Rio de Janeiro Reports

[Bubba Boy]

Eric, I had a former Luomo girl who lives in Bangu. She had to walk to a van, to the bus then metro to Luomo. She wants stayed 3 nights and all I did was feed her. One day I went with her to Western Union office near the Copacabana Palace on NS Copa, where she picked up $US500. 00 that a fella in Panama wired her and she took me to lunch right after getting the money. She took me to Barra Shopping to get me a phone in her name, because I did not have a CPF at the time.

I was 51 and she 23 qnd no kids when I met her in Luomo. We are still friends and she has a Brasileiro boyfriend, who works in Angola most of the time. Now, because of her education and great english, she works for a major Brasilian utility company.

Speaking of Bangu, has anyone been out there? Holly shit batman that place is a shit hole! Possibly the worst place I have visited in Rio de Janeiro.

[Ipanema Carioca]

An ex-high-end Termas girl, who lives about 2 hours away near Bangu, has been coming to visit me every other weekend. She spends 1. 5-2hours in public transit each way, frolics with me for a while, seems to cum (for reals!). I give her R$200 and sometimes we grab something to eat. But it will be rare to find a Zona Sul Termas chick who will go through this. I know some guys here who have smoking hot girls coming over for free, but they are the exception.

The best place to fish is the privates, but you need time to go and to find the right girls and build a relationship.

Eric, I had a former Luomo girl who lives in Bangu. She had to walk to a van, to the bus then metro to Luomo. She wants stayed 3 nights and all I did was feed her. One day I went with her to Western Union office near the Copacabana Palace on NS Copa, where she picked up $US500. 00 that a fella in Panama wired her and she took me to lunch right after getting the money. She took me to Barra Shopping to get me a phone in her name, because I did not have a CPF at the time.

I was 51 and she 23 qnd no kids when I met her in Luomo. We are still friends and she has a Brasileiro boyfriend, who works in Angola most of the time. Now, because of her education and great english, she works for a major Brasilian utility company.

[Ipanema Carioca]

The high-end Termas (Zona Sul) girls I know are not coming over for R$200 unless they really like you. R$300+ is the quote I've seen out of MC and other shops (I can't imagine Centaurus). I know people will have stories of R$200 but in my experience, they are the exception rather than the rule.

I learned from the monger who first invited me to Rio. YOu go to the termas, give a girl your number and she'll come to your apt / hotel for any price lower than R$200. It's not worth paying more to you. For what, sex! She gets more many than the terma, and a chance or spend the night or day in a nice apartment with a full refriderator; or a nice hotel that no one in her circle can afford. That's is better than most Brasileiros can do, especially a young boyfriend or baby's daddy. I even got a terma girl to meet me after work. We got a bite to eat, fucked, and I only paid her cab fare. I've never paid a terma girl more than R$200 for many hours of fucking. I rarely to toda a noite, and I make that point up front. But sometimes the beg to stay because of the time or rain. I like Rio winters for the rainy nights, most woman it's their nature to want to stay in bed to cuddle, then fucking.

[Eric Cartman]

A super hotty maybe R$200. Anymore and it just would not be worth it, I mean you can get virtually any Terma girl over for R$200 after work.

The high-end Termas (Zona Sul) girls I know are not coming over for R$200 unless they really like you. R$300+ is the quote I've seen out of MC and other shops (I can't imagine Centaurus). I know people will have stories of R$200 but in my experience, they are the exception rather than the rule.

[Eric Cartman]

Sperto, I think you underestimate how much your expereince, knowledge, and ability (fluent) to communicatehelp you hold the line on those rates you mentioned. I agree with them for the most part if you are a brasilero or an experienced hobbyist such as yourself a few others in this forum. However, the majority of gringo's find it extremely difficult to get those rates cause they do not speak fluently, are inexperienced in negotiating with gdp, are hrony bastards that have no selfcontrol, np patience, etc. Again, I will try to come as close as possible to those rates, but for rookies or tourists in general, thats a hard line to hold. But then again, your post is making them aware (or hopefully will make them aware) of just how much of a sucker they are being, and most importantly that they are driving up the rates, and furthermore, driving up rates with less quality service.

