Phnom Penh

[MayBee1632]

I agree with Rick, been there many times, and price fluctuates with your ability to haggle.

I don't post much here, as I don't get there as often as I like. On that note, will be in Siem Reap, Phnom Penh and maybe Sihanoukville. Have set up some dares already, but would like to meet up and have a beer with some members!

[Rick Rock]

In Cambodia and Vietnam if you don't know the going rate they will ask for whatever they think they can get from you.

There is no place called "massa" in Phnom Penh. That's the way Khmer people say massage. The place on Street 252 is called "252 Massage". There's even a big sign in front of the place in English.

The house fee at 252 Massage is $7. It's not 10 or 15, but if you volunteer they will gladly take the extra money. If you ask what the price is in English they will probably make something up based on what they think they can get from you.

Local guys, Chinese, Japanese and Western expats who speak the language pay 30-50 to the girls. Tourists pay whatever the girls can get out of them.

Other fish bowls in the city charge $6-8. Only one charges 10, and that's in Luxury World. But again, most places will ask whatever they think they can get out of people. That's how it works in this part of the world.

[ItIsMe83]

Nice report Titleist19!

I am going to Phnom first time late July / early August. Now I booked the Sun&Moon hotel. I saw it first on one of those 'girlfriendly hotel' websites. Got good review there so I checked tripdvisor etc. Where it got nice reviews as well plus I liked the rooms / and look of it all.

However I just saw one of the bangkok112 vids https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI7bfm2gCLI at 06:30 it states it's not girlfriendly and a 10 $ fee applies for a guest. Anyone stayed recently and can fill me in on it?

Looking forward to the visit.

[Titleist19]

I was in PP about 3 weeks ago for 2 nights, I did not have time to hit up everything but will report on what I did manage to see. I stayed at Vacation Boutique Hotel for about $35 USD per night, great hotel, really nice rooms and showers, the smoking room with a balcony came with robes and great air conditioning. The only drawback is there is no elevator so it is a bit of a pain getting up and down the stairs, but probably one of the best hotels I've stayed in for that price.

Day 1:

During the day I went to 2 fishbowl style massage places. First was Mean Haur hotel, located at the NW corner of intersection St. 122 and St. 221. I went at around 4 or 5 pm and there was about 18 girls to choose from. Viets have a green badge and Cambos have a red badge. There was only 1 Viet. The talent wasn't all that great, the majority of them older and they looked quite happy they had a customer as I was the only one there. I stood there for a few minutes but could not get excited about the lineup and left. You have to pay $10 for massage and then negotiate with the girl while in the room. Did not partake.

Went over to Massa 252, located NW of the Independence Monument on St 252. Here the lineup was similar to Mean Haur with a few Viets and the rest Cambos. Probably about 12 girls, but there were other customers around and seemed more popular than Mean Haur. I ended up taking a Cambo girl whose name escapes me. They charged $15 for massage, which I thought was pricey, rooms were quite basic but had a shower (or hose). In the room, massage was crap, and she offered extras. Asked me $80 for boom boom and $60 for a BJ. I quickly said no to those levels and it seemed she did not want to come down from her initial offer. I held me ground and low balled her for $20ST. We sat there for 30 minutes and could not come to an agreement, throughout all this I was playful and joking around with her, but I know prices aren't that high. After 30 mins of bargaining, which really just killed the mood, she finally came down to 40, which I still thought was really high but caved as it had been a long day. Honestly, if she didn't come down in price I was ready to just sit there to wind down my hour because it was raining. BBBJ was pretty good and we had a decent session (very tight) before heading to the showers. She was quite sexy and playful but for the life of me I can't remember her name. For those of you who said I paid too much, yes you are correct, how on earth you get girls for cheaper than that – I applaud you. 30 straight, no fun, minutes of bargaining. 30!

Hit up the bars on 104 at night. The best I found was Oscars as it had the best looking girls. In particular, Aka and Aga, cousins whom I bought drinks for. Aka was really hot and Aga was the cuter of the two, super super tiny, looked a little [CodeWord902]. I was chatting with Aka, and was introduced to her mother (who also works at the bar, I almost spit my drink out. The family affair will be a recurring theme. Played pool with the girls and after we sat down, found out that Aka does not barfine, and since I had showed so much interest in her, Aga wasn't quite as receptive. Again, my mistake as I should've immediately found out if Aka will BF. I've learned that if the girl isn't giving you a good vibe, than don't BF her no matter how good she looks. So I walked away empty handed. Went to a few more bars on 136 but nothing really noteworthy and retired.

Day2:

Hit up the markets and Golden Soriya mall. At GS mall, there's a few restaurants opposite a few of the girly bars where girls hang out during the day. Played pool with a few of them, generally just enjoying the relaxed atmosphere. The girl I was playing pool with, introduced me to her brother and we had a few games of pool. It was a bit odd as clearly I wasn't interested in the brother LOL. Around 7 pm I walked across the street to Plan be bar. 3 girls immediately latch onto me, all quite good looking and young. Turned to the best looking one and asked immediately if she BF'D and she said yes. OK you get a lady drink. Had a good time with her in the bar, playing pool, and joking around. Then it was bargain time. 45 minutes of bargaining! 45! I remained playful and all smiles the whole time, but she started out at $60ST and $100 LT, WTF. Thought PP was suppose to be cheap. My final bid was $35ST and $45 LT with a $5 tip if she was really fantastic. She debated this bid for like 15 minutes. Asked all the other girls in the bar if she should go with me LOL. In the end she accepted, thank god, it was a tug of war for a long time, its not exactly how I want things to start out. All the girls at the bar told me she never went for that low, no idea what to believe. Anyways, back in the room, we showered separately (no big deal) and I gave her a robe – a note on this, if your room has robes give her one, she'll really appreciate it as most of the girls are shy right out of the shower (in most SE Asian countries) and it'll really warm and soften her up, I've tried this tactic mongering across 5 cities and it never fails. She was total GFE and treated me really well. BBBJ and pretty much good with everything other than anal, no CIM though but didn't ask. Total sweetheart. Shot 4 x and she wanted to stay, seemed like she wanted to stay all day, but I had a flight to catch and had to kick her out at noon. Exchanged contact with her and she still messages me.

So my thoughts to wrap up. PP is a little hit and miss. Its wise to find out if the girl BF's quickly, even before you buy her a lady drink if you can. I felt like each place I went it was never a sure thing, so point and click folks may not like the scene. I wish I had another night to go check Pontoon club because I love picking up freelancers. One thing I did read was that Cambo girls don't like giving BJ's, but also read that its really cheap – this was opposite of what I found. I don't think I did particularly well at Massa ($40ST) but OK with the bargirl ($50 LT, 15 hours and 4 shots). Maybe others can chime in with prices, both girls were about 22 or 23.

[Axiata]

Question for veteran mongers: in these cases, have you ever witnessed what is called "reversion to the mean" in destinations you have visited? I am always reading reports about crackdowns, and MSM stories that report them after the fact. But, politicians come and go. And news gets old. And maybe the action moves elsewhere, though not always far. Sometimes nefarious activities are allowed to resume, albeit quietly. Some Vblogger made the comment that in Cambodia it is always one step forward followed another step backwards. Any attempt to make "progress" in one direction is eventually undermined by internal politics and things end up back to to the way they were. Comments?

I have not been back to China for a few years but my colleagues tell me that Maggies is back in action but super expensive compared to the past. Prices are over the top. Getting any p4 p action costs a lot in China these days so they do not bother and take trips to AC, PP and Pattaya. My understanding is that the KTV scene is also truly dead and buried and the only action up is via online. China is a thing of the past.

So I suspect that the reversion back is not going to happen there. I am sure over time PP will also become more sterile but how long that takes is anyone's guess. For now PP still has some cheap and very nice girls to sample.

Happy Hunting.

[Banana Boi]

In the local $3 massage places a lot of women will do FS for $10-30. Thirty is actually on the high side. $3 massage price included.

In the 5 fish bowl places including on the one on 252 often mentioned here the price is $30-40.

If you don't mind, can you be more specific on where these places are or the names of the places so I can Google map them. Is the place on 252 named 252 massage? Will be heading back to PP for my next Thailand Visa run. PM is fine as well. Thank you.

[Eszpresszo]

Yes. You can still find FS for low prices in Cambodia. In Phnom Penh most bargirls will go with you for 30 or 40 dollar + BF. Very easy to find massagegirl who come to your hotel after work for 20 or 30 dollar. No BF.

In Sihanoukville the same.

But of course if it is your first visit and the girls know that, they try to get more.

All this for LT. I never ask for ST.

Glad to hear these are prices for LT. But another question I have: where is there to monger at besides PP and Sihanoukville, where the pricing is more "local". Both have been cited as being very fun places. Siem Riep is said to be overpriced. I am expecting one would need to get off the beaten path and find out for himself, but I have to wonder if Cambodia has other destinations beyond the popular three cities I just mentioned.

[AskeAske]

In the local $3 massage places a lot of women will do FS for $10-30. Thirty is actually on the high side. $3 massage price included.

In the 5 fish bowl places including on the one on 252 often mentioned here the price is $30-40.

At Cyrcee price is $30, but there is a bar fine and cost of hotel to add on.

Of course these places aren't found on the Riverside and the women in them often start out by quoting high prices to foreigners. But these are the usual prices paid by most customers.

That would make sense since Buriram is home to many of the 1. 4 million ethnic Khmer in Thailand: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Khmer_people.

Yes. You can still find FS for low prices in Cambodia. In Phnom Penh most bargirls will go with you for 30 or 40 dollar + BF. Very easy to find massagegirl who come to your hotel after work for 20 or 30 dollar. No BF.

In Sihanoukville the same.

But of course if it is your first visit and the girls know that, they try to get more.

All this for LT. I never ask for ST.

[Rick Rock]

The times of the 10-20-30 dollar FS activities seem to be long gone by now. But as it is always fun in PP, I have to go back soon.

In the local $3 massage places a lot of women will do FS for $10-30. Thirty is actually on the high side. $3 massage price included.

In the 5 fish bowl places including on the one on 252 often mentioned here the price is $30-40.

At Cyrcee price is $30, but there is a bar fine and cost of hotel to add on.

Of course these places aren't found on the Riverside and the women in them often start out by quoting high prices to foreigners. But these are the usual prices paid by most customers.

The better looking girls with a different tan do not look very Thai, perhaps slightly like Buriram girls

That would make sense since Buriram is home to many of the 1. 4 million ethnic Khmer in Thailand: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Khmer_people.

[Eszpresszo]

Interesting to read about the demise of PP bars. I used to monger in Changping in its heydays and the crackdown ended that in a hurry. Was a place in its heyday with a lot of very pretty girls, heaps of KTVs and bars. Same in Beijing when Maggies bar was at its peak was the best bar for Mongolian girls. China is dead now for our hobby.

Question for veteran mongers: in these cases, have you ever witnessed what is called "reversion to the mean" in destinations you have visited? I am always reading reports about crackdowns, and MSM stories that report them after the fact. But, politicians come and go. And news gets old. And maybe the action moves elsewhere, though not always far. Sometimes nefarious activities are allowed to resume, albeit quietly. Some Vblogger made the comment that in Cambodia it is always one step forward followed another step backwards. Any attempt to make "progress" in one direction is eventually undermined by internal politics and things end up back to to the way they were. Comments?

[AskeAske]

Do any one know if Sarys Guesthouse is closed? It is on street 130, close to Loco Bar.

Their home page is closed and they are not on www.booking.com.

[Member #4698]

I recommend the Himawari, the Amanjaya Pancam, and the Sofitel in the 4 to 5 star girl friendly hotel category. The Himawari because I like their large rooms and great swimming pool. The Amanjaya because it is a real nice boutique hotel close to all the hostess bars and has very nice rooms with balconies and a touch of class, but sadly no pool. And the Sofitel because it is new and above the rest, but also the most expensive on this list.

I have stayed at the Himawari (deluxe suite w / bfst) for around $92 and the Amanjaya (Panoramic suite w / bfst) for $95. See if you can find rates like these on Agoda or Expedia. I have not stayed at the Sofitel Phnom Penh, but I did stay at the Sofitel Siem Reap and it was great, so one day I might just try the Sofitel Phnom for a change and a little bit of luxury. The best rate I have seen for the Phnom Sofitel was around $135. The only downside I see with this hotel besides the price is its location, but that might be an asset in disguise because it's location opens up new possibilities in Phnom Penh that you might not otherwise check out. Ha Ha. And besides its only a tuk tuk ride away from all the usual places you might want to go.

I can confirm that these 3 hotels above are all girl friendly most especially the Amanjaya. They don't bat an eye when you take a girl or girls up to your room. The Himawari security guy sometimes requests a girl's ID and sometimes he does not, but he was always cordial and respectful to me in either case and my girls were always allowed entry at no additional cost. Just book your reservation for two wherever you decide to stay.

Take note: a Hyatt Regency is under construction right across the street from the National Museum. Talk about the changing skyline of Phnom Penh. Wow - not good IMHO. But that high rise hotel will not be ready for occupancy until sometime in 2020.

[Pana Nyc]

What's up fellas looking to do Phnom Penh for 3 nights and I wanted to know what 4-5 Star hotels are girl friendly would anyone recommend out there?

[RonnieMonger]

It is OK by Cambo standards. Not the big selection it once had. Anything similar particularly with VN girls?

[Banana Boi]

Would not even sit in the bar leaning against me or even touching.

Hopefully you moved on quickly from her. Except for one horrible girl at Loco every single bar girl in PP will let you grope them to your desire and DFK them for a lady drink, at least from my experience. Bar 104 is one of the more tamer bars though.

45000 Riel = US$1.

4,000.

SIM bought at airport was a scam. I wanted just Data. It functioned in the airport but no where else that I noticed it working.

Metfone or bust.

I was getting on much more famously with the mamasan but she was too fat for me.

The mamasans at Bar 104 are pretty cool.