FKK Artemis - Berlin

[Pharisaer]

Thanks. I didn't know whether they did weekly or daily rota's or whether there's just no planning?

You're welcome. - It's the girls choice, day by day. No planning.

[Canary]

To be honest: No one's able to answer your question. - Fruit Logistica will start Feb 07, therefore you may expect a lot of girls normally. But, remember: the things have changed.

Thanks.

I didn't know whether they did weekly or daily rota's or whether there's just no planning?

P.S: had to Google about "Fruit Logistica" so I've learnt something!

[ExpatLover]

This maybe a strange question but I'm going to ask it anyway.

When would the Club know the LU for a particular day?

I'm planning on returning (subject to the new law not ruining things) on 4th February & would like to know if three particular girls will be working.

Nobody is able to give the LU of any club even the day before, you have to go and see, no other solution or you have the whatsapp from the girls you want to meet.

[Pharisaer]

When would the Club know the LU for a particular day? I'm planning on returning (subject to the new law not ruining things) on 4th February & would like to know if three particular girls will be working.

To be honest: No one's able to answer your question. - Fruit Logistica will start Feb 07, therefore you may expect a lot of girls normally. But, remember: the things have changed.

[Canary]

This maybe a strange question but I'm going to ask it anyway.

When would the Club know the LU for a particular day?

I'm planning on returning (subject to the new law not ruining things) on 4th February & would like to know if three particular girls will be working.

[KC Questor]

What do you mean about LU? Is it in good way or bad way?

Pretty sure he meant the lineup was bad compared to a few years ago.

[Mr Ho]

I was at Artemis the other day. LU far from what you could expect a few years ago. I had 3 sessions and they were all above average, but it took me some time to find the right girls. I only fuck girls with silicone boobs. It's funny that people always complain about too much silicone in Artemis. When I was there it was maximum 20% girls with fake tits.

One of the girls told me that a lot of the regulars were on holiday because of Christmas and New Year's.

I would still say that Artemis is worth a visit if you are in Berlin, but the good old days are being missed.

What do you mean about LU? Is it in good way or bad way?

I mean I stopped going in Artemis because line up and service became so bad. It lineup improved now?

[MagicM]

I was at Artemis the other day. LU far from what you could expect a few years ago. I had 3 sessions and they were all above average, but it took me some time to find the right girls. I only fuck girls with silicone boobs. It's funny that people always complain about too much silicone in Artemis. When I was there it was maximum 20% girls with fake tits.

One of the girls told me that a lot of the regulars were on holiday because of Christmas and New Year's.

I would still say that Artemis is worth a visit if you are in Berlin, but the good old days are being missed.

[Mr Ho]

What we have to remember is that when it comes to people, logic often does not rule the day! After all, we're humans not Vulcans. And humans are emotional beings. Those emotions normally lead to people doing illogical things. I mean, if a tute wants to earn the most money possible, and I would bet my own last dollar that the overwhelming number of them would say that they do, well then they wouldn't do things like turn somebody away based on race, color, or nationality. But we all know that some girls do that. Logic says take the money-making opportunity if making the most money possible is what you want to do. But then some emotion that comes from somewhere says I don't want to go with that type of guy, whatever the reason. So, it's all well and good to make it seem as though logic (take the money) drives a tute's choices in this. It sounds all nice and neat, but that's just not true. Human behavior is much, much more complex than that, often leading to irrational choices and behavior.

Consider the pricing structure at GT and the impact that has on tute behavior. Actually, I don't know if it's still true or not, but at GT the pricing structure was such that for a basic session it was 50 euros for the first half hour, then 25 euros for the second half hour, or 75 euros for an hour. Well, a lot of the girls didn't want to do hour-long sessions because they felt like they would be shorted 25 euros. They would rather do back-to-back hour long sessions with two different customers and make 100 euros on the hour versus stick with one customer for an hour and only make 75 euros.

GT changes the pricing of second half hour to 50 euro now, so it is 100 euro for one hour LOL.

[KC Questor]

I rarely ever approach a girl in a club.

I'm the same way. I know that if the girl approaches me it gives me the power to say no, without risk of rejection. I know that she is comfortable with my age and body type. And since girls talk among themselves, after a while they all know that I insist on BBBJ, and so they won't bother approaching me if they don't offer it.

[ExpatLover]

Depends on their mood, how much money they've already made, how busy the club is. The WGs could have been waiting for their regulars to arrive. Lots of guys go to Artemis to party together. Some WGs prefer to go with drunk or drugged out clients. They are in a good mood. They pay well and all the WG has to do is sit with them. Plus the guy will probably share drugs with the WG as well.

