FKK Artemis - Berlin

[Eric Cartman]

Thanks Frosty, Herman, and Payforit -- good advice.

Hit up Artemis tonight after an amusing side-stop at http://www.erlebniswohnung.com/ which previously had been described on the Berlin board (or this board) as being the bets flat-rate "gang bang" club in Germany for covered activities. Having never seen such a thing, I and my wingman went to take a look. Let's just say the ratio of 14 guys to 1 girl in a darkened room wasn't to my taste. The guys sure seemed to like it though. At a shift change, one large Chinese-looking gentleman dove right into the new girl's nether parts with his tongue while 3-4 other dudes prodded her in various places. Guess he wanted her fresh LOL. I now know I don't at all find the concept of a "gang bang" club erotic, yay me.

Arrived Artemis around 9 pm. My wingman's girl Cristina was there but he was eager to try other horizons. Gina not in sight. Wingman grabbed a slim brunette who turned out to be Brianna from Spain (Valencia) who previously had received good marks on this board. He said the service was so-so, beyond her kissing.

I decided to bite the bullet and see a plastic'ed-up blonde I'd noticed the night before. Her name is Brigita from Hungary. She's 31 but doesn't look it. Appears to have had some sort of plastic surgery on her face, perhaps nose and lips, and has nice big bolt-on tits. She has a huge tramp stamp tattoo, a full sleeve tattoo on one arm, and a big skull tattoo on her stomach. Trashy blonde, short blonde hair. Sparkly pink lipstick. She reminds me of a blonde Mason Moore (former porn star). She said she kissed, and would do deep throat. The reality was about 50% of that -- in terms of very light peck on lip kisses and medium-throat LOL. But boy she looked good doing it. I had to finish myself off the first time, as she didn't seem that into it and it affected the Little Admiral. Later, after trying unsucessfully to find another partner, I returned to her for Round 2 and it was better. Still not great, but better. She complained about being tired in Cowgirl, but when I told her it would make me come, she dutifully soldiered on.

My biggest fear when I was looking for a 2nd partner was getting "sharked" -- so many of the girls look like they just want the 60 euros and to be done with you in 10 minutes. And as discussed below, it's really hard to tell who isn't like that. I had to turn down a bunch of girls too. I finally just started talking in Portuguese to the ones that I didn't like, when they approached me. That messes with them LOL. It's not Spanish, people!

Anyway, some good advice below. Thankfully we are heading to the area near Living Room and Samya for a few days -- so I will have that point of comparison as well and take it to the appropriate boards.

In closing I agree with the comments below that Artemis really doesn't have, in general, GFE levels of service. For a Brazilian, this is a big deal. It's not a bad club -- in fact the facilities are pretty darn nice -- and there can be some gems (like Gina, Cristina), but for a quick visit, it's tough to find the right chicks. (My wingman ended up lucking out with some Jordanian girl, lucky bastard).

Thanks for the tips. Off to Living Room / Samya for more from the front lines.

-Cartman.

[Frozty]

If some of the more regular guys at Artemis can add any tips to picking out the great performers it would benefit us all.

I'm not really one for chatting with other punters about the girls, although I can see the merits. The only thing that has worked for me is experience and attitude. I have learnt how to make it look like I know the scene. Fewer girls try and take advantage. It probably helps that more and more girls start to recognise me. Most girls are capable of good service if you build some sort of chemistry and accept their limitations (eg those who don't kiss).

This doesn't require that you know the club. It helps if you know FKK, but confident bluffing does the job.

I get better service levels at one or two other clubs (particularly since the retirement of my FKK wife!) but I would still make Artemis my favourite club.

[Frozty]

Cheers guys!

I have an option go to Artemis either on Wednesday or Friday.

Just need an opinion from regulars is Dessous Tag worth it to go, because last time when I was there to see totally naked ladies was a big bonus. What is your impression or recommendation.

Thanks!

Friday. The lineup will be significantly better. The only downside is that there will also be more men. I was disappointed with dessous tag; the proportion of 'heavy' girls seemed much higher. One caveat is that my last dessous visit was probably 12 months ago.

[PayForIt]

Back to the main lounge and it was *really* hard to try to find a next target. There are a lot of blondes walking around, in addition to the regular dark-haired romanians, but it's really hard to tell who is any good just by watching. Also some were so "fierce" in their bottle blonde look and fake boobs that I have to think they would be terrible in the room. A lot of the girls just have terrible non-friendly body language. There were a couple of blondes who I liked physically but I was afraid the session would be sharky and terrible.I still find it much more difficult to make a connection with the girls than with garotas in Brazil. But hey when in Germany.
Any other suggestions on how to sort out the better performers from the weak ones, especially when you don't know their names, gratefully appreciated.
Cartman

