursuing internet girls was a very inefficient direction to pursue because of the fake photos and bait and switch which resulted in a colossal waste of time. So despite the lower prices on the internet, I limited my involvement with mamba. Ru and top-modals. Com and other websites to daytime hours when there were no nightclub or strip club options, but for the evenings I felt the only viable options were nightclubs or the strip clubs like Rio.

I agree with all this. Only if you choose to play it carefully (private dances, drinks, drinks for the girls, tips to the management and so on) at the end of the day, your Rio girl may cost you more than $300. 2-3 private dances / interviews and you already find yourself around $400. It goes up pretty quickly. Hence the importance of making the right choice. I really have no problem with the 3h minimum, PROVIDED I am with the right girl!

WHAT DOES A 9 OR A 10 LOOK LIKE? : In order to avoid further confusion on this issue, I am attaching hereto pictures of girls who I think could qualify as beauties to be rated as 9's or 10's.

This is a nice initiative as it allows to "calibrate" our respective scales. Okay, here is how I see things:

Stephanie Glasson: 4. NOT DO-ABLE (unless she pays)

Jayde Nicole: 8.

Kassie Lyn Logsdon: 9+

Tyffany Selby: 5-6.

Tyran Richard: 8 for the face (the eyes!) , but her tits are just fucking horrible.

Amelia: 9.

Heather Renee Smith: 6. Because I am in a good mood.

I expect some of you to freak out at me. From my perspective, a girl with fake boobs (or anything fake, for that matter) can hardly qualify for the highest ranks. I like tits that look like tits, not fucking footballs. Stephanie Glasson, for instance, is the very illustration of a trend that will undoubtedly lead the world to ruin.

Anyway, regarding Rio, as this was the point, IMHO there are girls that are (much) more beautiful than this.

We men are peculiar. We like to argue about irrelevant things. Nevertheless, the photos clarified the difference of opinion. People just like different things. Here are 2 girls of the type that we are discussing, one typifies the hard core professional that can be found at Rio, and the other the 20 year old student that can be found elsewhere.

I find this really caricaturated. I have been to Rio 5-6 times and I have not seen many specimens of such hard core pros as your picture. As a matter of fact, I can't remember one. There are many girls in Rio whom I do not find attractive, but they are very far from being that worn out! Most of them are younger and fresher, and much less surgery-damaged. Thank God. As for the other girl, I am not too impressed. There are fresher things out there than FTV models =)

I am curious about your replies, since this is the most popular thread of the Ukraine forum. What do you think about the attached girl? What do you think about her age, body, work, prices, services? Is she a next-door girl or a model-style girl? Etc.

Obviously a girl next-door. I would say a 7 or an 8. But difficult to tell really, this photo doesn't show much. Maybe you have some more pics? As for the price, assuming you have never met before, around 80$ per hour? Something like that?

[Member #4243]

Hi to all members. I have 3 specific questions regarding Rio club I have not been able to find answers to on the forum.

1) I am british born, I live in england and of egyptian parentage. I have read clubs like shooters can have a 'racist' door.

Policy. Can someone confirm if Rio club is friendly towards foreigners, especially men of middle eastern appearance, and.

That if any members of this forum have seen foreign middleeastern men inside Rio club. It would be awful to fly in from.

The you. K. And then to be refused entrance.

2) is a smart trouser / shirt / shoes okay for entrance / face control / or is a smart suit blazer jacket needed?

3) finally apart from $300 take out fee is a budget of 600 grivnas enough to cover Rio extras (100-entrance; 200-manager tips; 200-dance; 100-non alcoholic drinks as I do not drink? Thanks mohab.

[Hummer Bird]

hard core professional that can be found at Rio, and the other the 20 year old student that can be found elsewhere. One of them will cost $300-500, The other can be had for $100. There is different fantasy component to having sex with someone like that.

YEAH! This is what I am talking about! FANtaStiC!

[KievGuy]

Your questions have for the most part been answered in recent posts even in just the last 2. 3 months. I know I have written about prices on mamba and top modals, and others have as well. Just go on top-modals. Com website and you will see a number of girls asking 400 UAH which is $50 USD, although they tend to be the less attractive of the lot. Same on mamba. Ru website or street. So by reading the forum properly, you and other newbies asking for info and advice that has been repetitively posted on the thread just so you could read it and benefit from it, could benefit far more than just signing on and asking questions. As others have written, and this is in caps for a reason, RTFF.

Now having gotten that off my chest, and certain that you will heed my advice to read at least the last 2. 3 months of this thread, and more if you have time before your trip, I will explain to you what has worked for me in the past. The reason for the girls demanding payment up front is because they have experienced or heard about guys who fuck and then don't pay the girl and THEY don't want to get ripped off after giving their body to some asshole. Once you understand where the girls are coming from you can take reassuring steps designed to show them that you are not such a rippoff guy and they have nothing to fear from you.

