Kyiv

[PedroToronja]

My experience during a recent 6-weeks-stay with working girls was totally different. You can't trust statements like "photos are 100 % real" or "photos are mine, don't ask, it's annoying". Many girls or the operators / agencies lie in the profile, in mails they send you and even on the phone. Photos often show very beautiful girls, they are just too good to be true. You can not get such girls for the the quoted prices like 600 or 800 Gr.

I am refering to girls in Mamba, not in top-modals etc. In Mamba, I met some 10 or 12 and 90% were real. Maybe because I discarded those that are obviously professional photos, too perfect to be true.

[Tuggen]

Dear Sam,

She is smokin hot and lists her prices as follows:

But Nata is a different type of girl working on the high end of the pay scale (250 Euro 1st hour) and she looks it.

LJ

I would say that this girl by look on photos is way below my absolute minimum requirements. I get worried when people talks about this low standard, compared to my requirements, as if it would be good because it indicates that normal WG standard (from customers point of view) is very difficult to find in Kiev. Actully there very very few doable at all under Kiev page of this site. I have seen much better at Rio but to be honost very few. I would say there is a 50/50 chance to find a doable girls at Rio at a given evening and then there is a bad chance she doesn't even go out.

[LilJoey]

Hello LJ:

Thanks you for the contribution to this form as your posts had helped me a great deal in my first visit to Kiev.

When using.

WWW.escortnews.eu

I apply 2 filters "independent" & "100% verified"; when you do so you will end up with few girls and only one Nata. I simply don't want to take the risk with unverified photo or use girls who works for an escort agency since they usually split the cost which means that we will pay double.

The prices that appears for Nata at the web site are for Istanbul that are higher. She quoted the price of 400 Euro for overnight in Kiev and I did not negotiate; she arrived at 9pm and left at 11am after having breakfast together. I was with her on Sunday July 29th, you can use my name as a reference, and I am sure you will get the same price.

Sam

Dear Sam,

I note that on Nata's profile on escortnews. Eu she is smokin hot and lists her prices as follows: "My time- 1h-250Eur or 550TL 2h 350Eur or 800 TL 6h 550Eur or 1300TL overnight 900 Eur A-level (extra)". Thus for overnight the price she lists is 900 Euro.

So you're explaining that the 900 Euro price is what she asks in Istanbul. But in Kiev she asks only 400 Euro for an overnight, without need for negotiation.

Well, in my opinion, for the 14 hours (9:00 PM to 11:00 AM) she gave you, a price of 400 Euro (almost $500 USD) is not a bad long term package deal price, and you did well. Others have opined that they thought a correct overnight price would be something like $300 USD, but they were talking about a different type of girl that has a first hour rate of under $100. But Nata is a different type of girl working on the high end of the pay scale (250 Euro 1st hour) and she looks it. An agency would surely be looking to charge the 900 Euro rate for her for an overnight. So your filtering for an "independent" girl, paid off in getting a lower price. I was once quoted an $800 USD price for a full 24 hours time period by a very hot Rio dancer, but I decided that I was better off just taking her out for just the night at their usual fee of $400 for all night, which by them means until 5:00 AM, so it means up to 8 hours if you take them out by 9:00 PM. The only way to beat this, is the guys who have taken out Rio girls for $300, and had a very good connection with the girl and she stayed much later with him until noon. But that's a special achievement, and not usual at all. So in the perspective of things, for a girl on that high level of looks who is normally getting high rates when she does City Tours to Istanbul and the like, it's a good rate you paid. The only guys who are beating that cost are doing it with local girls who never received high rates and are happy with under $100 for the first hour, and don't usually look like glamour models.

And thanks for the encouraging words, as well as opening a new website venue for me to look at.

LJ

[Jojosun]

Actually, I can't book any escort in the US for $500 or 400 Euro overnight (8-12 hours) unless I bring her from my previous contact which means that I have to pay for her flight.

I.

Have you tried Boston, MASS? LOL.

If not across the Charles River in Watertown, Mass. Height of excitment Trivia Nights.

