Angeles City

[Indy Hundred]

...over the last few years in AC, an influx of European tourists with an appetite for LBs resulted in an explosion in their numbers on Fields Ave and Walking Street. Reports now indicate that they are misrepresenting themselves as girls to get into hapless mongers' rooms in the hopes of having their way with them with the lights turned off. That was something expected in Manila or Subic, not so much in AC.

Not surprised.

Last summer, I went into a salon in AC to get a manicure. The two manicurists were ladyboys. You could tell right away and they weren't hiding the fact. They told me stories of punters coming to Angeles just for LBs but would be very secretive about it. Australians drinking in the bars and then would sneak off with a LB and then return back to the bar and keep drinking with their mates. They also told me about how more and more punters wanted a LB and even stories of long-term relationships. One of them was being supported by long distance boyfriends who helped her with medical and hormonal treatments.

To each their own.

[Dg8787]

I witnessed more examples of bad service. I got a massage at an expensive place offering extras, and in each room, they have smoke detectors beeping (due to low battery). I took it off the ceiling and gave it to the receptionist. She acted like I did wrong. Who can relax with this bull crap? Then I went into another place, and they have the radio blasting, with commercials etc. Not relaxing at all, and bad business sense. At the end of the massage, when she asked about extras, I said what could we do. She said anything, including full service. I might of, but there were like 10 people out side the room eating dinner with laughter, loud talk etc. Yeah, I am to have sex with all that going on. It was hard enough having to walk past all of them after a HJ.

Also, the girls make most of their money off of tips for extra service. You would think they would give you a 'sensual massage' with ball tickling, grazing your ass etc etc to get you in the mood for extras. Few girls do this. It is like night and day from when the massage ends and the extras begin. And they often ask if you want 'extras' like they are asking if you want a foot massage. If they got you heated up, then it would flow naturally into extras.

I had a funny experience with a street walker massage girl. I brought her back to the room, and needed a shower. I am afraid of the girls stealing while I am in the shower, so I often have them sit on the toilet so I can keep an eye on them. I asked the girl to do this, and her english was bad, so I repeated it louder, and she did it, then when I was done with the shower, she said 'I want to go'. I said fine, good bye. I then saw her out on the street night after night, with no customers, as I took other girls near her for massage. She needs to toughen up and be able to take some direction if she is to make it in AC. How do you keep the girls from stealing while you are in the shower?

Don't leave anything out. Lock it up in the safe. Larger items can be padlocked in your suitcase. Keep your pants in the bathroom when you shower.

The girl must have thought that was some weird shit to have to sit there and watch you shower! Good thing she didn’t misunderstand you thinking that you wanted her to take a crap while you showered?

[Member #4530]

IMHO the only advantage the AC girls had over Thais is their GFE-style warmth and caring. Its gone. Now any expression of kindness is perceived as a vulnerability to exploit. The Filipina is gone from these girls.

[VicVeg]

I witnessed more examples of bad service. I got a massage at an expensive place offering extras, and in each room, they have smoke detectors beeping (due to low battery). I took it off the ceiling and gave it to the receptionist. She acted like I did wrong. Who can relax with this bull crap? Then I went into another place, and they have the radio blasting, with commercials etc. Not relaxing at all, and bad business sense. At the end of the massage, when she asked about extras, I said what could we do. She said anything, including full service. I might of, but there were like 10 people out side the room eating dinner with laughter, loud talk etc. Yeah, I am to have sex with all that going on. It was hard enough having to walk past all of them after a HJ.

Also, the girls make most of their money off of tips for extra service. You would think they would give you a 'sensual massage' with ball tickling, grazing your ass etc etc to get you in the mood for extras. Few girls do this. It is like night and day from when the massage ends and the extras begin. And they often ask if you want 'extras' like they are asking if you want a foot massage. If they got you heated up, then it would flow naturally into extras.

I had a funny experience with a street walker massage girl. I brought her back to the room, and needed a shower. I am afraid of the girls stealing while I am in the shower, so I often have them sit on the toilet so I can keep an eye on them. I asked the girl to do this, and her english was bad, so I repeated it louder, and she did it, then when I was done with the shower, she said 'I want to go'. I said fine, good bye. I then saw her out on the street night after night, with no customers, as I took other girls near her for massage. She needs to toughen up and be able to take some direction if she is to make it in AC. How do you keep the girls from stealing while you are in the shower?

