Angeles City

[Soapy Smith]

Korea is probably the world's leader in prostitution. It is everywhere but good luck to all of you because it is virtually closed to Westerners. Why is this?

Many thoughtful points in your analysis, and in others' observations, but I dont necessarily agree that prostitution is everywhere in Korea. My sense is that as Korea achieves economic "progress," the society wants to clean up appearances, such as the barber pole businesses that were fronts for brothels. So perhaps prostitution is being restricted to a different, less visible, business model.

I have been taken a few times by Korean associates into the places where Westerners are usually excluded. You have to know where the specific bars and districts are. I got in only because my Korean associates convinced the managers to let me in. I will scrimp on details and just say that because of the way these businesses work, average Koreans can't afford them.

Koreans who visit them enter in groups. They go to a private karaoke room, where they are entertained by young women who also serve them food and drink, sometimes literally from the woman's hand to the man's mouth. If one of them likes the woman waiting on him, he negotiates to take her to a private room. Most of the women are young and attractive, some admit to being college students. These businesses typically have a hotel next door with rooms set aside for short-time use. The women I was with cleaned up quickly after the deed, gave me instructions about how to leave, and then left before I did. I presume they expected to return to one of the karaoke rooms to entertain other men. On several occasions one of my associates sent away the woman serving him and asked for another woman. Once he did this twice in the same karaoke room. I sensed that for Korean men, the dynamic was more about the beauty of the arm candy with whom they leave than about the potential quality of the sexual experience. It's almost as much about show as about sex.

It is because our civilization has had to come to terms with pluralism and theirs has not. What we call racism, they call normal. Further, it also arises from their innate inferiority complex. They fear that they will be unfavorably compared to you, "She has fucked a Westerner. Now she'll never be satisfied ".

Koreans are definitely culturally exclusionary, but they do not feel inferior to everybody. They want the cachet of things American, and for that reason (within some constraints) will hire Koreans with American and European university degrees ahead of their own degrees. But they do regard themselves as being ahead of some others in the pecking order, and, because they are so oriented to hierarchy, pecking order is very important. It's tied to Confucian thinking and historical subservience to the Emperor. They think that wisdom and authority originate in the same place--from above, and that means from King, father, or teacher. This creates a lot of social stability, because everybody buys into the same rules and people are generally reluctant to rock the boat. But it also makes them risk averse and resistant to change and innovation.

I recently had conversations with Koreans about specific innovations from Chile and Indonesia, respectively. Their response: "we consider these societies to be inferior." (So, you think you can't learn from a country that is inferior to yours?) It never occurs to them that maybe developing countries sometimes find solutions to critical problems out of necessity, and that these ideas might be worth considering in more developed countries in which the same problems exist--but are clouded by the complexity of other dynamics. Koreans learn from mimicry-- especially from the Japanese--rarely from their own critical thinking and experimentation.

Some have argued that Koreans are that way because they feel that Westerners are dirty and diseased and they do not want us defiling the women that they fuck.

Dirty and diseased may be one way to characterize it. Another explanation is that because of their highly structured and hierarchical social expectations, they are uncomfortable with societies like the U.S. with weaker social contexts, i.e., fewer hard rules and lots of deviation from norms. The idea of Koreans buying up bars in Angeles and imposing Korean structures in them makes perfect sense. Also, because of the economic class component of their models of prostitution, and because the process of procuring is a collective endeavor, maybe Koreans are less concerned about bargain hunting as are individual mongers from Western countries. That is, "cheap Charlie" doesn't cut it among Koreans when other countrymen are watching. It makes sense that Filipinas would respond favorably to that, but "100% rule"--that may depend on messages from bar owners and managers.

Some have argued that Koreans are that way because they feel that Westerners are dirty and diseased and they do not want us defiling the women that they fuck. If that is so, then why do they long to fuck Western women who for the most part aren't attracted to them because western women perceive them as nerds and wimps?

