Medellin Reports

[Bart1]

Boys we were doing real good for a while now, but on track for another debate where no one will ever get the other side to change their way of thinking.

Myself I have not done a trip in a while, but lets get back to the meat, and potatoes of good intel from serious Mongers.

Here are 2 serious subjects!

[ShooBree]

They don't? Bullshit they don't. I have been in many a "poor" Colombian household and have yet to see anyone starving. In most they eat three times / day. Just because they don't have an air conditioner, a BMW, or any of the other luxuries that you have in your 5 bedroom 4 bath home, does not mean they can't make ends meet or are unable to support a family. Bill Gates and Puff Daddy are probably saying the same things about the majority of us in this group as y'all are saying about the Colombianos.

Jeff knows his shit. You can't miss what you never had. And remember, there are still natives running around the jungles of Colombia and Brazil that have been raising families just fine for hundreds of years. Just because it's not done how you are used to it being done does not mean it can't be and isn't being done or is very difficult to do. Hookers are the same the world around. Lazy biotches. If everybody else can get a regular job, then guess what... Oh I still love them and am glad they are the lazy broads that they are, but that hooker sympathy shit is for suckers.

I do have a little sympathy, why? Because that's the kind of person I am and more importantly its cheap. In fact its free.

I respect them just like I respect other persons making a honest living. They are not doing anything wrong, illegal or harming anyone else. If I were to put myself above them it would reflect badly on me since I am a customer. Some people might say that they are young girls being corrupted by fat gringos. I haven't worked a day in my life for less then 18 dollars an hour so why would I be surprised that people don't feel like working for 90 cents an hour.

Regarding the people you have met, you really think that you are the first gringo stepping his foot into their house? Maybe you are, I don't know them. Just out of curiosity, how do you know that they are actually poor compared to the Colombian standard / definition?

http://colombiareports.co/colombias-...increase-2014/

"The agreement affects 54% of Colombians who earn the minimum wage or less. However, a total of 3. 4 million workers do not earn even one half of the minimum wage. ".

And the minimum salary is approx. 270 usd a month.

Regarding not being able to get by;.

"Despite its middle-income country status, 23 million Colombians are poor and 6 million live below the extreme poverty line. "

"below the extreme poverty line" = less then 1,25 usd / day.

http://www.wfp.org/countries/colombia

[ShooBree]

Yep, getting a decent job is all luck. Education, training, skill sets, intelligence, ambition, and initiative don't have anything to do with it. Most hookers have all of those things in abundance.

Not exactly what I meant. My point was that among people with the same level of education there are still significant differences in income and in too many cases it is because of nepotism, connections and not things one would put on the resume.

For instance, in my country neither the current prime minister or the secretary of state went to college / university.

[Nino Bravo]

Thanks. Good info.

Sounds like the girls are hotter, but would you say the service is comparable or better than at Fase II?

I've never been to Fase II, although I've heard from some Colombian men that overall La Isla is better. I love La Isla because its a very large and roomy club, patrons aren't on top of one another. The restroom is very spacious and immaculately clean. My waiter was on top of things the times I was there, and always delivered drinks rapidly. I can't imagine any other club having better service.

[John Gault]

Boys we were doing real good for a while now, but on track for another debate where no one will ever get the other side to change their way of thinking.

Myself I have not done a trip in a while, but lets get back to the meat, and potatoes of good intel from serious Mongers.

[Dickhead]

Some people get lucky and get a decent paying job

Yep, getting a decent job is all luck. Education, training, skill sets, intelligence, ambition, and initiative don't have anything to do with it. Most hookers have all of those things in abundance.

[Vegas Jeff]

They don't? Bullshit they don't. I have been in many a "poor" Colombian household and have yet to see anyone starving. In most they eat three times / day. Just because they don't have an air conditioner, a BMW, or any of the other luxuries that you have in your 5 bedroom 4 bath home, does not mean they can't make ends meet or are unable to support a family. Bill Gates and Puff Daddy are probably saying the same things about the majority of us in this group as y'all are saying about the Colombianos.

