Kyiv

[Naykan]

Hi Guys,

Any new saloons or private houses with good quality girls in city center?

Tel. Numbers are very appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Naykan

[Irish Lad]

Dear IL,

I am still smiling at your quote "No, $300 is too much for YOU". Unless you are claiming some kind of copy right, I shall use this quote as the occassion arises. I agree, there is not point being rude to girls or even guys really. The only point that comes to my mind is that I met a girl at Avalon last summer who was quoting me $150 for a couple of hours and was telling me she has to charge $300 at the infamous Budda Bar as the security there are very greedy and the girls have to adjust what they charge the clients accordingly. I am not sure this is true or not but there you have it.

Many thanks for sharing!

Welcome to use it in circumstances where the girl has been insulting to you.

[Global Surfer]

Another suspect report. If people were getting low prices like $150/2hours at Buddha Bar, no one would be complaining. Your claim of getting a price of $150/2 hours at Buddha Bar, stands in stark contrast of most others who report much higher prices being demanded by the prima donna p4p girls who routinely inhabit this club and demand high prices such as $500 / hour or $400 / hour which maybe can be negotiated down to $300/2 hours, making these girls a worse investment than girls at a strip club. If even $200/2 hours was routinely possible at the Buddha Bar, it would not have been placed on the Cruiser D "no go" list of places, as it would have remained comparable to other clubs he recommended. So your claims of getting prices of $150/2hours at Buddha Bar mean that either things there have suddenly radically changed for an unknown reason, or that you are the best negotiator with prostitutes that ever lived, or that there is a typo in your report, or that it is inaccurate.

Therefore, confirmation from other reports by other members is needed to confirm the facts existing at Buddha Bar. Have the prices for p4p at Buddha Bar gone down radically from an approximate minimum of $300/2hours to a lower more acceptable rate of $200/2 hours or even below that to $150/2hours as claimed by Global Surfer. If the prices have gone down at Buddha Bar as claimed, then it should be a club that is recommended as ok for mongering, and should not be scorned as too high priced. (Sorry, not liking the decor of a club is not sufficient reason to remove a club from recommended places to monger when the girls are beautiful and the prices acceptable.) Have things changed for the better at Buddha Bar as claimed by Global Surfer?

I have visited Kiev only three times in my life and total 3 + 4 + 2 days and last time it was May 2012. Budha bar is very convenient for me as I used to stay in Kyreshetic Hotel. Budha bar does not have all stunners or any extra ordinary talent. Usually a few sitting / dancing with their clients / boy friends and 7-10 standing along the bar. Some of them are regular visitor of Caribbean (may be others) and also advertise on Mamba. If you read my report in 2011 I think mentioned that the same girl advertises for USD 100 on mamba. It is true that normally they ask for USD 200-300 but they are always open to negotiation. I don't think they can always manage to get that sort of money every day or even most of the days. If that is the case then you would never find them offering themselves for USD 300 in Dubai and even cheaper in Bangkok and Kualalampur

[YummyPL]

Those agencies that offer outrageously expensive apartments are outdated and totally useless now that there's Airbnb.

Agree with Prosal and Yellowpaul. I have used Airbnb in several countries and have always been happy.

[LilJoey]

Your info seems mixed up, or has a typo. The Vodka Bar is open from 12 noon until 6:00 AM. So in your post you are perforce saying that the student girls you speak of are staying at the club until around 11:30 PM in the evening (since the club is not open at 11:30 AM in the morning). If so your next statement makes no sense, when you say this is because these student girls must go to University at 12:00. You can't be referring to 12:00 AM or midnite, since the university is not having classes in the middle of the night. So you must be referring to 12:00 PM or 12:00 noon. If so, what are you saying? That student girls stay at the Vodka Bar until 11:30 PM in the evening because they must go to university at 12 noon the next day? It makes no sense. So please correct whatever typo or error there is in your reporting, because otherwise we will have to assume that the rest of your representations are bullshit also.

IL suggests you meant the student girls stay with you AT YOUR APARTMENT until 11:30 AM, because they must go to university at 12:00 noon.

My experience with girls who are actually studying at the university is that they need to leave early in the morning because their classes begin early in the morning, just like other universities in the rest of the world.

But then, I never looked into when Ukrainian universities actually start their classes.

Maybe IL knows better because he lives there in Ukraine and he did look into it. But it's really hard to believe that it could be true that in Ukraine they are so lazy ass, that they start university classes at 12:00 noon? I really don't think so. But if it were true, it might explain some things about the state of things in the country.

