Blackbeards Resort

[Manny51]

Here's the problem: you said, you heard from the guys at BBs that most women would prefer to work there, and from that I'm supposed to accept as fact that most women would prefer to work there.

As I see it, if you got it from BBs regulars, they got it from the girls who work at BBs, most of which probably prefer to work there. It's like standing inside a Walmart and asking customers where they prefer to shop.

Rather than assume, with nothing to support the assumption, that the majority of girls not working at BBs, would rather be working at BBs, you should stick with the data and ask why do the girls at BBs prefer that to somewhere else.

Safety and security is one possibility. I think there is a much more likely reason, less competition. My rough estimate is a 20 to 1 ratio, available women to looking me in Sosua. At BBs, it was 2 or 3 to 1. Team up with another girl for jacuzzi tag teams and now it's almost 1 to 1. With those odds, even a woman with hair on her nipples or rather grotesque growths on her hands, has a good chance of making some money.

Well, I didn't ONLY quote those guys. I used it as an intro, followed by reasons why it makes sense. And you just made another argument in favor, which I hadn't thought of. In fact, that's one reason I can understand why people would want to go to Sosua. I suppose that if you are staying in the DR for more than a couple of days, you can want to meet someone new.

But the thing to remember is BB isn't an open door, where a girl can just randomly decide, "Hmmm. I am going to work at BB today!" You have to get permission to work there. If I hadn't emphasized it enough, it the vetting that's the biggest advantage.

I think we are making the same case.

BTW, has anyone seen any surface effects of the Haitian expulsion? The political situation is much like the USA's problem with Mexico. I was just wondering how pervasive it was. Are there cleaning ladies for cooks at BB's getting forced out? Is it the type of people that you see everyday? Or is it more of a hiding in the shadows thing?

[Yanqui69]

Here's the problem: you said, you heard from the guys at BBs that most women would prefer to work there, and from that I'm supposed to accept as fact that most women would prefer to work there.

As I see it, if you got it from BBs regulars, they got it from the girls who work at BBs, most of which probably prefer to work there. It's like standing inside a Walmart and asking customers where they prefer to shop.

Rather than assume, with nothing to support the assumption, that the majority of girls not working at BBs, would rather be working at BBs, you should stick with the data and ask why do the girls at BBs prefer that to somewhere else.

Safety and security is one possibility. I think there is a much more likely reason, less competition. My rough estimate is a 20 to 1 ratio, available women to looking me in Sosua. At BBs, it was 2 or 3 to 1. Team up with another girl for jacuzzi tag teams and now it's almost 1 to 1. With those odds, even a woman with hair on her nipples or rather grotesque growths on her hands, has a good chance of making some money.

In fact, they DO prefer to work there.

And I got that from conversations with the chicas (more than a few). One I know very well who left years ago, told me she considered herself very lucky to be working there.

They prefer the controlled environment; safer for them on a number of levels. On the customer level, no scams, thievery, bait-and-switch, etc.

To use your Wal-Mart example, hearing it from a chica is more like asking a Wal-Mart employee, not a customer.

If the employee is positive about their place of work, I take their word for it.

Occasionally one will leave because they don't want to follow certain rules, but overall, its a very coveted place to work.

A girl can get told to leave for misconduct, complaints, or if she gets too fat, etc.

The freelancers may have their reasons for doing so, but some may be drama queens, thieves, druggies, scams, etc that wouldn't last long.

Have occasionally seen former BB chicas at FOD, for example. Given the difference in the level of business, they would not consider that positive.

When you see a former BB girl working elsewhere, its not considered a step up.

No need to turn this into a prolonged debate, just leave at "to each his own. ".

Stick with what you enjoy.

[OldKool]

In Sosua you get a couple of 100 hotties as a opposed to BBs 20 or 30. On weekends buses of Santiago red bones show up. I have met some girls very new to the game in Sosua.. I control my encounters with the ladies. It is true that rip offs and scams are reduced but that is part of th excitement of Sosua. Sosua has many part timers because of the constant turn over . I tend to look for this type of chica. If you speak a little Spanish you can find them. If Sosua did not exist or was shut down BBs would be a great option when got a Bently the Mercedes loses some of its luster.

Interesting, so you think that the girls are MORE hard care at BB? So in your experience, there are more part-timers, newbs to the night in Sosua?

From my limited observations, I detected no difference in the women whatsoever. I found the women at BB, FOD, and Sosua equal in looks. The advantage of BB and FOD isn't in looks, its in vetting and the incentives for good behavior.