There you might find a bored to death Escort who will do you for the Night, LOL. , or she might even pay for her own flight to meet you.

[Cruiser D]

Glad to hear you had a good time.

Actually, I can't book any escort in Europe or the US for $500 or 400 Euro overnight (8-12 hours) unless I bring her from my previous contact which means that I have to pay for her flight.

I've never been to Kiev and I really wanted to go there plus I only used the escort for 1 night while seeing my semi pro girl for 2 nights, a girl from RIO, an erotic massage, and feasted my eyes on the beautiful girls in the streets.

I may do it a little different next time and explore the night clubs especially after August when the universities are open.

[Samata61]

Hi Samata61,

Good report. It seems you are comfortable with the very high end of p4p ladies of the highest quality. Upon reading your report, I looked at the escort website you mentioned, namely,

www.escortnews.eu

, and was very impressed by the good looks of the escorts photos there. I actually recognize a couple of the ladies whose photos are on the escortnews. Eu website, as being some of the girls I had actually been with, or wanted to be with, from the old vodka escort. Com website. You remarked that the young lady you had chosen was "Nata" and that she arrived at your room appearing just as she was pictured. That's good news if they ate using true pics. Vodkaescort. Com used true (albeit very photoshopped) pics also. And there are not enough escort websites that use true pics, even with blurred faces. So this is good to hear there is another true picture website operating that serves Kiev.

However, I looked at the prices they ate asking for these hot girls and they are through the roof! 200 Euro for 1 hour. 350 euro for 2 hours. 500 Euro for 3 hours. 900 Euro for the night. There were three girls with the name "Nata" on the website, all charging very high rates. Yet you report an overnight stay with Nata from escortnews. Eu at a total of 400 Euro cost?

Something doesn't add up.

Could you please explain what amount of time you booked and how much you were actually charged? And if there rates are very negotiable, please let us know how and what. I was successful in the past of negotiating with vodkaescort. Com to get them to agree to charge me no more than the $300/3 hour rate I told them I was paying at strip clubs for hotter girls than they had. But 400 euro for a full overnight with multiple shots and a delightful experience such as you have described, seems to be too steep a discount off their prices. Unless they realize how unreasonable those prices are for this economy and in Kiev, and they are being reasonable about it. Either way, it's very important information for those, such as myself, looking for an alternative to strip clubs and gia-escort. Com. At one point I was using, as I mentioned, but they went out of business. I recently found their website up and running again, but only with girls photos who are based in St Petersburg, not in Ukraine. Is there any connection of the two companies? I'm wondering, since I see a few if the same girls. Any insights?

LJ

Hello LJ:

Thanks you for the contribution to this form as your posts had helped me a great deal in my first visit to Kiev.

When using WWW.escortnews.eu I apply 2 filters "independent" & "100% verified"; when you do so you will end up with few girls and only one Nata. I simply don't want to take the risk with unverified photo or use girls who works for an escort agency since they usually split the cost which means that we will pay double.

The prices that appears for Nata at the web site are for Istanbul that are higher. She quoted the price of 400 Euro for overnight in Kiev and I did not negotiate; she arrived at 9pm and left at 11am after having breakfast together. I was with her on Sunday July 29th, you can use my name as a reference, and I am sure you will get the same price.

Sam

[Samata61]

Natalia is a lot of fun.

I'm curious, why do you come to Kiev when with the money you spent you could have the same time in any city?

Actually, I can't book any escort in Europe or the US for $500 or 400 Euro overnight (8-12 hours) unless I bring her from my previous contact which means that I have to pay for her flight.

I've never been to Kiev and I really wanted to go there plus I only used the escort for 1 night while seeing my semi pro girl for 2 nights, a girl from RIO, an erotic massage, and feasted my eyes on the beautiful girls in the streets.

I may do it a little different next time and explore the night clubs especially after August when the universities are open.

