Kyiv

[Sorbonne]

Sorbonne,

One thing I learned since I became I a member here is to research facts & figures before I head to a place and that's what Research revealed about Kharkiv, Kharkov.

First time I went to Tokyo many years ago I didn't know about ISG or any other forum, needless to say it cost me a lot of money in expensive mistakes and of all places in the world I've been to I had my drink spiked by the Nigerian manager of a hostess club in Shinjuku. The morale of this, I should've researched Shinjuku as a place with many scams unlike other parts of Tokyo which are very safe.

I didn't mean to offend you, and I don't think you were offended.

It's just that when I read you had not been to Kharkov, I was surprised because I thought for sure you had been there reading the previous post. It was hilarious!

[Jojosun]

Kharkov was an extremely productive base of operations up until 2008, I was there fifteen times in 9 years. But like everything, as time grinds on, unless you are there full time to branch out and consolidate your contacts, Ukraine gradually declines. Around 2006, it was obvious that Mamba started working for sponsorships. But prior to that, it was possible to place very inexpensive sponsorship advertisements in the local gazetta Prospekt, in the Znakomstva section. One well written ad could generate texts and calls ALL DAY long. By 2006 though, ladies ignored these newspaper ads and websites were the way to hook up.

By 2006, I'd heard enough stories from Dr. Skank and CaTraveler, that if I wasn't going to monger in Russia, I was missing the real thing. As usual, they were absolutely right. In 2006, the internet had not completely caught up yet in the Russian provinces like it had in Kharkov.

On my first Russian trips, it was possible, though very expensive, to advertise for sponsorships in the gazetta Iz-Ruk-v-Ruki. Again, one well written ad could generate calls and texts ALL DAY long.

By 2008, I noticed more people speaking English in Kharkov. The quality of talent at the few available agencies and apartments, and street walkers, was so AWFUL, that I permanently abandoned Kharkov, because as Dr. Skank had forewarned, Ukraine would eventually play itself out..

Another very good report from nearly 2 years ago on Kharkov by Russel339. If anything it should now be cheaper still unless prices have doubled.

Gentlemen,

I have lived in Kharkov for more than three years. I am not on the site often, but I thought that I would give you and update on the city since I had some time tonight.

Mamba. Kiev. Uk. This is a good place to find women in Kharkov. About 20% of the women under 30 are pay-for-play on the site. (Look for women wanting sponsors). Note, however, that the women on this site go on and off the site very quickly. If you are looking a month ahead of time. The lady will probably not be there when you arrive. If you do make contact, the lady will typically come to your hotel or apartment. The cost is typically 400-500 UAH plus taxi (approx. $50. Now $40 with the recent currency inflation over the last month). Another thing to note. The chance of the girl showing up: 95. The chance of the girl in the picture showing up: 30. Most of these ads are for agencies and will send over any girl if you don't ask. (And sometimes even if your do).

I currently have 3 girlfriends in Kharkov that I met on Mamba. These are older ladies (35-40 but, then, I am older also). They are beautiful and I never pay for anything other than dinner, a movie, or a theater ticket. With some patience and a positive attitude, anything is possible...

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...eply&p=1538040

[Jojosun]

Hi,

I have been in Kiev tens of times. And, recently I never payed more than 1500 UAH for 18 to 20 yo, 8 -9 girls yes that is correct, very beautiful girls not more than 1500 UAH for one hour and remember, paying extra money does not guarantee good service, as the good service depends on many other parameters! So again please. Do not inflate the price!

Thanks to all.

Hi Alex.

I don't doubt there are 18 to 20 yo,8-9 girls out there in Kiev, But at such prices and readily avaialble to every Tom, Dick, Abdul Monger?? At such prices (not more than (US $60 an hour) it beats hands down the Talent that was available during River Palace days who used to go for Min $200 .

I don't go for good service, I am more into hot looks and with the kind of girls you describe above with the age group 18/24 .

When it comes to good service LOL, I make sure that I give them a Good Seeing to, even if the said girl, girls were Grumpy.