[Poker Player 2]

Dear IL,

I am still smiling at your quote "No, $300 is too much for YOU". Unless you are claiming some kind of copy right, I shall use this quote as the occassion arises. I agree, there is not point being rude to girls or even guys really. The only point that comes to my mind is that I met a girl at Avalon last summer who was quoting me $150 for a couple of hours and was telling me she has to charge $300 at the infamous Budda Bar as the security there are very greedy and the girls have to adjust what they charge the clients accordingly. I am not sure this is true or not but there you have it.

Many thanks for sharing!

There is certainly a mini crisis going on at the moment. Prices lower, girls more actively seeking help etc.

I can't confirm the BB prices as I have no intention of going there again. Barmen think they have celebrity status. Girls have pussies of gold. On a research mission there a few years ago. 1 girl quoted $300 which I politely declined. Her response was "Why, $300 is too much for you?" with some serious attitude. I just said "No, $300 is too much for you". I am almost never rude to the girls and usually reply "No thank you, I live in Kiev". They know the meaning of that.

The truth is that only about 10% of "working girls" are really hard core. Often enough, good treatment, some respect and a good time will get you the semi-pros for free. Maybe not the 1st time but usually on 2nd or 3rd meetings. There would be some motivation in them acting like this, it could be that their flat mate needs the apartment to herself that night, it could be that the rent has already been paid and they are "off the clock" so to speak or it could be that their hostel, which they share with 5 other girls has no TV and want to watch something on yours. Who cares the reason, just go with the flow.

[Irish Lad]

Just a quick report to let people know that at the moment in Vodka bar, the general asking price is $200. For the night. This can very easily be negotiated down to $100 for the night. There must be a big downturn in trade at the moment. Most of these girls are students and stay until around 11:30 because the go to University at 12:00.

There is certainly a mini crisis going on at the moment. Prices lower, girls more actively seeking help etc.

I can't confirm the BB prices as I have no intention of going there again. Barmen think they have celebrity status. Girls have pussies of gold. On a research mission there a few years ago. 1 girl quoted $300 which I politely declined. Her response was "Why, $300 is too much for you?" with some serious attitude. I just said "No, $300 is too much for you". I am almost never rude to the girls and usually reply "No thank you, I live in Kiev". They know the meaning of that.

The truth is that only about 10% of "working girls" are really hard core. Often enough, good treatment, some respect and a good time will get you the semi-pros for free. Maybe not the 1st time but usually on 2nd or 3rd meetings. There would be some motivation in them acting like this, it could be that their flat mate needs the apartment to herself that night, it could be that the rent has already been paid and they are "off the clock" so to speak or it could be that their hostel, which they share with 5 other girls has no TV and want to watch something on yours. Who cares the reason, just go with the flow.

[Irish Lad]

Just a quick report to let people know that at the moment in Vodka bar, the general asking price is $200. For the night. This can very easily be negotiated down to $100 for the night. There must be a big downturn in trade at the moment. Most of these girls are students and stay until around 11:30 because the go to University at 12:00.

I presume you mean they stay all night with you (Until 11:30) as they then go to university.

[LilJoey]

Very brief, very informative FR Excellent. I am planning to visit in May or early June and would certainly try it. The minimum I got from Budha bar was USD 150 for two hours. These prices were only available on mamba or certian web sites

Another suspect report. If people were getting low prices like $150/2hours at Buddha Bar, no one would be complaining. Your claim of getting a price of $150/2 hours at Buddha Bar, stands in stark contrast of most others who report much higher prices being demanded by the prima donna p4p girls who routinely inhabit this club and demand high prices such as $500 / hour or $400 / hour which maybe can be negotiated down to $300/2 hours, making these girls a worse investment than girls at a strip club. If even $200/2 hours was routinely possible at the Buddha Bar, it would not have been placed on the Cruiser D "no go" list of places, as it would have remained comparable to other clubs he recommended. So your claims of getting prices of $150/2hours at Buddha Bar mean that either things there have suddenly radically changed for an unknown reason, or that you are the best negotiator with prostitutes that ever lived, or that there is a typo in your report, or that it is inaccurate.

Therefore, confirmation from other reports by other members is needed to confirm the facts existing at Buddha Bar. Have the prices for p4p at Buddha Bar gone down radically from an approximate minimum of $300/2hours to a lower more acceptable rate of $200/2 hours or even below that to $150/2hours as claimed by Global Surfer. If the prices have gone down at Buddha Bar as claimed, then it should be a club that is recommended as ok for mongering, and should not be scorned as too high priced. (Sorry, not liking the decor of a club is not sufficient reason to remove a club from recommended places to monger when the girls are beautiful and the prices acceptable.) Have things changed for the better at Buddha Bar as claimed by Global Surfer?

[LilJoey]

Just a quick report to let people know that at the moment in Vodka bar, the general asking price is $200. For the night. This can very easily be negotiated down to $100 for the night. There must be a big downturn in trade at the moment. Most of these girls are students and stay until around 11:30 because the go to University at 12:00.