A few years ago somebody on the board described hearing this among men in Thailand or some such place. The locals described it as wanting to "ride the great white horse." It may be quite pervasive. It's a sort of bucket list thing, like aspiring to climb Mt. Everest, even among those of us with no realistic opportunity or skills to do so.

[Streetlooker]

1. They're younger, relate better, K Pop is THE hollywood of our western monger younger years.

2. Their English sucks worse than mine, so I feel smarter than them.

3. There's less drama, less boring. They don't make me laugh at their jokes.

4. If they fall in love, they don't test me with wanting freebies, they shower me with gifts, particularly cellphones.

5. They don't make me eat food with bread in it.

I am guessing this is from the girls perspective not yours. Points are valid however. I actually don't believe their way of mongering is a bad thing and I am getting to the point where I am taking Short time more over long and being content with it. I am however getting drama from some of my regulars thinking I look down at them for being a bargirl. I just adapting to the changing times sweetheart sorry. Koreans don; t consider them anything but fuckmeat. Westerners will give them some dignity and respect they desire but they seem to not see how valuable that is now a days. So I adapt to the koreans way of thinking Find fuck forget.

[Porker]

1. They're younger, relate better, K Pop is THE hollywood of our western monger younger years.

2. Their English sucks worse than mine, so I feel smarter than them.

3. There's less drama, less boring. They don't make me laugh at their jokes.

4. If they fall in love, they don't test me with wanting freebies, they shower me with gifts, particularly cellphones.

5. They don't make me eat food with bread in it.

[Streetlooker]

They don't want you fucking the women that they fuck. I have been making this very point on ISG for years.

Others have sought to explain why some Filipinas prefer Koreans. For example that urbane homme de monde GoodEnough has proffered this:

But this does not explain why these Filipinas completely eschew business with Westerners. It is more than a preference; it is a 100% per se rule. I may prefer Khmer girls to Viets. But I do not completely rule out liaisons with Viets. But that is exactly what these Filipinas do with Western men. Why? Because these Filipinas are groomed that way by the Koreans.

Korea is probably the world's leader in prostitution. It is everywhere but good luck to all of you because it is virtually closed to Westerners. Why is this? It is because our civilization has had to come to terms with pluralism and theirs has not. What we call racism, they call normal. Further, it also arises from their innate inferiority complex. They fear that they will be unfavorably compared to you, "She has fucked a Westerner. Now she'll never be satisfied ".

Some have argued that Koreans are that way because they feel that Westerners are dirty and diseased and they do not want us defiling the women that they fuck. If that is so, then why do they long to fuck Western women who for the most part aren't attracted to them because western women perceive them as nerds and wimps?

Its 100% true that the most popular red light areas in the country of Korea are totally isolated from any western consumers. I believe this to be the case In the 7 bar area right next to the clarkton hotel. These bars 5 yrs ago and back were some of the best bars to monger in. Now I can't even go into one of those places without feeling like a outcast. I get nothing but looks of indifference from the girls and stares from the many Koreans in the place that say what the fuck are you doing in here get out. A very unwelcoming environment. I sat in one just the other day and when I walked in I was not greeted by the Korean manager BUt I did notice that he greeted everyone else when they walked in (all Koreans). Another thing I noticed is about another all Korean bars color bar, cosplay, and leopard bars is that the door girls yell out to the Korean guys on the street but when I walk by nothing not even a smile. In 5 yrs the whole place will be Korea town its about 50 % there already. Funny thou I believe this to be a bad business decision on these Korean owners refusing the rest of the worlds MONEY and I believe that's why the bars are mostly empty now a days of westerners because they chose to take there money to Thailand or elsewhere. So thier take over might backfire on them eventually which I hope it does screw them. Another thing I notice is how people from other western countries do associate and socialize with each other and that the Koreans will not socialize with anyone outside their own kind. I even try to say Hello, to Korean Mangers of bars like Equis and Arcadia and they look at me like why the fuck you talking to me fuck off scumbag LOL.