Here is what you should do: tell the girl that you understand her concerns but you also have concerns having heard stories about not nice girls taking money and then ripping the guy off. Tell her you are happy to take out and show and count the money to her satisfaction so she knows it is there for her, if she agrees that the money will be placed on top of the table and she is only to take it when she is leaving after finishing the session. If she agrees, it is a sign of her good faith. If she will not agree even to that compromise, it is a sign that she knowes she has no intention of providing good service, and you would be best to cut such a girl loose.

The money being left on a table that she can only take later, provides a psychological stimulus for her to perform properly.

Good luck

Yes, some have probably been answered. I'll be honest and tell you that, while I appreciate everyone's experience, what I value most is that you are willing to give immediate advice without forcing me through reams of data, much of which is useless to me personally. Thank you in advance for your expertise!

I DID look, just for the record, and saw your post about putting the money on the table, etc. I DID do exactly as you suggested, and it didn't work. She left. Not saying it happens every time. Obviously not for you. But it DID happen to me that way, and I'm pretty sure others who use Mamba will also get that experience. So maybe the difference was in the type of service? In the event, I did use the same Mamba escort service, paid up front, and got what I wanted, so it's all good.

Yes, you'll find a VERY SMALL number at 400 UAH, but that will be for basic service which is not my own personal requirement. And I doubt based on what I've heard here so far that anyone on these boards would be satisfied with what you get for under 400UAH. Certainly not getting good service from a 7 at that rate, IMO, unless you're OK with a ho-hum condom ride.

FYI, this isn't a "trip" for me. I live here, a point I thought I had made earlier. Maybe not. Now you know. I went by Buddha Bar and Arena today at 2PM. No one there at all. I'm sure this comes as no surprise, just trying to add to the information here. Arena. Ditto. I'll check out some other clubs and let you all know as I scope them out (what's with the "Red Lion"?). And yes, thanks for the wishes of good luck and I DO really appreciate the time you took to respond!

[LilJoey]

Wow, you HAVE been lucky! NONE of the Mamba girls I've had matched. And they wanted substantially more than what you've quoted. $50 / hour or less? How did you negotiate that rate? I'm curious as to whether time of day / season affects price.

Also, I've heard some posters say they don't pay until services are rendered. I've tried that and actually had one girl leave because I refused to pay up front. Is the practice of not paying in advance restricted only to a particular type of girl, for example, escort service vs. Stripper vs.

Your questions have for the most part been answered in recent posts even in just the last 2. 3 months. I know I have written about prices on mamba and top modals, and others have as well. Just go on top-modals. Com website and you will see a number of girls asking 400 UAH which is $50 USD, although they tend to be the less attractive of the lot. Same on mamba. Ru website or street. So by reading the forum properly, you and other newbies asking for info and advice that has been repetitively posted on the thread just so you could read it and benefit from it, could benefit far more than just signing on and asking questions. As others have written, and this is in caps for a reason, RTFF.

Now having gotten that off my chest, and certain that you will heed my advice to read at least the last 2. 3 months of this thread, and more if you have time before your trip, I will explain to you what has worked for me in the past. The reason for the girls demanding payment up front is because they have experienced or heard about guys who fuck and then don't pay the girl and THEY don't want to get ripped off after giving their body to some asshole. Once you understand where the girls are coming from you can take reassuring steps designed to show them that you are not such a rippoff guy and they have nothing to fear from you.

Here is what you should do: tell the girl that you understand her concerns but you also have concerns having heard stories about not nice girls taking money and then ripping the guy off. Tell her you are happy to take out and show and count the money to her satisfaction so she knows it is there for her, if she agrees that the money will be placed on top of the table and she is only to take it when she is leaving after finishing the session. If she agrees, it is a sign of her good faith. If she will not agree even to that compromise, it is a sign that she knowes she has no intention of providing good service, and you would be best to cut such a girl loose.

The money being left on a table that she can only take later, provides a psychological stimulus for her to perform properly.

Good luck

[Explorer69]

[. There's also Heaven, located on Grinchenko 7, literally 2 minutes walking distance from Independance Square. . [/QUOTE]What can you tell about heaven, what is it?

[CityHunter77]

Wow, you HAVE been lucky! NONE of the Mamba girls I've had matched. And they wanted substantially more than what you've quoted. $50 / hour or less? How did you negotiate that rate? I'm curious as to whether time of day / season affects price.

Also, I've heard some posters say they don't pay until services are rendered. I've tried that and actually had one girl leave because I refused to pay up front. Is the practice of not paying in advance restricted only to a particular type of girl, for example, escort service vs. Stripper vs.

I have to thank Hunter Dave for the contact. Tried to PM you, but you haven't got a subscription.

Even if you are 54 as long as you are fairly well off you can have any Girl.

How has your experience been so far regarding performance of the Girls?

[DoctorOral]

In every girl next door their is a sugar mommy waiting to break free. 20-22 years of age. Costs vary to her experience with guys, on Average I'd guess she'd ask for 500-600 grn an hour. Sexually with the right timing & words, actions, you'd be able to get her into more adventurous activities. A good 7. Or an 8. You can apply makeup, a pretty dress, high heels, & a gocci hairdo, maybe a little colour in the hair some ear rings, & bam!