[JjBee62]

Of course there may be some women who truly prefer working on the street. Fine. But once you accept that most women would probably prefer to work at BB if they could, it behooves you to ask WHY they are not there. It may have been because they tried to rip off customers too often, got caught stealing, or failed a basic STD screen.

Here's the problem: you said, you heard from the guys at BBs that most women would prefer to work there, and from that I'm supposed to accept as fact that most women would prefer to work there.

As I see it, if you got it from BBs regulars, they got it from the girls who work at BBs, most of which probably prefer to work there. It's like standing inside a Walmart and asking customers where they prefer to shop.

Rather than assume, with nothing to support the assumption, that the majority of girls not working at BBs, would rather be working at BBs, you should stick with the data and ask why do the girls at BBs prefer that to somewhere else.

Safety and security is one possibility. I think there is a much more likely reason, less competition. My rough estimate is a 20 to 1 ratio, available women to looking me in Sosua. At BBs, it was 2 or 3 to 1. Team up with another girl for jacuzzi tag teams and now it's almost 1 to 1. With those odds, even a woman with hair on her nipples or rather grotesque growths on her hands, has a good chance of making some money.

[Charles Pooter]

For all you know, you may have been vindicated if it went through the system.

Yes, that is remotely possible. But even in that rare event, it would not be a great comfort after you had spent 3 days to 3 months in a Dominican jail and spent a small fortune on lawyers. Best of luck trying to get compensation from a Dominican court, not to mention always looking over your shoulder for her brothers, cousins, and boyfriends coming after you for vengeance with knives and machetes.

What does work is having a powerful contact high up in the system. A few guys here boast of having one. In some cases it might even be true. But most of us are not that fortunate.

Manny, you live in a little bubble of your own. No wonder you like to spend your time interned in the likes of Oxygen, Blackbeards and Field of Dreams where you are sheltered from the "real" DR. Seriously, it is the right policy for you.

[Lou32]

I think the BB, FOD and Sosua girls are all the same. Some like the security and back-up in case a gringo monger is a bit too physical or abusive while others like to bag their own prey in the streets of Sosua. They may not like the fact that working at BB they can't trick some newbie into a $200 night.

But pretty much the very same North Coast "Professional" Dominican women at each location. It would seem that if you want a non-pro you leave the compounds AND Sosua.

[Yanqui69]

Great story. In fact, I think I remember reading it before I left for the trip when I rented a car. I always looked behind me before making any turns.

Was the accident in the daytime or at night? If at night, did he have a headlight on? Had you had any booze?

That being said, why do you think that the "gringo will pay?" You volunteered to pay his expenses to avoid a nasty court thing. I would have done the same. But it didn't go to court. A police officer didnt say "well, its your fault, so you pay." For all you know, you may have been vindicated if it went through the system.

Unless there is more to the story, the lesson I take away is 1) you handled it well, and 2) always give right of way, and look behind you on turns.

It was daytime. I had nothing to drink.

I only paid for part of the idiot's motoconcho because he and a couple of friends would not let me leave.

He wanted more, and the friends convinced him to take my offer.

I willingly paid only for the female passenger's medical bill, which was small, to avoid any problems with her family.

IF the cops had been involved, THEY would have wanted money, and I know stories of gringos spending a day or two in jail, waiting for a lawyer or money to "fix things".

My lesson was ALWAYS LOOK. Motoconchos will appear WHERE THEY SHOULD NOT BE.
I make all course changes gradually, to allow any motoconcho I didn't see, time to move out of the way.
My luck was the girl. She knew to take control of the situation, and get everyone to a clinic fast.
Had the cops arrived first and taken charge, it would likely have been a disaster for me.

Imagine any gringo on his own, and he would have waited for the cops; and at that point, he'd be screwed.
Once immersed in the Dominican legal system, you are at the mercy of a corrupt, incompetent system, and those involved have time to get a lawyer and make claims, etc.

[Manny51]

I have been to BB twice and have no plans of returning. The women were just OK. Most were 6 or 7 nothing special. Everything there is ok but not special. I will take the streets of Sosua every time. At BB you have 15 to 20 chicas laying around bored. The 2 or 3 hot ones are used constantly and are hard to schedule. Me personally do not like knowing the girl I just fucked was sucking the guys next to me dick the night before. BB girls are committed hard core pros. Sosua has a variety of women with different perspectives. There is a difference between a full time pro and a college girl getting cash for school. To each his own. Casas are a big turn off to me. The illusion of hunting in Sosua is a big turn on for me.
Some women like the ablity to not fuck some guys.

Interesting, so you think that the girls are MORE hard care at BB? So in your experience, there are more part-timers, newbs to the night in Sosua?

