Kyiv

[YummyPL]

I have also lived long periods in Kiev LuisVega and you are right there are some inhabitants of Kiev full of cash or that own many flats, but that's a minority in comparison of the people living in Kiev. You are also right that some top notch girls are rich, but again, that's not the majority of girls in Kiev. Anyway that is his money, so he can throw it through the window. I hope the girl is a real 10.

A girl with huge boobs, a big ass, and a little bit fat would never be above a 5 in my book no matter how pretty she is. But the good thing is that we all have different tastes. I suspect such a girl is not in high demand in Kiev so the 30 K grivnas / mo is outrageous, but he can pay whatever he wants. I spent about 30 K dollars traveling with a girl over 2 years and I don't regret it on bit. It was a lot more fun than buying a new car.

[BobSmith1]

Hey bro,

You must be loaded. Imac pro and 30,000 a month. I got friends who own a few houses in SF and would not pay that kind of money. I heard that 9000 uah is average income there. Oh man I think its too late now with EU open doors for them, more and more people knows Kiev. This game is over. And as some said, they are not poor, they are just poor on paper. I see a lot more brand new range rovers than SF. The girls are the economic driving force for Kiev and that tells you how many people they scammed.

Hi gentlemen,

This is my first detailed report in this forum.

Sorry for this late report I promised before since I had to deal with the university stuff, and also sorry for my limited English in advance, but I will try my best to be understood.

I have been in Kiev twice, once in February and once in May, each time stayed their for about two weeks. During my first trip I tried internet for most of my time and not surprisingly found that most profiles were fake. The first time I called a girl who looks a super model on the page but a babushka in her 40's showed up. The second time, however, was an unexpected success. I browsed on that escort website again and texted to a number, asking if the girl shown on the website is available, and got a negative reply. However, she (an agent, obviously) said they have other girls working and then send their photos to me via WhatsApp. Around five girls in total as I remember, all looked ordinary and boring, but I was so horny that I picked one called Zanna anyway. Zanna later came to my hotel and when I saw her I was absolutely surprised -- she was so beautiful and in good shape, and definitely a lot more hotter than what appeared on the photo, when was absolutely beyond my wildest expectations. I got surprised further when she got undressed -- white and silky skin, big boobs (size F, the biggest I've seen in the real world LOL), also big ass. The only shortcoming is that she's just a little fat, but this is negligible since who would care about this if she has such big boobs and ass. Also a little fattish girls are to my personal taste..

[BlissDps]

They all tell the same lies. Oh, and they all say they're not like other girls. And if you accuse them, they'll say they're greatly offended. There must be some kind of online forum where girls learn to scam because they all say the exact same things.

Also be careful for the taxi scam which goes as follows:

A girl wants to date but lives in Borispol or even further away and she needs money for the Taxi. Uber or Uklon is not good as she had bad experience with that so she will ask 1000 grivna for the taxi.

Which is fine for 1 time, but knowing most girls just are available for shagging after 3 dates it will be an amount (3000 grivna) where you can better play on safe for by getting 2 x an escort for 1500.

Cheers!

[Jonathan Pine]

I just kicked a girl away after 2 days. She needed a Mac Book Pro blablabla, because then she could stay longer with me, as she had some course she could follow. I showed her my 500 $ laptop, and my IT company, and asked her why the hell she needs a MacBook pro while I can do professionally the most complicated tasks on my laptop which is 1/6th of her 3 k Macbook pro. Of course she didn't know what to answer "yes my friends say its good."

The worst ones are the ones who actually are looking for sponsors but say they are looking for a serious relationship and attack you with all their tricks and cheats.

They are not the worst ones.

The worst are the ones trying to scam money, period. The ones looking for sponsors would at least fulfil their part of the contract.

Yeah I also had someone said to me that she needed a computer to do school work and that she didn't have a computer.

I also had someone told me that she could no longer contact me because her cell phone was stolen. I happened to have a spare older iPhone. But she said her friend says iPhone 6 was better. At the time iPhone 6 was the latest.

They all tell the same lies. Oh, and they all say they're not like other girls. And if you accuse them, they'll say they're greatly offended. There must be some kind of online forum where girls learn to scam because they all say the exact same things.

[AntonySun1996]

Well, you are right, it might not be the best deal for me. She asked me for that amount and I agreed immediately. I didn't know much about the market and had no idea what amount would be fair. Maybe next time when I'm faced with the similar situation I would do some bargain. However that girl is really nice, with pretty face and big boobs. You can rarely see girls with that size of boobs in any part of the world even in Ukraine, so I did my best to keep her.