Your info seems mixed up, or has a typo. The Vodka Bar is open from 12 noon until 6:00 AM. So in your post you are perforce saying that the student girls you speak of are staying at the club until around 11:30 PM in the evening (since the club is not open at 11:30 AM in the morning). If so your next statement makes no sense, when you say this is because these student girls must go to University at 12:00. You can't be referring to 12:00 AM or midnite, since the university is not having classes in the middle of the night. So you must be referring to 12:00 PM or 12:00 noon. If so, what are you saying? That student girls stay at the Vodka Bar until 11:30 PM in the evening because they must go to university at 12 noon the next day? It makes no sense. So please correct whatever typo or error there is in your reporting, because otherwise we will have to assume that the rest of your representations are bullshit also.

[Global Surfer]

Just a quick report to let people know that at the moment in Vodka bar, the general asking price is $200. For the night. This can very easily be negotiated down to $100 for the night. There must be a big downturn in trade at the moment. Most of these girls are students and stay until around 11:30 because the go to University at 12:00.

Very brief, very informative FR Excellent. I am planning to visit in May or early June and would certainly try it. The minimum I got from Budha bar was USD 150 for two hours. These prices were only available on mamba or certian web sites

[Member #4491]

Barba,

Clear your fucking (mail) box!

Mailbox cleared.

B.

[Stevk1]

Just a quick report to let people know that at the moment in Vodka bar, the general asking price is $200. For the night. This can very easily be negotiated down to $100 for the night. There must be a big downturn in trade at the moment. Most of these girls are students and stay until around 11:30 because the go to University at 12:00.

[Irish Lad]

Pizdets! Cruiser. Only once a year do I read something and think "fuck, why didn't I think of that?"

Awesome. Agree it's probably harder now, but I will try the tactic next month!

Indeed I could be having 2 or 3 "last nights")

As I also posted. It's a game changer."Scarcity" only creates demand. If they say "not on the 1st night", don't forget to say "1st night? It's your only night"

[TheKnight]

When readingn IL's post I can not help to think of Young Masha who has a bf and does not want my money. Why does she sit and wait for me on VK? Why does she go out of her way to see me? Sex is great but she is 19 and I could be her dad. Is she just an attention starved nerd, bored with her physics studies and her shitty cheap life? It puzzles me. She knows I am almost married. In any case she is really sweet and I can actually feel a light stir inside when I think of her silk soft, wet, warm, sweet smelling, tight teen vagina. This is the second girl I have met in UA that is not a p4p or semi pro girl. I can easily see how a man can get lost here forever. Lovely feminin creaturs. Like pinays with brains and bigger ass.

A coupe of weeks ago I had one of my female friends in Davao saying to me "wait, she is too tight for you since she is a virgin. Let me play with her clitoris and make her wet before you press it in". After I fucked her and filled her ultra tight young (just legal) pussy with cum, I concluded that she was not a virgin and she admitted that she had sex with a guy some months ago. It was still an extremely erotic experience to open this young, shy, tight girl while her big sisters best friend "helped" her to get wet and ready and to open her legs so I could access her small vagina. It took just seconds before she was dripping wet, with her tiny nipples erect. All three of is naked under the sheet, Barba slowly working t-rex ball deep in her little pussy, and her breathing heavily from lust.

Being a serial monger and sex addict I naturally want to bury my cock in a virgin or almost virgin in UA as well, but this seems to be light years away. Or at least years away. It takes time and devotion to build networks. Have two 19 year old girls that I will see (and have seen). Inexperienced but I am not the first, that is for sure. I will not ask anyone here to share contacts with such a girl, since I know it is a bigger chance to win the lottery. But maybe some juicy story? Am I the only one that likes to fuck inexperienced teens (as well as experienced f*ck artists)? I know some guys like to take what they think is moral high ground and full of pride state that they prefer someone that is 25 and well trained, but I always think that this is either because they can not get anyone younger or because the guy does not have knowledge or stamina to do the work. Maybe I am wrong but this is what I think always.

B.

Haha, BarbaP you know me. We are of similar mind and wicked intentions.

Legal and inexperienced is the goal. I thought I found such a girl (table of 3 shy stunners in some cheap restaurant last visit) but during a great evening, some touching, outrageous flirting, and exchange of numbers and vK details, I checked her profile when I was in the toilet and found she was 17, and one of her friends 16. Christ they really looked 19-20 as they said they were.

I made a swift exit fearing some tap on the shoulder and a blackmail situation or worse. I don't know whether to be thankful or not for vK, but next day I got a message from one of her friends who was there with us telling me I was "a sicko".