From my limited observations, I detected no difference in the women whatsoever. I found the women at BB, FOD, and Sosua equal in looks. The advantage of BB and FOD isn't in looks, its in vetting and the incentives for good behavior.

[Manny51]

Well, if you can't imagine it, there's a very simple solution. Go to Blackbeard's, take along a notebook and rate each girl. Rate her on her face, her body, with and without clothes, try to estimate her age, and rate her attitude and performance. Then go to Sosua. Sit down at Rumbas and just start rating the girls. Rate 30 or 40 of them on the visible areas, and however many you can on attitude and performance.

Here's my results from Blackbeard's, where I had some experience with 7 different girls, 1 only in room, 5 only in jacuzzi and 1 in both places. I'm sorry it's not a more exhaustive list, but I was suffering from a severe head cold those 2 days.

In Sosua I found more people to talk to, found more things to do and see and found many more choices when it came to chicas. I also enjoyed all of the people watching opportunities.

My initial plans were along the lines of BBs, although a different place with more accessible outside options. I changed my plans because of costs and because I wanted a broader experience. If I had spent my entire trip at Blackbeard's, I would probably have little desire to return. Instead, I am hoping to return, to Blackbeard's, Sosua and to experience other spots as well.

One on one debating about where the girls are prettier is an exercise in futility. I have found that, when it comes to black women, opinions of beauty vary WIDELY. Girls that some guys complement as "thick," I find fat. I'll often go to the Photo Gallery section and scratch my head when I see guys posting pictures and waxing poetic about women I find completely ordinary. I do agree that the only fair way to assess beauty is to go and check it out yourself.

Of course there may be some women who truly prefer working on the street. Fine. But once you accept that most women would probably prefer to work at BB if they could, it behooves you to ask WHY they are not there. It may have been because they tried to rip off customers too often, got caught stealing, or failed a basic STD screen.

[JjBee62]

When I was talking to experienced guys at BB, they all told me that ALL the girls want to work there. Its a coveted position to get. And I can understand why. There is security for BOTH sides. Its hidden away, so you won't by chance run into family or friends. They get free medical check ups. From what I have read, they don't make any more money working freelance. I am guessing that they probably get a free meal out of it.

I can't think of a single reason why a woman would not take BB over the street, hence I can't imagine why the women would not be better looking. I can't explain what you saw, but I can't imagine why they would be worse. I saw them as the same in looks, but with better attitude.

Well, if you can't imagine it, there's a very simple solution. Go to Blackbeard's, take along a notebook and rate each girl. Rate her on her face, her body, with and without clothes, try to estimate her age, and rate her attitude and performance. Then go to Sosua. Sit down at Rumbas and just start rating the girls. Rate 30 or 40 of them on the visible areas, and however many you can on attitude and performance.

Here's my results from Blackbeard's, where I had some experience with 7 different girls, 1 only in room, 5 only in jacuzzi and 1 in both places. I'm sorry it's not a more exhaustive list, but I was suffering from a severe head cold those 2 days.

#1 In room. Face decent until closer inspection revealed makeup covering acne. Small firm breasts, ass a bit big for my taste. Attitude at bar excellent. Attitude in room below average. Lots of restrictions and my tastes are very tame. Quite a bit of a primadonna attitude. Performance just average. Age probably early 20's.

#2 In jacuzzi with #3 - face slightly above average. Body above average clothed, slightly below average unclothed, sagging issues. Attitude above average. Performance average. Age late 20's.

#3 In jacuzzi and room. Face slightly below average. Body average. Attitude and performance, both places, above average. Age mid to late 20's.

#4 In jacuzzi. Face excellent. Body clothed excellent, unclothed above average. Attitude and performance between above average and excellent. Age late teens to early 20's.

#5 In jacuzzi. Face above average. Body above average clothed, average unclothed. Attitude above average to excellent. Performance excellent. Age mid to late 20's.

#6 in jacuzzi. Face average. Body below average, long hairs on nipples and small of back. Attitude and performance above average. Age late 20's.

#7 In jacuzzi. Face aversge. Body below average with some weird skin growths. Attitude and performance above average. Age late 20's.

In Sosua, even though I was there longer, only 4 to rate. Between sightseeing and sampling different eating establishments, I was distracted from the pursuit of chicas.

#1 - Face excellent. Body excellent. Attitude average. Performance below average. Age 18.

#2 - Face excellent. Body excellent. Attitude Excellent. Performance Excellent with honors. Age 18 to 24.

#3 - Face above average. Body average. Attitude above average. Performance excellent. Age mid 20's.

#4 - Face above average. Body above average. Attitude average. Performance average. Age mid 20's.