Here's what it means So we don't get lost in translation as I first heard it in London.

" A good, hard, fuck.

"Kascia seems grumpy".

I think she needs a good seeing to. " http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=A+good+seeing+to.

And at such prices, I wouldn't mind even tipping them a little, LOL Spread the wealth.

Cheers.

[Jojosun]

Hi,

I have been in Kiev tens of times. And, recently I never payed more than 1500 UAH for 18 to 20 yo, 8 -9 girls yes that is correct, very beautiful girls not more than 1500 UAH for one hour and remember, paying extra money does not guarantee good service, as the good service depends on many other parameters! So again please. Do not inflate the price!

Thanks to all.

In the past I've used Kiev escorts and top modals. I used to speed- interview them in the lobby of my hotel. Anyone not to my liking, back to sender with 50 UAH Taxi money. This was before the UAH took a dive.

Best agency I found at the time back in 2009 was Marina agency they used to advertise on the back page of Kiev Post (Personals) .

Are the 8 -9 Girls at no more than 1500 UAH agency, semi pros, Referrals??

If Agency or semi pros, links?

[Jojosun]

Kharkov was an extremely productive base of operations up until 2008, I was there fifteen times in 9 years. But like everything, as time grinds on, unless you are there full time to branch out and consolidate your contacts, Ukraine gradually declines. Around 2006, it was obvious that Mamba started working for sponsorships. But prior to that, it was possible to place very inexpensive sponsorship advertisements in the local gazetta Prospekt, in the Znakomstva section. One well written ad could generate texts and calls ALL DAY long. By 2006 though, ladies ignored these newspaper ads and websites were the way to hook up.

By 2006, I'd heard enough stories from Dr. Skank and CaTraveler, that if I wasn't going to monger in Russia, I was missing the real thing. As usual, they were absolutely right. In 2006, the internet had not completely caught up yet in the Russian provinces like it had in Kharkov.

On my first Russian trips, it was possible, though very expensive, to advertise for sponsorships in the gazetta Iz-Ruk-v-Ruki. Again, one well written ad could generate calls and texts ALL DAY long..

Thanks Suka for a great post.

What do think of Kaliningrad as a third alternative t0 Ekaterinberg and Novosibrisk?

From Europe its very easy and cost effective to fly to Gdansk in Poland and its just a ride on the bus or train to Kaliningrad and at times of crises its much easier to leg it out back to Poland.

[YellowPaul]

Kharkov was an extremely productive base of operations up until 2008, I was there fifteen times in 9 years. But like everything, as time grinds on, unless you are there full time to branch out and consolidate your contacts, Ukraine gradually declines. Around 2006, it was obvious that Mamba started working for sponsorships. But prior to that, it was possible to place very inexpensive sponsorship advertisements in the local gazetta Prospekt, in the Znakomstva section. One well written ad could generate texts and calls ALL DAY long. By 2006 though, ladies ignored these newspaper ads and websites were the way to hook up.

By 2006, I'd heard enough stories from Dr. Skank and CaTraveler, that if I wasn't going to monger in Russia, I was missing the real thing. As usual, they were absolutely right. In 2006, the internet had not completely caught up yet in the Russian provinces like it had in Kharkov.

On my first Russian trips, it was possible, though very expensive, to advertise for sponsorships in the gazetta Iz-Ruk-v-Ruki. Again, one well written ad could generate calls and texts ALL DAY long.

By 2008, I noticed more people speaking English in Kharkov. The quality of talent at the few available agencies and apartments, and street walkers, was so AWFUL, that I permanently abandoned Kharkov, because as Dr. Skank had forewarned, Ukraine would eventually play itself out.

Over the last 9 years, after fifteen adventures in Russia, I've seen some of the same declines in the provinces. In the last two or three years, the escort agencies that cater to locals, that used to have some amazing ladies, now only have very poor talent. The apartments, again for locals, now only have ladies from Africa, NO Russian ladies at all, none! Mamba has been a waste of time since 2013.