[Engine Driver]

Spoke with some Korean guys in Viking last night who pretty much shared the same sentiment as us regarding the AC decline. One guy had a 50% runner rate. They were under the impression the Koreans were more susceptible to this and the girls don't pull that shit with westerners. I set him straight.

The AC bars are struggling to find girls, so everything is stacked in the girls' favour. The whole business model is fucked. If you pay the full amount upfront, there is little incentive for the girl to perform. Besides, a PHP 3,000 all inclusive fee (or PHP 1,800 at the Perimeter) is considered too small to warrant any sincerity, honesty, contractual obligation or customer service from the girls. They just don't care.

P. Burgos, Makati girls provide a much better quality of service as the payment is split. The bar fine is paid before take out and the girls' payment is made afterwards. Also, we are talking about prices which are 2-3 times that of AC, so that in itself produces some sort of moral obligation to perform.

[Member #4530]

Spoke with some Korean guys in Viking last night who pretty much shared the same sentiment as us regarding the AC decline. One guy had a 50% runner rate. They were under the impression the Koreans were more susceptible to this and the girls don't pull that shit with westerners. I set him straight.

[Chocha Monger]

Time to blow the referee's whistle and toss out the penalty flag for unnecessary softness. The bar girls have changed the game, soft punting no longer works. If fellas want to get what they pay for, they are going to have to play by the Revised Laws of Mongering. Have a hard dick and an even harder heart! Put the word out. Someone killed GFE in Angeles City and the girls are warm in the bar but cold and mean in the bedroom.

The minute you bar fine a chick, just take her up to your room and fuck her. Leave all that romantic shit, wining and dining etc till after you have had your first pop. Better still, save all that romantic stuff for your western girlfriend back home. Since you were away with the girl for 3-hours, you will not get much sympathy. Mamasan probably thought what was this guy doing for three hours without fucking her?

Correct! The mamasan was unsympathetic because he had enough time to fuck but blew it on romance. She probably thought that he could not get it up and was playing for more time. The bar girl probably thought he fell in love with her and was trying to replace her Pinoy boyfriend. The candlelight dinner and love songs just made her want to go home and give her real boyfriend her pussy. Flip hookers may act all sweet in the bar to convince the monger to pay bar fine. It does not mean they particularly like the monger. They expect him to take them directly to the room for a very hard fuck, get his two shots in, and send them on their way.

Many of them want to go to Hi-So with their friends and do a bit of freelancing to supplement their income from the bar. Others want to go fuck and sleep with their trike driver or security guard Pinoy boyfriends. They want money not love from old foreign mongers. Mongers are wasting time with the extensive ritual foreplay. It just frustrates the hookers and makes them angry because they want to get the job done. When a monger fills their guts up with hard to digest Flip beefsteak and wears them out on the dancefloor, they are too tired and lazy to fuck and suck him later. From their point of view, he is too demanding. Bar girls perform best when fucked hard on an empty stomach.

To add to the story, I was so pissed-off about the event that I went to Q-Bar later and BF'ed an older 30-year-old but attractive lady whom I was sure would make up for the earlier experience. Specified short time. I was pretty buzzed and agreed to buy her dinner at Chow King and then a little dancing at High Society. This gal was sweeter than candy and we danced until about 2 AM before heading back to the hotel. I even bought her some clothing on Fields Ave. Softened her up for what I was predicting to be the great fuck. We get back to the room and she plays star fish. No foreplay, no BJ, just laid there spread eagle and then played the "your too big for me" BS and I threw her out.

Days tally was about $120 USD gone and I never got layed.

Bar girls see your sweetness as weakness. When she asked you to feed her at Chow King, it was a softie test. You should have told her you were going to feed her some hard dick, salty nuts, and a few servings of baby gravy back in the room. The soft treatment you gave her just hardened her up. When she assumed the classic starfish pose, you should have started fucking to get into good form, then grabbed the back of her knees, and pushed them up to her ears. Once in that position you could concentrate your weight onto the back of her knees, so your dick goes deep in her chest, and hammer away at her cervix for a nice lively fuck.

Throwing her out was a reward for bad behavior. She will pull the same trick on other mongers, as it worked out very well for her. A 30-year-old bar girl saying that a dick is too big for her pussy is the funniest joke I have heard in a while. At that age, they have at least 3 or 4 kids and a few grandchildren. Most likely, her pussy was so bulwang (loose) and toneless that she was probably embarrassed you would notice it, so she did her best to discourage you.