As I've said, I enjoyed both places. At Blackbeard's I was much more active because there really wasn't anything else to do. It's like a nice comfortable strip joint with a swimming pool.

In Sosua I found more people to talk to, found more things to do and see and found many more choices when it came to chicas. I also enjoyed all of the people watching opportunities.

My initial plans were along the lines of BBs, although a different place with more accessible outside options. I changed my plans because of costs and because I wanted a broader experience. If I had spent my entire trip at Blackbeard's, I would probably have little desire to return. Instead, I am hoping to return, to Blackbeard's, Sosua and to experience other spots as well.

[OldKool]

I have been to BB twice and have no plans of returning. The women were just OK. Most were 6 or 7 nothing special. Everything there is ok but not special. I will take the streets of Sosua every time. At BB you have 15 to 20 chicas laying around bored. The 2 or 3 hot ones are used constantly and are hard to schedule. Me personally do not like knowing the girl I just fucked was sucking the guys next to me dick the night before. BB girls are committed hard core pros. Sosua has a variety of women with different perspectives. There is a difference between a full time pro and a college girl getting cash for school. To each his own. Casas are a big turn off to me. The illusion of hunting in Sosua is a big turn on for me.
Some women like the ablity to not fuck some guys.

When I was talking to experienced guys at BB, they all told me that ALL the girls want to work there. Its a coveted position to get. And I can understand why. There is security for BOTH sides. Its hidden away, so you won't by chance run into family or friends. They get free medical check ups. From what I have read, they don't make any more money working freelance. I am guessing that they probably get a free meal out of it.

I can't think of a single reason why a woman would not take BB over the street, hence I can't imagine why the women would not be better looking. I can't explain what you saw, but I can't imagine why they would be worse. I saw them as the same in looks, but with better attitude.

[Yanqui69]

When I was talking to experienced guys at BB, they all told me that ALL the girls want to work there. Its a coveted position to get. And I can understand why. There is security for BOTH sides. Its hidden away, so you won't by chance run into family or friends. They get free medical check ups. From what I have read, they don't make any more money working freelance. I am guessing that they probably get a free meal out of it.

I can't think of a single reason why a woman would not take BB over the street, hence I can't imagine why the women would not be better looking. I can't explain what you saw, but I can't imagine why they would be worse. I saw them as the same in looks, but with better attitude.

The girls prefer to work at BB for the controlled environment and security for them as well.

No danger of street violence, robbery, sexual assault, abuse by police (or possibly by clients).

For security and quality control, I always liked BB.

Street action is strictly "buyer beware. ".

[Manny51]

Well, I was a first timer. I went to Sosua for 6 days, Blackbeard's for 2 days and then spent 2 days in Santo Domingo for some sightseeing. My knowledge of Spanish is low and I'm not a seasoned mongering traveler.

Apparently the days I was at Blackbeard's was during give all the good looking girls time off week. As far as looks go, there were only 2 that I considered top notch. In comparison, the maid at Hotel Plaza Europa was better looking than any of the other girls at Blackbeard's and I'm pretty sure I could have had her for a reasonable price. Inside Rumbas, at night were easily 20 women better looking than the best I saw at Blackbeard's. I never made it to Classicos or Merengue, where the hottest women are said to be.

There's no hunting in Sosua. Just walk down the street and say "No" until you find the one you want, or sit down at any of the open cafes or bars and wait until your type walks by. If you do that in Rumbas, you will have a difficult time deciding, because there will be plenty of your type trying to get your attention.

Both Blackbeard's and Sosua are excellent options for the first time visitor. If the person doesn't want to worry about making decisions and just wants to spend his tome laying by the pool, eating and playing with the chicas, without ever having to move more than 150 feet from his room, Blackbeard's is the place. You can't go wrong and it's a great experience. At least I enjoyed my time there.

On the other hand, if a visitor likes having options and isn't afraid to venture out of the hotel, Sosua is a good place. I had a good time and I thought both of Sosua's beaches were quite nice.

When I was talking to experienced guys at BB, they all told me that ALL the girls want to work there. Its a coveted position to get. And I can understand why. There is security for BOTH sides. Its hidden away, so you won't by chance run into family or friends. They get free medical check ups. From what I have read, they don't make any more money working freelance. I am guessing that they probably get a free meal out of it.

I can't think of a single reason why a woman would not take BB over the street, hence I can't imagine why the women would not be better looking. I can't explain what you saw, but I can't imagine why they would be worse. I saw them as the same in looks, but with better attitude.