Jeff knows his shit. You can't miss what you never had. And remember, there are still natives running around the jungles of Colombia and Brazil that have been raising families just fine for hundreds of years. Just because it's not done how you are used to it being done does not mean it can't be and isn't being done or is very difficult to do. Hookers are the same the world around. Lazy biotches. If everybody else can get a regular job, then guess what. Oh I still love them and am glad they are the lazy broads that they are, but that hooker sympathy shit is for suckers.

Amen brother.

[Mr Enternational]

Many answers to one question.

One is simply that they don't. Another is that even people within one country comes from different backgrounds and therefore got different opportunities.

It depends on luck, kids, the man and so on. Some people get lucky and get a decent paying job, some are being left alone with a kid others keep together, some aren't stupid enough to get a kid as a teen, depends on the support and wealth of the parents.

1. You don't get to judge the people you get in bed with / make business with.

2. You do not get to pass judgement over people who's shoes you haven't walked a mile in.

3. No one likes a hypocrite.

They don't? Bullshit they don't. I have been in many a "poor" Colombian household and have yet to see anyone starving. In most they eat three times / day. Just because they don't have an air conditioner, a BMW, or any of the other luxuries that you have in your 5 bedroom 4 bath home, does not mean they can't make ends meet or are unable to support a family. Bill Gates and Puff Daddy are probably saying the same things about the majority of us in this group as y'all are saying about the Colombianos.

Jeff knows his shit. You can't miss what you never had. And remember, there are still natives running around the jungles of Colombia and Brazil that have been raising families just fine for hundreds of years. Just because it's not done how you are used to it being done does not mean it can't be and isn't being done or is very difficult to do. Hookers are the same the world around. Lazy biotches. If everybody else can get a regular job, then guess what... Oh I still love them and am glad they are the lazy broads that they are, but that hooker sympathy shit is for suckers.

[Member #4396]

The times I went I just bought a half bottle of aguardiente, so no problem there. I was pretty generous with buying girls single drinks though. My waiter was cool as hell, so were the security guys. They treated me like a rock star. And gave me VIP treatment every time I went. Tipping these guys helps alot. The girls were cool, although some were hustling a little bit too much. When that happened I just had one of the security guys give them the boot from my table. Spent a fortune, but that's how I am and had a grand time.

Thanks. Good info.

Sounds like the girls are hotter, but would you say the service is comparable or better than at Fase II?

[ShooBree]

So how does everyone else in the country who aren't hookers live and support a family?

Many answers to one question.

One is simply that they don't. Another is that even people within one country comes from different backgrounds and therefore got different opportunities.

It depends on luck, kids, the man and so on. Some people get lucky and get a decent paying job, some are being left alone with a kid others keep together, some aren't stupid enough to get a kid as a teen, depends on the support and wealth of the parents.

1. You don't get to judge the people you get in bed with / make business with.

2. You do not get to pass judgement over people who's shoes you haven't walked a mile in.

3. No one likes a hypocrite.

[Vegas Jeff]

This is Colombia not the usa or another G-8 country, for example I have a chica amiga who works a 12 hour shift in a el centro panaderia for 30 k a day. She is 22 years old with a 6 year old daughter. In Canada my home country she could sit on her ass at home and collect $1200 cad a month. I met her a year ago working in an el centro strip club, but she quit dancing for the far less money in a panaderia 6 months ago. You do not seem to understand working a 12 hour shift for $15,usd and supporting a family. She texted me last week "come back soon I need an ORGASM" her capital letters. I am 60+, she appreciates the donations I give her and the 70 k jeans I buy for her. The old saying "do not be critical until you have walked a few miles in her shoes" sure applies here when gringos start passing their judgement on Colombianas. Only 7 more days until I return to paisalandia. God I love Colombia.

She doesn't need your orgasm. She needs your money. Jajaja.

If I am being so critical of these hookers, why do they view me as someone who cares when I call them out for being one, instead of doing something different? You are defending these girls more then they defend themselves. This is because you feel sorry for them and it is clouding your judgement. This girl you are talking about has never lived in Canada so this has nothing to do with anything. Every person in the world looks one level up from where they are and this girl is no different. If she is dirt poor, she wants one level above dirt poor. People in Africa want shoes, then a bike, then a bike with a motor. On that note, guys, if the girls you are with are comfortable in El Poblado, look out!