What a deal Anthony! I think your girl is going to get a high salary now. To rent a new 2 bedrooms apartment in the center or Petchersk, she needs around 15-20000 grivnas. With your 30000 grivnas you could have a harem of girls and not one. You are in the poorest country in Europe Anthony, a country that is equal to some poor countries in South America. Many people live in Kiev with 4-8000 UAH. How can you give her 30 000 UAH a month? And you are a young guy. I can't imagine when you will be old how much you are going to pay.

That's a good joke Anthony anyway. Nobody would pay that amount for a month....and for a computer for someone you barely know....Thanks for the good laugh....

[AntonySun1996]

You don't mention the name of the escort web site you used. That would be helpful.

My apologies. I forgot to mention. It was relaxportal. But be aware, most of the profiles are fake.

[BlissDps]

Anyway that is his money, so he can throw it through the window

Yes and No;.

If a bakery sells bread for 1 $ per bread, everyone pays the 1 $ but suddenly there comes an invasion of customers who just happily drop 50 $ for the same bread, the baker will likely consider to increase the price of a bread as he understood that his bread is even in demand if he's asking a higher price.

I hope the girl is a real 10.

He wrote according to his taste she was a 10+.

I personally would have my doubts "a bit fat, cup F hooters".

[Volpone]

Kiev is poor in the paper. All girl are richer than me and you especially the nice and beauty.

I live here long period know many people. All have lot of cash you cannot even imagine. The country is poor cause nobody pay taxes practically.

I have also lived long periods in Kiev LuisVega and you are right there are some inhabitants of Kiev full of cash or that own many flats, but that's a minority in comparison of the people living in Kiev. You are also right that some top notch girls are rich, but again, that's not the majority of girls in Kiev. Anyway that is his money, so he can throw it through the window. I hope the girl is a real 10.

[LuisVega11]

What a deal Anthony! I think your girl is going to get a high salary now. To rent a new 2 bedrooms apartment in the center or Petchersk, she needs around 15-20000 grivnas. With your 30000 grivnas you could have a harem of girls and not one. You are in the poorest country in Europe Anthony, a country that is equal to some poor countries in South America. Many people live in Kiev with 4-8000 UAH. How can you give her 30 000 UAH a month? And you are a young guy. I can't imagine when you will be old how much you are going to pay.

That's a good joke Anthony anyway. Nobody would pay that amount for a month....and for a computer for someone you barely know....Thanks for the good laugh....

Kiev is poor in the paper. All girl are richer than me and you especially the nice and beauty.

I live here long period know many people. All have lot of cash you cannot even imagine. The country is poor cause nobody pay taxes practically.

[BlissDps]

What a deal Anthony! I think your girl is going to get a high salary now. To rent a new 2 bedrooms apartment in the center or Petchersk, she needs around 15-20000 grivnas. With your 30000 grivnas you could have a harem of girls and not one. You are in the poorest country in Europe Anthony, a country that is equal to some poor countries in South America. Many people live in Kiev with 4-8000 UAH. How can you give her 30 000 UAH a month? And you are a young guy. I can't imagine when you will be old how much you are going to pay.

That's a good joke Anthony anyway. Nobody would pay that amount for a month....and for a computer for someone you barely know....Thanks for the good laugh....

I just kicked a girl away after 2 days. She needed a Mac Book Pro blablabla, because then she could stay longer with me, as she had some course she could follow. I showed her my 500 $ laptop, and my IT company, and asked her why the hell she needs a MacBook pro while I can do professionally the most complicated tasks on my laptop which is 1/6th of her 3 k Macbook pro. Of course she didn't know what to answer "yes my friends say its good."

The worst ones are the ones who actually are looking for sponsors but say they are looking for a serious relationship and attack you with all their tricks and cheats.

[Limarian]

You don't mention the name of the escort web site you used. That would be helpful.

[SanGaetano]

I agree with Volpone. Sounds like strange. Like a gold digger could be behind the post, but OK, just my unimportant opinion, no offense. The Problem with Captains SAH and suggar daddies is that, specially in Ukraine, they are becoming very frequent. Unfortunately for all other "normal's" mongers (aka the guys who just want that pussy, pay for the sex and then goodbye) who then meet such girls and they will be "expecting" the same kind of treatment. Sorry diggers, my salary is not that high.

What a deal Anthony! I think your girl is going to get a high salary now. To rent a new 2 bedrooms apartment in the center or Petchersk, she needs around 15-20000 grivnas. With your 30000 grivnas you could have a harem of girls and not one. You are in the poorest country in Europe Anthony, a country that is equal to some poor countries in South America. Many people live in Kiev with 4-8000 UAH. How can you give her 30 000 UAH a month? And you are a young guy. I can't imagine when you will be old how much you are going to pay.