[Psychman]

Korea is probably the world's leader in prostitution. It is everywhere but good luck to all of you because it is virtually closed to Westerners. Why is this? It is because our civilization has had to come to terms with pluralism and theirs has not.

Perfectly stated, and very, very true.

[Sxxxx]

Not much to do for next few hours might as well tap out some bits and pieces. Might help someone assess the AC situation as of now, October 2017. Subjective, naturally.

CPA flight Cebu Clark, some empty seats. Vans at Clark empty. Myself only passenger ex airport, in my particular van. Asked P400 pointed to board on wall, cause I wanted to pay 350. Four hundred it is.

My fav room available, surprised, never happen before. Always needed reservation. Maybe visitor numbers down = vacant rooms?

CPA Cebu charged 3,400 to Clark. Travel Agent AC charged 1,600 for return trip. Cebu CPA asked 24,000 pesos for manila Bangkok return. AC travel agent offered same return trip, admittedly different time frame, for 11,000 Pesos. Maybe CPA staff are on commission to charge foreigners crazy prices?

Renovation of Margarita Station mentioned before on ISG. I presumed it meant reno lower level restaurant area. Not so. Only kitchen reno'd, everything else the same (dowdy look / feel).

Trike drivers better behaved and not trying to rip off with prices. What happened? Luck so far, or is it Grab?

Sitting at a table at accom with one person, soon converged into 4 people and an 'advance' Christmas party. Only in the Phils. Friendly people, beat Thais in that respect (subjective / personal).

Walking St is buggered at Phillies end. 'Corruption' says one. That is, hot price quote from Contractor, corrupt official accepts. Contractor uses shoddy materials and cheap inexperienced labour. Official gets a kick back, road falls to pieces. Not many people walking in Walking St.

Ra nightclub getting more fucked with time. Was a leader before, now a loser. Kokomos perv spot at front row, still the same, elderly deviates (takes one to know one) in the main. I asked youngish guy sitting next to me "Whats the time" , he said "Apple". I said "No, I want to know the time". Funny, he told me time, and said "I wasnt boasting" , LOL. A fashion statement, if ever there was one. Apple (indeed). I had a watch, but my eyesight so bad, couldn't read the time. Lot more 8's and 9's in my life, now that my eyesight is deteriorating, LOL.

Continues to rain, but pooning does not stop for rain. Sad K's conspicuous by their absence. Or is it wishful thinking on my part?

I am worried bars will go out of biz, and angeles will fall out of favour with the p4 p girls. Must admit, over last 40 odd years, Angeles has always gone up and down, like a yo yo. One thing for sure, girls "more hungry" right now. When they jump to get me, they must be hungry!

This is one of my better trips for years, even though technically there are some negatives buzzing around. Still good. Purchase your ticket right now, before they change the No Smoking Rule. Reckon authorities might back track and charge bars a fee which allows patrons to smoke on their premises = more visitors and more revenue for local authorities (and more lung cancer).

Cheers, and beers. Angeles rocks!

[Rocinha]

I once had a bar girl explain to me that the reason she, and many of her co-workers prefer Koreans is that they finish so quickly, and then request the girls to leave. This means that some girls can garnish two or even three bar fines a night, and each fine requires very little work on their part. That's the most cogent, reasonable explanation I've heard. Who of us would not attempt to maximize his earnings in the easiest possible way?

GE.

It is a business after all and the girls need to make money. The reason why some Filipinas or Thais prefer Koreans and / or Japanese (apparent in places like the Viking bar on Walking Street or Thermae in Bangkok) was explained to me as three, three, three meaning three inches, three minutes and three thousand baht.

[Member #4566]

One waitress at Afterschool that I know for a long time pretty much spilled the beans and told me the truth. You can buy drinks for the girls and yourself but the girls are told by the Korean owners and managers that they are to cater too Koreans only.

They don't want you fucking the women that they fuck. I have been making this very point on ISG for years.

