Kyiv

[Ganesha]

Girls from EU countries (hungary, bulgaria, romania) can work without any problem.

They already flooded the market...

Even more ladies can work abroad and take residence in the EU. Many Moldavian people hold Romanian passports, due to common heritage. Plus Slovenia and the Baltic states.

You find plenty Ukrainian girls, who wish to travel abroad - 'Travelgirls' is loaded with them.

Therefore this point goes to Misterxxx: Travel or Work are different issues.

[Jojosun]

Hello Misterxxx.

I did not mention working at an FKK or a club in my report, however you do bring up a valid point. If the girls leave Kiev, they would most likely be working as independents, for big dollars. Fortunately, the girls I chatted with on Mamba would rather stay and live in Kiev. All is not lost.

FiddyCent.

You are correct. You didn't mention working at an FKK club in your report. It was me who said " it must be good news for FKK clubs ". Visa free for Ukraine will the first step for Ukraine to join The EU and for its citizens getting work visas.

Hello TexasMorrell.

That would allow girls a free pass to work anywhere in Western Europe for BIG dollars

FiddyCent.

However, EU Visa Free for UA citizens doesn't allow them entry to the UK as the UK is not a Schengen.

Member state.

[FiddyCent]

A work visa and visa free travel are two different things.

Visa free travel doesn't mean that the girls can work in Fkk Clubs.

It will be a high risk for every Club owner to employ such a girl. Because it will be illegal.

Girls from EU countries (hungary, bulgaria, romania) can work without any problem.

They already flooded the market.

The only possibility for girls from the Ukraine will be the escort-business.

Hello Misterxxx.

I did not mention working at an FKK or a club in my report, however you do bring up a valid point. If the girls leave Kiev, they would most likely be working as independents, for big dollars. Fortunately, the girls I chatted with on Mamba would rather stay and live in Kiev. All is not lost.

FiddyCent.

[Misterxxx]

Hello TexasMorrell.

That would allow girls a free pass to work anywhere in Western Europe for BIG dollars. Why earn less money at home, when you can get a work visa elsewhere? However, I chatted with a lot of girls from Mamba. Many of them do not want to leave Kiev. That's the only good side to this story.

FiddyCent.

A work visa and visa free travel are two different things.

Visa free travel doesn't mean that the girls can work in Fkk Clubs.

It will be a high risk for every Club owner to employ such a girl. Because it will be illegal.

Girls from EU countries (hungary, bulgaria, romania) can work without any problem.

They already flooded the market.

The only possibility for girls from the Ukraine will be the escort-business.

[FiddyCent]

Why is that the end of Kiev?

Hello TexasMorrell.

That would allow girls a free pass to work anywhere in Western Europe for BIG dollars. Why earn less money at home, when you can get a work visa elsewhere? However, I chatted with a lot of girls from Mamba. Many of them do not want to leave Kiev. That's the only good side to this story.

FiddyCent.

[TexasMorrell]

Interesting. That would be the end of Kiev.

Why is that the end of Kiev?

[Jojosun]

Bad news. /.

EU Ambassador to Ukraine Jan Tombinski: Ukraine could switch to a visa-free regime with the EU by the end of this year.

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukra...ar-351565.html

Moldova one of the poorest countries in Europe got Visa free regime as from 28 April 2014. " Moldovan citizens will no longer require visas to travel to the European Union beginning on Monday, as the bloc presses ahead with deeper ties with east European nations.

"http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...A3Q0AS20140427.

No surprise there with Ukraine.

Good news for FKK clubs.

[Leggio1]

Bad news. /.

EU Ambassador to Ukraine Jan Tombinski: Ukraine could switch to a visa-free regime with the EU by the end of this year.

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukra...ar-351565.html

Interesting. That would be the end of Kiev.

[YellowPaul]

How did you arrange for them to have a Schengen visa?

The Kiev girl already had one. She told me something interesting that businesses buy extra visa's and then resell them. Something along those lines. Ticket from Kiev to Barcelona was $300.

The 21 year from Moscow that I'm meeting in Istanbul could not get a visa in time so I changed the destination, otherwise I would have stayed put in Spain.

[Muddy7]

Bad news. /.

EU Ambassador to Ukraine Jan Tombinski: Ukraine could switch to a visa-free regime with the EU by the end of this year.

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukra...ar-351565.html

[Epicurus]

They need a schengen visa.

I'm meeting 2 girls in Barcelona for 4 days each in July. One is a 26 year old blonde from Kiev and the other is a 21 year old brunette from Moscow.

How did you arrange for them to have a Schengen visa?

[Epicurus]

Are you sure this was the reason, or did they do this, because too many girls complained? Cause I do this too regularly (albeit with VIP account, but I think you must have a VIP account too, or else you cannot write that many girls in one session.) and I do not get blocked.

Please be aware that Mamba has installed a new software that monitors your activity and it seem very sensitive.

I copy and pasted the same standard message to about 12 different girls (nothing rude or commercial. Just a friendly intro) and it blocked my account.

This has happened to one other guy as well so beware! Need to change old habits and work a bit harder for little gain.

Why the F* was I even on Mamba in the first place?

I think its the mixed messages of success / failures.

