Kyiv

[Sorbonne]

We ate lunch and talked about everything. After a while we made it to the bedroom and fooled around a bit. She skipped her first class to stay in bed with me but I insisted that she make it to the rest of her classes as I was in serious need of some rest. She told me she would be back at 7:00 PM to wake me up. I told her I wanted to take her to dinner and ice skating.

Rob,

Thanks for the great read, and congat for your nice first visit to Kiev!

But this is not the end of your report, is it? I mean it so abruptly ends, and you're giving me an anxiety attack! Anna? I'm hoping she's not my Anna! I also hanged with a girl named Anna in Kiev this past summer, who was 18 and a virgin at that time. And I left her as she was... Every description of her fits, except that you said she was a blonde. Was she a blonde-blonde? My Anna was a blonde-brown. What is she studying? Mine is studying art. I even took her to ice skating!

Sorry for my anxiety, but hope you let us know what you ended up doing with her. LOL!

[Latexian2]

I was there FRIDAY night, I left at 11:30pm.

There were about only 8-10 people in the VIP room and the 2nd stage upstairs.

Only 8-10 people on one of the busiest night of the week and the empty tables were all reserved, it seems they just do this so that you pay them extra.

This is a common practice in many clubs all over the former Soviet Union. Ukrainians know the game. Either give the management some incentive to let you sit at a table (promise to spend money) or just pay them outright. Many clubs / strip clubs in the former Soviet Union have explicit separate prices for bar-room or table. In fact there are often different prices depending on which table you want.

[Muddy7]

"Is this it?" I remember thinking the same thing on my first entry. I recieved some very invisiting looks from two dancers at the time upstairs. I sat at the bar had a glass of wine. Could not really sit at the seating area because 2 guys kinda took up all the space. Went downstairs for a look & found it to be completely empty of customers. Went to sit down, & as yourself the "manager" comes over. This table is reserved.) I see I said. What about that table over there? Reserved. Oh I see, so all your tables are reserved but no people around.

Good few days buddy.

I was there FRIDAY night, I left at 11:30pm.

There were about only 8-10 people in the VIP room and the 2nd stage upstairs.

Only 8-10 people on one of the busiest night of the week and the empty tables were all reserved, it seems they just do this so that you pay them extra.

[Muddy7]

I hop online and do some quick window shopping. It was hard to get an instant response from these girls for a rendezvous but I finally reached one who could be at my place and fast. She said it would be 600 grivnas for an hour. She arrived shortly after and looked nothing like the girl in the picture. This girl was not hot by Ukrainian standards but very do-able. Strangely though she was a great lay and just loved to f*ck. Very energetic and enthusiastic but lacked English speaking skills. Also, she refused to BBBJ and only performed a CBJ and I did not perform DATY on this one but I had a great time with her! Mamba was a good experience. Great cheap fun if you ask me and it's such a crap shoot on what you're going to have knocking at your door LOL.

There all many profiles on mamba with fake photos.

I asked them if their photos are real, I also tell them if the photos are not real they must email me their real photos otherwise they could be wasting their time coming to me.

Some profiles have real photos, some of them email me their real photos, some of them say they will email me their real photos and never do (its ok, maybe they are not pretty)

[Muddy7]

When I walked into Rio I remember thinking "Is this it?" The club is very small, cramped and cluttered and the layout doesn't make any sense. Of course, I am not here to rate the clubs decor but I feel like mentioning it. There is not a lot of space and you have to turn your jacket over to the coat check (same story at the poker house). It seemed that there were 3 rooms there. Two of them were upstairs and joined by a hallway and one was downstairs behind a door.

I went straight upstairs after paying some sort of drink / door entry combo fee. I believe it was around $20 USD or something. I started to look for a place to sit near the stage but every table said "reserved." I was a bit perplexed and wondered "well, where the hell am I supposed to sit then?" I decided to try the downstairs room, maybe there are tables / seats available there.