You say that she is earning $15/ day. This is almost enough to make her independent, assuming she works full time. If she has any friends or family, she can get by. Your donations alone are enough to fill the shortfall for sure. But you and I both know that your contributions are not enough as there are others paying her for sex currently. And she will take as many P4P situations as she can get, as long as these interactions are up to certain standard. And this is what makes her different than a "normal" girl in that many girls will not accept this regularly.

I am not judging these hookers. I am just identifying them by their colors. And this is what is wrong with the world today. Marketing department budgets have exploded over the past 30 years. Corporations have figured out that people will buy junk as long as it is in a shiny package. I say buy the quality product in the normal box.

Let's not talk about the US or Africa. In Medellin, a girl who grows up with honor and a work ethic does not need to be a hooker. And guess what, even if she has screwed both of these areas up, she will be given multiple chances again and again throughout her life. Most of these hookers have blown the opportunities that have been given to them and will continue to blow more in the future.

I am sorry if all of this critical thinking seems philosophical and hurts your sex drive. I am not sitting on the porch looking up into the heavens and asking "why". I am reasoning and describing the "what". It is nice to see things clearly as this leads toward confidence, not away from it.

I am not trying to rescue these girls. I sleep good a night knowing that I gave them an opportunity to help themselves in some way. How they spend that money is on them not me.

[El Bacano]

The board is going good with awesome Intel. Alot of philosophy too. Sometimes rather than trying to fully analyze. I recommend just enjoy it.

[Mr Enternational]

So how does everyone else in the country who aren't hookers live and support a family?

[Bart1]

At some point I might just want to stop having sex with other girls. I don't know. I am still motivated to have a few amiguitas for sure. My girlfriend has never put pressure on me to stop having sex with other girls but I have slowed and slowed.

How have I avoided falling for these hookers? Because I value my self esteem. I am not a child. I am a grown man and I have responsibilities to myself, first and foremost. I can't play games in such an important aspect of my life, pretending with a fantasy. One has to take a look into the future and then ask if the situation has a real possibility of working.

These hookers are not great chicks. They are making bad decisions or have made bad decisions in the past which has put them in this position. There might have been some things out of their control that worked against them and I respect this to some extent. Being a hooker is filled with bad influence and habits. Going to a regular job has so many good things built into it that a women can gain esteem from. If they can improve their skills and become independent, everything is better. And I am not talking about hooker skills.

I get respect from the hookers. I have barrio blood. These hookers have a healthy fear of me. My girlfriend as well. I am the good shepherd. I lift the esteem of the Colombians I interact with, always. I don't encourage these hookers to be better at their jobs or finding more clients. I give them shit for being hookers. I am good at standing on the line between respect and disrespect, without crossing it, with Colombians. The smarter they are, the more shit I give them. The polished pros are beyond reachable so I have no interest in them. All of these girls know that they shouldn't be hookers and by one calling them on it, respect is gained. Hookers are human beings and should be respected in this way IMO. Maybe I have a unique personality and some guys would be uncomfortable with this but this is my stance. For the hookers that have no chance in the real world I encourage them to find better steady dates.

Most guys are dealing with polished pros and these hookers know how to push all the right buttons with the suckers. It is so much better with the unjaded barrio girls. These girls are amazing in bed. This is the difference between observing a lion at a zoo or a lion in Africa. These girls give the right distance and the best sex IMO. I will take the freaky hot barrio hookers over the hot professionals, with their polished hooker qualities, any day. Actually, I will take the average barrio girls over the hot, jaded pros. To each their own. The big negative with the barrio girls is that it can be difficult organizing meeting up. These girls are so disorganized and lazy. How freaking hard is it to stand up, put some clothes on, and get a taxi?

