Pattaya Reports

[Christian G]

Shame. I don't like 2 ladies. Is the den different to eden club?

The Den, Devil's Den and Eden Club are 3 differents club. Devil's Den and Eden Club very similar in the concept, The Den is a new afternoon GClub in soi chaiyapoon (move to Pattaya from BKK soi12).

The Den 400 baht room, 1.000 baht for the girl.

Devil's Den if you want 1 girl you have 2 choice: Nuru massage, or outcall service at your hotel. All info are listed on their website!

[MrManGuy]

2 ladies minimum. 4000 for 90 minutes, 4800 for 2 hours.

Shame. I don't like 2 ladies. Is the den different to eden club?

[Banana Boi]

I also believe that attitude is MUCH more important than looks.

This is why I like gogo girls. I get to watch them night after night and see how their attitudes are. I learn to know who is always happy and smiley, get to know their personalities, who turns ugly when they are rejected, who looks like they can party, etc.

[Hotman 666]

I learned something long ago: for me attitude and performance is twice as important as looks. I would rather have a 7 looks / 10 performer than a 10 looks / 7 performer. We are renting and not buying after all LOL. As always YMMV.

SL.

Sunlover,

I agree with you completely. For me a "girl next door" type who has the potential to be horny is much better than a "Super model star fish".

I also believe that attitude is MUCH more important than looks.

Enjoy,

Hotman.

[Banana Boi]

How much is ST at the den?

2 ladies minimum. 4000 for 90 minutes, 4800 for 2 hours.

[Mander]

Not sure why you repeatedly feel the need to criticize Devils Den. Most of their ladies look better in person when compared to their non-photoshopped pictures. And if you think Vicky is ugly I would really like to see where you draw the line on looks: http://devilsdenthailand.com/profiles/131/Vicky.html.

Given your FKK roots guessing you are looking for throwdown action. DD would have fit that bill. Have you ever been in their rooms? They have large beds, mirrors on the walls ...snip...

You are absolutely right to point me out on that. Sorry I didn't mean to criticize DD. In fact, my greatest regret in Pattaya is not trying DD out. There have been some posts here and other places that mentioned that while DD excels in performance / attitude, one shouldn't expect lookers there. Perhaps I would've found Vicky hot as hell.

Everyone has different pref/taste and while I respect the performance crowd, I'd rather have no sex than have sex with girls who are not hot or old. Call me vain and I do end up frustrated alot seeking for hot girls with great attitude/performance. But when the stars align and I'm at the right place right time, it's awesome and makes the hunt worth it for me.

[Sunlover2]

Well a lesson learned. If a girl shows a slightest hesitation or "modesty" in the bar, it's not because she's shy or modest. It's because she's going to flake out on you. I guess you can't have pretty young thing and performance / PSE together. I thought about going to Devil's Den and find an ugly girl to fuck in the ass, but it's 2:00 AM, I'm tired, and I'm heading out to Bangkok tomorrow. So my days at Pattaya comes to an unsatisfying end.

Not sure why you repeatedly feel the need to criticize Devils Den. Most of their ladies look better in person when compared to their non-photoshopped pictures. And if you think Vicky is ugly I would really like to see where you draw the line on looks: http://devilsdenthailand.com/profiles/131/Vicky.html.

Given your FKK roots guessing you are looking for throwdown action. DD would have fit that bill. Have you ever been in their rooms? They have large beds, mirrors on the walls and ceiling, porn playing on a large screen TV, suspended sex swings, and showers designed to hold a small crowd.

I learned something long ago: for me attitude and performance is twice as important as looks. I would rather have a 7 looks / 10 performer than a 10 looks / 7 performer. We are renting and not buying after all LOL. As always YMMV.

SL.

[MrManGuy]

How much is ST at the den?

[Uncle Volodya]

An option for those with nothing to do in the afternoon is the newest G-club, The Den, on Soi Chaiyapoon (aka Soi 25) and 3rd Road. Opens at 1 pm.

I really like the girl on the left in the red in pic 2 and the one in the black and white squared dress 4th from the right in the back row in pic 1.

Nice catch. The girl in the red in center of pic 1 is also worthy of further inspection.

[Banana Boi]

An option for those with nothing to do in the afternoon is the newest G-club, The Den, on Soi Chaiyapoon (aka Soi 25) and 3rd Road. Opens at 1 pm.

I really like the girl on the left in the red in pic 2 and the one in the black and white squared dress 4th from the right in the back row in pic 1.

[Mander]

I've been to FKK Sharks, Oase, and GT (Austria). You really can't beat the efficiency of FKK with little to no nagging, set price, and exact delivery anywhere in the world. You can browse girls, pick them up within 1 minute, and if you pay for X service, you fucking get X service. Great for 1 or 2 days of fun.

It really sucked that you still had to play the "game" in Agogo bars. I mean it might be like shooting fishes in a barrel, but you still had to pick the right girl, butter them up, build the right connection, and still not sure if they would deliver as promised or not.

If you like asian girls, like drinking, and love the thrill of the hunt (with training wheels), possibly build connections outside of bar, then Agogo bar is for you. If you are short on time, need a quick ROI and have zero social skill like me, then it may not work so well.

I did, however, impressed by the qualities of the girls than I expected. If you like PYT (pretty young thang), you can find them easily in a good agogo.

[Blanquiceleste]

...and like Natty I also prefer Asian girls looks and attitude wise to Caucasian girls.

For me this makes Thailand hard to beat. Maybe Vietnam (as I think VN girls are a little better looking and also amazing in the GFE department) if the scene was more open. But as things stand Thailand meets my preferences best.