After walking into the downstairs room I noticed all of the tables read "reserved" also. I said f*ck it and sat down. Immediately one or Rio's so-called managers told me that all of these empty tables were reserved and that I may only sit at the bar. At this point I realized I was being discriminated against for my young age. I am only 25 years old and the average age in the room was well above 40. I nearly walked out I was so pissed off but I decided to buy a drink. When I walked up to the bar and pulled out my gangster roll of 8000 Grivnas to pay for my drink the "manager" told me that there was a table available. I just gave him a dirty look, nodded and sat down at the bar, completely fed up with his bullsh*t. To entertain myself I chatted it up with the bartenders who were all my age and a lot of fun, same with the waitresses.

Upon arriving at the club I noticed that the girls really lacked any sort of stage presence. They are nothing like strippers in the States. These girls are very mechanical and somewhat boring to watch.

I went there tonight and thats exactly how I felt.

As for the girls, there were about 15 girls there.

First I sat by the bar upstairs.

Then I paid one of the managers 100 grivna and sat in the VIP room.

I found only one of the girls good enough for me to take home, I guess her name was Sofia, a blond.

So I told the manger I would like to talk to her.

Well, first she came over and told she has to dance now, yes, she had to go on stage

After her dances on stage she siad I can't come now I'm busy.

So, that was it.

I did not stay there longer, I left because the other girls were not interesting to me at all, on my scale they were all 6 or 7, I would not pay to take them home

So far in Kiev I have seen a 21, 18, and a 20 year old girl and they were all better than the other 14 dancers at RIO.

As I got up to leave the manager said maybe you can pick another girl, I said I wish I could but they are not interesting to me.

Will I go there again? Maybe, will see

[Mystery77]

When I walked into Rio I remember thinking "Is this it?" The club is very small, cramped and cluttered and the layout doesn't make any sense. Of course, I am not here to rate the clubs decor but I feel like mentioning it. There is not a lot of space and you have to turn your jacket over to the coat check (same story at the poker house). It seemed that there were 3 rooms there. Two of them were upstairs and joined by a hallway and one was downstairs behind a door.

I went straight upstairs after paying some sort of drink / door entry combo fee. I believe it was around $20 USD or something. I started to look for a place to sit near the stage but every table said "reserved." I was a bit perplexed and wondered "well, where the hell am I supposed to sit then?" I decided to try the downstairs room, maybe there are tables / seats available there.

After walking into the downstairs room I noticed all of the tables read "reserved" also. I said f*ck it and sat down. Immediately one or Rio's so-called managers told me that all of these empty tables were reserved and that I may only sit at the bar. At this point I realized I was being discriminated against for my young age. I am only 25 years old and the average age in the room was well above 40. I nearly walked out I was so pissed off but I decided to buy a drink. When I walked up to the bar and pulled out my gangster roll of 8000 Grivnas to pay for my drink the "manager" told me that there was a table available. I just gave him a dirty look, nodded and sat down at the bar, completely fed up with his bullsh*t. To entertain myself I chatted it up with the bartenders who were all my age and a lot of fun, same with the waitresses.

Upon arriving at the club I noticed that the girls really lacked any sort of stage presence. They are nothing like strippers in the States. These girls are very mechanical and somewhat boring to watch. However, they are all absolutely stunningly beautiful. I think I fell in love 10 times in the 3 hours I was there.

After about 2 hours of getting annihilated drunk I decided I would see what these lap dances were all about. I bought one from a girl who didn't speak much English. The lapdances are 200 Grivnas and they are incredible. They take you to a private room and in these rooms the girls really show of their talent. Both the girls I had got completely naked and there were no stupid American strip club etiquette / rules to abide by. The dances both lasted either 2 or 3 songs, well worth the money spent. I wish I would have gotten more dances while I was there but I was way too drunk to enjoy them.

The second girl I wanted a dance from was named Mia. She had the nicest rack I have ever seen in my life, in film or up close! I asked her if she would like to leave with me and she said "Wait a minute, I don't just leave with anyone. Let's have a dance, get to know e we will talk after." So I bought a freaky ass dance from this girl and she was great. After the dance we walked back to the bar and she told me she would like to a night club with me. I said ok, paid the house their $300 USD and we left to D'lux.

Note to self: don't drink too much.