[Dark Vader]

Hah! You and me both! I've fucked her a few times but she threw a hissy fit one time when I said that I wanted to keep the lights on and so she's off my list now.

LOL. I fucked the mamasan out of there when Central Park first opened back. Great GFE. I liked how she washed me in the shower like I was a new born baby. I gave her 1000. She had to sneak out so the other girls did not know she was coming with me.

[D Cups]

Jajaj what size were you trying to bolt on, Mr. E? I couldn't resist jajajajaj

I was trying to bolt on some tits..

[SaltyPete]

They do not walk (women don't walk around like they are trying to be a runway model), talk (their deep ass voices sound nothing like a woman's high-pitched voice), or even hold their handbags like a female. They constantly check the mirror to make sure they still look like a woman. They constantly mess with their hair, because if even 1 hair is out of place it would blow their cover.

My rule-of -thumb: If it is trying too hard to look like a girl, it probably isn't.

[Mr Enternational]

True unfortunately. The mamasans are extremely reluctant to give discounts or refunds. If you are with the girl for 4 hours or more it is highly unlikely you will see a refund. 40 minutes, maybe!

LOL. How many times have I said to pay after? If you pay after you don't have to worry about being at their mercy for a refund. But I guess guys are still scared to rock the boat, thinking it is carved in stone to pay before leaving the bar. They don't mind rocking your boat though when it comes to ripping you off.

[Mr Enternational]

Don't understand your comment. I knew girls who have hard small tits. Knew girls with really firm big tits. I knew some Asian girls with big heads, big feet, and strong. Farms girls and hobbit feet from working in the fields. I knew Western girls with square shoulders and solid muscles (athletes and martial artists) and hairier than I. They weren't on drugs. And I have not had a TS. I am pretty good with anatomy in that region. And, Asian TS are pretty good.

Size of tits have nothing to do with whether they appear real or not. My last year of high school I made a small ceramic Venus de Milo without the head. I didn't know shit about anatomy. I was trying to bolt on some tits. My art teacher (who was an older gay guy) schooled me that tits are contoured from under a woman's arm. In other words that shit all blends together. And even when a woman has a shirt on you can tell whether they match the body or not. Fake tits defy gravity. They sit up and stick out as if they are attached to wire frames.

Asian TS are not good at all. Maybe they can fool you on a picture (even then you can see the big ass head and the square jaw), but in person you know right off that they are dudes. I have listed all the telltale signs which also include their mannerisms. They do not walk (women don't walk around like they are trying to be a runway model), talk (their deep ass voices sound nothing like a woman's high-pitched voice), or even hold their handbags like a female. They constantly check the mirror to make sure they still look like a woman. They constantly mess with their hair, because if even 1 hair is out of place it would blow their cover. LOL. Seriously, you don't need to go looking for a dick to know that they are men. You don't think you would be able to tell EngineDriver's feet from your girlfriend's feet? I don't go 2 weeks without a pedicure, but you can still tell my feet from a chick's!

"It may surprise some folks, but women's feet are not just smaller versions of men's feet. Without stepping on any politically correct toes, there are actual physical differences in male and female foot structure. " http://footanklealliance.com/blog/lo...s-specialists/.

[Sammon]

Does anyone know if the bar girls have monthly quotas for LDs and for bar fines? Also, does their salary get cut if they're late for work? Has anyone seen a bar girls' pay slip?

I doubt if there is a hard and fast rule. If so all the ugly girls would be out. These days bars are hard pressed to stock up the bars with girls. They need min three rotations of at least 8-10 girls to keep functioning.

[PBtoCobra]

Does anyone know if the bar girls have monthly quotas for LDs and for bar fines? Also, does their salary get cut if they're late for work? Has anyone seen a bar girls' pay slip?

In my experience of getting to know some BGs in SG, they do have weekly and monthly targets for LDs, they call it points and they do need to hit a certain target in a week. Otherwise the girls just sit there all night on their phones or chat!

[Mogwai]

AC girls are not impressed by steak dinners or plush air-conditioned rooms with comfy beds. These girls are used to eating rice and sleeping on the floor.

I concur (generally speaking anyway, as there are always exceptions). Most girls don't like the air conditioning. They find it too cold. Hell, some of them don't even like ventilators pointed at the bed at night.

And one of my regulars complained that her back was hurting from sleeping in my hotel bed. It was too soft she said. Actually the beds are quite hard in the Pacific Breeze, but she is used to sleeping on a mat on a concrete floor.