The optimist in you always makes you think you are in with a chance. No prospects without prospecting where-ever you can.

Anyone had success on getting account unblocked on Mamba?

[Epicurus]

And unfortunately, I think 90% of the girls who have actually truthful photos aren't the kind of girls you would care to spend money on.

I've been to apartments with the 300 grivna range girls, everytime I think why not, let's give it a shot and everytime I get dissapointed by the quality and the seediness of it all. Pitchblack hallways and stuffy dark rooms. At one incident I was acting so nice and polite that a girl jokingly locked the door and told me to stay and could only leave after I picked one of them. Fortunately one of them saw that I was a bit turned off and panicky because of that action that she quickly opened the door. Anyway, it seems that at around 19:00 most of the (popular) girls show up for work, this seems to be the case not only for the 300 grivna girls, but also the other salons/apartments with the 600,800, 1000 and 1200 girls. And if you don't like the atmosphere of the salons / apartment, you can take them to your apartments, usually with no extra charge, except for the cab fare back.

CS, what you see is not always what you will get. Top Models is the most reliable and even that is stretching the truth by a long ways. Fact is that you have to use your inner sense of fraud and fake to decide on who you want to see and if you actually believe that this is a "real" photo. In only about, my guess, one third of the so-called "real" photos are actually truthful. You can mostly tell. The rest are either all fake or "similar likenesses" which is what the girl will tell you when you complain to her in person.

Prices are another matter. The high priced spread usually are all-inclusive and with anal, for the most part. They really are not worth it, though. They think far too highly of themselves and are no better than their lower-priced competitors. In fact, most of the high-end ladies are more mechanical and want to get your money and get you out fast. BTW, you will have to negotiate services in full with them BEFORE you begin any session. Otherwise you are certain to be disappointed if you leave out a certain need and may be charged extra if you want it.

The 300 grivna range are mostly for locals. Out of town girls with no English who need to make some money in almost all such cases so you will have to fend for yourself in terms of communication, which can be a tough thing under intimate circumstances. Where there is communication, extras will always cost extra.

The same almost applies in the 800 grivna range with a bit more English and the same "extra costs" for extra services such as anal and BBBJ. It really comes down to who strikes your fancy and if you can then communicate.

Most will come to your place for out call and they may also send several girls at a time but they will not be the ones in the photo, for the most part. Buyer beware.

[Epicurus]

Same here, when I am in Kiev I don't do thrift. No Wizz Air, but prices flying from Amsterdam ain't that bad. Plus Schiphol is only about 30 minutes away from where I live. Ambrazura is about 30 minutes drive from the center with no traffic jams. And cab fares in Kiev are ridiculous, with what I pay in Holland for one taxi ride I can fund almost like a week's worth in Kiev. I don't think that trying out Ambrazura is such a big risk, while I am typing this I also feel a bit doubt whether I should post this, cause perhaps it is better if Ambrazura won't become that popular with foreign tourists.

How much do you pay for a good (english speaking?) taxi driver? What is the minimum amount of hours / days? I speak passable Russian, problem is that as soon as you speak somewhat understandable Russian, you open a floodgate and they assume that you can understand whatever they say to you.

YKB,

Of course we are all different in our mongering habits. When I am in London, flying to Kiev or anywhere in the Ukraine is no big deal at all. I am a cheap skate when it comes to flying and there is always WizzAir & few hour later, Visa Free & I've landed. But I never fly to Kiev to visit Hookers in their in call apartments, aka Salons. As you most probably know there is no shortage of Brothels, Girls of all colors & shapes with a variety of prices in London. . Even in Houston where I live & work for few months in the year there is a very good variety of girls and the prices are not that bad either.

Having had a look at the site for Ambrazura &having read the reviews here on the place, I don't know of any Brothel in London or Houston that offers such a setting. From the photos it shows a garden, swimming pool, sauna ,24/7 service even outcall, a good line up pf girls. I suppose a trip to the place is like a Sex Picnic in the Kiev country side. I usually keep a driver on standby in Kiev anyway. I find Taxis are so cheap in Kiev I usually pay them by the hour. A good Taxi Driver can act as my guide, interpreter, friend in need.

Unlike flying to Kiev I don't do thrift when it comes to getting around Kiev as I am only there for few days at a time anyway.

I am also so intrigued by the services at Ambrazura. The translation of them reads.

Does anyone know of any Bordello which offers " The siege of the loopholes in the Rear or Storming the loopholes on the rising edge for 1000 UAH ".

[Suka Shalava]

I hired a giri from a modeling agency to show me around town. I ended up sleeping with the girl after paying the agency "introduction fee".

The hourly rate that modeling agencies charge magazine or fashion photographers for photo-models to do photo shoots, or the hourly rate that modeling agencies charge companies for models to stand around at promotional events, is not something that 99% of mongers are going to pay, because it is probably not in any way comparable to "gifts" or financial support expected by dyevs that will sleep with foreigners.

You didn't actually specify if you hired a model, or just a female person that works for a modeling agency that was not a model, to be a tourist guide to the city?

So what did you mean?

Can anyone simply call a modeling agency to hire a photo-model to be a tourist guide to the city, by paying an "introduction fee" to the agency, and expect the model to sleep with you as a freebie?