"Is this it?" I remember thinking the same thing on my first entry. I recieved some very invisiting looks from two dancers at the time upstairs. I sat at the bar had a glass of wine. Could not really sit at the seating area because 2 guys kinda took up all the space. Went downstairs for a look & found it to be completely empty of customers. Went to sit down, & as yourself the "manager" comes over. This table is reserved.) I see I said. What about that table over there? Reserved. Oh I see, so all your tables are reserved but no people around. Hmm interesting. I sit at the bar order a drink, hit on the bar staff. They one was concerned about passing her contact details, I can guess why. Then after about 5 minutes I'm offered a seat. Still tumble weeds rolling in that downstairs regarding customers. The girls vary in beauty from 10's to 7. The lapdance was really good, & I would not hesitate to have another few when I return. Isn't $300 3 hours, $400 for the night? Or was it shutting time so $300 would suffice.

Good few days buddy.

[Member #4274]

When I got back to my hotel at 9:00 AM the guy at the front desk stopped me. He said something in Ukrainian (I only speak English) and handed me a letter. I was confused and wondering what the hell was going on. The letter had my name on it. Instead of writing verbatim what was in the letter I will give you the quick rundown.

The girl, Anna from travelgirls, came to my hotel and left this letter as she was unable to reach me any other way. The letter basically said that she likes me so much and she didn't understand why I never called back. It was two pages long and very heartfelt. I couldn't help but give in and call the poor virgin. I told the front desk guy thanks and ran up to my room. Once in my room I called her and apologized for not calling back and invited her over. She said she had class at 1:30 but would come over for a bit.

At this point I have not slept, running off of a 14 hour poker rush and a mega hangover still lurking. I am set to leave Ukraine at 2:00 PM and she tells me she will be at my room in 2. 5 hours. Just enough time for a mamba girl I think and I start considering staying another day.

I hop online and do some quick window shopping. It was hard to get an instant response from these girls for a rendezvous but I finally reached one who could be at my place and fast. She said it would be 600 grivnas for an hour. She arrived shortly after and looked nothing like the girl in the picture. This girl was not hot by Ukrainian standards but very do-able. Strangely though she was a great lay and just loved to f*ck. Very energetic and enthusiastic but lacked English speaking skills. Also, she refused to BBBJ and only performed a CBJ and I did not perform DATY on this one but I had a great time with her! Mamba was a good experience. Great cheap fun if you ask me and it's such a crap shoot on what you're going to have knocking at your door LOL.

Shortly after the mamba girl left my Ukrainian princess Anna arrived. She showed up with two Big Macs and two Cokes. I could not believe this girl so very sweet. When she told me she was coming over Friday night I asked if I could buy her a cab and she refused. Then on Monday I asked again and she said no, the subway is much cheaper. Now she shows up with free food and such a beautiful smile, my hear literally melted. That was it, I called the airlines and changed my ticket 1 day ($140USD) and bought the room for one more night ($180USD).

We ate lunch and talked about everything. After a while we made it to the bedroom and fooled around a bit. She skipped her first class to stay in bed with me but I insisted that she make it to the rest of her classes as I was in serious need of some rest. She told me she would be back at 7:00 PM to wake me up. I told her I wanted to take her to dinner and ice skating.

Robreefer, your reports a really very good! I enjoyed reading all of them and was disappointed there was not more. Well said and well written. It makes me miss lovely Kiev!

One of the main reasons I did not go back to Kiev on my last trip (I went to Minsk instead) was the lack of gambling in the city. There are no casinos, as you know. I can't gamble in my city as I am a professional but when I go on vacation I like to play roulette and poker. I didn't know there was a poker room on Kreschatik. Where abouts? Was it difficult to use the room if you don't speak Russian or Ukrainian (it appears you had no problems)?

Oh, you should keep wining and dining that Anna chick, she sounds like a real keeper!

[Robreefer]

When I got back to my hotel at 9:00 AM the guy at the front desk stopped me. He said something in Ukrainian (I only speak English) and handed me a letter. I was confused and wondering what the hell was going on. The letter had my name on it. Instead of writing verbatim what was in the letter I will give you the quick rundown.