It's time to shift again, as this was predicted a while ago by those original mongers I already referenced. Ekaterinburg and Novosibirsk are probably the best bets for the next 5 to 10 years, before the whole enchilada is done.

Wow. Dr. Skank is blast from the past. Newer members should do a search to see some of his amazing reports.

I agree Mamba has totally gone downhill the last few years. This is what happens when Tinder is taking over especially in Russia.

[Jojosun]

Jojo,

WTF?

You've never been to Kharkiv but speak as if you have?

LOL!

Sorbonne,

One thing I learned since I became I a member here is to research facts & figures before I head to a place and that's what Research revealed about Kharkiv, Kharkov.

First time I went to Tokyo many years ago I didn't know about ISG or any other forum, needless to say it cost me a lot of money in expensive mistakes and of all places in the world I've been to I had my drink spiked by the Nigerian manager of a hostess club in Shinjuku. The morale of this, I should've researched Shinjuku as a place with many scams unlike other parts of Tokyo which are very safe.

[Suka Shalava]

Jojo,

WTF?

You've never been to Kharkiv but speak as if you have?

LOL!

Kharkov was an extremely productive base of operations up until 2008, I was there fifteen times in 9 years. But like everything, as time grinds on, unless you are there full time to branch out and consolidate your contacts, Ukraine gradually declines. Around 2006, it was obvious that Mamba started working for sponsorships. But prior to that, it was possible to place very inexpensive sponsorship advertisements in the local gazetta Prospekt, in the Znakomstva section. One well written ad could generate texts and calls ALL DAY long. By 2006 though, ladies ignored these newspaper ads and websites were the way to hook up.

By 2006, I'd heard enough stories from Dr. Skank and CaTraveler, that if I wasn't going to monger in Russia, I was missing the real thing. As usual, they were absolutely right. In 2006, the internet had not completely caught up yet in the Russian provinces like it had in Kharkov.

On my first Russian trips, it was possible, though very expensive, to advertise for sponsorships in the gazetta Iz-Ruk-v-Ruki. Again, one well written ad could generate calls and texts ALL DAY long.

By 2008, I noticed more people speaking English in Kharkov. The quality of talent at the few available agencies and apartments, and street walkers, was so AWFUL, that I permanently abandoned Kharkov, because as Dr. Skank had forewarned, Ukraine would eventually play itself out.

Over the last 9 years, after fifteen adventures in Russia, I've seen some of the same declines in the provinces. In the last two or three years, the escort agencies that cater to locals, that used to have some amazing ladies, now only have very poor talent. The apartments, again for locals, now only have ladies from Africa, NO Russian ladies at all, none! Mamba has been a waste of time since 2013.

It's time to shift again, as this was predicted a while ago by those original mongers I already referenced. Ekaterinburg and Novosibirsk are probably the best bets for the next 5 to 10 years, before the whole enchilada is done.

[Riina]

"disappointing and expensive trips" are the two words that almost all mongers will depart with when they leave Kiev.

Sadly sounds very true. I always viewed my chances of a successful trip to Kiev were fifty per cent based on my preparation and knowledge, and the other fifty based on pure luck.

[Horny Monger]

As posted before again and again, almost all good looking / beautiful girls have already left long ago!
Most are now average looking and ask for lots of money, as have written here numerous times.
If you can spend 500 $ and up and can find one, working girls are that much beautiful.

As posted umpteen times here also, it's cheaper to get beautiful Ukrainian girls in Dubai or Thailand!

It's gotten worse and worse since around 2011.

This is exactly my question.

How to find good looking girls in Kiev without being scammed?

Is it possible at all? Are Kiev working girls that much beautiful?

[Horny Monger]

"disappointing and expensive trips" are the two words that almost all mongers will depart with when they leave Kiev.