An ex-high-end Termas girl, who lives about 2 hours away near Bangu, has been coming to visit me every other weekend. She spends 1. 5-2hours in public transit each way, frolics with me for a while, seems to cum (for reals!). I give her R$200 and sometimes we grab something to eat. But it will be rare to find a Zona Sul Termas chick who will go through this. I know some guys here who have smoking hot girls coming over for free, but they are the exception.

The best place to fish is the privates, but you need time to go and to find the right girls and build a relationship.

[Eric Cartman]

Speaking of paying up front I have had many Termas girls coming over my place for the last few weeks and NOT a single one of them asked for money up front or even asked for taxi fare when they left. Maybe asking for money up front is a Balcony Bar thing.

Kid Cisco

Hey, please describe more about how you are getting the Termas girls to come back to your place. I've been living here for 1. 5 years now and I've only had a handful of Termas girls come back. Some have wanted sums on the high side (R$300+) and I have declined. Others I've managed to build a semi-vibe with a they come for nothing or R$200 per visit. But I'd really like to hear more about what Termas you are having success in, and how you are lining it up.

Thanks!

-Cartman

[Kid Cisco]

I was at Balcony Bar last night and it looked like a FREAK show a bunch of ugly looking monsters. Out of about 60-70 girls I saw maybe 2 that I felt was ok looking BUT if they were working in a Tier 1 Terma I wouldn't do them because they were much older then the ones I like to do. Also there are a lot of he-she's mixed in walking around with normal looking females at the Balcony Bar so beware!!!!

It got so bad (from the freaks walking around with beer belly's and I can't stand a girl with a belly on them) it turns me off that I had to order my food and I took it back to my hotel and ate it. There are very few options at night now. Unless you have a hook up with a Terma chick or a chick you met on-line like (facebook) to me going to Balcony Bar is a waste of time...BUT I had to go and see what the fuss was all about and after going there after 12:00 midnight and after a few hours of waiting around for something to catch my eye I was ready to move on..

Speaking of paying up front I have had many Termas girls coming over my place for the last few weeks and NOT a single one of them asked for money up front or even asked for taxi fare when they left...maybe asking for money up front is a Balcony Bar thing..

Kid Cisco

[Safado69]

Seems to be an alarming trend. I found a smoking hot garota at balcony in February. She gave all the right responses was very sweet. Did not accept a drink offer. We agreed on price and took a cab to my appt. We decided then to walk to supermarket to buy some Stellas. Back at the apartment after a drink, kissing, and groping she asked for up front payment. Took me by surprise. Told I never pay before and he had a sad story about guys not paying. I offerred to pay half first and the balance after completion. She refused an the tried to convince me. I asked her to leave. She wanted cab fare back to balcony so I gave her 13 reais. She complained to the doorman who later gave me a gdp lecture. Moral of story. NEVER PAY UP FRONT. Although she was hottt I did not want to get burned. I went to bed horny as hell but did 3 centro casa garotas the next day. When I get a free moment I will post a clothed photo with facial.

Lonzof.

Okay since we are on this topic I'll be the first to admit I have overpaid for a Balcony GDP or 2, and not bc of impatience or lack of self control (rest assured R150 is now my limit). As far as guilty of upfront payment NEVER-happened exactly as you described Lonzof and killed the vibe / mood instantly! The reason I go to the land of bunda is for near GFE duh. Gladly paid taxi so she could leave my apartment without any scene. Saw her later that evening and made sure she knew someone else was getting her dough that night and I wasn't the mark. I can't imagine anyone falling prey to this scam but something has definitely emboldened these greedy Balcony piranhas. Or are there really foreigners playing dumb and not paying and messing it up for everyone? Sounds pretty funny but I would never have the balls to pull that off. I would ask my regular Terma "friends" their perspective and experience but don't want to give them ideas.