The girl, Anna from travelgirls, came to my hotel and left this letter as she was unable to reach me any other way. The letter basically said that she likes me so much and she didn't understand why I never called back. It was two pages long and very heartfelt. I couldn't help but give in and call the poor virgin. I told the front desk guy thanks and ran up to my room. Once in my room I called her and apologized for not calling back and invited her over. She said she had class at 1:30 but would come over for a bit.

At this point I have not slept, running off of a 14 hour poker rush and a mega hangover still lurking. I am set to leave Ukraine at 2:00 PM and she tells me she will be at my room in 2. 5 hours. Just enough time for a mamba girl I think and I start considering staying another day.

I hop online and do some quick window shopping. It was hard to get an instant response from these girls for a rendezvous but I finally reached one who could be at my place and fast. She said it would be 600 grivnas for an hour. She arrived shortly after and looked nothing like the girl in the picture. This girl was not hot by Ukrainian standards but very do-able. Strangely though she was a great lay and just loved to f*ck. Very energetic and enthusiastic but lacked English speaking skills. Also, she refused to BBBJ and only performed a CBJ and I did not perform DATY on this one but I had a great time with her! Mamba was a good experience. Great cheap fun if you ask me and it's such a crap shoot on what you're going to have knocking at your door LOL.

Shortly after the mamba girl left my Ukrainian princess Anna arrived. She showed up with two Big Macs and two Cokes. I could not believe this girl so very sweet. When she told me she was coming over Friday night I asked if I could buy her a cab and she refused. Then on Monday I asked again and she said no, the subway is much cheaper. Now she shows up with free food and such a beautiful smile, my hear literally melted. That was it, I called the airlines and changed my ticket 1 day ($140USD) and bought the room for one more night ($180USD).

We ate lunch and talked about everything. After a while we made it to the bedroom and fooled around a bit. She skipped her first class to stay in bed with me but I insisted that she make it to the rest of her classes as I was in serious need of some rest. She told me she would be back at 7:00 PM to wake me up. I told her I wanted to take her to dinner and ice skating.

[Robreefer]

So Rio was a good time. The club sucks but the girls are something else entirely. I awoke incredibly hungover at 10:00 AM and decided to hit the Poker room. I stayed for about 7 hours and walked out with $500 USD. On my walk home I bought a cell phone and when I got back to the house I called a "top-model" girl. The girl who showed up was hot, not Rio hot, but super hot nonetheless and she had the nicest, tightest p*ssy I have ever had the pleasure of. Well, you get the picture.

The rate was 1000 UAH / hour and I only had the energy and stamina for 1 hour, if that after drinking so much. The website has girls rangin from 500 UAH / hour all the way up to 4000 UAH / hour or something. I decided on the 1000 / hour number in order to have a better chance at getting a hot girl.

The girl who arrived was very sweet but shy. I could tell she was surprised to see me, a 25 year old American. I don't remember her exact height but I would say between 5'2 and 5'5. I am 6'2 so I could throw her around pretty easily. I offered her a drink but she declined, I mean it was 5:00 PM LOL. I took her the the bedroom and again received only a CBJ. I offered her more money for a BBBJ and she said no. I was a little pissed off about this so I made sure to anger bang doggystyle later on. Much like my Rio girl, Mia, this girl had an immaculate rack, I mean these things were nice. It is too bad that she lacked personality. This could be a result of our language barrier however I am unsure. I was still so hungover my brain wasn't functioning correctly.

After she left I went back to the Poker Room at 9:00 PM Sunday night and went on a hot streak. I stayed there till 8:00 AM Monday morning and cleaned house. I walked out $2, 000 USD ahead and went back to my room to pack my stuff for my 2:00 PM flight out of KBP to DXB. Little did I know I would be staying another night.

[Robreefer]

So after my semi-failure from travelgirs I decided to get up early and play some poker. I spent about 6 hours at the Kreshnyak Poker Club. After winning around $700 USD (Ukranians really suck at poker) I decided I would hit Rio to see what all the hype is about. I had no idea where Rio club was and I could not find a cab driver who knew what I was talking about either. Don't bother with the Rio website as the address they provide is incorrect.

