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[Prosal]

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[Member #4491]

To say that someone who is well-dressed is someone who lacks of self esteem is simply silly.

I agree (who said that?) and I dress well, partly because I travel light and must be dressed for "work" (I only pretend to work nowadays). I think my point is to subtle for this forum so never mind. Let us all instead neurotically describe how smart we dress and then we can all tell each-others that we are OK and will get girls. We should all post pictures of our dream clothes. But we must use movie stars that we think we look like. It is far more interesting than pictures of females we shagged.

Have fun.

Thank you for the offer Wallyally but that was not exactly what I had in mind.

No idea what she is wearing, BeeDiddy but I bet you she is writing about it all the time to her friend on their "how to dress"-board.

Jojosun, LOL!

Cheers from Barba.

On an airport again finally so hasta la vista, pervs!

[Cruiser D]

True about Armani, the name has been over marketed but they still make a nice suit. Versace has seemed to supplanted Armani in the top of the Italian name heap.

But when you get right down to it Armani, Versace and Zenga are about the same quality and price.

BTW Armani is now just a mid-level brand which abuse of the ridiculously emblazoned clothes that screams out that the wearer is a poseur.

As a Moscow resident rightly said in the ISG Russia forums, being well-groomed is deadly effective in FSU. Dress with rafinement and style (the "style" IMO doesn't include to wear a suit) and you'll literally pushing girls off of you, no matter your language skills.

[Cruiser D]

No, trouser pleats have been all over the runways this year for male fashions.

Stay current. .

You must be attempting humour here.

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[Jojosun]

CD.

I agree that a bad dressed looser is perhaps the absolute worst combination for scoring pretty girls. And to dress well will rarely hurt the cause, even though Prosal has a point about being the club clown. Females are attracted to recourses (financial, intellectual etc). If you project an image of controlling resources by any mean, they will be attracted to you. The most impressive resource controller is perhaps a humoristic, financially independent and intelligent man with a good portion of self distance, yet in touch with the monkey that will f*ck her like the female she is. Or is this just my own vanity speaking?

All the best from Barba (who did not wear jeans since the mid 90s)

I am going to order made to measure expensive Silk Briefs for myself, so I can preside over the ceremony of the Grand Openings of my Envelpos, each enclosing US$100 crisp notes, just as crisp as my briefs.

And if the US$$$ don't impress the Mamba Girls, My Silk Briefs will.

[PedroToronja]

I could not agree more with this post! As someone who has spent time in Budapest, Kiev and Minsk I know Eastern and Central European women love a well dressed man. In fact most women from all cultures do. I know a very sexy Russian girl from St. Petersburg who now lives in my city in Canada. Her name is Viktoria. She told me when she was living in Russia she met with a Canadian guy in SPB that she met off of the internet. According to her the guy dressed terrible and she was astonished as he was from the west and surely could afford better clothes. Needless to say she never met with him again. What is more, most men in Ukraine and Belarus dress like shit or can't afford to dress better than they do. In these countries dressing like you have money usually means you have money and the ladies here (I am in Minsk right now) love it. Especially if you're sponsoring some young hottie. Her being seen with a well dressed guy from the west is a status symbol for her and that only works out well for you in the end!

Let me refer back to Viktoria. When I came into the office wearing a Lacoste polo, a smart pair of dress pants and well made leather dress shoes she said 'Oh, the girls in Minsk are going to like you! ' And they do. I wear clothes you can't get in these countries, only in the west. You don't have to wear Armani. That's ridiculous! If you want some advice on what or where to buy clothes send me a PM. I have some great suggestions (and no I don't work for a retail company so can the hate mail!). Just keep in mind what I said. In the FSU looking like you have money garnished with a western accent usually means you have money and that is a big plus when meeting women here. Good luck, gentlemen!

Can you please give us a brief report on mongering in Minsk? I am only one hour away in Kiev. BTW, I do agree 100% with all you said above. A Uki girl told me that her friends, who saw us walking together to the Opera House, were very impressed by her companion (me) because 'the guy' had an expensive hair cut and good shoes. Ukrainian and Russian men basically cut their hair very short in some cheap salon or at home, no shape, no style, just short and all the same non-style style.

