Manila

[Wicked Roger]

The night I arrived back in Bangers, I was treated to a slim 20 year old, a wet pussy, truly moaning as it got wetter, and full on french kisses. No singing, no fat ass, no big thighs, no drooping mouth. It was heavenly compared to the rubbish of Manila. It was. Well. Excellent. I guess if you are stuck in Manila you take what you can get. And the long-term expats know where to find the slim and sexy girls. For the rest (like me) when I visit I am just frustrated by the lack of quality. Even in Angeles. I guess that's what happens when the USA colonizes a place with shitty food and Mexican great grandparents DNA.

I think you said it yourself earlier when you said in the previous FR "maybe I just don't know where to look" Very true or you are wearing very dark sunglasses and can't see much.

Either way as others have pointed out earlier you are wrong in the generalization and should look closer. Or maybe you are just a chubby chaser and does not like the chubbies you chase in Manila?

[WestCoast1]

Out of ignorance, I want to ask, what's a Manila girl as opposed to a MBC girl. I know MBC is the name of the bar when I met p4p girls on my last visit. Is a Manila girl one you meet on DIA or FC?

Thanks.

IMP: I used the term 'manila girl' to refer to any gal in Manila. Girls in Manila generally go for more than girls elsewhere (the cost of living is considerably higher there than Cebu or the provinces). Overnight for 1000 (or nothing) is not unheard of, but its on the low end of the scale. I used that number for that reason. Overnight for FL is usually 2-5k. I was referring to the low price to ask the question: Is 1000 being cheapskate? The answer might be 'yes' from us, but 'no' from a girl. My question was, who defines 'cheap'?

[Slippery]

I also recall somebody mentioning barfining at MBC in the recent past but if my memory is correct, it was in the context of an inquiry. There's no such thing as a barfine at MBC. Its all between consenting parties.

[Red Kilt]

MBC girls are freelancers. Somebody recently referred to a barfine there; but if one exists it's a new development. The FLs at MBC expect an approximate market clearing price, which WC describes. The same women might go for less if picked up out of a mall, but the prices at MBC are elevated a little because the women talk to each other and put pressure on each other not to give in for lower prices. We do the same thing on this forum, but we're anonymous individuals who may not feel particularly pressured by online scolding from others we don't know. The girls, on the other hand, have to face each other in person, and some of these girls are tough as nails on each other. Think of it as a form of organized labor in a country where labor unions are virtually nonexistent.

That paragraph is beautifully phrased SK.

I especially highlighted one of the best couple of sentences I have read on ISG for a long time.

A paragraph of distinction.

[Soapy Smith]

Out of ignorance, I want to ask, what's a Manila girl as opposed to a MBC girl. I know MBC is the name of the bar when I met p4p girls on my last visit. Is a Manila girl one you meet on DIA or FC? Thanks.

I think WC was simply trying to suggest three contrasting scripts in terms of the financing that girls expect. The typical AC girl works in a barfine structure (or whatever they now call it.) The bar sets the amount, gives part of it to the girl, and the girls may like a tip in addition.

MBC girls are freelancers. Somebody recently referred to a barfine there; but if one exists it's a new development. The FLs at MBC expect an approximate market clearing price, which WC describes. The same women might go for less if picked up out of a mall, but the prices at MBC are elevated a little because the women talk to each other and put pressure on each other not to give in for lower prices. We do the same thing on this forum, but we're anonymous individuals who may not feel particularly pressured by online scolding from others we don't know. The girls, on the other hand, have to face each other in person, and some of these girls are tough as nails on each other. Think of it as a form of organized labor in a country where labor unions are virtually nonexistent.

By Manila girls I think he means the various other freelancers. Some are secured through online dating sites, others are procured by pimpettes for a few of our seasoned mongers who have managed to create procuring incentives for women they've been with previously. In general these girls do not have the community of other freelancers pressuring them to hold the prices up in an organized way. WC's point is that this category of girls generally goes a little cheaper.

There's of course another category of women who work in bars, clubs, and massage parlors with much higher house prices and girls' expectations for tips that roughly equal the house's price.

[Hellas]

1. Vast majority of Phi girls are poor. They are looking for a escape from their poverty. They sell their bodies for that.

2. Even non prostitutes are very willing to offer sex hoping that some knight in shining armor will rescue them.

3. It is well known in Phi foreigners pay for sex. So they flood the dating sites looking for relationship first and money a close second. Opening their legs are in the hope of first choice, if not the second one.