Eventually I found a cab driver who could get me there and he got me there for cheap and very fast. Cab rides are incredibly cheap in Ukraine; I don't remember what I paid.

When I walked into Rio I remember thinking "Is this it?" The club is very small, cramped and cluttered and the layout doesn't make any sense. Of course, I am not here to rate the clubs decor but I feel like mentioning it. There is not a lot of space and you have to turn your jacket over to the coat check (same story at the poker house). It seemed that there were 3 rooms there. Two of them were upstairs and joined by a hallway and one was downstairs behind a door.

I went straight upstairs after paying some sort of drink / door entry combo fee. I believe it was around $20 USD or something. I started to look for a place to sit near the stage but every table said "reserved." I was a bit perplexed and wondered "well, where the hell am I supposed to sit then?" I decided to try the downstairs room, maybe there are tables / seats available there.

After walking into the downstairs room I noticed all of the tables read "reserved" also. I said f*ck it and sat down. Immediately one or Rio's so-called managers told me that all of these empty tables were reserved and that I may only sit at the bar. At this point I realized I was being discriminated against for my young age. I am only 25 years old and the average age in the room was well above 40. I nearly walked out I was so pissed off but I decided to buy a drink. When I walked up to the bar and pulled out my gangster roll of 8000 Grivnas to pay for my drink the "manager" told me that there was a table available. I just gave him a dirty look, nodded and sat down at the bar, completely fed up with his bullsh*t. To entertain myself I chatted it up with the bartenders who were all my age and a lot of fun, same with the waitresses.

Upon arriving at the club I noticed that the girls really lacked any sort of stage presence. They are nothing like strippers in the States. These girls are very mechanical and somewhat boring to watch. However, they are all absolutely stunningly beautiful. I think I fell in love 10 times in the 3 hours I was there.

After about 2 hours of getting annihilated drunk I decided I would see what these lap dances were all about. I bought one from a girl who didn't speak much English. The lapdances are 200 Grivnas and they are incredible. They take you to a private room and in these rooms the girls really show of their talent. Both the girls I had got completely naked and there were no stupid American strip club etiquette / rules to abide by. The dances both lasted either 2 or 3 songs, well worth the money spent. I wish I would have gotten more dances while I was there but I was way too drunk to enjoy them.

The second girl I wanted a dance from was named Mia. She had the nicest rack I have ever seen in my life, in film or up close! I asked her if she would like to leave with me and she said "Wait a minute, I don't just leave with anyone. Let's have a dance, get to know e we will talk after." So I bought a freaky ass dance from this girl and she was great. After the dance we walked back to the bar and she told me she would like to a night club with me. I said ok, paid the house their $300 USD and we left to D'lux.

D'lux is amazing, simply amazing. Great music, awesome dance floor, the bar upstairs is real nice and there were even places to sit. The place was jammed packed with gorgeous girls all over the place. Being there with a girl really turns their head too! Mia and I had some drinks and hit the dance floor. We danced for about 1 1/2 hours and she said she wanted to hurry back to my place so we could have sex. However, at this point I am beyond drunk and barely holding my own.

We got back to the house and she jumped in the shower so I followed. Wow, what a body. Not really tall and not the best smile but like I said easily the nicest tits I have ever seen. We hit the bedroom and she gave me a CBJ. I followed her up with some really, really, really drunk DATY for a long while (trying to sober up LOL). We screwed in every imaginable position for about 45-60 minutes. This girl was dedicated to the cause, I mean I have never seen this much dedication. She knew I had Whiskey the*ck and didn't care. She just kept going and going like the energizer bunny.

After it was all said and done I think we spent about 4 or 5 hours together and I had a great time. Rio, as club and their customer service, is totally crap but the girls are out of this world.

Note to self: don't drink too much.

[Robreefer]

Well guys I am back from my first trip to Kiev. I can't thank you all enough for the stories you have shared and the advice you have provided. On my way to Kiev I spent 2 weeks in Germany and 1 day in Dubai. I must say, FKK's are freakin' amazing but I was not impressed with Dubai.

Now to Kiev. I spent 4 days and 4 nights in Kiev. I will split my reports up into 4 different posts.

I stayed at Kiev Inn on the fourth floor in the $180 room. I loved the location since my primary reason for visiting Kiev was to play poker and the apartment is in the main city square and a 5-10 minute walk to Kreshnyak Poker room.

Please allow me to clear up any misconceptions about the travelgirls website; you guys seem to be right and wrong on this one. I spent a great deal of time scoping out the site prior to my trip. About 20 days before my trip I purchased a membership and started spamming messages to girls. It is a bit confusing because of many of the girls are not from Kiev but other cities a good distance from Kiev. I would say in all I was corresponding with around 40-60 girls.

Slowly I reduced the number of candidates to 20, then 10, then 5 and at last my top 3. Unfortunately, I was so busy playing poker I only met with 1 girl. All of the girls I skyped / facebooked / e-mailed / talked on the phone with were 100% legit. I don't know who these other guys were talking to.

The 1 girl I decided on is named Anna. She is an 18 years old student. 5'9" with long blond hair. Stunning and when I landed Friday night I intended to meet with here ASAP. However, I got sucked into a poker game and called her around 10:30 PM. She proceeded to tell me that she could not return to the dorm rooms past midnight. I agreed to be a gentleman if she wanted to stay with me at my apartment and she said ok. I met her down at the square and we walked around the city seeing the sites for hours, until 4:00 AM actually.

This girl was everything I could ask for. Smart, funny, TALL, super-hot, spoke perfect English and most of all she was digging me. I really fell for this one guys. She was worth every dollar I spent on the travelgirls fee and then some.

At about 4:00 AM we went back to my room and I mixed us some Whiskey and Cokes. She literally took 1 sip and said she was buzzed so I swooped in and made my move. I took her to the bedroom and we started to fool around a bit. After about 30 minutes of kissing and some pretty heavy petting I noticed she was trembling. I asked her what was wrong and she told me she had never been with a guy before. Stone cold virgin in my bed.

F*CK. I hate my life.

Decision time. I am only 25 and I don't want to buy my one way ticket to hell right now so I told her not to worry, sex is not on my mind (straight up lie) and we fell asleep. One of the hardest things I've ever done but I remembered her telling me that her uncle was the police chief of Kiev or some sh*t so I was a bit terrified.

In the morning I told her I had some stuff going on and that I would call her back that night. I never called back.

[LilJoey]

I don't know about RIO girls but other girls when they come to my flat they are ready to go.

I ask them if they need to shower and give them an unused toothbrush.

When they get out of shower I offer them bottled water, diet coke, bear. Thats all.

And after that they are ready to go.

If I am too nice to them I don't get good service, I want sex, I don't want to be their friends, I don't talk to them very much about their issues and problems.

In Liljoey case I wonder what happens if Lera tells his girlfriends at RIO what an easy time she had, she got paid $300 and did nothing just slept the whole time.

I may try RIO for the first time Saturday after I am done with my mamba girls.

Muddy7, I too am concerned about what might happen if Lera tells others she had no bad consequences after not providing sex even though she had agreed to and was supposed to. But I don't think she will, because I think she knows that the only reason I didn't make any problems for her with complaints to management is because of the nature of our friendship relationship, and that if she betrayed that I'm sure she realizes I could make problems for her. There are also a good number of other girls at Rio who know exactly the kind of intensive sex session a date with me entails, so I don't think anyone there will get the idea they can come for a date with me that doesn't include sex.

Any Rio girl who doesn't want sex will always make that clear in advance in the club and will say to you openly that she is dancer only or that she could only go out dancing but not to apartment.

When an escort comes to your apartment on an outcall from mamba. Ru or other outcall agency that charges by the hour, it is different than taking out a Rio girl for a three or more hour date. The Rio girls don't go with everyone who asks them and it is their choice entirely if they choose to go out with you. So they have to like you in order for you to get them to agree to a date with you. It is not a given that you can have sex with them if you want to. If they think a guy is creepy, he will have difficulty in getting a date in a place like Rio. You should therefore be civil and charming and you will be better off. It is not like the outcall escort from mamba who is coming to your apartment with the fact of having sex with you already decided and that is a given already.

But you will see when you go to Rio the first time. Just be your charming self with the girls there, interview them with a mind toward finding a girl who has chemistry with you and who seems most likely to give you a GFE experience, and use the opportunity of the private dance to good advantage to test both premises. Then enjoy the date with the beautiful young girl you have chosen. Why not accept friendship if it is offered? It can only enhance your intimate GFE experience. There is no need to rush things or to have a brusque manner about getting to the sex. You have three hours to create a terrific erotic experience for yourself, including multiple sex acts to the limit of your capabilities and imagination. It can be an experience on a different level than the more hasty mamba escort session, so use the time to good advantage.

I will be in Kiev again this Sunday for two nights to follow up with some of the hotties I reported on earlier. .

LJ

[Member #4274]

I don't understand if you are looking for friendship and someone to talk to and take to dinner why do you go to RP? Looking to do all these things with a hooker? Can't you find a normal girl?

You think these girls would only go to RP if then were extremely hard up for cash? LOL I guess you think RP is the only spot for student type semi pros? Yeah, if I was a a semi pro and a foreign guy shows up who is interested in me and wants to talk to me and take me to dinner and be friends with I would also play this game of "I only go there when I do not have any money". Don't you think she tells this to other foreign men hoping to get some help and money. When one girl finds a simple man she tells her other friends and they learn from it.

Muddy7, there is a rather considerable difference between 'girlfriend' and 'girlfriend experience'. Whatismore. I would love to find a 19 to 23-year old hottie in my country to do all these things with but as I am 37 it is very difficult because of the mentality of western women. It is much easier in Eastern Europe. I thought this was obvious. I agree with you about the girls from RP. However, I do consider myself a pretty good judge of character and believed some of thse girls.

[Muddy7]

Adding to my reply to Prosal about my experiences using Travelgirls (TG) website. If someone is the type of Monger who only goes to a city for a very short period of time (a week or less) and is more interested in sex with strippers then TG is not for you. It was mentioned that the girls on the site are not serious and I guess it depends upon what you consider to be serious. If you believe not wanting to exchange sex for money on the spot makes them less serious then it would not surprise me that someone would not care for the site. There are girls on TG who offer that but not many. However, if you are looking for an attractive, young studentka who can speak English and is not having sex with 4 or 5 different guys every week then it is a useful tool. I have been to Rio and the girls are attractive there but I have never enjoyed the idea of being with a woman who fucked four others guys that week. No thanks. I don't care how hot she is. I prefer a GF experience and a friendship rather than 'Hello, how are you? Here's 200 USD now bend over, please. Thank you! ' But it does take time and effort to do this and I realize not everyone can take a three or four week trip, I guess. But even when I went to River Palace (RP) I always would pick a girl who I could talk to and want to see again in the future even if just for dinner. These girls would rarely be seen at RP and would only go when they were etremely hard up for cash and they too were selective about who they went home with.

I don't understand if you are looking for friendship and someone to talk to and take to dinner why do you go to RP? Looking to do all these things with a hooker? Can't you find a normal girl?

You think these girls would only go to RP if then were extremely hard up for cash? LOL I guess you think RP is the only spot for student type semi pros? Yeah, if I was a a semi pro and a foreign guy shows up who is interested in me and wants to talk to me and take me to dinner and be friends with I would also play this game of "I only go there when I do not have any money". Don't you think she tells this to other foreign men hoping to get some help and money. When one girl finds a simple man she tells her other friends and they learn from it.

[Muddy7]

Travelgirls website.

Are the girls serious or not?

It all depends on you, I mean if you are a good looking guy ad have a lot going for you every girl you contact would be interested, I bet if a guy like Brad Pitt or Tom Cruise write to any girl on Travelgirls or any other sites all the girls would be interested.

It all depends on how you look, what you do.

In this trip I am here for fu, I will not waste my time with marriage agencies or Travelgirls.