IMHO there is no destination that matches up to LOS if one were to consider all parameters for a holiday or a long stay.

From a mongering perspective the range of options (BR, Soi 6, WS, Soapy, Oilies, Nightclubs, Bars, GoGos, Online), ease of availability, pricing, quality of services it is simply astounding. From an amenities perspective, ease of transportation, pricing and quality of hotels, range, quality and pricing of food, ease of availability of supplies (7/11, family mart, pharmacies, etc) there is no other place that scores as well on all parameters.

So for me, despite the restrictions we are hearing about, this place still tops the list. And I have a weakness for Thai girls (and Pinays, and Viets, and Indos and Chinese and. 5555).

[Uncle Volodya]

If STs with more Caucasian looking girls is your thing than there is no real reason to leave Germany and come to Thailand (though as BB points out times they are a changin' for the worst in Deutschland).

I like Thailand and SE Asia for the LT rent a girlfriend experience. Thai girls always deliver GFE (sometimes too much as they also give you the bad parts like jealousy and neediness-555) and like Natty I also prefer Asian girls looks and attitude wise to Caucasian girls. At the same time there is enough action that you can mix it up and supplement your LT / GFE diet with some ST action from a variety of venues (BR, SOi 6, Gogos, Ibar, Badoo, Wechat, TF etc).

For me this makes Thailand hard to beat. Maybe Vietnam (as I think VN girls are a little better looking and also amazing in the GFE department) if the scene was more open. But as things stand Thailand meets my preferences best.

[Banana Boi]

I planned my Pattaya trip because I heard it's where I can get sex-crazed hotties at a fraction of cost back at home. Reading many blogs describing where these 18 years old model-quality girls would throw themselves at you (a bit of exaggerations here. May be for Brad Pitt-like Farangs) and let you fuck you in all holes kinda set me up for a wrong expectations. <snip> Find the naughtiest Agogo girl instead of innocent / modest looking girls. The latter will flake out on you.

The key to success with a Thai girl is to make them feel comfortable and the ability to make them laugh. That's when you will get the most from a Thai girl. Asking them to do 3 somes or having 2 guys take turns banging them isn't in a Thai girl's repertoire. Yes, you will find them at Devil's Den but AFAIK don't expect girls who looks like your Sensations gogo girls.

There is no correlation on your success whether you take a naught looking girl or an innocent cutesy girl. Just depends on chemistry. Some on here will go with older more experienced girls because they've seen it all. I'm like yourself going for complete optiks.

Finding a girl you really enjoy spending many hours with on a 2-3 day trip is a very tough task. Lots of luck needs to be involved in that. Even though your girls weren't stellar I think you did well finding girls to do the things you wanted. I noticed you struck out with the shower for 2. Many girls will do this. You may want to ask beforehand next time. They almost all shower for 2 at G-clubs like Kinnaree and on Soi 6.

UH, very few guys on ISG will splurge on gogo girls like Mander did. I know bkkdog and myself are two who will. Most on ISG are looking for the 500-2000ST from a Beach Road FL to an iBar girl. There is no time limit on ST. If you have bad luck picking up a hustler then yes it can be 1 hour. However, if the chemistry is right it can extend well beyond 1 hour even if ST.

When I first switched from FKK's to Thailand I thought the same as you that it will be much cheaper. Definitely not the case since I am a gogo guy. It's not the same experience as sitting in a boring FKK club. I'm a bit younger than most. love House music, and still like to party so Thailand is the right choice for me. Before Thailand I wasn't even interested in Asian girls and my preference are German and Hungarian girls. German and Hungarians are still my preference but the gap has closed considerably since coming to Thailand. The top Thai girls are top girls in any race. Only time will tell how the new Germany laws will affect the number of nice younger girls who work. Not being able to sleep in the clubs overnight and having to register are 2 large hurdles. Then again, maybe FKK girls will go LT now looking for a place to crash overnight!

[Member #4698]

Thank you for all of your enlightening posts Mander. It seems that the hotties at the gogo bars are all charging you more than 100 Euro / ST after including their substantial bar fine of 1500 baht. I know many guys here report getting girls for much cheaper than this, but for those tourists only interested in the best looking girls at the gogo bars, I am forced to ask myself why I would travel all the way to Asia, only to end up paying more than I would for at an FKK, where the price for ST (1 hour) is only 100 Euros.

Since I'm already getting GFE from my FKK girls at 100 Euros / hour, I'm having a hard time justifying flying even further away to Asia, only to end up paying more than what I am paying now. The initial draw for me to Thailand was the possibility of getting the same services but at a substantial discount over what I am currently paying. But based on Mander's posts which reveal the current prices for top gogo girls, it sounds like that was all just a pipe dream, at least for the occasional tourist.

If more guys begin to think like you and decide to go elsewhere then economic theory would predict that aggregate demand will decline and cause prices to fall. Great! But there is one small fly in the ointment; I do not believe Caucasians and sub continent Asians are driving the price. It's the rather recent influx of north east Asian dudes from China, Korea, and Japan that are primarily responsible for driving up price and tolerating lower service quality and there is not a damn thing we can do about that.

I take note of your point of view; "the initial draw for me to Thailand was the possibility of getting the same services but at a substantial discount over what I am currently paying (in Germany). " So in your case I would say yes, forget abuut LOS and go somewhere else. But I have a different point of view: I prefer Asian girls (Thai, Indonesian, Khmer, Filipina, and Chinese) over Caucasian girls 10 to 1. So for me, there is no substitution. Well almost no substitution. I do like South American girls (Brazil, Columbia, Argentina, and Chile) too. 555.