4. Unless the girl has been around the block she is hesitant to openly ask for money or gifts.

5. Parents, siblings look for the girl to support them irrespective of how they earn it. Unless the parents are strictly religious or fairly well off they do not mind their girl selling sex.

6. Even the girl is tuned to supporting her family once they get to legal age or before. Not all girls want to go to AC and work in bars. They will look for a decent job and struggle because small jobs hardly pay any good money...

You right!

[IM Punter]

A Manila girl spends the night with me and I give her p1000 in the morning (or, nothing). Compared with giving a MBC girl 2-3K for an evening, that's relatively inexpensive.

Out of ignorance, I want to ask, what's a Manila girl as opposed to a MBC girl. I know MBC is the name of the bar when I met p4p girls on my last visit. Is a Manila girl one you meet on DIA or FC?

Thanks.

[RonnieMonger]

The night I arrived back in Bangers, I was treated to a slim 20 year old, a wet pussy, truly moaning as it got wetter, and full on french kisses. No singing, no fat ass, no big thighs, no drooping mouth. It was heavenly compared to the rubbish of Manila. It was. Well. Excellent. I guess if you are stuck in Manila you take what you can get. And the long-term expats know where to find the slim and sexy girls. For the rest (like me) when I visit I am just frustrated by the lack of quality. Even in Angeles. I guess that's what happens when the USA colonizes a place with shitty food and Mexican great grandparents DNA.

[Sammon]

1. Vast majority of Phi girls are poor. They are looking for a escape from their poverty. They sell their bodies for that.

2. Even non prostitutes are very willing to offer sex hoping that some knight in shining armor will rescue them.

3. It is well known in Phi foreigners pay for sex. So they flood the dating sites looking for relationship first and money a close second. Opening their legs are in the hope of first choice, if not the second one.

4. Unless the girl has been around the block she is hesitant to openly ask for money or gifts.

5. Parents, siblings look for the girl to support them irrespective of how they earn it. Unless the parents are strictly religious or fairly well off they do not mind their girl selling sex.

6. Even the girl is tuned to supporting her family once they get to legal age or before. Not all girls want to go to AC and work in bars. They will look for a decent job and struggle because small jobs hardly pay any good money.

In such circumstances do we take advantage of them and not give any money?

We are not talking here about substantial amount. Some girls are happy with 500 pesos. Experienced or very pretty ones ask for more.

Some members have said they hardly give any money but the girls keep calling them and want to come over. Why? These girls are hoping that you will fall in love with them. If you are not serious give money or cut loose.

Yes, like anywhere else some girls get drunk and horny and will have sex without any compensation.

Yes, some girls feel like if they take money they will be like prostitutes. In such cases buy some gifts.

Yes, many foreigners will splurge at home, however once they reach Phi become cheapies. I am not talking about barfined girls. They already got their money whether you choose to give tip or not.

[CaliPro]

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Enough is enough.

Thanks!

[CaliPro]

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Enough is enough.

Thanks!

[FreebieFan]

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CP, most of what you call "hating" from others on the forum is not jealousy over your youthfulness, good looks, and game. It is distaste for your attitude toward poor Third World women, and in some cases disbelief at your arrogance. It is likely, as RK suggests, that you will soil your own bed when you try to pull a freebie on a poor WG. But you also spoil the apple barrel for all the rest of us, because you give all Western men a black eye in the minds of these Pinays.

In total concurrence. Saw this fella for what he was (and wasnt) a while back. Maturity is being able to both assess, and then laugh at those who feel they are Gods gift. Arrogance is nothing new for the youthful. Hes had (maybe) a couple of trips to Phils and some other places in his shiort life. Doesn't have two beans but is full of it, and is playing the "lets stiff the girl" game, and oh so proud of it.

Those of us who have been around a bit longer score just as many freebies, but often provide a gift, both because we know the game just a bit better than CP but also because maybe we follow a moral code or direction of sorts, whereby we know these gals have next to nothing in their lives and all they have is "pretty"for a few short years.

I wish him the benefit of maturity, and hope he can read some of these comments about him. The comments most certainly arent "hating", but behind every comment is a message for him, from numerous members here, who are much more experienced in life and in Manila than he is.

[CaliPro]

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Enough is enough.

Thanks!