After my disappointing and expensive trips to Dolls where all the pretty and decent girls seem to have been driven away, I followed the tips and went to Star Nosorog in Podol. This seems to be where the pretty girls have gone. But no take out option. Great full on private dances. Trousers off. Grinding. Full contact. Long dances. 300 each. Whisky or juices at 100 gr. The girls do push a little bit for cocktails but at 200 or so each that's a fair tip to them. A beautiful 20 year old girl called Camilla. Brunette, tame massages but so nice. Her 2nd day only. Philosophy student. Then a crazy wild one Alyna. Both sat with me all night. 6 long dances at 2 songs each, all top quality dancing with zest, in total and with tips it came to 2 k. Easily worth it as a one off and what a boost to the mood! 1. 5 k for food and drinks including skewers of kebabs and grilled fish. Great fun. Much cheaper than Dolls but easily worth it for a good night out that won't leave you feeling ripped off.

[Horny Monger]

If you think RIO is bad, you haven't seen the semi-pro scene. It's worse! Lot worse!

So true. And Rio on Thursday even at 9 pm had a very variable range of girls. Not as hot as expected from the previous posts. Perhaps a bad weekday night? Getting to the VIP was simple and no tip needed but we saw three large and very rough tattooed girls in a row and so we decided to move on. I've heard a stripper who's friendly and teases with a few extras can make 40 to 60 k grh a month with private dances tips and massages and so on without having to leave the clubs. And that's what the pretty ones do. Word gets round and the city girls are pretty canny now and realize they don't have to have sex to make good money. And they all seem to get European visas with no effort. It's become their market and they can pick and choose from amongst the plentiful supply of men throwing cash at them.

[Sorbonne]

Kharkiv in the East has a very large student population. 150 k university students are enrolled there annually. It's something like the Ukrainian version of Wroclaw in Poland, however it is larger, has more students, is poorer, and it has almost no Western tourists. It has a population of 1. 5 million people, but because there are so many students, the nightlife and the freebies is like that of a larger city.

Jojo,

WTF?

You've never been to Kharkiv but speak as if you have?

LOL!

[AColonizer]

I have reported a similar experience in previous year, but I can't guess this trouble has become the rule in Kiev.

I would give my real address but always wait outside on the look out for anything suspicious. A independent semi pro will want to meet outside and take a good look at you before entering a building. If they ask for an apartment number in advance, it's almost for sure an agency. I would always cancel if they were escorted by a man to the building or the "taxi driver" waited.

[Jojosun]

I have heard that Kharkiv is full of Arabic students and Turkish tourists who unfortunately give a bad name to "brown" people. Can someone who have been there confirm this?

Never been to Kharkiv but I can imagine it to be full of Arabic students as its cheaper to study there and with the right bribe a student is guaranteed a degree when its time for them to head home. LOL. PHD in Sexology at least.

As for being " Brown" In Kharkiv and in Eastern Europe as a whole, its much more of odds stacked against you. Its the same all over EE with varying degrees.

And how odd that is, because if it wasn't for Migrants from Arabic Countries in the Near East, Europeans today would still be " Dark Skinned " ? According to recent research which was presented at the 84th annual meeting of the American Association of Physical Anthropologists.

"Europeans were dark-skinned until 8,000 years ago: Pale complexions were brought to Europe from the Near East, study claims.

The original migrants to Europe from Africa arrived 40,000 years ago.

Up until 8,000 years ago, early hunter-gatherers largely had darker skin.

When Near East farmers arrived, they carried with them light skin genes.

Genomes of 83 people found 5 genes linked with diet and skin changes".

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...dy-claims.html

It was not until 7,800 years ago, when the first farmers migrated from the Near East through Turkey that two key genes that provide lighter skin appeared.

DNA analysis obtained from ancient human remains has shown that as these farmers bred with the dark skinned hunter gatherers, one of these genes became prevalent in the European population and European's skin color began to lighten.

Around 5,800 years ago the second gene, which makes skin color lighter still, also began to spread though the European population."

LOL, Arabic students and Turkish Tourists are tracing their Forefathers (BTW many of them are White) and under US Census People from The Middle East are classified as "White" anyway regardless of the color of their skin. T defines "white people" as "people having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa.