Bangkok Reports

[Mogwai]

$700 for BF? When did that start?

Let me make sure of a few things.

Real kissing? Yep. DATY? Enthusiastic yes! No condom blow job? She doesn't understand. I create my own hand signals and demonstrate somehow and she nods yes.

Let's go! The less of these over priced drinks I have to buy the better!

Now I'm sure every long time poster here is ready to crucify me, for a number of different reasons; 'the old days" blah blah blah "Paying too much" blah blah blah.

If you tell us how much you paid then we are ready to crucify you, LOL!
(apart from the $700 BF but I suppose it was THB 700).

[SexInStl]

Back in town last night, I've set my goal at 20 for the 11 nights I'll be here.

Staying close to Nana Plaza (a 3 minute walk) I immediately head there, thinking, take your time. Go into a few places. Be picky. But I end up with the first girl I talk to in the first bar I go into.

That's what starving yourself of booty will do.

I stop in Lollipop. The first go go bar you come to and. I have to say, I'm pretty impressed with some of the lineup. I take it the theme is 'young' and most look that way. Though certainly 'legal'. In particular I see a very, very skinny girl, with large bolt-ONS, and a cute smile on a pretty face, accentuated by her braces.

I want that.

Let's get #1 out of the way.

$700 for BF? When did that start?

Let me make sure of a few things.

Real kissing? Yep. DATY? Enthusiastic yes! No condom blow job? She doesn't understand. I create my own hand signals and demonstrate somehow and she nods yes.

Let's go! The less of these over priced drinks I have to buy the better!

Now I'm sure every long time poster here is ready to crucify me, for a number of different reasons; 'the old days" blah blah blah "Paying too much" blah blah blah. It is what it is. I'll pay less the other 10 nights of my trip. Right now I want what I want, and THIS girl, gets enough business that she doesn't need to negotiate. She even tells me, no to LT. The only way this part of the market is going down in price is if business drys up badly. And compared to the month of May when I was here. It looks much more busy.

We decide to get a room across the way, even though my hotel is close by. I'm just ready to start. And she does not disappoint. For being young (she says 22, but looks 18, says she's only been doing this 'one month' Uh hunh.), she is quite skilled at what she does. If you like super skinny girls with big bolt-ONS, she is a 10. Soft tongue, sweet kisses, still with sensitive nipples on those big puppies, long silky black hair, and she loves to be given oral. Such a tiny little punami. Do all Thai girls have such small openings, or am I just somehow lucky enough to consistently pick them?

She is skilled at giving oral as well and soon I am ready to take her in a couple of positions. Her on top, then sitting, then missionary. Unfortunately when we get to doggie, the condom breaks inside of her. She's a bit freaked but I hadn't cum yet. Still. Need to go get checked. At least I stopped when I realized it had broken. These in-country condoms are too small. After washing up, she finishes me off orally, and lets me cum on her breasts. We talk a bit and I ask if she likes other girls and if she'the be up for three of us next time and she is very enthusiastic about that.

I walk her back (I can't remember her name, but I do plan to at least have a drink with her before I go, so I'll get it then) and go in to check out Bangkok Bunnies. Either all of the talent is checked out early or, I have to wonder what happened to this place? Lollipop had a much better selection.

[LaoMan]

I agree the ladies are not overly impressed with farangs who pick up the lingo especially those that insist on communicating with them in Thai. I feel they prefer that invisible protective barrier of we not understanding what they are talking about when they are chatting amongst themselves. They will be far more impressed and interested in your generosity and your respect for them.

I have never had that experience, in fact quite the contrary. When I talk Lao or Thai the girls find it cute and are very happy to communicate. Perhaps it depends on what you say and how you say it.

[Franciscass]

Believing Thai working girls are such prudes to label a customer simply asking for swallowing a psycho is naive. It is behavior that qualifies not sexual preferences. A customer trying to stick his tongue down her throat against her wishes or continuing banging her past the point where she is experiencing pain more particularly the nut job who enjoys this that's my definition of a psycho.

[EihTooms]

There were famous girls at Tulip who customers thought swallowed, but actually very stealthily got rid of the cum often without the customer knowing. LOL.

I also go by casual conservation with girls reluctantly working in porn star shops and reporting a high percentage of customers as somewhat psycho in their opinions. Does not mean they cannot accept the deal. Just I am aware a fairly high percentage of Thai girls are not considering cum swallowing to be normal nor providing it.

Some Tulip girls specifically told me that they don't do it, even though I never requested it. If you want a really strong GFE experience, sometimes the girl really needs to like your attitude and preferences (not only get money), so I try not to risk spoiling the girls opinion of me. I don't usually ask for things that I think might be a turn off for the girl, because I look for her to enjoy herself as far as possible, which somehow has a psychological effect on my enjoyment as well.

I collect regular girls that seem to be able to have a really good time on the bed. Each to their own way, of course.

The highlighting in bold is by me.

I don't think I have ever asked a girl, P4P or otherwise, about finishing a BJ with swallowing unless I had already felt the kind chemistry or keen interest to please from the girl of which you speak. That is practically a given for how and when to request special activities that would not generally be considered standard service. And I think most of us understand that. It isn't as though we're approaching a stranger in the shopping mall, tapping her on the shoulder and asking if she would swallow our cum. Of course we are talking about a situation where we have already established as fun and playfully sexy a connection as one can have under these circumstances and as I am sure you believe you establish with the ladies.

Which is one of the reasons the "psycho" reference doesn't really apply.

[Syzygies]

Sunday more than a week ago I was horny, having just returned to Thailand, however not one of my regular LINE girls was available. Checked out a few bars including, Crazy H, Shark, Billboard, Twister. Twister had the most girls with pretty face that day, however the girl I called for a drink seemed too shy and I did not get the right vibe. Later she asked for 4 K ST and 1 K BF. Ha ha! No way added to the poor vibe.

Approx. A week later went in Shark only. Kissy Patty with big tits had just returned fortunately. There was another gogo girl with big tits that looked acceptable (not hard coconut shells), also I found number 29 to be quite attractive with natural be cups, very good curves no sag, and Issan but pretty face. She would have been fine failing Patty. Also Coyote 348 was stunning. Face 8 and body at least 9 (can't see the covered tits however they looked large natural maybe). Later saw that some guy had BFed her. So the line up had improved. Forget what the Coyote BF is. I published that before.

[Syzygies]

Syzy, before an army of of ISG readers go marching out to ask their Thai girls these questions, I must point out that you changed the way I worded the quesitons in my earlier post and in a way that I suspect makes a significant difference. Particularly with Thai P4P girls, it might mean all the difference in the world.

I worded my questions "Will you?" but I think you provided translations for "Can you?" questions. At least, that is how you worded the English versions of them. I should have mentioned it earlier but I didn't catch it right away.

Of course, virtually every girl in the world "can" do the things I mentioned. Therefore, those are not very important questions in these situations. The key question, always, is "will" she do them for you. This is particularly pertinent to interactions with Thai P4P girls, who I have found tend to seize upon any opportunity to play word games in this regard in order to make the customer think she has agreed to something she has not; her saying "ok" in response to any question sexual or otherwise rather than a clear and unambiguous "yes" being the most common one in my experience.

Will you also provide the translations for "Will you?" do the things I mentioned rather than merely "Can you?" hehe

Thanks.

It is normal when requesting things in Thai language to ask "can you do something?" it is a request. If they answer "dai" meaning yes they can, it is essentially meaning they agree to give it. Thai maybe does not have the same semantical differences as English. Also it is unwise to assume that a basic English translation has exactly the same meaning or feel as the Thai words have. "dai mai" is the normal way to request someone to do something. You can regard it as meaning "can you?", "do you agree to?", not so much "are you capable of doing?" although could have this meaning in another context. "wai mai" means "are you physically up to doing something?" (not too exhausted or too sick to do it). Sometimes "dai mai" means "do I have permission to do something?". "bpen mai" means "do you know how to do" something?

If you asked a Thai, "will you", it is not a request, but more asking them to predict the future. The common answer then might be "naa ja tham" meaning "I probably should do it". No one can guarantee what will happen in the future.

If a Thai says they "will do something" the true meaning is they might do it. If they say they might do it, the true meaning is they probably will not do it. If they say they is no way they could possibly do it, they still might do it. Thais are just that unreliable. They typically exaggerate. So nothing they promise can be taken as 100% certain.

Feel free to check out my Thai translations with some girls to see if I got correct. I am very confident girls would not misunderstand if I asked them this way. I have 25 years experience since I started learning Thai. My Thai GF does not speak English and we have been together for 12 Years.

[Syzygies]

Have to say I have met an awful lot of Thai girls over the past 5 years or so dancing in go-go bars, freelancing in and out of the clubs, posting on the dating sites, working in restaurants and mall shops that apparently are quite alright having sex with "psychos" in this regard. Good lord, what must the girls think of the men who stand before a line up and ask for a show of hands if they are ready for a bit of ass licking/rimming and butt fucking? They must suspect those guys just killed a guard and escaped an Insane Asylum 90 minutes ahead of the arrival of the police.

There were famous girls at Tulip who customers thought swallowed, but actually very stealthily got rid of the cum often without the customer knowing. LOL.

I also go by casual conservation with girls reluctantly working in porn star shops and reporting a high percentage of customers as somewhat psycho in their opinions. Does not mean they cannot accept the deal. Just I am aware a fairly high percentage of Thai girls are not considering cum swallowing to be normal nor providing it.

Some Tulip girls specifically told me that they don't do it, even though I never requested it. If you want a really strong GFE experience, sometimes the girl really needs to like your attitude and preferences (not only get money), so I try not to risk spoiling the girls opinion of me. I don't usually ask for things that I think might be a turn off for the girl, because I look for her to enjoy herself as far as possible, which somehow has a psychological effect on my enjoyment as well.

I collect regular girls that seem to be able to have a really good time on the bed. Each to their own way, of course.

[Syzygies]

I was in crazy house a few nights ago and I noticed a few times that guys taking girls out seemed to be paying.

The moma san up front for the bar fine and the pay for the lady.

Is this the way it has to be in crazy house?

It depends. Well known customers like me never pay up front. I rarely even had to discuss the price with the girl. If a customer is not trusted to pay fairly or according to agreement reached, then girls who have been ripped off before may be scared can happen again, and may ask for payment up front. I don't like to pay suspect girls up front myself (I never do in bars so far). I prefer it when the price is not discussed giving me the option to decide what is fair after 2 hours of fabulous DFK fucking or an abort after 10 minutes with straight stiff legged dick scared girls, or somewhere in between.

I am not stingy. I pay well when it is deserved and I got a good reputation with mamasans and girls.

[Franciscass]

I agree the ladies are not overly impressed with farangs who pick up the lingo especially those that insist on communicating with them in Thai. I feel they prefer that invisible protective barrier of we not understanding what they are talking about when they are chatting amongst themselves. They will be far more impressed and interested in your generosity and your respect for them.

I do feel strongly that everybody needs to respect the culture of the country they are visiting no matter how odd or even difficult to understand. However in the p4 p world there should be no set rules on what you can ask for, what is available will be determined by the individual providers and all over the world no matter your preferences you will find somebody willing to provide them.

A lot gets written on the lack of sincerity of Thai working girls and their obsession on fleecing the farang. Yes of course it's there but I don't buy the argument that it's as all consuming and as pervasive as some suggest.

[Mr Enternational]

In my opinion members who say Thai girls consider certain requests as the behavior of a psycho (insane mad dangerous) are really showing what sexual practices they themselves consider not quite kosher.

A walk down Soi 6 in Pattaya will fix that. They will leave thinking those chicks are psycho, insane, mad, and dangerous.

[Playboy2001]

I think a perfect complementary example is when Indians who are "fresh off the boat" come to America. Even though they can speak English well, they are still very foreign and will be forever. They look, smell, talk different and all have an "Indian-ness" about them that will NEVER go away. Unlike Indians who were born and raised in America. So a falang can never, ever, ever actually be like a Thai unless they were actually bred in Thailand from a young age (there are none except half-breeds). The best that a real falang (like us) can do is become an imitator (trying to hard, turn off and also self deprecating), imitating at better levels. And yes, sticking to their original identity is far better. It's just a branding thing.

However, that doesn't mean learning Thai is a bad idea. It's like having the keys to the kingdom. You can communicate with everyone else sufficiently. Someone steals your shit in a market, you can call them out. So, just sticking to communication is best and avoiding the intricacies of Thai culture and the kind of Thai needed for real deep and meaningful pillow talk (as I think you are saying). It just won't work in a head-on manner as a white guy has that branding going for him, he should embrace it. Yes, trying to be Thai is over-the-top corny at best. Another thing about "proper branding" is that I was "getting it for free" from a hooker because she just wanted to show-off and make her friends envious that she had (another) falang gik (and / or she alluded to me sponsoring her since my condo looks nice). She basically came over about 20 x times, snapped photos and bragged to her friends back home (and hooker friends also, separate chats). Much better than posting pictures from her soapy / brothel since everyone knows what it looks like online. Stick with the falang branding, that's all Thai's understand. But do learn Thai for basic communication, but not Thai-level articulation / participation. It's actually a step down in appearances as it makes it look like the falang is trying too hard and has too much free time to learn a useless (in his home) language.

Lastly, different Thai women will "advise" against their falang gik / BF / husband / sponsor learning Thai for different reasons. One thing to note, they are NOT on your side, ever. They are on their families side first, and all the other hookers in Thailand side second (yes, they all take up for each other and have empathy for each other, like a common plight). They are only drawn to the money / status-symbol of having the falang brand. Heck Isaan women will brag about having a geriatric sugar daddy on their main facebook that their family / village sees. They don't want you to learn Thai, because it will disrupt their plans / manipulations more so than it will make their panties less wet. Women don't give direct advice / tips on how to turn them on, but they do give direct "advice / tips" with regards to manipulating falangs.

Is it not a kind of racist post against a particular community, which we should avoid IMHO on this common forum.

[Tomba1808]

I was in crazy house a few nights ago and I noticed a few times that guys taking girls out seemed to be paying.

The moma san up front for the bar fine and the pay for the lady.

Is this the way it has to be in crazy house?

[Soroche]

Well, I do believe one could argue that many if not most Thai girls are not used to having those questions or actions asked of them since it is contrary to their culture. To which I say, "So what?" Perhaps "Great!" is a better reaction.

While many of us fret over getting the wai just right, the this "khrup" or that "khrup" in there, not pointing our toes toward whatever, not touching a person's head in public and so on, embracing Thai culture too much is a big mistake for our purposes here imo. After living with and being married to a Bangkok born and raised Thai woman for 12+ years, visiting Thailand many times in the past and now having lived here full time for about 5 years, partaking sexually of literally hundreds of different Thai go-go dancers, bar girls, freelancers, regular non P4P dating girls and so on, it is my humble opinion that one never wants to lose his "Farang-ness" by trying to turn himself into some kind of imitation Thai man except one taller, with lighter skin and a bigger dick. That runs the risk of presenting these women with something they long ago found dull as dishwater about their Thai men and robs you of the very thing that stimulates and intrigues them into wanting to impress you with what they can and will do sexually. Yes, even more than the color of our skin, the size of our dicks, the bridge of our noses and the money we can pay them.