[Fast Eddie 48]

Agreed. There are clubs around the Metro area where a young good looking Westerner might score an occasional Pinay freebie. It's probably also true with some women from the online dating sites. More power to you: score some hot young women who have economic alternatives in life. But the women at MBC and those hanging out around the second floor railing at the Harrison Mall are poor women who do p4p because they don't have any comparable alternatives for feeding themselves-and usually kids left to them by fathers who deserted them. Unless the rules have changed, waitresses at MBC are not allowed to date the customers. If you get them to cheat on those rules, you're endangering their meager livelihood. The waitresses are very poorly paid and work long days without much time off.

CP, most of what you call "hating" from others on the forum is not jealousy over your youthfulness, good looks, and game. It is distaste for your attitude toward poor Third World women, and in some cases disbelief at your arrogance. It is likely, as RK suggests, that you will soil your own bed when you try to pull a freebie on a poor WG. But you also spoil the apple barrel for all the rest of us, because you give all Western men a black eye in the minds of these Pinays.

To Skip post.

Totally agree that navie boy just don't get it if he can get laid back home in the US why he need to travel to all the poor third country to take advantage all the poor girl, he just don't want to listen to advice form any ISG member.

Fast Eddie 48

[WestCoast1]

SNIP In all these meetings no money changed hands. No gift was given. This slice of life happens all the time, the only difference being on weekdays when I typically just meet 2 girls a day.

Am I treating them like dirt? By your narrow view I guess I am. But the view of the girl is the one I only care about, and they keep coming back. I take that to mean they are quite happy with the arrangement.

I'm very direct what I'm looking for. From time to time I am messaged by p4p girls, offers which I decline. The vast majority of messages I receive are from girls who claim to be simple and aren't for fun. But they are.

Concur.

Do not be a cheapskate and treat them like dirt!

I think those two things are (or can be) distinctly different things. One can give the girls little, or even no money, and still treat them well (ala Hut). I've known gents like this. They don't care a whit to chat an AC bargirl to see if she likes him enough to go his hotel with him. But he has the gift of banter (more than me) , and after they leave the bar he will take her for a bite to eat and maybe a drink somewhere to watch a stage show, and then to breakfast in the morning. There is little or no tip in the morning. Is that cheap? Maybe. Maybe not. The girls seem to like those guys. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and kuripot is in the eye of the girl (not us).

Similar case outside of AC. A Manila girl spends the night with me and I give her p1000 in the morning (or, nothing). Compared with giving a MBC girl 2-3K for an evening, that's relatively inexpensive. We did not go out for drinks or dinner or anything. Is that cheapskate? Maybe. She comes over again a few nights later and gets the same thing. Cheapskate? On my next visit she comes to me twice again for the same amount. In fact, we never mention money anymore. Sometimes we go for food and / or drinks, other times we don't. Is that cheapskate? The girl seems happy with the thing, and leaves messages on YM often about looking forward to future dates. We've been doing this for 3 years. If it was cheapskate on the first morning, is it still cheapskate?

While many girls get something from me (and expect it up front) , not all po' girls are so interested in it. Some want the other items that go with sleeping with a foreigner: his company, time spent with him, the possiblity of a baby from him, being seen with him, his aircon room with a real bed, sex. I'm sure there are other reasons that have little to do with money.

Its possible that even CaliPro can do what he says.

Some say they are not prostitutes and do not expect money. Of course I have yet to find any girl all over the world who refused gifts.

I have. Several times in phils alone. And its painful when it happens. A cebuana DIA contact a few years ago hit on my 'sex-only' profile. A real looker that said she was fine with drinks and sex. Simple girl with a waitress job from a poor family. She had asked if I could bring some chocolate. We met outside Juliana's. I paid the entrance and for the first round of san migs. While enjoying the scene, one of her friends and the friend's bf came along and the three of them hit the elevated dance floor. There was another round of san migs and it turned out the bf paid for two, and my date paid for two while I was in the CR. We left after that and had a good night in the hotel. In the morning while she showered, I folded ten p100 notes and put them into her purse along with a chocolate bar, and was going to take her out for breakfast. As were walking down the hallway to the stairwell, she was behind me and I heard her say: "What's this?" I turned to her and she had the money and chocolate in her left hand."Do you think I'm puta?" She threw all of it high into the air and walked right by me, glaring at me. Sh*t. I tried to run after her and placate her. Instead of taxiing for breakfast, she ignored me and waited on the street and got into a jeep and left without speaking to me. Westy = Mister Smooooooooth.

Sammon, I'll PM you with something shortly.