[PedroToronja]

To say that someone who is well-dressed is someone who lacks of self esteem is simply silly. Of course, being well-groomed doesn't compensate a lack of self-confidence, charm, witt or poise. But you can have those qualities AND have taste in the way you dress.

About the 200us$ teacher, let me disagree also. Dyevs, whatever their social class, their age group or their expectations, inevitably dress to the tens when they go out, and for most of them anything less than a similarly well-appointed guy is not a guy worth fucking. It's a question of self-respect. Especially if you're a foreigner. Coming from the West, you CAN'T convince a Russian girl that you don't like or can't afford to dress well. It's beyond her comprehension. It has been said many many times here, dressing style is even more important than looks in this part of the world.

BTW Armani is now just a mid-level brand which abuse of the ridiculously emblazoned clothes that screams out that the wearer is a poseur.

You seem to forget that Russia, Ukraine, ect are definitely class societies and you want (you must) to show everybody which class you are in. The fashion issue is an unending issue in FSU. Russian (and Ukrainian for that matter) girls are second to none in their obsession with it. I agree that they are very superficial in that respect.

As a Moscow resident rightly said in the ISG Russia forums, being well-groomed is deadly effective in FSU. Dress with rafinement and style (the "style" IMO doesn't include to wear a suit) and you'll literally pushing girls off of you, no matter your language skills.

Fully agree with Prosal. BTW, drop Armani. Brioni, Kiton, Stefano Ricci, Loro Piana, perhaps a Zegna. Aim higher my friend.

[PedroToronja]

Spoken like someone with his sights set on average. Enjoy.

You are not going to impress a prostitute, and there is no need to do that, we agree. When they talk about 'impressing' I assume they are talking about civilians or that hybrid of 'normal' girl who would not mind supplement her income with a gift from a much older guy who wants to do her. Dressing nice, treating them with courtesy, may get you (it happened to me many times) a better pussy than the one you get from a pro. Yes, clean shoes are a very important indication for most women over here.

[PedroToronja]

I generally have one of my girls call one of the various taxi dispatchers for me.

Otherwise I try to keep it to under 30uah in the center. If one taxi is too high just say no and go to the next.

Then avoid getting in a cab anywhere in Krechiatik or around Premier Palace. There the prices start at 100 hrivnas, and normally stay at that level unless you go to the airport. It is always cheaper to call a taxi by phone, with the help of a local. Then it may be around 30 hrivnas around downtown.

[PedroToronja]

Pedro, if you decide to enter

And so in over a year of taking out dates from the strip club using care

LJ, you are right, I did not read either the posts you mention or the entire reply you provided to Barba last: I scanned it and saw that 3 letter word yet AGAIN, of the one strip club (in singular) you appear to make reference above when you tell us you took dates from it for over a year. It would appear that you have a connection, if not trying to help them, at least as an 'aficionado'. Maybe it was a typo, but you point to a single club for your 'take out' for over a year.

LJ, I have been to strip clubs and other houses of "ill repute" for as long as I can remember, and that is VERY long. Girls that strip, give lap dances and provide outcalls are beyond jaded. I find it impossible to believe that in such place you frequently find GFE material. The 'interview' stage you mention. Is quite surprising to me also. These girls are professionals and masterful at their art: if an interview takes place, you are the interviewee, they are the interviewer. Other than deciding if you want to bed her or not, if you want to pay the fee or not, there is not much else you are in a position to decide. We may deal with a few of those girls a month (probably not every month). They deal with guys like you or me every day, tons of us. Is not an even playing field. Anyway, please don't take offense, I was just sick of reading yet again another mention of that club in a good light. Yes, saying that you find GFE material there, is putting them in a good light and promoting them. If anything, we 'come here' to get info so we don't get stuck, we do the fucking instead of getting screwed, to use our mongering budget intelligently. We need to tell is as it is, at least among us.

[PedroToronja]

It all depends on where you are and the time of day. Even oligarchs wear ties during the day.

I hit Kiev in 2004, spent probably 3-4 years in total in Ukraine and have about 1200 names and numbers in my Ukrainian mobile phone, please do tell me how it really is.

Cruiser, from your posts I take it that you are very knowledgeable of the place. The issue of tie or not is not quite important, but it is (at least) the fashion for the past 2 years or so. It was true this morning in Volkonsky in Passage, it was on the posters of the politicians running on the past election, on the guys sitting on the back of the Maybacks, Mercedes, etc. Also in Passage (the drivers and bodyguards do wear ties). It was the case last night in Buddah (amazing hookers at the bar, as usual). Again, this is just an observation and not truly important.

[BeeDiddy]

Anyone with experience from this girl? Told me she is not into P4P when we had lunch. I need to qualify with time. Model that just turned 18. I checked her passport. PM if you know her but do not wish to take it here.

B.

Haha, what is that girl going to model for? Halloween costumes?

[Prosal]

In the FSU looking like you have money garnished with a western accent usually means you have money and that is a big plus when meeting women here.

Right, but as Pedro rightly said to overdo is as bad as dressing too low. Best is to look fashionable and refined, but not obsessed with it. That is why IMO intentionally wearing a suit in a club is ludicrous. We're not in the 90s anymore. Now a sex-weaned foreigner who dress like a "biznessman" solely with the intention to impress is rather a subject of mockery.

[Member #4274]

To say that someone who is well-dressed is someone who lacks of self esteem is simply silly. Of course, being well-groomed doesn't compensate a lack of self-confidence, charm, witt or poise. But you can have those qualities AND have taste in the way you dress.

About the 200us$ teacher, let me disagree also. Dyevs, whatever their social class, their age group or their expectations, inevitably dress to the tens when they go out, and for most of them anything less than a similarly well-appointed guy is not a guy worth fucking. It's a question of self-respect. Especially if you're a foreigner. Coming from the West, you CAN'T convince a Russian girl that you don't like or can't afford to dress well. It's beyond her comprehension. It has been said many many times here, dressing style is even more important than looks in this part of the world.

BTW Armani is now just a mid-level brand which abuse of the ridiculously emblazoned clothes that screams out that the wearer is a poseur.

You seem to forget that Russia, Ukraine, ect are definitely class societies and you want (you must) to show everybody which class you are in. The fashion issue is an unending issue in FSU. Russian (and Ukrainian for that matter) girls are second to none in their obsession with it. I agree that they are very superficial in that respect.

As a Moscow resident rightly said in the ISG Russia forums, being well-groomed is deadly effective in FSU. Dress with rafinement and style (the "style" IMO doesn't include to wear a suit) and you'll literally pushing girls off of you, no matter your language skills.

I could not agree more with this post! As someone who has spent time in Budapest, Kiev and Minsk I know Eastern and Central European women love a well dressed man. In fact most women from all cultures do. I know a very sexy Russian girl from St. Petersburg who now lives in my city in Canada. Her name is Viktoria. She told me when she was living in Russia she met with a Canadian guy in SPB that she met off of the internet. According to her the guy dressed terrible and she was astonished as he was from the west and surely could afford better clothes. Needless to say she never met with him again. What is more, most men in Ukraine and Belarus dress like shit or can't afford to dress better than they do. In these countries dressing like you have money usually means you have money and the ladies here (I am in Minsk right now) love it. Especially if you're sponsoring some young hottie. Her being seen with a well dressed guy from the west is a status symbol for her and that only works out well for you in the end!

Let me refer back to Viktoria. When I came into the office wearing a Lacoste polo, a smart pair of dress pants and well made leather dress shoes she said 'Oh, the girls in Minsk are going to like you! ' And they do. I wear clothes you can't get in these countries, only in the west. You don't have to wear Armani. That's ridiculous! If you want some advice on what or where to buy clothes send me a PM. I have some great suggestions (and no I don't work for a retail company so can the hate mail!). Just keep in mind what I said. In the FSU looking like you have money garnished with a western accent usually means you have money and that is a big plus when meeting women here. Good luck, gentlemen!