This is an interesting question and one which I do wonder if the more frequent mongers have an answer to. But I rather doubt it and I read the german FKK forums quite a lot. Part of your problem was the venue. I actually like Artemis as a Club, and I love Berlin as a city but I'm afraid the service levels there, or rather the attitude of the girls before the room, can be very difficult. There is a good reason for this: a complete lack of competition from any other FKK club in Berlin. I have tried the FKK clubs in Hessen and NRW and I think the girls are far more friendly, want to tell you more about what is on offer instead of the immediate "take me to the room" attitude in Artemis. This is because in Dusseldorf / Cologne and Frankfurt there is a choice of clubs for men to frequent. So if they want your business they need to try a little harder for it. In Artemis they have a captive audience and they know it. This is tarring too many girls with one brush. Some are lovely. Like the lovely Gina you sessioned with. I've not roomed with her as she isn't my type to look at but I've spent time talking to her and she is a really nice girl. Others at Artemis are not so friendly. A plump blonde there in February was horribly rude to me when I rejected her for a 3 time (get the message please). I stupidly said "maybe later" to get her to leave me alone. What a foolish error. When I later said no again she started shouting. Very loudly "liar, liar liar". A lot of girls were looking at me wondering what I'd said or done and I wondered if I'd get another session from anyone. Happily some of them know her too well and it was ok. But a good example of the attitude.

I had a 30 min session with another girl (romanian) on that occasion. I told her twice I wasn't interested in CIM or anal extras. When I asked her if she wanted to extend to an hour she told me this was ok only if I did the extras! End of session! I'm back in Artemis in a few weeks. Hoping the attitude improves, but I doubt it. It will only change when the long promised new FKK club ever opens and there is competition.

However this still doesn't really answer your question about spotting the good performers. The only tip I could pass on. Which I got from one of these forums and has worked very well for me. Is to position yourself somewhere outside of the rooms / stairs so you can see the chemistry / reaction of guys coming out of the rooms. If they are coming out looking so-so, neither pleased nor disappointed, I tend to think the session was mechanical and the girl might not be great. If a guy comes out all smiles and they are having banter. I look more carefully at the girl to see if she too is in good spirits and that is a sign that maybe it was good for both and she is worth trying. All that said. There is a phrase on here YMMV. Your mileage may vary. It's true. One man's poison is another man's petal. Also, with the euro in the dire state it is, 50 or 60 (in artemis) for 30 minutes or double for an hour is not actually much of a risk. If I very much fancy the girl I'm going to go there to find out! Final tip of course is simply to ask a guy you've seen previously be with a girl. Nobody is offended if you ask for some general feedback without detail on a girl's level of service. I've done that plenty of times. Indeed I'll speak to a few guys in any club, find out who is a regular and ask for some tips. They've often come in very valuable. Some guys post long lists but unless there is a very detailed description it is useless unless you print it off. And if you walk around a club with a list in your robe, spot a girl on it, walk up with list in hand and say: "ah. Blonde, big tits, nice ass, curly hair, bad tattoo on left leg, tight pussy. Hi - you must be Mary?" it doesn't tend to start a session of well and you look a complete nerd! The forums are great when two or three guys comment that they have all sessioned with a girl recently and she was great or awful. It's worth remembering those names. I did that in my trip earlier this year when Danny posted about a girl he thought was poor. When she approached me I thought he must be mad as she was very pretty. So I ignored his advice and it was. More than poor! Lesson learned. I've had the opposite though. Gone with someone who might not normally have got my attention but got rave reviews here so gave her a go and ended up very pleased I did so.

If some of the more regular guys at Artemis can add any tips to picking out the great performers it would benefit us all.

[Hermann666]

Returned about 8 pm to Artemis on a Weds night. As others have noted, Wednesday is "not naked" day at Artemis so the girls were wearing bikinis, bra / panties, or even tight dresses. Not sure why they feel the need to do this 1 x / week, as naked makes it harder to hide things.

Waited about 20 minutes and was rewarded with Gina (black girl from Namibia) returning to the main lounge. Grabbed her for what ended up being 1. 5 hrs in the room. I like the rooms out by the outside pool. You can just ask and the girls go out there no problem. Gina was fun and friendly. I think we started around 20:45 and we ended at 10:25, but she had lost track of time a bit and only charged me for 1. 5 hrs. All in 160 Euro.

Had a steam and a dry sauna in the newer outside area, then a bite at the buffet. Reasonably decent food, actually. Back to the main lounge and it was *really* hard to try to find a next target. There are a lot of blondes walking around, in addition to the regular dark-haired romanians, but it's really hard to tell who is any good just by watching. Also some were so "fierce" in their bottle blonde look and fake boobs that I have to think they would be terrible in the room. A lot of the girls just have terrible non-friendly body language. There were a couple of blondes who I liked physically but I was afraid the session would be sharky and terrible.

I am no veteran by any means but after having made three visits to Livingroom in NRW recently and being able to compare to a number of visits done to Artemis this spring, the difference in the level of GFE service and DFK is huge in favor of Livingroom.

Artemis is great for optics and has a lot of beautiful girls but not very many that does good GFE and DFK. I tend to go for the non sharky girls at Artemis. The good girls seems to sit and wait for customers. I am also avoiding girls sitting in a group together seeming not being interested in the men at all. Good luck with the hunting!

[LexxyDock]

Cheers guys!

I have an option go to Artemis either on Wednesday or Friday.

Just need an opinion from regulars is Dessous Tag worth it to go, because last time when I was there to see totally naked ladies was a big bonus. What is your impression or recommendation.

Thanks!

[Eric Cartman]

Returned about 8 pm to Artemis on a Weds night. As others have noted, Wednesday is "not naked" day at Artemis so the girls were wearing bikinis, bra / panties, or even tight dresses. Not sure why they feel the need to do this 1 x / week, as naked makes it harder to hide things.

Waited about 20 minutes and was rewarded with Gina (black girl from Namibia) returning to the main lounge. Grabbed her for what ended up being 1. 5 hrs in the room. I like the rooms out by the outside pool. You can just ask and the girls go out there no problem. Gina was fun and friendly. I think we started around 20:45 and we ended at 10:25, but she had lost track of time a bit and only charged me for 1. 5 hrs. All in 160 Euro.

Had a steam and a dry sauna in the newer outside area, then a bite at the buffet. Reasonably decent food, actually. Back to the main lounge and it was *really* hard to try to find a next target. There are a lot of blondes walking around, in addition to the regular dark-haired romanians, but it's really hard to tell who is any good just by watching. Also some were so "fierce" in their bottle blonde look and fake boobs that I have to think they would be terrible in the room. A lot of the girls just have terrible non-friendly body language. There were a couple of blondes who I liked physically but I was afraid the session would be sharky and terrible.

Ended up going with Lorraine from Hungary. She has great muscular legs (was wearing boots) from apparently having played handball before her working girl career. Reasonably nice personality, some light kissing, good eye contact. All in all a reasonable service. 110 Euro including the basic 30 minutes and some extra. Did not clock-watch esp after I agreed to the extra.

I still find it much more difficult to make a connection with the girls than with garotas in Brazil. But hey when in Germany.

Any other suggestions on how to sort out the better performers from the weak ones, especially when you don't know their names, gratefully appreciated.

-Cartman

[UltraHappy]

I've never heard of a FKK club where the female part of a couple doesn't have to pay entry.

HB.

This corresponds to my experience. Oase was certainly quite happy to take my money for two entry fees every time I showed up there with a female guest. If someone knows better, than please tell me because I will certainly be bringing other girls there in the future.

[Member #4581]

So who are the salaried employees who don't pay entrance fee? Hopefully Mauro does nt charge himself, LOL. The bartenders, cooks, bouncers, cleaning people etc? What about the masseuse, wonder if s / he has to pay, since they freelance and get paid similar to the hookers?

I think you got this one absolutely wrong: Everybody pays entry fee to get into Oase. Even Mauro's mother has to pay to get in!

[Hessen Bub]

I've never heard of a FKK club where the female part of a couple doesn't have to pay entry. That may be true for Party- or Swingerclubs.

HB.

[Hermann666]

Perhaps I misjudged Brianna bc I was put off due to her approach. Maybe I should try her next time or perhaps she likes you.

Cheyenne? Black curly hair wearing glasses?

Brianna can be a bit pushy but I have read other positive reviews of her and we had great fun in the room with lots of kissing.

Cheynne is the best PSE style girl I've tried in Artemis. No glasses what I recall, silicones that look a bit oversized on her petite frame. She is really skinny and her whole back is covered with a tatoo with a couple of faces if I recall correctly. Her hair is sometimes put up in a knot. I did a lot of positions with her, she did deepthroat, CIM and anal with great enthusiasm. I like to do anal in mish with eye contact and she was great at that. In doggy she was very active and pushed herself onto my dick. I've had a couple of different sessions with her and would repeat every time.

[Ortos]

I only know that a couple, men and girl can enter Oase. The girl does not have to pay entry fee.

I think you got this one absolutely wrong: Everybody pays entry fee to get into Oase. Even Mauro's mother has to pay to get in!

[Guy93]

Thank you for your answers gentlemen.

I tried to search info at Artemis homepage before, but they didn't mention anything about female guests.

[RempNobbes]

What is Artemis policy when it comes to female guests? Are they even allowed to entry the club?

Do they get free entry or free entry when they come with a man or have they always got to pay that 80?

As far as I know not. In Artemis there are no couples, men and girl, even so lonely women or lesbian couples allowed. I only know that a couple, men and girl can enter Oase. The girl does not have to pay entry fee. One other club now is the Oceans in Düsseldorf. There are couples, men and girl, as so women alone and lesbian couple allowed. They have free entrance all the time.
I really saw some joining the club with bathrobes. Interesting aspect. One time I came from the sauna, I disturbed accidentally a couple in the shower area. The women started to blow her (a) man.

[Pharisaer]

What is Artemis policy when it comes to female guests? Are they even allowed to entry the club?

No admittance for female guests.