What I think of her?

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[KievGuy]

Yes well spotted Harry.

The highest I ever paid on a Mamba girl was $100 for 2 hours. I've been lucky so far as all girls matched the photos.

I'll ask her the questions, but looks like a boob job for sure.

If I'm going to pay any higher than $100, I'll just stick with Rio / Mandarin to be on the safe side.

Anyone have news about Mandarin yet?

Wow, you HAVE been lucky! NONE of the Mamba girls I've had matched. And they wanted substantially more than what you've quoted. $50 / hour or less? How did you negotiate that rate? I'm curious as to whether time of day / season affects price.

Also, I've heard some posters say they don't pay until services are rendered. I've tried that and actually had one girl leave because I refused to pay up front. Is the practice of not paying in advance restricted only to a particular type of girl, for example, escort service vs. Stripper vs.

[Mystery77]

I am curious about your replies, since this is the most popular thread of the Ukraine forum. What do you think about the attached girl? What do you think about her age, body, work, prices, services? Is she a next-door girl or a model-style girl? Etc.

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In every girl next door their is a sugar mommy waiting to break free. 20-22 years of age. Costs vary to her experience with guys, on Average I'd guess she'd ask for 500-600 grn an hour. Sexually with the right timing & words, actions, you'd be able to get her into more adventurous activities. A good 7. Or an 8. You can apply makeup, a pretty dress, high heels, & a gocci hairdo, maybe a little colour in the hair some ear rings, & bam!

[Curious12]

So, I will go to Rio as almost everyone recommends. As I mentioned I live on K Street (or near) and want to avoid a cab. Anywhere else walking distance you'd recommend? I'm thinking Arena? How about O'Brien's? Others? I don't like to use cabs because they rip you off every time! I can walk up to 2 kilometers comfortably no problem from here. Should include more than just the few I mentioned above?

If you live on K street, it would just 8-10 minutes for you to walk to Rio. Many people like to stay at Kreshatik 25, famous building with a star. If you are in that area, then you can just cross the steet and walk and you will be at Rio.



Arena is very close as well. O'Brien's is a little far on Mikhaylovskaya street. There's also Heaven, located on Grinchenko 7, literally 2 minutes walking distance from Independance Square. Also check Budda Bar and D'Lux.

[Curious12]

The girl on the pic (1) with coloured dress is not the same from the nacked pic's (3)

Take a look to the tits.

And 200 for 1 hour you can get for 200 a girl for one night)

Good catch. I checked it further and I believe the girl on the third picture is Kayden Kross. Type her name in google pictures and compare. I think it's her. Actually that is why I prefer RP (too bad it's gone) , Rio, meeting girls on the street or in stores instead of using Mamba.

[CityHunter77]

Yes well spotted Harry.

The highest I ever paid on a Mamba girl was $100 for 2 hours. I've been lucky so far as all girls matched the photos.

I'll ask her the questions, but looks like a boob job for sure.

If I'm going to pay any higher than $100, I'll just stick with Rio / Mandarin to be on the safe side.

Anyone have news about Mandarin yet?

The man is right. Where have the tits gone in dress photo? Ask her if she had a boob job in between photo shoots? But with or without tits, her face is pretty, although if anything similar to the girl an any of her photos ever showed up from a Mamba contact, I think most of us would be in shock. But for the moment let's assume she looks like her photos. The problem is how to approach negotiations on price.

Usually, it is more productive to try to get them to expand the time, rather than lower the price of 1 hour. You might say that you will be happy to give her $200 but only if she stays for 2 or 3 hours, and if she balks at that you might come down to a minimum of 2 hours. $200 for 2 hours is an acceptable rate in Kiev of $100 / hr and certainly if she looks like the girl in her naked pictures.

Or if you really want her, and your budget allows, and you sense she is stubborn on her rate, then throw her an unexpected curve and say that you have seen so many fake picture girls and that "conditioned on her appearance being exactly as in her profile photos" you are ready to offer her more money! You might say $300 for 3 hours, or $400 for 6 hours, which is more money than she asked. Then the larger amount of money to be earned might tempt her. These rates are not higher than the strip club rates for a hottie, so you will not be overpaying, even if she says yes. Then If she shows up and is a different girl, you can hold an entirely new negotiation right then after she has already invested her time to come, and you can make a deal that is consistent with her actual looks and appearance.

Ultimately, even for a model type you should try to get the rate down to between $100 to $150 an hour, in order not to be paying more than the rates at the strip club or at nightclubs like D'lux or at the Buddha Bar.

LJ

[Prosal]

But men have different tastes. Do you really feel she is a 9? Then how would you rate the 6 models whose photos were in my prior post?

I'd take her anyday.

Who cares about photoshopped pics of improbable glamurnoe kisos? Would be more interesting to see pictures of normal girls (girls who didn't expect any financial benefice but simply liked you as a person) you actually wooed, charmed and fucked.