That's a good joke Anthony anyway. Nobody would pay that amount for a month....and for a computer for someone you barely know....Thanks for the good laugh....

[Volpone]

Hi gentlemen,

During my second trip to Kiev in May, I bought a nice laptop to Zhanna as a gift which costed me about 3000 dollars. She was really happy and asked if I want to be her sponsor. I really liked her so we talked about sponsorship and made a deal of 30000 grivnas per month.

Anthony.

What a deal Anthony! I think your girl is going to get a high salary now. To rent a new 2 bedrooms apartment in the center or Petchersk, she needs around 15-20000 grivnas. With your 30000 grivnas you could have a harem of girls and not one. You are in the poorest country in Europe Anthony, a country that is equal to some poor countries in South America. Many people live in Kiev with 4-8000 UAH. How can you give her 30 000 UAH a month? And you are a young guy. I can't imagine when you will be old how much you are going to pay.

That's a good joke Anthony anyway. Nobody would pay that amount for a month....and for a computer for someone you barely know....Thanks for the good laugh....

[Tomek123]

Jonathan Pine,

Yes. But how can you prove it? You'll tell her-dear, I know that yesterday you sucked a member of a 45-year-old guy with a Lexus. You can not blame the girl without solid proofs. Also the girl can tell the sponsor that she has a permanent BF for relationships. To avoid ridiculous situations and phone calls. You underestimate the insidiousness and wit of women. My friend. Besides, today you have a regular guy. And tomorrow you quarrelled and parted. An ordinary situation for Ukraine or Russia. And you are a little lonely and free for a while. Looking for a new guy can last a month, maybe half a year. If you are demanding. And find a good guy in Ukraine is not very easy. The competition between the girls is high, because the guys are few Girls are more than boys. In Ukraine. And in Russia. Ukraine and Russia are women's countries. It's not China where men fight for every girl and pussy is valued.

A man in Europe and the United States is not appreciated.

Why? Because around you there are millions of guys and most of them have a job and a salary. So a beautiful girl in the US or Europe refers to a man as a piece of shit. In Ukraine and Russia there is no such concept popular in the United States as the word,loser, if you have not died at 37 years old from vodka or drugs in Ukraine then you are already a successful successful person. You have already achieved success because you are alive and do not lie under the gravestone in the cemetery.

While the guys in Ukraine love to change their girls and fuck other girls. Society refers to this as normal. If you are a man, then you can sometimes fuck another girl. I knew the story when a guy fucked his bride's sister and then fucked her best friend and wanted to fuck her several other girlfriends too.

Maybe in the US it would be the reason for the divorce. But she continues to live with this guy. If she throws this guy, then who will she find in his place? She will find about the same guy. So why then change the blue dog to a green crocodile? If the result is the same. Maybe she will find a guy who will not fuck all the women around. Yeah. But he will have other drawbacks. For example, drinking. Or a tendency to violence. Or to gambling. Better to live with a fucker than with a loodoman or boxer on Kitchen or narkoman.

And now you broke up with your boyfriend. Who did not have money. And who often drank beer for your money. This is often in Ukraine. It's a country of gigolos and parasites. So why do not you suck a few American or Turkish dicks until Do you have free time? I recently had a relationship with a girl in Kharkov. She was not ready to have sex with me. But I liked her beauty and the age of 18 years. I really wanted to fuck her and several times masturbating remembering her. She has a fantastic ass. And cool breasts. Its only drawback is a rude little male voice and a birthmark on her cheek. Then I offered her just oral sex and nothing more. No penetration into her pussy or anal.

She refused. But then she told me she was ready to give me oral sex but only in condom. I gave her 500 hryvnia. She earned about 20 bucks in about 15 minutes. She works in a supermarket. This is a small salary. About 4000 hryvnia per month. She came to my apartment. We drank coffee and talked a bit. Then I went to the shower and went naked. I rubbed her breast a little.

She massaged and masturbated my dick / Then she put on a condom and started sucking. I massaged her tits at this time. In 15 or 20 minutes I finished. She received 15% of her monthly salary for 20 minutes of work with her mouth! She could at home alone dressing a condom on a banana or cucumber and sucking it 20 minutes for fun. She did the same thing only instead of a cucumber or a banana it was my cock and she got for it 20 bucks!!

Twice she sucked my cock in the condom and twice she masturbated my cock until the end. One time I finished her on the chest.