I have been extremely organized in my dealings with these hookers so my girlfriend doesn't see much. Latin women only know what they see as they have been fed bullshit their whole life by these selfish local men. I could be fucking 10 chicks and if my phone doesn't ring I am good. On the other hand if my phone is buzzing all of the time my girlfriend is going to get pissed. I leave my phone out in the open and my girlfriend is welcome to use it if she wants, even though she has her own. I disguise the names of girls so she doesn't know the name of the incoming text. Stephanie could be Steven for example.

I have never been tempted to be in a relationship with any of these hookers. Honestly, my biggest strength is that I haven't valued the companionship of women. For you guys who enjoy the companionship, your job with the distance becomes tougher. I like to hang with them for a little and send them packing. My girlfriend has been different as I enjoy her company. It is so easy being around her because we have good chemistry. I have changed in that I enjoy the company of women a little more as I have gotten older.

When meeting women in the Third World, they have to be sized up as potential hookers or girlfriends. Girlfriends can't be hookers and hookers can't be girlfriends. I meet Paisas who can only be girlfriends often. I don't have space for that, they can't be my hookers, so they are forced to be acquaintances or friends. Hookers can be friends also. These are just my opinions and my personal stance on things.

I have certain things that I keep personal with my girlfriend. For instance, I lay in bed in the spooning position with my girlfriend. Her back is against my chest. I tell her that I am recharging my battery. I won't lay in this position with the hookers. Although the sex is hot with the hookers, the affection given is only to a point. Also taking my girlfriend out into the city is personal to her and I don't do this with the hookers.

The computer has made things so much worse in Medellin IMO. It is our job as men to get sex and not spend too much time in getting it. Women know that if they can get attention and / or money and they don't have to give too much sex they are in a position of strength. Guys are talking with these hookers all day through the internet, some sending money. You tell me who is getting the better of this situation. I do not want to talk with the hookers much when I am not with them.

What is happening in many situations is that guys are spending time exclusively around hookers. Their favorites become girlfriend targets. These guys are unable to be around normal girls. If these guys were ever able to step back and take a good look at things they would say "wtf am I doing". IMO this is a loss of esteem. Some of these situations work out but not many. I have friends in Medellin, that I love like brothers, who are emotionally involved with these hookers. These guys are, at least, being somewhat honest with themselves about the situation. They aren't pussies and know what is going on. They have serious doubts deep inside. They just take it one day at a time knowing they are probably going to be heartbroken in the end.

I have met older guys 60+ who can be with young hookers and see the difference in the relationships in comparison to when they were younger. These guys have certain understandings with these hookers and they can trust them on some level. These hookers can be caretakers and / or will call their families in The States and help them during difficult times. The most important thing is that one is honest with themselves.

IMO some of you guys are getting too serious with your dates. You have a choice. You can treat your dates like women or you can treat them like children. Treat them like women and you will get serious. Treat them like children and you will get fun. I entertain hookers with my computer. Say she likes J Alvarez. I play a 30 minute plus mix of J Alvarez. If she likes video games, great. Say her favorite animal is a dolphin. I play youtube videos of Dolphins. Be serious when it comes to important structural things and playful the rest of the time. A little entertainment, hanging, and sex and then on their way the hookers go.

Guys, good luck will all of your situations with these girls.

VJ

This is Colombia not the usa or another G-8 country, for example I have a chica amiga who works a 12 hour shift in a el centro panaderia for 30 k a day. She is 22 years old with a 6 year old daughter. In Canada my home country she could sit on her ass at home and collect $1200 cad a month. I met her a year ago working in an el centro strip club, but she quit dancing for the far less money in a panaderia 6 months ago. You do not seem to understand working a 12 hour shift for $15,usd and supporting a family. She texted me last week "come back soon I need an ORGASM" her capital letters. I am 60+, she appreciates the donations I give her and the 70 k jeans I buy for her. The old saying "do not be critical until you have walked a few miles in her shoes" sure applies here when gringos start passing their judgement on Colombianas. Only 7 more days until I return to paisalandia. God I love Colombia.

[Ricker]

Guys, good luck will all of your situations with these girls.

VJ

Once again, great read VJ!

I feel the same as you, though I think you caught on quicker than I did, LOL.

I got burned a few times, but I did learn from it, so I'm not a total idiota.

Take care amigo.