Others have sought to explain why some Filipinas prefer Koreans. For example that urbane homme de monde GoodEnough has proffered this:

I once had a bar girl explain to me that the reason she, and many of her co-workers prefer Koreans is that they finish so quickly, and then request the girls to leave. This means that some girls can garnish two or even three bar fines a night, and each fine requires very little work on their part. That's the most cogent, reasonable explanation I've heard. Who of us would not attempt to maximize his earnings in the easiest possible way?
GE.

But this does not explain why these Filipinas completely eschew business with Westerners. It is more than a preference; it is a 100% per se rule. I may prefer Khmer girls to Viets. But I do not completely rule out liaisons with Viets. But that is exactly what these Filipinas do with Western men. Why? Because these Filipinas are groomed that way by the Koreans.

Korea is probably the world's leader in prostitution. It is everywhere but good luck to all of you because it is virtually closed to Westerners. Why is this? It is because our civilization has had to come to terms with pluralism and theirs has not. What we call racism, they call normal. Further, it also arises from their innate inferiority complex. They fear that they will be unfavorably compared to you, "She has fucked a Westerner. Now she'll never be satisfied ".

Some have argued that Koreans are that way because they feel that Westerners are dirty and diseased and they do not want us defiling the women that they fuck. If that is so, then why do they long to fuck Western women who for the most part aren't attracted to them because western women perceive them as nerds and wimps?

[Hootas]

Hootas said himself that the girls he pulled did not match his criteria so he had to settle for less.

I probably wasn't clear before. I need to put the beer down before I write. The four girls I played with in my 24 hour window were all Tier 1's in my book. It just took a while for me to find them. In retrospect, made the hunt and eventual conquest that much more rewarding. .

Hootas.

[Sxxxx]

Yeh arrived angeles a few days ago.

Having a good time, but there are some negatives. Yep K business presence has grown further.

The no smoking in bars and the shoot and kill drug users incl. Marijuana smokers policies, seems to have kept significant number of mongers away = my regular bars of recent years are definitely not hiring same number of girls cause of the smaller clientele. Most have only half the girls on offer as before, one had at best one third of normal number of girls, another, not a regular, only had two, yes two girls working the stage. Even so, good time is being had by yours truly. The lemon I described above is turned into a lemonade, cause less guys competing = they will go with an old fossil like me, LOL.

Note: The downturn in mongers numbers includes K's. On a Friday night key time, only two K's and myself in one popular place, only one K, and myself in another. The girls do not have so many K's chasing after them right now. Time to pounce, LOL. K's are great smokers as you know, the no smoking rule must be affecting them big time.

Still good fun to be had in Angeles right now. Girls "hungry". Rains every day. No monsoon rains June to August, they say, now getting the monsoon rains. No flooding, no real impediment to mongering. Come on down.

[Member #4591]

Returned after a few years.

Immediate impression was airport terminal better. Run way still bad. Immigration rapid and customs cursory. Pick up now is a mafia rather than chaos. Wild orchid is the place. Room fine and air con works. No FL at bar and those across road ugly as hell. Walked to Fields and almost immediately had eye contact with a FL just past Kokomos. Invited her for a drink at WOR. Terms of engagement negotiated. All night for 2000. Bonus of 1000 if she can make me cum a third time. She smiled and said what are we waiting for? In room, she had long shower with me, scrubbing and cleaning. She also scraped the make up off herself, at my request. She was really very good and first pop CIM. Dinner at Padre Piccolo. Back at hotel, 10 min session bareback. Pop 2. Sleep. She wakes me up at 6 am with BBBJ. Henry would not rise. SHE gave me Vitamin V. Breakfast and coffee. Quick swim which doubled as a clean up. In the room, after 10 minutes, no cum although I could see her anus dilate when I was doing her doggie. She rolled out her secret weapon; anal. 5 minutes covered anal, still no cum. She put some oil on my bare cock and I did her anal bareback. Cum in 5 minutes with her moaning and screaming. She got her bonus.

As she was about to leave, she said I bring my friend, lady boy, very beautiful. 5000 for 2 of us. You can fuck as long as you can last. I said you show me your health check. She said I get both today. If you OK, 1000 extra. Apps me the ladyboy. Beautiful. After I had my teeth cleaned and my nails done, we had lunch at SM Mall. She pointed out FL to me. Some you never would guess. We went to clinic together, including me and ladyboy. I asked them for the HIV salivary rapid test. Have but 2000 pp each. I performed test myself (I know how to). Negative. That night, all variations tried. First time with ladyboy. Cum twice. 3000 each. Sent them off midnight. 4 am. Phone rings. Apps another beautiful girl. Fren of ladyboy. No luck at club and Hiso. 1000. I said I have to go to airport at 6 am. 2 minutes later, knock knock. Quick session after I took some vitamin V. 1500. Left for Manila airport 630 am but made it in time because it was Sunday. Car from Kokomos. 2700. Tip 300. Driver was a gun bearing security chap moonlighting. Call me next time. I get you great girls.

Got to love Angeles. 6 pops. GFE, even from ladyboy. I suggest if you plan LT of a few days, take girl to clinic yourself and get HIV test. Load her up with Ciprox or whatever they are using. Not fool proof but more reliable than a piece of paper.

Honestly I don't get the logic of this post. You insisted on an HIV test for both the lady and the ladyboy after you did the lady bareback in the pussy and the ass. At the end of your post, you go on about some drug being better than the HIV paper showing a negative result. However, I like your post and I don't think it will be deleted by admin because it's about an experience with a lady and a ladyboy, so the full focus of that post is not on the ladyboy. Like I said, a great post but a little confusing. Hope you had a great time in Manila. I too love the restaurants there.

[Streetlooker]

You can choose to go to Subic if you like, but I can't say that Angeles completely matches Streetlooker's observation. I was in Angeles 3-4 weeks ago and I only had 24 hrs to make some magic happen. I managed to bring back one girl from perimeter, 2 girls from fields, and if given more time, another from fields. I am confident more were available from perimeter, but I'm very picky and none of the girls matched my criteria. And for the record, I cannot be mistaken as being Korean.

My experience was so good during this last visit, I am already planning my next trip in January. My choice is already made, good luck with your's.

Hootas.

Its a buyers market when there are no customers in a bar full of working girls. You can still pull most girls from certain bars. BUT there is no denying the take over is in progress and its by design. The 7 bars by the clarkton Hotel are almost completely Korean only now. Fields ave is slowly turning into Korean town with many of the businesses having Korean owners. So many signs in Korean. One sign that really got my attention is one that is outside REDS Bar. Wanted Mamasan with with KOREAN TYPE dancers. I can only gues that they want the tall slim and whiter skinned type girls like the Koreans seem to prefer Hootas said himself that the girls he pulled did not match his criteria so he had to settle for less. The Koreans are pulling all the best girls for themselves and westerners are left with the scraps. Last night I visited almost every bar on fields and MOST were empty and this was between 9 pm and midnight on a Friday night. Its still a blast to come here But just be warned you will not be pulling the top end girls from the bar more then likely YES you might get lucky But you will have to settle for 1 a tier and 2nd tier if your not a Korean.

[Mr Enternational]

You are correct. What I should have said to the origional poster, was "stop being an asshole every other post. " Mr. E gets in pissing contests so often he must smell of uric acid.

Asshole? This is not my fucking forum. I do not give a damn what you post here. I was just trying to help the original poster not get an infraction by reminding him of the rules. Hell you should have been the one to do it. Didn't you get an infraction for posting about fucking ladyboys in the Pattaya thread? Seems like you would have let him know before anybody else because you have first hand experience with it. But I guess you would rather it stay up so you can beat off to it. It sure seems like you have a habit of following me around in different threads and trying to bad mouth and insult me. I don't feel alone though, because you are known to do the same to other members as well. Looks like you have a hard time taking your own advice.

Just choosing to stay out of the foolishness that I let myself get dragged into. Not sure why you feel the need to insult me, but that is your choice. Learning the value of blocking members- a great feature that I have never taken advantage of.

Fair enough about the name calling; I just through it was an especially silly post that smacked of "big man on campus" syndrome. Plus, there was need for him to do research; I provided plenty of context in my email to him. There was nothing random or creepy about it. A simple- I don't do that would have sufficed, not an email full of insults, and then, being called out in public. Regardless, I said my peace; thanks for saying yours.

I'm not on the Medellin board because you and your subhuman crony seem to monopolize it, and no good info is provided. Most who really know MDE don't post there.

[Psychman]

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[Chocha Monger]

The bars have been empty on most nights, I have been barhopping around almost nightly for the last 3 months. Mostly bored dancers sitting or standing up on stage bored out of there minds and more then likely worried where the money is going to come from since there are very few customers. The Korean bars are packed mostly everyday however going into one has a non Korean will get you a bad vibe with lots of stares like what are you doing in here? You don; t belong here, go away. One waitress at Afterschool that I know for a long time pretty much spilled the beans and told me the truth. You can buy drinks for the girls and yourself but the girls are told by the Korean owners and managers that they are to cater too Koreans only. NOW walking down Fields feels a lot like being in Korea itself with all the Korean signage on display. Fields is not very big But I say their are at least 10-12 Korean restaurants on it half the bars and a few of the hotels are also Korean catered and that, s by design for total town take over. Still fun here BUt it will cost you a bit more patience and money to have it.

The Koreans are not exactly having an easy time taking over and occupying Angeles City. They are having conflicts with the friendly natives, especially the fellas at Station 5. The number of Korean visitors and investors to the area plummeted by 50 percent after businessman Jee Ick Joo was abducted from his home in AC, then tortured and executed at national police headquarters. The Korean community also has its own criminal elements targeting their compatriots from the inside. Ironically, their practice of walling themselves off, excluding others and failing to develop communication skills with the Filipinos makes them attractive targets for criminals.

'All of us Koreans feel nervous and uncomfortable. Most tourists and investors feel nervous and uncomfortable also. There is a 50% decrease in tourists and investors here,' said Kim Ki Young, President of the Korean Community Association-Central Luzon.

According to Rappler:

Korean tourist Lee Ki Hun returned to the country earlier this week to file charges against 7 Angeles cops for illegally arresting him and two others and later robbing them of P300,000.

There are an estimated 20,000 Koreans in Central Luzon. Much of the investments of Koreans in the country are concentrated in the region. Large Korean companies include Hanjin Heavy Industries and Construction Philippines Incorporated in Subic Freeport, where Jee used to be an executive; and semiconductor company Phoenix that had earlier announced its plan to expand its manufacturing operations in Clark, Pampanga.

There were 96 Korean companies in Clark Freeport alone, as of 2015. Add to that the more than 150 Korean establishments in Angeles City, mostly restaurants that employ thousands of locals.

The Koreans are unlikely to see things improve anytime soon. If they keep throwing bundles of pesos from the balconies in the bars, the bar girls will talk about it outside the bar with the trike drivers and the word will get around that Koreans walk around with man purses stuffed with 1,000-pesos bills. Then some local fellas will decide that they want some of that free money they throw away.

Apparently, the Koreans are not paying the girls enough to forfeit bar fines from other visitors because both the quality and number of girls in the bars continue on a steady decline. Korean bar owners will have to pay a much bigger salary to recruit attractive bar girls and compensate them when they are required to turn down bar fine from non-Korean customers without being able to secure a bar fine from a Korean for the night. Otherwise, the girls will be forced to moonlight or find work at Manila bars where they can choose their customers regardless of nationality. In either case, it defeats Korean bar managers' attempts to maintain exclusivity. Besides, Koreans bar fine girls by the dozen from bars that are not exclusive to them. Therefore, excluding others is most likely an owner or management decision rather than a customer preference.