20 minutes to suck latex condom without contact with male sperm. Just latex. All clean and sterile. And a little masturbate a man's hand. Get for it 500 hryvnia and go to a cafe with his boyfriend. Is it bad. It's absolutely easy money. This is not anal sex. It's fast and sterile. She's a good girl. But if she lives in such a poor country how can we blame her? How you can work and live for such scanty money. It's a meager salary for a person. We can not blame her and insult her. If a Swedish or Norwegian girl does so, then this is a completely different situation. Norvegia is a rich country. But how can we blame this poor girl / For her boyfriend 500 hryvnia is a lot of money. But for me it's not a lot of money. Why can not I help her? I'm cultured and polite.

[AntonySun1996]

Hi gentlemen,

This is my first detailed report in this forum.

Sorry for this late report I promised before since I had to deal with the university stuff, and also sorry for my limited English in advance, but I will try my best to be understood.

I have been in Kiev twice, once in February and once in May, each time stayed their for about two weeks. During my first trip I tried internet for most of my time and not surprisingly found that most profiles were fake. The first time I called a girl who looks a super model on the page but a babushka in her 40's showed up. The second time, however, was an unexpected success. I browsed on that escort website again and texted to a number, asking if the girl shown on the website is available, and got a negative reply. However, she (an agent, obviously) said they have other girls working and then send their photos to me via WhatsApp. Around five girls in total as I remember, all looked ordinary and boring, but I was so horny that I picked one called Zanna anyway. Zanna later came to my hotel and when I saw her I was absolutely surprised -- she was so beautiful and in good shape, and definitely a lot more hotter than what appeared on the photo, when was absolutely beyond my wildest expectations. I got surprised further when she got undressed -- white and silky skin, big boobs (size F, the biggest I've seen in the real world LOL), also big ass. The only shortcoming is that she's just a little fat, but this is negligible since who would care about this if she has such big boobs and ass. Also a little fattish girls are to my personal taste. So generally speaking she was an absolutely valid 10 to my eyes.

She is a university student in Kiev and speak only little English and I speak a little Russian, so with the help of google translate we could communicate quite well. She had a quite nice personality and smiled a lot. She was also quite educated and we even talked about poetry. I invited her to dinner and than came back to hotel. She stayed whole night for, I don't remember precisely, no more than 8000 grivnas. We fucked really hard. By the way, I'm young and not very experienced in sex, but she knew quite well how to guide me. An absolutely unforgettable night. For the remaining night in Kiev of that visit, she, of course, became my only choice.

During my second trip to Kiev in May, I bought a nice laptop to Zhanna as a gift which costed me about 3000 dollars. She was really happy and asked if I want to be her sponsor. I really liked her so we talked about sponsorship and made a deal of 30000 grivnas per month.

I also tried clubs just out of curiosity, because I've never been to any clubs before. Went to Rio which I knew from this site. Nothing interesting worth reporting. Watched strip dances, bribed a manager, chose a girl available to take out, 300 usd 3 hours, and that's all. That night I was tired and drunk and not really in the mood. And the girl looked not really hot once her walked out of the club. So after about half an hour I let her go.

Also tried some apartments mentioned by other members in this forum before as well as new ones that I found with the help of taxi drivers. In some places they have girls raged from 6 to 8 but in others the girls looked ugly or fat and just unfuckable. So it to a large extent depends on your luck. Prices were about 1000 to 2000 grv depending on the quality of the girl. Also when I walked on K street near Arena some guy approached and gave a card to me inviting me to his "salon", but I didn't try this.

So what I'm planning to do next is to visit Zhanna in Kiev more frequently and also invite her to my country. She is such a nice girl, I think I already fell in love with her.

So my advise would be as follows:

1. Pick a number on an escort website (but don't believe the photos, mostly fake).

2. Contact the agency behind the number.

3. Ask for real photos of their girls and choose one you like (if none of them is to your taste, move on and try again, you will find one).

4. Meet the girl.

5. If you really like the girl, hold her tight. You may like to consider sponsoring her if you are a frequent visitor to Ukraine, otherwise you may just try to get her personal contact and arrange another meeting when you visit Ukraine next time.

Please notice that the truly hot girls on the website ads under control of agencies are very little, but still exist. Don't get upset if you don't success in your first few times. All you need to do is to try more (and also a little good luck).

My humble opinions.

If you have any questions please ask.

Also many thanks and respect to fellow forum members who contribute to the forum and have helped me a lot.

Lastly I would like to apologise again for my limited English skills as English is not my native language. Hope you could understand me.

Good luck to you all!

Anthony.