[LilJoey]

since it was a sunday, i called upon a highly referred escort from escortnews. eu (nata) who happened to be in kiev since she has moved to istanbul. she arrived at the hotel at 9pm, she was exactly as advertised, and looked absolutely great. went to dinner and it was strange that despite her beauty i was not all that excited but i thought it due to having a lot of sex in the last couple of days till she told me her birthday and we were born in the exact same day but different years off course. that all changer we arrived to the hotel room as she was a hot kitten and started by caressing her nipples and clit with a small vibrator at full site which was exciting then on to bbbj, daty (she did not seem to enjoy but allowed) , cow girl, then we both came reverse cowgirl with a great view of her ass. it was getting late so we went to sleep but asked me to have sex with her at night if i felt like it and i obliged around 6am and i was very exciting playing with these firm large breast, ass, and pussy while she was or pretended to be half asleep then sex missionary till i came and went back to sleep a happy camper.

we woke up around 10am and her vibrator had run out of battery so she warned me that i had to arouse her which i happily obliged and she returned the favor by a long slow bbbj then doggy style in various heights and speed till i came.

we went out to breakfast near the hotel and she insisted on paying then showed me to a legit massage parlor and i reserved a massage in a few hours and went on to walk around kiev and it was scorching hot. got to the massage around 2:30 and had a great 1. 5 hour massage from 2 masseuses from bali with no extra based on my request.

total damage for nata : 400 euro.

hi samata61,

good report. it seems you are comfortable with the very high end of p4p ladies of the highest quality. upon reading your report, i looked at the escort website you mentioned, namely, www.escortnews.eu, and was very impressed by the good looks of the escorts photos there. i actually recognize a couple of the ladies whose photos are on the escortnews. eu website, as being some of the girls i had actually been with, or wanted to be with, from the old vodkaescort. com website. you remarked that the young lady you had chosen was "nata" and that she arrived at your room appearing just as she was pictured. that's good news if they are using true pics. vodkaescort. com used true (albeit very photoshopped) pics also. and there are not enough escort websites that use true pics, even with blurred faces. so this is good to hear there is another true picture website operating that serves kiev.

however, i looked at the prices they are asking for these hot girls and they are through the roof! 200 euro for 1 hour. 350 euro for 2 hours. 500 euro for 3 hours. 900 euro for the night. there were three girls with the name "nata" on the website, all charging very high rates. yet you report an overnight stay with nata from escortnews. eu at a total of 400 euro cost?

something doesn't add up.

could you please explain what amount of time you booked and how much you were actually charged? and if there rates are very negotiable, please let us know how and what. i was successful in the past of negotiating with vodkaescort. com to get them to agree to charge me no more than the $300/3 hour rate i told them i was paying at strip clubs for hotter girls than they had. but 400 euro for a full overnight with multiple shots and a delightful experience such as you have described, seems to be too steep a discount off their prices. unless they realize how unreasonable those prices are for this economy and in kiev, and they are being reasonable about it. either way, it's very important information for those, such as myself, who could benefit from the existence of a good alternative to strip clubs and gia-escort. com.

at one point i was using vodkaescort. com, as i mentioned, but they went out of business. i recently found their website up and running again, but only with girls photos who are based in st petersburg, not in ukraine. is there any connection of the two companies? i'm wondering, since i see a few of the same girls from vodka on the escortnews. eu website? any insights?

lj

[LilJoey]

My experience during a recent 6-weeks-stay with working girls was totally different. You can't trust statements like "photos are 100 % real" or "photos are mine, don't ask, it's annoying". Many girls or the operators / agencies lie in the profile, in mails they send you and even on the phone. Photos often show very beautiful girls, they are just too good to be true. You can not get such girls for the the quoted prices like 600 or 800 Gr.

Guys, it's not necessary to start this silly argument about whether mamba. Ru pictures are mostly true or mostly fake. Both assertions are true. How can this be? I've explained this several times. Why don't you guys get it? Regular girls who are looking for normal dates are using true pictures because to use fake pictures would be silly in this context when at the first date, or even at the first time the parties Skype, the lie would be exposed, and it risks ruining the beginning of the relationship that was desired. However, prostitutes and escort agencies and other girls trying to get money for sex are using mostly fake pictures of very beautiful girls to help them lure customers to book appointments with them, and even though their lie will be exposed when they show up at the customer's door and it is obvious they are not the girl in the profile photos, they have achieved their purpose, which was to get their foot into your door, as any salesman would like to do, and then they hope that the customer is horny enough to just take them for sex instead."bait and switch" tactics usually work in these circumstances If the girl looks good enough and the customer is horny enough for sex. The escort agencies that use bait and switch tactics think it is a good idea, because it usually works, and they know they wouldn't have gotten the call and the extra business without using these dishonest tactics.

And yes There are individual prostitute girls who are exceptions to this approach and who ate using their own photos. I encountered two of them myself in 2010 (Natasha and Stesha on top-modals. Com) and one last year (Linda on mamba. Ru) , so I know it happens. Others have reported additional instances.

But for the most part, the majority of reported experience on this thread, when it comes to the Working Girl type of profile (not the regular girl type of profile) is that fake photos were used and girls different than the photos were showing up at appointments. Just read the last year or two of reports on this thread and satisfy yourselves that this statement is correct as to the majority of reports on this thread. And if the majority of reported experience on this thread is that Working Girls seeking money for sex on mamba were mostly using fake pictures, it follows that that is what the majority of Working Girls were in fact doing.

Why then does Pedro say what he says now and Pimpa say what he says in contradiction? I'm sure both are honestly reporting the facts as they experienced them. However, the key is to understand that each of their experiences were more limited than the whole. I don't believe Pedro was focusing on finding the hard core prostitutes and escort agencies offering pay for play (p4p) on mamba, but rather more the regular girl type or maybe semi-pro interested him. I don't recall and haven't researched all his prior posts. But this is likely the reason that he mostly encountered girls using true pictures, since they were profiles meant to attract regular dates. On the other hand, Pimpa's experience with the prostitute girls and escort agencies seeking customers for money for sex that they were offering, that mostly fake pictures were being used, is entirely consistent with prior reported experience with such types of girls advertising on mamba. Ru over the past several years.

Therefore, Pedro and Pimpa are not speaking about the same type of girls, and there is no real argument. Each is reporting about the habits of different types of girls in their limited experience.

LJ

[Cruiser D]

I know about 10-15 words of Russian. Using mamba has never been an issue for me, I have had great success.

As DrBlank writes, the photos of the girls who sell sex on Mamba are fake most of the time. In a six week stay I found some exceptions. Usually they were independant girls like Irina, blond. 18 according to her profile, who charges 500 Gr / h plus 100 for DATY. All of her photos are real.

Even speaking Russian, I had to invest a lot of time (I. E. I lost a lot of time.) I think for Dudes who don't speak Russian it is just frustrating as hell.

[Cruiser D]

Natalia is a lot of fun.

I'm curious, why do you come to Kiev when with the money you spent you could have the same time in any city?

July 27, 2012.

Total damage for Nata : 400 Euro.

[LilJoey]

since it was a sunday, i called upon a highly referred escort from escortnews. eu (nata) who happened to be in kiev since she has moved to istanbul. she arrived at the hotel at 9pm, she was exactly as advertised, and looked absolutely great. went to dinner and it was strange that despite her beauty i was not all that excited but i thought it due to having a lot of sex in the last couple of days till she told me her birthday and we were born in the exact same day but different years off course. that all changer we arrived to the hotel room as she was a hot kitten and started by caressing her nipples and clit with a small vibrator at full site which was exciting then on to bbbj, daty (she did not seem to enjoy but allowed) , cow girl, then we both came reverse cowgirl with a great view of her ass. it was getting late so we went to sleep but asked me to have sex with her at night if i felt like it and i obliged around 6am and i was very exciting playing with these firm large breast, ass, and pussy while she was or pretended to be half asleep then sex missionary till i came and went back to sleep a happy camper.

we woke up around 10am and her vibrator had run out of battery so she warned me that i had to arouse her which i happily obliged and she returned the favor by a long slow bbbj then doggy style in various heights and speed till i came.

