Angeles City

[ChaosErrant]

What is up with this? Why do you need to make eye contact and if you can't then leave the place? Either go up to the girl or get one of the waitresses to get her for you. It is that simple.

Well, you do have a point, it is that simple. It's just that I had only one bad experience with this approach. I pointed to the girl, asked mamasan to bring her to my table, asked her to go out with me, she accepted but with a lukewarm attitude. I think that girl was also very new (a different kind of issue). The experience was very bad. But to be clear, I don't actually blame her so much I blame myself for not maybe taking enough time to talk to the girl and figuring out if it is a good idea to barfine her. The problem with me is that I am not really good at all at chit chat in the bar. I am somewhat introvert I guess (though not shy). And I know that this is not about real attraction or anything. I am still a customer and she is the provider of a service. But to get back to the eye contact, I think that if the girl looks for my gaze and smiles then she is OK with the possibility of going out with me. I might be wrong (again I am not a veteran, I have only 5 pleasure trips on my "CV" so far) I do know that the best experience I had was in Thailand where a girl picked me from the onset and insisted that I would barfine her.

One thing I never did, is to go with a wingman. I only traveled solo. With a pal on the side, I suppose it is easier to taking one's time in the bar. Maybe next time.

[Golfinho]

I'd be a bit miffed if I bought a girl a drink only to find out she doesn't barfine (mens is one thing, but "I don't barfine" is deceptive practice). The bars have long used multiple tags (or ID's) on the girls uni. Some have been a different color or stamped with a "V". Possibly all non-barfining girls should have something that identifies them to the customers as drinks-only girls. Once again, feel free to not sit down, and feel free to ask the mama to point out all the girls that aren't barfine-able. No kidding, you won't get asked to leave. More to the point, and to save time (nobody cares about the $5, everyone cares about wasting his time), ask the mama which girls barfine and might match your needs, and let her point out some girls for you. If you're dying to by a LD, buy one for the mama the following night if her tip turned out well for you.

That's the only sure way. Waitresses are so absolutely useless that most of the time they can't even point out which ones are the cherry girls.

[Dg8787]

I'd be a bit miffed if I bought a girl a drink only to find out she doesn't barfine (mens is one thing, but "I don't barfine" is deceptive practice). The bars have long used multiple tags (or ID's) on the girls uni. Some have been a different color or stamped with a "V". Possibly all non-barfining girls should have something that identifies them to the customers as drinks-only girls. Once again, feel free to not sit down, and feel free to ask the mama to point out all the girls that aren't barfine-able. No kidding, you won't get asked to leave. More to the point, and to save time (nobody cares about the $5, everyone cares about wasting his time), ask the mama which girls barfine and might match your needs, and let her point out some girls for you. If you're dying to by a LD, buy one for the mama the following night if her tip turned out well for you.

Possibly some girls will say they are on their men's or don't barfine because during the "interview" they decided they really don't want to go with you. Ouch!

[WestCoast1]

Damn straight! That drink might have set you back 4 or 5 dollars.

I'd be a bit miffed if I bought a girl a drink only to find out she doesn't barfine (mens is one thing, but "I don't barfine" is deceptive practice). The bars have long used multiple tags (or ID's) on the girls uni. Some have been a different color or stamped with a "V". Possibly all non-barfining girls should have something that identifies them to the customers as drinks-only girls. Once again, feel free to not sit down, and feel free to ask the mama to point out all the girls that aren't barfine-able. No kidding, you won't get asked to leave. More to the point, and to save time (nobody cares about the $5, everyone cares about wasting his time), ask the mama which girls barfine and might match your needs, and let her point out some girls for you. If you're dying to by a LD, buy one for the mama the following night if her tip turned out well for you.

[Golfinho]

ow much the barfine was for the girl on the stage who. She does not barfine, only drink. I said what the fuck would I need to drink with her for? walked out. Must have beenwas only a myth. Glad I didn't buy any drinks before asking about the barfine!

Damn straight! That drink might have set you back 4 or 5 dollars.

[Mr Enternational]

The idea (ala ME) is to walk in, chat up any girl with intel on who will barfine right now, chat that girl, barfine and walk out the door. The longest part of the process is when the bargirl goes in the back to change her clothes.

When I was in AC a few weeks ago I went into that first club on the right with a new guy. Is it Atlantis or Dollhouse? Whatever it was, it was huge; like entering a theater to watch a play. Me and the other monger went and sat right at the stage. We ordered drinks for us and started pointing out the girls on the stage that we liked the best. The waitresses and dancers kept asking for drinks for themselves or their coworkers, but we kept telling them no. We were in there about an hour.

When we got ready to leave I asked someone how much the barfine was for the girl on the stage who appealed most to me. She was front and center and looked like a babydoll. After reading it many times on this forum I finally heard those dreaded words. She does not barfine, only drink. I said what the fuck would I need to drink with her for? I am here to fuck. Then we walked out. Must have been one of those chicks that someone pays monthly not to go out with guys. All this time I thought it was only a myth. Glad I didn't buy any drinks before asking about the barfine!

[WestCoast1]

I completely agree with you. I dislike the whole setup with ladies drinks, cherry girls, and hoes on the rag who will accept a drink but will not leave with you.

SNIP

Hence a major complaint of the Korean mongers is that they prearrange for the girls to leave en masse early in the evening thus depopulating the bar for the remaining Western customers. They have successfully reworked the traditional Western motif to their benefit.

What is up with this? Why do you need to make eye contact and if you can't then leave the place? Either go up to the girl or get one of the waitresses to get her for you. It is that simple.

I'm in agreement with Pomp and ME. You don't need to sit, you don't need to buy a drink. Ignore the waitress, or tell her "later maybe". You can walk right up and chat directly with girls on the stage (or those lounging about the place). You can ask them anything, discuss your needs. The bar 'game' of calling a girl (who may or may not be willing to barfine) to your table to share a LD, followed by calling another girl (who may or may not be willing to barfine) to your table to share a LD, and so on is designed to drag money from your wallet and into the bar's wallet. I'm not being cheap; there are times I actually want to have a drink in a bar (ie, to watch the floor show), but its certainly not to barfine. If I wanted to be cheap I'd stick to Perimeter bars (only one visit there). I also don't care to barhop, I find the bars themselves something to avoid spending my time in (cig smoke). The idea (ala ME) is to walk in, chat up any girl with intel on who will barfine right now, chat that girl, barfine and walk out the door. The longest part of the process is when the bargirl goes in the back to change her clothes.

OTOH, I also understand that playing the 'game' all night is what some gents love to do.

[Mr Enternational]

I was surprised to find that most girls I saw here were in fact to my taste. That being said, I ended up leaving Atlantis since I did not find a good way to make eye contact with the girls.

What is up with this? Why do you need to make eye contact and if you can't then leave the place? Either go up to the girl or get one of the waitresses to get her for you. It is that simple.

[Golfinho]

I completely agree with you. I dislike the whole setup with ladies drinks, cherry girls, and hoes on the rag who will accept a drink but will not leave with you.

Sounds like you prefer girls with numbers on them displayed in a fishbowl where they have to go with all comers. Can't you find that anywhere in Philippines, Angeles City?

[Member #4566]

To be honest, I wished this whole game could be played in a more straightforward manner. If I could bypass the bar thing I would be more than happier. I don't drink and couldn't care less for the bar shenanigans. If I could simply talk to the girl and have her in the hotel that would be much better. Of course, the bar serves a purpose to actually meet the person face to face but it is still too much work for just that. I would really prefer such hobby to be completely private but that's just me.

I completely agree with you. I dislike the whole setup with ladies drinks, cherry girls, and hoes on the rag who will accept a drink but will not leave with you. The bar / crypto bordello in AC seems to be drawn from a Western motif which was intended to attract the US GI's who were its first customers. It is like a modified pick-up bar at home. I believe that the word "mamasan," used for the hoe supervisor, was popularized after WWII when GI's who rotated to the PI from Japan used that term.

The East Asians, on the other hand, are used to the Geisha arrangement and its KTV derivative. They do not seem to be comfortable with the climate of posturing males in a bar competing for the favors of women. Hence a major complaint of the Korean mongers is that they prearrange for the girls to leave en masse early in the evening thus depopulating the bar for the remaining Western customers. They have successfully reworked the traditional Western motif to their benefit.

[ChaosErrant]

Just finished a 2 days visit to AC. From here I will go to Boracay for a more "socially approved" vacation style.

I have never submitted a report before but I think I should just in case someone might relate to me. If you check my post from Dec 2016 you will see that I have some special needs so to speak that make me probably a non-standard visitor to places like AC.

Back to the visit itself. I stayed at Queens Hotel which strikes a perfect balance for quality for the money. Last year I stayed at ABC and while the place has to be experienced once in your lifetime, I find the location problematic (far from the heart of the action). Queens is a nice, clean and safe place. The pool area is also very nice. The restaurant decent as well. Most importantly, it is very close to Walking street. I find this very important in AC. To me, the place is so horrible outside hotels and bars, that I want to minimize the distance I have to walk. In a way this place is really perfect to mix business and pleasure. Work from the computer during the day and have sex in the evening. There is really little else one can do outside the hotel and the bar.

During this visit I went to Club Atlantis, Angel Witch and Tropix (all close to Queens hotel). Atlantis is nice and big. Lots of girls and all quite good looking. I should say that I am attracted to average feminine bodies that is to say, I don't have strict limitations on taste except obesity and / or rough appearance. Compared to Soi Cowboy in Thailand (which is the only other place I visited for adult entertainment) I was surprised to find that most girls I saw here were in fact to my taste. That being said, I ended up leaving Atlantis since I did not find a good way to make eye contact with the girls. There are three levels there. The main level is crowded and noisy. The upper two levels are more relaxed but from there is difficult to make eye contact. IN fact mamasans use laser points to give clients to pinpoint the girls they may want to chat with. Judging from my last experience is better if the girl shows an interest first in talking to you since this may avoid the possibility of barfining a girl who accepts it for the money but otherwise resent being with you.

Angel Witch was kind of a letdown. It was true I was early (8 PM) but there were few girls on stage and this is the place where I saw actually about 2-3 girls with obesity problems. The final stop where I finally got to talk to and barfine the girl for the night was Tropix. I ended up spending the whole night with that girl on her own request (my original intention was just a short time) and have a nice experience.

I made it clear from the onset before barfining her that I was not going to have penetrative sex with her but everything else was on the table (see my earlier posts). This made her quite more relaxed and the evening / night went really well. I should say that there were still weird moments since at times I had on and off erections and she probably did not understood why I was not going to have regular sex. I think she even mentioned she was clean. Which means she probably thought I avoid full intercourse because I was worried of STD's. The fact of the matter, my psychological issue does not hinders erections completely. They may appear but then subside during intercourse due to anxiety. This makes, of course, the use of condom problematic. In any case, since I was clear from the beginning that I won't have regular sex, she did not make a fuss. I am certain she still wondered but not enough to prevent us having a good time.

To be honest, I wished this whole game could be played in a more straightforward manner. If I could bypass the bar thing I would be more than happier. I don't drink and couldn't care less for the bar shenanigans. If I could simply talk to the girl and have her in the hotel that would be much better. Of course, the bar serves a purpose to actually meet the person face to face but it is still too much work for just that. I would really prefer such hobby to be completely private but that's just me.

To summarize. Between Soi Cowboy and AC, I would choose AC hands down (more and better looking girls, slightly cheaper and better communication with the girls). I never tried Pattaya in Thailand. So I might try that sometime.

[BrainDrain]

I had some time to kill before my airport shuttle was ready to take me back to reality.

I have previously been pissed off with Vegas Massage and even the attitude of the girls sitting around the doorway convinced me that they are not worth a repeat try.

I've written previously about a nice service at Fantasy Massage on Perimeter. So I called in again without a booking.

Girls are nice and as per last time, they have a sense of humour and fun. On the table I received 40 minutes of legitimate relaxing massage. On the flip she politely asked if I wanted her to say Hello to my brother. Once this was agreed, she positioned herself on the table, between my legs and with her legs crossed. This allowed her to prop my legs on top of hers and she settled in to complete the next 15 minutes of service. Very professional.

Cleaned up and I was on my way back to my home country.

BD.

[SlutLuster]

Thanks for your input, and I understand where you are coming from. I just back from the Dominican Republic for the first time. I was forewarned on what to expect and there were no unpleasant surprises, as a result. I realized when I arrived, I would need to do things at a much slower pace, and not to expect immediate results. And sure enough, things didn't work like they were supposed to half the time. The WiFi in one hotel was weak and intermittent. The hot water in another hotel was non-existent. People were aggressively trying to hustle you, and cheat you in some cases. In other cases, people didn't give a fuck if you were supposed to be a paying customer. Despite all its warts, I became charmed by the DR, and its accepted the fact it is a different place, and probably shouldn't be compared with Colombia (where people are more conscientious and things work right about 80% of the time). I understand why so many ex-pats have embraced the place. And yes, the Dominican girls are definitely an acquired taste. But, it only took about 15 minutes in my hotel room for me to acquire it. Yes, I agree that you have to experience a place on its own terms to fully appreciate it.

But, my idea for a mongering index was a way for the person who has limited time and money (like most people), to determine where they should spend X amount of money and travel X number of hours in order to have a mongering experience. If you have lived in America, you will understand how difficult it can be to get time off (my trip to Thailand was postponed 8 months thanks to the indolence of a scheduling manager for my unit. She was interestingly enough, a Filipina, and like most Filipinas I have met in America, a horrible person.) Time off is a precious thing. However, I can say now that it was well worth the 26 hour flight, only to arrive in Bangkok two days later. And that is what I am trying to metricize. But, by no means make a all-encompassing rating on an entire culture. What we want to do here is help the monger judge what they get for the time and money expended for the trip.

Note that I made some trip reports while I was still in Thailand, and indicated that a few of the girls I engaged, were average in looks. This drew the ire of one BM who asked why I went all the way to Thailand if I wasn't going to screw the most beautiful women. I responded that they are more things of interest in Thailand besides the women. I pointed out that if I merely wanted to screw beautiful women, I could have done it cheaper and easier by flying down to Medellin. But, there are many things in Thailand that you won't find in Medellin (or the Western Hemisphere altogether). Hence, my proposed index tries to gauge a location on a variety of merits beyond the girls. Note that the actual sexual factors only make up 37% of the score. But, this can be tweaked..

Perhaps I just don't have a mathematical mind, but to say Angeles City was 10, Rio was 8, Cuba was 7, Mexico was 5-10 depending on which girl I was with, etc, doesn't seem that useful. What does that all mean? I know a lot of people hate the Philippines and I loved it. I enjoy beauty but find enthusiasm and passion in bed more important. I know my Rio trip was impacted by a low budget and not enough time to really get to know the place. I'd rather see people's summaries on how they viewed each place. Let me give you an example, and maybe people can chime in with their own.

I haven't mongered in a long time. My last trip was in 2006- so I doubt my scales would be relevant today. When I visited the Philippines in 2006 I had more fun than in any of the other places I've visited. I got help from a friend who introduced me to a fantastic girl and she was the apple of my eye for a whole great week, one of the most fun weeks of my life. Cuba was a fascinating sociological experience and it was just as interesting to see what Late Communism was like than to fuck the girl (although it was plenty interesting and she was gorgeous, too). I have this strange tendency to stick to one girl I really fancy which probably ruins my accounts for most people. I had a lot of fun in Rio and probably had the best sex and prettiest girls, but I got short on money very fast, in part because I did under-finance my trip. When I lived in Los Angeles I went to Mexico several times. By the time I realized I really liked one specific girl, she mysteriously vanished. Darn. Most of the other girls just went through the motions but there was one who really liked me. Loved the cost-effectiveness of going to Mexico. I could do the trip for a couple hundred dollars and get laid a few times for that.

For Cuba I had the specific question of what Communism was really like. Cuba has the most interesting and romantic appearance, the decaying buildings and ancient architecture had real charm even if the impact on the people is tragic. Rio was all giant condo-like buildings. Angeles has the nutty charm of the bars trying to outdo each other in their own special cheesy way. I almost got mugged in Rio but managed to escape. Everywhere else I had no problems at all.

I'd like to try Africa because it sounds like they have the most enthusiastic sexual people and at the lowest prices. On the other hand I think Colombian girls are probably the most sexually attractive to me. I love the accents. (There are lots of them in Miami but I've never been to Colombia.) My biggest problem is that I'm terrible at languages other than English. A big virtue of the Philippines is that they speak a really dumb-down, oversimplified version of something that's enough like English that I can understand it.

Nice trip down Memory Lane. Hope some of you guys enjoyed it. If you have suggestions as to where I should visit next, send me a PM or reply here.

[WazWallaby]

No need to BS a story. Just tell them right off that you want to fuck (unless telling the story is part of your own fantasy). Also I would settle on a price before telling them which hotel I was in. When they find out you can afford to stay at the most expensive place in town they will not mind charging you more to fuck.

P. S. Coming right over has nothing to do with mentioning LG!

Haha, you are right on every count!

[Omega 3]

Harry the Horse is a pseudonym for a long time New York expat who is the driving force behind the eponymous monthly newsletter. Harry is also the owner of the Blue Boar Inn which is an expat pool bar and hotel. You cannot claim expertise to Angeles's la dolce vita until you have paid a visit to the Blue Boar but it is hard to find. It is located out on perimeter road set back from the flat iron intersection when you go to the VFW. Incidentally, reading the newsletter is de rigeur for all Balibagaňos in the know.

I guess I got some of it wrong when I reported about Paul Atkins. I first read about it in Harry the Horse's November 2011 newsletter. Harry seems to say it happened sometime prior to 1:30 AM and the body was found near Garfield's.

Yes, "Jimmy the (D)". Once stayed at his stable many years ago. It was close to the VFW. Think Jimmy has been in declining health and sold HTH to a third party a couple of years ago?

As I recall, Atkins was a British tourist who, about 5 or 6 years ago, was found dead, reportedly in a dark alley with his wallet and other valuables missing. Of course, the perps were never found. Many expat killings in the Philippines are unsolved crimes.

About a decade earlier, a genial Australian businessman, Owen Dolan, who had lived and worked in Angeles for a couple of decades, was killed. At the time, Owen was the manager of the Phoenix Hotel. Before that, Owen had owned and run a bar adjacent to the Clarkton. Reportedly, Owen returned home one night from the Phoenix Hotel, and surprised 3 burglars, who stabbed him repeatedly. Owen was taken to a local hospital and, reportedly, seemed to be recovering and planning to return home when he suddenly took a turn for the worse and died in the hospital.

Inept (or non-existent) medical care is a leading cause of death worldwide. Angeles certainly has its share of inept doctors and lethal hospitals.

OM.

P.S. There was some thought at the time that the 3 burglars might not have been random, but might have been "hired". By the way, the price of a "hit" in Angeles is reportedly somewhere south of P5,000. It is generally prudent to be courteous and low profile. Of course, that doesn't help if you are in "the wrong place at the wrong time." See short story "Appointment in Samarra". Think it was penned by W. Somerset Maugham? There is a similar Chinese story. The gist of which is that, when it is your time, Death will not be denied.