Russian Women - Opinions and Advice

[Excepticus]

BL, I suspect this is because they are still in touch with their own natural selves and haven't been completely feminised like many women in the West.

Once upon a time, women knew how to think for themselves and understood that any approach was to be appreciated and accepted / rejected with decorum.

In fact, it was a validation of their womanhood and attractiveness.

Has to be said men were less boorish then too and knew the signals that meant it was time to move along and not pursue an impossible cause.

Ah, the good old days.

Despite this thread is for opinions about Russian women (and I value them). You are all getting too philosophical.

My point it's easy. Who cares about a 200 pound cow in England. We have the best women we could ever want. Open minded. Easy to talk. They can also easily turn you down. What the hell. Let's be honest. This is part of the game and the fun. If we were always succesful. It would be also boring.

We have to laugh about ourselfs and the missed oportunities. The times the girl look at you. And say ¨no thank you¨. We have all suffered it and enjoy it. And most probably the most pleasant thought is when you are screwing a hot girl. And you think at the same time about the comments your post will get.

I love this game.

It's Friday and awfully cold. Let's see what we score this weekend.

Good luck!

[Gergiev]

I think the reason for that in part is because as long as you approach politely, every Russian woman, no matter how hot or high class, will hear you out and give you a chance, a shot at the title so to speak. And then if she is not interested she will let you know with tact. It's something I've noticed about Russian women; they have a surprisingly lack of ego and chips on their shoulders considering their level of attractiveness. Pope John Paul the second put it down to Soviet cartoons having a great influence on Soviet children. Maybe the BBC / NBC / Canal Plus etc. Should start playing re-runs of Cheburashka and Nu Pogadi.

BL, I suspect this is because they are still in touch with their own natural selves and haven't been completely feminised like many women in the West.

Once upon a time, women knew how to think for themselves and understood that any approach was to be appreciated and accepted/rejected with decorum.

In fact, it was a validation of their womanhood and attractiveness.

Has to be said men were less boorish then too and knew the signals that meant it was time to move along and not pursue an impossible cause.

Ah, the good old days...

[Borderland]

Prosal,

In other societies, getting rejected within 60 seconds might make a guy reel and want to re-evaluate his approach, his wardrobe. Whatever. But in Moscow, it's just a signal to move on and try the next one. Because there WILL be a next one.

That made me smile, so true. I've been rejected numerous times in the FSU and I've never let it get me down for a moment, you just immediately move onto another without a second thought. I think the reason for that in part is because as long as you approach politely, every Russian woman, no matter how hot or high class, will hear you out and give you a chance, a shot at the title so to speak. And then if she is not interested she will let you know with tact. Compare that to the UK where when I'm in a club and walk up to a table of semi attractive girls, due to their own self esteem issues they will often tell you to 'fuck off' before you've opened your mouth! That hurts more because you've been disrespected by a girl who was not even a tenth as hot as the 24 year old hot Lomonosov educated student you were banging last week in Moscow. It's something I've noticed about Russian women; they have a surprisingly lack of ego and chips on their shoulders considering their level of attractiveness. Pope John Paul the second put it down to Soviet cartoons having a great influence on Soviet children. Maybe the BBC / NBC / Canal Plus etc. Should start playing re-runs of Cheburashka and Nu Pogadi.

[Jake993]

This joke seemed particularly appropriate considering this current thread. I was talking to a friend of mine this morning who reminded me that;

"It's easier to get laid in Moscow that it is to rent a car"

[Gergiev]

I think that a lot of people who read this forum get the impression that Russian women are easy targets. But they are not. But they are not. And most CERTAINLY not if they are 8. 5+. I agree with you in that they know their relative worth

That said, you are right in a way, they want to be sex objects to be seduced and dominated over and over again. But with the right man. Just to put things in perspective, so that the guys who read this thread don't get wrong. Russian women, MILFs included, are NOT easy targets.

Another good point, gents.

A number of years back, I had a great night with a real beautiful 40-ish Russian ex-pat back to see her family in St Petersburg.

When we returned to our respective countries, we stayed in contact via e-mail on the possibility we would hook up again some day for another tryst.

The opportunity arose after another 2 years when I made a detour to meet her in her home town when flying back across Europe.

However I arrived jaded, drank a little too much to try and liven myself up and the final straw was when she discovered I'd booked a very average hotel in a dodgy part of town.

She took her leave of me on the street, there and then, leaving me with a chaste night and ample time to reflect on my technique!

Moral of the story: treat these girls like the diamonds they believe themselves to be.

VG

[Gergiev]

Dasha (32yo) and Tatiana (31yo) , last week at a georgian place. Shashliks were to die for. (smilie)

Ah, Prosal, come on now, please stop it!

You're damaging our morale with all these outstanding conquests.

the other a well-known singer whose I forgot the name

Not Alla Pugacheva, I hope.

Or on second thoughts, maybe better if it was.

About time you pulled a dud!

[Stevie69]

I think there is a big difference between a pharmaceutical representative who goes on business trips to Paris, and a secretary, nurse, dentist or adminsitrative asssitant living in Kherson or even Kiev. One already lives among the bright lights and the other leads a dull and hard life and welcomes any chance to escape it.

When I travel to Kiev some of my best paid experiences have been with slightly "older" women, perhaps 30-35, who, despite being paid for the deed, appreciated being some gentle and hard sex with a (still relatively) handsome guy. HOW do I know they were genuine? Well, they performed well beyond the call of duty, cuddling for a while after the sex was over, staying the night, and doing it again in the morning or in the middle of the night, making me breakfast, making the bed, or giving an spontaneous good-bye BJ. I live in eastern Europe and most of my "free" action also comes from this group.

I don't pretend to be an expert. You and Jake each have 10X the experience I do, but I am surprised to hear that.

Maybe I am working further down the food chain than you are, because this is not my experience.

I am talking about women slightly older, maybe 35+- and maybe below 8 on your scale. I really get the sense they are under-serviced in the dating market.

I have had reasonable success getting dates with these women and probably 50% success rate of sex on first or second date.

Some of these have been in North American cities, where I certainly could not get a date with their North American equivalent.

These women are past the "first blush" of youth and feel it acutely. Sure they are still good looking and stylish. But there is a mass of younger and prettier girls crowding them out of the market. Somewhere between the girls I contact and the ones you contact, the mass of men must stop calling.

As for "easy". Well, that depends on your point of reference. Easy compared to dating and scoring with a North American woman in my situation (middle-aged and married)!

One of the fun features of dating Russian women is that sex is always on the table (well, maybe not literally) , and both parties know that. But it is relatively easy to get into the topic, even in early e-mails and on a date. Not that it is a foregone conclusion, but the woman is under no illusions about how you expect the evening to end, and will be seriously considering that possibility throughout.

[Bimbo Boy]

. Of course, the Ukrainian MILF in Harkov or Nikolaiev working a modest job, having difficulties to make ends meet, single with a kid, ect, is a whole different matter, but personally it is not my target. I don't want to touch a "desesperate" woman with a 10" pole. Too complicated.

Hello, Prosal,

Speaking about desperate women. I once dated a barely 18 years old girl from one of the Ukrainian provinces. She was slender and cute but spoke no English. She wanted me in spite of a 30 years age difference. The reason was that she had a child and wanted a sponsor. I could have had her for a few hundred euros a month. I passed.

[Gentleman Travel]

GT, . maybe we don't talk about the same "target group". A sophisticated 8+ Russian woman, even at 30 yo, gets hitted 20 times a day, be it in her hometown or in vacations. I talked this weekend at a restaurant with a 33 yo professional from Moscow working for a big pharmaceutic firm and currently in business trip in Paris, who told me she had been hitted 100 times since she was here, and that she rejected all 100. All of my GFs told me the same thing. Those 8+ sophisticated MILF are perfectly aware of their "value".

I don't pretend to be an expert. You and Jake each have 10X the experience I do, but I am surprised to hear that.

Maybe I am working further down the food chain than you are, because this is not my experience.

I am talking about women slightly older, maybe 35+- and maybe below 8 on your scale. I really get the sense they are under-serviced in the dating market.

I have had reasonable success getting dates with these women and probably 50% success rate of sex on first or second date.

Some of these have been in North American cities, where I certainly could not get a date with their North American equivalent.

These women are past the "first blush" of youth and feel it acutely. Sure they are still good looking and stylish. But there is a mass of younger and prettier girls crowding them out of the market. Somewhere between the girls I contact and the ones you contact, the mass of men must stop calling.

As for "easy". Well, that depends on your point of reference. Easy compared to dating and scoring with a North American woman in my situation (middle-aged and married)!

One of the fun features of dating Russian women is that sex is always on the table (well, maybe not literally) , and both parties know that. But it is relatively easy to get into the topic, even in early e-mails and on a date. Not that it is a foregone conclusion, but the woman is under no illusions about how you expect the evening to end, and will be seriously considering that possibility throughout.

[Prosal]

But they were NOT going to hook up with just any guy.

In my experience, Russian women put the highest emphasis on intellectual harmony, and if you fit in, there is no door really closed, contrarily to other countries (notally in Asia or SA) where it is virtually impossible for a foreigner to score in the higher strats of the society. I was lunching last summer with a Russian GF when two gorgeous high-class Russian women sat at the table adjacent, one was Vika Bonia (the other a well-known singer whose I forgot the name). We wittily chatted with them during one hour, and I intuitivelly felt that it was very very doable with Vika. Too bad I was accompanied (sight). It cemented my feeling that no girl is really "off limits" in Russia as long as you intellectually, socially and physically fit in.

[Jake993]

.but to be charmed by a correspondingly refined man aware of their culture and their psyche. that said, you are right in a way, they want to be sex objects to be seduced and dominated over and over again. but with the right man. just to put things in perspective, so that the guys who read this thread don't get wrong. russian women, milfs included, are not easy targets.

prosal,

you bring up an excellent point. i think that a lot of people who read this forum get the impression that russian women are easy targets. but they are not. and most certainly not if they are 8. 5+. i agree with you in that they know their relative worth and are not an easy target just because some dude says,"hey, honey, let's fuck". having said that, the sheer volume of such creatures in moscow (and some other places in russia) really helps the law of averages. i look at moscow as being one big "speed dating session". i was at a professional networking function earlier in the fall. the make up of the attendees were about 75% russian women (english speaking to one degree or another) and 25% foreign guys. it was clear that a significant percentage of the women (milfs included) were interested in "hooking up". but they were not going to hook up with just any guy. they were looking for the right combo of looks, charm, x-factor, etc. and it takes no more than about 60 seconds for one of these girls to decide if you are "dateable" or not. and if you aren't? hey, move on to the next one. if only a matter of time until you find one who's willing to take you for a spin.

in other societies, getting rejected within 60 seconds might make a guy reel and want to re-evaluate his approach, his wardrobe. whatever. but in moscow, it's just a signal to move on and try the next one. because there will be a next one.

[Stravinsky]

Just to put things in perspective, so that the guys who read this thread don't get wrong. Russian women, MILFs included, are NOT easy targets.

Well, at least not in Pareezh, anyway. (big smile)

[Prosal]

She is likely to sincerely thank you for your attentions. She should be paying you.

GT, with all due respect to your expertise, I think you miss the point, or maybe we don't talk about the same "target group". A sophisticated 8+ Russian woman, even at 30 yo, gets hitted 20 times a day, be it in her hometown or in vacations. I talked this weekend at a restaurant with a 33 yo professional from Moscow working for a big pharmaceutic firm and currently in business trip in Paris, who told me she had been hitted 100 times since she was here, and that she rejected all 100. All of my GFs told me the same thing. Those 8+ sophisticated MILF are perfectly aware of their "value". What they look for is not only to be desired (there would have millions of men able to fulfill this task) , but to be charmed by a CORRESPONDINGLY refined man aware of their culture and their psyche. That said, you are right in a way, they want to be sex objects to be seduced and dominated over and over again. But with the right man. Just to put things in perspective, so that the guys who read this thread don't get wrong. Russian women, MILFs included, are NOT easy targets.

[Gentleman Travel]

I agree with most of the posts here, that this can be a fun outing for them, of which they have too few in their difficult lives.

Focus on giving them a good time and they will remember the experience fondly.

Actually, often it is not even about giving them a break from the everyday hardships. Is it about making them feel desired.

Russian women want to be admired and sexually desired. This is not unique to Russians, but is very much central to their psyche and culture, much more so than in North America.

And as a woman ages past her "best before date", and acquires the trappings of Russian womanhood (divorce, kids) she is less and less likely to experience this in her daily life.

So your pursuing her, admiring her, wining & dining her, and fucking her brains out, gives her a sense of self-worth and validates her as a human being.

She is likely to sincerely thank you for your attentions. She should be paying you.

[Prosal]

I've finally reached my FILF (I hope!) Years and enjoy meeting this type of lady 'on tour' and assure you there are seldom any misunderstandings on either side. VG.

It is personally with mid to upper class Russian MILFs (30-40 yo) that I've had some of the best uninhibited and UNCOMPLICATED sex. That said, they are often so attractive, nice, witty, smart, cultured, indulgent, fun, honest, emotional, passionate, loyal, unselfish and incentive that it is hard not putting a bit too much of emotions and commitment in the relationship. You can't find better women.

But they know the score -that you are not going to "take them away from all this"

None of the Russian women I've had an adventure or a relationship with had any desire to be "taken away from all this". Despite their often intellectually and physically draining jobs and the harshness of Moscow or Piter's everyday life, they had NO desire to leave Russia. They have there a busy cultural and social life, they travel a lot, they have access to some of the best things their society has to offer, ect.

Of course, the Ukrainian MILF in Harkov or Nikolaiev working a modest job, having difficulties to make ends meet, single with a kid, ect, is a whole different matter, but personally it is not my target. I don't want to touch a "desesperate" woman with a 10" pole. Too complicated.