Also most of the Asian guys are not shaved and some of them Chinese, Japanese have small dick and some girls really dislike having air in their mouth, that is also a big reason why they refuse to session with them.

[ExpatLover]

Danny,

I managed to still get girl with decent behavior. The shocking thing for me was to see that few girls rejecting Asian guys. I can understand that they have a right to choose and decide, but the guys were looking decent and approached the girl in a decent way. I did not understand why few girls consistently said no to them. Curiosity was killing me, so I went and asked them, these guys said that they are first timers to the club, so there was no history for the girls to behave like this. I do not know if they have a blacklist of countries to say no. But I was not expecting it, and was disturbed by this. I do not know if this is same in other clubs.

Like I said, the girls are humans and have right to say no, but just not based on country of origin, that is racism.

Have they rejected guys from Japan, Korea or from Malaysia, India, it is not the same, some girls will never go with Indian guys or with black guys it is their choice, never forget that some Indian guys from the north will never married a Indian woman from the south of India. Some other girls will never go with a guy younger than 40 or older than 40, we choose the girl we want they also can choose their customer, it is as simple as that.

[McAdonis]

The shocking thing for me was to see that few girls rejecting Asian guys. I can understand that they have a right to choose and decide, but the guys were looking decent and approached the girl in a decent way. I did not understand why few girls consistently said no to them. Curiosity was killing me, so I went and asked them, these guys said that they are first timers to the club, so there was no history for the girls to behave like this.

Depends on their mood, how much money they've already made, how busy the club is. The WGs could have been waiting for their regulars to arrive. Lots of guys go to Artemis to party together. Some WGs prefer to go with drunk or drugged out clients. They are in a good mood. They pay well and all the WG has to do is sit with them. Plus the guy will probably share drugs with the WG as well.

[The Cane]

What you said logically makes sense of what girls in club want and why they are there. The logical explanation you gave is valid, but the girls seems to be applying this recently.

What we have to remember is that when it comes to people, logic often does not rule the day! After all, we're humans not Vulcans. And humans are emotional beings. Those emotions normally lead to people doing illogical things. I mean, if a tute wants to earn the most money possible, and I would bet my own last dollar that the overwhelming number of them would say that they do, well then they wouldn't do things like turn somebody away based on race, color, or nationality. But we all know that some girls do that. Logic says take the money-making opportunity if making the most money possible is what you want to do. But then some emotion that comes from somewhere says I don't want to go with that type of guy, whatever the reason. So, it's all well and good to make it seem as though logic (take the money) drives a tute's choices in this. It sounds all nice and neat, but that's just not true. Human behavior is much, much more complex than that, often leading to irrational choices and behavior.

Consider the pricing structure at GT and the impact that has on tute behavior. Actually, I don't know if it's still true or not, but at GT the pricing structure was such that for a basic session it was 50 euros for the first half hour, then 25 euros for the second half hour, or 75 euros for an hour. Well, a lot of the girls didn't want to do hour-long sessions because they felt like they would be shorted 25 euros. They would rather do back-to-back hour long sessions with two different customers and make 100 euros on the hour versus stick with one customer for an hour and only make 75 euros. Sounds logical. Right? Until you realize that most of these girls couldn't line up back-to-back sessions with different customers! Works great for a really popular, high-demand girl who is constantly going to the room. But most of the girls would spend a substantial amount of time leaning against the wall waiting for another trick! They weren't lining up back-to-backs, and in fact would have earned more money by making that extra 25 euros for the second half hour with the same customer versus waiting for an elusive opportunity to make 50 euros over a second half hour with another customer. If making the most money was what they desired, then that would have been the most logical thing to do. But no, they were making the choice to pass up that extra money-making opportunity all because their emotions were telling them I'm getting shorted 25 euros. Not seeing the forest for the trees due to emotions!

Now, I'm not saying that illogical tute choices are "wrong" per se. That's often a personal determination based on a particular set or facts or circumstances. The main point I'm trying to make is that although the girls obviously want to make a lot of money, because they are human beings just like everybody else, they will often make irrational, emotion-based decisions that actually limit their money-making opportunities versus expanding them. That's my central point. I remember I met one tute at Mainhattan years ago who didn't want to go with any married mongers. If you want to make the most money, then logic would say fuck the married guys too, who make up a significant part of the monger population. Thought to myself, "She won't last long". And she didn't either. But, at least I got to smash that pale, milk white, redhead ass! LOLOLOL!

[Danny227]

Well then, bye bye Artemis, there are so many other nicer clubs in Germany and if Germany is down, we can go to many nations next which offer same FKK set up.

True, I guess we'll see how it goes, sometimes there's still no choice.