[Manny51]

Just to explain my thoughts, I think one should observe Dominican drivers a bit, especially the motoconchos. They invite death, and the gringo will pay.
A newbie needs to be aware how those idiots drive, to be aware and on guard when on the road.

True experience: I was in one town, in the left lane, with my left turn signal on, waiting for oncoming traffic to pass, to make a left turn.

Once it was clear, I began the turn, - and a motoconcho (with passenger) slammed into the driver's door, ripping off the rear view mirror.

I watched the bike, the driver, and the female passenger sliding past on the asphalt.

I was in shock, imagining jail, lawsuits, how a delay might affect my job, etc.

It was only the girl I was with that saved me. Took passengers to local clinic, so no police report, paid small medical expenses at clinic, etc.

Even got squeezed for helping the idiot pay for damages to his bike, just to get out of there.

Point is, you can bet it will not be YOUR fault, but it doesn't matter. YOU will pay.

And one needs to be prepared for the idiots on motoconchos, because logic, reason, and traffic laws mean nothing there.

Great story. In fact, I think I remember reading it before I left for the trip when I rented a car. I always looked behind me before making any turns.

Was the accident in the daytime or at night? If at night, did he have a headlight on? Had you had any booze?

That being said, why do you think that the "gringo will pay?" You volunteered to pay his expenses to avoid a nasty court thing. I would have done the same. But it didn't go to court. A police officer didnt say "well, its your fault, so you pay." For all you know, you may have been vindicated if it went through the system.

Unless there is more to the story, the lesson I take away is 1) you handled it well, and 2) always give right of way, and look behind you on turns.

[Yanqui69]

I don't think that driving gets any safer for veterans. Familiarity has nothing to do with it. The roads are not complicated. In fact, they are very simple. No way will you get lost. Its not the tourist causing the risk, its the native Dominicans.

In fact, I think that renting a car ONLY makes sense for first-timers. Its the first time that you go that you want to visit the tourist sites. But once you have seen them, repeat visitors are only there to play.

If you do get a car, then get it at the airport. The best part about renting a car is having complete control of your transportation to and from the airport. Rides to and from the airport are when people try to rip you off the most. Plus, you don't have to worry about getting to the airport late. Just get a good map, or get very good directions from the hotel you are staying at.

I have a strong suspicion that most of the people who get into accidents are driving at night or under the influence. At night, especially in Sosua, there are tons of people running randomly across the street. Lots of drunk people. Other cars whose headlights or taillights are broken. Very few, if any streetlamps. That's not to forget the few beers that YOU have had. I think that the risk driving is quadrupled at night.

If you REALLY want to see Sosua, then stay there the last night. At least that will make getting to the airport easy. Trust me, you won't be missing out.

I remember the first time I visited the DR, about 5-6 years ago. You hear and read so much about Sosua. In books, online. Investigative journalists always talk about it in expose's of the DR nightlife and "denizens of ill repute in foreign lands that threaten to infect the puritanical USA." So much that it kind of becomes legendary in your head. You just HAVE to see it. And when you get there, you are just so disappointed. Its just a few blocks of shit bars, with lots of average scantily clad women trying to get your attention. You will have read all the posts of guys who got ripped off, and you will wonder what the fuss is all about. You'll see a lot of American guys walking around drunk who need a shower. And local small restaurants serving poor versions of hamburgers and pizza.

It's not that Sosua is particularly bad. Its just that it doesn't live up to the legend. Its just a very average red light district. And after you see it for the first time, you'll wonder why anyone bothers to leave the other, more controlled environments, like BB, FOD, and when it was around, Oxygen.

But what do the rest of you think? Have things changed? I kind of wandered back into the DR forums because I have been following everything in the news about the Haitian expulsion.

Just to explain my thoughts, I think one should observe Dominican drivers a bit, especially the motoconchos. They invite death, and the gringo will pay.
A newbie needs to be aware how those idiots drive, to be aware and on guard when on the road.

True experience: I was in one town, in the left lane, with my left turn signal on, waiting for oncoming traffic to pass, to make a left turn.

Once it was clear, I began the turn, - and a motoconcho (with passenger) slammed into the driver's door, ripping off the rear view mirror.

I watched the bike, the driver, and the female passenger sliding past on the asphalt.

I was in shock, imagining jail, lawsuits, how a delay might affect my job, etc.

It was only the girl I was with that saved me. Took passengers to local clinic, so no police report, paid small medical expenses at clinic, etc.

Even got squeezed for helping the idiot pay for damages to his bike, just to get out of there.

Point is, you can bet it will not be YOUR fault, but it doesn't matter. YOU will pay.

And one needs to be prepared for the idiots on motoconchos, because logic, reason, and traffic laws mean nothing there.