we went out to breakfast near the hotel and she insisted on paying then showed me to a legit massage parlor and i reserved a massage in a few hours and went on to walk around kiev and it was scorching hot. got to the massage around 2:30 and had a great 1. 5 hour massage from 2 masseuses from bali with no extra based on my request.

total damage for nata : 400 euro.

hi samata61,

good report. it seems you are comfortable with the very high end of p4p ladies of the highest quality. upon reading your report, i looked at the escort website you mentioned, namely, www.escortnews.eu, and was very impressed by the good looks of the escorts photos there. i actually recognize a couple of the ladies whose photos are on the escortnews. eu website, as being some of the girls i had actually been with, or wanted to be with, from the old vodka escort. com website. you remarked that the young lady you had chosen was "nata" and that she arrived at your room appearing just as she was pictured. that's good news if they ate using true pics. vodkaescort. com used true (albeit very photoshopped) pics also. and there are not enough escort websites that use true pics, even with blurred faces. so this is good to hear there is another true picture website operating that serves kiev.

however, i looked at the prices they ate asking for these hot girls and they are through the roof! 200 euro for 1 hour. 350 euro for 2 hours. 500 euro for 3 hours. 900 euro for the night. there were three girls with the name "nata" on the website, all charging very high rates. yet you report an overnight stay with nata from escortnews. eu at a total of 400 euro cost?

something doesn't add up.

could you please explain what amount of time you booked and how much you were actually charged? and if there rates are very negotiable, please let us know how and what. i was successful in the past of negotiating with vodkaescort. com to get them to agree to charge me no more than the $300/3 hour rate i told them i was paying at strip clubs for hotter girls than they had. but 400 euro for a full overnight with multiple shots and a delightful experience such as you have described, seems to be too steep a discount off their prices. unless they realize how unreasonable those prices are for this economy and in kiev, and they are being reasonable about it. either way, it's very important information for those, such as myself, looking for an alternative to strip clubs and gia-escort. com. at one point i was using, as i mentioned, but they went out of business. i recently found their website up and running again, but only with girls photos who are based in st petersburg, not in ukraine. is there any connection of the two companies? i'm wondering, since i see a few if the same girls. any insights?

lj

[Samata61]

Nice to read such informative report and great time you had. Where from did you get you semi pro hot girl? Vkontakte, mamba or other source? Hoe did you manage to meet her? With respect, ronaldinho

I have collected Ukrainian girls contacts through the years, stayed in contact via email, and usually would ask them to refer a friend if they're busy during my trip / s in return for a small tip. I had met her last year to Odessa when she was referred by one of my favorite girls who was busy at the time. I have set the price of $500 per day but will usually release the girl in the morning unless we are in a trip together then she we stay together the whole time.

I don't have enough time to use the dating web sites since my trips are usually 3-4 days.

[Samata61]

Buddah bar gets busy by midnight, and the girls hang by the bar upstairs. I saw some nines and tens there. I am sure they are very expensive.

As for hotel, next time I suggest you stay in rented apartment instead, for 1/3 of the price.

Regarding the girl with the jewelry store, can you give us a hint of how to locate her? I would love to meet her!

You had a great week, congratulations!

I am always worried about staying in a rented apartment since I carry lots of cash to avoid being tracked through my credit card and I am afraid these apartments will not have a safe.

I had requests in the past to share the information of the jewelry store girl and when I inquired with her, she refused. I had shared many contacts in the past with fellow ISG members but only after getting the girls OK.

[Tuggen]

Which do you think is better. Apartments or hotel?

I always use Hotel when I'm in Kiev. It seems as apartments in general are more expensive than Hotel.

The best of the cheap hotels I have stayed in is Hotel Rus at about $75 a night. I would not say it very good but OK compared to lets say Dnipro or Ukraine. However I think a double room would be closing up to an apartment in price.

Appartments as Kievinn or Senator-apartments is at least about $130 a night with possible discount for longer stays.

For a quite good appartment complex I could pay a little more than the hotel but not way beyond.

Anyone has recomendations of OK to good apartments and hotels to reasonable price.