Here is the mug shot of my debacle so glad I skipped this program, had too much to drink, the lighting was pretty bad and didn't notice the muffin top at the bar LOL.

[Lonzof]

Seems to be an alarming trend. I found a smoking hot garota at balcony in February. She gave all the right responses was very sweet. Did not accept a drink offer. We agreed on price and took a cab to my appt. We decided then to walk to supermarket to buy some Stellas. Back at the apartment after a drink, kissing, and groping she asked for up front payment. Took me by surprise. Told I never pay before and he had a sad story about guys not paying. I offerred to pay half first and the balance after completion. She refused an the tried to convince me. I asked her to leave. She wanted cab fare back to balcony so I gave her 13 reais. She complained to the doorman who later gave me a gdp lecture. Moral of story. NEVER PAY UP FRONT. Although she was hottt I did not want to get burned. I went to bed horny as hell but did 3 centro casa garotas the next day. When I get a free moment I will post a clothed photo with facial.

Lonzof.

This business of paying upfront is a freaken thorn on myside. Not many things irritate me when negotiating or dealing with the ladies because I have been around the block to many times already. However, for whatever reason, it ticks me off. NEVER PAY UPFRONT! If you do. 9 out of 10 times you are going to get crappy service. But some guys are just happy to stick there wiener is any hole, and shoot their load.

Gentlemen, Please don't help start a new trend of paying upfront, this is suicide. I always say no, and if they persist, I show them the money in full and then tell them not to worry because I have it in full, and it will be waiting for them when session is over. This usually works all of the time for me. There has been a couple of exceptions in all of these past years. And YEEEEEESSSSS< I HELD THE LINE, and told them no deal and to leave. And they did. You win some and you lose some, thats life!

[PatmarBeleza1]

FWIW, I had my first TLN with a GDP on trip #7. It was in her prive in copa. I basically used gpguia. Net reviews as a guide. She was doing TLNs. I paid $800R.

I had TLN 2 and 3 with the same girl a year later, that was trip #9. I paid zero. She was trying to get out of the biz, and I was having a mini-relationship with her. That was "good sex" as one poster to this board has put it (easy to get sex, hard to get good sex).12 or 14 hours, sex 6 or 7 times. 1+ hour at a time.

I had TLN 4 and 5 with the same girl in December of that year. Trip #11. I guess I paid zero, but I was trying to give her some legit work, so I paid her at least $500R.

Anyway, she was a former 4x4 girl, and then a freelancer for 2+ years. I would agree, best to avoid TLN on first trip. TLN takes some trust, on both sides.

Actually, I'm thinking that newbies should not do a todo a noche (all night) in Rio their first trip. It would be best to visit the termas and casas to learn the gdp culture, rather than jumping into negotiations.

ChrisDrug, What is and who is a top 5 hot garota, and why she won't do R$150 rather than go home broke?

[Ipanema Carioca]

Actually, I'm thinking that newbies should not do a todo a noche (all night) in Rio their first trip. It would be best to visit the termas and casas to learn the gdp culture, rather than jumping into negotiations.

ChrisDrug, What is and who is a top 5 hot garota, and why she won't do R$150 rather than go home broke?

[Sperto]

Thinking that you will be able to sway one of the top 5 hot garotas to spend a TLN for R$150 is a PURE fantasy.

That's very true, in your case.
You impressed me by writing a post without mentioning your MBA, apartments or your income.

[Mangera]

Why give then R50 for taxi. If you fucking in Copa, the gdp will catch a R2. 50 van back to Balcony or home. But I don't give a tip or taxi. That's just me. I know of a girl who live in walking distance from my apt and she asked for taxi. But you can avoid all of that if you hit the centro casas or those in Niteroi. Most of the Balcony females don't fuck well without trying to take control of the session.

Further, there have been incidents where girls have been asking for money up front. Never pay up front.

This business of paying upfront is a freaken thorn on myside. Not many things irritate me when negotiating or dealing with the ladies because I have been around the block to many times already. However, for whatever reason, it ticks me off. NEVER PAY UPFRONT! If you do. 9 out of 10 times you are going to get crappy service. But some guys are just happy to stick there wiener is any hole, and shoot their load.

Gentlemen, Please don't help start a new trend of paying upfront, this is suicide. I always say no, and if they persist, I show them the money in full and then tell them not to worry because I have it in full, and it will be waiting for them when session is over. This usually works all of the time for me. There has been a couple of exceptions in all of these past years. And YEEEEEESSSSS< I HELD THE LINE, and told them no deal and to leave. And they did. You win some and you lose some, thats life!

[Mangera]

Exactly. What a GP ask for and what she accepts are two very different things.

Negotiation tactics:

Me: Voce cobra quanto?

GP: 300 reais.

(Avoid falling down on the ground laughing, only smile a bit like she said something very amusing.)

Me: Voce faz por quanto?

GP: 150 reais.

Me: Now tell her that she's very beautiful and that she deserves 400 reais, but that's out of your limit. Ask her if she accepts 80 reais.

If she's a smart GP she accepts or maybe try asking for 100 reais.

If it's a gold-digger she will continue demanding 150 reais. Then dump her or tell her to try with one of the old and fat gringos.

If she didn't accept 80 reais she might very well come back in a while accepting it.

The fair p*ssy-price in Brazil should be R$50/1-2pop-session. If it's a TLN and the GP is very hot go up to maximum R$100.

If the girl should be exceptionally beautiful. 10 points, and on your must-do-list limit yourself to R$150.

Over R$150? No way. Considering the abundance of GPs in Brazil there is no reason to ever pay more than R$150. Never!

Sperto, I think you underestimate how much your expereince, knowledge, and ability (fluent) to communicatehelp you hold the line on those rates you mentioned. I agree with them for the most part if you are a brasilero or an experienced hobbyist such as yourself a few others in this forum. However, the majority of gringo's find it extremely difficult to get those rates cause they do not speak fluently, are inexperienced in negotiating with gdp, are hrony bastards that have no selfcontrol, np patience, etc. Again, I will try to come as close as possible to those rates, but for rookies or tourists in general, thats a hard line to hold. But then again, your post is making them aware (or hopefully will make them aware) of just how much of a sucker they are being, and most importantly that they are driving up the rates, and furthermore, driving up rates with less quality service.

[Mangera]

I've told the girls that if they want their price then they will have to leave without a shower, for I will charge them to use my towel, soap and water. But if they want to leave fresh and clean then the price is R250 from their high price. It's like when the as for a tip out after a session. Take the fucking tip out of the money I just paid you. A tip was not part of the deal. If a girl has no where to sleep, it's no my problem even if it's raining. If she wants to spent the night because it's late or the weather is bad, then it will cost her. I normally pay them to go home. If she expects to eat breakfast the next morning if I was generous enough to let her infringe on my time, then it will cost her. But if her price is reasonable, she's a 10, a 3 holer, and she loved the dick in her, mouth, pussy and ass with a tinge of GFE, then I will treat her exceptionally. But for those "sharks" they will get my break down on the price, or leave my apartment without a shower. All I care is they shower before I fuck her, but showering after she does her job is her problem. I learned to be a hard ass. I tell them that yes I'm a gringo, but not a stupid gringo. No many of those heffers at Dolci Vita, where I don't frequent, but it's the same mentality girls who are dressed well or frequent hoes or Copa, and those girls look for stupid gringoes meaning, those who don't do their research before jumping in the swamp of Rio.

You are absolutely coorect that at certain times you have to be a hard ass. Being a hard ass is not a harsh thing if you know which apporach to take and how to word things. You are also correct in telling them that you are a gringo, but not a stupid gringo. They will actually respect you more, becuase they know you will not take their crap, just like brazilian men to do not take that crap from them. You make some Great points Sir!