The money will certainly get you the basic standard Thai fare in the bedroom, no doubt about it. The kind of standard most Thai men are used to getting from their women. But it is your Farang-ness that will get you the enthusiastic bareback and/or BBBJ CIM (with or without Swallowing at the end) that is much more the standard in western culture. Because it is mercifully different from what they are used to. You see these girls jumping at the chance to be with Japanese guys? But you don't see those Japanese guys trying their best to come off as "Thai" for those girls, right? Hell no. They unabashedly and without apology maintain their Japanese ways and, shrewdly, expect the Thai girl they are with to get her shit together and accommodate them. That is not only much more interesting and intriguing to these females, it is generally a more masculine approach anyway and being more masculine almost always delivers more rewards from women than the alternative..

I have to commend you for putting together in one post all the experiences, observations and assumptions I have had over the past 10 years of living here but was unable to verbalize. I can confirm everything you wrote about from personal experience but it took many years to acquire that basic level of understanding with a fair amount of frustration and pain along the way.

[ParkVille]

You might even hear many Thai women say they would rather you not learn to speak Thai so well, just a few of the basics is fine. Well, I used to think that was because they didn't want us to overhear and understand what they were saying about us. LOL. That might be part of it. But I have since come to believe it is more because they really don't want us to "become" more Thai. It just doesn't look or feel right to them. And, more pertinent to our purposes here, it is not the least bit sexier to them. Trying to speak some of the basics is cute, charming and even sexy to them. You are trying, demonstrating courage in doing so and not afraid to make a mistake along the way. And that is also a very masculine trait. But rattling off reams of fluent Thai expressions and getting all the cultural behaviors right is not sexier to them. In fact, it more often than not can generate quite the opposite reaction.

I think a perfect complementary example is when Indians who are "fresh off the boat" come to America. Even though they can speak English well, they are still very foreign and will be forever. They look, smell, talk different and all have an "Indian-ness" about them that will NEVER go away. Unlike Indians who were born and raised in America. So a falang can never, ever, ever actually be like a Thai unless they were actually bred in Thailand from a young age (there are none except half-breeds). The best that a real falang (like us) can do is become an imitator (trying to hard, turn off and also self deprecating), imitating at better levels. And yes, sticking to their original identity is far better. It's just a branding thing.

However, that doesn't mean learning Thai is a bad idea. It's like having the keys to the kingdom. You can communicate with everyone else sufficiently. Someone steals your shit in a market, you can call them out. So, just sticking to communication is best and avoiding the intricacies of Thai culture and the kind of Thai needed for real deep and meaningful pillow talk (as I think you are saying). It just won't work in a head-on manner as a white guy has that branding going for him, he should embrace it. Yes, trying to be Thai is over-the-top corny at best. Another thing about "proper branding" is that I was "getting it for free" from a hooker because she just wanted to show-off and make her friends envious that she had (another) falang gik (and / or she alluded to me sponsoring her since my condo looks nice). She basically came over about 20 x times, snapped photos and bragged to her friends back home (and hooker friends also, separate chats). Much better than posting pictures from her soapy / brothel since everyone knows what it looks like online. Stick with the falang branding, that's all Thai's understand. But do learn Thai for basic communication, but not Thai-level articulation / participation. It's actually a step down in appearances as it makes it look like the falang is trying too hard and has too much free time to learn a useless (in his home) language.

Lastly, different Thai women will "advise" against their falang gik / BF / husband / sponsor learning Thai for different reasons. One thing to note, they are NOT on your side, ever. They are on their families side first, and all the other hookers in Thailand side second (yes, they all take up for each other and have empathy for each other, like a common plight). They are only drawn to the money / status-symbol of having the falang brand. Heck Isaan women will brag about having a geriatric sugar daddy on their main facebook that their family / village sees. They don't want you to learn Thai, because it will disrupt their plans / manipulations more so than it will make their panties less wet. Women don't give direct advice / tips on how to turn them on, but they do give direct "advice / tips" with regards to manipulating falangs.